HG: In relation to this meme, no. 166 and ‘contrariwise’, which I’ve just read, many of these tactics obviously cause excessive frustration in your victims. They are trying to establish something, an agreement, a fact, a simple ‘yes/no’ answer etc. Whatever it is, you won’t give that to them.
What has been the range of responses you’ve had from your women when you do this to them?
I imagine the frustration you cause in them would eventually cause them to scream out “arrrrrgggghhhh” or lose control. Have you ever pushed any of them to the point where any of them have ‘gone at you’, trying to attack you?
Following on from my original question, I have another. You deny you ever use violence against women, because it’s beneath you etc. Why do you believe that? Is it because society holds it to be a grave wrong, and therefore you’d have image management issues? Or something else? Do you yourself believe male violence against women is wrong, and if so, why?
It is the hallmark of the Lesser and I am not a Lesser. I will use physical violence but not against women.
I recognise that violence is considered wrong but often it is necessary to achieve an aim.
It is too easy to strike a woman and it also leaves evidence. I am above that.
Conversing?
A conversation infers an exchange, and thats where Empaths are mislead. Most Ns do not want your input or care about your opinion. Just your reaction to their MONOLOGUE.
This was the absolute worse and most frustrating thing. We went to counseling to “communicate” better… It really is absolute insanity to me. I couldn’t believe when I started researching a narc that this was a common trait, couldn’t believe people actually knew exactly what I was talking about!
It is often done instinctively and as a consequence of you challenging our control through interrogating us, trying to make us accountable or challenging us in some way. Thus, with most of our kind what will be going through their minds is irritation and annoyance at your behaviour. With the greater there will also be satisfaction in leading you on a merry dance and from controlling you in this way.
There’s so much power in being able to say, “I was wrong. I totally got that wrong and you were right.”
I’m sure one of those higher narc’o’paths would be able to say those words to manipulate, but I’d put money on the majority of run-of-the-mill narcs not being able to say that.
Thanks
Oh I see, it’s like a distraction technique in a way, B.S. ing someone by saying things that dont make sense, again and again , even though the point has been disproven or dismissed.
I had to referee my parents on this all the time. They both would try to get me on their side. Whoever I chose wins and the other one hates me and tells me im just like the one I sided with. So I learned to try to mediate to make everyone happy! Then people wonder why I am outgoing and try to broker everyone’s happiness. I was a trained negotiator from birth.
HG, Do you think it’s rare to have 2 narc parents?
Do you mean if you try to lead me in a circular conversation? If so I will just shift to a different manipulation there and then or disengage and punish you later for being a treacherous sod.
He would say his words were his biggest weapon and were they! It was like talking in circles, words would get twisted, turned around, used against me.. such a mind fuck at times.
No matter what I said I couldn’t win and was always wrong.
Our conversations made my head spin.
It’s a never ending story and the only way I’m now winning is NC.
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HG: In relation to this meme, no. 166 and ‘contrariwise’, which I’ve just read, many of these tactics obviously cause excessive frustration in your victims. They are trying to establish something, an agreement, a fact, a simple ‘yes/no’ answer etc. Whatever it is, you won’t give that to them.
What has been the range of responses you’ve had from your women when you do this to them?
I imagine the frustration you cause in them would eventually cause them to scream out “arrrrrgggghhhh” or lose control. Have you ever pushed any of them to the point where any of them have ‘gone at you’, trying to attack you?
poke
Following on from my original question, I have another. You deny you ever use violence against women, because it’s beneath you etc. Why do you believe that? Is it because society holds it to be a grave wrong, and therefore you’d have image management issues? Or something else? Do you yourself believe male violence against women is wrong, and if so, why?
It is the hallmark of the Lesser and I am not a Lesser. I will use physical violence but not against women.
I recognise that violence is considered wrong but often it is necessary to achieve an aim.
It is too easy to strike a woman and it also leaves evidence. I am above that.
You are like my ex
Frustration, irritation and anger. They know better than to try and attack me. It would not end well for them.
Ha ha. Omg. So so true .
Conversing?
A conversation infers an exchange, and thats where Empaths are mislead. Most Ns do not want your input or care about your opinion. Just your reaction to their MONOLOGUE.
Be quiet over there and listen to me!
Ha ha
This was the absolute worse and most frustrating thing. We went to counseling to “communicate” better… It really is absolute insanity to me. I couldn’t believe when I started researching a narc that this was a common trait, couldn’t believe people actually knew exactly what I was talking about!
I know. Opens up a world. They are textbook
May I ask what is going on in your mind when you do this to someone?
It is often done instinctively and as a consequence of you challenging our control through interrogating us, trying to make us accountable or challenging us in some way. Thus, with most of our kind what will be going through their minds is irritation and annoyance at your behaviour. With the greater there will also be satisfaction in leading you on a merry dance and from controlling you in this way.
Or protecting that fragile ego.
There’s so much power in being able to say, “I was wrong. I totally got that wrong and you were right.”
I’m sure one of those higher narc’o’paths would be able to say those words to manipulate, but I’d put money on the majority of run-of-the-mill narcs not being able to say that.
Thanks
Oh I see, it’s like a distraction technique in a way, B.S. ing someone by saying things that dont make sense, again and again , even though the point has been disproven or dismissed.
I had to referee my parents on this all the time. They both would try to get me on their side. Whoever I chose wins and the other one hates me and tells me im just like the one I sided with. So I learned to try to mediate to make everyone happy! Then people wonder why I am outgoing and try to broker everyone’s happiness. I was a trained negotiator from birth.
HG, Do you think it’s rare to have 2 narc parents?
I do.
What?! 🙁
I really hit the jackpot with the narcs in my life …
And when we have circular conversations back with you joining in and gaining fuel from your frustrations……… how does that make you feel ?
Do you mean if you try to lead me in a circular conversation? If so I will just shift to a different manipulation there and then or disengage and punish you later for being a treacherous sod.
Hahahhaha the fun you can have playing an N at his own games……….
All taught to me by the master of course 🙂
Any punishments which come my way are……..
………definitely bloody worth it !
Submission is the only option Alexis.
You know that will never happen HG. Unless it was an appropriate time and place of course.
No submission! Fight to the last! With my last ragged breath I would defy you…..
I admire your spirit, futile as it is.
Now I am even more defiant.
I swear I’m going to get myself killed one day.
Another fantastic meme.
Yep never get straight answers, just go round in circles.
He would say his words were his biggest weapon and were they! It was like talking in circles, words would get twisted, turned around, used against me.. such a mind fuck at times.
So very frustrating. It’s crazy-making behaviour. Yet if you show your frustration, you are the crazy one, apparently.
It really is them, not you.
Drop the tug-of-war rope, and walk away. Don’t look back.
Preach it sister.
No matter what I said I couldn’t win and was always wrong.
Our conversations made my head spin.
It’s a never ending story and the only way I’m now winning is NC.
No, YOU were the one making people’s heads spin.
(just kidding)