The Greater Narcissist – 5 Facts
The five central questions have been applied in respect if the Lesser and Mid-Range of our kind, but what of the Greater Narcissist? How do these five essential questions about the behaviour of the narcissist apply to him or her?
1.Do We Know What We Are Doing?
The Greater Narcissist is gifted (though of course his or her victims will not regard it as such) with an awareness of what he or she is. The greater of our kind knows that they are different. They know that they have this insatiable hunger for the outpouring of emotion, whether positive or negative, from those around them. The greater knows that there is a feeling of emptiness which pervades. Whilst the lesser has this manifest as sense of unease and irritation, the greater feels a yawning chasm which must be filled. The lesser operates by instinct, a knee-jerk response. The Greater Narcissist also operates through instinct but there is nothing knee jerk about him or her. This instinct is attuned in the sense of selecting the victims who will haemorrhage fuel. This instinct enables the most effective seduction, the most devastating devaluation and the most callous of discards. The instinct for scenting fuel and those who will provide it serves the Greater Narcissist considerably. He has an instinctive knack for selecting the best hunting grounds, an innate ability to target the most productive victims, a chilling capability to extract and exploit information and to cause people to think that what they are doing is a good thing and one they wish to take when in fact the Greater Narcissist is manipulating them. The Greater Narcissist is aware that he or she is different from other people. He or she knows that their emotional spectrum has been stunted or as we prefer to regard it, altered to achieve maximum efficiency in our machinations. The Greater Narcissist knows he operates in a different world to other people and revels in such a special status. He or she knows that they are superior, admired and feared.
- Do We Know We Hurt Others?
Unlike the instinctive response of the Lesser Narcissist or the instinctive but more controlled moderate reaction of the Mid-Ranger, the Greater Narcissist knows that he or she is an instrument that inflicts pain. Whether it is the withdrawal of something wonderful or delightful or the imposition of something unpleasant and hateful the Greater Narcissist knows that they hurt. They regard every action taken in this regard, every step, every machination as necessary for their survival and advancement. The Greater Narcissist fervently believes in the doctrine that the end always justifies the means. Pain, misery and hurt are by-products of the process which he or she must engage in. The inflicting of hurt on another person is regarded as a collateral consequence of the need to obtain fuel. The Greater Narcissist knows that during devaluation and the malign hoovers that the application of his or her behaviours is specifically directed to cause hurt. You will take the view that he or she does not care and you are correct in that view since the Greater Narcissist, like all narcissists is not created to care. What you ought to understand though is that this failure to care is actually secondary to the need to acquire fuel. If all that mattered was the inability to care, then we would administer hurtful behaviour all of the time. The reality is, the order of priority is that fuel must be obtained and during devaluation this causes hurt to other people and furthermore we are not designed to care about this hurt. By contrast, someone who is manipulating a dislocation back into place knows that pain will be occur but is a necessary consequence of the act. The difference is that this medic or doctor will care that the person is being put in pain and also seek to address that once the dislocation has been addressed.
- Do We Act Deliberately?
Everything that is done by the Greater Narcissist is deliberate. The lesser responds as a matter of course. The Mid-Ranger is largely governed by instinct but with a degree of control available to them they can consider what action to take and do so with a sense of purpose but this pales compared to the behaviour of the Greater Narcissist. The actions that are taken are planned. The seduction is orchestrated from careful target selection, the reconnaissance of the subject and the gathering of information is organised and the seduction is methodical and deliberate. The Greater Narcissist does not speak without first considering how effective those words are. Are they to be used to elevate or denigrate? Praise or punishment? Elated or eroded. Like some great architect in the sky the Greater Narcissist, in accordance with his god-like view of him or herself sees other people as chess pieces which are moved in accordance to his or her wishes to cause check mate. The Greater Narcissist purposefully manipulates everybody around him or her. Each person has a role, a position and a purpose. The Greater Narcissist acts with considerable deliberation and indeed this need to position and pose all the players in the narcissist’s world results in the need to control being overwhelming. To be this deliberate in manipulating other people requires a significant degree of control over other people and therefore the Greater Narcissist will exercise his or her skills to achieve that outcome. The Greater Narcissist regards the manipulation of others as a game and one which is enjoyable to engage in.
- Can We Control This Behaviour
Not only is the Greater Narcissist an expert in the control of others he exerts considerable control over his own behaviour. His higher functioning allows him considerable latitude to pass the blame onto others and feign an inability to control what he does.
“I don’t know what comes over me sometimes.”
“It as if something else takes control of me.”
“I cannot help it, it just happens.”
“It is like there is some other force that makes the decisions for me.”
All of these comments are lies. The Greater knows he lies but does not care. He sees the lies as necessary to provoke his prey, to tie them up in knots, to hurt them and to bewilder them. He finds lying entertaining, part of the game he engages in and a tool. The Lesser and Mid-Ranger also lie extensively but those lies are their truth. They do not know they are lying and any evidence that is shown to them is automatically rejected by the application of the narcissist’s twin lines of defence, Denial and Distraction & Deflection. The Lesser and Mid-Range believe their lies, cannot be persuaded otherwise and will always maintain them because to them they represent their truth from their perspective. The Greater knows he or she lies, revels in doing so and does not care that he or she lies because it is deemed necessary.
The Greater Narcissist is able to direct his ignited fury to a level and extent beyond the capability of others of our kind. This is why often cold fury is exhibited by Greater Narcissists as we are able to control the ignited fury so that it does not emerge as heated fury and rarely does it show in the form of physical violence. Such a reliance on such brutality through physical action is regarded as beneath the Greater Narcissist and is an insult to his Machiavellian mind. The Greater Narcissist revels in his higher function allowing him to devise and apply far subtler and rewarding manipulations. He or she is also mindful of the consequences of providing damning physical evidence of the abuse. The only time this formidable control weakens is when the Greater Narcissist is thrown into Chaos Mode as a consequence of a sudden and unseen cessation to his or her primary source of fuel.
5 Can We Stop It?
The Greater Narcissist could stop his or her behaviour owing to the degree of control that he or she is able to exert but whilst there is the capability to stop this behaviour, both benign and malign, the Greater Narcissist will not do so. Firstly, this is because the Greater Narcissist sees no need to. Why stop something that is highly effective and serves a purpose in allowing him or her to shine and function at some an impressive (to him or her) level? Why halt doing something which always delivers? Secondly, the Greater Narcissist will not stop this behaviour because the malevolence which runs through him or her will not allow him to do so. Why give up such a delightful way of manipulating someone? Why relinquish such power over an individual? Why stop flexing those machinations? Why stop doing something that is both necessary but also enjoyable? The lesser does because he is programmed to always respond in such a fashion. Choice has been removed from his thought process. The Mid-Ranger does because he realises it is necessary for his survival but there is not enjoyment or malice driving the behaviour, it is mainly instinct allied with some awareness that the actions needs to be done because that makes the Mid Ranger feel “better”.
The Greater does because he or she can. The Greater does because he or she is driven by the furious malice which burns at the centre of the narcissist. This malice arises because the higher functioning Greater Narcissist is more aware than the others of his brethren just how unfair and brutal the world is. He is attuned to its attempts to depose and dethrone and he knows that engendering and harnessing this malice is entirely necessary for the purpose of protection. It is better to strike first than be struck. It is better to get the retaliation in first. He who dares wins. The Greater is a dangerous individual because not only does he regard what he does as entirely necessary, he is driven not only by the need for fuel but by the malice that is wrapped around his core. This means he goes further, longer, stronger and more often than others of his kind. He is the defiler, the punisher and the destroyer of worlds. Your worlds.
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Thank you for broadly sharing the inner workings of your mind. That takes courage regardless of the circumstances by which it comes about.
It seems to me from your posts as well as from the personal interactions I’ve had with various “levels” of what you are labeling as narcissists, that rather than being in a position of power vis a vis manipulation of others, the very fact that you are outsourcing your wellbeing makes it inherently built on unsolid ground. Sand actually. Quick sand for some of you.
You seem well educated and logical, so I venture to ask you: by what logical trickery does your mind equate an unsteady foundation with being powerful? High quality power is stable, calm, and self-renewing. What you are doing is equivalent to betting the farm on the marginal gains of trading commodities. Not sound at all.
The irony of your personality type is that you hang your hats on being so brilliant yet have missed life’s most important lessons. Being proud of that is just absurd to me. You think you are winning, but you are actually losing big time!
That is your human frailty. You are not a dragon, you are a person. Judging by your need to dress up and parade your pathology, a deeply wounded one. Life is not a game of Dungeons and Dragons.
This blog isn’t helping Empaths and other targets of your type, it’s clicking them into the fantasy chess game.
This is the truth of the matter I’d like for you to push through to your readers: if someone or something doesn’t feel right, it’s not right for you. Period. Release the need for evidence and over-applied reason.
Don’t learn to play this game. It’s a waste of time and there much real work to do.
So do I understand correctly that the Mid-Range narcissist might do exactly the same things that the Greater Narcissist does, but the Mid-ranger does them instinctively without being aware or planning, while the Greater Narcissist knows full well that he is doing? I am trying to figure out if the narcissist with whom I was involved – that is, the narcissist who will always be a lurking shadow in my life – was a Mid-Ranger or a Greater. I think he was a Greater because of the seemingly deliberate way he employed triangulation and gas-lighting and his steely coldness at the end when he said “I adore your work and I like you, but” – saying ‘like’ was already demeaning, and he knew this – before plunging into a perfectly-crafted bloody attack on both my character and work that drove a stake into everything he knew I needed and wanted to live, an attack that was phrased so that if I defended myself, I proved his point, and if I refused to respond, I also proved his point. It was an obvious threat to damage my professional reputation and everything I had worked for all of my life. I chose to refuse to respond. That, I figured, would be the easier way out for me. This attack came after I called out his lies…and showed him that I had proof – which made him look weak – he had thought he could pull the wool over my eyes and in the end he failed. And since he knew that if I let others know the extent to which he had lied to me, his professional and personal reputation could have been badly damaged, he found a way to silence me and threaten me, even though his accusations were bizarre and untrue. But since he is influential in the circles that we both live in, a few suggestive words from him to someone in my line of work could destroy my reputation. Does his failure to fool me make him a Mid-ranger? Or can Greater Narcissists also underestimate their victims’ ability to see through them? I had been on to the lying for weeks, but I was very careful not to let him know I knew, and so this was also a major insult to him, I believe – that he had not been in control during that time, that I had turned the tables on him. By that time I was extremely angry, furious, and even as an empath, there is only so far I can be pushed But I was only able to hide my knowledge because our correspondence was all in writing. If we had been face to face, I could not have held out that long. I was playing with fire; in the end, he is much more aggressive and ruthless. Now the problem is that I am moving to work near where he lives, and we have common acquaintances. He will hear that I am in the area and will be watching. It makes me nervous.
Partially correct. You are correct about the instinct versus calculation part, although Greaters operate through some instinct as well. If you need assistance with ascertaining the school of narcissist I recommend you book a Narc Detector consultation. You should note that many people think they have been ensnared by a Greater but most of the time, they have not.
If a narcissist was very violent, are they more likely to be a mid range, and not a greater? The one I’m divorcing seemed extremely intelligent, yet he was also extremely physically abusive. He projected so often, I am wondering do they believe their projections? He is a highly dangerous individual, I managed to escape just barely…his new target is a young family member of mine and I’m trying to figure out how to save her
All narcissists have the capacity for physical violence, but the reliance on it, the form of the physical violence, the repetition of the violence and the circumstances in which it takes place varies based on school.
I recommend you put your suspected narcissist through the Narc Detector, that is the starting point before taking any further action.
That werewolf pic is enough to keep me away from narcissists permanently 😄
HG,
Did you watch the Elon Musk interview where everyone freaked out that he smoked pot? The main question Rogan and the commentators were asking, was, “what is elon?”. Some were saying he is on the spectrum, Rogan called him an Alien, Elon said he is probably just evolved. I was mesmerized. Is he a Greater?
Mr Musk may well be appearing in the ‘A Very’ series,so hush hush for now!
nice! Thank you!
I never liked him. I could never admire him. It bothers me how he has treated his wives to feel like trash
Looking forward to that! That man is an odd one, though not sure he would be a Greater, due to certain comments he has made. Eager to find out!
I watched most of the podcast with Elon Musk; it was great.
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If I am a narcissist (which might be true), at least I am a useful one
I am leaning towards narc or high in narc traits.
Ok, I have pondered the conundrum that is Elon Musk; I think he is a narcissist. NPD all the way.
K
Looks like this is another thing I need to google. Never heard of Elon Musk.
It always puts me in mind of a sub-standard perfume.
I never understood the attraction of musk. It always seemed to me that wearing musk was like trying to smell like a deer.
I thought of cheap cologne as well. And then my mind went to a ferret (thank you K) with its musk glands, then to having them de-scented if you want one as a pet, but then they still smell bad.
Then I Googled to find he is the Tesla guy. I just can’t get into the idea of an electric sports car. I know they’re fast, but when I think electric, it puts me in the mindset of a Prius and that ain’t sexy.
MB
Did you evacuate? Hurricane Florence is approximately 205 miles southeast of Wilmington, North Carolina, and roughly 250 miles east-southeast of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, as of 5 a.m.
Tesla is a sexy car. I am a Green Empath (as in: save the earth).
K, no I did not have to evacuate. I live in the middle of the state. The weather folks can’t figure out what’s gonna happen. I just look out the window if I want to know. We have clouds and it’s breezy atm.
I’m pretty green too, I drove a hybrid for awhile and I recycle religiously. I guess I’m old fashioned when it comes to sports cars though. Must run on gas!
MB
Good to know! It is all over the news. I was worried you would be displaced.
K, thank you for thinking of me.
MB
Glad to see you are ok! Are you in a flood zone? I know many area in NC that that is what does them in is the flooding.
Thank you Twilight. I am not in a flood zone but with the 6-10” of rain in the forecast for my area, we are bound to get flooding. Nothing like the people in the eastern part of the state though. I will be fine as long as the wind doesn’t uproot the large trees in my yard because of the saturated roots.
MB
I understand.
When Gaston came through Richmond and the flood gates couldn’t keep the water back. It was a sight to see Richmond flooded. The water came to just under my floorboards in my house and the neighbors tree fell on my car. At the time I didn’t live in the city nor close to any streams or rivers.
It looks like Florence is moving slow and hopefully doesn’t stall. I keep thinking about the situation I went through adding 100x worse for those in SC.
I’m sorry you had to go through that, Twilight. As long as there’s no loss of life. Possessions are easily replaced.
MB
My thoughts are with you. I am thou glad to keep seeing you commenting here knowing you are still safe.
That is so sweet Twilight that you said you know I’m safe since I’m commenting. I always imagine HG watching over me. Now I know I have others watching out for me too!
MB
I’ve been thinking about you, too. Glad you’re inland. Was watching the news on ABC this morning and trying to explain to my 6 yr old grandson what 30” of rain meant (should have videoed it. It sounded like an Abbot and Costell routine. He was unable to conceive of it happening and not being here in KS or even right there in my bedroom!)
Thank you WS for keeping me in your thoughts. So far, so good here but we are not expected to get our worst until tomorrow. The ones in the eastern part of our state have not been so lucky. You should be able to find video of the flooding online to explain to your grandson what 30 inches of rain in 24 hours can do. Amazing! Probably shouldn’t cause the little fella to worry though.
MB
It was sort of humorous. I showed him how high 30” was on my cane and he said, “Water came up that high?” I said, “yes”. Then he followed up with, “here in this room? Where’d all that water go?”
lol! Decided I’d better leave off before I had to start reassuring that hurricanes can’t come here to Kansas.
Last summer I was explaining to them in detail what to do if there was a tornado. The two year old thought I was saying “tormado” and for the next month was afraid of having tomatoes in the house! 🍅 😄
That’s hilarious WS. I think I remember thinking it was called a tomato when I was a kid too. Oh to be young and innocent again! I don’t have any grandchildren yet, but I sure am looking forward to the joy of viewing the world through the eyes of a child again.
You are welcome, MB. How could I not think about you?!! It comes naturally to us empaths, like inhaling and exhaling. (involuntary)
K, I am the same way. I reached out to an old friend that lives in SC to be sure she was ok. Haven’t talked to her in a year or more. We’ve drifted apart, but my concern for her will always be there.
MB
Hey! Don’t diss the Prius! That’s what my little Cat is. She may not be sexy, but she is very cute! And she averages 46 mpg. That’s a wonderful characteristic for someone who keeps the roads hot like I do! 🚗😊
Yep, I think of parfum and animal glands.
WS
My children talk about him quite a bit and, of course, we watched as the Space X launched a Tesla into orbit.
Ha ha ha…substandard perfume was funny HG.
K
“If I am a narcissist (which might be true), at least I am a useful one.”
I like that quote!
WS
Yeah, that tweet made me laugh. He is a brilliant man.
K, here’s a live stream 34 miles off the Wilmington coast for your viewing pleasure. The flag was completely in tact this morning. I can’t believe she’s still hanging on!
Except that Machiavelli was not one of yours.
Self awareness is a basic standard, not a higher function.
Shining’s not really a narc trait as natural magnetism is no aspiration or ploy, it just flows (I’ll admit though, it has been utterly contemptible to witness how often ppl can be duped and turned by those who are generally just background ppl on the outside/criminally insane emotional toddlers on the inside. It’s like they’re actually hungry for hooked bait, and unable to grasp the scope of destruction wrought when done en masse).
Also, this world and it’s systems are a reflection of those on your side (ie circular, distracting, restrictive, a waste of time and energy, zero) which is what must be destroyed here. The “destroyer of worlds” most feared in this one isn’t the narcissistic zero but the infinite dreamer, who is both the destroyer and creator. A narc isn’t capable of the creation of anything genuinely new. As you said, your core inner workings consist of a void wrapped in malice, where a creative being is an infinite sovereign sun just as capable of choosing compassion as it is of “malice” (though not out of any need for fuel). Narcs seem obsessed with “domination” but in a creepy micromanagement type of way. Not out of true personal authority, but a lack there of (though I guess Lack is at the root of all they do regardless – which reminds me of a question I’ll put in the postscript). Anyway, if empathetic souls would not ignore their critical minds, but instead ignore all useless moralism and sentimentality imposed on them from outside their own sovereign inner compass, stand in their own power, learn from their enemies, and fear the utilization of whatever may be of strategic value even less than narcs do, well then, they just might be able to dust off these leeches and get back to dominating the ambitions of their own souls. And being much better off for it, instead of damaged.
Now excuse me while I go take my own advice, lol
P.S. Weird question, maybe: If you were put in solitary confinement, kept alive and forced to deal with nothing but yourself. What would happen, do you think? I mean after the initial narcissistic rage or whatever. The crutches you use now to avoid whatever is or isn’t in you would be gone. Do you think it would even be possible for you to find choice if you had no other options? Or if given the chance by a passing rat would you descend into “lesser” forms of narcissism, torturing it and killing the spiders on your walls for fuel? And when they were all gone, what then?
It never fails to amaze me how insidious this actually is. Like the neighbor of a serial killer who always thought he was a wonderful person if a bit quiet. Always appropriately shocked at the reality they were next door to a monster.
It’s no surprise others do not see him for what he is even though the evidence is staring them right in the face. All the excuses I’ve heard. All those odd phone calls? Spam calls, of course. Everyone gets them. That bizarre comment from a third party? They probably didn’t mean anything by it. His other victim chooses to call him “the idiot” and firmly believes she knows all of his manipulations, thinking him a creature of mere opportunity as opposed to a calculated predator.
I never once considered him to be a fool. While I’m firmly on dry land now, and slowly approaching Zero Impact one thing still gets to me. The sense that I’m actually waiting for something to happen. I know, enough, I suppose to simply drop it. I no longer feel this desperate sense of trying to move on with my life. I don’t know if that feeling is normal or not, but I know he is capable of quite a bit and I’m sure he’s entrenched in his new hunting ground and not thinking of me at all. But I feel like this isn’t over yet, and there is quite a bit yet to come.
Wounded
In the end (once youve truly moved on) thats all they have left. Reduced to thought fuel that you still think of/fear them. Let them think whatever they want or need to get themselves through. Be prepared and have a plan in place, but then move to thoughts and people more worthy of the time you have left and leave them with just that-their fantasy that you give them any thought at all.
Thank you NA. You always give the best advice. In the last few weeks since I’ve been on here I feel alive again. Like the poison has been drained away. I still have anger towards some things but that too will go away in time.
this is really great advice. thank you for posting it. I will also use it.
doesn’t needing fuel make your work less efficient? The greater in a certain sense is a drug addict (he needs fuel. That is his drug. ) and as a drug addict that is a weakness that could affect the things the greater can achieve. Could this notion, that the greater is a drug addict motivate the greater to change? To want to not be a drug addict?
I really like this classification of midranger, lesser and the greater. I feel motivated to work harder after reading how the author contextualizes knowledge. i want to do the same. Off to work \o/
Sir, what is the origin of the malice you feel? Fear? Envy? Was it something that was done to you as a child or perhaps something you weren’t given as a child? I guess I’m struggling with understanding the hatred you feel for someone who is sincerely trying to love you. Thank you.
You’re describing Iago. But the play is called “Othello” for a reason.
Our worlds are not destroyed. We live — and you don’t. I think you cannot actually change, no matter how you much you claim you can, or you would. The prizes of living are so much more varied and intense for the rest of us. Maybe what you call “greater” narcissists are actually the most deluded of all.
Oh I live and I am highly effective. I know you would like to think to the contrary, to make yourself feel better and I fully understand that, but that is not the case.
You are so funny HG with all your egotistical parading. You can kill us but when we die, you die because the fuel is gone and you starve. You kill us and we are at peace while you scramble to fill the gap. We all die and you have only yourself to consume. The irony of a narc having to feed himself on his own attention is very appealing.
Better yet, we empaths will bind together and grey rock you into death by indifference. It’s coming. Are you ready? What’s your backup plan brainboy?
I do not scramble to fill the gap because of the efficient fuel matrix which is in place. I recommend you read more before jumping to your conclusions in a moment of false triumph.
There are millions upon millions of victims out there, so there will be no grey rock into death.
Agreed. But saying that a gn can halt their behavior out of willful control isn’t the same as changing. I don’t think that was implied anywhere actually. It’s been my understanding that in describing the nature of narcissists he’s made it very clear that change is not an option. And from what I’ve seen that’s totally correct, it’s just not in them.*
In fact a good deal of what is said here is true and should be adopted by empaths. Though the world is unfair, brutal, defiling, and constantly trying to dethrone our sovereignty over our own lives, it’s because of their kind. Yet, it is still better to strike first and do whatever is necessary to protect yourself, the crazier person in a fight will in, and a constantly defensive stance will always fail eventually, these are just truisms. But while they do these things to protect their egos, I wish more empaths would employ them to protect their own lives.
*which, btw, is why I asked the question I did in my yet-to-be-moderated comment. I’m not poking a stick, Ive actually been in such situations (courtesy of your kind, of course) and I want to know, which is why we’re all here. In a situation where all my rights were denied and I learned the brutal truths of this world, I had to stay centered more than ever. But my center is fundamentally different than a narcs. So, if one of you made the leap from self awareness to introspection (probs not possible but wtvr) and had to face your own starving abyss instead of making others deal with it, what do you think would happen? It wouldn’t eat you, you wouldn’t die, not really anyway (except of boredom, maybe? Idk). Can the idea of separation from, and conquest of, your own zero point even enter the realm of pseudo-consciousness your kind inhabits, or nah?