A Very Royal Narcissist
On Saturday 19th May, Rachel Meghan Markle (“RMM”) married Prince Harry and this union is attracting just as much attention for the debacle surrounding the bride’s family as the event itself. One cannot avoid the repeated mention of Miss Markle and Prince Harry and they are rarely out of the press headlines – just the way she likes.
An announcement has been made on 15th October that Miss Markle is now pregnant. A swift pregnancy following the wedding and typical of the binding behaviour of the narcissist to fall pregnant or cause a partner to become pregnant quickly to ensure that the ensnared empathic victim is bound tightly as possible to the narcissist. On top of that, Miss Markle attended the wedding of Princess Eugenie on 12th October with her coat unbuttoned around her stomach (when it need not have been) to invite speculation that she may well be pregnant and of course draw attention to her and away from the bride. Such speculation became confirmation with the announcement shortly thereafter Miss Markle is pregnant, again drawing attention to her and away from the bride. There was ample opportunity to make an announcement a decent time before the wedding or a week or so thereafter, but instead it has been declared in a matter of days, thus enabling Miss Markle to steal someone else’s thunder and maintain her thirst for attention, namely fuel. These upstaging antics were noticed by Eugenie’s mother, Sarah Ferguson, who launched a twitter blitz of photographs of her daughter’s wedding as a response to the behaviour of Miss Markle.
Is she a narcissist? Her half-sister, Samantha Markle certainly thinks so as she has been particularly outspoken about RMM calling her
“a narcissist, a shallow, social climber”
She has also criticised RMM for failing to provide any emotional or financial support to her and RMM’s father once RMM became famous. Others have described Samantha Markle as being jealous and exhibiting a sense of entitlement. Are Samantha’s remarks accurate and demonstrate what RMM is and those attacking Samantha are the coterie and Lieutenants of RMM, as they attempt to limit any damage and discredit Samantha or are they the remarks and the ramblings of a jealous sibling? It is difficult to assess in isolation. However, it is interesting that Samantha chose such a description. If she wanted to insult RMM she might have chosen other unpleasant descriptions such as branding her a whore, a gold-digger, stand-offish and such like. Thus, might there be some grain of truth (when viewed cynically) in what Samantha Markle has said?
Samantha Markle also commented that RMM watched the royals on television when young (hardly anything unique in that) and that RMM preferred Harry as she has a soft spot for gingers and it was always her ambition to be a princess. It is hardly a revelation that a young girl wants to be a princess, many do aspire to that dream as part of their childhood and drop such a notion as they grow older.
Other family members have not been shy at expressing their opinion about RMM. Her Uncle Michael Markle stated
“I’m upset and surprised about not being selected but if they don’t want me there, then I don’t want to go.”
Half-brother Tom Markle Jnr remarked
“She’s torn our entire family apart. She’s clearly forgotten her roots.”
He claims he sent her a congratulatory letter on her engagement which was not replied to.
Two other uncles have been snubbed, one a bishop (admittedly of his own church) and the other a retired US diplomat. It appears only two family members of RMM have actually been invited and the farce surrounding her father’s attendance/non-attendance on her wedding day has clogged-up many a newsfeed. It transpires that it is her mother Doria Ragland who will attend and give RMM away. Her mother has only arrived in the UK three days ago where one might have expected a longer attendance given the high-profile nature of the wedding. Did she not want to come sooner or was she not permitted to do so?
Is it the case that RMM is surrounded by a dysfunctional family and thinks it better that they should not attend or is it the case that whilst her family may have their issues they wish to share in RMM’s happy wedding day and would do so without complication, but RMM sees their attendance and involvement as embarrassing, a reminder of where she came from (which she wants to forget now she is in the rarified atmosphere of royal life) and thus is most content to keep them an ocean away and uninvited? A caring individual would most likely invite family because, well, they are family. Yes, the odd relative may not be invited for cogent reasons but to only have two family members attend does smack of a calculated decision to keep them away because they no longer serve any purpose and would damage RMM’s image. If so, such behaviour is in line with the narcissistic behaviour of maintaining a particular appearance and cutting people off quite readily.
Such a conclusion gains credence with the revelations from former friend Ninaki Priddy who was friends with RMM for thirty of RMM’s 36 years on the planet. Miss Priddy commented
“Meghan was calculated, very calculated in the way she handled people and relationships. She is very strategic in the way she cultivates circles of friends. Once she decides you’re not part of her life, she can be very cold. It’s this shutdown mechanism she has.”
Miss Priddy’s observation, if accurate, paints a picture of significant narcissistic behaviour by demonstrating
- calculated behaviour to achieve an aim
- friendship is developed for ulterior gain, not for the friendship in itself
- the switching behaviour – white to black
- the swift execution of such behaviour evidencing a lack of empathy
Having been a friend for such an extensive time period Miss Priddy must have some basis for the remarks. Might she however be a jealous friend? Her friendship ended with RMM owing to the way RMM treated her first husband, Trevor Engleton. A disapproval of such behaviour does demonstrate empathy on the part of Miss Priddy and lends credence to her credibility with regard to her observations.
RMM and Mr Engleton were together for six years and married in 2011. Soon after, RMM achieved her breakthrough role as an actress in the series ‘Suits’ and moved to Toronto. Mr Engleton was the one who travelled back and forth from California to Toronto to support his wife. He put in the miles as he shuttled to and from RMM with no suggestion she reciprocated. Not withstanding his dedication, the marriage did not last long and they split and divorced in 2013. Mr Engleton commented that the split “came out of the blue” and that RMM posted the engagement and wedding rings back to him to show it was over. Did RMM disengage from Mr Engleton without explanation, just relying on the symbolic act of returning the rings? If so, such haughty and dismissive behaviour would accord with the behaviour of a narcissist.
Miss Priddy explained that once the nuptials had been secured between the two, RMM behaved “like a light switched off”. This is further indicative behaviour demonstrating that once RMM felt her relationship with Mr Engleton was secured through marriage, she had control and therefore need not behave towards him in a favourable way, in other words, the golden period came to an end. Apparently, RMM had commented about Mr Engleton previously
“if anything were to happen to [Mr Engleton] she wouldn’t be able to go on”
Yet, RMM ended the marriage. Of course people’s feelings can change, but there was no suggestion that Mr Engleton did anything to invite such treatment, on the contrary he remained a faithful and devoted husband, but it appeared he had outlived his usefulness and with RMM’s career rising and in the ascendancy he was no longer required and thus jettisoned with familiar callousness and swiftness which is the preserve of the narcissist.
During her time in Toronto, there were suggestions that whilst married she became close to a Michael Del Zolte, whether there is any substance in this is unknown. It was also rumoured she had a fling with the golfer Rory McIlroy but again this is unconfirmed. If those suggestions were true then this would accord with the behaviour of a narcissist who has no concern with regard to infidelity and serving a sense of entitlement. Indeed, if this was the case then with Mr Engleton secured by marriage and ensconced in California, he would be in devaluation as the Intimate Partner Primary Source and it would not be a surprise for Mr Del Zolte and Mr McIlroy to become ensnared also as Intimate Partner Secondary Sources. However, the extent of any veracity with regard to these rumoured extra-marital relationships remains unconfirmed.
It is however confirmed that following the end of her marriage, RMM moved on to Canadian Chef Cory Vitiello and the pair dated through 2014 to 2016. Further comment has arisen that her relationship with Prince Harry arose whilst she was still with Mr Vitiello and she then ended the relationship with him because Prince Harry was in the picture. If accurate, such a shift from one person to another, especially one which would be regarded as a ‘trade-up’ in terms of wealth, status and position would appeal to a narcissist. Of course, people do move from one relationship to another with some overlap and this is not in itself determinative of that person as begin a narcissist, but such behaviour, which is ultimately self-serving and selfish whichever way it is looked at, is not flattering and when added to other indicative factors, then the evidence begins to mount up.
RMM and Prince’s Harry’s relationship has naturally been well-documented and they became engaged after just 18 months of meeting. Some may see that as rather quick, but it is not unduly hasty and certainly many narcissists would outstrip that time period with room to spare.
A number of RMM’s behaviours certainly weigh against her in terms of narcissism –
- She was a stripper ( a role, as with being an actress that appeals to someone with high narcissistic traits even if it does not make them a narcissist)
- She stated she was a stripper on her CV, clearly unconcerned about how that would appear – evidencing a sense of entitlement and lack of accountability
- The reference to her being a stripper was then later removed from her CV as she began to move in more refined circles – facade management
- Her body language in interviews and engagements with Harry has shown her to stare at him for an overly long time, clasp his hand and place her hand repeatedly on Harry’s back (the Trump power pat) all of which denotes a desire to dominate and signal that she is in charge whilst no doubt using plausible deniability to reject such an accusation by claiming that she is being supportive
- There have been suggestions that she has not actually graduated from North West University although claiming to do so – if so, this is the grandiosity, telling of lies and stage management that narcissists engage in
- Mirroring – she wore a blue bracelet identical to Harry’s and has repeatedly worn outfits and also adopted poses mirroring Kate Middleton (the Duchess of Cambridge), Princess Diana and Pippa Middleton. The photographs and footage show this repeated narcissistic trait.
- Allegations that her wealth is over-stated. She is said to be worth US $ 5 million yet was living in a poor area of Toronto in property apparently paid for by the studio responsible for suits – if this is correct this show grandiosity and facade management
- Touts herself as a feminist and taking up progressive causes, caring about mental health however was content to wear a £ 56 000 engagement dress (so much for being a humanitarian), has apparently done nothing to assist her own father who has health issues and as for her commitment to progressive causes so far this appears to have been writing a letter aged 11 or thereabouts to a soap company complaining about a sexist add and writing a piece for Elle magazine about her struggle concerning her racial identity. Hardly a litany of fire-brand commitment and therefore evidence the hypocrisy, facade management and fake empathy of the narcissist.
- She has expensive tastes and likes to show off her connections as evidenced by the list of famous friends and high end products which existed on her Instagram account before it was closed down – again grandiosity
- Prince Harry has never met her father which seems a very strange step given he is the father of the bride and Prince Harry has no difficulty in travelling around the world. Does RMM want to keep those troublesome facade damaging relatives away from her target perhaps? The typical narcissistic behaviour of compartmentalising their lives and isolating perceived troublemakers.
- Many of Prince Harry’s childhood friends have not been invited to the wedding but many celebrities have. One doubts this is Prince Harry’s doing but rather the actions of a controlling and calculating mind who does not want reminders of a world she did not occupy and instead prefers to fill it with vacuous status-boosintg celebrities who are only really there to say ‘look at me’ anyway.
The cumulative effect of these behaviours, the treatment of family, the intimate relationship pattern (especially towards her ex-husband) and the observations of a longstanding former friend do cause the conclusion that RMM is a narcissist, to be reached. All of the above, some of which are confirmed and others remain speculative as stated, if all taken to be accurate demonstrate
- A sense of entitlement
- A lack of empathy
- A lack of accountability
- Black and white thinking
- Use of inter-personal relationships as devices for self-gain
- Lying
- Grandiosity
- Haughty behaviour
- A manufactured version of self
- Facade management
- A desire for recognition and response (fuel)
- Switching
- Compartmentalisation
- Isolation
All of which support RMM being a narcissist.
This conclusion is also heavily supported by Prince Harry himself. This is a man who lost his mother in tragic circumstances and at a very young age followed his mother’s hearse with the eyes of the world on him. He has faced repeated rumours about his real father not being Prince Charles but James Hewitt. It is clear that these experiences have had a significant impact on him and would suggest he has suffered some form of damage, a trait which is attractive to the narcissist.
Prince Harry no doubt has a significant extrovert streak. He is not academic but is industrious, well-liked and enjoyed something of a reputation as a party prince. However, be under no illusion that those in the upper echelons of society have always enjoyed a good knees-up and engaged in substantial bacchanalian excess – the difference then was the world’s media and social media was nowhere near as brazen and intrusive. Furthermore, those around the royals were far more discrete. Prince Harry is no different to many of his family and ancestors – he has just been seen enjoying himself raucously rather than it be hidden.
Prince Harry is an empathic individual. He has inherited Princess Diana’s caring and empathic traits. He has evidenced this through his career in the army, his establishment of the Invictus Games and charity work such as his trek to the south pole. He admires Kate and William’s settled and stable family life – contrast this to his own childhood – and it is patently clear that this vivacious man is one of empathy who craves the establishment of his own settled life and his various traits are a magnet to the narcissist.
The traits and behaviours of RMM, coupled with her selection of Prince Harry and his own traits confirms that come Saturday 19th May, the Very Suited Narcissist will achieve her childhood ambition and become a royal and so with it the creation of a Very Royal Narcissist.
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PREDICTION SO RIGHT ON ! Every word fits this CUNNING CONNIVING EX C LIST
[ actress ] TO A T ! Ms Margel isn’t FINISHED YET………..
WATCH ……far more destruction sadly coming Prince Harry ‘s WAY ! I predict she is already PLOTTING to ride herself of the Prince 🤴…………..on the HUNT for husband # 3 ………
ENSCONCED HERSELF in a billionaires Local ……………NARCISSIST ARE EVIL . THIS ONE
DANGEROUS Mayo each victim AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILIES .
The lady is a Narcissist and she ain’t even a real lady. She married an enabler and it’s not hard to see that she isolated her royal husband from his family thus ending his close relationship with Step Ma and Pa and his brother and his sister in law. It’s all about the Mimi with her.
I like your writing style, though I disagree strongly that Princess Diana was empathetic. I think she had Borderline Personality and/or highly narcissistic traits. Meghan is VERY similar to Diana, though Diana – being British and therefore knowing her audience better – was much more subtle and effective in her aims of ruining Charles and using her children as supply. Harry can be said to have “married his Mum” in my view.
Hannah Priscilla
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HG Tudor says:
May 17, 2018 at 17:55
You are correct in the comments you have made Ursula and I agree that Princess Diana was narcissistic, however
1. She did have emotional empathy. Yes, she used this fact in a narcissistic way (at times) but this was a response to the way she was being treated. She did not park the tanks on the lawn first, but when someone parked theirs on hers, she reacted in this way.
2. She was a borderline – thus she had empathy, she was manipulative, she was narcissistic.
3. She did not devalue Charles, he did it to her.
https://narcsite.com/2018/05/17/a-very-royal-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comments
Thanks for this, I still disagree that in a marriage it can be said that one partner is entirely a villain and the other entirely a saint. For you to have noted that Diana had Borderline traits, this means that she most definitely lied, manipulated and devalued her (ex)husband at some point. Infidelity aside, Diana was noted by many people to have highly manipulative tendencies towards palace staff, their sons and her former spouse. In true Borderline fashion she was able to use exceptional intuition and portray herself as 100% innocent and Charles as a 100% lying, cheating, heartless bad father and husband. All these years later the fruit doesn’t support Diana’s depiction. William and Camilla are evidence of this. So was Harry to an extent. If you have ever been raised by, married to or in my case had the unfortunate experience of having to co-parent with a Borderline (and also have a Narcissist for a mother-in-law), the first trait you identify with complete confidence is their incredible ability to wreck STUNNING havoc in the lives of those closest to them (for example William being reported at 7 years of age as nursing his weeping mother as she sobbed for close to 9 hours about his father, or his asking them both not to come to Eton because their public feuding – usually aired by Diana – was embarrassing him at 13 when they got divorced); whilst also APPEARING to be victims 100% of the time. I’m surprised you can identify the narcissism in Meghan Markle so well but can’t correlate how Diana’s BPD most likely led to Harry missing all the glaringly obvious warning signs about Meghan. That’s typical of sons of Narcissists and Borderlines. Diana was definitely at least partly to blame for many of the issues in her marriage. Many couples recover from adultery and some women who are jilted don’t engage in the kind of merciless parental alienation and smear campaigning Diana did. Though most Borderlines do. And then, like Meghan, they stand back and act surprised when their crazy making helps to drive the partners they alternately smother and ambiguously reject and devalue into poor decision-making, including adultery. Because this is a site about spousal abuse of the mental kind; I won’t conclude my comment by emphasising that Diana isn’t at fault for Charles’s affairs (and I won’t speculate about her own alleged affairs such that it was suggested that Harry’s father may not have been Prince Charles); because my point is that even empathetic people can be incredibly emotionally abusive and this is a trait very common amongst Borderlines but most importantly, Charles wasn’t the only person being awful in that marriage. Prior experience with many Cluster Bs of both genders (including immediate family members) assures me that Diana was no innocent, helpless, docile and naive flower. No one is.
@Hannah thank you for your comment. Brought up some great points and pointed out some qualities I had a hard time connecting with my mother who is BPD and my ex who is a narcissist.
I would disagree with you, I think Diana was trully empathetic, and she was most probably co-dependant, always looking for love. On the other hand, Meghan is much more calculated persona, but is trying to appear as cute and innocent, but it is obvious that she is pulling all the moves.
Let’s agree to disagree. There is plenty of strong evidence she had Borderline traits and not simply codependent ones. Her attempts at suicide, black and white thinking, paranoia, treatment of the boys’ nannies, constant parentification and her isolation, devaluation and discard of many people points more in the Cluster B direction. Also, her relationship with her own mother and her stepmother is very telling. I will maintain that she had narcissistic traits as well.
Just been reading todays articles, very interesting! Meghan is ignoring her father and hasn’t spoken to him for months. Prince Charles’s biographer thinks she needs to make amends and she is making a huge mistake.
She is giving him the silent treatment, punishing him for not attending the wedding yes?
Her Instagram account briefly appeared again – then disappeared. Looking for fuel? or rebelling against protocol? possibly missing her previous life?
Also Katie Price I thought was Histronic, what makes her an out and out Narc? Attention hungry?
Dear HG
Do you say that patting somebody on the back is always a sign of dominance? I sometimes do this but didn’t think of it as a sign of dominance. (But maybe, if it is a sign of dominance, I could use it to pat some people on the back from now on that I never patted before and abstain from patting others? Snicker.)
Thank you for explaining this.
It is indicative but not determinative.
HG, did you see Lady Colin Campbell (interesting character ha ha ) talking to Piers Morgan , she claimed Meghan is a Narcissist. Lady Colin Campbell has spokenly openly many times about her own mother being a narcissist . Interesting the very narcissistic Piers Morgan replied that he agrees Meghan is a narcissist ha ha , well he should be able to spot them . He claimed he got on very well with her , presumably he means he was granted some journalistic access when she first came on the scene , but apparently he’s been cut off.
No I did not see this but I have read her comments elsewhere about her mother and agree with her.
My apologies to Harvey, Katie Price’s teenage son. I referred to him as “that” rather than “whom”. It was not my intent to minimize him. Nor do I have any delusions that my comment is relevant to the Price family. Just want to be respectful to all.
I just stumbled upon an article about her pregnancy and the photo of her creeped me out. Her fce is a creepily grinning mask that barely contains the monster inside.
Sometimes these …persons… don’t seem human at all. Do you have moments like that too, HG?
Meghan is probably not enjoying the term “geriatric” pregnancy!
She apparently told the queen on Eugenies wedding day about the pregnancy. What a bitch! Bet the queen was rolling her eyes at how crass that was…
Guess where I will be going this week….
https://www.mfah.org/exhibitions/tudors-to-windsors-british-royal-portraits-holbein-warhol
After reading this later post by HG about Meghan, I went back to see the videos of Meghan at Eugenie’s wedding and also the recent official outings of them both in Australia.
It’s so obvious that the unbuttoned coat at Eugenie’s wedding was a deliberate ploy for attention and to start media rumours. She was reed thin with a flat stomach and there was absolutely no need to have a conspicuously unbuttoned coat. In later events in Australia, she wore a very simple white figure-hugging dress and there is no baby bump to be seen.
It makes me think how very conniving, manipulative and bold she must be to want to upstage somebody else’s wedding. Especially after being married only a few months ago herself and knowing exactly how much the whole event would mean to another bride, having the experience still so fresh in her own mind. It’s mind-blowing really. Well, considering she’s a narc, I guess it’s not.
Another thing I’ve noticed in the recent videos of Harry and Meghan together in Australia is that sometimes they appear very engaged with each other – happy, smiling and frequently touching and holding each other’s hands – and then other times they appear very unemotional, unsmiling and do not touch or engage with each other. At these times, Harry is a little hard-faced, which is not really his usual style, and he looks like he’s aware that he has an important job to do. For all his “Party Prince” reputation, I believe Harry takes his work very seriously.
There must be a lot of different emotional moments when they’re in the public eye and meeting many people at these official engagements, but I can’t help feeling that Harry will maintain a “business as usual” front in keeping with the royal lifestyle and expectations, even though he may be feeling all kinds of things below the surface. In the meantime, Meghan will probably be revelling in all the fuel she’s getting from manipulating his emotions at these stressful times, while pretending to be and being seen as the innocent adoring wife (and soon-to-be mother).
Once an actress always an actress.
I don’t get it. How did the Royal family even “allow” a connection to develop between these two to begin with?
What does the Queen say?
It is heartbreaking. I loved Diana, hate Charles and that witch he finally married, and always thought those boys to be the cutest ever. Now this. I am so pissed off right now. No wonder I didn’t like that MMR’s bitch face on the magazines.
Accidents happen…. disasters too. Nauseating. A
Agree on all counts and was happy to read this post. Now I just need to apply that narc sense to my own life.
It’s all politics.
Perhaps. But…. I hope she gets her neck cut from inside.
Go Broncos!
Dear Mr Tudor,
Interesting, the “backlash” Piers Morgan received calling Meghan … ” fake” …once an actress…..
It’s incredible how narcissists get away with it !
Great reading, you are quite the investigator and give great attention to detail …. I appreciate all the work and effort you put into your work
Thank you Mr Tudor
Luv Bubbles xx
I dislike Piers Morgan with a passion… Wouldn’t watch that Good Morning shite if you paid me… When Harry and Megan started dating/ became engaged I can’t remember which he wrote an piece in the Daily Mail about being friends with her … What an odious man he is … Please tell us HG? Piers (twat) Morgan is a Narc? X
Without a doubt.
Dear Bubbles,
The backlash against Piers Morgan regarding his comments about Meghan was indeed very interesting. To me, the general public’s commentary about narcissists or the accusations against them is a good indicator of how widespread general knowledge is about narcissistic tendencies and narcissism overall.
In Piers Morgan’s case, it showed a few interesting things, I think, such as:
1. The attitude about royalty. They are either seen as pretentious or as living a fairy-tale lifestyle. If they’re thought to be pretentious, then they are all acting anyway, so what’s the big deal if Meghan is acting too? Or, if they’re seen as living an illusion, then Piers is just jealous because he is not young, rich and in love.
2. In general, the majority public perception about Piers is that he is obnoxious and his credibility is questionable, so anything he has to say is immediately tainted by his own negative reputation.
That’s just a small sample, however, I think in general, the majority of people are very unaware of narcissism and the deliberate manipulative tactics that narcissists use.
To muddy the waters even further, Piers Morgan himself is contradictory and being narcissistic himself, he can appear to be either clued up on whether or not someone is “acting”, or on the other hand, he can pretend to be absolutely clueless about such manipulative tactics. He plays to one side or the other depending on the publicity and effect he wants to create.
If you’ve ever seen him in the “real life murderer” series he hosts where he interviews people in jail for murder who either are or aren’t “guilty” of the crime they’ve committed, you’ll see another side to Piers. In that show, he asks questions of the “murderer” that make it look like he has no idea at all about narcissism or manipulative tactics even though the crime in question is a textbook example of NPD. Piers is a chameleon whose job is to drum up views, drama and publicity. In Meghan’s case, he actually got it right.
It IS amazing how narcissists get away with it. People can be manipulated very easily if they’re not aware.
Harry may never have to do anything about it as she will have enough fuel in her position to keep her going, he may see signs behind closed doors , but it can always be put down to the stress of the position she’s in. She’s no Kate in anyway shape or form, even if Kate was a commoner she has a class about her that Meghan just does not have. The Royals are such a dysfunctional family , one more narc will hardly be noticed.
Random comment – Famous Narc Alert
Bradley Cooper – he’s got the eyes , watch his interviews , if anyone’s interested ha ha , all his interviews recently for A Star is Born – if that’s not enough – google what his ex wife says about him, the marriage lasted 5 months – she’s describing a narc although that word is never used.
I find him attractive so yes , most probably.
Hi abrokenwing – ha ha , there was a time i would have thought , hasn’t he got nice eyes , now i see psychopath , the stare the no emotions the guy barely blinks. I wonder about Ga Ga ? HG ? god possibly 2 of them together lol
I saw ‘A Star is Born’ Friday evening. It was a well acted movie with a lot of good music. Bradley Cooper was far from appealing in that role. He looked dirty and greasy the whole time and played a very unhealthy character. He did it well. I did not feel any real chemistry between them however. Many of the audience cried. Normally, I would have been among them. I see nothing wrong at crying when you identify with the characters and the story, however I felt a disconnect. Great movie though. I recommend.
Good because I’m going to see that movie tonight.
Abrokenwing, enjoy. I was listening to the soundtrack this morning on my way to work. There really was a lot of good music.
Hi MB ,
I went to see this movie with the same friend as I went to see LaLaLand with. I cried my eyes out then and this time I was doing so well … until the last scene and song. She just smiled and shook her head.
I really like the soundtrack too.
I’m glad you enjoyed it ABW. I haven’t seen LaLaLand. I could use a good cry. Maybe I’ll rent that one. I didn’t cry on A Star is Born. I didn’t feel a realistic chemistry between the two of them. That song is very sad and I think that was the tear jerker. I am still enjoying the soundtrack.
I love this! This is so true!
He may be a narcissist but I’d bed him in a minute. Maybe maybe even a blow job on the first date—yet that’s a stretch..
I watched this film whilst on holiday and I loved it!
I found Bradley Cooper highly attractive in this physically… obviously his character was a bit shady but even then I still found him attractive. He is soooo HOT!!! His eyes are so blue.
I don’t think of him as a Narc – Gaga possibly.
But I loved this film and I totally sobbed at the end – it got me and I couldn’t stop the tears. I even waited to leave the cinema so I was last one out and nobody could see my mascara smudged.
If he is a Narc … shame.
Sorry if this had posted twice I didn’t realise there was a follow-up article…
I have just recently found this site – very interesting stuff.
I don’t mean to sound cruel (and I’m not saying Harry deserves the treatment he is likely to get) but I am fascinated with how this is going to play out. I mean if, as you suggest, she does have narcissistic tendencies we have a royal narcissist on the world’s stage, acting her little socks off and believing she is fooling everyone with her incredible talent. It’s bizarre but quite enthralling.
My question is: what does she do next? What I mean is, once she has given birth to their baby she has reached her limit surely? She can’t climb any higher up the pole – short of bumping off William and his kids she is never going to be queen so what then, try it on with Charles?
Will her narcissistic traits allow her to be satisfied with her position and the power she has over Harry or is she always going to be striving for more – power, attention, wealth, position, admiration? Where does it end?
Any thoughts on what’s next for RMM?
My opinion, Gaga is a Super Empath. Watch her documentary. She has narcissist traits, but she is empath all the way. She even has fibromyalgia, and has chronic pain when she “feels too much emotionally”, then feels bad for people who are in the same position, but without the same resources. I don’t have an opinion of Bradley Cooper being a narc or not, but he seems highly drawn to her, and she seems like an empath who would be a good source of positive and challenge fuel.
Interesting your thoughts on Ga Ga, Bradley Cooper does seem very drawn to her , in all their joint interviews and red carpet appearances , he’s almost in awe of her , gazing at her !!
I think you are super wrong. I think she is super fake, and highly manipulative and did all she could for fame. I was at her concert in 2009/2010, and it was the worst concert ever. But what was the most disgusting, beyond her terrible songs and singing, was how she was trying to buy gay public and people with mental health issues, by saying to them, we are all little monsters, and i accept you for who you are. As those poor guys really didn’t feel accepted they bought into her and thought she is genuine. If you have to cover yourself with raw meat to get noticed, you know you are hungry for fame. On another note, Bradley is a narcissist too. I was watching a video on Youtube about the reasons why he broke up with Irina and the things the narrator of the video mentioned were super related to the dedication at the movie the Star is Born and it strongly resonated with what I’ve been through with my ex narc boyfriend and how he behaved during his important work project. Irina was a trophy to him and in the beginning he thought she has everything to make him happy, but she is too meek, and not talented enough in terms of art, at least not on the outside and he didn’t appreciate her. Also, remember Irina is Eastern European, which means coming from patriarchic families, which means obedience from the woman. Irina is also an empath, because she has dated another narcissist, Christiano Ronaldo, you can see the tendency she has. Back to the narcissist and Cooper – they will do everything for more money, more fame, and gaga is very similar to him, they both together can be this super successful and highly talented couple in the eyes of the public. What i also feel, that Cooper showed himself in the movie, his past addiction to drugs and alcohol, because when i journalist from Irish Times asked him in the interview (to be found here: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/a-star-is-born-bradley-cooper-isn-t-really-into-talking-to-me-1.3644754) did he source the inspiration from, he was super avoidant and didn’t want to talk about it and said stuff like there is wound of just being alive (which my ex used to say a lot and similar stuff about life). Bradley isn’t necessary only bad, my ex used to kill himself with drugs and alcohol, and then work to forget who he is because he actually deeply hates himself. And this shows remorse. But Lady gaga is I think worse then him, completely manipulative of her public, much less remorseful and thus extremely successful, and i think cooper found his “monster” soulmate in her. Or maybe ” ” aren’t needed. Tell me what you guys think.
Hi M,
You have expressed some very valid observations and conclusions. I just wanted to tell you I appreciate hearing your perspectives. I am hesitant to label either of the aforementioned individual’s personality as my Narc-dar will never be up to snuff. But, you have inspired me to be brave and say…Oprah, I think, is one, also. Thanks M for sharing comments!
I never had a chance to look more deeply into her behaviour, what are the signs? But of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if she is one, based on her achievements.
M,
1. All good deeds, a plethora of which are shared publicly for the purpose of self aggrandizement, emanate from her. As her friend Gail King says (paraphrasing), ” Oprah is always reaching down to help others up the ladder”. I would venture to say HG’s ANGEL’S w/ DIRTY FACES is a good summary of this behavior.
2. Her show was called OPRAH, her production company is called HARPO, her network is called OWN. Another famous narcissist, Donald Trump, also has the propensity to name his buildings after himself. It is often referred to as a method of monumentalizing or establishing one’s legacy (which HG has written about on the blog).
3. Years ago, on her show, she interviewed Dave Chapelle after he had a mental breakdown of sorts and on another episode, Luther Vandross (after he suffered a catastrophic stroke). Her conversations with and the showcasing of these celebrities during some of the most vulnerable times in their lives reveals her propensity to prosper from the sufferings of another. She capitalizes on the rise and fall of anybody rich and famous.
4. She inherently seems to believe that she is of moral superiority: see the Lance Armstrong video that GETTING THERE referenced in her comment to your Ga Ga and Bradley assessment. This interview is one of dozens where she believes herself to be conducting a journalistic interview, operative word here is believes.
5. If you do not do what she says or do not sufficiently schmooze her crew, there will be a price to pay (Mo’Nique debacle with Tyler Perry, Will Packard, Lee Daniels).
6. She has stated she does not like babies (maybe even young children). Now I can see not wanting children, but WTF did a baby ever do to her…oh yea, take time and attention away from her.
7. All interviews are centered around the notion that the person(s) are being interviewed by OPRAH.
8. Jeff Bezos, Megan Markel…new, improved, suitable, and targeted “friends”.
M, I am a one fingered typer and that finger is very tired. I could go on and on, and I may be very wrong…but, until HG reveals his assessment, my Narcdar says Oprah is an Upper Middle Range Elite (if Elite means both somatic and cerebral).
Thanks for “listening”!
Hello, M& EL. I appreciate your input on Gaga and Cooper. I didn’t know that about Gaga. I believe both are highly narcissistic if not narcissists. I agree that Irina is a magnet for narcissists and hope she finds a non narcissist next, if she does decide to go into another relationship. I think Oprah is highly narcissistic. I didn’t think much about it until I heard Bill Burr talk about Oprah’s reaction to Lance Armstrong’s doping. I don’t understand Super Empaths so maybe his point fits into that description, but I struggle with that being the case.
Hi M,
There are couple of mistakes in my comment that are bothering me. My self diagnosed dyslexia resulted in the misspelling of Meghan Markle’s last name. Also, I should have said “one finger typer” not some pornographic “fingered typer”. I’m too old and tired to be pornographic! Like a true CoD I am rehashing my comment in my mind to reassure myself I haven’t created any misunderstandings.
I do, using a different finger (I realize how talented I appear, haha) want to add two more recent incidences as evidence for my speculation that O is indeed a narcissist.
1. She saddled her name and fame to the recent Michael Jackson documentary that premiered at Sundance in 2018/19 by way of securing an interview with the creators, which aired directly after the documentary’s TV debut. Mind you, the documentary had already received much publicity well before said TV premiere, and the subject matter could not be disputed by a dead man. Now, it is not about the truth of the documentary, but that Oprah steps in as the social justice warrior only when there is minimal legal or financial repercussions. Again, she profits off another’s pain, she is the “hero” allowing them to tell their story. She gives them permission to speak their “truth”. Where the hell was she years ago when Michael Jackson was paying millions to his alleged victims…to give either side an opportunity to tell their story.
2. Recently, she left 60 MINUTES show because she (paraphrased) was “asked to put less of her personality into her stories and interviews”. She was a correspondent for CBS and being a worker bee does not suit her personality. Again, her journalistic style manifests as Oprah interviewing somebody, anybody, nobody. Just that Oprah is in the spotlight.
Is Sarah Ferguson one of your kind, HG?
No.
How about Katie Price, HG? She has a special needs son that she seems to genuinely love. And, yet, she is “kardashian” in her pursuit of celebrity. Maybe the mass adulation of the fans mimics the rush someone craves from engaging in an intimate relationship. For example, “I am loved, I am wanted, therefore I matter.”
Narcissist.
I’ve thought that about Katie Price for a while now, there’s always been something odd about her personality and of course now narcissist explains it. I’ve also noticed how difficult she’s finding the ageing process, she’s completely unravelling and getting worse and more out of control with her behaviour , her life is a complete car crash
Prince philip i think is and he despises her.
I read at princess eugenies wedding sarah was upset that meghan and harry announced the pregnancy.
Was discussing this with my daughter only yesterday. She thinks that her behaviour shows narcissist behaviour. And stealing attention from Eugenie, also Prince Harry has a wound yes. One day he will realise, poor Harry.
I thought maybe Princess Diana was a Narcissist? Who knew how to play empathy card for favourable public opinion or was she Supernova-ing at times? x x
HG are you in Australia doing close protection work? (Rhetorical question) … x x
G’day sport.
Dear Orginal Overthinker AND
Mr Tudor,
The popular Aussie greeting is ….
“g’day mate” …..not…..”g’day sport”
“Sorry mate”
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
Hello Original Overthinker
You may find this comment helpful.
HG Tudor
MAY 19, 2018 AT 12:08
Charles is. I recall that he had a tough time at Gordonstoun and when a child and returned during the holidays to his parents, Prince Philip met him with a handshake, no hug or warmth, so it is hardly a surprise he became one. He is notoriously difficult to work for, ill-tempered and obstinate. Diana had narcissistic traits but she was clearly a borderline, he empathy was genuine. She was manipulative but only in response to the way she was treated, she did not land the first blow.
https://narcsite.com/2018/05/17/a-very-royal-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comments
Thank you K …. I remember the Martin Bashir interview .. x x
My pleasure Original Overthinker!
she is proper empath person, that’s why she was dumped, when have you ever seen narcissist being out of the game?
Not Cinderella…
I would be embarrassed about my family if they appeared like hers.. I wouldn’t invite them to such a big event either. Maybe I’m more narcissistic than empath—at least today I feel that way. Seriously though, the half brother is a low life domestic abuser and the half sister is just a joke in general. Thank goodness my family is not so humiliating.
I had a feeling that she might be a narcissist. I don’t like her. Prince Harry will probably escape devaluation with all of the fuel and residual benefits that she can get from that marriage.
I remember the first time you posted and I have a few other points to add.
1) She had no long-term friends at the wedding– only newish ones from TO with nice public impressions! Where were her friends she has had for 20 years? Oh right they got traded in.
2) She walked in alone! No attendant no nasty ‘Pippa’ stand-in to steal the scene from the back- just her! Just her alone- all eyes on ME- ME
3) Sadly, I agree poor Harry may just end up with a horrible life!!!!
@Empressi Janinia Gavinkar, friends for 20 years. Abigail Spencer, friends for 15 years. Jessica Mulrooney 15 years. That’s only 3 that I noticed in pictures. Meghan has a close knit group of longtime friends. Your comments are not based on fact. Also, Meghan Markle walked in alone because her father decided he wasn’t going to walk her down the aisle. It was her and Harry’s wedding of course the attention should be on her and Harry. A bride walking in the church, that is a moment that is always about the bride.
I’m feeling in the minority here because I’ve actually wondered this about Meghan. I’ll wonder no more, you made a strong case. I, too, feel sorry for Harry.
That’s sad because you bring up a lot of good points for your case. But sad because of course you don’t want it to be true you want them to be happy you want to like her you don’t want Prince Harry to be taken advantage of and go through hell at the hands of this narcissist woman. Time will tell the damage and hurt that will inevitably occur in Prince Harry’s life
It’s very interesting reading your views on this HG and I would say she probably is a narcissist otherwise your radar would not even be alerted to this if you thought she absolutely was not. One of the things that stands out to me is how quickly he fell for her. Yes, it could be timing, age or just meeting the right one But this is a man that will have been exposed to so many women of class, fame, beauty, intelligence , common interests etc etc and yet this woman so quickly became the one. Also her levels of confidence are off the scale even the engagement interview …. she was running the show. Not to mention the complete weirdness of her whole family being cut off. Her family may not have been given the best support in handling the media , but I do not believe this is an oversight from the machine that is the Royal Family media managers , but must be the wishes of Meghan herself , not to involve them. There is actually nothing special about Meghan at all, the only exceptional thing about her is that she has managed to become part of the British Monarchy in a ridiculously short time. That’s the biggest red flag to me….
It’s only been 24 hours and I’m sick of hearing about the pregnancy already. I think she is “consolidating her assets”, so to speak. It’s so much harder to get rid of her if she’s the mother of his child(ten), and she will realise that.
I’ve always thought the young royals faced an uphill battle in choosing spouses. No one who is quiet, private, and humble would want the job. They are stuck being chased by fame seekers and narcissistic types. The type of person who craves life under that microscope and eats up all the attention — good and bad — is often someone in love with their own reflection. It has been said of royals of earlier generations that they were concerned about losing their private lives when marrying into the family, but more recent additions seem to want no private life at all and to see and be seen as often as possible. I have a hard time imagining this situation ending up very differently than it has.
Bizarre this as I was going to delve into the stacks and comment. But i got waylaid.
I personally think the issue is not that she’s pregnant, it’s how the announcement has been managed. If my understanding is correct, it was announced privately at the reception. That’s very VERY bad form. Grabbing the spotlight on what should have been Eugenies’ day. What difference would it have made to have held back a few days?
Then you see Merkle smiling away in Oz. What a surprise.
I like Eugenie. She looks genuinely happy. Her new H looks like a self satisfied little prick. Her sister, poor Bea, life will not be kind to her. Both of them are listening to the wrong people.
Fergie. Thought she looked great. Redheads always look fab in emerald. I rather suspect that she is a SE who has birthed two Es. Randy Andy is a raving N. As is his reptile of a father. The Queen. I think maybe a normal actually. She doesn’t really present strongly in either schools of bretheren.
Charles….victim victim…A middle. Useless. Camilla? Yeah….
HG, she didn’t graduate from North West University, because she never went there. She went to Northwestern University. NWU and NU are two different schools, two different locations. And I’m sure she graduated because, if she hadn’t, it would have blown up in the media over here. That’s just too easy to check. Sarah Ferguson only posted 2 pics of the wedding — (I checked, because I missed the wedding, so I was hoping to see a bunch of photos) — it was the Duke of York’s account that had more pictures. Side note, appropo of nothing, from the pictures I saw, Kate had the best dress, Megan had the best veil, and Eugenie is the most gorgeous of the three. Maybe they released the baby news early because RMM looked dowdy by comparison at Eugenie’s wedding.
“Maybe they released the baby news early because RMM looked dowdy by comparison at Eugenie’s wedding”.
Which proves the point of her displaying narcissistic behavior. No normal person try’s to upstage the bride at her own wedding.
I probably should have said :
“ No normal person try’s to upstage a bride during or after their wedding.”
Hi Sophie,
” she didn’t graduate from North West University, because she never went there. She went to Northwestern University. NWU and NU are two different schools, two different locations. ”
Façade management. When I was still in contact with my in-laws, they used to tell anyone who would listen that my late father-in-law was a Civil Engineer from one of the top universities in this country. His ‘profession’ also appears in birth certificates and in other official documents. Apparently, there is no reason to question it. However, I thought this was pretty odd considering my in-laws’ education and other things I do not want to get into. When my late husband realized that his family was dysfunctional, he wanted to know the truth.
The university sent all the information they had about my father-in-law. I must say that it was not easy to get it due to data protection regulations in this country. Anyway, he had dropped out of his course and never had a degree.
My in-laws also have a few ‘dark’ secrets.
Meghan is pregnant now. It may be just my opinion, but I thought the pregnancy has happened very soon after the wedding. Still, neither of them are getting any younger I suppose.
They currently look like happy, joyful newlyweds, but every time I see them in the news or see them together in photos etc, I can’t help thinking of this article and looking for any tell-tale signs. That’s your fault HG…
I’m just throwing this in on the thread and it’s not particularly in response to anyone specific.
It may be Megan is allowing a pregnancy to happen quickly to bind Harry to her.
On the other side of the token, the Royals are expected to breed and produce little Princes and Princesses. Megan is 37. Her biological clock is ticking. Having gone thru 5 years of infertility prior to the age of 35 I can only imagine she wouldn’t want to be pushing 40 and have IVF treatments leaked in the tabloids. Lol
No matter how far women advance, one thing remains a constant. Our eggs become less viable after 35. High risk pregnancies are more prevalent over 35. Risks for things like Down Syndrome are higher. Harry and Megan both said from the get go they want a family and kids. I’m not surprised at all that they got on the Baby Making Express fast. They actually really needed to.
The expectancy of creating issue is only critical to the immediate heirs – William has children therefore there is no royal imperative for Harry to do so.
I think if Meghan was still a jobbing actress working on suits , with little or no chance of ever becoming an A list star as such, there would be no maternal instincts kicking in, biological clock or not.
I feel for Harry. I wonder how soon he will be able to work it all out. And….what the hell is he going to do about it, if anything. Hmmm
Shes preggers now…
When I saw the title I thought it was about you 😘
Ha ha, that would be A Very God-Like Narcissist.
Silly me, of course! SMH!
My apologies to his grace, Hurt God, all that is heavenly goodness. I shall take 30 whacks and a good licking.. er.. beating.