The Greater Narcissist – Five Facts
The five central questions have been applied in respect if the Lesser and Mid-Range of our kind, but what of the Greater Narcissist? How do these five essential questions about the behaviour of the narcissist apply to him or her?
1.Do We Know What We Are Doing?
The Greater Narcissist is gifted (though of course his or her victims will not regard it as such) with an awareness of what he or she is. The greater of our kind knows that they are different. They know that they have this insatiable hunger for the outpouring of emotion, whether positive or negative, from those around them. The greater knows that there is a feeling of emptiness which pervades. Whilst the lesser has this manifest as sense of unease and irritation, the greater feels a yawning chasm which must be filled. The lesser operates by instinct, a knee-jerk response. The Greater Narcissist also operates through instinct but there is nothing knee jerk about him or her. This instinct is attuned in the sense of selecting the victims who will haemorrhage fuel. This instinct enables the most effective seduction, the most devastating devaluation and the most callous of discards. The instinct for scenting fuel and those who will provide it serves the Greater Narcissist considerably. He has an instinctive knack for selecting the best hunting grounds, an innate ability to target the most productive victims, a chilling capability to extract and exploit information and to cause people to think that what they are doing is a good thing and one they wish to take when in fact the Greater Narcissist is manipulating them. The Greater Narcissist is aware that he or she is different from other people. He or she knows that their emotional spectrum has been stunted or as we prefer to regard it, altered to achieve maximum efficiency in our machinations. The Greater Narcissist knows he operates in a different world to other people and revels in such a special status. He or she knows that they are superior, admired and feared.
- Do We Know We Hurt Others?
Unlike the instinctive response of the Lesser Narcissist or the instinctive but more controlled moderate reaction of the Mid-Ranger, the Greater Narcissist knows that he or she is an instrument that inflicts pain. Whether it is the withdrawal of something wonderful or delightful or the imposition of something unpleasant and hateful the Greater Narcissist knows that they hurt. They regard every action taken in this regard, every step, every machination as necessary for their survival and advancement. The Greater Narcissist fervently believes in the doctrine that the end always justifies the means. Pain, misery and hurt are by-products of the process which he or she must engage in. The inflicting of hurt on another person is regarded as a collateral consequence of the need to obtain fuel. The Greater Narcissist knows that during devaluation and the malign hoovers that the application of his or her behaviours is specifically directed to cause hurt. You will take the view that he or she does not care and you are correct in that view since the Greater Narcissist, like all narcissists is not created to care. What you ought to understand though is that this failure to care is actually secondary to the need to acquire fuel. If all that mattered was the inability to care, then we would administer hurtful behaviour all of the time. The reality is, the order of priority is that fuel must be obtained and during devaluation this causes hurt to other people and furthermore we are not designed to care about this hurt. By contrast, someone who is manipulating a dislocation back into place knows that pain will be occur but is a necessary consequence of the act. The difference is that this medic or doctor will care that the person is being put in pain and also seek to address that once the dislocation has been addressed.
- Do We Act Deliberately?
Everything that is done by the Greater Narcissist is deliberate. The lesser responds as a matter of course. The Mid-Ranger is largely governed by instinct but with a degree of control available to them they can consider what action to take and do so with a sense of purpose but this pales compared to the behaviour of the Greater Narcissist. The actions that are taken are planned. The seduction is orchestrated from careful target selection, the reconnaissance of the subject and the gathering of information is organised and the seduction is methodical and deliberate. The Greater Narcissist does not speak without first considering how effective those words are. Are they to be used to elevate or denigrate? Praise or punishment? Elated or eroded. Like some great architect in the sky the Greater Narcissist, in accordance with his god-like view of him or herself sees other people as chess pieces which are moved in accordance to his or her wishes to cause check mate. The Greater Narcissist purposefully manipulates everybody around him or her. Each person has a role, a position and a purpose. The Greater Narcissist acts with considerable deliberation and indeed this need to position and pose all the players in the narcissist’s world results in the need to control being overwhelming. To be this deliberate in manipulating other people requires a significant degree of control over other people and therefore the Greater Narcissist will exercise his or her skills to achieve that outcome. The Greater Narcissist regards the manipulation of others as a game and one which is enjoyable to engage in.
- Can We Control This Behaviour
Not only is the Greater Narcissist an expert in the control of others he exerts considerable control over his own behaviour. His higher functioning allows him considerable latitude to pass the blame onto others and feign an inability to control what he does.
“I don’t know what comes over me sometimes.”
“It as if something else takes control of me.”
“I cannot help it, it just happens.”
“It is like there is some other force that makes the decisions for me.”
All of these comments are lies. The Greater knows he lies but does not care. He sees the lies as necessary to provoke his prey, to tie them up in knots, to hurt them and to bewilder them. He finds lying entertaining, part of the game he engages in and a tool. The Lesser and Mid-Ranger also lie extensively but those lies are their truth. They do not know they are lying and any evidence that is shown to them is automatically rejected by the application of the narcissist’s twin lines of defence, Denial and Distraction & Deflection. The Lesser and Mid-Range believe their lies, cannot be persuaded otherwise and will always maintain them because to them they represent their truth from their perspective. The Greater knows he or she lies, revels in doing so and does not care that he or she lies because it is deemed necessary.
The Greater Narcissist is able to direct his ignited fury to a level and extent beyond the capability of others of our kind. This is why often cold fury is exhibited by Greater Narcissists as we are able to control the ignited fury so that it does not emerge as heated fury and rarely does it show in the form of physical violence. Such a reliance on such brutality through physical action is regarded as beneath the Greater Narcissist and is an insult to his Machiavellian mind. The Greater Narcissist revels in his higher function allowing him to devise and apply far subtler and rewarding manipulations. He or she is also mindful of the consequences of providing damning physical evidence of the abuse. The only time this formidable control weakens is when the Greater Narcissist is thrown into Chaos Mode as a consequence of a sudden and unseen cessation to his or her primary source of fuel.
5 Can We Stop It?
The Greater Narcissist could stop his or her behaviour owing to the degree of control that he or she is able to exert but whilst there is the capability to stop this behaviour, both benign and malign, the Greater Narcissist will not do so. Firstly, this is because the Greater Narcissist sees no need to. Why stop something that is highly effective and serves a purpose in allowing him or her to shine and function at some an impressive (to him or her) level? Why halt doing something which always delivers? Secondly, the Greater Narcissist will not stop this behaviour because the malevolence which runs through him or her will not allow him to do so. Why give up such a delightful way of manipulating someone? Why relinquish such power over an individual? Why stop flexing those machinations? Why stop doing something that is both necessary but also enjoyable? The lesser does because he is programmed to always respond in such a fashion. Choice has been removed from his thought process. The Mid-Ranger does because he realises it is necessary for his survival but there is not enjoyment or malice driving the behaviour, it is mainly instinct allied with some awareness that the actions needs to be done because that makes the Mid Ranger feel “better”.
The Greater does because he or she can. The Greater does because he or she is driven by the furious malice which burns at the centre of the narcissist. This malice arises because the higher functioning Greater Narcissist is more aware than the others of his brethren just how unfair and brutal the world is. He is attuned to its attempts to depose and dethrone and he knows that engendering and harnessing this malice is entirely necessary for the purpose of protection. It is better to strike first than be struck. It is better to get the retaliation in first. He who dares wins. The Greater is a dangerous individual because not only does he regard what he does as entirely necessary, he is driven not only by the need for fuel but by the malice that is wrapped around his core. This means he goes further, longer, stronger and more often than others of his kind. He is the defiler, the punisher and the destroyer of worlds. Your worlds.
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HG
Can an upper mid range female play her family ( the whole family) like chess pieces to get what she wants?
I would need more information to provide you with an accurate analysis and therefore a consultation is the appropriate forum.
Thank you for this website. I cannot express how helpful it’s been to me recently. I’m a dirty empath who leaks fuel like a bullet-ridden tanker truck, the daughter of a mid-range narcissist, married to a covert narcissist, and currently a lily-white shelf IPSS to an outstanding Greater Narcissist. I’ve concluded that narcissists are my preference and my masochistic comfort zone. I’m resigned to it, while knowing it is not recommended.. but having an idea of what’s coming next has lifted a considerable weight. Thank you, HG Tudor!
You are welcome.
Sarai well said.
I’ve noticed a lot of positive fuel around these parts since I have been reading your blog. I have said thank-you before and shown some appreciation of my own however I see that while I look to see the good in others I don’t go around throwing compliments left right and center either. Admiration, like other traits, comes softly. I suspect this might have something to do with what kind of N I might attract?
HG, are greaters more atune to attracting magnetic empaths since they exhibit words first and then actions/behaviour or *fuel is fuel, is fuel* for the UMMRN and greater???
Yes we are more attuned to the attraction of magnetic empaths because we as Greaters are attracted to them.
I see the relationship there now. Yes, the magnetic makes sense now and why I’ve only ever been bullied by the MMRN and UMRN. It seems I am a Carrier empath so that’s why you and I shall never cross paths. 👍
Why isn’t the greater seen as cowardly?
The MMR is seen like this due to having a victim mentality and *good* persona who gets others to do his dirty work but if the GN are in need of lieutenants or “runners” and such, how is that not also a cowardly, or at best, not able to stand on your own two feet.
Because the Greater is not cowardly, he is calculated and clever, he will also take direct action and not ride the activity of others. Delegation to avoid detection is not cowardice.
“Not ride the activity of others”
Thanks. That was an informative light bulb moment. 👍
Pleasure.
“Because the Greater is not cowardly, he is calculated and clever, he will also take direct action and not ride the activity of others. Delegation to avoid detection is not cowardice.”
Helps me with something.
I watched Leaving Neverland the last two days. It was four hours long and …Jesus Christ. I feel dirty.
JESSRNNY, You and I must be on the same TV/Netflix schedule. I also watched Leaving Neverland. It was devastating.
Jessrnny
Oprah did an interview with the two men and the man who made the documentary following the second part in case you wanted to look that up.
Thank u
My brother in law, I’m still unsure if he’s an Upper Lesser or a Greater. Thankfully he lives in another state so I don’t have to deal with him. He has an unapologetic bad ass persona so I don’t think that he’s a Mid-Ranger. I have never seen him play the victim card. He’s neutral when it comes to politics and religion. He doesn’t look like he even cares but he seems flexible depending on who he is talking to. His wife is a total empath, very sensitive, kind, patient but also has a temper. He has this weird friendship with a really attractive and much younger woman who visits them at their house often but he seems to have a special affection for. He showed me a picture of her in his computer that he took and he was editing and it just seemed weird. If I understand what a magnet empath correctly, she would be a magnet empath. My narcy stepdaughter hated her when they attended the wedding of the stepson of my BIL. My narcy stepdaughter accused this lady of flirting with her dad (I wasn’t in the picture yet at that time) and my narcy stepdaughter said that this woman is so ugly (she’s not, she’s gorgeous) and that she is cheap trying to flirt with her dad and all of the men at the reception. It infuriated my BIL and up to now they are not talking. He looks like an Upper Lesser because he can be a bully but he has way more control and with his fury, in fact whenever I saw him get wounded, he never went on a tirade but instead he would make insulting jokes or triangulation. My husband loves him but he has expressed frustration about how everything has to be about him. I talked to him about narcissism before and he doesn’t seem to know much about it. He is amazingly smart though. He became a VP of one of the biggest Silicon Valley companies even though he didn’t go to college. He just learned about computers (which was a new technology at that time) while he was in the army. He became one of the best hackers for the government at one point in his career. Although now his skills are not that good anymore since he is retired. I actually really like him, he helps a lot of people but I prefer to stay away from him because he also sometimes try to get negative fuel from me whenever we visit him.
Fascinating!
Was Ted Bundy a greater?
I bet HG doesn’t find Ted all that special. Not a greater. An upper lesser with somatic qualities.
So true.
HG
And i think that is why greater narcs feel and act on total entitlment, and is effective.
Are all greater narcs considering themselves, great, exaulted and magnificient?
Not considering, we are, Maru.
We are too (superempaths) 😉
Yes of course
😉
HG
Like fallen angels then, seems to me.
Of course it is not considered falling for your kind.
of course he doesn’t like me knowing his game and he still manage to confuse me ( a real master of manipulation) but when i call him “narcisista adorabile ” (adorable narcissist) to ‘sincerely’ flatter, then he doesn’t mind.
HG , or if not sexual , does it pump you full of adrenaline , dopamine , excitement , jaw clinching excitement ?
It is fuel which pumps me fuel of power.
HG
Excellent. Adding Penis Pump and Power Supercapacitor to the CV.
You do not do excitement, isn’t that correct HG? So it would be fuel pumps you full of arousal and power?
Yes.
HG , is there also a sexual thrill to the control and manipulation …does it make your dick hard ?
Depends on the context – the manifestation of a sexual response is purely a response to the power experienced from fuel and this response occurs in order to use it to gain additional power through sex.
Hg .. but is it that mid rangers don’t get that response …they are big babies …just wanting mommy’s ? Or is that different for each MR
They are cowardly and passive aggressive, the MMR is the biggest pussy of the MRs.
I can see that … his boyish shyness years ago is what I was attracted to . His seemingly drunken helplessness and false victim hood of being used by his family for labor was the story he would tell. This had me helping him out and made me feel like his defender but I recognized his talents as a wood worker and craftmen when I was in art school .
Where is the MMR described in detail?
Good God they are. They torment the safest kind of victims; children, women and old people. God, I despise them.
You’d never catch them playing a sport which involves body contact for example.In fact, the ONLY two sports PN would indulge in were tennis – where he would deliberately serve the ball to LV MN to think it was ‘amusing’ to have her run all over the court and of course, shooting. He could’t even ride a bicycle. He despised motorbikes which was fully hilarious as both bro and I owned them.
I have no idea whether he was a good shot or not. I never saw him handle a firearm and for all I know, he stole the targets from another club member. In fact, maybe what I am about to say next could help someone else.
Many years ago, PN got drunk with brother. Said he was so unhappy that he wanted to blow his brains out. Many years later, when PN started to stalk me, a PC came to my house and we talked about his character etcs. I repeated the story to him. He told me – if WE had known about that at the time, we would have immediately revoked his license.
So romantic ….. “the manifestation of a sexual response” …
Ava It’s the intelligent mans way of saying it. Very classy! 🧐
Hehe @ foolme1time
Sounds like a clinician’s way of saying it. I can just imagine HG putting some poor fuel source under a microscope to look for evidence of a sexual response.
Oops, I missed part of the original comment (was in my email). I guess HG will be putting himself under a microscope.
HG, have you had more “chemistry” (sexual and in gêner) with some of your IPPSs than with others or have they all been the same because chemistry is not important to you?
I guess it is the latter but I want to ask anyway.
It is inescapable that the chemistry will have differed but the important fact is that with all of them it was high enough to mean they became the IPPS.
I have never been an IPPS. Thank god. But I did feel we had amazing chemistry. I think if u wise up u can catch the narc and run before u become IPPS.
Makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
So you also use chemistry (sexual) to determine if one would become your IPPS?
HG, Have you watched the true crime doc series The Staircase on Netflix and the BBC podcasts about the same case called Beyond Reasonable Doubt? Someone in the first two podcast episodes describes Michael Peterson as a narcissist. He is also described as charming, very intelligent, controlling, etc. He comes across at different moments as all of those things in the documentary. I don’t know if he killed his wife (probably) but if he is a narc, he sounds like a Greater, so I am wondering what you think.
I have not although another reader made reference to the Staircase and that it may involve a narcissist.
i feel peterson is a somatic narc. That was why he wlays married hot new young women. There is an interview of him and his new gf. It’s super interesting to watch he seems so charming. Then later talking very manipulative.
Brilliant. I’ve been esnared by one of your kind and I can certify that’s exactly how he thinks and behaves. From a philosophical perspective I can fully understand it. If love has been denied to you, then life is meaningless…and you just have to survive and enjoy as much as possible. All the rest of us…are nothing but instruments to help you in this proposse.
Once again…I’m sorry for you. I can’t think of a worse punishment than being unable to love.
No need to be sorry (although I understand your compassion in that regard) but it isn’t a concern for us.
Understandable since you don’t have an idea of what you are missing…I like your mind anyway, your epic and oneiric thinking.
That is correct and thank you.
Question for HG: Would a Greater ever explain the conniving, clever way the he took on someone, say, a former colleague?
My ex-narc told me a story about he slyly and successfully wrote someone out of a contract. The person didn’t know she would be out of a job within a few short months due to his sleight of hand until “poof!” she was gone.
I ask because I wonder, “Why would a Greater let on the details his sneakiness?”
My guess is he is a little messy for telling me and therefore is an upper mid-ranger.
*took revenge on (Apologies for not proofreading.)
You are correct, a Mid Range Narcissist would engage in boasting about this (apparent) success.