Personally I don’t think tops with I am a super empath emblazoned on front would look that great.
It would be like wearing a shirt that says I am great etc .A bit weird.
The ones HG has done are fab as they reflect the experience not I am this that etc.
It is enough to know what you are if you are a super empath ,no need to show the world everything and some might see it as a bit egotistical and odd.
Maybe someone already mentioned this, but I really need a mug that says “GOSO,” perhaps designed with GO on the first line and SO directly underneath it. I’d buy that in an instant.
All I know is: I’ve been in this bloody dungeon for a couple of years since this venture was first mentioned with a spinning wheel and a mountain of the finest of empath hair.
These are awesome HG. I’m having a bit of trouble trying to work out what to go for. Whilst I do that, I have a few suggestions as to logos for you.
Who pinched your bagel?
I hate James Cordon
HG Tudor certified Empath – for those that have done the E detector
#Ithrewamiddlerangeroffabalconytoday
Back the fuck out of my Sphere 1
For my SE chums
No, I’m not a fucking narcissist you tosser
SuperEmpath and Proud
Don’t make me Supernova!
NarcAngel
I kept trying to remember who requested the arm! Dreams do come true after all! What would we like next? I’m curious as to what socks he wears…
NA, I’m more mesmerized by the plane dashboard.This will make me completely paranoid every time I fly now, thinking HG is piloting. Talk about ever presence!
Why would you be paranoid? If HG is the pilot he is carrying precious cargo – himself. You can rest assured he wants to land the plane safely if only for himself and his reputation. Thats one of those residual benefits we enjoy.
NA, I would not be scared of landing safely, quite the opposite. I would be paranoid checking every pilote and first officer from now on to find out what HG looks like! I’m not an expert but I don’t think ships have levers in the middle, I’m almost sure this is an aircraft’s cockpit.
SP, Lou – Looks like loo roll/toilet paper where the shift thing should be. Also looks like a very old cockpit. I actually think it is a rocket rather than a plane. Maybe HG is an astronaut. I always thought of MRN as one.
I used to date a military pilot so I remember a few things. He was gorgeous but way too tall, when we walked together I felt like a little ball hanging from the Christmas tree. Apparently his height was at the limit for being accepted to the air academy.
K—an acquaintance has her psychology doctorate and I mentioned the whole thing about borderlines perhaps being basically narcissists and she was more captivated by the emotions associated with “fear of abandonment.” Maybe it is fear of a fuel crisis! They don’t know why they feel so vacant when “abandoned” but it’s a fuel depletion. (??) Food for thought.
Claire
There are two females that I know, who are diagnosed BPD, but, based on their behaviour, I think that they are NPD. They don’t know what they are so what they think is fear of abandonment is most likely a fear of loss of control/fuel and the void.
NarcAngel
Re: precious cargo
I just choked on my drink. Here’s a benefit of narcissism I hadn’t previously considered. I am suprised however that he’s not sitting in the left seat since we all know he’s our captain.
You can tell by the screen it’s a plane as I can see the wing flap control symbol, also double engine thrust control. Buttons for typing in cruise control coordinates etc Embraer E185 cockpit.
We just assume that’s his arm. Maybe he does sit on the left and is taking the picture. The person in either spot left or right I believe is capable of flying the plane. If it is him on the right perhaps he is a Captain and training someone. Maybe he’s neither and just took a pic of the cockpit. So many variables, but again, we see what we want.
I’m not going to France with HG, SP. Only to Norway. Hahaha. (I am kidding – I know you meant SM – I just pointed out to HG that also my real name and SM’s real name both start with L but hey, I was here first.)
Then did you call her by another name before, say, March 2018? That is when I landed here and as far as I know, the initials SM did not make an appearance until about six months ago. So that’s what, 18 months SMH vs 6 months SM on this blog but SMH was not here first? Besides, it was a lighthearted comment – it means nothing – yet you seem to need to burst my bubble. Why?
Somehow this all seems familiar. I hope SM does not one day add an H to her initials!! (That was a joke, HG.)
No, I am pointing out that SM was in my universe before you appeared SMH. Just because I did not mention her by those initials does not mean she was not in the Tudorverse.
I was correcting an inaccuracy, that is all. If that ‘burst your bubble’ so be it. The correction was the aim, the ‘bubble’ is irrelevant to me.
It is relevant to me. ‘Here’ means on this blog. Not in your broader universe. I do know the difference between cyberspace and real life, and I would be very confused were you to show up in royal purple knickers at my flat :).
Dear Mr Tudor,
Congratulations on embarking into the fashion industry …. a definite winner here
I’m a bit past the age of tshirts, hoodies, leggjns, mugs n pillows
However, would classic cashmere style “scarves” be on your agenda by any chance ?
Kindly and as always
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
Another plus I just thought about. We will be able to spot other Tudorites by their t-shirts! If you see somebody sporting a bedazzled and glittered one, that will be me.
Every time I see a unicorn I think of Narcissists….Not because of MB’s gravatar but because in Greek mythology (also later medieval bestiaries) it was thought to be incredibly fierce and violent. You could only catch it if you threw a virgin girl in front of it. Nice though the thought may be that it rested its head with its lovely horn in the young lady’s lap for a cuddle – – but that’s not what it was – or that’s not how it was imagined then. It was quite a violent act and blood was involved…. the unicorn fed from the girl’s lap and then it could be caught.
LC, yikes! 😳 So that’s what the horn is for?!? I need to unsee that visual!
I like unicorns because they are fantasy creatures. Although I know the difference between fantasy and reality, sometimes fantasy is my great escape. I allow myself to imagine, dream, and create without boundaries or limiting thoughts.
Sorry MB, didn‘t want to mess with your visuals, so here is a replacement: unicorn horn was thought to be very precious, and it was used as a cure against pretty much anything. Mostly it helped as a kind of vaccine against death from poison (through the hands of your enemies). Question is of course, seeing that they are fantastic creatures, was there any truth to it?
Here is a snippet from a site, which, incidentally, is called Tudor Trail (and which is why I‘m quoting it):
„ One theory is that many of the horns adorning the tables of kings and queens were actually rhino horn, which in a pinch…would be very useful. Unlike other animal’s horns, a rhino’s horn is 100% keratin and when it comes in contact with some alkaline poisons (for example arsenic) it will bubble. (If you suspect a dash of arsenic in your soup next mealtime, just whip out your rhino horn. It’s a real conversation starter.)“
Queen Elizabeth I paid 10,000 Pounds for a unicorn horn… It‘s still part of the crown jewels.
I reckon it was a Renaissance Midranger who sold her a narwhale tusk for a unicorn horn….
Speaking of which – even if I don‘t have a gravatar I‘d get a mug with a gravatar assembly… All those eyes and masks and things have become very familiar!
LC, thank you so much for all the info! If only I could “by” an encyclopedia, I’d be able to answer these hard questions. (Can you even get encyclopedias anymore?)
I like your style! You should pick a gravatar. Let your personality shine!
It was kinda cool after I checked out, the site suggested I buy a shirt that says “It’s an MB thing you wouldn’t understand”. I imagine others have gotten the same suggestion. You should get some kickback for subsequent sales too. Hopefully, they share!
Wow HG! This is a surprise. I didn’t expect The House of Tudor to look quite like this haha 😀 I expected marble statues and a throne room looking out over rolling hills somewhere!
This is a great way to spread the word of HG Tudor and narcsite. I think I’ll buy a few different mugs and casually replace some of the cups in the kitchen at work…. 😉
Thank you for this. I really like all the different colours. There’s something there for everyone 👏👏👏
Ohhhhh!!! This is awesome HG!!!! What a great idea!!! Of course, I will get a mug and a t-shirt! Love all the designs but the logic defenses “on” is my favorite for a t-shirt, blue, of course 😉 😍
lol this is fantastic, HG. You finally delivered, and ironically at that. And V-necks! Thank you! You went above and beyond. It makes up for your sudden disappearances.
Mentioning my name denotes jealousy…maybe if you took yourself to an educational facility and become something with substance then you wouldn’t be triggered by me. But you have “zingers”. Good for you, little girl, now you can put on a party and disinvite me like the narc mean girl you need to be.
But by an encyclopedia just in case someone asks you a hard question.
My finely attuned Super-Empath spidy sense is telling me PD that you haven’t had a ‘soft’ landing at Narcsite Towers. Did you get up someones’ nose and HG called you a quarterwit? (He does that sometimes).
To be fair though, as NA says, that was a pretty lame burn. Personally, I would’ve gone with ‘Who pinched your bagel?’
There are two types of dissertations, the ones that get written, and the ones that never do. Stop wasting your time and everybody else’s here: CHOP-CHOP!! Call us back for your graduation, we’ll bring you one of HG’s mugs saying GOSO.
Hahaha I think you have plenty of time, HG. She still hasn’t gone past the “Acknowledgments” because she’s finding it hard to find any friends to thank.
I have my moments for sure but I know I’m sliding a slippery slope of assholed’em and choose it anyway. I feel that the lack of filter is with a different flavor of abandon in this case.
Hilarious! Show that side of you! Truthfully—I would never dream of saying “dick sucker” to anyone except for a few select friends and it would be hushed.
I have a friend I grew up with.. She is a teacher and smokes pot daily. (I actually was sent to boarding school out of state for our shenanigans) and she’s a functional
mess. She met some guy in a hotel and his dick was so small she asked for anal sex and he declined the offer and we cracked up
like teenagers. Her stories are hilarious. Being a long standing friend we can discuss all sorts of crap—best sex toys, male sexual performance etc. Typically I’m more reserved. I can’t imagine asking some small penis man for anal sex ever ever ever. I would totally die.
No I did some things (sneaking out, ornery stuff like drinking wine in my parents house) but not to the level of delinquent behavior and absolutely nothing criminal. I was acting out frankly from sexual abuse that I had unresolved emotional reactions to—it’s quite sad to realize what that was about. My behavior was a psychological response to narcissistic behaviors that were very hurtful. I had (have) poor boundaries and was attracted to people that were drinking, partying, etc. There was not much in the way of tolerance for poor behavior in the home. It was a very expensive venture and was a good idea looking back. It was a unique opportunity and I was afforded a ton of experiences. My narc dad spearheaded it and did a good job. He raised suspicion though somehow—I was repeatedly asked by people if he was abusing me. I’m not sure what prompted these inquiries. Ironically he was flagrantly inappropriate but never touched me. I didn’t confess to the inappropriate behaviors when asked. I still am unable to say what he did that was so appalling without being upset. I can vocalize “he was inappropriate” but to discuss I would be emotional and I’m not sure it’s necessary. I can write it in a post here, absolutely because it’s not “face to face” but to be respectful of the environment and the fact it could upset a reader I refrain. I think his behavior allowed “though fuel” for him. Sorry for the long answer to a seemingly benign question!
Claire
I understand and struggle with that sometimes also. Because we are empaths, we are mindful of upsetting or triggering people. I didn’t even realize what that entailed other than a memory when I first arrived here, but at the same time, we are not being completely honest about the origin or extent of the damages from our experiences. It also does not allow us to purge it by releasing it and if you can’t release it here, where can you? It places one in a difficult position.
It does indeed make it difficult. It’s just uncomfortable stuff for sure. Sexual abuse matters can be hurtful to someone—igniting someone else’s trauma is something I’d rather avoid. People don’t remember this stuff at times and I’d hate “here” to be the last place to be derailed if a vulnerability is present. It’s ok, I logically know he was relishing in thought fuel with his behavior. The logic and understanding is good enough. As for the rest of the abuse—who knows? People find many mechanisms to manage trauma. Interestingly I’ve seen them get stuck in it too and I’m not interested in reliving or reprocessing right now. HG has even said he feels anxious (?) discussing hurtful childhood matters in an interview. All of negative experiences suck.
subjects (in an interview)
The abuse should have been addressed and stopped when I was a child; it wasn’t. It’s pointless to bring it up now, for me, however, I can discuss it here so we can learn about the dynamic and its impact on ACONS. Other than that, I don’t really talk about my childhood.
I feel similarly. “Processing” something seems highly overrated. What is there to say? Yeah—it sucks to be a little kid and the subject of perversions you aren’t equipped to understand. It should suck. My dad didn’t start his shenanigans till my young teen years. I just ignored it really. It was a mind fuck for sure.
Absolutely—like what do I have to process? I was already there once and didn’t like it. So, go back and not like it some more? Wish upon a rainbow? I don’t need to find myself, I’ve been here all along. I probably need to continue working on more self respect but if this isn’t trying I don’t know what is!
K—I bought a new mattress yesterday and just woke up. It’s totally narcissist free and not infested with his disgusting essence! Delightful!
Claire
I don’t need to work on myself at all; I am doing great! (toot toot)
The new mattress makes a huge difference! I know the feeling; I am painting all the rooms and there is no MMRN influence in the color choices. It feels so fucking good! My War Room has lost its chalk walls, though, but that’s ok.
It was glorious last night. It was like getting rid of bed bugs. I’m painting everything white. I have the entire scheme picked out. Soft gray/whites/quartz—no narcissistic ass sitting around rooting on a channel changer.
K—I thought of you a few hours ago.. Short story—funeral today for my mom’s sister. Just us in the car and talking. I was bitching about ex’s gambling history, the financial mess he had been. (Whining essentially—not looking for pity but just escalating my emotional thinking—all the crap I do..) She doesn’t realize my dad was a narcissist. Come to find out—he also gambled away heavy six figures in stocks/dumb investments! Gawd! I freaking married my dad. These two men—educated, pay their bills and lose lots of money in pursuit of narcissist nonsense. My mom said, “I always wanted to slap the shit out of him!”
I asked how he responded to her upset—he blew her off. Then the story I’d forgotten about came up. He ordered enough silver from a company in California that it arrived in many boxes one time and it was worth half the value of their modest home. He died and she was stuck with boxes of silver! I’d forgotten but my brother had to deal with it.
These guys are as predictable as gorillas scratching their arm pits. How dumb.
Claire
They are very predictable. It’s really weird, narcissists can be quite gullible and fall prey to fraud and Ponzi/Get Rich schemes, that’s part of their Magical Thinking.
It looks like your mother tried to hold your dad accountable (Challenge Fuel) and, although her upset fuelled him, she made him feel unimportant (this made him feel a lack of control) so he blew her off to draw more fuel (frustration, anger) and assert superiority. The fuel reinforces his sense of self-worth (fuel makes him feel in control) and supremacy has been maintained. All is well in Narc Vegas!
I hope your mother realized some money from all that silver. My lessers collected TY Beanie Babies and got fucked when the craze bottomed out. I thought they were all idiots at the time. 30-year-old women going crazy for stuffed toys. Now I know why: Magical Thinking.
The Great Beanie Baby Bubble: Mass Delusion and the Dark Side of Cute, by Zac Bissonnette was a great book BTW.
Haha! She got it all back. My brother had to get all the boxes and ship them somewhere. He was also obsessed with gemology and investing in precious stones. My oldest daughter has a lock box of such items worth a nice sum that he left her, but normal people don’t typically get into these weird things.
Claire
My father collected coins, stamps and currency from all the countries he visited when he was in the Navy. I gave the stamps to my mother and I kept the coins and currency. My mother collected dolls when I was a teenager and thought they would be worth a fortune. I thought she was mental.
K, my husband’s mother collected dolls and after he died, he thought they would be a fortune. Here they are still because of course, nobody wants to buy that shit. I’m terrified of dolls so I put them in the garage, in their individual boxes. One day I was alone at home, I went down to the garage looking for an umbrella and saw them there. Without wanting to look much, I was ready to go when I noticed something hairy touching my left arm. I instinctively screamed as if I was being murdered, in my head I imagined a Barbie doll with long hair and a knife in her hand, ready to kill me. When I turned around, I saw my dog next to me, licking my arm. I forgot to shut the door upstairs and he followed me downstairs. I was about to have a heart attack.
Sweetest Perfection
Ha ha ha…nobody wants that shit! Ha ha ha….so true! They think it’s so valuable and they are so surprised when they can’t sell it. My mother couldn’t understand why no one was interested in her antique dolls.
Screams of terror = excellent fuel. All those eyes staring at you, like a freak show.
My friends were spooked by the dolls. At night, they were afraid to use the bathroom because they felt like the dolls were watching them walk down the hallway.
K, exactly. I wouldn’t go to the bathroom if I were them. Do you remember the picture HG uses in the article about the interaction with IPPS vs shelved IPSS and current IPSS? It is my most abhorred one, both because of its form (the pic) and its content.
Sweetest Perfection
Yes, I know the picture and it reminded me of my mother’s doll collection.
All those eyes watching you. She tried to foist some of them off on me and I declined. No thanks.
Oh yes but I mean, mine has dark-brown, almost black eyes. And then they stare at you like two black buttons, have you seen the movie Coraline? Very eery.
Claire
It is very common to act out after sexual abuse and hanging out with the wrong crowd, drinking or doing drugs is a coping mechanism; I did the same thing. It’s very sad and no child should have to deal with that shit, ever. Boarding school was like a form of NC; you were out of the house and away from your abuser(s). I am shocked that people suspected you were abused and asked you about it. Many adults ignore it or don’t recognize it.
This is a great quote and I think you will understand it. I do.
HG Tudor
AUGUST 8, 2018 AT 22:38
There comes a point where you understand the past and therefore you must leave the past where it is, rather than continue to examine it.
Being away was great. I have no idea what compelled the questions—it was repeated questioning though. He was raising some eyebrows. I didn’t use drugs except a little pot which is just dumb. (Except I tried cocaine with an ex narcissist in my early 20’s and admittedly it was a blast.). I was also respectful really—but the overall picture was concerning. Grades slipped from
skipping school too. Being away got me mostly back on track (not totally) but I went to college and did fine. I was kinda low key about it all really. I like HG’s quote you found. It’s true. I may even feel the need to bring it up more (somehow/somewhere) but not substantially. I don’t like to feel upset or vulnerable and it creates this uncomfortable feeling which isn’t optimal.
I’ve been placed on new meds for the anxiety and stress and finally….they are working. Along with other things and people, I’m not in that bonecrushing pit of despair I was say 3 months ago.
So yes, was very much thinking on that quote. The problem I’m having atm is the decrease in stress has brought new insights.
I now have a very good idea how my school, the SEs came about. Its shocking. It explains why we are also rare too.
The flashbacks have started again. About my birth family. Just a random incident such as me yesterday folding the cover on a National Geographic. I rarely but them because of the association to PN.
I sit down and suddenly I’m 8 again. I’ve done something wrong. He’s at the top of the stairs and he’s HURLING his NGs down the stairs.
I’m crying. The spines are getting crushed and their covers are breaking as they slither and slide down the stairs.
The next day, I put all of them into order in the cupboard by the stairs.
He’s pleased with me. All is white again. Until the next time. And there was. Next time it was threatening to cut my fingers off if I changed any settings on the tv.
So yeah. I agree. Living in the past serves no one. Those memories need to be explored before they can finally go.
And they are going. From parents. With the big ex, still got a way to go.
Try this. This is where my mind is today and it makes me sick to my stomach
Katana obsession
Obsessed with survival – good too
Expert at ropes and knots
Global knives
Kill Bill
Unwanted pregnancy
American Psycho
Rape and sexual assault
Renarde
I am happy to read that you feel better. Despair is awful, it keeps you stuck and sometimes you need help getting out.
If you can, remove the emotion and try to look at those new insights with logic. Logic allows you to make rational decisions; it won’t steer you wrong. That allows you to gain some control over your life and gives you a sense of security, which should reduce anxiety.
I am very sorry you went through that when you were 8. That was heartbreaking to read. Child abuse and frightened and crying children is unacceptable. You deserved loving parents, not that shit! I was pissed after I read your comment.
All the memories should be looked at and explored and then you have to let go. If not, you will waste years, decades perhaps, and never really live.
Don’t be worried by your list. Fantasies of sharp instruments, rope, survival and American Psycho are coping mechanisms. Keep reading and posting through it. That’s what I did and it worked.
Thank you lovely. I really appreciate your kind words.
Mentally, I am much better but the anxiety even on meds can suddenly peak and I’m left literally shaking. I have to sit down and wait until it subsides. Thankfully there are way more good days than bad days now.
You know that expression, ‘Are you asking the right question?’ Well I havn’t or at least not until a few weeks ago. I started thinking properly and this rapidly led me to a number of conclusions which have taken a while to digest. I’m there now. One of those conclusions is that I probably have c-PTSD. The reason I think that is I dissociate a lot. I let things slide because my brain can’t cope with it. The mind remembers and that’s when I get the flashbacks and intrusive thoughts.
K being a durp. Had a taxing day. Of course, that’s what precisely HG is saying, understand it (knowledge) and have the wisdom to know when to move on.
In other news: I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I heard that Netflix is finalizing a fan documentary on Depeche Mode. The selection of the fans’ nationalities seems really random: Mongolia, France, Colombia, Romania, the US, and Germany. I guess this is done with the intention to show the band’s global impact, although the six fans end up meeting at the Spirit concert in Berlin at the end of the film.
1.) using “denote” needlessly denotes pretentiousness
2.) most use the term educational institution, not facility. you might be thinking of a psychiatric facility, freudian slip.
3.) some”one” “of” substance
4.) education does not equate substance…did you say you want a PhD?
5.) zingers? You mean twinkies.
6.) you have to be invited in order to be uninvited
7.) narc mean girl is a redundant term
8.) “buy” an encyclopedia, please do
9.) they aren’t for the hard questions, though. they are for the very simple questions
1o.) We are thoroughly trained in dealing with a silent treatment and by now, we all enjoy the quiet.
Mercy, Just dropping by to say hi because I haven’t seen you for awhile (of course that is no fault of HG’s, cough cough). Now we can find each other in real life. I’ll be wearing the V-neck.
That’s great SP – so happy I will be able to spot you too! We can have an HG Exorcise Yoga Retreat every year now. Months ago when we all first started having the T-shirt discussion – were you here? I asked for V-necks. Of course the shirts were also supposed to say GOSO where the boobs go, but HG would need some boobs to design those for him and I don’t think he asked us!!
Oh I have seen that chain, SP. I am ‘murican. I had those boob shirts all planned out – just couldn’t decide if the ‘O’s should hit the boobs so the whole thing would be off center.
SMH, Hi! I’ve been here checking in. Just hanging out in the background. I want to look bad ass when I wear HGs clothes so I’m thinking black tank and black leggings paired with red pumps. I don’t know where I’ll go. Maybe a first date haha. It’ll be a weaponized first impression.
I think we’ve all been hanging out in the background while HG does his thang.
For a first date it will certainly be an ice breaker conversation starter – if you want to go there right away – I usually wait a few dates before talking about the psychopaths in my life :). I’ll be getting black too – it is mostly what I wear anyway. But I think I’ll save it for the gym (if I ever get back there – I am such a slug) and see how many guys stare at my boobs trying to decipher the message.
You could create a toy aircraft merchandise similar to the one you are trying to fly in your photo, and add House of Tudor or HOT on it. Is that you in the new photo?
Very nice! I’ll buy a few mugs for me and several friends.
How about extend the collection into male and female lingerie with the Tudor D pic on?
That’d be a hit in sales here on the blog.
This is my first comment on the site, although I’ve been a reader of yours for a longer while.
Congratulations! This is a fab idea!!
I have cancer/heart charity t-shirts and hoodies I wear – so why not! Hoodies look comfy!
The great thing about this is, you can casually serve a cup of tea to a friend/work colleague/family member without saying a word – if Narcissism is hard to discuss.
If someone wears your ‘I exorcise with HG Tudor’ to the gym – ain’t no somatic narcs getting any action lol!
Why not make Tudor House stand out on your links with a little Tudor rose next to Tudor House? (Not telling you what to do, merely suggesting).
I google searched House of Tudor…. and got Elizabeth 1st family tree doh! ha!
I shall. I will share the link too. To further your aims and to assist others in finding you, I would suggest adding narcsite.com on your items so it’s identifiable at a glance.
Love it!!! I really like the tanks and totes and mugs!
Ill be ordering. I hope you do a tear away calendar with something each day from your writings 🙂
Thank you HB. What better way to remind you of your achievements and the need for vigilance than positive ‘totems’ to overwrite any lingering ever presence. It’s a win all round.
Mercy, That is true but I had this vision of some guy’s dick already in her so she’d have to say ‘get out’ before the ‘stay out’ part. Maybe it doesn’t come across well in writing :).
This is great! Can there also be the option to upload a photo of one’s narch enemy to be printed with a slash thru it, perhaps on a tshirt or bumper sticker? lol Just kidding, everything is perfect, of course.
I will get my cup and my shirt! Although all these horrid stories are long gone! I will always be proud of myself for having done what i once thought impossible. Thanks for spreading the knowledge.
Thank you Nikita, as one of my earliest readers it is gratifying to see you here periodically and you should rightly reward yourself for your hard work and success and assist in spreading the word to help others who are in the place you once were.
NA, my mind went there too! Must be narc deprivation in my case. I’m proud of HG for letting that one lie. (See what I did there.) I knew what Nakita meant. I spread quite a bit too. (The word that is.)
its not my truth. Its the truth that when someome behaves in a defined pattern like blameshifting, or crazy making attitudes, discarding etc.. most likely this person is a narcissist!
Lol. Well done HG.
While I could see all the products, I was not able to view them by category. But I suspect many people were visiting the house at the same time and that may have caused a problem.
I am still having problems to see the products by category using Explorer, but I can see them using Google Chrome (although there are no images for your bedding articles but I guess that will come shortly).
I guess it is a matter of browser, HG.
Now, if you excuse me, I need to go shopping 😉
I agree K, empath is still a strange word for most people. Empathy is receiving more attention though, IMO, but there is still a long way to go.
I think a t-shirt with the word Empath is better. I was joking only as the term Super Empath seems to be very attractive to a lot of people.
Being a standard is being an Empath so regardless of my non-super category (which I’m not sure how good that could be) I prefer that to being just normal. I said somewhere else that being normal is like being a human character in The Lord of the Rings, just meh… SMH, you should take the Empath detector. It helps you know a lot about your personality.
I think the super think is having higher narcissistic traits and maybe more feisty natured? It doesn’t really matter. I’m still an ass sometimes. (Like with the attorney who I suggested got her education via correspondence school.) Bitch deserved it and she wouldn’t look at me after that in court so there. I can still be spirited! Her legs and her hair sucks..
Claire, I don’t think he likes to block people, which is good, actually, because then we would all be censoring ourselves. So we have to put up with the occasional nutjob is all.
Yes, Claire! I am kind of normally ‘not spicy’ anyway in public. I don’t swear a lot unless I am hungry and tired (hangry) and I don’t post much about sex because to me swearing is vulgar (when I do it) and sex is private. But I don’t hesitate to post other stuff because it is about my learning. So far HG has not deleted any of my comments as far as I can tell, even if I am arguing a point with him. He is very patient that way.
I am more concerned that I will say too much that is identifiable. But then I think to myself, who cares? My friends all know about MRN and I am not posting anything that is not true. Even if he finds this blog and connects ‘SMH’ to him, well, so what?
In your case I would be a bit more cautious because you are in the middle of divorce court, correct? Don’t post anything that could possibly affect your case.
I would never in a million years talk about sex with nearly anyone I know in the way I have here! Haha. I’d be too embarrassed. I can’t even ask someone in bed for something 90% of the time. Oh well—I’m done with that for a long while anyway.
My ex is too emotionally dull to read this stuff and would just think I’m hysterical but he’s too lazy to punch back in this way. He’s “STEM”smart—that is it. His flavor of narcissism would reject the blog and anything I’ve put in it. I’m coal black and anything I write is rubbish. He’s entirely predictable in terms of his thoughts/behaviors. HG told me we can’t control his fuel needs though so that serves as the premise to ignite the behaviors. The behaviors are the same though—no surprises. Pity plays, victim, deflection, blame shifting, etc. He is utterly incapable of grasping what he is—my participation here is “she’s nuts” but he is lazy and whiny so no one really cares. As far as anyone knowing who I am.. IF there were a pernicious interest in me it would be indicative of their pathology. Yes, a few people know me. We risk getting to know people in all facets of our lives. Risk/benefit analysis each day we breathe.. I knew it was a risk to contact HG contrary to sensibility but I was desperate. He’s a ton smarter than anyone on the “circuit” so I’m glad I did.
Claire, yes, MRN is STEM smart too and that is it. He would never in a million years find this blog – he isn’t curious enough and of course as a narc he is always moving forward and seeking fuel. I am sure you are very safe here, whatever you choose to talk about.
Claire, Actually, if mine finds this, he won’t be fazed. On several occasions I caught him out on something and he had absolutely no reaction – not even curious about how I found out. No fear.
HG has taught us how dull the mid rangers and lessers really are. Many of these otherwise intelligent and capable people’s sensibilities are completely obscured by their narcissism. Interestingly though—I find my own sensibilities are utterly incapacitated by my own emotional short comings. It’s different yet the same. They thrive on fuel—but I stir the pot too and do stupid things based on what I get from the narcissist. It’s a very symbiotic dance SMH. I have no control over how my ex functions—nor will he ever. I do have control over modifying how I get my needs met thankfully. It’s extremely hard work.
That’s true, Claire. I think of narcissism as a membrane that covers the the brain. Any thoughts, insights, concerns, inner feelings, admissions, are trapped by that membrane. I used to say that dealing with MRN was like dealing with a flat paper bag instead of a balloon. I don’t know why I chose those two things but that is how I thought of it – something was missing that meant his brain could not inflate. He was the first to admit that he had few emotions and was unable to understand those of other people. Impossible to explain to him what a human being was. You are right that it was symbiotic. I think I got what I needed for part of the time and then I wasn’t getting what I needed anymore but I was too deep into it to believe it. And yes we have control over ourselves. Good thing to keep in mind!
It sure is symbiotic. Normal men make me anxious and I only assume they are normal because I’m anxious around them. Now not like the whole time or anything ridiculous—just no chemistry and I don’t want to engage. Arrogance, seductive behavior, intensity and mesmerizing conversation is unhealthy and what I feel at home with. Especially arrogance—the more of that the better. I almost feel safer with an arrogant man. Basically it’s a total mess.
Claire, sorry to say that it is a mess! Normal men do not make me anxious at all. They might not interest me much, but they don’t make me anxious either. Like you, I am drawn to intensity and mesmerizing conversation, but not to arrogance, which turns me off. I am not very good at ego stroking. It is miraculous that I lasted as long as I did with MRN because I can’t take seriously that anyone really needs to be worshipped like that.
SMH, Claire, if mine can find the time to read this blog instead of posting selfies on Facebook and sending unsolicited dick pics, I want him to know this: the yellow swimming trunk with the matching cap was a terrible choice and it made you look like a fried egg. And your choice of ties is deplorable. You have absolutely no sense of style. Also, having so many muscles is OK if you spend the rest of your life in a desert island, but every time you wear a suit, you look like Hulk. Oh, that felt so good I hope he finds this blog, at least to remedy his fashion disasters…
Aww thank you, SP. I know I am not normal but I am not sure that not being normal makes me an empath, if you know what I mean. Are narcs, normals and empaths the only kinds of people in the world? I actually sometimes think that I am a borderline!
Hahahaha OK then, let’s be all that we can from the b cluster! I pick Histrionic. In all seriousness, when I found out about cluster b I swore I saw myself in all the descriptions instead of not feeling empathy. Then I read cluster c and I was convinced I had the anxious disorder. In the end I’m afraid I’m just a hypochondriac!
Do I, HG? Just kidding. What I do have is hypomania. It explains a lot. I get the highs of mania but not the depression part. I am pretty high functioning but often irritable. It doesn’t last long, however.
HG, I broke NC for some unfathomable reason – I snooped on social media. I don’t know why as nothing in particular has happened. One thing led to another until I was staring at MRN’s and IPPS’s IG. It was all the same as it’s ever been, which I think is kind of dangerous because that made it feel perfectly normal and that not only had nothing changed between IPPS and MRN – they still do not post pics of each other or mention each other – but that nothing had changed between me and MRN. I am not explaining myself very well but once again it is as if time stands still and he is waiting for me to reach out, which I know you have said is how it goes. Should I talk to you about it or just let it pass? I don’t think it will derail me but it might if I am not careful.
It would be worth having a discussion with me as I will be able to identify why this breach occurred in the first place and also address what needs to be done. Well done on recognising a breach and knowing something needs to be done about it, your have not lost insight and remain within the Window of Evasion.
SMH, me too! Except I do get the depression also. I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar II which is hypomania/depression. It is nothing like NPD. Have you noticed that some tend to use the two disorders interchangeably? Drives me crazy! (See what I did there?) ha ha just kidding. I’m a good kind of crazy with or without bipolar. It’s not who I am, it’s just this thing I have to take medicine for. Treatment is effective. Although I do miss those times of energy and brilliance. It got me into trouble though when the depression hit and I became overwhelmed by all that I had taken on. I still have the highs and lows, they are just muted. When I’m on a high, I tend to get bored and go looking for trouble also. (Or get so agitated I lose my job. Could go either way!)
I said all of this to say, I get you and you aren’t the only one that has made a bad decision in pursuit of excitement! The key is to recognize your mood and realize you are vulnerable. Way easier said than done though as I tend to recognize the moods only in hindsight.
Hang in there, dust yourself off. No contact is worth it. Tell the ET to hit the road Jack!
Hi MB. I don’t read all comments so maybe that is why I haven’t had the impression some people here use Bipolar and Narcissistic PD interchangeably. I made a comment not long ago about how some Boderlines could be misdiagnosed narcissists (something HG talked about in an interview and that made perfect sense to me). I hope that my comment is not what made you say the above because I was not speaking of bipolar disorder.
It has been said that some narcs can have a bipolar disorder too. I believe that is what my sisters ex husband had.
Lou, goodness no! I should have been more clear. People in real life and in society tend to interchange the two. Narcsite readers are well educated on the subject of narcissism and know how it presents. I don’t get offended or get on a soap box either. It’s just testament that we as a society have a long way to go with awareness and education about mental health.
Bipolar = batshit crazy to most people too. It doesn’t offend me. It just means they are undereducated about the disorder. Very few people in my life know about my diagnosis. I don’t want people to change the way they see me. I’m just MB. That’s all they need to know.
There could absolutely be comorbidity with NPD and any host of other disorders. The human brain is fascinating. The lengths to which it will go to protect us from our environment is nothing short of miraculous.
MB, thanks a lot for your explanation. I understand you don’t want people to know about your diagnosis in real life. I know society in general is poorly educated about mental health and that there is a lot of prejudices which it is better to avoid.
I agree, it is fascinating how our brains create coping mechanisms to protect us and help us survive. I think prejudices may be another very common mechanism of the human brain to make oneself feel better or stronger, or to not spend too much energy thinking (mental laziness). It also has to do with what society wants to have portrayed as normal.
lol again, MB. I would have to agree. Normal sounds like no fun at all. I had a partner who was bipolar and also an alcoholic (recovering – didn’t drink). I think alcoholism and narcissism are more alike than bipolar and narcissism.
lol, MB. I am better now. I will discuss with HG if it seems to be a pattern but I also think I know why it happened. The part of me that is a savior empath thinks I still need to rescue MRN and it frustrates me that I cannot talk to him at all, much less about the things I used to enjoy talking to him about. It’s not an emotional kind of missing at all. It’s more intellectual. Of course it would turn emotional if he ensared me again but luckily I stayed within the Window of Evasion (something new I learned from HG). Now back to NC.
I like being hypomanic. I am not on any meds for it. Not sure what they would give me and why lose those highs? Yes I can be irritable and/or obsessive, but mostly I am not, and often when I am, I am also very productive. I just have to be careful as you say of my moods and also that I do not burn out, because that happened once. I do have a tendency to chase excitement and odd situations. That is what got me into trouble with MRN, who is somewhat of an adrenaline junkie too.
I am surprised you even know what I mean because I didn’t think most people knew what hypomanic was. No one has ever used bipolar and hypomanic interchangeably with me.
There is some bipolar in my family – a couple of mood disorders in the younger generation – but my mother is the only one with NPD!
I misread you, MB. I thought you meant hypomania and bipolar were used interchangeably. I have never heard anyone mistake NPD for bipolar or the other way around, though I could imagine mistaking hypomania for borderline. As I said in my other comment, mood or personality disorder – which would you choose! Ha. I guess the difference is that one can be treated and the other cannot – one is chemical and the other is structural? I am not really sure.
To me, FYC? You were very helpful. In any case, I haven’t gotten to most of the comments for the past two days because I haven’t had time. It is late now and I must go to sleep but I will see if you have written more tomorrow. I did find my conversation with you very helpful and I am not in any danger of going any further. There is no emergency. I was just curious as to why I did that at this particulart juncture and maybe a bit panicky for awhile there. It is really good to know that you, HG, and everyone is here if I truly need an intervention.
Thank you, SMH, I’m very glad you felt it was helpful. If you did breach NC, I am certain HG would have excellent advice and strategies to deal with it. It sounds like you may not have? In any case, I hope you remain NC. You will be totally fine on your own!
Hi FYC, No I did not breach NC – at least not dangerously. It is still on my mind but I don’t think I feel compelled to go any further. In fact, what I did might stop me because my curiousity is laid to rest. Nothing changes, everything stays the same.
Hello HG and thank you for your considered response and for the new term – Window of Evasion. I never came across it before but I know exactly what it means.
I didn’t feel compelled to write to him or anything but I do still have this weird sense that nothing has changed. I think I said on here once that it feels like just a very long period of shelving. It’s so strange.
I think I know why it happened, though. I wrote it all out yesterday to FYC. Some changes/transitions, including things I would want to share with MRN on an intellectual level. That is the part that I miss. I feel a bit at sea not being able to talk to him but I also know that my imagining that he would be supportive or even interested are just that, imaginings.
I am in a pretty good place, not wallowing, and looking forward to what comes next. My plan is to make changes in the patterns that I had when MRN was in my life so that I no longer associate certain things with him. I am back to NC and will let you know if I fail again because then it will be a pattern that will need intervention rather than an anomaly.
That would make sense, SP, your cadence and the way you express yourself are very close to how I think I am, not to mention that we are both Tauruses and wear V-neck T’s :). I can’t really tell how I am from inside me but I actually think I am too disordered to be a super empath. I don’t have the kind of self-control that seems to come with that territory. I need HG to tell me what I am but maybe I should wait until I’ve gone awhile without irritating him! Otherwise, he might punish me by telling me I am a normal!!
Lou
I am totally down with the Super Empath T-shirt! Recently, I saw the word Empathy painted on the wall of a local elementary school, I was shocked and NPD is being used more, as well, but we have a long way to go. People just don’t realize the severity of the problem.
It is a good idea not to overestimate some people. My husband knows for a fact I read this blog and comment. He would never be curious enough to independently find out what I say and he won’t read anything on here unless I hand it to him and say “here, read this”. Following along in a conversation is not his strong suit to begin with.
Imagine a series of HG Tudor graphic novels depicting his posts here. With his artistic instincts it would be excellent! The bobble could be his graphic image to protect his identity. It could be a whole new enterprise. Watch out Marvel!
Great point, K. It would be wonderful to help kids deal with something so challenging, adults too. Considering Marvel films have grossed billions at the box office over that past decade, there is potential in film too. Would probably need PG13 and R versions lol. I can already envision many here as characters 😉
I guarantee I’ve bagged better looking narcs! You aren’t spell-binding. Come on. Ok—I’ll give it to you that you may be attractive. But I’ve had some way hot losers!
This will be a spleen vent, but it’s not directed toward Claire or HG directly. It is just an opinion. I invite other perspectives.
I prefer to separate people and their behaviors from black and white labels (even though I understand the intent) that cannot be objectively measured.
People in general demonstrate many behaviors, positive and negative. The same is true for narcissists. Narcissists, even in their highly defended state, can demonstrate positive behaviors and possess admirable knowledge and skills that benefit many others (e.g. Steve Jobs). They can also cause great damage.
I am not excusing negative or abusive behaviors. I perceive cruelty or abuse as wrong, full stop. By all means, call out bad behavior and stand strong or walk away. Yet there is no escaping the fact that narcissists, were also abused when they were created and the cycle continues through generations.
There are no winners or loses in a narcissistic relationship, only the manipulators and the manipulated. No one wins. All the more reason to disengage and not give more energy to a person or event that no one involved can control. This is the entire reason why GOSO is critical and strong boundaries are a must.
Lastly, if I were to use the label “winner,” HG would always be one to me for all he does for me/us. So too would be the intelligent and caring empaths that stay and help others. You are all so very appreciated.
I agree, K. I have no problem with someone venting freely about any abuse they suffered. It’s after the fact (or with people not involved in the abuse) that I think it is not helpful for either party.
FYC
I agree; I am in the fuel matrices of several narcissists (related to library, school and school functions) that I get along with. We socialize and laugh; they didn’t ask to be NPDed. And my heart breaks for the children who are NPDed.
I agree too, FYC. People are more than just their disorders. I am still very fond of MRN. For everything he did that was fucked up, he still made me laugh and he could be very sweet. He never ever criticized me, was always calm and was very smart. There were a lot of things that I loved about him but the relationship was toxic, and I think that is what we are all learning – to walk away from toxic relationships.
I did feel for him but I didn’t know until after I had escaped exactly what was wrong with him. There were times when we were close but those wouldn’t last as he would always pull away almost in a panic (intimacy issues). Sometimes I did too (I can be quite avoidant myself) and we never had deep talks about his childhood or mine.
Hi SMH, Thank you for sharing your experience. I think the highly defended nature of narcissism necessitates denial of real intimacy. The risk is simply too great and intimacy is experienced as threatening to their protective construct. The original love, need, trust, hope, etc., the N naturally possessed at birth were obliterated by their abusive parent(s) and replaced with fear, pain, shame, and denial. The defense construct of narcissism was created in order to (literally) survive that experience.
I have experienced what you have described with a few different Ns–moments of reduced defenses, where genuine bits of true self and emotional intimacy escape–but are quickly dismissed or denied and the construct snaps back into place. I valued those moments and understood the need of the N not to acknowledge them and to deny them.
I think the bottom line is, narcissism is not a choice. It is a natural genetic, neurological and psychological response to abuse that forever changes the way the N experiences the world around them (and perpetuates the abuse of others). We can have compassion for their experience, while not putting ourselves in the way of the abuse that naturally follows, nor excuse abusive behavior.
Yes, I understood all of that now but I am not willing to be someone’s punching bag.
Back then I would look up things like approach/avoid, intimacy issues, etc. When we were together we were always in this bubble. I would try to make things safe but we made no progress at all. The time we were closest he came over to meet my son. My son was asleep so we just lay on the bed, talked and fooled around a bit. It was probably the nicest and most relaxed time we had together.
But you know what I did the next day? I made an appointment with my shrink because I knew he would pull away. Sure enough, the following week we had what was basically our first and only fight when he suggested that I was becoming an ‘obligation’ (he said ‘you shouldn’t be an obligation too’) like IPPS, kids, his boss, etc. I went stone cold. He sort of apologized but a few weeks later we mutually agreed to end it.
That was only one of the umpteen times I thought it was finally and truly over, however!! Six months later he tried to get me to return to the relationship. We saw each other, it was nice (again) but I was more detached, kept my wits about me, watched his behavior, and two weeks later said no. THEN (again it wasn’t over) he got very dependent on me until I inadvertently wounded him. Now I believe it is well and truly over since he has moved and we have been out of contact for more than a year.
I wonder if I could have better handled it now that I have found this site but I have to say that the whole thing was exhausting.
Hi SMH, No, I am not a psychologist. I have simply read a great deal of material on a variety of topics in an attempt to better understand many things. I would never advocate anyone remain in an abusive relationship, nor would I suggest, or be, another’s punching bag under any circumstances. I was only discussing the dynamic of N and intimacy (and lack thereof). From my perspective, you made a good choice to leave.
Hi FYC, Yes, it was a good choice, thank you, but I should have done it much sooner. I did, in fact, leave him a month after I met him because I sensed he was controlling and even told my friends as much. He would want to see me when I wasn’t available – even coming to my flat uninvited one day – but would disappear when I was available. I knew immediately what was happening.
But that did not stick, and nor did the other four times until the final time. I was in such a state of high anxiety all the time that I could not tell if it was him or me. But after six months NC, I was grounded enough to be able to say no and to mean it, and I was fine the whole time we were trying to be ‘friends’ up until the very end. I would even leave the conversations when he steered them in a direction that made me uncomfortable. NC really makes a difference.
I broke it yesterday after more than a year because I think I am writing too much here and living it again through my writing. It wasn’t a serious breach – no direct contact – but he is now lodged in my head again. No idea how that happens or why, but it feels like no time has passed and he is waiting for me to reach out because I always have before. Anyway, I am sure it will pass… thanks for listening and asking questions!
Hi SMH, I’m happy to listen and will try to offer something useful to consider. The fact that you left after a month was likely due to your subconscious perceiving something off/not ok for you. His controlling behavior that emerged is certainly a red flag. His present/future faking of claiming he wants to see you but not being there when you are is another flag. But there must have been qualities that your conscious mind enjoyed–enough to quell your subconscious into submission.
The processing of emotions and thoughts is a complex process. There are literally millions of connections that bring together the parts of the brain that process everything we experience. Further, we assign thousands of associations to our experiences that dictate how we interpret future experiences. When we have compound emotions (a mix of emotional messages) an ambiguous response results and we then have to separate out the mixed messages, assign a new association and resolve any challenges (cognitive dissonance results when we cannot). Anxiety throws a wrench in the works and hijacks effective cognition. Cognitive dissonance can keep us wanting to solve the unsolvable problem even when all hope is already extinguished.
SMH, I am sorry you felt drawn to make contact after a year of no contact. I would not be surprised if it was your subconscious revisiting something unresolved. It can happen to anyone. The good news is, you can choose to restart NC again today. May I suggest coming to your own conclusion so that you can put your mind to rest? Whatever feels incomplete for you, ask yourself if resolved, could it make up for all that you know now about narcissism? I doubt it could. It’s okay to move on and let go. There are more fulfilling experiences and people in your future that await you. We are all here pulling for you too.
Thank you, FYC! I am much better today. Whenever I get in that state now – it happens very rarely – I say to myself that it can wait until tomorrow. Then tomorrow comes and I say it again until I forget about it.
I think I know what the problems are right now. MRN and one of my best friends both moved last year. MRN was pretty reliable in his unreliable way. He and that friend really anchored me. Now I am moving too (sort of). A pretty intense and rewarding era has ended. I am not sad about it – it is just a transition and transitions are always hard.
There are also lots of fantastic things happening for me so I don’t feel in the least bit unlucky. I think what is unresolved is that I would like to be able to talk to MRN about it (hard to explain without giving too much away but it has to do with our professions, which are weirdly synergistic for two people who met purely by chance).
I don’t approve of what he does for a living. I never told him that in so many words, but I did encourage him to quit his job during my final escape. He did and I think I was either the first person he told or the second (after IPPS – not even sure he told her before he told me). He asked for my approval and I was really proud of him because it was a hard thing to do. He floundered for awhile and then moved on to something similar, which disappoints me because he has a lot of skills that could be put towards something much less destructive.
In the meantime, I am doing something closer to his skills training than to mine, but healing instead of destroying, and I would want his input on some aspects of what I am doing. That is one reason I tried to be friends with him post-escape.
I think I thought I could free him and bring him into the fulfilling experiences and people that are in my life right now and always have been. It is therefore more about me wanting to rescue him than about me wanting him to rescue me. I guess that is my savior empath side. I really admired his intelligence and he knows that – that is one of the qualities that kept me going back – but I think he wastes his abilities. So it’s not just the emotional stuff.
I think I have made some huge breakthroughs writing to you these past few days. I am very grateful to you for responding! You might not be a psychologist, but you should be, not just for your insights but for asking the right questions and drawing people out.
Hello SMH, I am so glad you are making breakthroughs! You are strong and capable and do not need your MRN to help you with work. People we care(d) about moving on or out of our lives is always a form of loss we grieve (I do not mean that dramatically, but literally). It takes a bit of time. The fact that you have so many new changes at the same time adds to that. I understand. Just be really good to yourself. You have much to celebrate!
Thank you for your kind compliments. I always care, but I think I just happened to be here when you happened to be ready to process all of this, as you did so quite effectively on your own. I am certain you will meet many new people where you are going that will support you and you will really enjoy. Remember you need not save anyone, because only we can save ourselves. I am happy for you, SMH. You will be great in your job and I wish you the very best!
Thank you, FYC! You did not have to be there to have this conversation with me but you were and that is very generous of you. Sometimes it just takes articulating things to make sense of them and then they disappear. No thoughts today about MRN at all. In fact, it was more ‘what was I thinking’?!!
Funnily enough, I have a work narc who is a lot like MRN and is giving me all sorts of headaches. He is making part of my working life kind of hellish and he risks turning me into a non-functioning appliance, which would not be good for him in this particular professional situation. It doesn’t bode well or badly for my general work life – just for this thing I have to work on with him. I could walk away – no one could do a thing about it – but I feel that I want to learn more from what I am doing so I am going to have to try to hang in there without blowing a fuse the way I did with MRN.
HG have you ever been in my area? I ask because I saw this amazing narc once. Will never forget. I figure he was a narc bc I could “see” him differently, can’t be sure though I guess.
Ha, HG, I was wondering where you’d go with that or even if you had a good idea where I’m referring to, but I was really curious. I have no ability to ever identify the person, but I guess in my mind they represent what I think you’d look like.
Hi SMH, Sorry I missed your last comment. With regard to your new work MRN, I would suggest something new I have learned, OOCGE (observe only, cease giving energy) from HG and K. When your MRN does the usual machinations, recognize them for what they are only (OO), but immediately cease giving any energy (CGE) to such actions. It is a wonderful tool that can be used in so many ways (past and present) to keep from getting your thoughts or emotions caught up or hijacked by N behavior. Very much a secret weapon against machinations. Give it a try and let me know what you think!
Ah, that is what it is, K. I didn’t dare ask :). FYC, yes, that is good advice and is basically what I have been doing. I don’t think work narc is a narc but he does have a habit of being ‘absent’ – not uncontactable but dodging things. I will have a good opportunity to see him in action because we will soon be travelling together for two weeks (not alone). But I know anyway that I will have to pick up a lot of the slack because I have to have his back in this particular situation. His success is mine and vice versa. I will do that because I am a savior that way! I don’t think he is manipulating me. He’s just not seeing things that I see.
Hi SMH, I tried to reply sooner but could not get it to go through. Glad to hear you already OOCGE! It is an excellent set of skills to master. I do understand your situation and while not ideal, I’m sure you will succeed anyway.😉
Thank you for your persistence, FYC. I often lose track of what I have posted or who has responded, so goodness knows if I have insulted anyone that way (I am sure I have in other ways!). If I am successful, I will sleep well. If I am unsuccessful, it will be quite a spectacular failure. I don’t do anything, include fail, by halves.
FYC
Ha ha ha…I most certainly will share. This is a N v N situation.
My daughter’s friend is up north for a dog sitting job and we are certain that this young lady is a narcissist. Based on the dog owner’s behaviour, the DO is definitely a narcissist*. So I translated the DO’s behaviour for the young lady and, afterwards, she asked my daughter if a lot of people have it (NPD)? Then she said, “Some of it sounds like me.” She also recognized the behaviour in her mother and brother.
Red Flags: the DO is a serious hoarder and her house is filthy! I saw the video and it was pretty bad, worse than my mother’s house.
FYC
NPD is everywhere! My daughter’s friend now lives in Florida so they do not see each other often and her friend has the facade up and running so it is all good. The DO is in Europe for a month and I think the dogs (2 greyhounds) are ok.
K, Glad to hear all is okay. I do see N traits so frequently it amazes me. No doubt this has always been the case, I was simply unaware of many N behaviors prior to KTNU! You are like a grad student TA for HG at KTNU, and we all learn from your N translations (and citations/links)!
Chihuahuamum – I read gash instead of dash. Had to reread… that gave me an idea.
HG Tudor should produce some narc dildos and stamp them with HOT. Some emphasis on ‘O’ That would be the closest any woman will get to Tudor intimately. Maybe HG will let me design them. One with wings since he loves to fly hi’….
He needs to stay in the closet. I actually worry for his safety because of the nut jobs out there. I don’t understand how he’s never been identified so far though. HG—in your confessions book (I have not finished it) it suggests certain people know they are featured. How can this be?
Not being detected is what I do professionally so it is easy to ensure nobody knows I am HG Tudor.
They did not know precisely what they were featuring in.
HG, It would be great if you could share some of your special knowledge and skills (without compromising your position) on how not to be detected. I am sure it would be very helpful for those who seek to avoid detection and hoovers by their narcissist(s) and/or stalkers. I had a stalker in real life a several years ago and was fortunate to be trained by a professional at the time on how to remain safe. Many do not have these resources available. If you wrote a book on this I believe it would be very successful in the mainstream.
Great to know, HG. I am sure your to do list is a mile long, but you are so prolific I am equally sure you will get it done. Thank you very much for everything you accomplish (including your real life job).
FYC, that is an excellent suggestion and I would love to learn from HG. I’m sure many victims of stalkers (not necessarily narcs) would benefit from this, thus widening HG’s target market too. Imagine all the victims of gender abuse (domestic and other types) that could learn from his experience to go incognito!
Well, as always with you, it’s so timely. A point I have been greatly worrying about. (Not your timeliness, the aware).
The Lessers and Middles are so very easy to spot. Its the Greaters that worry me. I sometimes wonder why others on here don’t express the same concern?
And as you say, a true Greater will suddenly be THERE. No announcement. No fan fair unless that’s how they want to arrive.
Renarde, I don’t know but I expect with greaters it’s noticing messing with eye expressions, what is their job and maybe a bent toward saving the world? Just some guesses. Then triangulation or any black and white view of people.
K, I’m a pink girl also!! I have to have the ‘Once you know you go’ Hoodie and the mug to sit on my desk so my evil boss who believes I am so “restrained” can do a bit of Cluedo work and realise I am on to her!!
I am proud to wear the HG Tudor logo any day of the week. Love, love, love that pink!
Sarah
Ha ha ha…be careful, that mug might be considered challenge fuel!!! Sooner or later, she will instinctively know the jig is up. The pink is awesome and I am eagerly looking forward to delivery of the goods.
Very valid point K…unfortunately though that ship has sailed!!
I am the Strategic Advisor to the Director. I have worked at the organisation for a very long time and I have the CEO’s favour and his ear (of which my boss has none). I am like oil on water and challenge fuel albeit a necessary evil (for now of course). The mug won’t help my cause, but let’s face it, despite being very useful and enjoying a lengthy golden period, once she is embedded within the organisation I am in the gun!
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The taller the better for me. I can’t stand a weak no muscle man either. Getting tossed around a little is a nice fringe benefit in a relationship!
SP, that comment made me snort.
Personally I don’t think tops with I am a super empath emblazoned on front would look that great.
It would be like wearing a shirt that says I am great etc .A bit weird.
The ones HG has done are fab as they reflect the experience not I am this that etc.
It is enough to know what you are if you are a super empath ,no need to show the world everything and some might see it as a bit egotistical and odd.
Wait and see what comes Kiki, but I understand what you state as a general principle
Thank you HG
I think the products you have are great
Kiki
Maybe someone already mentioned this, but I really need a mug that says “GOSO,” perhaps designed with GO on the first line and SO directly underneath it. I’d buy that in an instant.
You really didn’t forget the socks!! And I love the pillows.
Could we have some I❤️HG merchandise one day? You know, like the NY one.
Autographed items?
#hgmemorabilia
Holy Moly. Now I understand the phrase that Ns don’t do things in halves! Ha ha.
Now my fussy nature and eco friendly mind must ask about the what fabric they are made from?
Oh, and I see they are all in AUD not USD, correct?
In the currency of the purchaser
Thanks HG. I sometimes think after I ask a question. After I commented I realised it would be the currency of the purchaser. Duh.
All I know is: I’ve been in this bloody dungeon for a couple of years since this venture was first mentioned with a spinning wheel and a mountain of the finest of empath hair.
You are so funny NA ,love it 😂
These are awesome HG. I’m having a bit of trouble trying to work out what to go for. Whilst I do that, I have a few suggestions as to logos for you.
Who pinched your bagel?
I hate James Cordon
HG Tudor certified Empath – for those that have done the E detector
#Ithrewamiddlerangeroffabalconytoday
Back the fuck out of my Sphere 1
For my SE chums
No, I’m not a fucking narcissist you tosser
SuperEmpath and Proud
Don’t make me Supernova!
Serious note – car stickers.
THANK YOU!
No merch on Super Empath, Empath Super Nova, Seizing the Power, or I Divorced a Narcissist All I Got Was This Lousy Tshirt. ?
Patience. Plenty to be getting on with in the meanwhile.
HG
An arm!!
Someone call a medic and search the tower. MB is sure to have fallen and can’t get up.
NarcAngel
I kept trying to remember who requested the arm! Dreams do come true after all! What would we like next? I’m curious as to what socks he wears…
NA, it’s a good thing my heart is healthy. That was almost too much first thing this morning!
NA, I’m more mesmerized by the plane dashboard.This will make me completely paranoid every time I fly now, thinking HG is piloting. Talk about ever presence!
SweetP
Why would you be paranoid? If HG is the pilot he is carrying precious cargo – himself. You can rest assured he wants to land the plane safely if only for himself and his reputation. Thats one of those residual benefits we enjoy.
Is it a plane? I thought it might be a ship.
I thought it was a helicopter 🚁
But it could be the Starship Enterprise for all I know. Kinda looked like the control room for the space shuttles. Houston! We have a problem!
MB, it is. It actually is the Death Star 👾
NA, I would not be scared of landing safely, quite the opposite. I would be paranoid checking every pilote and first officer from now on to find out what HG looks like! I’m not an expert but I don’t think ships have levers in the middle, I’m almost sure this is an aircraft’s cockpit.
SP, Lou – Looks like loo roll/toilet paper where the shift thing should be. Also looks like a very old cockpit. I actually think it is a rocket rather than a plane. Maybe HG is an astronaut. I always thought of MRN as one.
Pilot. Who the heck invented autocorrect? I’m sure it was a narc wanting to take gaslighting to the next level!
Looks like a plane to me NA.
I used to date a military pilot so I remember a few things. He was gorgeous but way too tall, when we walked together I felt like a little ball hanging from the Christmas tree. Apparently his height was at the limit for being accepted to the air academy.
SP. I have never dated a pilot but I have seen plane cockpit controls in films. And I know HG can fly an airplane. He’s said it before.
I had a pilot roommate I used to watch Friends with all the time! He hated me.
NA
It’s the Death Star and wasn’t Tigerchelle a virgin?!
Jinx! I thought the same, K!
Sweetest Perfection
Ha ha ha….exactly, what else could it possibly be!
K
Pfft…How many guys do you know that would put up with that and for that long without being able to nut?
Where is Tigerchelle?
Claire
On another blog, hopefully.
She once made her gravatar a photo of her arms sliced up. I was totally new and was really upset I was with a bunch of fruit cakes!
Claire
No fruit cakes here, just the mutants from Table No-9 (Wedding Singer).
K—an acquaintance has her psychology doctorate and I mentioned the whole thing about borderlines perhaps being basically narcissists and she was more captivated by the emotions associated with “fear of abandonment.” Maybe it is fear of a fuel crisis! They don’t know why they feel so vacant when “abandoned” but it’s a fuel depletion. (??) Food for thought.
Claire
There are two females that I know, who are diagnosed BPD, but, based on their behaviour, I think that they are NPD. They don’t know what they are so what they think is fear of abandonment is most likely a fear of loss of control/fuel and the void.
Accurate.
HG
Thank you, I am trying to equivocate less and apply what I have learned, in both my online and offline observations.
Similar here—it was a man though interestingly enough dx’d with BPD.
Oh there are some fruit cakes—I’m sure I add to the mix in some way. Just not to that extent. I have plenty of dysfunction.
NarcAngel
Re: precious cargo
I just choked on my drink. Here’s a benefit of narcissism I hadn’t previously considered. I am suprised however that he’s not sitting in the left seat since we all know he’s our captain.
Boat/ship controls are on the starboard (right) side. I think Admiral Tudor is a good fit 😉
You can tell by the screen it’s a plane as I can see the wing flap control symbol, also double engine thrust control. Buttons for typing in cruise control coordinates etc Embraer E185 cockpit.
Question is: is it HG?
My “cockpit” has that stuff too lol. But no one has ever lost an arm in it.
Only HG appears in his avatar.
You appear to have nice arms, nothing biologically wrong, etc.
What like scales, three arms, spikes?
Endless possibilities. Discolored areas, scars, dermatological types of sores/rashes, etc.
FYC
Admiral of the fleets, commanding the empath ships, plotting strategies and sending them into battle. Very fitting indeed!
Love your description, Desiree, 😉 but after a good look, I think it may be a plane. Do UK planes have right side controls like UK cars?
We just assume that’s his arm. Maybe he does sit on the left and is taking the picture. The person in either spot left or right I believe is capable of flying the plane. If it is him on the right perhaps he is a Captain and training someone. Maybe he’s neither and just took a pic of the cockpit. So many variables, but again, we see what we want.
I wanted an eye. I don’t know whose arm this is. Maybe it’s the arm of the dude who flew him and SMH to France.
Only HG appears in the avatar
I like when he speaks of himself in the third person
So does HG.
Well, nice elbow, I’m glad you have one!
Yes, plenty of people have seen it as they have been given it.
Hahaha are you giving US the elbow, HG?
Of course not.
I’m not going to France with HG, SP. Only to Norway. Hahaha. (I am kidding – I know you meant SM – I just pointed out to HG that also my real name and SM’s real name both start with L but hey, I was here first.)
Actually, you weren’t.
Oh? You mean your posts about SM are also recycled?
No.
Then did you call her by another name before, say, March 2018? That is when I landed here and as far as I know, the initials SM did not make an appearance until about six months ago. So that’s what, 18 months SMH vs 6 months SM on this blog but SMH was not here first? Besides, it was a lighthearted comment – it means nothing – yet you seem to need to burst my bubble. Why?
Somehow this all seems familiar. I hope SM does not one day add an H to her initials!! (That was a joke, HG.)
No, I am pointing out that SM was in my universe before you appeared SMH. Just because I did not mention her by those initials does not mean she was not in the Tudorverse.
I was correcting an inaccuracy, that is all. If that ‘burst your bubble’ so be it. The correction was the aim, the ‘bubble’ is irrelevant to me.
It is relevant to me. ‘Here’ means on this blog. Not in your broader universe. I do know the difference between cyberspace and real life, and I would be very confused were you to show up in royal purple knickers at my flat :).
Ah! My phone just entered SMH by default! Sorry sorry I obviously meant SM! Hahaha
Omg, Claire, you are really cracking me up.
At least it’s a colorful selection. Unlike your black, cold heart.
My Lower Lesser dad could fly planes. He took me on several and let me steer it. He used it to love bomb my mom.
My dad has his pilots license for smaller planes.
Nice. I really like the die-cut stickers–they would be super-cool if they were die-cut magnets, as these would be ideal on my fridge. .
Lisk, you can buy a flexible magnet sheet, put the sticker on it and cut to fit. Voile fridge magnet. Just in case you need it now.
HG approves
Dear Mr Tudor,
Congratulations on embarking into the fashion industry …. a definite winner here
I’m a bit past the age of tshirts, hoodies, leggjns, mugs n pillows
However, would classic cashmere style “scarves” be on your agenda by any chance ?
Kindly and as always
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
They are, but obtain some mugs in the meantime and give them to those who needs some HG
Dear Mr Tudor,
You’re too cute !
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
I like Army Green, and Fire Engine Red.
Another plus I just thought about. We will be able to spot other Tudorites by their t-shirts! If you see somebody sporting a bedazzled and glittered one, that will be me.
MB
You have ever presence. Every time I see a unicorn or glitter I think of you, and that shit is EVERYWHERE!
MB approves
NarcAngel
every time I see glitter, I think of MB!
Every time I see a unicorn I think of Narcissists….Not because of MB’s gravatar but because in Greek mythology (also later medieval bestiaries) it was thought to be incredibly fierce and violent. You could only catch it if you threw a virgin girl in front of it. Nice though the thought may be that it rested its head with its lovely horn in the young lady’s lap for a cuddle – – but that’s not what it was – or that’s not how it was imagined then. It was quite a violent act and blood was involved…. the unicorn fed from the girl’s lap and then it could be caught.
LC, yikes! 😳 So that’s what the horn is for?!? I need to unsee that visual!
I like unicorns because they are fantasy creatures. Although I know the difference between fantasy and reality, sometimes fantasy is my great escape. I allow myself to imagine, dream, and create without boundaries or limiting thoughts.
Sorry MB, didn‘t want to mess with your visuals, so here is a replacement: unicorn horn was thought to be very precious, and it was used as a cure against pretty much anything. Mostly it helped as a kind of vaccine against death from poison (through the hands of your enemies). Question is of course, seeing that they are fantastic creatures, was there any truth to it?
Here is a snippet from a site, which, incidentally, is called Tudor Trail (and which is why I‘m quoting it):
„ One theory is that many of the horns adorning the tables of kings and queens were actually rhino horn, which in a pinch…would be very useful. Unlike other animal’s horns, a rhino’s horn is 100% keratin and when it comes in contact with some alkaline poisons (for example arsenic) it will bubble. (If you suspect a dash of arsenic in your soup next mealtime, just whip out your rhino horn. It’s a real conversation starter.)“
Queen Elizabeth I paid 10,000 Pounds for a unicorn horn… It‘s still part of the crown jewels.
I reckon it was a Renaissance Midranger who sold her a narwhale tusk for a unicorn horn….
Speaking of which – even if I don‘t have a gravatar I‘d get a mug with a gravatar assembly… All those eyes and masks and things have become very familiar!
LC, thank you so much for all the info! If only I could “by” an encyclopedia, I’d be able to answer these hard questions. (Can you even get encyclopedias anymore?)
I like your style! You should pick a gravatar. Let your personality shine!
Guess we’ll never catch a unicorn on the blog then. You couldn’t find a virgin on here with a pair of binoculars.
Ha ha!
NA and K, y’all are so sweet. It makes me feel happy that I’m thought of. Warm fuzzies all around 🙂
This is for you NA: https://youtu.be/XAim13i8k1I
MB
How could we not think of you?! I blog love you back!
Love it! 💕 I will definitely be getting a tee or two! Those in the know will be savvy to its meaning. Lol Thanks HG…we needed this.
You are welcome, I look forward to seeing pictures of all these proud purchases from everybody!
People send you pictures of themselves? 😳. What a brave new world this is 🤣
Empath007
I believe he means pics of their purchases in their gravatar.
HG, I’m curious. (Gasp! I know) Are you able to see who orders what? That might be a bit creepy. I imagine sales have been good today!
No I cannot see who buys what. I just know which products have been purchased but not by whom.
That’s what I thought.
It was kinda cool after I checked out, the site suggested I buy a shirt that says “It’s an MB thing you wouldn’t understand”. I imagine others have gotten the same suggestion. You should get some kickback for subsequent sales too. Hopefully, they share!
Wow HG! This is a surprise. I didn’t expect The House of Tudor to look quite like this haha 😀 I expected marble statues and a throne room looking out over rolling hills somewhere!
This is a great way to spread the word of HG Tudor and narcsite. I think I’ll buy a few different mugs and casually replace some of the cups in the kitchen at work…. 😉
Thank you for this. I really like all the different colours. There’s something there for everyone 👏👏👏
Good plan. HG approves.
Ooh exciting stuff! Love it HG!
Ohhhhh!!! This is awesome HG!!!! What a great idea!!! Of course, I will get a mug and a t-shirt! Love all the designs but the logic defenses “on” is my favorite for a t-shirt, blue, of course 😉 😍
Thank you, make sure you take full advantage.
I ❤️ the House of Tudor !
lol this is fantastic, HG. You finally delivered, and ironically at that. And V-necks! Thank you! You went above and beyond. It makes up for your sudden disappearances.
Ha ha that did amuse me.
You were off doing something for us, HG. Now I feel guilty (not really so no worries you worrywart).
Mentioning my name denotes jealousy…maybe if you took yourself to an educational facility and become something with substance then you wouldn’t be triggered by me. But you have “zingers”. Good for you, little girl, now you can put on a party and disinvite me like the narc mean girl you need to be.
But by an encyclopedia just in case someone asks you a hard question.
And you all can have HG, I suffer in silence.
I bet you won’t.
You know me so well.
Indeed, I know my subject inside out.
I’ll put it to the test.
If ONLY you would suffer in silence.
If only you could read a book.
There was no silence whatsoever. As predicted.
PD
Haha. I knew your compulsion to spew dumbfuckery wouldn’t allow your silence. You can’t even manage a proper burn.
I could but I’d have to repeat myself twice and I don’t do idiot braille.
My finely attuned Super-Empath spidy sense is telling me PD that you haven’t had a ‘soft’ landing at Narcsite Towers. Did you get up someones’ nose and HG called you a quarterwit? (He does that sometimes).
To be fair though, as NA says, that was a pretty lame burn. Personally, I would’ve gone with ‘Who pinched your bagel?’
Just a suggestion. 😉
NarcAngel
Ha ha ha! I think HG should do a Tear Off Calendar with your zingers!
LOL… really.
You mean “buy” an encyclopedia? God I love meta-irony, don’t you?
I was pointing out my super duper spellers for their gold stars. 🙂 I’m putting a sticker on your growth shart, I mean chart.
Allow me to explain, since I need to….I meant all these gals can have YOU and your attention and I will suffer in silence at being ignored.
But if you need a win, HG, I’ll let you have a win. Must be a slow day.
So magnanimous. How ever can you manage it from your lofty perch?
Squawk Foxtrot Oscar assigned to Pamela. HG dominating the battle-space from control tower.
I’ll be waiting to edit your stupid dissertation, loser.
So triggered. Can dish it out but can’t take it.
Shame. Send me your contact info and I’ll hire you.
There are two types of dissertations, the ones that get written, and the ones that never do. Stop wasting your time and everybody else’s here: CHOP-CHOP!! Call us back for your graduation, we’ll bring you one of HG’s mugs saying GOSO.
I will do a special one ‘Foxtrot Oscar’.
Annndddd….there’s the line?
Hahaha I think you have plenty of time, HG. She still hasn’t gone past the “Acknowledgments” because she’s finding it hard to find any friends to thank.
Very good.
Hahaha SP! Good one!
Is she even real? Like is it a joke?
Claire
Ha ha ha….it seems a bit Twilight Zone-esque but it’s real, online field work!
I have my moments for sure but I know I’m sliding a slippery slope of assholed’em and choose it anyway. I feel that the lack of filter is with a different flavor of abandon in this case.
Claire
Correct, a lack of filter is indicative of a lesser.
Haha—I read between the lines on this! I say things here I wouldn’t say openly in “life.”
Claire
Ha ha ha…I am the opposite. There are things I say IRL that I wouldn’t dream of saying here.
Hilarious! Show that side of you! Truthfully—I would never dream of saying “dick sucker” to anyone except for a few select friends and it would be hushed.
Claire
Ha ha ha…it would have to be redacted. I call one of my girlfriends a cock-sucking-whore and she reciprocates, then we laugh; it’s all good.
I have a friend I grew up with.. She is a teacher and smokes pot daily. (I actually was sent to boarding school out of state for our shenanigans) and she’s a functional
mess. She met some guy in a hotel and his dick was so small she asked for anal sex and he declined the offer and we cracked up
like teenagers. Her stories are hilarious. Being a long standing friend we can discuss all sorts of crap—best sex toys, male sexual performance etc. Typically I’m more reserved. I can’t imagine asking some small penis man for anal sex ever ever ever. I would totally die.
Claire
Ha ha ha….boarding school, were you a delinquent? Locker room talk is quite normal among friends.
No I did some things (sneaking out, ornery stuff like drinking wine in my parents house) but not to the level of delinquent behavior and absolutely nothing criminal. I was acting out frankly from sexual abuse that I had unresolved emotional reactions to—it’s quite sad to realize what that was about. My behavior was a psychological response to narcissistic behaviors that were very hurtful. I had (have) poor boundaries and was attracted to people that were drinking, partying, etc. There was not much in the way of tolerance for poor behavior in the home. It was a very expensive venture and was a good idea looking back. It was a unique opportunity and I was afforded a ton of experiences. My narc dad spearheaded it and did a good job. He raised suspicion though somehow—I was repeatedly asked by people if he was abusing me. I’m not sure what prompted these inquiries. Ironically he was flagrantly inappropriate but never touched me. I didn’t confess to the inappropriate behaviors when asked. I still am unable to say what he did that was so appalling without being upset. I can vocalize “he was inappropriate” but to discuss I would be emotional and I’m not sure it’s necessary. I can write it in a post here, absolutely because it’s not “face to face” but to be respectful of the environment and the fact it could upset a reader I refrain. I think his behavior allowed “though fuel” for him. Sorry for the long answer to a seemingly benign question!
Claire
I understand and struggle with that sometimes also. Because we are empaths, we are mindful of upsetting or triggering people. I didn’t even realize what that entailed other than a memory when I first arrived here, but at the same time, we are not being completely honest about the origin or extent of the damages from our experiences. It also does not allow us to purge it by releasing it and if you can’t release it here, where can you? It places one in a difficult position.
It does indeed make it difficult. It’s just uncomfortable stuff for sure. Sexual abuse matters can be hurtful to someone—igniting someone else’s trauma is something I’d rather avoid. People don’t remember this stuff at times and I’d hate “here” to be the last place to be derailed if a vulnerability is present. It’s ok, I logically know he was relishing in thought fuel with his behavior. The logic and understanding is good enough. As for the rest of the abuse—who knows? People find many mechanisms to manage trauma. Interestingly I’ve seen them get stuck in it too and I’m not interested in reliving or reprocessing right now. HG has even said he feels anxious (?) discussing hurtful childhood matters in an interview. All of negative experiences suck.
subjects (in an interview)
Not anxious, I prefer not to do it.
I’d prefer not to do it either frankly.. Whatever it evokes sucks.
The abuse should have been addressed and stopped when I was a child; it wasn’t. It’s pointless to bring it up now, for me, however, I can discuss it here so we can learn about the dynamic and its impact on ACONS. Other than that, I don’t really talk about my childhood.
I feel similarly. “Processing” something seems highly overrated. What is there to say? Yeah—it sucks to be a little kid and the subject of perversions you aren’t equipped to understand. It should suck. My dad didn’t start his shenanigans till my young teen years. I just ignored it really. It was a mind fuck for sure.
Claire
Processing, finding one’s self and affirmations are fucking useless.
Absolutely—like what do I have to process? I was already there once and didn’t like it. So, go back and not like it some more? Wish upon a rainbow? I don’t need to find myself, I’ve been here all along. I probably need to continue working on more self respect but if this isn’t trying I don’t know what is!
K—I bought a new mattress yesterday and just woke up. It’s totally narcissist free and not infested with his disgusting essence! Delightful!
Claire
I don’t need to work on myself at all; I am doing great! (toot toot)
The new mattress makes a huge difference! I know the feeling; I am painting all the rooms and there is no MMRN influence in the color choices. It feels so fucking good! My War Room has lost its chalk walls, though, but that’s ok.
It was glorious last night. It was like getting rid of bed bugs. I’m painting everything white. I have the entire scheme picked out. Soft gray/whites/quartz—no narcissistic ass sitting around rooting on a channel changer.
K—I thought of you a few hours ago.. Short story—funeral today for my mom’s sister. Just us in the car and talking. I was bitching about ex’s gambling history, the financial mess he had been. (Whining essentially—not looking for pity but just escalating my emotional thinking—all the crap I do..) She doesn’t realize my dad was a narcissist. Come to find out—he also gambled away heavy six figures in stocks/dumb investments! Gawd! I freaking married my dad. These two men—educated, pay their bills and lose lots of money in pursuit of narcissist nonsense. My mom said, “I always wanted to slap the shit out of him!”
I asked how he responded to her upset—he blew her off. Then the story I’d forgotten about came up. He ordered enough silver from a company in California that it arrived in many boxes one time and it was worth half the value of their modest home. He died and she was stuck with boxes of silver! I’d forgotten but my brother had to deal with it.
These guys are as predictable as gorillas scratching their arm pits. How dumb.
Claire
They are very predictable. It’s really weird, narcissists can be quite gullible and fall prey to fraud and Ponzi/Get Rich schemes, that’s part of their Magical Thinking.
It looks like your mother tried to hold your dad accountable (Challenge Fuel) and, although her upset fuelled him, she made him feel unimportant (this made him feel a lack of control) so he blew her off to draw more fuel (frustration, anger) and assert superiority. The fuel reinforces his sense of self-worth (fuel makes him feel in control) and supremacy has been maintained. All is well in Narc Vegas!
I hope your mother realized some money from all that silver. My lessers collected TY Beanie Babies and got fucked when the craze bottomed out. I thought they were all idiots at the time. 30-year-old women going crazy for stuffed toys. Now I know why: Magical Thinking.
The Great Beanie Baby Bubble: Mass Delusion and the Dark Side of Cute, by Zac Bissonnette was a great book BTW.
Haha! She got it all back. My brother had to get all the boxes and ship them somewhere. He was also obsessed with gemology and investing in precious stones. My oldest daughter has a lock box of such items worth a nice sum that he left her, but normal people don’t typically get into these weird things.
Claire
My father collected coins, stamps and currency from all the countries he visited when he was in the Navy. I gave the stamps to my mother and I kept the coins and currency. My mother collected dolls when I was a teenager and thought they would be worth a fortune. I thought she was mental.
Haha—he collected stamps and coins too! This is quite funny.
K, my husband’s mother collected dolls and after he died, he thought they would be a fortune. Here they are still because of course, nobody wants to buy that shit. I’m terrified of dolls so I put them in the garage, in their individual boxes. One day I was alone at home, I went down to the garage looking for an umbrella and saw them there. Without wanting to look much, I was ready to go when I noticed something hairy touching my left arm. I instinctively screamed as if I was being murdered, in my head I imagined a Barbie doll with long hair and a knife in her hand, ready to kill me. When I turned around, I saw my dog next to me, licking my arm. I forgot to shut the door upstairs and he followed me downstairs. I was about to have a heart attack.
Sweetest Perfection
Ha ha ha…nobody wants that shit! Ha ha ha….so true! They think it’s so valuable and they are so surprised when they can’t sell it. My mother couldn’t understand why no one was interested in her antique dolls.
Screams of terror = excellent fuel. All those eyes staring at you, like a freak show.
My friends were spooked by the dolls. At night, they were afraid to use the bathroom because they felt like the dolls were watching them walk down the hallway.
K, exactly. I wouldn’t go to the bathroom if I were them. Do you remember the picture HG uses in the article about the interaction with IPPS vs shelved IPSS and current IPSS? It is my most abhorred one, both because of its form (the pic) and its content.
Sweetest Perfection
Yes, I know the picture and it reminded me of my mother’s doll collection.
All those eyes watching you. She tried to foist some of them off on me and I declined. No thanks.
SP, that is horror movie stuff! The dolls coming alive! I always preferred stuffed animals myself. I still have my teddy bear.
Narc was a horror movie in that sense too, he was a humanoid with robotic reactions. A pair of lifeless eyes following me around with no soul. Yuck.
lol yes I thought that too. dead blue eyes in MRN’s case.
Fixed, dark eyes in my case. Like a shark.
SP, MRN’s could go dark too, like when he was caught in a lie.
Oh yes but I mean, mine has dark-brown, almost black eyes. And then they stare at you like two black buttons, have you seen the movie Coraline? Very eery.
No, but it does sound creepy!
Yes it is, but very very cool, especially if you watch it in 3-D.
**she died, no my husband, that was my mistake for once. No autocorrect.
Claire
It is very common to act out after sexual abuse and hanging out with the wrong crowd, drinking or doing drugs is a coping mechanism; I did the same thing. It’s very sad and no child should have to deal with that shit, ever. Boarding school was like a form of NC; you were out of the house and away from your abuser(s). I am shocked that people suspected you were abused and asked you about it. Many adults ignore it or don’t recognize it.
This is a great quote and I think you will understand it. I do.
HG Tudor
AUGUST 8, 2018 AT 22:38
There comes a point where you understand the past and therefore you must leave the past where it is, rather than continue to examine it.
Being away was great. I have no idea what compelled the questions—it was repeated questioning though. He was raising some eyebrows. I didn’t use drugs except a little pot which is just dumb. (Except I tried cocaine with an ex narcissist in my early 20’s and admittedly it was a blast.). I was also respectful really—but the overall picture was concerning. Grades slipped from
skipping school too. Being away got me mostly back on track (not totally) but I went to college and did fine. I was kinda low key about it all really. I like HG’s quote you found. It’s true. I may even feel the need to bring it up more (somehow/somewhere) but not substantially. I don’t like to feel upset or vulnerable and it creates this uncomfortable feeling which isn’t optimal.
Indeed it is a good quote. One that I find myself ruminating on today.
Renarde
That is an excellent quote and it’s in my Notes. That quote should visible in every therapist’s office, school, church, etc.
K it should.
I’ve been placed on new meds for the anxiety and stress and finally….they are working. Along with other things and people, I’m not in that bonecrushing pit of despair I was say 3 months ago.
So yes, was very much thinking on that quote. The problem I’m having atm is the decrease in stress has brought new insights.
I now have a very good idea how my school, the SEs came about. Its shocking. It explains why we are also rare too.
The flashbacks have started again. About my birth family. Just a random incident such as me yesterday folding the cover on a National Geographic. I rarely but them because of the association to PN.
I sit down and suddenly I’m 8 again. I’ve done something wrong. He’s at the top of the stairs and he’s HURLING his NGs down the stairs.
I’m crying. The spines are getting crushed and their covers are breaking as they slither and slide down the stairs.
The next day, I put all of them into order in the cupboard by the stairs.
He’s pleased with me. All is white again. Until the next time. And there was. Next time it was threatening to cut my fingers off if I changed any settings on the tv.
So yeah. I agree. Living in the past serves no one. Those memories need to be explored before they can finally go.
And they are going. From parents. With the big ex, still got a way to go.
Try this. This is where my mind is today and it makes me sick to my stomach
Katana obsession
Obsessed with survival – good too
Expert at ropes and knots
Global knives
Kill Bill
Unwanted pregnancy
American Psycho
Rape and sexual assault
Should I be worried, do you think?
Renarde
I am happy to read that you feel better. Despair is awful, it keeps you stuck and sometimes you need help getting out.
If you can, remove the emotion and try to look at those new insights with logic. Logic allows you to make rational decisions; it won’t steer you wrong. That allows you to gain some control over your life and gives you a sense of security, which should reduce anxiety.
I am very sorry you went through that when you were 8. That was heartbreaking to read. Child abuse and frightened and crying children is unacceptable. You deserved loving parents, not that shit! I was pissed after I read your comment.
All the memories should be looked at and explored and then you have to let go. If not, you will waste years, decades perhaps, and never really live.
Don’t be worried by your list. Fantasies of sharp instruments, rope, survival and American Psycho are coping mechanisms. Keep reading and posting through it. That’s what I did and it worked.
K. I’m in tears. Thankyou roe your very kind words x
Thank you lovely. I really appreciate your kind words.
Mentally, I am much better but the anxiety even on meds can suddenly peak and I’m left literally shaking. I have to sit down and wait until it subsides. Thankfully there are way more good days than bad days now.
You know that expression, ‘Are you asking the right question?’ Well I havn’t or at least not until a few weeks ago. I started thinking properly and this rapidly led me to a number of conclusions which have taken a while to digest. I’m there now. One of those conclusions is that I probably have c-PTSD. The reason I think that is I dissociate a lot. I let things slide because my brain can’t cope with it. The mind remembers and that’s when I get the flashbacks and intrusive thoughts.
Thank you for reassurance on the list.
K being a durp. Had a taxing day. Of course, that’s what precisely HG is saying, understand it (knowledge) and have the wisdom to know when to move on.
I don’t feel very wise atm
Huh?
SMH, I think the seagull may have been addressing me in the misplaced comment. I don’t feed them though.
lol MB – some droppings? Glad to see you back!
SMH
Pssst…FO! Lima Oscar Lima!
K, Huh? Hahaha. I realize I wrote huh twice but I don’t know what FO stands for.
When you tell someone to F— O–……………
NarcAngel
Lima Mike Foxtrot Alpha Oscar.
SMH
It is a phonetic alphabet code for a text acronym. Eff off.
Oh, lol, K. I don’t know where my brain was!
SMH
Sierra Hotel! (SH = shit happens)
But K, Why the code? We are allowed to curse on here – fuck off, shit happens.
SMH
I think that HG was just being puckish.
No.
It got the point across in a classy way. I’ll be using it myself if the need arises.
HG
Ha ha ha….practical?
Yes.
HG
ha ha ha….noted! I should have figured that from the get-go.
Because HG was suggesting a new logo idea for a mug to give Pamela for her graduation, if we all happen to be still alive.
Ha ha, very good.
In other news: I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I heard that Netflix is finalizing a fan documentary on Depeche Mode. The selection of the fans’ nationalities seems really random: Mongolia, France, Colombia, Romania, the US, and Germany. I guess this is done with the intention to show the band’s global impact, although the six fans end up meeting at the Spirit concert in Berlin at the end of the film.
101 but with a more varied fan sekection
Oh, nothing can beat 101!!!
lol, SP. It makes perfect sense then that he would get creative.
SP, that comment made me snort.
(I really want this to end up in the right spot this time)
Haha, got it, NB!
1.) using “denote” needlessly denotes pretentiousness
2.) most use the term educational institution, not facility. you might be thinking of a psychiatric facility, freudian slip.
3.) some”one” “of” substance
4.) education does not equate substance…did you say you want a PhD?
5.) zingers? You mean twinkies.
6.) you have to be invited in order to be uninvited
7.) narc mean girl is a redundant term
8.) “buy” an encyclopedia, please do
9.) they aren’t for the hard questions, though. they are for the very simple questions
1o.) We are thoroughly trained in dealing with a silent treatment and by now, we all enjoy the quiet.
Way too long and you care too much. I didn’t even bother finishing.
just like your dissertation?
NO, more like your sexually bored boyfriend.
You get wounded quickly
Desiree
Now THAT’S a proper burn! Up top!
No, not with this base nonsense.
PD
” Didn’t bother to finish”
Just like YOUR last boyfriend?
Don’t bother trying to respond. Your burns are lame and we’re bored with you now.
Love this!
Pamela, buy not by
Dang I was late on that one.
Love!!!!!! You’re speaking my language now HG.
Mercy, Just dropping by to say hi because I haven’t seen you for awhile (of course that is no fault of HG’s, cough cough). Now we can find each other in real life. I’ll be wearing the V-neck.
SMH, I love you paid attention to that detail too! V-neck is my favorite.
That’s great SP – so happy I will be able to spot you too! We can have an HG Exorcise Yoga Retreat every year now. Months ago when we all first started having the T-shirt discussion – were you here? I asked for V-necks. Of course the shirts were also supposed to say GOSO where the boobs go, but HG would need some boobs to design those for him and I don’t think he asked us!!
Hahaha SMH, your design for GOSO falling innocently on the boob line reminds me of the American chain Hooters, look it up.
Oh I have seen that chain, SP. I am ‘murican. I had those boob shirts all planned out – just couldn’t decide if the ‘O’s should hit the boobs so the whole thing would be off center.
SMH, Hi! I’ve been here checking in. Just hanging out in the background. I want to look bad ass when I wear HGs clothes so I’m thinking black tank and black leggings paired with red pumps. I don’t know where I’ll go. Maybe a first date haha. It’ll be a weaponized first impression.
Mercy,
I think we’ve all been hanging out in the background while HG does his thang.
For a first date it will certainly be an ice breaker conversation starter – if you want to go there right away – I usually wait a few dates before talking about the psychopaths in my life :). I’ll be getting black too – it is mostly what I wear anyway. But I think I’ll save it for the gym (if I ever get back there – I am such a slug) and see how many guys stare at my boobs trying to decipher the message.
Any BS action?
I like this idea and site!! Haha so very cool. About time. Well done, H.G! Bloody well done! 🙂
Thank you Sniglet.
You could create a toy aircraft merchandise similar to the one you are trying to fly in your photo, and add House of Tudor or HOT on it. Is that you in the new photo?
HOT – I like it.
Only HG appears in my avatar.
I’m definitely purchasing a mug and possibly a shirt too. This is awesome HG thanks 😊
You are welcome and HG approves.
You need to do a narc Voodoo doll, complete with pins!!! 😂😂😂
Ha ha now that is a very good idea.
😈
Make sure there are some extra large pins to go into the groin area.
OMG – YES. This would be a top seller!
Haha! this made me laugh. And a great idea.
Very nice! I’ll buy a few mugs for me and several friends.
How about extend the collection into male and female lingerie with the Tudor D pic on?
That’d be a hit in sales here on the blog.
This is my first comment on the site, although I’ve been a reader of yours for a longer while.
Welcome Natalie and thank you for spreading awareness of my work through the mugs. There are further ideas in formulation. Good to see you commenting.
I know what I’m getting. This is way too cool, HG!!
You’re welcome.
Oh yes, I forgot. Thank youuuuu hahaha.
HG
This is an exciting development. You have delivered on your word yet again. An excellent way to spread awareness that benefits all.
Congratulations and thank you.
Thank you and you are welcome.
I like the Logic Defenses logo. Cool design.
Also, what about a Narcissist Grater? For cheese? LOL
Ha ha, very good.
Hehehe good one, Bibi!
That’s awesome, Bibi!
Congratulations! This is a fab idea!!
I have cancer/heart charity t-shirts and hoodies I wear – so why not! Hoodies look comfy!
The great thing about this is, you can casually serve a cup of tea to a friend/work colleague/family member without saying a word – if Narcissism is hard to discuss.
If someone wears your ‘I exorcise with HG Tudor’ to the gym – ain’t no somatic narcs getting any action lol!
Why not make Tudor House stand out on your links with a little Tudor rose next to Tudor House? (Not telling you what to do, merely suggesting).
I google searched House of Tudor…. and got Elizabeth 1st family tree doh! ha!
Brilliant, excellent stuff.
Thank you PV.
PV
“‘I exorcise with HG Tudor’ to the gym – ain’t no somatic narcs getting any action lol!” –> my plan exactly!
OMHG! Love the designs and this is a great way to spread the word. Thank you.
Yu are welcome, do make good use of it.
I shall. I will share the link too. To further your aims and to assist others in finding you, I would suggest adding narcsite.com on your items so it’s identifiable at a glance.
Thank you FYC, it is on some products.
Sorry I missed that. I **LOVE** the designs as is. I was just thinking it never hurts to direct others where to find you without saying a word. 😉
Thank you FYC.
I am 100% gratitude, HG. You are always welcome.
Loving these!
Will def be getting a once you know you to hoodie and wear it during my charity walk marathon in September as well as during my training sessions.
Absolutely brilliant.
Thanks HG
Good work Debs.
Love it!!! I really like the tanks and totes and mugs!
Ill be ordering. I hope you do a tear away calendar with something each day from your writings 🙂
Thanks. That’s a good idea CHM, I will look into that.
That is actually a very good idea CM.
I think it would be a hit.
Clever homonym. Love it! I’ll be grabbing an exorcise tank 🧘🏼♀️
HG approves.
Oh snap! Fitted tank top it is.
HG approves.
WAY cool HG…and perfect timing…I could certainly use a couple pillows or mugs for my new place…
Plenty to choose from for your new stronghold WC.
Congratulations, HG. Great ideas to keep us weaponized.
I love the new design for your products. It reminds me of Games of Thrones.
Thank you HB. What better way to remind you of your achievements and the need for vigilance than positive ‘totems’ to overwrite any lingering ever presence. It’s a win all round.
Cute HG—even better would be a lingerie line! Panties with “stay out” displayed!
I am e-mailing the designer Claire….
Ha!
Haha Claire – doesn’t ‘get out’ come first?
SMH, no drop the first 3 words of your sentence and add an ‘I’. That should do it.
Mercy, That is true but I had this vision of some guy’s dick already in her so she’d have to say ‘get out’ before the ‘stay out’ part. Maybe it doesn’t come across well in writing :).
This is great! Can there also be the option to upload a photo of one’s narch enemy to be printed with a slash thru it, perhaps on a tshirt or bumper sticker? lol Just kidding, everything is perfect, of course.
I will get my cup and my shirt! Although all these horrid stories are long gone! I will always be proud of myself for having done what i once thought impossible. Thanks for spreading the knowledge.
Thank you Nikita, as one of my earliest readers it is gratifying to see you here periodically and you should rightly reward yourself for your hard work and success and assist in spreading the word to help others who are in the place you once were.
I always spread but sometimes people just dont want to see the truth.. i guess until the moment comes.. I will for sure continue to spread.
Nikitalondon
You call yours Truth? Just kidding. I know you mean the word but my mind read it differently haha.
NA, my mind went there too! Must be narc deprivation in my case. I’m proud of HG for letting that one lie. (See what I did there.) I knew what Nakita meant. I spread quite a bit too. (The word that is.)
its not my truth. Its the truth that when someome behaves in a defined pattern like blameshifting, or crazy making attitudes, discarding etc.. most likely this person is a narcissist!
Oh my goodness! HG! I absolutely love it!!💝
Thank you.
You’re so very welcome, but really, all thanks go to YOU, HG!!
You da man HG!
Fucking A!
😢
You are spoiling us today! And there is so much to choose from!
What can I write? I am just so giving.
Your lavish generosity never ceases to impress, HG!
Lol. Well done HG.
While I could see all the products, I was not able to view them by category. But I suspect many people were visiting the house at the same time and that may have caused a problem.
You will be able to do so, it might be an access issue Lou, but I can see them by category. Then again, I am all-seeing aren’t I?
I am still having problems to see the products by category using Explorer, but I can see them using Google Chrome (although there are no images for your bedding articles but I guess that will come shortly).
I guess it is a matter of browser, HG.
Now, if you excuse me, I need to go shopping 😉
I shall let you get on with your shopping Lou.
Thank you HG.
I think that another best selling article would be a T shirt with the words
“I am a Super Empath” 😉
Thanks Lou, there is more in the pipeline, you shall see!
Lou
That is a great idea about an empath/SE T-shirt!!! When I say empath, people look at me funny. It is like a foreign word.
I agree K, empath is still a strange word for most people. Empathy is receiving more attention though, IMO, but there is still a long way to go.
I think a t-shirt with the word Empath is better. I was joking only as the term Super Empath seems to be very attractive to a lot of people.
Lou
I got your joke. I was thinking yes, it would be false advertising in a lot of cases but advertising all the same lol.
I agree with Lou, who wants a T-shirt where the S is for “Standard”?
But it won’t be, come on do you not think I think of these things?
Of course you do.
Sweetest Perfection
Ha ha ha…I know, right! Standard empath (run-of-the mill).
Seems to me standards are also:
Stealthy
Sagely
Strong
Savvy
Selfless
Saving
Sassy
Take your pick 😉
All of the above plus
Sweet
Spicy
Sexy
….and….
SP!
SP, Love it!
Hahaha SP. Are you a standard? I have no idea what I am. I might even be a normal! Even worse than a standard empath! eww.
Being a standard is being an Empath so regardless of my non-super category (which I’m not sure how good that could be) I prefer that to being just normal. I said somewhere else that being normal is like being a human character in The Lord of the Rings, just meh… SMH, you should take the Empath detector. It helps you know a lot about your personality.
I think the super think is having higher narcissistic traits and maybe more feisty natured? It doesn’t really matter. I’m still an ass sometimes. (Like with the attorney who I suggested got her education via correspondence school.) Bitch deserved it and she wouldn’t look at me after that in court so there. I can still be spirited! Her legs and her hair sucks..
Hahaha Claire. Correspondence school. Like Pamela what’s her face.
Can HG block these people?
Claire, I don’t think he likes to block people, which is good, actually, because then we would all be censoring ourselves. So we have to put up with the occasional nutjob is all.
I don’t block anybody. I remove the comments when they break the rules and that’s only a very small number of deletions.
Should I spice it up more and take my chances?!
Yes, Claire! I am kind of normally ‘not spicy’ anyway in public. I don’t swear a lot unless I am hungry and tired (hangry) and I don’t post much about sex because to me swearing is vulgar (when I do it) and sex is private. But I don’t hesitate to post other stuff because it is about my learning. So far HG has not deleted any of my comments as far as I can tell, even if I am arguing a point with him. He is very patient that way.
I am more concerned that I will say too much that is identifiable. But then I think to myself, who cares? My friends all know about MRN and I am not posting anything that is not true. Even if he finds this blog and connects ‘SMH’ to him, well, so what?
In your case I would be a bit more cautious because you are in the middle of divorce court, correct? Don’t post anything that could possibly affect your case.
I would never in a million years talk about sex with nearly anyone I know in the way I have here! Haha. I’d be too embarrassed. I can’t even ask someone in bed for something 90% of the time. Oh well—I’m done with that for a long while anyway.
My ex is too emotionally dull to read this stuff and would just think I’m hysterical but he’s too lazy to punch back in this way. He’s “STEM”smart—that is it. His flavor of narcissism would reject the blog and anything I’ve put in it. I’m coal black and anything I write is rubbish. He’s entirely predictable in terms of his thoughts/behaviors. HG told me we can’t control his fuel needs though so that serves as the premise to ignite the behaviors. The behaviors are the same though—no surprises. Pity plays, victim, deflection, blame shifting, etc. He is utterly incapable of grasping what he is—my participation here is “she’s nuts” but he is lazy and whiny so no one really cares. As far as anyone knowing who I am.. IF there were a pernicious interest in me it would be indicative of their pathology. Yes, a few people know me. We risk getting to know people in all facets of our lives. Risk/benefit analysis each day we breathe.. I knew it was a risk to contact HG contrary to sensibility but I was desperate. He’s a ton smarter than anyone on the “circuit” so I’m glad I did.
Claire, yes, MRN is STEM smart too and that is it. He would never in a million years find this blog – he isn’t curious enough and of course as a narc he is always moving forward and seeking fuel. I am sure you are very safe here, whatever you choose to talk about.
If he does find it I hope he knows I find him as predictable as an ape scratching all over—frolicking on tree lumps or whatever apes do.
Claire, Actually, if mine finds this, he won’t be fazed. On several occasions I caught him out on something and he had absolutely no reaction – not even curious about how I found out. No fear.
HG has taught us how dull the mid rangers and lessers really are. Many of these otherwise intelligent and capable people’s sensibilities are completely obscured by their narcissism. Interestingly though—I find my own sensibilities are utterly incapacitated by my own emotional short comings. It’s different yet the same. They thrive on fuel—but I stir the pot too and do stupid things based on what I get from the narcissist. It’s a very symbiotic dance SMH. I have no control over how my ex functions—nor will he ever. I do have control over modifying how I get my needs met thankfully. It’s extremely hard work.
That’s true, Claire. I think of narcissism as a membrane that covers the the brain. Any thoughts, insights, concerns, inner feelings, admissions, are trapped by that membrane. I used to say that dealing with MRN was like dealing with a flat paper bag instead of a balloon. I don’t know why I chose those two things but that is how I thought of it – something was missing that meant his brain could not inflate. He was the first to admit that he had few emotions and was unable to understand those of other people. Impossible to explain to him what a human being was. You are right that it was symbiotic. I think I got what I needed for part of the time and then I wasn’t getting what I needed anymore but I was too deep into it to believe it. And yes we have control over ourselves. Good thing to keep in mind!
It sure is symbiotic. Normal men make me anxious and I only assume they are normal because I’m anxious around them. Now not like the whole time or anything ridiculous—just no chemistry and I don’t want to engage. Arrogance, seductive behavior, intensity and mesmerizing conversation is unhealthy and what I feel at home with. Especially arrogance—the more of that the better. I almost feel safer with an arrogant man. Basically it’s a total mess.
Claire, sorry to say that it is a mess! Normal men do not make me anxious at all. They might not interest me much, but they don’t make me anxious either. Like you, I am drawn to intensity and mesmerizing conversation, but not to arrogance, which turns me off. I am not very good at ego stroking. It is miraculous that I lasted as long as I did with MRN because I can’t take seriously that anyone really needs to be worshipped like that.
SMH, Claire, if mine can find the time to read this blog instead of posting selfies on Facebook and sending unsolicited dick pics, I want him to know this: the yellow swimming trunk with the matching cap was a terrible choice and it made you look like a fried egg. And your choice of ties is deplorable. You have absolutely no sense of style. Also, having so many muscles is OK if you spend the rest of your life in a desert island, but every time you wear a suit, you look like Hulk. Oh, that felt so good I hope he finds this blog, at least to remedy his fashion disasters…
lol SP. Surely he will recognize himself from that description!
But SP, what if I find out that I’m a normal? I’ll have to leave! I’d rather live with the illusion that I have super powers!
SMH, that was my fear too. But you won’t and if you are we will love you the same!
Aww thank you, SP. I know I am not normal but I am not sure that not being normal makes me an empath, if you know what I mean. Are narcs, normals and empaths the only kinds of people in the world? I actually sometimes think that I am a borderline!
Hahahaha OK then, let’s be all that we can from the b cluster! I pick Histrionic. In all seriousness, when I found out about cluster b I swore I saw myself in all the descriptions instead of not feeling empathy. Then I read cluster c and I was convinced I had the anxious disorder. In the end I’m afraid I’m just a hypochondriac!
HG—do I have cluster B really bad too?!
No.
No
Oh sweet Jesus. I worry about these things.
Do I, HG? Just kidding. What I do have is hypomania. It explains a lot. I get the highs of mania but not the depression part. I am pretty high functioning but often irritable. It doesn’t last long, however.
HG, I broke NC for some unfathomable reason – I snooped on social media. I don’t know why as nothing in particular has happened. One thing led to another until I was staring at MRN’s and IPPS’s IG. It was all the same as it’s ever been, which I think is kind of dangerous because that made it feel perfectly normal and that not only had nothing changed between IPPS and MRN – they still do not post pics of each other or mention each other – but that nothing had changed between me and MRN. I am not explaining myself very well but once again it is as if time stands still and he is waiting for me to reach out, which I know you have said is how it goes. Should I talk to you about it or just let it pass? I don’t think it will derail me but it might if I am not careful.
Hello SMH,
It would be worth having a discussion with me as I will be able to identify why this breach occurred in the first place and also address what needs to be done. Well done on recognising a breach and knowing something needs to be done about it, your have not lost insight and remain within the Window of Evasion.
SMH, me too! Except I do get the depression also. I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar II which is hypomania/depression. It is nothing like NPD. Have you noticed that some tend to use the two disorders interchangeably? Drives me crazy! (See what I did there?) ha ha just kidding. I’m a good kind of crazy with or without bipolar. It’s not who I am, it’s just this thing I have to take medicine for. Treatment is effective. Although I do miss those times of energy and brilliance. It got me into trouble though when the depression hit and I became overwhelmed by all that I had taken on. I still have the highs and lows, they are just muted. When I’m on a high, I tend to get bored and go looking for trouble also. (Or get so agitated I lose my job. Could go either way!)
I said all of this to say, I get you and you aren’t the only one that has made a bad decision in pursuit of excitement! The key is to recognize your mood and realize you are vulnerable. Way easier said than done though as I tend to recognize the moods only in hindsight.
Hang in there, dust yourself off. No contact is worth it. Tell the ET to hit the road Jack!
Hi MB. I don’t read all comments so maybe that is why I haven’t had the impression some people here use Bipolar and Narcissistic PD interchangeably. I made a comment not long ago about how some Boderlines could be misdiagnosed narcissists (something HG talked about in an interview and that made perfect sense to me). I hope that my comment is not what made you say the above because I was not speaking of bipolar disorder.
It has been said that some narcs can have a bipolar disorder too. I believe that is what my sisters ex husband had.
Lou, goodness no! I should have been more clear. People in real life and in society tend to interchange the two. Narcsite readers are well educated on the subject of narcissism and know how it presents. I don’t get offended or get on a soap box either. It’s just testament that we as a society have a long way to go with awareness and education about mental health.
Bipolar = batshit crazy to most people too. It doesn’t offend me. It just means they are undereducated about the disorder. Very few people in my life know about my diagnosis. I don’t want people to change the way they see me. I’m just MB. That’s all they need to know.
There could absolutely be comorbidity with NPD and any host of other disorders. The human brain is fascinating. The lengths to which it will go to protect us from our environment is nothing short of miraculous.
MB, thanks a lot for your explanation. I understand you don’t want people to know about your diagnosis in real life. I know society in general is poorly educated about mental health and that there is a lot of prejudices which it is better to avoid.
I agree, it is fascinating how our brains create coping mechanisms to protect us and help us survive. I think prejudices may be another very common mechanism of the human brain to make oneself feel better or stronger, or to not spend too much energy thinking (mental laziness). It also has to do with what society wants to have portrayed as normal.
Lou, this “normal” you speak of sounds like no fun at all! 😜 Ha ha
lol again, MB. I would have to agree. Normal sounds like no fun at all. I had a partner who was bipolar and also an alcoholic (recovering – didn’t drink). I think alcoholism and narcissism are more alike than bipolar and narcissism.
lol, MB. I am better now. I will discuss with HG if it seems to be a pattern but I also think I know why it happened. The part of me that is a savior empath thinks I still need to rescue MRN and it frustrates me that I cannot talk to him at all, much less about the things I used to enjoy talking to him about. It’s not an emotional kind of missing at all. It’s more intellectual. Of course it would turn emotional if he ensared me again but luckily I stayed within the Window of Evasion (something new I learned from HG). Now back to NC.
I like being hypomanic. I am not on any meds for it. Not sure what they would give me and why lose those highs? Yes I can be irritable and/or obsessive, but mostly I am not, and often when I am, I am also very productive. I just have to be careful as you say of my moods and also that I do not burn out, because that happened once. I do have a tendency to chase excitement and odd situations. That is what got me into trouble with MRN, who is somewhat of an adrenaline junkie too.
I am surprised you even know what I mean because I didn’t think most people knew what hypomanic was. No one has ever used bipolar and hypomanic interchangeably with me.
There is some bipolar in my family – a couple of mood disorders in the younger generation – but my mother is the only one with NPD!
Mood or personality disorder. Take your pick!
I misread you, MB. I thought you meant hypomania and bipolar were used interchangeably. I have never heard anyone mistake NPD for bipolar or the other way around, though I could imagine mistaking hypomania for borderline. As I said in my other comment, mood or personality disorder – which would you choose! Ha. I guess the difference is that one can be treated and the other cannot – one is chemical and the other is structural? I am not really sure.
Hi HG, I second your recommendation wholeheartedly. I really did not know what to say, but made an effort in the only way I could.
Thank you.
To me, FYC? You were very helpful. In any case, I haven’t gotten to most of the comments for the past two days because I haven’t had time. It is late now and I must go to sleep but I will see if you have written more tomorrow. I did find my conversation with you very helpful and I am not in any danger of going any further. There is no emergency. I was just curious as to why I did that at this particulart juncture and maybe a bit panicky for awhile there. It is really good to know that you, HG, and everyone is here if I truly need an intervention.
Thank you, SMH, I’m very glad you felt it was helpful. If you did breach NC, I am certain HG would have excellent advice and strategies to deal with it. It sounds like you may not have? In any case, I hope you remain NC. You will be totally fine on your own!
Hi FYC, No I did not breach NC – at least not dangerously. It is still on my mind but I don’t think I feel compelled to go any further. In fact, what I did might stop me because my curiousity is laid to rest. Nothing changes, everything stays the same.
Hello HG and thank you for your considered response and for the new term – Window of Evasion. I never came across it before but I know exactly what it means.
I didn’t feel compelled to write to him or anything but I do still have this weird sense that nothing has changed. I think I said on here once that it feels like just a very long period of shelving. It’s so strange.
I think I know why it happened, though. I wrote it all out yesterday to FYC. Some changes/transitions, including things I would want to share with MRN on an intellectual level. That is the part that I miss. I feel a bit at sea not being able to talk to him but I also know that my imagining that he would be supportive or even interested are just that, imaginings.
I am in a pretty good place, not wallowing, and looking forward to what comes next. My plan is to make changes in the patterns that I had when MRN was in my life so that I no longer associate certain things with him. I am back to NC and will let you know if I fail again because then it will be a pattern that will need intervention rather than an anomaly.
Plus, I have a feeling you and I share school and cadre. But only HG can let you know for sure.
That would make sense, SP, your cadence and the way you express yourself are very close to how I think I am, not to mention that we are both Tauruses and wear V-neck T’s :). I can’t really tell how I am from inside me but I actually think I am too disordered to be a super empath. I don’t have the kind of self-control that seems to come with that territory. I need HG to tell me what I am but maybe I should wait until I’ve gone awhile without irritating him! Otherwise, he might punish me by telling me I am a normal!!
Lou
I am totally down with the Super Empath T-shirt! Recently, I saw the word Empathy painted on the wall of a local elementary school, I was shocked and NPD is being used more, as well, but we have a long way to go. People just don’t realize the severity of the problem.
It is a good idea not to overestimate some people. My husband knows for a fact I read this blog and comment. He would never be curious enough to independently find out what I say and he won’t read anything on here unless I hand it to him and say “here, read this”. Following along in a conversation is not his strong suit to begin with.
Yay!! I want one of each!!! This is so exciting! Congratulations HG! Time to shop!! 😘🙃
Thanks FM1T.
Thank you HG!! 🙃
OMG! I am getting a mug and a shirt! Brilliant!
Fill your boots (or your shopping bag K)!
HG
Ha ha ha…I am on it!
If you ever come out of the closet, I would love a Bobblehead Tudor doll!
Ha ha, I have made a note.
HG, you CAN have a bobble head. Just use my dream of you where you appeared as an Amish doll.
The mind boggles. And bobbles.
Tangerine swim trunks a must.
I have packed a purple pair (with the tangerine also).
Can we get an arm picture gravatar?
Ha ha
Not like I’m asking for your rear end. That would be weird and wrong on many levels.
Not so weird or wrong! 🤣🙃
No quite wrong! He has some creepy stuff to deal with. Crazy women..
Just checking??? Hahaha 🙃
Claire, for a short time in the not so distant past, we had a hand and a cell phone and even a bit of neck. Maybe he will reprise that gravatar?
MB, I suggested one eye but HG did not approve …
Stink eye?
That, or the psychopath stare, whichever you feel like at the moment, HG.
Ask Pamela for it. She’s looked into his eyes. (Allegedly)
Ha ha.
Lol.
MB
Hahaha. Part of the reason you were missed.
Thank you NA, of course you’re the Queen of Zingers! I’ve missed being here.
Does he use Apple products?
Claire, I couldn’t tell you. I was focused on the neck. Just guessing though, I say yes. I do know he uses a MacBook.
Good. Apple is where it is!
Claire. You just gave me an idea for my next tattoo
Do tell!
Claire..with HG’s permission……”I crossed the emotional sea” written around a pirate ship riding high waves…….
Great idea!! 😊
Look up rember tatooes. They are masterpieces. (IG has a huge collection of his work)
b
Re: rear end pic. If Springsteen could do it on the cover of Born in the USA, I see no reason why you can’t.
I’m sure you’ve had x
K
Re: Bobblehead Tudor
I second that and suggest an action figure as well!
Imagine a series of HG Tudor graphic novels depicting his posts here. With his artistic instincts it would be excellent! The bobble could be his graphic image to protect his identity. It could be a whole new enterprise. Watch out Marvel!
FYC
Graphic novels are a hit with the children and they could learn how to identify and fight the enemy (the narc) with GOSO!
Great point, K. It would be wonderful to help kids deal with something so challenging, adults too. Considering Marvel films have grossed billions at the box office over that past decade, there is potential in film too. Would probably need PG13 and R versions lol. I can already envision many here as characters 😉
FYC
The 8-9-year-olds love Graphic Novels. It would be a great medium to teach children about NPD.
Desirée
Ha ha ha….HG could be like Darth Vader and the empaths could be like Jedi Knights!
Like? I am, save I’m better looking.
You already have the voice, just saying…
Without the wheezing.
True. But if you added it to some of your audios, it could turn into a cool effect, as in “Personal Jesus.”
HG is Darth Vader?
DADDY!!!!
Ha ha ha……of course you are much, much better looking, HG!
I guarantee I’ve bagged better looking narcs! You aren’t spell-binding. Come on. Ok—I’ll give it to you that you may be attractive. But I’ve had some way hot losers!
I’m good looking and a winner. Fin.
Well they weren’t lesser losers. Losers in that they were narcissists! Haha
Not all narcissists are losers.
Quit defending emotional vampires. You are the only one I wish to speak to. You get a free pass.
This will be a spleen vent, but it’s not directed toward Claire or HG directly. It is just an opinion. I invite other perspectives.
I prefer to separate people and their behaviors from black and white labels (even though I understand the intent) that cannot be objectively measured.
People in general demonstrate many behaviors, positive and negative. The same is true for narcissists. Narcissists, even in their highly defended state, can demonstrate positive behaviors and possess admirable knowledge and skills that benefit many others (e.g. Steve Jobs). They can also cause great damage.
I am not excusing negative or abusive behaviors. I perceive cruelty or abuse as wrong, full stop. By all means, call out bad behavior and stand strong or walk away. Yet there is no escaping the fact that narcissists, were also abused when they were created and the cycle continues through generations.
There are no winners or loses in a narcissistic relationship, only the manipulators and the manipulated. No one wins. All the more reason to disengage and not give more energy to a person or event that no one involved can control. This is the entire reason why GOSO is critical and strong boundaries are a must.
Lastly, if I were to use the label “winner,” HG would always be one to me for all he does for me/us. So too would be the intelligent and caring empaths that stay and help others. You are all so very appreciated.
I agree and like.
I like it too FYC (my like button doesn’t work).
It’s a fine balance, because people need a safe place to vent but it isn’t the narcissist’s fault he or she behaves the way they do. ET v LT.
Thank you, Lou and K.
I agree, K. I have no problem with someone venting freely about any abuse they suffered. It’s after the fact (or with people not involved in the abuse) that I think it is not helpful for either party.
FYC
I agree; I am in the fuel matrices of several narcissists (related to library, school and school functions) that I get along with. We socialize and laugh; they didn’t ask to be NPDed. And my heart breaks for the children who are NPDed.
I agree too, FYC. People are more than just their disorders. I am still very fond of MRN. For everything he did that was fucked up, he still made me laugh and he could be very sweet. He never ever criticized me, was always calm and was very smart. There were a lot of things that I loved about him but the relationship was toxic, and I think that is what we are all learning – to walk away from toxic relationships.
I did feel for him but I didn’t know until after I had escaped exactly what was wrong with him. There were times when we were close but those wouldn’t last as he would always pull away almost in a panic (intimacy issues). Sometimes I did too (I can be quite avoidant myself) and we never had deep talks about his childhood or mine.
Hi SMH, Thank you for sharing your experience. I think the highly defended nature of narcissism necessitates denial of real intimacy. The risk is simply too great and intimacy is experienced as threatening to their protective construct. The original love, need, trust, hope, etc., the N naturally possessed at birth were obliterated by their abusive parent(s) and replaced with fear, pain, shame, and denial. The defense construct of narcissism was created in order to (literally) survive that experience.
I have experienced what you have described with a few different Ns–moments of reduced defenses, where genuine bits of true self and emotional intimacy escape–but are quickly dismissed or denied and the construct snaps back into place. I valued those moments and understood the need of the N not to acknowledge them and to deny them.
I think the bottom line is, narcissism is not a choice. It is a natural genetic, neurological and psychological response to abuse that forever changes the way the N experiences the world around them (and perpetuates the abuse of others). We can have compassion for their experience, while not putting ourselves in the way of the abuse that naturally follows, nor excuse abusive behavior.
Hi FYC,
Yes, I understood all of that now but I am not willing to be someone’s punching bag.
Back then I would look up things like approach/avoid, intimacy issues, etc. When we were together we were always in this bubble. I would try to make things safe but we made no progress at all. The time we were closest he came over to meet my son. My son was asleep so we just lay on the bed, talked and fooled around a bit. It was probably the nicest and most relaxed time we had together.
But you know what I did the next day? I made an appointment with my shrink because I knew he would pull away. Sure enough, the following week we had what was basically our first and only fight when he suggested that I was becoming an ‘obligation’ (he said ‘you shouldn’t be an obligation too’) like IPPS, kids, his boss, etc. I went stone cold. He sort of apologized but a few weeks later we mutually agreed to end it.
That was only one of the umpteen times I thought it was finally and truly over, however!! Six months later he tried to get me to return to the relationship. We saw each other, it was nice (again) but I was more detached, kept my wits about me, watched his behavior, and two weeks later said no. THEN (again it wasn’t over) he got very dependent on me until I inadvertently wounded him. Now I believe it is well and truly over since he has moved and we have been out of contact for more than a year.
I wonder if I could have better handled it now that I have found this site but I have to say that the whole thing was exhausting.
Are you a psychologist?
Hi SMH, No, I am not a psychologist. I have simply read a great deal of material on a variety of topics in an attempt to better understand many things. I would never advocate anyone remain in an abusive relationship, nor would I suggest, or be, another’s punching bag under any circumstances. I was only discussing the dynamic of N and intimacy (and lack thereof). From my perspective, you made a good choice to leave.
Hi FYC, Yes, it was a good choice, thank you, but I should have done it much sooner. I did, in fact, leave him a month after I met him because I sensed he was controlling and even told my friends as much. He would want to see me when I wasn’t available – even coming to my flat uninvited one day – but would disappear when I was available. I knew immediately what was happening.
But that did not stick, and nor did the other four times until the final time. I was in such a state of high anxiety all the time that I could not tell if it was him or me. But after six months NC, I was grounded enough to be able to say no and to mean it, and I was fine the whole time we were trying to be ‘friends’ up until the very end. I would even leave the conversations when he steered them in a direction that made me uncomfortable. NC really makes a difference.
I broke it yesterday after more than a year because I think I am writing too much here and living it again through my writing. It wasn’t a serious breach – no direct contact – but he is now lodged in my head again. No idea how that happens or why, but it feels like no time has passed and he is waiting for me to reach out because I always have before. Anyway, I am sure it will pass… thanks for listening and asking questions!
Hi SMH, I’m happy to listen and will try to offer something useful to consider. The fact that you left after a month was likely due to your subconscious perceiving something off/not ok for you. His controlling behavior that emerged is certainly a red flag. His present/future faking of claiming he wants to see you but not being there when you are is another flag. But there must have been qualities that your conscious mind enjoyed–enough to quell your subconscious into submission.
The processing of emotions and thoughts is a complex process. There are literally millions of connections that bring together the parts of the brain that process everything we experience. Further, we assign thousands of associations to our experiences that dictate how we interpret future experiences. When we have compound emotions (a mix of emotional messages) an ambiguous response results and we then have to separate out the mixed messages, assign a new association and resolve any challenges (cognitive dissonance results when we cannot). Anxiety throws a wrench in the works and hijacks effective cognition. Cognitive dissonance can keep us wanting to solve the unsolvable problem even when all hope is already extinguished.
SMH, I am sorry you felt drawn to make contact after a year of no contact. I would not be surprised if it was your subconscious revisiting something unresolved. It can happen to anyone. The good news is, you can choose to restart NC again today. May I suggest coming to your own conclusion so that you can put your mind to rest? Whatever feels incomplete for you, ask yourself if resolved, could it make up for all that you know now about narcissism? I doubt it could. It’s okay to move on and let go. There are more fulfilling experiences and people in your future that await you. We are all here pulling for you too.
Thank you, FYC! I am much better today. Whenever I get in that state now – it happens very rarely – I say to myself that it can wait until tomorrow. Then tomorrow comes and I say it again until I forget about it.
I think I know what the problems are right now. MRN and one of my best friends both moved last year. MRN was pretty reliable in his unreliable way. He and that friend really anchored me. Now I am moving too (sort of). A pretty intense and rewarding era has ended. I am not sad about it – it is just a transition and transitions are always hard.
There are also lots of fantastic things happening for me so I don’t feel in the least bit unlucky. I think what is unresolved is that I would like to be able to talk to MRN about it (hard to explain without giving too much away but it has to do with our professions, which are weirdly synergistic for two people who met purely by chance).
I don’t approve of what he does for a living. I never told him that in so many words, but I did encourage him to quit his job during my final escape. He did and I think I was either the first person he told or the second (after IPPS – not even sure he told her before he told me). He asked for my approval and I was really proud of him because it was a hard thing to do. He floundered for awhile and then moved on to something similar, which disappoints me because he has a lot of skills that could be put towards something much less destructive.
In the meantime, I am doing something closer to his skills training than to mine, but healing instead of destroying, and I would want his input on some aspects of what I am doing. That is one reason I tried to be friends with him post-escape.
I think I thought I could free him and bring him into the fulfilling experiences and people that are in my life right now and always have been. It is therefore more about me wanting to rescue him than about me wanting him to rescue me. I guess that is my savior empath side. I really admired his intelligence and he knows that – that is one of the qualities that kept me going back – but I think he wastes his abilities. So it’s not just the emotional stuff.
I think I have made some huge breakthroughs writing to you these past few days. I am very grateful to you for responding! You might not be a psychologist, but you should be, not just for your insights but for asking the right questions and drawing people out.
Hello SMH, I am so glad you are making breakthroughs! You are strong and capable and do not need your MRN to help you with work. People we care(d) about moving on or out of our lives is always a form of loss we grieve (I do not mean that dramatically, but literally). It takes a bit of time. The fact that you have so many new changes at the same time adds to that. I understand. Just be really good to yourself. You have much to celebrate!
Thank you for your kind compliments. I always care, but I think I just happened to be here when you happened to be ready to process all of this, as you did so quite effectively on your own. I am certain you will meet many new people where you are going that will support you and you will really enjoy. Remember you need not save anyone, because only we can save ourselves. I am happy for you, SMH. You will be great in your job and I wish you the very best!
Thank you, FYC! You did not have to be there to have this conversation with me but you were and that is very generous of you. Sometimes it just takes articulating things to make sense of them and then they disappear. No thoughts today about MRN at all. In fact, it was more ‘what was I thinking’?!!
Funnily enough, I have a work narc who is a lot like MRN and is giving me all sorts of headaches. He is making part of my working life kind of hellish and he risks turning me into a non-functioning appliance, which would not be good for him in this particular professional situation. It doesn’t bode well or badly for my general work life – just for this thing I have to work on with him. I could walk away – no one could do a thing about it – but I feel that I want to learn more from what I am doing so I am going to have to try to hang in there without blowing a fuse the way I did with MRN.
What? Against Hayden Christiansen? Seen more animation in a 2 x 4 but he sure was purdy!
The HG stands for Handsome Greater.
HG have you ever been in my area? I ask because I saw this amazing narc once. Will never forget. I figure he was a narc bc I could “see” him differently, can’t be sure though I guess.
I am everywhere NB.
Ha, HG, I was wondering where you’d go with that or even if you had a good idea where I’m referring to, but I was really curious. I have no ability to ever identify the person, but I guess in my mind they represent what I think you’d look like.
Hi SMH, Sorry I missed your last comment. With regard to your new work MRN, I would suggest something new I have learned, OOCGE (observe only, cease giving energy) from HG and K. When your MRN does the usual machinations, recognize them for what they are only (OO), but immediately cease giving any energy (CGE) to such actions. It is a wonderful tool that can be used in so many ways (past and present) to keep from getting your thoughts or emotions caught up or hijacked by N behavior. Very much a secret weapon against machinations. Give it a try and let me know what you think!
FYC
I like to think of it as Operation: Oscar Oscar Charlie Golf Echo. It comes in handy when I am doing field work.
Ah, that is what it is, K. I didn’t dare ask :). FYC, yes, that is good advice and is basically what I have been doing. I don’t think work narc is a narc but he does have a habit of being ‘absent’ – not uncontactable but dodging things. I will have a good opportunity to see him in action because we will soon be travelling together for two weeks (not alone). But I know anyway that I will have to pick up a lot of the slack because I have to have his back in this particular situation. His success is mine and vice versa. I will do that because I am a savior that way! I don’t think he is manipulating me. He’s just not seeing things that I see.
SMH
Ha ha ha…you don’t have to ask. Just Google: narcsite OOCGE and watch the magic happen!
K, I thought it was some sort of inside joke that you had just devised on the spot!
SMH
Ha ha ha…no, it wasn’t an inside joke; I was just being puckish with the acronym.
I will never forget it now, K. It is seared in my brain.
Hi SMH, I tried to reply sooner but could not get it to go through. Glad to hear you already OOCGE! It is an excellent set of skills to master. I do understand your situation and while not ideal, I’m sure you will succeed anyway.😉
Thank you for your persistence, FYC. I often lose track of what I have posted or who has responded, so goodness knows if I have insulted anyone that way (I am sure I have in other ways!). If I am successful, I will sleep well. If I am unsuccessful, it will be quite a spectacular failure. I don’t do anything, include fail, by halves.
Lol, Do share your field work stories!
FYC
Ha ha ha…I most certainly will share. This is a N v N situation.
My daughter’s friend is up north for a dog sitting job and we are certain that this young lady is a narcissist. Based on the dog owner’s behaviour, the DO is definitely a narcissist*. So I translated the DO’s behaviour for the young lady and, afterwards, she asked my daughter if a lot of people have it (NPD)? Then she said, “Some of it sounds like me.” She also recognized the behaviour in her mother and brother.
Red Flags: the DO is a serious hoarder and her house is filthy! I saw the video and it was pretty bad, worse than my mother’s house.
K, I think narcissism is more common than believed. I feel sorry for the dog! I hope your daughter is unscathed by either of these Ns.
FYC
NPD is everywhere! My daughter’s friend now lives in Florida so they do not see each other often and her friend has the facade up and running so it is all good. The DO is in Europe for a month and I think the dogs (2 greyhounds) are ok.
K, Glad to hear all is okay. I do see N traits so frequently it amazes me. No doubt this has always been the case, I was simply unaware of many N behaviors prior to KTNU! You are like a grad student TA for HG at KTNU, and we all learn from your N translations (and citations/links)!
Thank you FYC!
Ha ha ha…I really enjoy working on and sharing the translations with all of you at KTNU!
Thank you, K, and please keep them coming. They really help me in honing detection/identification skills.
My pleasure FYC
And I will keep them coming.
Id buy an HG bobblehead and put it on my dash 😄
Chihuahuamum – I read gash instead of dash. Had to reread… that gave me an idea.
HG Tudor should produce some narc dildos and stamp them with HOT. Some emphasis on ‘O’ That would be the closest any woman will get to Tudor intimately. Maybe HG will let me design them. One with wings since he loves to fly hi’….
No, the dildos will have Once You Know You Oohhhhhhh
“Once you know you go,” switches to “once you know you come.”
Very good.
Hahaha. Will you be wanting pictures of those purchases as well?
It should be in a gift set with HUSH audio.
And will be modelled on his own ‘weapon’. Taken from life. I’ve looked into this and everything.
It might be a tad uncomfortable HG but think of your loyal fans. A few moments of pain for literally lifetimes of pleasure the world over.
I want 10%
once you’re done you’ve come? This is taking a strange turn. I will go watch cute kittens on youtube now.
Bahahaha! I’m at work I almost burst out at “ooohhhh”.
He needs to stay in the closet. I actually worry for his safety because of the nut jobs out there. I don’t understand how he’s never been identified so far though. HG—in your confessions book (I have not finished it) it suggests certain people know they are featured. How can this be?
Not being detected is what I do professionally so it is easy to ensure nobody knows I am HG Tudor.
They did not know precisely what they were featuring in.
That is good, you should stay on the shelf in that closet.
HG, It would be great if you could share some of your special knowledge and skills (without compromising your position) on how not to be detected. I am sure it would be very helpful for those who seek to avoid detection and hoovers by their narcissist(s) and/or stalkers. I had a stalker in real life a several years ago and was fortunate to be trained by a professional at the time on how to remain safe. Many do not have these resources available. If you wrote a book on this I believe it would be very successful in the mainstream.
Thank you FYC. It is in the to do list with many other items.
Great to know, HG. I am sure your to do list is a mile long, but you are so prolific I am equally sure you will get it done. Thank you very much for everything you accomplish (including your real life job).
You are welcome and thank you for the suggestion, they are always welcome from you and other readers.
My pleasure, HG, and good to know.
FYC, that is an excellent suggestion and I would love to learn from HG. I’m sure many victims of stalkers (not necessarily narcs) would benefit from this, thus widening HG’s target market too. Imagine all the victims of gender abuse (domestic and other types) that could learn from his experience to go incognito!
“not being detected is what I do professionally” – HG is 007 confirmed!
Not quite. Everybody knows who Bond is. ‘Ah Mr Bond I’ve been expecting you.’
Indeed! Very good point HG.
Thank you Renarde.
Well, as always with you, it’s so timely. A point I have been greatly worrying about. (Not your timeliness, the aware).
The Lessers and Middles are so very easy to spot. Its the Greaters that worry me. I sometimes wonder why others on here don’t express the same concern?
And as you say, a true Greater will suddenly be THERE. No announcement. No fan fair unless that’s how they want to arrive.
Most vexatious! The Swines!
Renarde, Personally, I do not think I am Greater material so I do not worry about it. I definitely attract way more mid-rangers and lessers.
Fair point.
Re: HG being 007
Mystery solved
.
They’ve both known Pussy Galore.
She is in the left seat piloting the plane.
I don’t know about galore, but eight at least: OctoPussy.
Really though, I second FYCs suggestion, that would be most interesting and if you ever have the time to get around to it, I cant wait to read it.
HG
Re: everbody knows, who Bond is
True that. So you’re a level above even him, then? You truly are an ultra.
Of course.
NarcAngel
Re: the left seat
so it was pussy galore in the piloting seat? Makes perfect sense, we have finally come full circle.
Renarde, I don’t know but I expect with greaters it’s noticing messing with eye expressions, what is their job and maybe a bent toward saving the world? Just some guesses. Then triangulation or any black and white view of people.
I see the mugs come in different colors!
Claire
I got a pink: Once you know, you go mug and a black: I
Exorcise With HG Tudor shirt. I love the pink!
K, I’m a pink girl also!! I have to have the ‘Once you know you go’ Hoodie and the mug to sit on my desk so my evil boss who believes I am so “restrained” can do a bit of Cluedo work and realise I am on to her!!
I am proud to wear the HG Tudor logo any day of the week. Love, love, love that pink!
Sarah
Ha ha ha…be careful, that mug might be considered challenge fuel!!! Sooner or later, she will instinctively know the jig is up. The pink is awesome and I am eagerly looking forward to delivery of the goods.
Very valid point K…unfortunately though that ship has sailed!!
I am the Strategic Advisor to the Director. I have worked at the organisation for a very long time and I have the CEO’s favour and his ear (of which my boss has none). I am like oil on water and challenge fuel albeit a necessary evil (for now of course). The mug won’t help my cause, but let’s face it, despite being very useful and enjoying a lengthy golden period, once she is embedded within the organisation I am in the gun!
So I heard K!
You are welcome Renarde
Awwww…your comment made me get all teary eyed and I am trying to maintain my stoic side. XO
Be stoic darling! X Always be stoic
Renarde
Ha ha ha…today I am Michonne from The Walking Dead.