The Empathic Supernova


What is the Empathic Supernova?

In order to detail this phenomenon, it is first necessary to consider when it might appear and what is behind its appearance.

The repeated application of our manipulations is deployed for the purposes of maintaining control over you. This control reinforces our notion of superiority,  omnipotence and impregnability and enables us to draw fuel from our appliances and most of all you as our primary source.

I have made mention of the Empathic Group, the group which lies to the left of the empathic-narcissistic spectrum and within this group there are three schools of the empathic individual; the Co-Dependent, the Super Empath and the Empath.

The sustained application of the many and varied manipulations produces results for us. It also takes its toll on our victims. The Co-Dependent will cling on, desperate for the self-definition which manifests as a consequence of their ensnarement with us. They will soak up the abuse, the confusion and the control until they reach a point of breakdown. The cumulative effect of the silent treatments, the gas lighting, the physical abuse, the psychological trauma, financial mistreatment and sexual degradation eventually causes the limpet-like Co-Dependent to collapse into numbness, malfunction and potential hospitalisation. They gave and gave until suddenly they fell off the cliff and their fuel provision remained impressive on Monday and by Tuesday it had stopped. No longer capable of pumping out fuel, attending to our requirements and showering us with appropriate traits and residual benefits, this failure to function invariably brings about the discard of this individual. The discarded Co-Dependent, although distraught at the loss of the narcissist which they crave, is in no position to try to bring about the resumption of the relationship and thus, whilst we focus on their replacement primary source, they are allowed a period by which they can recover and once the lights switch back on again and the fuel starts to pump, the devaluation of their replacement has begun, so we come looking and hoovering for the Co-Dependent. Unable to resist, because of the nature of the hoovering and their own vulnerability, they are hoovered back in and the narcissistic cycle continues.

Whilst third parties may try to assist the Co-Dependent to see and understand what has happened to them, their own substantial need to connect with a narcissist means it is very hard to make them take notice and stay away from us. Unless physically removed and isolated, the Co-Dependent will drift back to us. If not the original narcissist, a replacement narcissist will invariably be found.

The empathic-narcissistic spectrum is a sliding scale that represents both empathic and narcissistic traits. On the far left the empathic traits are more numerous and stronger whilst the narcissistic traits are fewer and weaker. Move to the right and the empathic traits begin to lessen in number, their effects less evident and the narcissistic traits begin to increase and become more prevalent. Eventually, as one reaches the Narcissistic Group, on the right of this spectrum, the empathic traits have disappeared and all that remain are narcissistic traits which become more numerous and stronger the further right one goes within this Narcissistic Group.

Accordingly, with the Co-Dependent, he or she will have many empathic traits and they are strong in nature. Their devotion to love, their honesty, decency, excellent listening skills, positivity etc are most evident and contribute to create a highly empathic individual. The narcissistic traits are almost invisible and the few that exist are weak. Accordingly, this prevalence of empathic traits attracts and is attracted to the prevalence of extensive and strong narcissistic traits. They locked together, complementing one another and consequently the Co-Dependent is inexorably drawn to those within the Narcissistic Group, with next to nothing in terms of their own narcissistic traits to act as some kind of repellant.

The Empath may also find themselves shutting down, but more usually they are prevented from reaching a position of complete numbing though the intervention of a third party. Sure enough the toll exacted on the Empath is considerable and has damaging consequences, but, in general, they manage to avoid more often the fate of the Co-Dependent. Instead, rather than giving and giving until shut down occurs (as is the case with the Co-Dependent) the Empath’s performance deteriorates in terms of fuel output in a more gradual fashion which means that when it dips below a threshold of acceptability for our kind, the Empath is also discarded. Not so damaged as to be unable to function, the Empath will endeavour to re-connect with our kind, having sufficient energy and ability to do so, but they will be shunned as part of this discard until it is time to hoover them. Unaware of what they have been ensnared by and with capabilities improved after a period of respite arising from the discard, the Empath is sucked back in by the narcissist and thus the narcissistic cycle continues.

The Empath however may also realise that something is wrong, or assisted by third parties and more amenable to listening, takes notice of what these third parties are telling him or her. They have a moment of ‘awakening’ and with that realise that they must remain away from our grip, however hurtful and hard it may be and thus they eventually escape, putting distance between them and our kind.

The Empath has numerous empathic traits and they are of strength but they are not on the same scale as the Co-Dependent. The Empath will have some narcissistic traits, not many and not especially strong in nature, but they will have more narcissistic traits than the Co-Dependent. Their status as an Empath (along with the fact that there are more Empaths than Co-Dependents) means that Empaths become the bread and butter target for our kind. They too are attracted to us, not with the almost hopeless vulnerability of the Co-Dependent, but they remain not only attracted to our kind but a target.

Finally, there is the Super Empath. The Super Empath is an excellent provider of fuel also and comes with a confidence and a fieriness which proves most tempting to our kind. The Super Empath sees his or her role as helping, fixing, healing and brining goodness to those around them. They have considerable energy, they are capable and their capacity for sustaining our abuses also makes them a considerably attractive prospect. The Co-Dependent can sustain considerable abuse until suddenly, like a light being extinguished, that is it. The Empath also can sustain our manipulations but their slide is slower and more gradual. The Super Empath, blessed with a vast capacity for empathy and goodness is also somebody who can sustain a lengthy campaign of abuse. There is no slide downwards with this individual like the Empath. There is no sudden collapse like the Co-Dependent. Instead the Super Empath goes in to Supernova mode.

The trait make-up of the Super Empath is different from their cousins in the Empathic Group. Whereas the Co-Dependent has strong and many empathic traits with little and low narcissistic traits and the Empath has few and fairly low narcissistic traits but more and quite strong empathic traits, the Super Empath has a different constitution.

The Super Empath has very strong and numerous empathic traits. He or she also has a number of narcissistic traits (more than the Co-Dependent and the Empath but not as many as the Narcissistic Group) and they are stronger in nature than those experienced by the Co-Dependent and the Empath.

This arrangement is not problematic. Liken the Super Empath’s narcissistic make-up to the light from a candle and their empathic make-up the light from a spotlight. The intensity of the spotlight is so bright that the candle light is barely noticed. Accordingly, the narcissistic element to the Super Empath does not appear. The Super Empath behaves in an empathic way and thus is a target for our kind.

There comes a time however when the sustained abuse and the awareness of the Super Empath reaches a critical point. Rather than switch off or slide into decline, the Super Empath will decide that enough is enough. In some instances, this means that the Super Empath will escape and follow a similar route to that of the Empath and distance themselves from the narcissist.

On other occasions they enter into Supernova mode. When this happens, the Super Empath will dim their empathic traits. This can only be dimming. The empathic traits cannot be shut off as they are wired into the empath’s dna. Moreover, this dimming can only continue for a period of time and is not permanent. The naturally strong empathic nature of the Super Empath means that it will blaze bright again.

However, when this dimming takes places, the gap between empathy and narcissism in the Super Empath lessens so that the narcissistic traits are more prevalent. They do not dominate nor do they take over, but they are allowed to ‘shine’. However, whereas in our kind the application of our narcissistic traits is unfettered since we have no empathic traits and thus these traits are directed in a malevolent, harmful and destructive manner, the Super Empath uses these unleashed narcissistic traits for ‘good’.

This means that they will fight back against our kind and remain in the relationship with us. They will shut off the fuel provision, they will engage in manipulation of us, having learned how to effect it form their accompanying journey with out kind. The Super Empath will wound and wound, striking blow upon blow against the narcissist.  It is worth pointing out that the Super Empath does not necessarily know that they are with a narcissist (they may only realise this later) but rather they know that something is very wrong in the relationship and it must no longer continue.

Thus when some people ask the question

“Can you become a narcissist from being with a narcissist?”


“Can I pick up narcissistic traits from my experience of being entangled with a narcissist?”

The answer remains no.

But, if you find that you are exhibiting such traits and you are deploying them against the narcissist, what has happened is that you are allowing your inherent narcissistic traits to have greater prominence. You keep them under control and you are not allowing them to harm or hurt innocent parties, but rather you are applying them against the narcissist in order to strike back. You always had these traits, you have not gained them by being with us, but what you have learned is how to manipulate from being with us and now you are turning those manipulations against us.

The effect against us is varied.

The Lesser Narcissist will discard immediately with a display of ignited fury as he seeks to escape the turning of the tables. He will need to get away from this empowered Super Empath and find a new primary source straight away. He wants to shrink from this blazing  supernova of power which is causing him considerable difficulty through the cessation of fuel and the wounding from repeated criticism.

The Mid-Range Narcissist will find himself in a tormented loop as he tries to assert control. He will not comprehend truly what is happening. He will not want to lose the Super Empath owing to the fuel provision, but he is finding that his ability to manipulate and the reasonable degree of calculation that he has, is being sorely tested. He will try to assert his control through passive aggressive means, even pleading with the Super Empath to stop and ‘why can’t you be good to me again’? He will roll out the pity plays and sympathy cards in order to try to achieve superiority again. However,  either the Super Empath decides to escape and leaves the Mid-Ranger in a confused and bewildered state or the Mid-Ranger slinks away and discards,unable to sustain the fight and needing a new and far more compliant primary source.

The Greater Narcissist will rail against this insurrection and fight back. He will draw on fuel from alternative sources (usually the IPSS or IPSSs he has in the wings along with fuel form those NISS who are his inner and outer circle friends). He will relish the challenge shown by the Super Empath and a real battle of wills ensues as each combatant deploys manipulation after manipulation against one another. This hammer and tongs clash of the  titans sees the Super Empath applying what they have learned, similar to the apprentice turning on his or her master, as the old hand seeks to slap down the irreverent upstart. The Super Empath may withdraw and escape, satisfied that they have made their mark and scarred the Greater. The Greater may ultimately recognise that only a stalemate (for now) can ensue and breaks off, discarding the Super Empath and focusses on the acquisition of a new primary source (or more likely the promotion of an already ensnared IPSS). The Greater however will not leave matters there. A note will be made to rejoin battle in due course and bring the Super Empath to heel.

Thus the Empathic Supernova is when the Super Empath determines that enough is enough and he or she reduces their empathic traits, allowing the narcissistic traits to come to the fore and in so doing he or she trains their sights on making life difficult, miserable and awkward for the narcissist. This is why our kind proceed with caution with the Super Empath. Their capacity for sucking up the abusive devaluation and their impressive fuel provision is tempting indeed, but reaching the critical point and causing the ignition of the Empathic Supernova can have dire consequences for our kind.

Not for me of course. I relish the challenge and the assertion of hegemonic dominance. Obviously.

113 thoughts on “The Empathic Supernova

  1. Graham Lonsdale says:


  2. Krista L. Miller says:

    I just discovered this through a link on Quora. I had never heard of a Super Empath before, nor the Empathic Supernova, but after reading this a lot of things make so much more sense now. I am curious… Have you ever heard of a Greater finding a Super Empath who’s just recently been discarded by a Lesser during Supernova, and he sets her off again (or perhaps more accurately she wasn’t finished yet) deliberately? I’m wondering if it’s because he wanted proof that I am a Super before proceeding with me. He, too, has discarded me because I kept firing at him what was meant for the ex. But I’m pretty sure he plans to be back later. To be honest, I kinda relish the thought of the challenge, myself. Maybe I’m just still in Supernova mode right now, but the idea of roasting him for not having enough game to seal the deal while I was weak and vulnerable sounds absolutely delicious. 😁😎

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Welcome on board, Krista.

      1. atsirk says:

        Thank you, HG. Since the time of my original writing, I have filled my spare time reading more about the different types of narcissist and have become unsure whether the second one is a Greater or a Mid-range. Can one move up levels? Or can one fall between types? He’s smarter than the last guy, but he failed once before to seduce me when we originally met in a work setting in which he was one of my managers, and this time around he openly admitted to me in front of my daughter and a mutual friend that he had always been intimidated by my intelligence. But he claims to be a planner, and he seems to have a pretty extensive network of support. He talked about wanting to get a place together so we can help each other out, him providing the lion’s share of the rent while I provide transportation in my new, sexy car that he “helped” me get (by recommending me a dealer he knows and going with me that day). Thing is, he tries to act respectable when he’s sober, but when he’s drunk he’ll text me asking for sex. I’m not the kind of woman who has casual sex, so I refuse, turning the tables telling him that I’ll have sex with him when he professes his undying love and devotion to me. He laughs and says you have to give to get. I say that’s all I’ve ever done. I keep firing at him with my reasoning and he ignores me until he begs me to stop with the messages (because he’s not as book smart as I am, so he says he can’t understand my messages without seeing my facial expressions and such) and says we’re never having sex, he’s fine with getting it from women who want only that. Skipping ahead, I keep firing texts at him through his silent treatment until he begs me to stop, removes my number but later calls me after I use my other contacts to him to get some messages across, and before hanging up on me says something to the effect that we’re not done yet but that he’ll be back when he’s ready to handle more stress because I’m “too much drama.” I, of course, failed to keep the no contact because he had something of mine of great sentimental value which I firmly wanted back, so I visited him at work under the pretense of bringing a friend and co-worker to see her boyfriend. He gave me the necessary information to retrieve my item, I delivered him a handwritten note I’d written over a week before when I was waffling, and after we stayed to eat there, he told his co-workers that I was a stalker trying to get him to have sex with me and, as I’d predicted, slipped out the back door when his shift was over. Now I’m being informed by my coworker that his “ex” is his girlfriend (though what he’d told me was that she didn’t want a relationship with him because he’d had a vasectomy and she still wants children someday) and was even while he was working on trying to “build” something with me. So here I am, reading all about narcissists, trying to prepare myself and plan for what’s coming next. I know the timeline he spouted for getting a place together was supposed to be around August, as he’s apparently paid up through then at his current place, though he can always stay at *her* place if he needs. But since I was too much trouble for him until I got my item, dropped off one final sign off, and then went silent, I’m not sure what’s going to happen next.

        1. atsirk says:

          One thing I feel I should clarify at this point. The item I had to retrieve from him was a book containing handwritten letters from my parents to me beginning after my birth and ending when the book ran out of pages just months before my 8th birthday. I had never let anyone else read it before, so it was, for me, a very scary thing to have entrusted to someone else. I had asked for it back one other time, but I relented because he’d said something moving about how not everyone grows up loved like that, that he seemed to cherish the gesture. I still don’t know if he has ever read any of it, but one of the reasons for the final sign off letter was to explain that I had typed up the book and was giving copies to all my friends, so now he’s got his very own copy to read for his own benefit because I am so magnanimous, but he’s no longer any more special than any other friend of mine. I think that hit a major blow to him, because I heard from my coworker whose boyfriend works with him that one day he kinda threw a temper tantrum at work over something trivial. I think it really got under his skin.

        2. HG Tudor says:

          Narcissists do not move schools. If you want to know which school and cadre he is

  3. Lindsay says:

    Holy shit! I totally went Supernova and had no idea! He is still trying to be passive aggressive and assert dominance while with his new supply but he can kiss my ass. I will not be dominated again. My mother was a narc, as well, so those traits I acted out I also inherited from her. I could feel the energy come thru and it freaked me out. It was like I could feel my face change and the words coming out were so sarcastic and vile. It helped me leave on the end of it because there was no way I was becoming him. Which is what it felt like.

  4. Victoria says:

    I have always love this article on the Super Empath, it depicts me to a “T”! You have such a magnificent way of writing -so clear and precise-I love it! I truly believe that because I am a super empath I was able to stand up to my Narc and thus he was unable to totally destroy my self worth. Thanks to you and all you have taught me through your articles, books, and many consultations, I am still intact emotionally and spiritually. You’re the Best! Thanks again for this masterpiece-one of your best!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you.

  5. T says:

    Wow, Speechless! This makes so much sense to me now! Especially since the narcissist mother said I was just as bad as him. I discarded my narcissist and believe I may be a supernova empath. I always knew I was an empath, but this, is really eye opening to me! I fought back from day one. I have always been a strong independent women. My ex narcissist was always furious with me and used to always mumble I’ve met my match! I did fight back and have actually caused a lot of injury, not with leaving and escaping but shaming and public humiliation and manipulations and basically I got in the game and beat his little ass to a pulp! I just had this conversation with my friend worried that being in that relationship may cause me to become just like him or just as bad as everyone used to say. For me it was survival and I refused to believe the gas lighting and word salad games and bullshit. I’m very competitive so I played the same game back… None the less by the time I left this asshole, I was pretty well battered and from all the stress. I did however recover a lot faster than most women do according to my shrink and everything I have been reading. So relieved to be out of that relationship now I just want the bastard to go the fuck away and leave me alone. Hell hath no furry but I have realized that my retaliation only feeds his supply needs even if it’s negative attention… Wish I could make him hate me enough to never contact me again.

    Thanks for the insight!

  6. Invictus says:

    I love this. The dance and the battle is intoxicating

  7. Angelgal says:

    HG, what exactly would a greater do after you both have gone no contact? He’s moved on to the next supply, but it’s been 4 months and I’m still getting the smear campaign. He knew I knew what he was, and we kind of played this cat and mouse game at the end. I was waiting on him to leave. I believe he is into financial crimes. He definitely takes advantage of people and is the CEO type. If I reveal this information, would he ever leave me alone? I’m a Super Empath and feel we’re done for good, BUT he talked to me about an ex of 30 yes ago. I believe she may have been like me and fought back. He would do things like find her on Fb and send her a message. I don’t believe it went further than that. Just wondering what to expect. I’m not cognizant of what type of appliance I was. I think he thought I would be more compliant than I was and when I started asking question re: money, etc., and expecting him to treat me as an equal, boom… Discard. Any thoughts, HG?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      This is best addressed through a consultation.

  8. Mrs Linton says:

    I am having an affair with a man whose partner is onto him. Not for the affair )though she might be) but for the narcissist that he likely is. She looked up narcissist and told him that he ticked the boxes. The odd thing was he told me. He says things to her that I wouldn’t like, and he gets upset that she is “always running to Daddy” so he cannot isolate her. She gives him silent treatments and is not putting his dinner on the table. He says she likes drama but I just don’t see it.
    He tried to triangulate her with me on the phone recently and she did not react. I did not react either. She also went through his phone (or maybe she didnt) and she also did not react.
    He keeps saying he needs to get out of the house but then cannot elaborate. I wonder if she is an Empath supernova? I think I am too. She tried to throw him out recently but he is convinced she would rip him off so he is refusing to leave. That might just might be his story. but now I couldn’t care if he never left her. I have some investments with him and can’t ditch him yet.

  9. Victoria says:

    Since I missed this question on your quiz, I had to look it up; I had not read this article yet. I now realize what I am-a super empath; when you stated- “He will try to assert his control through passive aggressive means, even pleading with the Super Empath to stop and ‘why can’t you be good to me again’?” And would use many pity plays. It’s amazing to finally read so precisely my coldness inside and the lessening of my empathetic traits-I would fight back and would make comments that I knew would “wound” him. He would say, stop, please stop. Strangely enough I did not feel comfortable in this role but because there is a strong sense of survival in me, like an instinctual bell going off which say’s “enough” , I must then withdraw my true empathetic traits-to survive. Just like you stated!
    Thanks HG for sharing such a magnificent piece and showing me who I am. My gratitude!

  10. Lisa says:

    I just read this blog again. Just as fascinating as it was the first couple of times I read it.
    I can remember saying to the tHiNg many times, “you’ve met your match!”
    Hmmm. It REALLY does make sense. Him, a Greater, me the Super Empath….who turned on the Supernova when needed. Its great knowing this about myself. I feel like I can deliberately do this now if necessary. Wow!! What a great gift!
    Thanks HG! Thanks.

  11. NP says:

    I can fight in my own way. I can make someone leave of their own accord…ain’t that great!!! Oh! Ha ha haaa!

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