The Carrier Empath


The Carrier Empath. A particular type of empathetic individual who naturally gains the attention of our kind. As I have explained before, our kind are drawn to empathetic individuals who fall within one of the classes of empath. Those classes consist of The Empath, The Super Empath and The Co-Dependent. The Carrier Empath is a particular division of those classes and therefore can be found amidst any of those classes. The Carrier Empath is not a stand-alone form of empath but rather is embodied by exhibiting Carrier tendencies which “bolt on” to the relevant class of empathic individual.

The Carrier Empath shoulders, more than others, the emotional burden. This person rarely talks about themselves, although they have much they could talk about, either as a consequence of their natural intelligence which lends itself to considerable discourse, their ability to connect with people and engage in what could be termed as small talk so people are put at ease or because of their extensive experiences they have much they could share with other people. The Carrier Empath does not see it as necessary to talk about themselves. All empaths are good listeners, it is one of the empathic traits which our kind look for, but the Carrier Empath is a superlative listener. Exhibiting considerable patience, he or she will sit and listen to the woes and problems of others. They do not jump to conclusions, as many people would, instinctively forming a view of the person they are engaging with, within moments of meeting. Instead, the Carrier Empath is able to resist making an early judgement about this person and will listen to what they have to say, so they can best work out how to assist. The Carrier Empath knows full well that sometimes just being listened to is the best thing for another person.

Those with Carrier tendencies are work-like in their approach, reliable, organised and effective when facing pressure. They regard it as their role to take on responsibility for others and struggle to determine the boundary of when they should not do so. They are unable to avoid taking on other people’s issues and problems and feel a need to assist but to do so through actions and a practical application of their compassion, honesty, decency and understanding.

The Carrier Empath is not a person who overflows with emotion but is certainly not devoid of it. Their emotion does not appear in surges and spikes, histrionic reactions as a consequence of the situation which they find themselves in but rather as a steady and reliable provider of fuel through their evident compassion and supportive nature. Whilst caught in the dizzying devaluation, some empaths will find themselves despairing and having up days and down days whilst they experience the push and pull behaviours, the Carrier Empath adopts a stoic approach. Inside he or she may be churning but they do their best to maintain a brave face as they seek to remain dependable and forging forward. This person is solid and dependable. They are not a dullard, but they do not shine and glow like other empathic individuals. They are grounded, practical, pragmatic and excellent problem solvers.

The Carrier Empath is unable to leave responsibility with others. They regard it as their task to be responsible for other people and they rarely judge the flaws of others, but rather see it as an opportunity for them to shoulder the burden. They will remain with those who suffer from addictions, seeing it as part of their obligation to remain and fight the fight on behalf of the afflicted. The Carrier Empath readily takes on the problems of others and will do so even when this becomes a drain on his or her resources, such as time and money. They may have somewhere they need to be but if the telephone call is continuing because the caller needs help and assistance, the Carrier Empath will continue to listen.

There is a strong sense of obligation on the part of the Carrier Empath. Whilst empaths as whole feel obligation, the empath will assist because they feel good about doing so, in a way, they gain a form of their own fuel from helping others. The Co-Dependent will usually help because he or she has to do so, being of a  giving nature in order to find validation for themselves in terms of their place in the order of things. The Super Empath relished the challenge that is presented and regards it as an opportunity to exhibit their powers. Layer the Carrier Empath onto any of those classes and you add a complexion of obligation – the relevant class of empath does it because that is what should be done, that is the right thing to do and they have an obligation to care. They will recognise that the task in hand may be difficult, they will note that it will drain them but their fearsome sense of duty causes them to be the first to volunteer and the last to give up.

This division of empathic individual is certainly compassionate but approaches matters in a practical manner rather than “hearts and flowers” and whilst they will certainly use words to comfort, to support and to show empathy they prefer to rely on actions. If someone is suffering, rather than hand out tea and sympathy, the Carrier Empath will assume the mantle of the problem themselves and tackle it head on. They are especially apt at standing in the shoes of somebody in order to absorb the blast on behalf of someone who is struggling or wants their help. They are the proverbial person who would take a bullet.

The Carrier Empath has significant reserves of inner strength but is unable to regulate the use of this strength, since they tend to be blinded by their need to resolve the problem (often expecting no assistance at all from the person being helped) and therefore they will keep going until they have depleted their resources and a sudden collapse ensues.

Such individuals are prized by our kind, but by certain narcissists in particular. There is the provision of fuel, that has to always be there, but it does not always fountain from the Carrier Empath. Greaters tend not to choose those with Carrier Empath tendencies as a primary source because the gushing appreciation is not the style of the Carrier Empath, furthermore, the Greater tends to be more resourceful and therefore has less need of this element of the Carrier Empath. Instead, the Carrier Empath is desired by the Lesser and Mid-Range schools and especially so by the Victim Narcissist.

The Victim Narcissist derives fuel from the provision of care and compassion. His less impressive countenance is not one which results in gushing praise and over-the-top appreciation. Accordingly, the exhibition of care and compassion gives him the fuel he wants plus the residual benefits he requires and this is always preferable to the empath who gushes with praise but does little in the way of practical care. Thus those with Carrier tendencies are more suited to the Victim Narcissist.

Furthermore, the Carrier Empath comes with considerable residual benefits in terms of the provision of caring for someone with poor health, dealing with chores and problems on that person’s behalf, providing food, shelter, money and such like and therefore this raft of residual benefits appeals to Lesser Narcissists in particular and naturally the Victim Narcissist from the Lesser School.

The Carrier’s capacity for “taking the bullet” results in them also having appeal to the Mid-Range Narcissist. The passive aggressive Mid-Range Narcissist who finds that he is not able to get his way with a third party will invariably turn to the Carrier Empath to step up on his or her behalf and get the problem sorted. If weakened from a lack of fuel and potential criticism from this third party, the Mid-Range will turn to the Carrier Empath to make everything alright again and the Carrier Empath will dutifully attend to his.

During devaluation the Carrier Empath is wounded and confused by the manipulations used against him or her, but their sense of duty carries them forward and they will often fall victim to the narcissist’s capacity to blame others. Accordingly, if the narcissist blames his outburst on being overworked, the Carrier Empath will accept this explanation and will look at ways of alleviating the load on the narcissist, by taking more on him or herself or even going so far as to challenge the boss of the narcissist to secure a reduction in workload. The narcissist knows that with a Carrier Empath he can in effect point that person in the direction of a problem and the Carrier Empath will march into battle on his behalf. Again, this is why the Greater has less of a need for those with Carrier tendencies and why those of a Lesser or Mid-Range school have more reliance on the Carrier.

Devaluation causes those with Carrier tendencies to battle on in the hope of resolving the narcissist’s problems. The Carrier is less inclined to blame themselves. They do not see themselves as the cause of the problems which the narcissist alludes to during devaluation, but rather only blame themselves for not resolving those problems. The Carrier is blinded to understanding that there is no fix, but regards every problem as having a solution which will, with the right application of energy and resource, eventually present itself. The worse the narcissist becomes during devaluation, the more those with the Carrier tendency will apply themselves to trying to sort the problem out and usually identifies an external source (wrongly) as the source of the problem and is ultimately sent on a wild goose chase trying to tackle this external source whilst the problems continue unabated.

If the relevant narcissist does not have a primary source with Carrier tendencies it is likely that one will be recruited as a secondary source. This is more likely with the Greater who will prefer the primary source to be fountaining with fuel (rather than providing a host of residual benefits) and to have a secondary source who can be turned to as and when required, perhaps at moments of crisis, to be utilised for their Carrier traits. Whilst the Lesser and Mid-Range narcissist and especially the Victim Narcissist cadre of those two schools will want a Carrier Empath as a primary source, the Greater will position one as a secondary source since they make excellent Lieutenants.

It is common to find that the scape-goated child of a narcissist, if they avoid becoming a narcissist  themselves, tends to exhibit strong Carrier tendencies because they realise that by getting things done, having to attend to their own needs because the narcissistic parent has abandoned their duties at an early stage and also having to parent the narcissistic parent, is the most effective method of surviving. They care but do so without “showiness” and deliver in a practical and dependable manner.

It is also worth noting that as some narcissists age they will gravitate more to securing a primary source who is a Carrier Empath. Though fuel remains important, the need for the residual benefits becomes increasingly important for those narcissists who see their looks fading, their mobility decreasing and therefore suffer a reduction in their ability to charm and attract. Of course, this is not applicable to all of our kind, since many become distinguished with age, have the magnetism that comes from financial power and their innate charisma and sharp mind remain undulled. However, for those that see the waning of their powers, the Carrier Empath becomes more attractive to them.


16 thoughts on “The Carrier Empath

  1. nunya biz says:

    I do relate to all of the cadres in some way. I am “carrier” but not extreme in that, and I relate in being the scapegoated child and several other things-
    and looking over this I see some differences, for example I think I would consistently repel a victim narcissist. What I think is that having a “super” school leaning and narc traits sometimes opposes my desire to be more helpful and I think I do feel that in my life. Meaning that I would prefer to do MORE to help a person and enjoy it, but I simultaneously despise being taken for granted excessively
    i.e. when something really “clicks” well for me and I am able to generous, skilled, supportive without feeling used it is my favorite place to be and I also revolt against specific narc behavior.
    Also I think the sort of “glow” traits of super and carrier would counter-balance each other (along with what a person has as far as “magnet” or “geyser” qualities, etc..).

    It seems like a recipe for being frustrated if you ask me. It makes sense- super + carrier = combines a sort of power desire and boundary with obligation?
    But also, it looks to me like here you are describing Carrier as a bolt-on school and not a cadre?
    Am I reading this right, HG?

    1. nunya biz says:

      Carrier qualities are becoming a little bit more specifically obvious to me as I contemplate further, HG. That is helpful for me in some of my understanding of things.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        You are welcome.

  2. Getting There says:

    Is this type of empath easier, harder, or just as easy for a narcissist to spot? The question comes from the statement from “They are not a dullard, but they do not shine and glow like other empathic individuals.”

  3. Survival Mode says:

    I think I could be all 4 of these: The Empath, The Super Empath, The Co-Dependent and The Carrier Empath.

  4. narc affair says:

    Cant wait to read your contagion empath article.

  5. Vera says:

    This explains a lot. I was constantly verbally attacked for not gushing, admiring, effusively proclaiming my love, etc., over and over again. While everything I did do, was conveniently ignored. I was repeatedly told that there was something wrong with me. That I was an egomaniac and that’s why I didn’t gush like others. This messed with my head the most, and still does. I was repeatedly told I did not exhibit empathy in the same breath as the most horrid things were said about me. And yet, I forged on, convinced that this was still something I could “fix.” It’s incredibly scary to me how easily a narc can zero in on exactly the thing they can attack that will destroy you. It is nothing short of a nightmare to have what you consider to be your greatest strength, turned into not only a liability, but an egregious flaw that can paint you as the monster, rather than the victim. I doubt I will ever be able to be the person I was before this experience. Before being ripped apart for what made me, me. As hard as it is to read some of these posts, there is some benefit to be had from understanding why I persisted for so long, allowing myself to be treated in such a heinous way. There is some comfort in seeing blind spots now that I didn’t even know I had. I just wish it hadn’t required the worst experience of my life to bring them to light.

    1. NarcAngel says:

      I hope there is also some comfort in the fact that you are not alone and will find the strength here in others, and in the tools and information HG provides, to heal from all the lies you were told. You will not be the same person you were before-you will be stronger.

      1. Vera says:

        Thanks for that NarcAngel. I have definitely found comfort and healing here. It wasn’t until I found HG’s blog that I finally connected all of the dots of what was happening. And commenting here has been cathartic because it’s hard for other people to understand what this is like if they haven’t been through it. But HG’s blog has allowed me to read the experience of others and comment on my own in the hopes of slowly being able to move past this.

  6. 69 Revolver says:

    Ehhhh, nope, I’m sure not a Carrier.

    Thank for breaking this down, HG. Things become much clearer with your analysis.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome.

  7. Star says:

    I find these break downs of the different empath categories to be so interesting and informative. Whether an empath or a narcissist, there are so many layers and complexities.

  8. T says:

    Right on HG!
    I had a narcissistic mother and older sister.
    And I pick victim narcissists, lesser and mid range. I’m between a carrier and super empath, also with narcissistic tendencies . It’s always torn me apart and messed with my own internal compass.
    I thank you again. You have shown me more of who I am more than any therapist! I find it very interesting and even exiting. That may sound odd to others. It’s strange to be caught between I don’t care, then I have to make up for it being overly empathic.
    Thanks again!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome T.

      1. amom says:

        I echo T’s sentiment… I’m a scapegoated daughter of a matri-Narc… Later in my 20’s, I became golden child to my Greater father due to my disappointing brothers. I’m sure you can imagine how Matri-Narc punished me for that!

        … Thank you for your words. I didn’t know this before reading your blog.

        Giving us this vocabulary that “normal” society never equipped us with, in my opinion, is what gives us the exact missing pieces we need to make sense of this nightmare… And hopefully spot future traps… And hopefully further to have the foresight and discipline to calmly make alternative decisions. ☯️

        1. HG Tudor says:

          You are most welcome amom.

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