Hoover Time – Sphere One (Lesser, Mid Range and Greater Narcissists)



There are many different hoovers but the ones which attract the most attention are those which take place post discard or post escape, namely the Initial Grand Hoover which is the bombardment which follows you escape in order to drag you back into our world or the Follow-Up Hoovers (either Benign of Malign) which take place later and happen irrespective of whether the method of cessation of the Formal Relationship was your escape or our discard.

The Initial Grand Hoover is the most concentrated post escape hoover and its efficacy depends on the type of narcissist you are dealing with and the defences you have created as part of instigating no contact. If there has been no IGH owing to Discard or the relevant factors have not caused on to happen post escape, then it is the Follow-Up Hoover (“FUH”) which is often discussed by victims because that is the one which is most feared, the one which is most expected and most recognised. In some instances, it is even the case that this hoover is actually wanted by the victim for reasons I have expounded previously. The fascination with the FUH is such that people wonder when it is going to happen, how it will happen, will it happen at all, will it happen many times and so forth. I always explain that whether a FUH takes place is primarily determined by whether you have entered one of the six spheres of influence. The first five are entered by you doing something or being in a particular place. The sixth is when you just happen to pop up in our mind for whatever reason. However, the fact that you have entered the relevant sphere of influence is not the only deciding factor as to whether the FUH will take place. There always has to have been an appearance in a sphere of influence for the FUH to be triggered. Whether it is then executed against you depends on other factors. Those factors are as follows: –

  1. The narcissist’s current fuel supplies;
  2. Did you escape or is that you were discarded;
  3. The manner of this escape or discard;
  4. The ease of contact with you;
  5. The nature of the fuel to be obtained;
  6. Potential obstacles.
  7. The type of narcissist you are involved with.

These factors have differing applicability subject to the school of narcissist that you have been entangled with.

How then does our kind approach the prospective hoover? I shall explain what (if anything) goes through our minds, what we consider and how we might go about it by reference to each of the schools of narcissism (Lesser, Mid-Range and the Greater) and by reference to each sphere of influence.

Accordingly, the first sphere is the one where you are physically proximate to you. This is where you are within earshot of us and we are able to get near enough to you to talk to you and see your reactions. It might be the case that you have called around to see us for whatever reason, you may have to interact with us at a school event where our children attended or you may be in a bar or restaurant that we have walked into or vice versa. What is our response?

  1. The Lesser Narcissist

The Lesser is not going to turn this opportunity down when it is presented on a plate for him. If his fuel supplies are good, for instance he has a new primary source and/or he is fuelled from supplementary sources this will increase his energy level to hoover you. If his fuel supplies are low (he has not yet secured a new primary source and supplementary sources are low functioning for him) he will still seek to hoover because this is much needed fuel. The fuel levels will affect the type of hoover. Higher fuel levels are more likely to lead to a benign hoover, lower to a malign hoover. This is because the Lesser will not have the energy to charm but rather needs a quick fix when those fuel levels are low. Furthermore, the fact he has no primary source in place yet will of course be your fault because you escaped (a narcissist will not discard without an alternative being available).

If you were discarded, he is not going to ignore the opportunity and if you escaped he will certainly not ignore this opportunity. There is a score to settle and if you escaped this also increases the likelihood of the FUH being malign.

The manner of your escape or discard does not matter to the Lesser, he will not be considering this as he is like a ravenous beast who has just seen a fresh piece of meat placed in reach. He is not considering whether the meat might trigger a trap or be poisoned, all he knows is that he is hungry for that juicy flesh again.

The ease of contact is also not something that the Lesser is bothered about. You are in front of him, that is all that matters. It does not matter who is there or where this proximate contact takes place the fact is you are there in front of him, tempting and inviting. This appearance overrides such considerations.

The nature of fuel is not a major concern either to the lesser in such a situation. Once again he just knows there is fuel available and he wants it. He does not concern himself with how much you used to provide, how potent it was, whether you will still yield this fuel or not, all he knows is that he is going to feel far more powerful by interacting with you. Remember the Lesser is not aware of what fuel is, how it governs him, all he knows is that when he upsets you, makes you smile, makes you praise him and so on he feels so much better. That is the dominant thought running through his mind. He is not concerning himself with whether he is going to secure the resumption of the Formal Relationship with you. That may or may not happen. That is like asking the ravenous beast whether he is going to eat five or six carcasses. He does not know or care. He just wants to sink his teeth into the first one and then go from there.

Potential obstacles do not cross his mind either. The risk of being rejected is not a consideration, the potential for wounding will not cross his mind because you are there in front of him. Remember, the Lesser has very little self-control and he is chomping at the bit to interact with you.

The Lesser will immediately stop what he is doing and make a bee-line for you and launch into a hoover. The only consideration with a Lesser who sees you in the first sphere of influence is whether this hoover will be malign or benign in nature. He will have no regard to his surroundings as he will adopt tunnel vision as his you his prey is presented square in his sights. He will either bound over with puppy dog eyes and slavering tongue or pounce on you with snarls and teeth bared. You will always be hoovered by a Lesser in the first sphere.

  1. The Mid-Ranger

The effect of the fuel supplies with a Mid-Ranger are reversed compared to that of a Lesser. If the Mid-Ranger has high fuel supplies (he has a new primary source) he is likely to be malign because he will not be able to resist bragging about his new girlfriend/fiancée/wife etc. in order to provoke a jealous reaction. He will also comment about how much happier he is and how he is better off without you. If his fuel levels are lower (no primary source yet found or it is not performing) he will present in a more pitiful manner and therefore will be benign. He will sign your praises, explain how much he misses you, how empty life is without you and so forth in a bid to draw positive fuel from you and draw you back into the Formal Relationship. By appearing in front of him he cannot forego this opportunity to take centre stage in his own pity play and hoover you.

If you escaped expect the pity to increase. If you were discarded expect the nature of the hoover to be arrogant. The nature of cessation and also its manner will have an aggravating or diminishing factor on the effect caused by the nature of the fuel supplies. The influence of the fuel is greater than the effect of the cessation and how it occurred.

By way of example, if the Mid Ranger has high fuel levels and you escaped, he will be boastful but at the back of his mind he knows you escaped him and he is alive to that fact now. His comments will be passive aggressive in nature,

“Yes well you did what you did but it is okay I forgive you because I have Jessica now.”

If the Mid Ranger has high fuel levels and he discarded you he will extoll the virtues of his new supply without any restraint, singing her praises in order to try to upset you.

If the Mid Ranger has low fuel levels and discarded you, his pity will still be the overwhelming consideration but he will exhibit contrition, as the fact of the discard will temper the contrition somewhat.

If the Mid Ranger has low fuel levels and you escaped, the pity will flow like a river and it was all your fault, you were awful to him and how could you do that to someone like him?

In terms of the ease of contact, since you are in the Mid-Ranger’s close proximity he is not going to pass this opportunity up and therefore, subject to the other considerations, the ease of contact will increase the likelihood of a hoover.

With regard to the nature of the fuel the Mid-Range will be a little more circumspect. Whereas the Lesser will just see prey and bound towards it to nuzzle it or devour it, the Mid-Ranger will exhibit some evaluation of whether the fuel provision will be good or not. If he is able to note that you are still numbed form the encounter with him and therefore less likely to provide potent fuel, he will still hoover (because you are there) but he will not expend a lot of energy in doing so. The conversation will be brief. If he recalls how excellent your fuel was and sees no reason for this to have changed then he will latch on to you for a good feed of fuel.

In respect of obstacles, the Mid-Ranger will have some regard to them. If he perceives that you are going to wound him again or humiliate him (perhaps you are with friends or a new partner) he will still attempt the hoover but the engagement will be brief. If there are no obstacles and subject to the other considerations detailed above, he will hoover you and either be pleasant yet pitiful in order to draw you back in or exhibit arrogance in order to draw negative fuel and lay down a marker in the hope of causing you to feel upset and dismayed you are no longer with him (thus priming you for a different kind of follow-up hoover after this initial skirmish).

The Mid-Ranger will always hoover when you appear in the first sphere. The main considerations are the type of FUH and how sustained it will be.

  1. The Greater

What then of the Greater?

If fuel levels are high then expect a charming hoover which will be a combination of praising you, declaring how well you look, him showing off about his latest achievements, discussing his new car or new paper that he written. He is feeling powerful but also generous with it. You can share in his grandiosity. The Greater will flirt with you even if the new primary source is there. This is too good an opportunity to miss to draw fuel from two sources and copious amounts of it.

If fuel levels are low the Greater will actually be wary. This is because he knows that there is a risk that he will be wounded (see the other considerations) and therefore he is mindful, owing to his awareness, that significant damage might be done to him. He will therefore evaluate the situation carefully before proceeding.

If you were discarded and fuel levels are high, the ebullience of the Greater will override any potential adverse reaction you might exhibit. On the contrary he will think that you will be so delighted to see him that you will fall into his arms in an instant under another dose of concentrated magnetism and charisma.

If you escaped and fuel levels are high, the Greater will relish the opportunity to draw you back in and settle a score not by lashing out but by winning you over again to prove how masterful and commanding he is.

If fuel levels are low and you were discarded, the Greater will sense that fuel remains available and he will approach. If you were discarded with no explanation he knows that if you are angry about the manner of the discard, then he gains fuel. If you are upset about the manner of the discard he gains fuel. If you discarded with some kind of good-bye he knows that you will still hold out hope for the resumption of the Formal Relationship and therefore he will approach and hoover, being cautiously charming and respectful.

If fuel levels are low and you escaped, the Greater will be very wary that you may deal with him in a manner which will wound. He will carefully evaluate the situation. At this juncture he does not have the energy levels to seduce you but he sees an opportunity for fuel on his doorstep, therefore in this situation he will not be looking to charm you (that is more likely to happen on another occasion). Instead he will look to provoke a negative reaction from and lash out at you to shock, upset or anger you. This will be a vitriolic and savage verbal assault aimed at stunning you with is sudden ferocity in order to draw a concentrated burst of negative fuel which will sustain him and allow him to take delight in what he has achieved without further risk to himself.

The ease of contact is straight forward. You are there before him.

The Greater is the best at evaluating the likely fuel to be provided. He will know if you are likely to fountain with fuel and therefore you will prove extremely tempting. It just depends on whether he ought to press the buttons for positive fuel (see considerations above) or to opt for negative as just described. He will also be able to sense if fuel provision is likely to be low (for instance you are adopting low/no fuel techniques or your levels are low owing to the emotional state you are in). He will factor this likely level of reward into determining what he will do. The Greater is more likely to draw fuel (even if levels are low) from you, given his expertise and it is a question of whether it is positive or negative.

The Greater will also take into careful account any potential obstacles before making his move. He will handle any challenge from friends or a new boyfriend for example with ease if his fuel levels are high, by charming and deflecting any attempts to do him down. If fuel levels are low, he will look to draw negative fuel form your supporters as well in a similar way as he will from you with a short, sharp shock.

The Greater will assess the situation before making his move. He will either sweep in full of charm, effusive praise and grandiosity, sweeping you off your feet or slide a knife between your ribs, sink his teeth into your neck and bludgeon those accompanying you before darting away in a smash and grab of negative fuel.

For all three schools your physical presence is too much to resist and you will be hoovered. What is affected is the manner, duration and type of FUH you are subjected to. Accordingly, you should be aware that if you make yourself directly physically available to your narcissist you will be hovered.

11 thoughts on “Hoover Time – Sphere One (Lesser, Mid Range and Greater Narcissists)

  1. Claire says:

    I heard this term and just dismissed it as rubbish because “hooking up”’would never happen with my ex. It’s about extracting a reaction correct? Not about a
    Flirtatious encounter? I’m behind the curve..

  2. PrincessSuperEmpath says:

    Dearest HG: This analysis is so very excellent. However, I missed on how the Greater would act in the various situations. No matter, for now: I have not graduated yet from your tutelage. So, I will not beat myself up. I just have to work on it all for a while. And no Greater is in my sphere, that I know of…. Yikes!

  3. empath007 says:

    I work for the same company as my ex narc and the Christmas Parties are always all the offices combined ( I transferred offices to get away from him ) because we used to work at the same
    Office we have a lot of mutual friends… I was an IPSS so I don’t think I had a terrible smear campaign although I know there was one with certain people…. anyways… it’s been 10 months NC. I still consider it far too soon to see him and have avoided company events, turned down all events I’ve been invited too by friends etc. I’m going to contiune to do this for quite some time.

    However, I’m a very social person and I don’t plan on allowing him to have total control of what I attend and what I don’t for the rest of my life just because he can’t help but Hoover me. That’s his problem… not mine.
    I am Just taking your advice and listening to my instincts and I figure it will take a year or two before all my logic defended are built. As I have no Interested in opening that door again.

    I know you say to walk away when you see them. But at a work event wouldn’t that just make ME look bad? Perhaps no one would notice… and maybe I’m over thinking it. But how should I handle social events after a decent period of time has passed?

    I’m hoping by then I won’t even care lol.

    Thanks for your time H.G.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Your empathic trait of guilt is being corrupted to make you feel bad. Why must you feel bad removing yourself from the presence of a narcissist?

      1. empath007 says:

        It’s what’s ingrained in me H.G. just the same way narcissism is in you…. it’s just as diffcult to break my way of thinking as it
        Is you yours…

        When I see him next… I will do my very best to ignore him if he comes up to me. Like I said I’m hoping by then enough time has passed that it will be much easier. But I can’t imagine someone speaking to me…. and me just saying nothing back… my mother would have my head! Haha. Although she hates him so maybe this would the exception 🤔 lol

        When you ignore someone… do you make it inconspicuous as to not cause a scene? And what are some of the best ways of going about it?

        Thank you for your time and insights H.G.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          You ignore the individual. It does not matter how you go about it, you ignore and remove yourself.
          This will be of considerable use to you

  4. Veronique Jones says:

    My narcissist only gives me malignant hoovering it’s a bit like water off a ducks back now I just grey rock him and place my attention on everyone else I really don’t care if he hates me anymore it’s his loss not mine and he is not going to get the pleasure of seeing me upset again I am back to my happy playful self the one he targeted but my eyes are open to what he is and I am definitely not letting him back in and I don’t care were he gets his fuel from

    1. J.G THE ONE says:

      If that’s all right..
      But I think I should do G.O.S.O. and end that circumstance. They’re not healthy and they don’t lead to anything. Why relate to something or someone who doesn’t give you anything, just negative things?

  5. Kristina MacLean says:

    Hi HG, I am curious about you for a moment….you say you will never love anyone…at least not in the sense that we think of. Do you let your Primary’s know you have this? Are you upfront? I think a relationship with someone who is open about who they are….is far better than someone who can “love”….but is dishonest…countless ways of being dishonest in life Narcissism aside.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      There has been no point in doing so as that would weaken the hold.

    2. PrincessSuperEmpath says:

      Dearest HG: I have never understood how it is taken for granted that love feels the same for everyone. It is a weird premise to me. But, I just stay quiet about it all my life. Ask any person in privacy to describe how they feel for someone they say they love, and you will not receive the same answer. Ask men versus women. Ask people from different countries. Ask people of different ages. Ask people that are on their 2nd 3rd 4th relationship, etc. Ask people of different races. Ask people of different social classes. Ask parents versus children. Ask people that are in their relationships for a different amount of years, or decades. Ask them all to describe what love feels like. Ask those that say they can love, maybe, if they found the right person. Ask narcissists who say they can not love and empaths that say they love everything, and everyone they ever became involved with. I am just amazed. Ask people why they stay together. That say they no longer love each other. Is not love permanent? For the children, for the religion, for the community, for the legacy, for the convenience, for the fear. Ask those in arranged marriages. And after all this, some people, still haven`t found what they are looking for. So, can they not love? Who knows. Is it so simple? I think they can. It is possible that one person on the entire planet could make them feel `love.` and they never meet that person, or they lost that person? So, let`s go a little easy on that word. And sometimes, allow us to just lie a little bit, if we need to. Not to hurt a person, but to choose our battles, in accordance with our own intellect and cultural understanding. Let us not battle over the word, or allow it to rule the day, or the decade, or our life. Or us. If you want, tell someone you love them, even if it is for their fuel. I love you.R FUEL. I love you. Go ahead, if you want. ~~PSE approves.

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