Plagued : Malign Follow-Up Hoovers

KTN Plagued


Hurt and pain are integral in the narcissist dynamic. Whether your narcissist is male or female, an intimate partner, a family member, friend or colleague, there will at some juncture be the appearance of hurt. It is the primary source, usually an intimate partner, who carries the largest burden of this hurt, since it is they who spends the most time with our kind, is entwined in our manipulations and suffers the worst of the devaluation and discard. Whilst the incidence of hurtful behaviour cannot be denied in the devaluation, there may be some comprehension that it occurs because the Formal Relationship between narcissist and victim is continuing. Judged by the victim and a normal person’s standards, that hurt should not occur at all, but once one understands the nature of our behaviour, it is understandable, albeit not accepted, that it occurs during devaluation.
The hurt that is occasioned by the discard is like any that occurs when somebody has found their romantic and intimate relationship terminated. It is safe to say however that when the cessation occurs as a consequence of our discarding, the hurt is amplified by the cruel nature of the discard, the confusion that surrounds it and the contrast with the golden period that once shone so brilliantly. From pedestal to the thorny ground. Often in a matter of weeks.
The hurt is understandable and recognisable when it occurs in the context of the devaluation period and the consequent discard. Yet, what of the aftermath and the hereafter? The hurt invariably continues following the discard. I do not refer to those dark, lonely days as you attempt to piece together what happened. That howling wilderness where nothing makes sense and you are left to pick yourself up and tackle the daily agony of what has happened to you. The gnawing hurt of wanting us back, the bewildering mystery of why somebody who supposedly loved you could do such a thing to you, the stark realisation that we have moved on to someone else without so much as a backwards glance towards you. The misery of unanswered questions, the wretchedness of the emptiness that hangs around your day like a spectre and the shame as the drip, drip, drip of realisation causes you to ascertain you have been conned.
Harsh as those things are, they are the residue of your entanglement with us. The collateral effects of us taking from you. These are all difficult enough to comprehend and deal with, especially in an eroded and worn down state. But why do we return and pile hatred onto the pain, misery onto the woe and malice onto the hurt? Why do we engage in the Malign Follow-Up Hoover?
The Malign Hoover occurs when we revisit you, in many different ways, sometimes in person, sometimes through technology and sometimes through others with the intent of hurting your further. Why do we do this? Have we not made you suffer enough? Have we not had our fill of your begging, pleading, loving, attempts to make us happy? Why can we not just leave you be? You do not even have the less hurtful experience of benign follow-up hoovers where we seek positive fuel and to charm you back into the Formal Relationship. This is pure, unadulterated malice, directed at you time and time again.
Let us start by ascertaining which of our kind utilises this hoover? The answer is, all of our kind. The Lesser. The Mid-Range and the Greater all engage in the application of the Malign FUH. It may not happen with every victim, but it part of each school of narcissist’s arsenal.
When is it used? It occurs when the Formal Relationship has ended, thus when you have been discarded or if you have managed to escape.
How does it occur? As ever, since it is a hoover, it relies on the Hoover Trigger and the Hoover Execution Criteria being fulfilled but there are additional considerations and motivations which you ought to be aware of.
The Greater Narcissist. If you have been discarded, you can expect a Malign FUH reasonably soon post discard, because the energy levels and intrinsic malevolence of the Greater will facilitate this type of hoover more than the Mid-Range or the Lesser. The Greater has an enhanced desire to punish you for failing us (hence why you were devalued and discarded) but those treatments are not deemed enough. You failed. We see this as a criticism of us and therefore it is justifiable to punish you. The Malign FUH is also deployed because the fuel we gain from your negative emotional responses to being hurt, assists us in powering our ongoing seduction of your replacement. Thus, not only are you being punished for your perceived failures, you are being used to ensure that your replacement is embedded and seduced.
The Malign FUH allows us to triangulate you with the new replacement and it allows us to demonstrate to the façade that you are trouble and this is why we have to be harsh with you (we have been left with no choice but to do this – or so the façade is made to believe).
The Greater may switch to a Benign FUH at a later stage (usually when your replacement is being devalued) and some positive hoover fuel is required or even to tee you up to return to the position of primary source. It is the case however that following your discard you will face Malign FUHs and they will arise shortly after the discard has happened so long as the trigger and criteria occur.
Where you have escaped you will face the Initial Grand Hoover first of all in order to suck you back into the Formal Relationship. If this fails you will have a period of respite, many weeks, perhaps months, as we focus on the acquisition of a new primary source and remain away from you as a consequence of your resistance denoting that we are wasting our energy and you are an unattractive fuel prospect. Once our fuel levels have increased again and have done so for a while, then subject to the trigger and criteria the Malign FUHs will occur. As above this is to punish you, but the malice will be greater because you escaped us, the ultimate act of treachery. The new primary source will be in place, therefore there is no need to for the fuel that is generated to seduce this person (although it may be partially used to power the ongoing golden period). More likely, the fuel gathered from these Malign Hoovers is so potent and effective that we use the power generated to keep hammering you with more and more hoovers. This creates a dangerous situation because there will be a combining of a Malicious Obsession and a Fuel Obsession so you are lodged in the sixth sphere thus there are repeated triggers. The fuel has been obtained and thus the criteria is more readily going to be met.
If you have escaped your narcissist and you find that you are being subjected to repeated and sustained malign hoovers of this nature, you have been unfortunate enough to become lodged in the sixth sphere owing to one or probably both of these obsessions.
The Mid-Range and The Lesser Narcissists have far less interest in punishing you. They do occur and if so, they will be shortly after your discard and short and sharp in nature. These narcissists do not have the energy levels to embark on a sustained campaign of Malign Hoovers purely for punishment, they need to utilise the fuel to gain more fuel from their seduction. It can happen, but their concern is to focus on the new primary source and therefore their malign hoovers are designed to power their seduction of your replacement. Accordingly, if you have been discarded, the Mid-Range or Lesser will be focused on your replacement and if they deploy Malign FUHs this will be done to provide them with fuel to secure the seduction and embed this replacement. Once this is achieved, the Malign FUHs will tail off.
If you have escaped, you will also experience an Initial Grand Hoover from these types, but if it fails they will need to focus their efforts on securing a new primary source and gaining that fuel promptly. They will not have the energy or desire to maintain a malicious campaign against you as well. You are more likely to be left alone as they deal with their fuel shortage and then any follow-up hoovers which occur down the line are far more likely to be benign in nature, since the seduction and embedding has already taken place.
Accordingly, Malign FUHs are predominantly, albeit not exclusively, the preserve of the Greater Narcissist.
This is not complete however without some consideration of you, the recipient of these Malign FUHs. Dependent on what category of empathic individual you are, this will also impact on the nature and purpose of the hoovers.
Versus an Empath. This will be done to draw negative fuel and potentially to draw you back in to the Formal Relationship so the pain stops, but Benign FUHs are more likely to be used to achieve this latter aim with the empath.
Versus a Super Empath. This is done to draw fuel only. The Super Empath will not be drawn back into the relationship through Malign FUHs, but they will seek to resist the impact. They may well provide fuel from their responses of frustration, hurt and anger, but we are aware that there is no prospect of returning the Super Empath to the Formal Relationship. That can only be done through the Initial Grand Hoover or Benign FUHs.
Versus a Co-Dependent. Again, the Malign FUH will draw fuel but the Co-Dependent is, of all the empathic types, the one who is most likely to be pulled back in because of a Malign FUH as they see it as the only way to halt the agony that is being caused.
What do Malign FUHs appear like? There are hundreds of different ways they manifest. Here is a selection.
1. Posting your mobile number on a sex website so you receive repeated calls harassing you;
2. Shouting insults at you when we see you;
3. Putting a brick through your window;
4. Slashing the tyres on your car;
5. Following you and glaring at you;
6. Sending funeral wreaths to your home;
7. Sending vicious text messages and e-mails;
8. Having Lieutenants contact you to insult you;
9. Daubing insults in paint on your car or house;
10. Smearing dog mess on your windows;
11. Threatening to contact social services (or indeed contacting them) so you are investigated;
12. Hacking into your computers;
13. Leaving notes and messages containing threats and warnings;
14. Posting comments about you which are unpleasant on social media;
15. Uploading intimate footage of you onto porn sites;
16. Posting intimate pictures of you on the internet and/or to your family and friends;
17. Incurring financial liabilities on your behalf;
18. Setting fire to possessions you have left with us and dumping the charred remains on your drive and/or sending you footage;
19. Threatening to steal/harm your pets;
20. Repeatedly driving by your home or workplace.
21. Reporting you to the police and/or other authorities so you are arrested/investigated;
22. Seeking a restraining order against you on trumped up grounds.
How do you deal with the Malign FUH? Understand whether you are at risk of it happening by considering the points above. Stay out of the spheres of influence, make yourself a F.R.E.E. in the hope that the hoover execution criteria are not met (chief amongst which is reducing all potential contact as far as you can) and thereafter bracing yourself. If they keep happening, avoid giving fuel as best as you can and seek assistance from others to either build a buffer between you and us (thus making the criteria harder to fill for a hoover to take place) or escalate the matter to the relevant authorities on the basis of harassment and/or specific criminal behaviour.
Understand how it happens, why it happens and thus you can prepare yourself.
What has been the nature of the Malign Follow-Up Hoovers that you have experienced?

12 thoughts on “Plagued : Malign Follow-Up Hoovers

  1. laniern says:


  2. Alexissmith2016 says:

    That makes me sad to read that a CD would be drawn back into the relationship through malign hoovers. Wow really sad. I read chained and I accept that they ‘need’ a narc but boy they must also have some strength to take the abuse. It makes me feel weak that I don’t take much at all before I’m off!

    The normals must be completely bemused by the behaviours of an N or an E. Although they don’t give either more than a passing thought I’m sure.

    1. FoolMe1Time says:

      Alexis it is not that we are strong to take the abuse at all. It’s normal for us, we do not see it as abuse because we are conditioned ( some at a very young age ) to think and act in a certain way. Remember some of us have only known the love of a narcissist, we know nothing else. Believe it or not there are certain rules that we live by , ( which I didn’t fully know or understand until I found HG ) some Cods would sooner die then be disloyal to there narcissist. That’s why at times you must form an intervention to get a CoD away from her narcissist. But believe me if she suspects anything like that she will fight you tooth and nail, and will run back to him the first chance she gets! To people that have never lived it, it all sounds crazy ( and at times it even sounds crazy to me ) but it is all that we know! I honestly believe HG is the only person, (because of his intelligence, the fact he understands CoDs, the way we have been conditioned, and he is a narcissist ) that can get a CoD to break those chains that have been wrapped around some of us since early childhood. I hope this helps you understand are mindset a little better. 😘

  3. E. B. says:

    Hello privateojurney60,

    I can relate to 20, 21 also to being subjected to false accusations and public shaming. It is astonishing the amount of time and energy they waste on harassment and malignant hoovers once they become fixated with you. Female narcissists like those you mention enjoy drama. It is like a drug they use to fill their void.

    Ignoring will not stop them. I am not saying that ignoring is wrong. Ignoring helps not to make matters worse but it does not solve the problem. Moving away, especially to a big town or city is the best victims can do for their own sanity. It is not always feasible and not everyone can afford it, though.

    I am glad you were able to return to the city. Women who cannot stand being alone and will put up with abuse by sharing their home with a narcissist (partner, aging parent, etc) cannot appreciate what it is like to live alone, free, energized, in peace and comfortable with themselves.

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  5. privatejourney60 says:

    20 & 21. Police Officer advised me to ‘Just shake my head and Ignore the individual’. The trauma that I was subjected still lingers: To be Wrongfully Accused of Something that I didn’t do and Public Shaming just because I do not fit their perception mould of an Asian female. I packed up, travelled and returned to City life. I happily embrace solitude and private loneliness with peace.

    Yet — This reality in the realm of female friendships continues to baffle me. These narcs are married women to financially successful enterprenuers or SF Corporate executives (who are always working/travelling) or Retired from Corporate-life Women or Grown women who deal with their aging mothers or transplants from another US state including the Millennials.

    Thank you, HG, for your poignant explanation. .

    1. lisk says:

      These are women with territory to defend against all threats, real or imagined.

    2. laniern says:

      I am slowly learning not to absorb their actions post discard. However, I still willingly engage men from the dark triad and am drawn to them like a magnet. I find it exciting and entertaining and it relieves any boredom that exists within me. However, it frustrates me to no end that I am now 45 years old and have been divorced for over 10 years and am still repeating this pattern over and over. It’s not like I actively seek them out but they seem to find me and groom me the same way that a child molester grooms a small child. It doesn’t take much effort though as I enjoy the love bombing immensely. That Golden period is extra special. So now I am trying to immediately hop off as soon as they begin to devalue me and transition towards another another for a fresh start, as I know the stages after that are so not worth it, since the toxicity will just continue to grow and worsen with time. It frustrates me to know end though, as I end up getting no where as I continue to grow older, as my beauty is fading and am still alone.

      1. lisk says:


        You are an addict.

        If you really want to break your addiction, HG is your man.

        1. HG Tudor says:


          1. laniern says:

            What’s your plan for helping out this damsel in distress?

          2. HG Tudor says:

            Who are you referring to, Laniern?

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