HG´s Christmas Captives
With Jack Frost languishing in The Dungeon following some well articulated arguments concerning what he amounts to, up next comes the festive perennial which is Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. The court will be presented with a number of facts with regard to this individual and it is for you to interpret those facts with regard to whether you believe Rudolph to be narcissist, narcissistic, normal or empath. Your decision, using the voting buttons, will determine the sentence passed on Ole Glow Nose in the near future.
Early figure of ridicule as a consequence of glowing nose
Early behavioural issues as ran away with an elf, Hermey
Always needs to be at the forefront of matters
Enjoys the limelight as everybody knows his name
Suggestion that red nose may be product of reliance on alcohol
Suffered exclusion by other reindeer who would not let him join in the games
At his best when there is fog
Most famous reindeer on the planet
Place assured in history
Started crying when felt he would not be able to pull Santa´s sleigh
Happy when he is able to lead
Loading ...90 thoughts on “HG´s Christmas Captives”
Vent Your Spleen! (Please see the Rules in Formal Info)
This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.
Narcissist’s measurement of satisfaction ( “happy” if they ever can feel ) and dissatisfaction ( “sad” if they ever emotionally invested in that much ) are guided by how successful & effective of his /her grand plan was or is. Rudolph’s reason of his emotional shift is way too simple as of narcissist. But he is very annoying individual by his constant need of being center of attention & shallow view on what’s important or make himself as one are very much sound like he is rather “Narcissistic ” than narcissist. He could come off as empathetic because he is “cute wimp” with ” shiny red nose”.
After due consideration and speculation, I would deem Rudolph to be a normal.
Why?
Firstly, he was ostracised and mocked when younger by the other reindeer. They laughed at him and wouldn’t let him join in with any games, i.e. he was scapegoated.
However, this difficult start did not dent Rudolph’s self-esteem and self-belief enough for him to object or shy away from leading the pack when asked to do so by Santa later on. Rudolph did not show signs of empathic or sensitive introversion, overt defensiveness or codependency.
Secondly, Santa placed Rudolph in the position of ‘golden child’, showing continued favoritism by asking him to be the leader on an ongoing basis.
However, this favoritism was based on a real and quantifiable reason – Rudolph’s red glowing nose that could light the way through the fog. So, Rudolph had good reason to be proud and confident. He didn’t need a facade because the nose was 100% real. Also, there was no resentment shown from the other reindeer – at least not overtly. Indeed, they validated Rudolph’s personal nose-glow talent by telling him he would go down in history for it and they did so in a positive emotionally affirmative manner.
The duality in the way Rudolph was socially conditioned – firstly ridiculed and ostracised, and then favorited and lauded as the leader – means that Rudolph’s emotional development was balanced. He had emotional memories that were both good and bad and his later behaviour reflected that. His historical legacy as leader of the reindeers has also remained largely positive in children’s minds, and they know about these things.
He’s a normal.
Rudolph is really cute with his shiney nose. My gut tells me he is a.mid range narcissist. Possibly a upper mid ranger.
I get the warm and fuzzies every time I watch Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer; Rudy is an empath.
Dearest K,
I agree with you
Rudolph is an empath
Everybody luvs him …. (especially kids) they are generally good judges of character
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
Dearest Bubbles,
Damn skippy!
Luv K xoxox
Dearest K,
We are all suffering from the bushfires right now
Skippy, koalas and wildlife are dying everywhere
Lives n homes are lost
We have friends living in the bush fire areas
It’s horrendously devastating !
Wineries gone, you name it !
In total disbelief right now !
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
Dearest Bubbles, I am so sorry to hear this. Wildfires are so devastating. I have volunteered at times on a crisis hotline when wildfires occur (211 in the US) it is very helpful and is linked with up to the minute information from first responders and numerous agencies. If you have a similar service in Oz I highly recommend your friend use it for updates. I can’t bear to think of your precious wildlife and people in peril. They will be in my prayers.
Dearest Bubbles,
The evening news reported a record breaking heatwave.
The impact is devastating and I am very sorry that
you are going through this, especially right before
Christmas. It’s heartbreaking for you and all those
who are directly or indirectly affected.
Please, take care.
Luv K xoxox
Dearest FYC and K,
Thank you both for your kind, warmest thoughts and sincerest wishes
Community support, everyone pulling together, offering services and opening their doors to those affected has been phenomenal
So many acts of kindness thru so much heartache and devastation …. (particularly those helping wildlife animals with water)
Thankfully, all those we know are safe for now
Our hearts go out to our firefighters
It will definitely be a Christmas we won’t forget !
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
Dearest Bubbles,
You are welcome and you will be in my thoughts.
Stay safe!
Luv K xoxox
Personally, I’ve always found Rudolph a little whiny. I’m more a Bumble fan myself.
BL
I like the Bumble and Yukon Cornelius.
Rudolph is an empath, ensnared by a narc. Perhaps by Mr. Clause, making himself omnipotent by declaring himself judge and jury of whom is nauhgty and nice all across the globe. Golden periods beeing granted Rudolp when he is alowed to lead, but offcourse only when foggy and it suits the narc to use his appliance. Devaluation by rumors of alcohol abuse and triagulations with Mr. Claus’ leutenants, the other reindeer.
Ran of with an elf in attemt to escape, but not able to maintain no contact properly, and therefore being hoovered right back in.
How am I doing?
Your honor and gentle people of the jury, the prosecution is asking you to believe that Rudolf here, the youngest reindeer, son of Donner and Blitzen, who by invitation of Santa, saved Christmas, is not the sweet reindeer we have all come to love, no no, the prosecution is asking you to convict poor Rudolf of narcissism. But where is the evidence that Rudolf is a narcissist? Let us review the facts in evidence.
First, keep in mind the rule of law on narcissism: To be convicted of narcissism, one must actively or instinctively seek control and fuel at all times. Now let us proceed.
It is true that Rudolf was born with an exceedingly shiny nose, however, there is no evidence that Blitzen was an alcoholic, therefore fetal alcohol syndrome was not a factor. The suggestion of alcoholism is instead a spurious smear made by Rudolf’s detractors.
It is also true that due to Rudolf’s unique nose, he was made fun of by other reindeer and not permitted to join in any reindeer games. Yet, when this happened, did Rudolf see to control the other reindeer? No. Did he make threats? No. Did Rudolf devalue the games or decry them worthless? No. Did Rudolf strike the other reindeer? No. Did he push other reindeer into the nettles nearby? No, he did not. There is no evidence Rudolf sought control. Was Rudolf fueled by the hateful comments? No. Rudolf simply felt badly due to the insensitive remarks made by reindeer clearly lacking in EE, so he left with his friend, the elf Hermey. The prosecution would have you believe Rudolf was issuing a silent treatment and that there was more between Hermey and Rudolf than an innocent friendship. These are more mendacious and salacious lies and deflections made by the same reindeer who have already demonstrated a lack of EE, and by way of their repeated actions, demonstrate a lack of CE as well. In reality, poor Rudolf took the other reindeer’s cruel remarks to heart, so he covered his nose so as not to offend others and to try and fit. While it is painful to see Rudolf’s approval seeking behavior, he fails to demonstrate any means of control or fuel seeking behavior. At the same time, there is mounting evidence that the other reindeer were smearing Rudolf out of jealousy and envy and are projecting their own narcissism on to Rudolf.
It has been asserted that Rudolf has a need to be in the lead and that he has the grandiose notion of being the greatest reindeer in history anywhere on the planet. Once again, this assertion is a projection of the prosecution by way of Rudolf’s envious detractors. Rudolf did not demand leadership in oder to assert his superiority. Quite the contrary. You are in possession of numerous sworn statements of many witnesses who clearly recall that it was Santa himself who pleaded, “Rudolf with your nose so bright, won’t you guide my sleigh tonight?”
When Rudolf agreed to take the job, did he say, “I am finally at my rightful place!”? No. Did he swear at the other reindeer? No. Did he flip the other reindeer the bird from his antlers? No. Did he take a dump so the other reindeer would have to tread through it? No. Rudolf took none of these malicious, controlling, fuel seeking actions. He simple agreed to do the job and tried with all his might to pull the sleigh.
In fact, once Rudolf took the lead, it was the other, formerly smearing reindeer who suddenly showered Rudolf with love declarations and compliments. Rudolf was relieved, however, he found the sudden love bombing a bit much. Yet he soldiered on and paid it no further mind. Instead, Rudolf focused on his new job and with fierce determination and proceeded to save Christmas for all on that foggy night.
If Rudolf were a narcissist, he surly would have proclaimed his own greatness to all throughout the land, but this did not happen. No, instead, it was Sam the Snowman, with a voice eerily similar to Burl Ives, who told everyone who would listen, the wonderful story of Rudolf. Others were so endeared by the story, it has passed down through generations. Yet, dear Rudolf, the empath that his is, simply carried on to do his job with dignity, giving hope to all others with unusual features to fear not, be yourself, and you too will shine on.
Thank you all. Your honor, the defense rests.
Spirited and impressive.
Shame it’s Rudolph in the dock.
Thank you very kindly, HG. Put Santa in the dock and I will become the prosecution!
FYC
Well sure… when you put it like THAT! LOL.
I want an inquiry into how the defense came to find itself in possession of this mountain of evidence not originally provided. Until then it’s all undocumented hearsay!
NA, Counsel is provided greater leeway in defense summation. I merely addressed facts in evidence and pointed out what is and is not in evidence–that is to say no evidence of control, fuel, malign behavior etc.
Besides, you’re the prosecution, counselor, so I cannot discuss the case further until sentencing has concluded!
FYC
Hahaha. Full disclosure: I enjoyed your presentation and just wanted to hear you argue it some more.
Haha NA, you are most kind. These are fun exercises, so I shall endeavor to amuse you with further argument on the next dungeon defendant.
Nonsense! He whines if he’s not the leader, so that the rest of the reindeers have an unobstructed view of his rump. It’s well known that he uses minty toothpaste to make his nose and other parts all glowey and tingley which is evidence of his perverse nature. His inter-species predeliction is also well documented. His protestations about getting gifts to children is all part of the ‘nice guy’ facade and ongoing need for recognition and creation of his legacy. Send him down!
Eloquent summing up, most learned Collegue FYC. The office of public prosecutions of talking Xmas baubels has just this moment passed a law prohibiting all baubel speech: sentence; life without parole. My position was made redundant owing to drop in client numbers. I am again following with interest further developments in the case of Rudolph. I am glad that the defense now rests and await the result due course.
Early ridicule and exclusion by other reindeer makes him feel abandoned by his own kind.
Indeed, so deep these wounds cut that he resorts to alcohol to cope.
He may have run away with an elf, but he leaves his friend in the dust for Clarice, who provides much better fuel with her constant admiration of him. Poor thing loves him just the way he is… just you wait, Clarice.
Feigns crying as a pity play so Santa will let him lead the sleigh.
When he leads he appears “happy” to us normal people, but the look is actually sweet fuel taking over. It is not happiness but fuel driven power showing on his face as he is thrust into the limelight.
He is at his best when there is fog because it clouds everyone else’s vision.
Don’t let him fool you. He’s a narcissist through and through.
Your Honour, objection ! Prosecution is twisting the facts. The evidence states “Happy when he is able to lead” not “Appears happy when he is able to lead” or even “feels that he is happy when able to lead”.
Your Honour, we all know happiness is an illusion. Have you not been on social media to see all the wonderful things going on in people’s lives, yet we all know their houses are a mess, their teens lock themselves in their rooms, and their spouses pay them no attention as they scroll through their phones. We view them as “happy” based on pictures posted online, but it’s all in what they choose to present. And while we’re at it, I’d like to move to have “happy” stricken from the evidence altigether, as it is a subjective description and cannot be taken as fact.
There is force in that submission.
I don’t hide my grinch side well, and there’s a lot of fake happiness going around this time of year!
With ya, BL. Bah, humbug!
Absobloodylutely! BL
“At his best when there is fog.” Fog not fuel? Can’t be a narcissist then.
Maybe creating that fog of confusion to make himself look good?
Right, and a realistic-looking fake red blinking nose to tell a bullying story and draw sympathy.
Rudolph is an empath! Bullied and made fun of when all he wanted was to be accepted and pull thru for santa and deliver those presents to all the good little girls and boys. Moreover id say super empath! That nose shines thru and saves the day!!
The Narc is Rudolph’s father. “No son of mine is going to” blah blah. Doesn’t care if he’s making his son unnecessarily miserable, doesn’t care that the very thing that embarrasses him might turn out to be useful (as it does), and help others.
No, it’s all about how HE looks.
Santa is a clueless mediocrity. He isn’t actually good–just nice.
I agree with you Violetta 🙂
Definitely rudolphs father was a narc! Always having expectations, triangulating him with the other reindeers and ashamed of rudolph for being different! He couldnt accept him for the way he was and embrace his red nose not as a freak of nature but as a unique characteristic! I hope after rudolph became famous for his nose he went no contact with his narc father!
I didn’t get the chance to do the one on Jack. *chastises self*
Rudolph, okay let’s see…
It’s unlikely that his red nose is a consequence of alcoholism. More likely a birth defect owning to the fact that he was bullied by the other reindeer.
Could this early lack of control be the trigger to narcissism?
Maybe, but maybe not. I’m not seeing a string of discarded ex-intimate partner reindeer in Rudolph’s personal history. In fact, his relationship with Hermey seems to be his only romantic entanglement to date.
His tears upon feeling useless and unable to pull Santa’s sleigh shows genuine sadness rather than anger. This is not the attitude of a narcissist, who would instead be irritated at such a turn of events. It’s not necessarily empathic though – we’re not seeing any clear cut evidence that he feels guilty about being unable to delivery presents to children, it’s more a sense of feeling left out and isolated.
His rise to power was circumstantial rather than as a result of a power-hungry climb up the ladder by Rudolph himself. He had no control over the fog, nor did he volunteer his services when the weather turned nasty. Father Christmas orchestrated Rudolph’s rise to the top. It’s very much a rags to riches tale – the unintended victory of the underdog.
He enjoys the limelight and the fame, but he doesn’t monopolise the stage entirely. Many films, poems, and songs simply omit him from the reindeer team entirely and focus only on the other eight reindeer, something that no self-respecting narc would allow. Rudolph, however, is fine with some give and take.
Conclusion : normal
Lol @ the birth defect from alcoholism 🤣🤣
Well, along with the behaviours stated, there is another huge red flag in the middle of his face in the form of his nose. The glowing likely enhanced and the lead secured over the years by repeated insertion of said nose up the jolly red bosses ass (where confusion arose on Rudolph’s part and he thought Santa was yelling glow instead of grow!!). Not an issue for Rudolph. I mean c’mon – he ran off with Hermey – not Hermione. Happiest when out front, believing that unless you’re the lead dog, the scenery never changes and no legacy is secured.
Don’t fall for that pity play of crying – that was for himself and not the fear of disappointing children.
Narcissist.
I suspect meth use due to the high energy level and elated state
There was no love bombing, devaluation or discarding of other reindeer. He likes his role as being leader. He’s good at it. He likes to drink… ok…. many non narcs do. He cried about not being able to pull the sleigh . Happy when he can lead. He has feelings.
I voted Narcissistic.
PS: Fantastic interview on TWOIS!
Thank you.
“Suggestion that red nose may be product of reliance on alcohol”
How dare you ruin Rudolph for me.
Whats next, conflict with the law due to drunk sleigh-pulling?
Rudolph went to the Island of misfit toys. He showed empathy… by saving the misfits from the narc toy taker! Plus he went to the island to change his nose to normal to please Clarise! So at worst… narcisstic traits. But normal.
Need for attention and control
Annoys others
Need for recognition and to be the leader
Superficially popular and attractive
Intransigent and not a team player
Created by ridicule and lack of control at an early age
Forgot to say Narcissist!
Not a fan then Notme!!
Nah, All me, me, me.
Donner and blitzen, the super empath reindeers are always rolling their eyes and saying ‘what a twat!’ when he prances about telling everyone how important he is but Comet is mad for him, she doesn’t know he’s knocking off Dancer too though. They’ve all fallen out with him at times because of his attention seeking, even got his own song out of it!
Rudolph is an empath.
_ he wants to lead to make sure all children get their presents in time.
_ ran away with an elf because nobody could understand their friendship.
_wants to be at the forefront of matters because he is a carrier and wants to have the job done, and he knows that he can’t rely on others, they are too busy gossiping about him, and being hatefull because he is the cuttest one.
_ he is most famous, because it is children who decide on this issue, and they are abviously wiser than adultes when it comes to deciding who is good or not.
_ he never drank a single drop of alcohol, it was just a rumors invented by the grinche to smear santa and all those who work for him.
Some force in those assertions!
ha ha , i make sure to do my best when it comes to such serious matter.
Empath.
1. Ridiculed in early life for physical trait and responded by running away with similar outsider (elf). So identified with another, teamed up (empathic traits empathy, cooperation) and exited. No evidence present of ridicule leading to wounding and ignition of fury, your honour
2.Enjoys the limelight as a bi-product of innate fame (he is Rudolph, the very trait ridiculed now attracts attention), did not seek the limelight but enjoys limelight, does not feel powerful and in control in limelight. Empath capacity for enjoyment/joy, your honour.
3.Suggestion that red nose due to alcohol. Unsubstantiated smear by Matrideer Narc, who once ridiculed nowfe celebrated nose, your honour.
4. Always needs to be a the forefront of matters. Your honour I request that this so called ‘fact’ be excluded from evidence on the basis of vagueness.
5. Suffered Exclusion by other reindeer. Did not have the necessary self defense mechanism to instinctively milk available fuel matrix. Experienced suffering instead. Although ‘suffering’ is not an empathic trait per se, your honour, I put to you that in statistical terms this fact of suffering supports a verdict of empath.
6. At his best in fog. At his best when helping self and others in difficulty due to empathic traits. Red, glowing nose that can lead through fog, stands in for the obligations of this emapathic reindeer, your honour.
7. Most famous reindeer on the planet. The rare empathic reindeer does make it to the top. End of.(your honour).
7. Place assured in history. See 7, your honour
8.Started crying when felt he would not be able to pull Santa´s sleigh. That was a mean joke played by Santa on a bad day. Touched a sore spot in Rudolph and he got upset. Reminded him of past exclusion. Ns don’t dwell on the past, your honour.
9. Happy when he is able to lead. Empaths do happy. Ns don’t. Normals also do happy so I see the weakness of this point, your honour.
Motion to exclude item 4 denied. He leads the reindeer, therefore always needs to be at the forefront.
Well argued the balance.
He needs to be at the forefront for health and safety reasons, not because he wants control. Control is the by-product in this case
No narcissist would deign to be in any other position than the lead and staring at another’s jackhole to boot. Lol.
Your honour, understood. The defense rests.
Your Honor,
We ask that you to reconsider the motion to strike number 4 from the evidentiary record. Where is the supporting evidence that Rudolf himself *needs* to be at the forefront? We concede his position is at the forefront, but no evidence has been entered demonstrating need. In fact, numerous sworn witness statements clearly establish it was Santa who implored, “Rudolf with your nose so bright, won’t you guide my sleigh tonight?” Rudolf did not demand or commandeer the lead position, he was invited to do the job and hired on the spot. Rudolf is merely doing the job he was hired to do.
Motion denied counsellor. Your application was vexatious in light of this honourable court’s earlier determination. Further, an affidavit from Mr Claus states “The red nosed bugger held me to ransom, so I had to beg him to guide the sleigh, otherwise hundreds of millions of children would have received no presents, all because of the Shiny Ones outrageous arrogance at assuming he should lead. The content of the earlier witness statement requires context.”
I’m holding you in contempt too!
Santa sounds like he’s blame shifting. Maybe Santa is the narcissist and has been triangulating the other reindeer with Ruldolf.
Is there any supporting evidence for his claims?
Indeed. One could make the case that Santa is the narcissist and his primary pack of reindeer are his coterie.
Haters with no identity are coming for Rudolf because he possesses a natural talent that the rest of them don’t have. It’s obvious that Santa directs the sledge and Rudolf’s nose makes it possible for Santa to get through the fog without getting lost. If anything, Rudolf is a super empath carrier/saviour hybrid
Rudolph.
That was petty but okay
I note my published comments are often littered with the occasional typo or auto correct assault and overlooked editing mistakes. It is frustrating and I extend my sincere apologies to all those who care. Poor Rudolph. Maligned by feckless reindeer and then disrespected by his own counsel by way of repeated misspellings of his name!
FYC:
Apologize NOW, before he gets out the Celine Dion.
Violetta, As an empath defense counselor, I must vigorously defend honesty and decency. I will not fold upon intimidation by way of contempt. Queue The Heart Will Go On” lol
I rested the defense prematurely. Good point, highly learned colleague FYC
AnneB, esteemed colleague, your posts were well made. N’s do not do happy. Do not be swayed by this uncorroborated affidavit.
Well, this new evidence from Mr Clause changes everything. Rudolph,why did you withhold this from counsel?? Bah, get yourself a new rep Rudie, I’m moving to the office of public prosecutions of talking xmas baubels.
HG, as me, I loved your witty response and had a very, very good laugh. Way to seize the power!
As the defense counselor in this role play must say:
I apologize to your Honor for any vexation I may have caused in taking action on behalf of my client, however, I also must regrettably ask your honor to recuse himself due to evident bias demonstrated by reading an uncorroborated affidavit that has not been entered into the record at any time prior. In so doing, you have tainted the jury. Let the record reflect the defense decent on this matter and our intention to file on appeal if you fail to recuse.
FYC:
When he switches to “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now,” you’ll cave. No one gets out of Room 101 without breaking.
Imagine, in a suitable whine–complete with references to the Golden Period, as if SHE were the victim being Hoovered:
I finished crying in the instant that you left
And I can’t remember where or when or how
And I banished every memory you and I had ever made
But when you touch me like this
And you hold me like that
I just have to admit
That it’s all coming back to me
When I touch you like this
And I hold you like that
It’s so hard to believe but it’s all coming back to me
(It’s all coming back, it’s all coming back to me now)
There were moments of gold and there were flashes of light
Still want to be a ThoughtCriminal, Comrade?
You made your point! I’m out!
Where is this Christmas story bundle Foolme mentioned? Apparently it’s appropriate for children as I just assumed they shudder in fear but she says not the case… I’m interested please.
I wouldn’t deem the Advent story bundle as appropriate for children.
Thank you.
Why not? The poems you read are most certainly for children, especially preteen children. Pfttt!
You think the Advent material is suitable for children? That is what I am referring to.
You referenced stories (or rather Lorelei stated you said this) and the recitals are not stories, they are poems.
There was a lack of clarity with regard to what was being referred to.
The Advent Stories are not suitable for preteen children.
The recitals of poems includes some material suitable, not all as they will not understand some of the material, not that it is frightening or unpleasant.
Once again you are correct and there was a lack of clarity as to what we both were referring to. Apologize HG.
No need to apologise FM1T.
Oh as for the poems since the children in question are preteens they will enjoy most if not all of your poems.
Silent night is indeed pleasant. I can’t open The Grinch. It’s clearly a Lorelei problem.
Lorelei, I am not a parent, but I think the Christmas recitals (not advent) would be great for the whole family.
Thanks FYC—I assume that is likely what Foolme indicated rather than advent. I am curious if Devil’s Toolkit with the new cover may be good “take a book to school day” for the elementary grades??
AnneB
Nice catch in the “Empaths do happy.. Ns don’t.” Very true! I know this is meant to be a fun exercise (and it is), but truly, my eyes floated right over that word. Just as we sometimes overlook the evidence in real life.
Hi Narc Angel, Yes, I had fun with this! And your comment about Rudolph’s nose in relation to Santa’sit derriere was very funny! I was very happy when I saw the word ‘happy’. Realising that H.G. had specified that these were ‘facts’, it meant I could be done already and stop tapping away sooner. Defending Rudolph has been keeping me up past my bedtime! –
(bravo!!) I really liked your response
Glad you enjoyed reading my argument, Argb, Thank you! It’s been fun at this thread, just what the doctor ordered for me at this time of year. Sending you warm thoughts across the ether.
I see you, Rudolph the Narcissist!
The blinking nose makes me feel happy!