I didn’t see “The brother” posted here yet, but listened on utube. Ashleigh’s brother is definitely an empath and has no clue what Ashleigh is…yet. maybe he will in the future. I remember being at the stage he is at and still to this day scratch my head at some of the behaviors. One thing that’s come up twice now is the fact that Peter has a bit of a temper. Possibly harmless and Ashleigh took this trait and spun it into something more dire. I need to finish the series so maybe more light is shed on this. It’s obvious her brother loves her and is concerned for her and her children. He helped shed light on her upbringing. Her father doted on her and supported all her achievements and activities. It’s clear she was competitive and needed attention and an audience. I’m interested to learn more about the dynamics between her mother and her. It sounds like her mother had more to do with her brother. Usually a narcissist has one narcissist parent or caregiver and the father doesn’t seem that way so i have to think it’s her mother. Come on Ashleigh’s mum tell us your side! 😁
Hi C, I’ve seen ‘The Brother’ video too. Thought he sounded like a normal initially until I read your comment. Now, I wonder if he is an empath. Either way, there was explanations to why he made that point and this point.
Hi Asp Emp…I thought empath bc he was genuinely concerned for his sister and wished she would visit more. He also stated if Peter was abusive he would kick his butt more or less lol He seems to care about her, whereas a normal would say It’s her choice what she does and if she doean’t visit that’s fine.
He also became friends with her past boyfriends and it bothered him how she would replace them so often. He regards friendships meaningful. I do get a sense he is an empath. We haven’t seen very much of him in the series tho.
Ashleigh’s brother certainly has the blindness of an empath. He puts issues between them down to sibling rivalry and only sees the good in their parents and what they have done. Doesn’t realize he was maybe mother’s golden child (if she is a narcissist). The father seems to have indulged Ashleigh which could also be cause for her narcissism. Though, parents being involved with their children’s activities is par for the course. He does seem to think it odd that Ashleigh takes pride in the fact Amelia is just like her. The red flags are flying, but being an unaware empath or normal, her brother is not seeing them as such. He knows his sister needs help due to her unstable nature, but has no idea that in many ways she is beyond help. And seeking it out for her is just going to keep them all on the hamster wheel. It’s exhausting just to imagine!
LET, interesting to read your ‘take’ on this brother video. Yes, it should be interesting how it all is when all is ‘revealed’. If Asheligh did indeed visit / have the appt with the psychologist – would they spot the narcissism??? Hmmm. A point to consider. So much goes on behind closed doors that the outside world is blind to see even when the facade drops as soon as the door opens……
Is this a twist? Or is this just Ashleigh’s version of a smear campaign (while she has an audience to listen) and a way to proclaim her victim status? I’m with Chihuahuamum on this one. Maybe Ashleigh’s mother was a narcissist, that doesn’t preclude Ashleigh becoming one herself. If she had a LOCE and the genetic predisposition. She perceives her father and brother as ‘weak’. She obviously loves all the trimmings, in terms of what Peter can provide. And she seems to be aware that Wynne wants to rescue her without any sense of responsibility on her part as to what that means for him … “he doesn’t know me at all”. No, he doesn’t. I don’t hear any empathy, just pity play after pity play.
Time for Wynne to wake up and smell the roses. Time for Peter to do the same.
Ashley’s story. Having followed the ‘trilogy’ series so far and reading the video, ‘The Wife’ tells her perception of what had and has transpired.
I’ve enjoyed the ‘Narcissist : Seduction’, followed by the ‘Narcissist : Ensnared’ series and am now looking forward to reading the third part of the ‘Ashley / Ian / Peter’ triangle.
She’s definitely a somatic midranger victim narcissist! I’ve not yet finished the series, but by the sounds of it Wynne’s fuel has expired. I wonder who is her next source lined up behind Wynne? She no doubt has someone else in the wings.Wynne probably reminds her of her dad a doormat.
This has been my thought from the beginning. I have listened to the entire series, some of them twice just to go back and look at other characters, and this video just seals the deal for me. Definitely a somatic victim mid range narcissist. I’ll be shocked if we’re wrong.
Hi Fox…The fact she thinks all men fancy her is definitely a red flag. Her blatant triangulation imo make her out to be a lower mid range. I don’t think she’s even aware how cringy and obvious that is. Equally cringy is how Wynne shrugs it off. That is another boundary chipped. Most men would get pissed at that and voice up, but Wynne goes along with it.
I’ve had a narc triangulate me and i did voice up many times, but that was before i learned here that narcissists enjoy negative fuel as well. You can’t win either way. They’ll just make note of what bothers you and do it more or deflect by saying how sensitive you are or insecure.
The pity plays are a blaring mid ranger alert!
Also obvious is the way she views her daughter Amelia as an extension of herself. The fact she views her as a friend or sister makes me wonder how much of a mother she’s actually been to her.
I do think her mother could possibly be a narcissist and there could be some truth in her account of her.
I definitely agree with all of this analysis. She is the most obvious character in the story. It is very likely her mother is also a narcissist, as you said there could be some truth to what she is saying, but hopefully we will get more information regarding that soon.
The narcissist cannot be named as two cadres, they have a prevailing cadre and may have traces/elements of other cadres but there is a governing cadre and that is the one they are described as. Thus, you would have a Somatic who has some victim traits, but he or she would only be described as Somatic.
I would think so. She is obsessed with her physical self and possession and always has a catastrophe going on with pity plays. Midranger and not a smart one!
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I didn’t see “The brother” posted here yet, but listened on utube. Ashleigh’s brother is definitely an empath and has no clue what Ashleigh is…yet. maybe he will in the future. I remember being at the stage he is at and still to this day scratch my head at some of the behaviors. One thing that’s come up twice now is the fact that Peter has a bit of a temper. Possibly harmless and Ashleigh took this trait and spun it into something more dire. I need to finish the series so maybe more light is shed on this. It’s obvious her brother loves her and is concerned for her and her children. He helped shed light on her upbringing. Her father doted on her and supported all her achievements and activities. It’s clear she was competitive and needed attention and an audience. I’m interested to learn more about the dynamics between her mother and her. It sounds like her mother had more to do with her brother. Usually a narcissist has one narcissist parent or caregiver and the father doesn’t seem that way so i have to think it’s her mother. Come on Ashleigh’s mum tell us your side! 😁
Hi C, I’ve seen ‘The Brother’ video too. Thought he sounded like a normal initially until I read your comment. Now, I wonder if he is an empath. Either way, there was explanations to why he made that point and this point.
Hi Asp Emp…I thought empath bc he was genuinely concerned for his sister and wished she would visit more. He also stated if Peter was abusive he would kick his butt more or less lol He seems to care about her, whereas a normal would say It’s her choice what she does and if she doean’t visit that’s fine.
He also became friends with her past boyfriends and it bothered him how she would replace them so often. He regards friendships meaningful. I do get a sense he is an empath. We haven’t seen very much of him in the series tho.
Hi C, yes, we only have Ashleigh’s ‘take’ regarding her brother in the series….. until his ‘side’ of the story came forth….
Ashleigh’s brother certainly has the blindness of an empath. He puts issues between them down to sibling rivalry and only sees the good in their parents and what they have done. Doesn’t realize he was maybe mother’s golden child (if she is a narcissist). The father seems to have indulged Ashleigh which could also be cause for her narcissism. Though, parents being involved with their children’s activities is par for the course. He does seem to think it odd that Ashleigh takes pride in the fact Amelia is just like her. The red flags are flying, but being an unaware empath or normal, her brother is not seeing them as such. He knows his sister needs help due to her unstable nature, but has no idea that in many ways she is beyond help. And seeking it out for her is just going to keep them all on the hamster wheel. It’s exhausting just to imagine!
LET, interesting to read your ‘take’ on this brother video. Yes, it should be interesting how it all is when all is ‘revealed’. If Asheligh did indeed visit / have the appt with the psychologist – would they spot the narcissism??? Hmmm. A point to consider. So much goes on behind closed doors that the outside world is blind to see even when the facade drops as soon as the door opens……
Is this a twist? Or is this just Ashleigh’s version of a smear campaign (while she has an audience to listen) and a way to proclaim her victim status? I’m with Chihuahuamum on this one. Maybe Ashleigh’s mother was a narcissist, that doesn’t preclude Ashleigh becoming one herself. If she had a LOCE and the genetic predisposition. She perceives her father and brother as ‘weak’. She obviously loves all the trimmings, in terms of what Peter can provide. And she seems to be aware that Wynne wants to rescue her without any sense of responsibility on her part as to what that means for him … “he doesn’t know me at all”. No, he doesn’t. I don’t hear any empathy, just pity play after pity play.
Time for Wynne to wake up and smell the roses. Time for Peter to do the same.
Ashley’s story. Having followed the ‘trilogy’ series so far and reading the video, ‘The Wife’ tells her perception of what had and has transpired.
I’ve enjoyed the ‘Narcissist : Seduction’, followed by the ‘Narcissist : Ensnared’ series and am now looking forward to reading the third part of the ‘Ashley / Ian / Peter’ triangle.
She’s definitely a somatic midranger victim narcissist! I’ve not yet finished the series, but by the sounds of it Wynne’s fuel has expired. I wonder who is her next source lined up behind Wynne? She no doubt has someone else in the wings.Wynne probably reminds her of her dad a doormat.
This has been my thought from the beginning. I have listened to the entire series, some of them twice just to go back and look at other characters, and this video just seals the deal for me. Definitely a somatic victim mid range narcissist. I’ll be shocked if we’re wrong.
Hi Fox…The fact she thinks all men fancy her is definitely a red flag. Her blatant triangulation imo make her out to be a lower mid range. I don’t think she’s even aware how cringy and obvious that is. Equally cringy is how Wynne shrugs it off. That is another boundary chipped. Most men would get pissed at that and voice up, but Wynne goes along with it.
I’ve had a narc triangulate me and i did voice up many times, but that was before i learned here that narcissists enjoy negative fuel as well. You can’t win either way. They’ll just make note of what bothers you and do it more or deflect by saying how sensitive you are or insecure.
The pity plays are a blaring mid ranger alert!
Also obvious is the way she views her daughter Amelia as an extension of herself. The fact she views her as a friend or sister makes me wonder how much of a mother she’s actually been to her.
I do think her mother could possibly be a narcissist and there could be some truth in her account of her.
I definitely agree with all of this analysis. She is the most obvious character in the story. It is very likely her mother is also a narcissist, as you said there could be some truth to what she is saying, but hopefully we will get more information regarding that soon.
But can you be both victim and somatic??🤔
The narcissist cannot be named as two cadres, they have a prevailing cadre and may have traces/elements of other cadres but there is a governing cadre and that is the one they are described as. Thus, you would have a Somatic who has some victim traits, but he or she would only be described as Somatic.
Yes, sorry that is what I meant, HG. Both of those traits seem very strong in her but I believe it is Somatic that is dominant.
Indeed, Fox.
Thank you very much for your awnser. I think that the “victim” in her isn’t a permanent state but something she uses as a manipulación, on and off.
I would think so. She is obsessed with her physical self and possession and always has a catastrophe going on with pity plays. Midranger and not a smart one!
Somatic with Victim traits?
Oops possessions …well she’s possessed as well 😆
Nice twist – unexpected 🙂
I can’t wait to watch this!
Yikes! I didn’t see the plot twist coming.