HG, I’ve been watching the drama series ‘Deceit’ which provides an account of the arrest and honeytrap used to arrest Colin Stagg. It got me interested in criminal profiling and so I’ve been reading up a little (not got terribly far).
In the drama they refer to Stagg and then Rachel’s real killer, Napper, as likely to live alone or with parents. I understand the living with parents as this would be NIPS. However, in Stagg’s case, obviously he did not kill her, and maybe he is not an N. With Napper, I can’t find any info on who he lived with at the time of his various attacks (I’ve not had time to exhaust this though), but you’ve previously mentioned serial killers are typically Ps/Ns. Regardless of whether Napper did didn’t live with anyone, criminal profilers will often say live alone or with parents for people who commit certain offences in a particular manner.
My questions are, for those who live alone, is this how they sustain their fuel supply? By attacking random or targeted people they don’t know?
Are they then in constant crisis and the creature takes a hold of them which causes them to display/experience schizophrenic type behaviours? Cleary, I get they would have a sadistic streak anyway, but what drives them to actually murder someone they don’t know, is it all pent up lack of control?
Whilst profilers seem to pick up on some accuracies, some of it from my understanding is a bit ‘off’. For example, they refer to those with sadistic tendencies to be completely lacking in empathy, suggesting others may have some, when clearly they don’t.
He may not be a narcissist.
If he is and is not obtaining fuel in ways you are unaware of (remember you never fully know what somebody is doing all of the time) the narcissist would be experiencing repeated fuel crises which would result in rampant paranoia which may well drive the narcissist to kill somebody, not for the fuel, but to alleviate a perceived threat to control exacerbated by the heightened paranoia.
Thank you for that question Alexiss and for that answer by HG.
I know this paranoia. I know these thoughts have been with him for a long time. He is afraid of them. He is afraid that he will cross the border. Was close. I pulled him out of it. Perhaps I saved someone’s life.
For six months, I checked all murder cases in his area. The question of the slaughter of a herd of sheep remains unresolved.
This pain is the hardest for me.
Now he is in shape. Is “good”. He believes again. It has the strength. Nothing’s going to happen now. I don’t know how long he’ll keep it …
I know he will be back. What if I don’t pick it up then?
I haven’t decided what to do yet. I stand at the crossroads.
I can close it now and worry about nothing but myself.
I can leave it to fate and decide later.
I can wait and go through this again (risk of being left with THIS problem).
Someone who knows only a few percent of the truth told me contemptuously: “You should let THIS die.”
He or me?
He or someone?
—————–
I’m not ready to listen to this audio file yet… Is it possible to translate as on YT?
HG, I had a very chilling feeling with my ex narc on a couple of occasions. Once we got into an argument about something I can’t even remember but I said to him “ I’m not worried about you, you can’t really do anything to hurt me.” The moment froze in time and the most chilling reaction came from him. He looked at me with almost black eyes and said “ oh, you just don’t know” with the most evil smile. It’s like he was forewarning me of something that I actually had nightmares about. My daughter’s first reaction to him when meeting him was “ mom, please don’t date him he looks like a serial killer!” Honestly, I believe this one could have been the one to do something horrific!
I don’t know what “my” narcissist is capable of. A coward who runs away from life. Courageous in illegal activities, he is not afraid of anything. A sissy and a thug in one. Only contradictions.
Me too MB! This is why they get so much sympathy and get away with so much. I think I’m going to see if I can begin to view them more like the current image. And, while I understand they don’t view themselves this way, at least the aware ones may view the Creature this way. So that innocent image is still fake, in a sense, or at least they use it to control us. And that is not only the aware ones.
The Creature is the lost self, the true self that never developed. When you listen to The Creature introduction, you find that The Creature is really just an immature being, ill-equipped to run the life of the False Self so it cannot be allowed to see the light of day. A ghost of past failure, frozen in time.
Oh yes, that’s what I took from that as well. I see, so the innocent little boy is more accurate. Thank you. That doesn’t help my resistance but it’s the truth. I have a very old photo of my mom about age 3, so cute, so difficult to think of what happened to her. Thank you MB.
For me, personally, this is one of the ‘key’ resources that assisted me in my understanding myself better, it gave me the insight that I needed for myself. I was also able to understand from the perspective of narcissism. I recommend this for anyone who has experienced life as an ACON, or is / was ensnared by a narcissist.
Wow, that image is quite devastating. Is that really how narcissists see themselves? That is so sad, I see why it is hopeless to consider change, starting from such a point. And how does it become such? That is too horrible to even consider, the pain that must be involved to bring this about. Heartbreaking.
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OOOOOOH I am a huge fan of the zombie horror genre. #doubletap What a great visualization of the Creature.
My god that is interesting. I wish I could think things through as logically as you do! It makes so much sense when you explain it.
The first WP notification I’ve had in months and very pleased not to have missed this one! Thank you very much HG
You are welcome.
HG, I’ve been watching the drama series ‘Deceit’ which provides an account of the arrest and honeytrap used to arrest Colin Stagg. It got me interested in criminal profiling and so I’ve been reading up a little (not got terribly far).
In the drama they refer to Stagg and then Rachel’s real killer, Napper, as likely to live alone or with parents. I understand the living with parents as this would be NIPS. However, in Stagg’s case, obviously he did not kill her, and maybe he is not an N. With Napper, I can’t find any info on who he lived with at the time of his various attacks (I’ve not had time to exhaust this though), but you’ve previously mentioned serial killers are typically Ps/Ns. Regardless of whether Napper did didn’t live with anyone, criminal profilers will often say live alone or with parents for people who commit certain offences in a particular manner.
My questions are, for those who live alone, is this how they sustain their fuel supply? By attacking random or targeted people they don’t know?
Are they then in constant crisis and the creature takes a hold of them which causes them to display/experience schizophrenic type behaviours? Cleary, I get they would have a sadistic streak anyway, but what drives them to actually murder someone they don’t know, is it all pent up lack of control?
Whilst profilers seem to pick up on some accuracies, some of it from my understanding is a bit ‘off’. For example, they refer to those with sadistic tendencies to be completely lacking in empathy, suggesting others may have some, when clearly they don’t.
Thanks so much
He may not be a narcissist.
If he is and is not obtaining fuel in ways you are unaware of (remember you never fully know what somebody is doing all of the time) the narcissist would be experiencing repeated fuel crises which would result in rampant paranoia which may well drive the narcissist to kill somebody, not for the fuel, but to alleviate a perceived threat to control exacerbated by the heightened paranoia.
Thank you for that question Alexiss and for that answer by HG.
I know this paranoia. I know these thoughts have been with him for a long time. He is afraid of them. He is afraid that he will cross the border. Was close. I pulled him out of it. Perhaps I saved someone’s life.
For six months, I checked all murder cases in his area. The question of the slaughter of a herd of sheep remains unresolved.
This pain is the hardest for me.
Now he is in shape. Is “good”. He believes again. It has the strength. Nothing’s going to happen now. I don’t know how long he’ll keep it …
I know he will be back. What if I don’t pick it up then?
I haven’t decided what to do yet. I stand at the crossroads.
I can close it now and worry about nothing but myself.
I can leave it to fate and decide later.
I can wait and go through this again (risk of being left with THIS problem).
Someone who knows only a few percent of the truth told me contemptuously: “You should let THIS die.”
He or me?
He or someone?
—————–
I’m not ready to listen to this audio file yet… Is it possible to translate as on YT?
HG, I had a very chilling feeling with my ex narc on a couple of occasions. Once we got into an argument about something I can’t even remember but I said to him “ I’m not worried about you, you can’t really do anything to hurt me.” The moment froze in time and the most chilling reaction came from him. He looked at me with almost black eyes and said “ oh, you just don’t know” with the most evil smile. It’s like he was forewarning me of something that I actually had nightmares about. My daughter’s first reaction to him when meeting him was “ mom, please don’t date him he looks like a serial killer!” Honestly, I believe this one could have been the one to do something horrific!
They like to scare.
I don’t know what “my” narcissist is capable of. A coward who runs away from life. Courageous in illegal activities, he is not afraid of anything. A sissy and a thug in one. Only contradictions.
Certainly – he is unpredictable.
For a minute I thought you were announcing the book! Will continue tho wait 😊
This is the way I imagine The Creature: https://narcsite.com/2020/08/29/a-momentary-lapse-into-weakness-5/amp/
Me too MB! This is why they get so much sympathy and get away with so much. I think I’m going to see if I can begin to view them more like the current image. And, while I understand they don’t view themselves this way, at least the aware ones may view the Creature this way. So that innocent image is still fake, in a sense, or at least they use it to control us. And that is not only the aware ones.
The Creature is the lost self, the true self that never developed. When you listen to The Creature introduction, you find that The Creature is really just an immature being, ill-equipped to run the life of the False Self so it cannot be allowed to see the light of day. A ghost of past failure, frozen in time.
Oh yes, that’s what I took from that as well. I see, so the innocent little boy is more accurate. Thank you. That doesn’t help my resistance but it’s the truth. I have a very old photo of my mom about age 3, so cute, so difficult to think of what happened to her. Thank you MB.
Cool new graphic.
For me, personally, this is one of the ‘key’ resources that assisted me in my understanding myself better, it gave me the insight that I needed for myself. I was also able to understand from the perspective of narcissism. I recommend this for anyone who has experienced life as an ACON, or is / was ensnared by a narcissist.
Wow, that image is quite devastating. Is that really how narcissists see themselves? That is so sad, I see why it is hopeless to consider change, starting from such a point. And how does it become such? That is too horrible to even consider, the pain that must be involved to bring this about. Heartbreaking.
No, because most have no awareness. However choosing such a depiction is more effective than providing a fluffy bunny.
Of course, that makes sense. Thank you. But even if those of you with awareness see this, that is still beyond sad.