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Jasmin, thank you so much for sharing all of this! What you share is so thorough! Your thoughts and actions are so similar to some of mine also, it is interesting how Empaths are similar and even more within their schools and cadres.
I do not have Contagion and though I do experience nature as you state, I do not experience the feelings of others at all really. I have been wondering about this nature thing, also dreams, are these tied to Contagion or Empaths in general?
The Martyr would not do well for me as I cannot stay focused for long monologues! I fell asleep once during one that the summer narc was doing. He was offended. Lol! It made me laugh!
But so much of the rest is the same, I also hope for more info regarding the Standard, how they go through life. I think I have a pretty good grasp on it, we are not looking for kudos, we just do our thing. But it doesn’t stand out in any way that is “readable” as “Oh, there’s my Standard showing”. The Super does do that, I agree. The Carrier sometimes frustrates me, I don’t want to carry something at times but feel put upon to do so and very occasionally have a hard time saying no. And my Geyser shows up here and there, almost always in a positive fun way, if I am upset by something, it fits not come out as Geyser. It once did sometimes, with my ex, but since being away from the constant narc interaction, it does not. I have become quite comfortable with the Savior and can make a choice to “save” or not, at this point, which I’m happy for.
Nice that you got it done and yes, the trait detector is also great for understanding yourself better also, and which traits can be manipulated etc. I am highest in pride and vanity on the N side, and let me tell you, I can see when those are corrupted! At those times it would be easy, too easy, for a narcissist to step in and cause issues. Also for them to do the corrupting! My Truthseeker is my highest E trait, hence going to the source for answers! I need to know!
Thanks again for sharing, it was fun to read! Take care Jasmin!
I agree that it is easier to see the behaviour that you usually not behave in. I’m even surprised sometimes when I’m acting out of my normal.
Yes, 63% saviour is whopping! I do think that Saviour is a beautiful cadre that can bring a lot of good as long as we put our energy and effort where we can make a difference instead of focusing on the Ns (that can’t be fixed).
I came back with schools:
65% Standard (majority),
22% Contagion (significant),
13% Super (insignificant).
Cadres:
45% Saviour (very strong),
32% Carrier (strong),
23% Martyr(significant).
When it comes to how my elements are manifesting I’m still very much learning. I think that many of you are far better at pointing out where a certain behaviour comes from.
Saviour – as you say a desire to heal the hurt and to protect. However, the man I choose as a romantic partner can’t be highly vulnerable. There’s a tipping point, if you will, where I no longer see any ‘manhood’. I’m more attracted to a strong and confident, jet humble man. I want a man who’s able to protect me aswell, if needed. These conditions aren’t there for me when it comes to friendship so I’m more likely to take the highly vulnerable individual as a friend wanting to heal and fix them.
Carrier – I didn’t expect carrier but when HG said ‘as a strong carrier you will cover 5 or 6 aspects of the dynamic’, I puased and picked a pen and a paper (I think this is carrier behaviour?😅) and I hited 5,5. When it comes to oversee, organise and arrange, that is something that I enjoy and I voluntarily take sush tasks on me. The other aspects of the carrier will be fluid, I will do what the other person doesn’t, except for being the breadwinner.. No thank you, not interested!
The martyr manifest mainly in that I would sit and listen to the Ns problems for very long and I would feel very heavy and down as a consequence.
With N2 I took on more than I could handle so that I became exhausted.
Where’s my geyser? 😂
Standard Empath – I’m not sure but can it be that I’m a bit coward sometimes?
For example if I’m witness a stranger being verbally abusive towards another stranger I feel a desire to intervene but I won’t (fear of conflict).
If I witness sexual or physical violence on the other hand I would do so (in such circumstance I do not experience fear, I’m getting superpowers and just do it). Save if there are numerous predators.
If it is my friend who’s on the resiving end of verbal abuse I would intervene also (Here I’m uncomfortable but I push through).
Even though I have emotional empathy for strangers it’s not as high as with ‘my loved ones’ and think this is what makes me either act or not dependent on the seriousness of the abuse.
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the standard empath? I definitely need to learn more about the standard empath.
Contagion – I feel a connection with nature. Most notable when I bath/swim. I also like to touch leaves and high grass when I pass. Walking barefoot. 👣
I take on other people’s feelings. The first time I understood it was when I was in high school. I was in a clothing store and bought pants. The shop assistant was very happy and when I left I felt like walking on clouds, filled with happiness, and understood that I had been infected.
The only time I experience rage is when someone is raging at me.
N2 called me sponge on numerous occasions.
I’m a person of the senses. People have repetedly told med they feel hungry when they see me eat. I am enjoying every bite and take good time.
I love it when I’m walking through the citystreet and the wind brings the fresh smell of ‘laundry room’. I take a deep sniff, the neurones in my brain are dancing and I think -“Ahh, life is really great!
Can’t stand laundry detergent patches in the clothes or even a snot in the nose.
I withdraw from people and hermit/meditate. As a child I sat in a tree or some bushes and as teenager/adult I drag to a balcony or terrace, look up to the sky/stars and then I’m gone for a while. When I ‘wake up’ I have new energy.
I haven’t seen any discussion on the topic and don’t know if it falls under the contagion but I like to stay natural. I use(d) hormonfree birth control. Eat mainly organic (unfortunately less after the divorce due to economics, however the N was more toxic than the food). Make some DIY to avoid harmful substances. I don’t see myself as a anti-vaxer but I am wary of vaccin and so on..
Super – I feel like physical and sexual violence are my triggers. If I experience it or I see someone else experience it I will attack the predator. It can be a shove, hand raised and a -‘Back Off’. It can be a threat of police report or I might even physically assault them.
Then there are times when I suspect that I might be acting Super but there isn’t any violence but I feel betrayed or disrespected.
Often when thinking about these events I feel both proud; -‘I gave them what they deserved’ and embarrassed as I might have been cocky which I’m ordinarily not..
I’d like to have a consultation one day to discuss my results but I want to do the trait detector first.
I often wonder how our traits sits within our schools and cadres. How they work together?
Thank you for asking.
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Very long post.
Thank you so much for moderating HG.
I’m 99% sure I responded here. But my computer has told me there “Nonce system error” a few times in the past when I took too much time typing a response, and then I retyped and resubmitted. I don’t know if I missed an error message on that first submission attempt…I don’t feel entitled to having anything posted that you choose not to post. Your rules are very clear. I just don’t want you to think I’ve ignored any response you’ve taken time to give.
1. Yes. Though, I’m interested in more than just a time frame.
In writing, to my mind, you would need to assess a certain volume of written material over a length of time as well as content of what’s written.
I would think you’d also want to take into account how they respond to others. It gives more data points. Anyone might have a slightly snippy response. An empath (not a saint) already on edge has narcissistic traits that may be closer to the surface, due to ongoing abuse. And as you’ve said several times, there are a few narcissists (other than your most august self) who frequent the blog/watch your YouTube content or who have consulted you or purchased other products of yours.
How long does it take them to respond to a response? (that could show someone who is considerate (likely more empathic) or someone who wants control.)
Are there any particular phrases you look for in blog comments that point one way or another.
2. I’m interpreting “actual contact” to mean you see their face and they see yours, and you are physically sharing the same space. If that’s what you meant, then, no.
3. Fascinating. So you know if you’re responding to an empath/narcissist/etc the first time? Do you know school/cadre before responding, if applicable, the first time? I’m quite curious about what you’re able to determine and what you want to know about someone before you first respond.
You’ve said that you determine within ten minutes of conversation whether someone is empath/narcissist/normal/narcissistic.
1. How long does it take you in writing comments to your blog posts?
I recall you saying something like…”I carefully consider every interaction I have with someone. Especially if it will be extensive…”
2. If the contact you are contemplating begins via the blog, what amount of written material submitted over a period of time helps you determine that the first interaction is worth your time?
3. Do you determine their classification before you respond the first time on the blog?
1. Do you mean how long does it take me to assess somebody through what they write on the blog?
2. I do not understand what you mean. Are you suggesting that I make actual contact with someone from the blog based on what they have written?
3. It is a factor.
1. Yes, that is my question, please. “How long” meaning word count/content over a period of time.
If someone sends you one long rant about a potential narcissist in their life, that’s one interaction. I don’t see what determination could be made from that one rant. That comment could be the result of emotional thinking of an abused empath or the whinging, caterwauling, and gnashing of teeth of a narcissist.
Similarly, if a person’s first five comments are compliments to you or compliments about what you’ve written, but they’re ten words or less…I don’t see how the volume of information or variety of content is present to determine their classification.
You frequently reiterate that we (your readers/listeners) must observe behavior over a sustained period of time to know what kind of person we’re dealing with.
However, on the blog, you don’t have body language cues, etc. How does the loss of that information impact the time needed to assess people?
(I think the above is close to what I was going for in my question two from the first post, but I feel like I’ve missed some bits from there.)
2. No. I don’t think you make physical contact with those in real life who are on the blog…with the exception of the good doctors who may (have) monitor(ed) your activities (knowing that you have the blog and such)…I seem to remember seeing your comment somewhere that you knew they had visited your blog.
From what I understand, your main contact with online people is through your detectors/consultations/Youtube comments/blog comments/the occasional snail mail if someone requests a signed copy of a book via email.
3. What are the other factors that tell you a first response is worth your time?
Thank you so much for your time. I greatly appreciate it.
Dani
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Jasmin, thank you so much for sharing all of this! What you share is so thorough! Your thoughts and actions are so similar to some of mine also, it is interesting how Empaths are similar and even more within their schools and cadres.
I do not have Contagion and though I do experience nature as you state, I do not experience the feelings of others at all really. I have been wondering about this nature thing, also dreams, are these tied to Contagion or Empaths in general?
The Martyr would not do well for me as I cannot stay focused for long monologues! I fell asleep once during one that the summer narc was doing. He was offended. Lol! It made me laugh!
But so much of the rest is the same, I also hope for more info regarding the Standard, how they go through life. I think I have a pretty good grasp on it, we are not looking for kudos, we just do our thing. But it doesn’t stand out in any way that is “readable” as “Oh, there’s my Standard showing”. The Super does do that, I agree. The Carrier sometimes frustrates me, I don’t want to carry something at times but feel put upon to do so and very occasionally have a hard time saying no. And my Geyser shows up here and there, almost always in a positive fun way, if I am upset by something, it fits not come out as Geyser. It once did sometimes, with my ex, but since being away from the constant narc interaction, it does not. I have become quite comfortable with the Savior and can make a choice to “save” or not, at this point, which I’m happy for.
Nice that you got it done and yes, the trait detector is also great for understanding yourself better also, and which traits can be manipulated etc. I am highest in pride and vanity on the N side, and let me tell you, I can see when those are corrupted! At those times it would be easy, too easy, for a narcissist to step in and cause issues. Also for them to do the corrupting! My Truthseeker is my highest E trait, hence going to the source for answers! I need to know!
Thanks again for sharing, it was fun to read! Take care Jasmin!
Hi AV,
I agree that it is easier to see the behaviour that you usually not behave in. I’m even surprised sometimes when I’m acting out of my normal.
Yes, 63% saviour is whopping! I do think that Saviour is a beautiful cadre that can bring a lot of good as long as we put our energy and effort where we can make a difference instead of focusing on the Ns (that can’t be fixed).
I came back with schools:
65% Standard (majority),
22% Contagion (significant),
13% Super (insignificant).
Cadres:
45% Saviour (very strong),
32% Carrier (strong),
23% Martyr(significant).
When it comes to how my elements are manifesting I’m still very much learning. I think that many of you are far better at pointing out where a certain behaviour comes from.
Saviour – as you say a desire to heal the hurt and to protect. However, the man I choose as a romantic partner can’t be highly vulnerable. There’s a tipping point, if you will, where I no longer see any ‘manhood’. I’m more attracted to a strong and confident, jet humble man. I want a man who’s able to protect me aswell, if needed. These conditions aren’t there for me when it comes to friendship so I’m more likely to take the highly vulnerable individual as a friend wanting to heal and fix them.
Carrier – I didn’t expect carrier but when HG said ‘as a strong carrier you will cover 5 or 6 aspects of the dynamic’, I puased and picked a pen and a paper (I think this is carrier behaviour?😅) and I hited 5,5. When it comes to oversee, organise and arrange, that is something that I enjoy and I voluntarily take sush tasks on me. The other aspects of the carrier will be fluid, I will do what the other person doesn’t, except for being the breadwinner.. No thank you, not interested!
The martyr manifest mainly in that I would sit and listen to the Ns problems for very long and I would feel very heavy and down as a consequence.
With N2 I took on more than I could handle so that I became exhausted.
Where’s my geyser? 😂
Standard Empath – I’m not sure but can it be that I’m a bit coward sometimes?
For example if I’m witness a stranger being verbally abusive towards another stranger I feel a desire to intervene but I won’t (fear of conflict).
If I witness sexual or physical violence on the other hand I would do so (in such circumstance I do not experience fear, I’m getting superpowers and just do it). Save if there are numerous predators.
If it is my friend who’s on the resiving end of verbal abuse I would intervene also (Here I’m uncomfortable but I push through).
Even though I have emotional empathy for strangers it’s not as high as with ‘my loved ones’ and think this is what makes me either act or not dependent on the seriousness of the abuse.
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the standard empath? I definitely need to learn more about the standard empath.
Contagion – I feel a connection with nature. Most notable when I bath/swim. I also like to touch leaves and high grass when I pass. Walking barefoot. 👣
I take on other people’s feelings. The first time I understood it was when I was in high school. I was in a clothing store and bought pants. The shop assistant was very happy and when I left I felt like walking on clouds, filled with happiness, and understood that I had been infected.
The only time I experience rage is when someone is raging at me.
N2 called me sponge on numerous occasions.
I’m a person of the senses. People have repetedly told med they feel hungry when they see me eat. I am enjoying every bite and take good time.
I love it when I’m walking through the citystreet and the wind brings the fresh smell of ‘laundry room’. I take a deep sniff, the neurones in my brain are dancing and I think -“Ahh, life is really great!
Can’t stand laundry detergent patches in the clothes or even a snot in the nose.
I withdraw from people and hermit/meditate. As a child I sat in a tree or some bushes and as teenager/adult I drag to a balcony or terrace, look up to the sky/stars and then I’m gone for a while. When I ‘wake up’ I have new energy.
I haven’t seen any discussion on the topic and don’t know if it falls under the contagion but I like to stay natural. I use(d) hormonfree birth control. Eat mainly organic (unfortunately less after the divorce due to economics, however the N was more toxic than the food). Make some DIY to avoid harmful substances. I don’t see myself as a anti-vaxer but I am wary of vaccin and so on..
Super – I feel like physical and sexual violence are my triggers. If I experience it or I see someone else experience it I will attack the predator. It can be a shove, hand raised and a -‘Back Off’. It can be a threat of police report or I might even physically assault them.
Then there are times when I suspect that I might be acting Super but there isn’t any violence but I feel betrayed or disrespected.
Often when thinking about these events I feel both proud; -‘I gave them what they deserved’ and embarrassed as I might have been cocky which I’m ordinarily not..
I’d like to have a consultation one day to discuss my results but I want to do the trait detector first.
I often wonder how our traits sits within our schools and cadres. How they work together?
Thank you for asking.
—–‐‐—-‐————————‐————‐——–
Very long post.
Thank you so much for moderating HG.
Mr. Tudor,
I’m 99% sure I responded here. But my computer has told me there “Nonce system error” a few times in the past when I took too much time typing a response, and then I retyped and resubmitted. I don’t know if I missed an error message on that first submission attempt…I don’t feel entitled to having anything posted that you choose not to post. Your rules are very clear. I just don’t want you to think I’ve ignored any response you’ve taken time to give.
1. Yes. Though, I’m interested in more than just a time frame.
In writing, to my mind, you would need to assess a certain volume of written material over a length of time as well as content of what’s written.
I would think you’d also want to take into account how they respond to others. It gives more data points. Anyone might have a slightly snippy response. An empath (not a saint) already on edge has narcissistic traits that may be closer to the surface, due to ongoing abuse. And as you’ve said several times, there are a few narcissists (other than your most august self) who frequent the blog/watch your YouTube content or who have consulted you or purchased other products of yours.
How long does it take them to respond to a response? (that could show someone who is considerate (likely more empathic) or someone who wants control.)
Are there any particular phrases you look for in blog comments that point one way or another.
2. I’m interpreting “actual contact” to mean you see their face and they see yours, and you are physically sharing the same space. If that’s what you meant, then, no.
3. Fascinating. So you know if you’re responding to an empath/narcissist/etc the first time? Do you know school/cadre before responding, if applicable, the first time? I’m quite curious about what you’re able to determine and what you want to know about someone before you first respond.
Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.
Mr. Tudor,
You’ve said that you determine within ten minutes of conversation whether someone is empath/narcissist/normal/narcissistic.
1. How long does it take you in writing comments to your blog posts?
I recall you saying something like…”I carefully consider every interaction I have with someone. Especially if it will be extensive…”
2. If the contact you are contemplating begins via the blog, what amount of written material submitted over a period of time helps you determine that the first interaction is worth your time?
3. Do you determine their classification before you respond the first time on the blog?
1. Do you mean how long does it take me to assess somebody through what they write on the blog?
2. I do not understand what you mean. Are you suggesting that I make actual contact with someone from the blog based on what they have written?
3. It is a factor.
Mr. Tudor,
1. Yes, that is my question, please. “How long” meaning word count/content over a period of time.
If someone sends you one long rant about a potential narcissist in their life, that’s one interaction. I don’t see what determination could be made from that one rant. That comment could be the result of emotional thinking of an abused empath or the whinging, caterwauling, and gnashing of teeth of a narcissist.
Similarly, if a person’s first five comments are compliments to you or compliments about what you’ve written, but they’re ten words or less…I don’t see how the volume of information or variety of content is present to determine their classification.
You frequently reiterate that we (your readers/listeners) must observe behavior over a sustained period of time to know what kind of person we’re dealing with.
However, on the blog, you don’t have body language cues, etc. How does the loss of that information impact the time needed to assess people?
(I think the above is close to what I was going for in my question two from the first post, but I feel like I’ve missed some bits from there.)
2. No. I don’t think you make physical contact with those in real life who are on the blog…with the exception of the good doctors who may (have) monitor(ed) your activities (knowing that you have the blog and such)…I seem to remember seeing your comment somewhere that you knew they had visited your blog.
From what I understand, your main contact with online people is through your detectors/consultations/Youtube comments/blog comments/the occasional snail mail if someone requests a signed copy of a book via email.
3. What are the other factors that tell you a first response is worth your time?
Thank you so much for your time. I greatly appreciate it.
Dani