Charlie Kirk – The Public Reaction
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Mr. Tudor–
Will you cover anything about what seems to have recently come out about Kirk’s Discord messages that were confirmed to be authentic by Turning Point? The ones where a Jewish donor pulled out because Kirk would not fire/cut off Tucker Carlson (a narcissist according to you)? Kirk then mentioned wanting to try to get Candace Owens to come on or do something with them. I didn’t read the whole exchange, and I haven’t seen it. Kirk did say some unflattering things and mentioned reversing his opinion about Israel (apparently) in response to this one person’s actions.
I can see how this exchange could be drawing a line in the sand and saying “I will not be told who I can talk to or hire” to secure a donation. I can also see it being an assertion of control–someone was trying to use money to control him and that offended his sense of control (if he’s a narcissist). I can see a lot of possibilities about the meaning of what he was saying…not all of it flattering to him. It looks like black/white thinking that I have experienced and based on your excellent articles and videos about black/white thinking. I think covering comments like these made by Kirk would be very informative to your listeners and readership. I don’t agree with everything that Kirk said or did. I don’t know everything he said or did. I agree with some of it, like, summarized by me “we need to keep talking and stop using violence.”
Thank you for your time! Much appreciated.
I didn’t even know Charlie Kirk before his assassination. But I’m not his target audience. I recognized the face because I saw him on some news programs but I didn’t know his name or anything about him.
Over the past week I’ve done some research on him, and I found his views to be provocative. But he certainly didn’t deserve to die for those views. The polarizing views on his death are concerning. Some are glorifying him and see him as a martyr. Others are vilifying him and see him as evil. I’m somewhere in the middle. I see him as father, husband and political activist whose life was taken under despicable circumstances and way too soon.
I hope his death will be a catalyst to change. We need to learn to have open communication, healthy debate and respect for other people’s views. That seems to be lost.
Hi Leigh,
I agree, whether or not one agreed with his views, murdering him for those views was wrong.
Dear Mr Tudor,
Excellent video, thank you
These “calibre” of people speaks volumes
Herd mentality, absolutely
That’s their problem, they engage their mouths without thinking first
Interesting how these so called “DEI” self proclaimed humanitarian vocals, are the most hostile, violent and desensitised.
Heaven help us
I’ve actually found the public reaction to Charlie Kirk’s death to be utterly depressing.
Politicians, yes, I expect them to capitalise and use it to promote their own agenda. Activists I expect similar. It’s the reactions of normal people though that get to me.
I understand and agree with HG’s explanation as to why these people have taken to social media to crow and celebrate Kirk’s murder. Even so, I still am utterly disgusted and disheartened. I can’t help but ask myself what’s happening to us all? The videos made by young people I find most upsetting. This is the world that my kids will inhabit once I’ve gone. These young people are so cold and so certain that they are justified in their thinking and behaviour and soon my kids will be in and amongst them.
I expect it of narcissists. Beware the narcissist and steer clear! Got it. The narcissistic people actually I see as being less inclined to take to social media to express views on this one way or the other. They don’t need fuel and they simply don’t care enough. Kirk’s death isn’t enough to enter their world and elicit an emotional reaction. It’s just ‘something else on the news that doesn’t affect me.’ For the most part, personally I think the narcissistic grouping would be largely silent in this scenario. I’m most angered by the normals. In this group we really do find the sheep, the followers. Bright light, loud noise, and off they go.
I accept that empathy erodes, Kirk could fall within or outside the range of empathy depending on the beliefs these people hold. Agree. Tribalism at its finest. Despite that though, where is the common decency? Normals should at least have that. Why is it so difficult to understand that two young children just lost their father? Forget the politics, a man was shot through the neck. That’s what happened. And you don’t even have enough decency to recognise that before running your mouth on TikTok?
I don’t get it. Intellectually I do, but emotionally I don’t. What this and similar events demonstrates to me is that somewhere along the line, our humanity died. It died and we didn’t even notice.
The despair of the empath, TS.
Thank you for your acknowledgement HG.
The thing is we’ve been here before. Many, many times. It’s just all evident in a way that wasn’t possible in the past, including the good things about people. It’s here immediately and so much of it. I understand the sentiment, but I don’t think our humanity has died. I think it’s alive, kicking, and on full display in all its lurid color. I think the most horrible parts are still human. No one is coming to save us, and humanity is part hell. It always has been. But it isn’t dead.
I agree with you Allison. As a species we are predatory at the core. There have always been wars, atrocities, torture and murders and yes the key difference is that we hear more about it now via 24 hour news and commentary. To me, the key difference is the decline of society as a whole. How people treat each other on a daily basis, outside of war and conflict. Today I re listened to HG’s ‘Why is the World More Narcissistic?’ I agree with the seven points he makes there, particularly the influence of social norms, social media and social isolation. Those three elements concern me most because everything points to those having increasing negative influence going forward. As they do, what we see today I think is likely just the tip of the iceberg.
I think our core as a species–forged in our evolution–is a mixture of prosocial and antisocial elements. Our survival is the result of prosocial behaviors predominating for various reasons, but the other elements are still present.
The way I see it is that it’s those elements which we express in concepts related to morality, but we’re not solely or even primarily predatory in our essence. We’re both hunter and hunted, gatherer and ruiner. I think we’re not so much rotten to our core as a species (my overall reading of the sentiment expressed) but that we are a site of awesome potential for what can be framed good and evil.
Hi Allison,
I think you have a more positive view than I do overall.
At least we don’t eat our own young like the predatory hamster. There is at least that!
Hi TS,
I feel the same about the two murders, in the end, where was humanity? I find it worth noting that they both were killed by throat wounds…as if to silence them was the main goal, especially with Kirk.
Thank you for your thoughts on the murders and people’s reactions. I also was upset by the lack of concern and care shown by some people. It was equally as upsetting as the murders. Xx
Hi Rebecca,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I listened to HG’s Why Am I Drawn to Toxic Behaviours again today, it helped. I think my ET is likely elevated just now, this will cause me to lean more pessimistic than I usually am. I also think that I probably should limit my exposure to negative commentary as it doesn’t do anything other than make me feel worse. I will still watch the news, keep up with what’s going on in the world but the negative commentary about the events isn’t necessary.
I know you are feeling similarly, that helps, though I wish you weren’t feeling similarly!
Xx
Thank you TS,
I needed to take a step back and take a break from the chaos around us. It’s really all so upsetting. I couldn’t believe some of the comments people were posting about Kirk. It’s pure craziness.
I hope you’re able to pull away from the chaos and take some time for you. Xx
TS,
“where is the common decency? Normals should at least have that….a man was shot through the neck.”
In the age of video games and films where shootings and violence became a content they consume daily and is entertainment, it is no surprise. Mentally and emotionally they’re gone but may choose decency, I believe, with advancing age. Remember when Harry wore a nazi costume for fun but I doubt that he would repeat that now. Age and experience brings at least some brains along. Give them time. Some may change. Some not. Ignore them as you would do with pesky narcissists. There is nothing relevant about them. Individuals who were granted brains should have our attention and support. This will bear fruits.
Jordy,
“Individuals who were granted brains should have our attention and support.”
Oh my God that made me laugh. It’s very Jordy, thank you for that.
I agree with your point about the video games. I used to think that was over exaggerated but I think what video games do is desensitise young players to violence as a concept. Games are interactive so players can chat with others whilst playing and I think that likely further desensitises them or even glamourises violence in the minds of young people.
To my mind there is something else in play here though. Gaming is one thing, but online communities are another. Young people are more isolated than ever before. Statistics show that birth rates are falling in the West, large percentages of young people haven’t even had a romantic relationship let alone sex, well into their twenties. They have become used to the virtual world whilst simultaneously withdrawing from the real world. People can go days without human interaction particularly if they are out of work or are working from home. People bank online, shop online and even when they do go outside to shop they don’t even interact with a cashier, it’s self service more often than not. Unsurprisingly, people are unlearning how to interact with each other.
The result I think is that there are growing numbers of people who have a more vibrant and fulfilling life through online communities than they do in the real world. Online porn, online friends, online personas, online romance. I think this is confusing to young minds. It’s as though there is a switch between the influence of real life and online life. For some, the positions of those two things have switched to the point where real life is an awkward unfulfilling game and the virtual world feels vibrant and real. A mass psychosis of sorts. When a guy in his 20’s goes out and shoots a man in cold blood, is unaffected by it and returns to joke about it in his online community, to me, this guy doesn’t fully comprehend what he has done. It’s as if real life was the game and his virtual life was real.
Couple that with any form of mental illness and we have a large scale problem. That’s very much the sense I get from it all. A confusion that hinges on the lack of interaction in the real world compared to huge amounts of interaction in the virtual world. When virtual reality headsets come down in price, then we’ll really see confusion. I honestly think whole sections of the population will be happier in a virtual world than in the real world which will lead to increased social isolation, greater social media influence, lowered critical thinking and huge swathes of the population who are ridiculously easy to control.
That’s my theory. I really hope that I’m wrong.
TS says,
“It’s as if real life was the game and his virtual life was real.” – That’s interesting to consider and a scary thought for sure. Something is definitely amiss with many young people today.
TS, did you watch Chase Huges latest video on Charlie Kirk “The Tipping Point”? He explains the aftermath of what the media and algorithms are pushing right now is a psy op in order to further divide the americans. The third party is profiting from the two fighting. It’s worth checking out.
Hi Jordy,
I hadn’t but I have now! Thank you for the recommendation. He raises some very interesting points. I must admit, for someone who considers herself to be fairly thick skinned, this really got to me. My feed was filled with those negative videos. Even though I understand how algorithms work, I would say that was unusual.
If Chase Hughes is even partly correct it did make me think of something else. As empaths, we are easier to ensnare and keep ensnared, the downside of our empathic traits, but when I read the blog comments about the response to the Charlie Kirk negative commentary, I don’t see anger or venom, I just see sadness and dismay. So if there is a psy op designed to engender rage and hatred, it would appear that it is less effective on our particular group.
No one demonstrated hatred for the other political side. In fact, politics didn’t enter into our conversation at all. We were saddened by the extreme behaviour. Quietly questioning how things had come to this whilst recognising the behaviours as being entirely wrong.
To my mind if there was a planned manipulation, we didn’t fall for it. We didn’t rage or hate, we just were saddened. If I was looking to find hope in this, I think this is where I might find it. The empathic group holds the line. Our empathic traits ensure that we don’t join the braying masses but instead our decency holds strong. If I may say so, I’m quite proud of us all for that.
That video does make you think doesn’t it? Fringe did feel like the majority, I did fall for that. HG, if you could possibly find time, it would be really useful to know your thoughts on that video. ( Chase Hughes The Tipping Point.)
Dear Jordyguin,
Just watched Chase Hughes’ Tipping Point video! (I’ve been following The Behaviour Panel for some time)
He makes a whole lot of sense.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention, it’s definitely an eye opener.
It’s always the covert elite !!!!!!
After reading TS & Bubbles’ comments about this video from Chase Hughes, I decided to watch it too. My mind is blown right now! Thank you, Jordy for bringing this to our attention.
Mr. Tudor,
I agree with TS. If you have time, I would love to hear your thoughts on this too.
TS,
It did feel like the fringe was the majority for me as well. This video was quite an eye opener.
Hi Leigh,
HG did touch on the social media aspect in his Empathy Deficit video. Attached below just in case you missed it. Hughes concentrates on media manipulation in his video, HG more on the Empathy Deficit which for me, is why the social media manipulation gains traction.
Commenters here on the blog saw much of the same material as everyone else. We didn’t react with hate, or suggest who should be next based on our personal political leanings. We didn’t do that because our empathy levels are higher. We aren’t immune, we still will be subject to empathy diminution via external stressors but our starting empathy level is higher. That would have to be heavily eroded before we would jump on the political violence bandwagon.
I think this is a perfect storm. Manipulation via social media combined with erosion of empathy in society for all of the reasons HG states in this video.
https://youtu.be/Unf-0WrzjaI?si=YwJGX_PcEHkQhBAZ
There was a survey published in the Daily Mail this morning detailing opinions on political violence broken down by age group and political affiliation. It’s worth remembering also that the Daily Mail is a right leaning publication. Data can be cut in a variety of ways depending on the story you want to tell, but if nothing else it illustrates a concerning trend particularly amongst younger people.
Social media manipulation is worrying across the board. HG discussed it in his interview with Neil Sanders from Some Might Call it Conspiracy.
https://youtu.be/Unf-0WrzjaI?si=YwJGX_PcEHkQhBAZ
If you Google the role played by Cambridge Analytica in Brexit and Trump’s first election, that is worrying also in terms of electoral manipulation via social media. There’s a very interesting film about how all this was done called The Great Hack. Well worth watching.
Honestly, I blame the rise in technology and the powers that control social media for a lot of what we are seeing in society now. Again though, that wouldn’t gain traction without a societal empathy deficit. Given that we are hurtling towards an era of AI dominance, I think we are entering into very worrying times.
We know from experience that if we don’t know we are being manipulated then we can’t push back. I think this is what is happening currently, just on a far greater scale. What we have learned here from HG is immensely valuable but only if we use it to educate our own young people, only if we talk about and communicate it to others. In this way, perhaps we can begin to turn the tide.
( Hope still alive and kicking.) xx
Hi TS,
I agree! Social media manipulation and an empathy deficit has created a perfect storm.
Interestingly, I listened to that MK Ultra video last Sunday. I was blown away! After listening to that video and the Chase Hughes video, I feel like I live under a rock! I had no idea any of these things were going on.
You’ve given me some homework, which I like because I’m always eager to learn. I’m going to check out that Daily Mail survey and I’ll Google what you suggested.
“We know from experience that if we don’t know we are being manipulated then we can’t push back.” That’s so true.
Now I’m reconsidering Bubbles question about whose doing the manipulating.
Hi Leigh,
Very valid question. I’m not sure we would ever really know. It would be easier to spot around election time, but outside of that I could probably be given a name and it wouldn’t mean anything to me.
Different asshole different day. There we are!
The fact that people take their news in little bite sizes and don’t read around the story from different new outlets is a real problem I think. My kids are a nightmare for that. One source, must be true. I keep hammering that home with them. Where did you read that? What’s the agenda? Motivation? My daughter no longer believes all the things she sees on Tik Tok. Little steps!
If you do watch the Great Hack on Netflix, don’t forget to play spot the narc!
Xx
TS,
Different asshole different day! That sums it up very nicely, lol!
I agree that how we take in the news really plays a part in our understanding. I try to read and watch different sources so I get a fuller picture. I’ve been explaining that to my children as well. They get most of their info from watching tidbits on TikTok as well.
I looked at the survey from the Daily Mail. It was scary to see how many people are ok with political violence. I loved what Chase Hughes said in that video. I’m going to paraphrase him but it was something along the lines that once it becomes violent it no longer works.
The Great Hack in definitely on my list to watch and I’ll definitely be looking for the narc.
Hi Leigh
Yes, it is quite scary to see the impact and how deeply divided people are. It’s as though black and white thinking has infiltrated the majority perspective. With me or against me, no room for grey areas or middle ground. Very difficult to unite from there. Sadly I think it would take a third. A common enemy to cause both sides to unite.
Thick Tok as HG calls it. Drives me nuts. The latest in our house is an app that my daughter uses that allegedly scores cosmetic products. Any time I suggest a moisturiser, cleanser, foundation etc, out comes that little app. “ No. That’s really really bad.”
I’m obviously immortal. Judging by that app and the scores on all my very carefully selected skincare products, I should already be dead from toxic poisoning.
Still here!
Bwahahaha!
Hi TS,
“A common enemy to cause both sides to unite.” That’s interesting to consider. I could think of a couple of common enemies. Maybe.
LOL, Thick Tok. That always makes me giggle when I hear Mr. Tudor say that.
Over the summer, I kept seeing videos about the toxic chemicals in SPF lotions. I almost fell for it. I bounce back and forth from gullible and cynical, lol.
One might have thought that a convicted criminal who is actively protecting potential pedophiles and sex abusers would make a good common enemy. Turns out, a large part of the population is willing to support him. Where is a common enemy to come from if so-called decent people are content to look the other way as long as the bad guy is on their side of the aisle?
Hi Leigh,
Yes, it’s HG’s enunciation that tickles me. “ ThiCK ToK” Haha!
Hi Anna,
I’m afraid the common enemy I had in mind was a formidable enemy in war. People are so divided that sadly I feel it would take a very extreme event to unite them and to remind them of their core shared values. I might be pessimistic in my thinking, I hope I am.
Hi TS,
A formidable enemy in war is how I understood your comment. That’s a scary thought though.
“Turns out, a large part of the population is willing to support him. Where is a common enemy to come from if so-called decent people are content to look the other way as long as the bad guy is on their side of the aisle?”
I’ve noticed that many people (maybe all?) will make the mental and emotional adjustments necessary (ignoring, justifying, reframing) to continue aligning with a person who is giving them something they very much want.
Very true, annamel.
At least they think he is giving them what they want. In reality the only ones who are benefitting at all are billionaires and the Trump family. A simple look at the numbers would tell them they are falling for a fraudster who is emptying the country’s coffers while starkly underperforming, or rather non-performing, on practically everything he promised.
Leigh,
I know, it’s a very scary thought. I see there was another mass shooting at a church in Michigan. For me, there’s real hatred between the two sides. Once that embeds itself I honestly don’t know how a country pulls back from that.
TS,
The shooting at the Mormon church in Michigan is so upsetting. Something has to be done. The pointing fingers, the name calling. It has to end. It feeds the mentally ill and then they take things into their own hands.
I agree 100%! There is a real hatred between the two sides and neither wants to waver. We have to figure out a way to sit down and talk and figure out how to stop this nonsense.
Hi Leigh,
“No one wants to waver.” I agree. If I look at a country more like a business I’d have to say that any culture of cooperation is driven from the top.
We do always seem to come full circle. Narcs running a country will be divisive irrespective of right or left. It the population is easier to control through being divided, that is what will be done. It’s the holding on to power that is the driver, never the well-being of the population.
I think there are cultural differences in play too though. Over here there seems to be less hatred between those who vote right or left. I’d say there is a political malaise more than anything else. We’re almost united in the view that Boris was bent, Starmer is crap and there doesn’t seem to be any party worth voting for. We seem to unite in our disdain for the entirety of the political establishment! That might be on the cusp of changing though.
Hi TS,
“The culture of cooperation is driven from the top.” – Isn’t that the truth in a nutshell!
Its interesting, TS. That’s how it started here as well. There was a political malaise. We didn’t trust politicians on either side. We were united in our disdain as well. Enter Trump and his promise to drain the swamp. Which to be honest, many liked that idea. But many on the left see him as the enemy and I know he doesn’t do himself any favors and contributes to the chaos.
I don’t know the answer TS. I like Alexis’ idea of setting of an empathogen bomb, lol!
Hi Leigh,
I hadn’t seen Alexis’s empathogen bomb suggestion. Sounds like Alexis haha!
I must admit I don’t always read all comments on all threads, particularly if I’m on a few threads at the same time. I comment and then do my best to answer anyone who responds to me, but I don’t read all of the comments on every thread I’m active on.
Hopefully I haven’t missed any replies to me. WordPress seems to be behaving itself at the moment so that helps!
Hi TS,
Alexis didn’t address anyone particular in the comment but she dropped it in a thread that I was on so that’s why I saw it.
I’m still missing notifications when I’m in wordpress but at least I’m getting emails. That’s how I saw Alexis’ comment.
https://narcsite.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-now-watch-the-narcissists/#comment-463950
Truthseeker,
There are also YouTube creators, several with followers in the millions whom I have seen calling out the bad behavior…of the individuals cheering Kirk’s death. Whether they are narcs, normals, empaths, narcissistic, I don’t know… At least one has consistently called out all political violence and calls for political violence.
Hi Dani,
I agree, there are still decent people calling these behaviours out. All is not yet lost. Perhaps some people will regret posting what they have on social media. Perhaps they will only regret it when they get rejected for a job or promotion when their social media history comes back to haunt them. There was a student at Oxford university who debated Charlie Kirk and was gloating about his demise. Oxford University was very quick to hang him out to dry.
Truthseeker,
There will be consequences… But will those consequences help the non narcissists behaving as they are? Will they understand why they were wrong? Will they refrain from similar comments in the future? Will they blame others and cry about “cancel culture” instead of looking inward and asking a more difficult question?
Hi Dani,
I think that normal people certainly have the potential to introspect and recognise that what they did was wrong, particularly if they were swept up in the moment where these kinds of posts were normalised. It’s possible.
My opinion though is that it isn’t the consequences such as job losses or failed future promotions that would bring about that realisation and subsequent remorse. In many ways that might cause them to entrench in the behaviour or attempt to justify it rather than review and amend. (It would make me feel a lot better personally to deny a promotion based on some of the posts we have witnessed over recent days, that’s for me though, not them.)
It’s a bit like being caught speeding. Fine me, cause my insurance to go up and that is unlikely to cause me to see the error of my ways. Send me on a speed awareness course, show me the potential impacts of my speeding and I’m far more likely to change my behaviour.
If I think about the policing of online hate speech, re-education might actually be far more productive as a method of reducing it rather than hauling people into a police station or reporting them to their employer.
As disheartened as I have been over recent days, I still believe in free speech. But just as someone has the right to speak freely, I also have the right to form an opinion of them, and if I worked in recruitment or if I was dating someone who made these videos I have the right to make my moves accordingly.
That said, I thought HG’s Venom and Retribution video was brilliant. It really tickled my justice trait, I felt a lot better after watching that! Microsoft guy made my skin crawl, what a complete hypocrite!
All hope isn’t lost, TS! I did feel the same as you though. It made me incredibly sad to hear some of the things that were being said about Kirk.
I’ve had conversations with both my children, who are young adults, and they’re both outraged as well. They find it disgusting. That gives me hope. There’s still some people out there with common decency.
Unfortunately, the ones that are celebrating his murder are the ones that are loudest right now.
Hi Leigh,
I had a conversation with my two also, similar thing, not outraged but shocked at what they were getting on their feeds. My son was the first to tell me what had happened.
Hope. Yes, she and I are in debate currently!
Well, hope is a false mistress.
Only allegedly 😉
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And if one green bottle should accidentally fall,
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