Erika Kirk : The Interview
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I Think Erika Kirk Is the The High Priestess Of Occult
No doubt.
I Think Erika Kirk “eating Babies
I Think Erika Kirk Practiced Witchcraft
I Think Charlie Kirk was definitely having a An Affair with Hannah Brusven
I Think Erika Kirk Is A “child of Lilith
I Think Erika Kirk had links with Jeffrey Epstein
I Think Erika Kirk Is the Queen of child sex trafficking
I Think Erika Kirk Is on the same level as Maxine Sanders, Carlton Gebbia, Marina Abramović, Lotta Volkova, Michele Lamy, Meghan Markle, Amber Heard, Melania Trump, Hailey Bieber, Belle Gibson, Elizabeth Holmes, Anna Sorokin, Rebekah Neumann, Virginia Thomas, Chrissy Teigen, Ghislaine Maxwell, Patrizia Reggiani, Leona Helmsley,Ann Woodward, Eva Braun, Elena Ceausescu, Eva Perón, Magda Goebbels, Rachele Mussolini, Madame Nhu, Jeannette Kagame, Cilia Flores, Asma al-Assad, Ri Sol Ju, Grace Mugabe, Carmen Polo, Asma al-Assad, Jiang Qing, Kay Amin,
I Think Charlie Kirk was A “child of Lilith
I Think Erika Kirk Is a Members of the Anton LaVey Church
In your analysis yesterday of touchy-feely Erika, her cherry picker ran in all directions, frankly. Fuel overload? There is a half-cracked smile, grin, laugh (at herself – power!), the dipping at the absent tear (lazy), the icy stare and threat at once, a good example of a facade gone wrong, eh? The hugs went too far, but so does Emmanuel Macron – a Greater. Weird. Who are they targeting with that lame display? The soft-boiled spaghetti?
She’s obviously a Somatic. Elite? I’m not familiar with her inner world, but to climb the ladder to where she ended up, and to impress Charlie Kirk, there has to be an Elite in her. Upper, I think yes. Lesser or Mid-Range is the question. She is not a wrecking ball a la Tate and Lively, as far as I’ve seen, but she is as clever as Trump, also composed and selective in her message, messing up her (blueberry) kids just as Jada kind of messed up hers.
Dear Mr Tudor,
I can hear the “crickets” getting louder at night, surrounding the absence of Charlie Kirk’s parents!
Wasn’t Charlie about to expose Jeffrey Epstein and audit his company ?
FoxNews Charlie Kirk Legacy Award, I see Erika has taken lessons from TOW with the one eye crocodile tear on cue.
Anyhoo, I’m off to give my floof ball some blueberries haha
Well done Mr Tudor, you’re a legend as always
What’s floof balling blueberries ..? 🫐 oh I got it. Lol bubbles 🤣
Dearest Jade,
You’re toooooo cute 🥰
I could’ve called him a fur baby, however, I like to be a tad different. Mr Bubbles and everyone I know would wholeheartedly agree …l’m different 🤣
In actual fact, he doesn’t even like blueberries ….the floof ball that is, not Mr Bubbles 🤣
Hehe bubbles, I thought you were going to kick some blueberries 😆🫐 got it! 👌I often call my cat a little floof too 🐾
Dear Jade,
It did sound like it, using the word ball haha
My little grand floof is a pooch, (I look after him a lot) having grown up with kitty cats, I can definitely differentiate characteristic traits between the two haha
We are the masters of dogs and cats are the masters of us haha
I would trust a dog over any human any day !
Ain’t that the truth bubbles!! 🐾😄
Dearest Bubbles:
For me, a young man was murdered. His children lost their father. It ended there.
Dear Contagious,
Ordinarily, it would’ve have, however, circumstances and narcissism have prevailed which need further investigating.
Most of us would agree, something’s off and not quite right.
I do feel for the kids, her, not so much. My female intuition has been working overtime since being here haha
Dearest Bubbles,
I agree. In fact, knowing that Erika is a narcissist, I feel for the children even more now.
Hello Bubbles:
To be honest, I really don’t know them so I am always saddened when a young person is murdered. Especially when there are children involved. I have no say about it beyond that….I know you are kind and have a good intuition!
Dearest Contagious,
In the clip where Erika’s hand touches JD Vance’s hair, as she’s introducing him by name, her expression is almost “orgasmic”, when she says his “wife’s” name, her facial expression turns negative instantly.
Her suggestive behaviour is questionable ! 🤨
Hahaha all my life I’ve been gullible, naive and doubted my intuition, dismissing and second guessing my true thoughts, thinking people I know can’t be that bad surely. How wrong was I ? Since being here, all Mr Bubbles hears from me is “I knew it, I’m right again” (Acquisition of narcissistic traits) 🤣
Thanks for posting this, HG, so we could comment on the blog in reference to it.
I note that in this interview Erika triangulated, again, with her apparent viewing of Charlie’s body. She said when she saw his body, he had a “smirk” on his face:
“That smirk, to me, is that look of you thought you could stop what I’ve built. You thought that you could end this vision, this movement, this revival. You thought you could do that by murdering me. You got my body; you didn’t get my soul.”
https://youtube.com/shorts/TVeKMcnynw4?si=qdLey2GSTSxwuWck
She did this previously in an earlier statement – only at that time she likened it to a Mona Lisa-like smile, suggesting happiness:
“His eyes were semi-open, and he had this knowing, Mona Lisa-like half-smile. Like he’d died happy,” she said of her husband.”
“Like Jesus rescued him. The bullet came, he blinked, and he was in heaven.”
https://www.the-sun.com/news/15225812/erika-kirk-necklace-charlie-funeral-stadium-arizona-shooting/
So, which is it Erika? A self-satisfied smirk or a peaceful Mona Lisa smile?
I had made note of the “Mona Lisa half-smile”, before HG classified her as a narcissist, because it reminded me of the same way my narc mother had triangulated with the death of her sister (my favourite aunt.) My mother saw her sister in the hospital bed, just after she had passed. And when she would re-tell the moment to other people, she would idealize the moment, embellish the story and say that my aunt “looked like an Angel” laying there in the bed, after she had died.
I had been present, intermittently, when my aunt was in palliative care at the hospital. She was well-loved by everyone and family members took turns being present at the hospital – so, there was always someone there. I was there at the moment of her passing – in fact, I had not known what a “death rattle” was until after that and heard my aunt’s very last expelled breath. Believe me – although she was an angel of a person in life, she did not look like an ‘angel’ on her deathbed.
Thanks for pointing this out WC. I noticed the smirk comment was odd and as you said, she’d made a different contradictory comment earlier about the meaning. Mm..
Jade,
“she’d made a different contradictory comment earlier about the meaning.”
Yep. And I wonder how much mileage she will get out of that moment – and how many variations there will be…
Mm I agree WC. there’s a lot of female narcissists on the world stage atm. Good learning opportunities 🤔
Jade,
“there’s a lot of female narcissists on the world stage atm”
So true. Move over TOW..!
Hi WC,
Thank you for sharing this. My brother died in the hospital. After 3 weeks and him going into cardiac arrest and having to be revived, I made the painful decision to turn off the machines. My narc daughter wanted to accompany me on that day. I told her no. After reading your comment here, I know I made the right choice.
I was there when he took his last breath but I had a different experience than you. I got an overwhelming feeling of peace and it was because he was finally at peace.
Good call Leigh.
Hi Jade,
Yes, I knew my daughter would somehow make it about her or cause some sort of chaos and I didn’t want that to happen.
My brother had a tortured life. He was mentally disabled and lived with my mother for far too long. He was her scapegoat and she was awful to him. I should clarify that he wasn’t tortured because he was disabled, it was because he was stuck with my mother. My mother eventually put him into a family residence and it turned out to be the best thing for him.
My brother was quite a few years older than me and i’m certain he’s one of my interveners. An intervener is someone who shows you empathy as a child and helps to stop the narcissism from forming.
That’s why it was important to me that he left this world with grace.
Sorry I just found this Leigh. Beautifully written and a testament to your love for your brother. ❤️ I’m glad you arranged things in the right way for him and you. x
Thanks for what you wrote about interveners too.. I hadn’t heard of that term but actually was thinking today that I was probably one for my sister and possibly one brother. I remember the other brother being quite kind when we were younger but that changed. I’ve wondered about my part in that possibly but I was only a child, I know.
Myself and my husband have decided we won’t have funerals to stop family shenanigans for the other, if one of us goes first. My mum will be pissed off if she’s still around lol. She LOVES a funeral! 🥴
Leigh,
Thanks for sharing more about your brother – it’s good that you were there for him, in the end.
Leigh,
“I was left with the decision because my victim narc mother is a coward. She didn’t come to the hospital once and she didn’t come to the funeral either.”
That’s an interesting educational point. I guess not all narcs will seize upon someone’s death and make it about themselves, since your mother opted for withdrawal.
Good point WC and Leigh… Whatever gives them most control…
Jade & WC,
Me too, Jade! I don’t want a funeral either! Not because of my mom though. She wouldn’t come anyway. The whole concept of funerals creeps me out. I don’t want people looking at me when I’m dead. Now that I know about narcissism, I really don’t want it. I can see my narc ex bestie being dramatic and making it all about her.
Do you have any idea who your interveners might be? Do you have any family members or other outside influences that showed you empathy as a child?
Hi WC,
In general my mother uses withdrawal a lot. Her go to manipulation is neglect. She didn’t go to her parents or her sisters funerals either. She pretends its physically too hard for her. She’s full of shit.
Dearest. Leigh,
My deepest heartfelt condolences lovely. It was very brave of you to be there with your brother and from within, he would’ve felt your love, presence and kind soul. Death can be a blessing for some.
Take care sweet one
Leigh,
“I was there when he took his last breath but I had a different experience than you. I got an overwhelming feeling of peace and it was because he was finally at peace.”
I should clarify about my aunt’s passing. I can see that by describing her as *not* angelic on her deathbed – that might be taken as the environment, or her dying as not having been peaceful. My mother used the phrase “like an Angel” to idealize, triangulate and to create a beautific visual in the mind of the recipient who was listening to her story – when, in actuality, my aunt *did* look like who she was: someone who had been ill for a long time.
There were definitely moments of peace preceding that…or at least the effects of morphine. A few days towards the end of my aunt’s life – when my mother and I were both sitting with her, on opposite sides of the hospital bed – my aunt reached out and grasped for each one of our hands, drawing us closer to her. And then she said, “Where is everyone? When are they coming?”
We took that to mean, even in her delusion, that she was thinking of past family get togethers – which she loved and often hosted at her house…or even that she was asking when everyone would be there at the hospital…we took it to suggest that it may be very close to her time and she as waiting for people to come visit.
During another of our visits, my aunt was making small repetitive gestures or movements with her hands. These movements looked, at first glance, like someone knitting…when we asked her what she was doing, she whispered: “Sewing buttons…”
My aunt had been an excellent seamstress and was generally quite artsy and creative (this is one reason she and I got along very well). When she was alive, my aunt said she would often dream, at night, of finishing her many projects that she had underway…occasionally getting up in the wee hours of the morning to work on said projects – to put the dreams to rest. Since sewing buttons are often one of the finishing touches on a garment, we also viewed her imaginary button-sewing as a sign that her time was near.
That last day, when she passed, it was not that it was the opposite of peaceful – but it was more simply…relieving. Knowing my aunt had found relief after her struggles, knowing that her immediate family would have relief…
However, any sense of relief I was feeling was followed immediately by a sense of duty – and a feeling of being resigned to the task of telling my younger cousins (and my uncle) that their mother/wife was gone. They weren’t at the hospital; it was their ‘day off’. My late aunt’s two sisters (my mother being one), and myself, were present that day. Neither my mother, nor my other aunt were in a state to relay such information in a calm manner. (My mother was too absorbed in her own loss and self-pity.) But someone had to tell the family, so I did that task.
Leigh – Thanks for sharing about your brother. I am sorry you experienced that. I don’t envy you the task you had: having to be involved in the decision-making in the moment, for your brother. I can imagine the difficulty of that. But I am glad it brought peace in the end. 🤍
And I agree with Jade; you made the right choice about not having your narc daughter present.
HI WC,
I’m sorry you were left with the task of informing your Aunt’s children and spouse. I can see how the relief you felt quickly dissipated. The way you describe your Aunt sounds lovely. Its admirable that she could count on you in her final moments. You were there when she needed it.
Relief is an appropriate word for how I felt as well. I was relieved that he was finally at peace. My brother was disabled so he was never married and had no children. It was only my mom, myself and my other brother. I was left with the decision because my victim narc mother is a coward. She didn’t come to the hospital once and she didn’t come to the funeral either. My other brother wasn’t around either.
I did struggled with making the decision at first. But then he went into cardiac arrest and they had to resuscitate him. That’s when I knew it was his time. I signed the DNR order and made the decision to turn off the machines. I’m glad it was me who made the decision though because I knew it was made out of love.
Oh Leigh ❤️ that’s absolutely a decision made out of love. I’m crying over here. 🥹 Thank you for sharing. You’ve got to keep the narcissists at bay at times like this and you handled this with grace even when you didn’t have much support yourself. Your brother would be proud, I’m sure.
Thank you for sharing WC. Your aunt sounded lovely and I love that she was still sewing till the end!🧵like Leigh, good job on stepping up to help your family at such a difficult time ❤️
Jade – 💜
Sorry for your loss Leigh, hugs
I’m so grateful for this analysis and example!
Her disconnect, I think, is something most people would never even recognise as such. Her triangulation with a religious being and the prophetic understanding of divine will – because non-narcissists sometimes adopt similar behaviour – would go unquestioned.
“The Lord knew that I needed a man that was going to be so assertive.”
Right, because the Lord has nothing better to do than single you out, elevate you, and give you that awesome man, while He gives everyone else the scumbags, because He “knows” that’s what they need – sinners.
The typical logic of a “chosen one”: whenever something good happens to them, it’s because the Lord singled them out and loves them; and whenever something bad happens, it’s of course Satan.
And then it follows: Lord is so weak that He needs mortal assistance to fight Satan, who is dressed up as other mortals.
Make it make sense.
If Bible characters had IPhones.
https://youtu.be/nt5k_tO6768?si=QBsRq4f1VxVWpYux
Dear Jordyguin,
That was funny, thank you
You are most welcome, dear Bubbles!
I agree with Bubbles.
That was hilarious, Jordyguin.
Jordy:
A song for you: https://youtu.be/f1EfQxqSzz8
lol weak?
Erika Kirk’s repeated emphasis on religion and God, and her claims about ‘knowing’ that Charlie is with Jesus doing God’s work, etc, is irritating.
To me, that aspect of her behaviour comes across as extremely manipulative. She is gaslighting the interviewer and the audience by pretending to be a holier-than-thou ‘spokesperson’ with apparent direct access to Jesus himself. I find it pathetic and aggravating. As HG says, it’s triangulation.
I don’t believe she is truly religious or lives her life according to Christian values. She uses religion to grift and gaslight.
When it comes to religion and having ‘faith’ in a God (whatever ‘God’ that may be), I remember what someone once said to me that has stuck with me.
Years ago, I travelled to Portugal for a holiday. During the trip, I visited the Sanctuary of Fatima, a large site in the city of Fatima that features a group of Catholic Church chapels, shrines and religious buildings. The site marks the spot where three children reported seeing apparitions of the Virgin Mary several times back in 1916 and 1917.
Nowadays the Sanctuary of Fatima attracts millions of Catholic Church ‘pilgrims’ and tourists each year. It’s a very interesting place to visit. The atmosphere – emanating from hundreds of people, many of whom are quiet and solemn, or lighting candles, or observing a mass etc – has a peaceful and poignant kind of feeling.
When travelling there, I was with a group on a tour bus. Our tour guide explained the history behind the Sanctuary and also explained that many visitors have a very deep religious faith. There are some who believe – as one of the children who witnessed the apparitions also believed – in penance and sacrifice. While there, I saw some visitors who got down on their knees and ‘walked’ on their knees across the huge stone-terraced central square. These visitors felt the need to suffer as part of their faith.
The tour guide, who was not religious and was actually sceptical, shared an anecdote about her family. She said that her grandmother was devoutly religious. One time, the tour guide was talking about her grandmother to her mother. She said something disparaging about her grandmother being such a strong ‘believer.’
The tour guide’s mother admonished her for being critical of her grandmother’s faith. She told her daughter that a person who has a deep religious belief regards their ‘faith’ as a kind of spiritual coping mechanism. Their faith is a belief system ingrained in their consciousness. To question or try to debunk their faith is to damage the way they cope and live in the world. Therefore, one must have respect and tolerance for the sincere faith and belief of others even if this runs counter to your own scepticism.
I remember this anecdote in relation to spiritual beliefs. It makes me think that there are ‘real’ spiritual beliefs and there are also religious ‘actions’ that are done for other reasons.
This is why I think it’s a sinister and reprehensible thing to manipulate and gaslight people in relation to their religious faith.
As with narcissism in general, if you give the narcissist enough rope and observe their behaviours over time, it becomes apparent when someone keeps talking about being Christian and a ‘believer,’ yet their actions show otherwise.
Thinking more deeply, I guess I did see a lot of this when I was hanging out with the evangelicals/non-denominationals. I didn’t see it before, but now I’m wondering if the personal Jesus aspect of that strain of Protestantism helps to mask narcissists. And/or create them?
In contrast to when I was Orthodox–where there were layers upon layers of meditation between you and the Almighty–in Protestant churches we believed that the God of the universe was so concerned with us that he would always take our calls; his son was kind of at our disposal. “Jesus, take the wheel.” (I rode in a car that was driven by a woman who truly believed that. Terrifying.) It wasn’t unusual for people to claim/believe Jesus was their best friend. We had songs about it.
Not that Orthodoxy with all its political hierarchy and power and control didn’t attract narcissists as well, but Protestant churches were (to me) more of an out of control environment overall. Every church could be its own island. There was no liturgy, and everyone interpreted the bible for himself/herself. It was normal to believe that unseen forces thought YOU were important all on your own, less so because you were part of humanity in general. And in Orthodoxy there was no guarantee of salvation and no evangelism. You and God were not pals, so when someone died we had to pray for their souls with a special ritual 40 days after death. I think in the laity that promoted less of a narcisstic mindset, though one still encountered it. But if you believe that because you’ve said the magic words that (no matter what you do) you and yours have a guaranteed spot in heaven, it creates certain conditions I suppose.
I don’t know. I’ll have to screw up some courage to dive more into the videos. This is a bit painful.
Hi Allison,
I lived in TN for a while. I was shocked by the size of the churches. There was a Baptist church in Hendersonville that Johnny Cash used to go to. On Sundays police used to direct traffic outside it just so worshippers could get out of the parking lot. Several churches in the area required similar traffic management outside them. I had never seen anything like that before.
One of the first questions people used to ask me was which church did I attend. The stifled look of shock when I said that I didn’t go to church surprised me at first, as did the fact that this was a question regularly asked upon first meeting me. Perhaps it was because I am English. Perhaps the question was linked more often to social politics.
I did actually consider joining a church, not for me, more for my two children. I didn’t want them to be ostracised in any way. I decided against it, they were very young at the time and I didn’t want them indoctrinated in any way either. I spoke about faith at home though, so they had an understanding therefore a choice to ask to go or not. They elected not to. My daughter now has a faith of sorts. My son is agnostic.
It’s the concept of churches as organisations I don’t like, not the faith part. I think you can still have faith, live in a way that is largely based on religious principles, without being formerly religious. I don’t think it’s about necessarily getting your ticket stamped every Sunday to prove your merit. If you take comfort from attending church, different thing, but if not, I think it’s often people that get in the way of faith or a connectedness to something greater than ourselves. Narcissists obviously just use religion as a tool to get to the Prime Aims, but I think people in general, even those who are well intentioned, can still get in the way of what really should be a personal connection.
Why do you find these videos painful?
Hi, TS–
“Why do you find these videos painful?”
Right now I’m having trouble watching anything to do with Charlie or topics adjacent to him. Things on campus have been really tense since Trump was re-elected and too many of my colleagues are in favor of violent actions against speech, or won’t disavow them.
Trying to view the material , I get reminded of how all these good, well-educated people are only too willing to see you dead if you say or think something they don’t like. I’m generally hated in my department for trying to debate people in good faith.
When I try to watch the videos I get reminded about his murder and the way my peers and professors see people who have the “wrong” opinions. Even though the material is for a different purpose, it’s hard for me to watch them and not make those linkages. The issue is within me.
I’m still very shaken. Political assassination is getting a bit too popular around here. And he was at my university just last year.
No matter the personal character of Kirk, his wife, etc. I’m just a bit rattled seeing their images or having them come to mind. It’s definitely material that is essential, and I support and appreciate it. But there’s that uncomfortable reality as to why all things Charlie are trending. I’ll come around. It just hurts right now.
Hi Allison,
I was wholly disgusted and dismayed by Kirk’s assassination and the public reaction to it. Now I think I’m just disillusioned by the state of the world in general.
I think it’s probably easier for me to unhook from it than it is for you.
I suspect you are surrounded by staunch far left supporters but quite honestly it’s not the politics that bothers me most, it’s the attitudes of those whose objective is to stifle debate.
I truly believe that when debate dies and people refuse to listen to or worse, silence opposing views then this gives rise to political extremism. Which group of people sees opposing views as a threat to their control? Which group must act to remove the threat to control either directly or indirectly? Which groups would covertly consider political violence as being an acceptable means of asserting control?
We know that narcissists and psychopaths are over represented in certain sectors. Academia is one, as is politics. It’s highly likely that you are met with disapproval because you are in an environment where blocking reasonable debate is less about political leaning and more about narcissism and psychopathy alive and kicking amongst your colleagues. Political leaning is just the distraction whilst narcissism is the true driver.
If this is the case, trying to debate will only cause you to become more frustrated and more ostracised. It’s a battle you likely can’t win within that specific environment.
We know we’ll never get anywhere debating with a narcissist. You will have more success outside of that environment debating your views with reasonable people and people who have not yet drunk the extremist Cool Aid syphoned into them via media targeting. Cambridge Analytica called these people ‘the persuadables’ those who are more open to ideas who were not already wedded to one political view or the other.
I think Cambridge Analytica were correct in their thinking but corrupt in their operation. If there is to be change in society I think it will likely spring from this persuadable group because there is a higher likelihood of this group being willing to debate and actually consider all sides of the argument.
People need to realise that they have nothing in common with the narcissists and psychopaths at the top of political, economic, media and academic organisations. They are in it for themselves, no one else, interested only in keeping their hands on the reigns of power and screw everyone else. Right, left it’s largely irrelevant in my view. It’s the narcissism that forces the all or nothing / black and white approach to contentious issues.
I honestly don’t know what the answer is, how to fix things and bring people together, but I do recognise the problem at least. Political ideologies are not the issue, they’ve been around for generations and the world didn’t look like it does today.
People didn’t view the opposite side as their mortal enemy like they do now. That’s close to mass objectification, where the opposite side is viewed almost as sub human. To me, that’s the effect of narcissism and psychopathy running rife and unchecked through society.
I think in terms of voting, in many ways we are at the point where we have to think less about political party and more about which candidate is least likely to be a narcissist. If everyone voted ‘non narc’ then debate and middle ground might eventually become more of a possibility.
Probably naive but it’s the best I’ve got for now. Fight the battles you can win Allison, you’ll become very disillusioned otherwise. If you want to debate, I think I would be selective and try to debate with those who at least have the capacity to consider views that are different to their own. Less frustrating, higher chance of being heard.
I’m going to end up voting for the Monster Raving Looney party at this rate. Recording my religion as Jedi Knight on the next census, haha!
Xx
Dearest Allison,
I’m so saddened you are going thru this. Your colleagues are the epitome of hypocrisy!
I would so disengage and refuse to discuss said topics for my own piece of mind, especially in a work environment. Just excuse yourself and say “sorry, I have work to do” or “can we please talk about postive happy things?” in a jovial way. People are always stunned by that one haha
In my day (haha), I would go to work, do my job, get paid. I very rarely shared my personal life and only attended social functions for one drink only then left. The more you share, the more they use it as ammunition against you (narcs playbook) A good way is to ease in and so it’s not so noticeable, start by talking 10% less and just nod. Become a listener not a talker.
Unfortunately, we empaths feel it more than others.
Give it your best and see how you go
Good luck lovely 🥰
Hi, TS–
I appreciate your (as always), clear, balanced, and informative take. You are far from naive and understand the predicament accurately.
I’m fortunate in that the people actually paying my research fellowship aren’t the monster raving loonies within my department. The university chancellor wants me here for whatever reason. I think there’s a bit of extra flack from my peers because I don’t have to teach. I didn’t tell anyone about the fellowship, but they’ve mentioned it to me and asked questions, so likely one of the profs brought it up. It does help, though, that I hold the card that somebody more powerful than them sponsors my efforts. I have to tamp down my emotional desire to be a real colleague, view my classmates more as objects and not as friends or collaborators, and keep it moving.
You’re right regarding debating any of them. Everyone is very invested in the status quo, even when it comes to methods. And they’re all afraid of numbers and computers. They’ve also only ever been in the world of academia; nearly no one has worked outside it. The ones who did only did so tangentially. It makes sense they cling to it all so dearly and want to keep doing the same things.
But, I don’t think they understand the level of social scrutiny universities are under now. People with real power are starting to ask what they’re getting for all the money they’ve spent. As my folks won’t talk to people they see as rubes, they’ve no idea what people at the legislative levels, the Board of Regents, or in business generally are thinking. From their jokes and jibes, jobs are beneath them and research is for activism, not seeking what is actually the case.
It also makes sense they push away somebody who’s slung steel for a living but also enjoys managing art museum collections and databases. Not that I’m special, but my resume is viewed as weird and suspect. I get lots of negative comments and reactions thrown my way if I use an example from something I’ve done to illustrate an idea. I think a lot about it and I really don’t think I’m being out of line. I really try to choose the right words and tone. I just want to be accepted and to offer something useful.
I figure we’re here to strengthen each other, steel sharpening steel and so forth. I wish I could let my guard down and just discuss ideas and methods, but I have to remember I’m not among friends in my department. It’s like politics. Fortunately I have a dog.
Thanks for reminding me about how academia attracts narcissists and psychopaths. I think even if someone doesn’t fit the diagnosis that there’s something narcissistic and psychopathic about the structure itself.
In this cauldron I’m thinking more often in terms of the likelihood that I’m dealing with a narcissist or with narcissistic traits when I interact. Typically I don’t wait for several red flags anymore as I’m generally keeping everyone at bay unless I require them for the longer term. I used to feel bad about that until I realized that thinking someone is a narcissist or psychpath isn’t the worst thing I could think about them.
Keep sharpening those Jedi Knight mind tricks. You’re a great witness for the faith. Also, I see the Monster Raving Loony party has some promising contenders so you’re good there. In the next census I’m listing Discordian.
“These visitors felt the need to suffer as part of their faith.” — Sickening and pointless behaviour.
“She told her daughter that a person who has a deep religious belief regards their ‘faith’ as a kind of spiritual coping mechanism.” — In reality, it’s an excuse not to grow up.
See the coping mechanism for what it is: a futile desire for a parental figure to solve all their problems – magically made in heaven, because if they pray hard enough (talking to themselves, basically), an outside figure will listen and intervene. Daddy and Mommy will step in, of course.
“Their faith is a belief system ingrained in their consciousness. To question or try to debunk their faith is to damage the way they cope and live in the world.”
Correct – “don’t you dare shatter my own chains; I’ve learned to feel so comfy in them. It’s my belief, respect it. It’s holy.”
“Therefore, one must have respect and tolerance for the sincere faith and belief of others even if this runs counter to your own scepticism.”
Have respect for an adult who insists on being treated as a child? An adult who treats themselves as a child and has built a belief system around the idea of “suffering as part of their faith”?
Who on earth would engage in such “respect”? Only lickspittles and manipulators who see the usefulness of such a mentality, advantageous to serve their prime aims.
Hi Jordyguin,
When I wrote my comment, the thoughts I had, or the reason for writing it, was to say that religious belief or ‘faith’ is something that is personal to each individual. It should not be used as a way to manipulate or gaslight or induce guilt or unwarranted responsibility.
I agree with you when it comes to suffering. I think that is unnecessary and pointless too. I mentioned it because I saw it happen, not because I agree with it.
“In reality, it’s an excuse not to grow up.”
While I don’t follow any religious faith, I do believe in some passages and principles in the Bible. Is it wrong to pick and choose only some parts of the Bible to believe in? I’m not sure, but it is what it is.
I don’t see faith as being an excuse not to grow up. Rather, I see it as a way to practice a way of living that can provide inner peace and emotional support, especially during difficult life experiences. It doesn’t mean that a person still wants to be child-like or irresponsible, or that they expect someone else to solve all their problems. Rather, by having faith, it allows them to feel like they are not alone or lost or abandoned in the world, especially if they find themselves in harsh or difficult circumstances. It is a way to hold on to hope and optimism.
I find that you are describing religious beliefs and faith in a very harsh and punitive way in your comment, Jordyguin. If that is how you see it, that’s up to you. They are your perspectives.
While I personally do not believe in being devoutly religious, I can see that some people do have faith and have grown up that way and been taught that it’s a positive and valid way to live.
Defending the chains, WN, defending the chains…
Let’s clarify: religious organisations were not established to help people cope with the “trauma” of being human.
Look at the evidence, how it begins and how it ends. Humans start as sinners and remain sinners, while Jesus had to die for “your” sins because “you’re” supposedly incapable of growing up on your own. Daddy has to solve it for “you.”
Even as grown-ups, believers still need a Father in Heaven to “support” them, a Father who, paradoxically, must rely on mortal agents to write down for “you” what is right or wrong.
Religious people are extremely easy to ensnare, as the evidence proves. Religion makes people easier to ensnare because it demands trust and surrender, as a grown-up would from a child.
If people were truly in contact with something greater than themselves, why would they need religion to explain what would be self-evident?
Hi Jordyguin,
“Daddy has to solve it for “you.””
Where in my comments have I mentioned a “Daddy” or a “Father”?
In my comments, I repeatedly mentioned faith and belief. I also mentioned principles, practice, inner peace, emotional support, hope, and optimism.
I did not mention anything about: chains, or being a child, or being a grown-up, or making it all about myself. In fact, my comments are the exact opposite of making it all about myself.
I haven’t said anything about a “daddy.” I haven’t said anything about those who are religious wanting someone else to solve all their problems.
“Let’s clarify: religious organisations were not established to help people cope with the “trauma” of being human.”
What makes you, Jordyguin, the ultimate authority on why religious organisations were first established?
Why do you sound like you think ‘trauma’ is something that does not or should not exist?
Hey Jordy:
It’s ok you don’t like religion or specifically Christian religion. But why attack those who do? Who believe? Why is that necessary? What did Jesus say that you disagree with? Love others? Love your enemies as you love yourself? Love children? Bless and help the poor and sick? The idea that the meek shall inherit the Earth? And if big daddy wants to love us and accept us, what’s wrong with that? Some Christians say God is a woman… would that matter? I get that Jesus spoke of an ideal hard for many to reach. That any sin whether murder, adultery, etc… could be forgiven if you redeemed yourself and became loving. But the message was love. What’s wrong with forgiveness , acceptance and love, Jesus was the Prince of Peace. What’s wrong with peace? By the way, he was not alone. Many religions in their pure form are loving and preach love.
Hi Contagious,
“What’s wrong with peace?”
“Many religions in their pure form are loving and preach love.”
Great comment, Contagious. Your points are interesting to consider.
There are many religions that exist and have existed throughout time. Each culture on Earth has had or currently has some form of spiritual ‘religious’ beliefs or customs.
It’s one thing to ‘believe’ and ‘preach’ and another thing to ‘do.’ Words are one thing, while actions are another separate thing.
Love is a verb. It is an action rather than just a symbol to believe in.
As HG has said repeatedly, narcissists can’t love. They do not have empathy or conscience or remorse.
It follows then, that narcissists can preach and use words; they can pretend to believe in concepts like love and peace. But they can’t act to make these concepts a reality.
The acts of a narcissist are self-serving, done for fuel, control, character traits and residual benefits.
Contagious, hi. In case you’ve missed it, my response is here. I hope I’ve addressed the recent queries you asked about.
https://narcsite.com/2015/09/29/questioning-me/comment-page-25/#comment-466124
If I failed, sorry, love. Maybe next time I’ll find better words and explanations. I’m passionate about the topic, just not when it comes to patience. Hugs.
Actually, I cannot believe I’ve responded to you, WN. Thankfully, I then remembered HG’s answers, which brought it all back into perspective. Never again.
https://narcsite.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-now-watch-the-narcissists/#comment-463292
https://narcsite.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-now-watch-the-narcissists/#comment-463819
https://narcsite.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-now-watch-the-narcissists/#comment-463292
https://narcsite.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-now-watch-the-narcissists/#comment-463385
Hello again Jordyguin,
“Actually, I cannot believe I’ve responded to you, WN.”
It’s ironic that you have said this.
Before I responded to you, both here and in other places, I debated with myself about whether or not I should reply to you.
After some of your comments to date, either to me or about me, my immediate instinct was to ignore you and not reply. If we were speaking in ‘real-life’ this is what I would do. I would not have anything to do with you.
This is a huge problem for me in my life. I push people away and build a wall. I decide instinctively that it’s easier to have nothing to do with people than it is to be self-assertive, establish boundaries based on mutual respect, and continue to be socially proactive even when it feels like I’m being attacked.
In real life, I decide that it’s easier because it actually IS easier. It’s difficult to keep being ‘social’ when it feels like being ‘social’ is a battle.
Aside from our beliefs about religion, Jordyguin, it’s helpful for me to reply to you because it makes me continue to be social and to think carefully about what I say and how I respond to you.