KIND? EMPATHY? Hello? …. why not simply pick up the spider and put him somewhere safe? Put the spider in a planter? Someone could have easily thrown out the toilet paper and not seen Charlotte! Worse what if he was making her earn her freedom! No, no, no. Not good enough. If you are going to save an insect you must put it in safety. Giving it a possible helpful option is simply not enough. …… But then again…..maybe he doesn’t like to touch spiders, and he did his best. 😉
I like this Contagious. I get it. Often on the sidewalk I will move insects to the grass, the safety of a bush etc. But, i am not picking up a spider. If he doesn’t use the ladder I’ve given him, tp or a towel, well, that’s on him. 😄 Okay, so I have been known to use an empty tp roll to pick some up for transport… not the jumping ones though.
Hello A Victor: I don’t know why but I love spiders. California has brown recluses … wouldn’t touch that. My son brought home a tarantula from one of his nights sleeping outside in the marines. I really liked Floyd ( his name after the boxer) now rats…. Freak me out. Spiders could crawl all over me, not rats. … they are kind of cute but they carry diseases. I have lots of snails, always helping them. I feed the birds, the rabbits… just love nature. It is a shame people kill the mosquito hunters…. I love them a lot! Lol
Oh wow Contagious! A tarantula is the one indoor animal i told my kids no to when they asked! You are brave! I allowed my oldest to have a domestic rat, he was very sweet! I love nature also, not mosquitos though, I’m always happy to see the birds and bats that way them on duty!
The friend provided the ladder so the spider could make its way out through its own effort. Perhaps he is not a Carrier or Martyr, someone who would simply remove it and, in doing so, override its intent to remain in the house. If it was a choice, who knows.
He offered the means and trusted in the spider’s ability to use it. And he was right. There is something quite profound in that, both in empathy and in wisdom.
I would assume this reflects how he is with people as well. He provides the opportunity, the support, but the individual must choose to take it and make the effort to move themselves forward through their own capacity. Savior? Magnet?
Ahhh Jordy: it’s a spider! Not high on evolutions brain ability but I see your point! While you should never help someone who should help themselves… poor Charlotte. What’s a poor girl to do?
I think first of all, not to see Charlotte as poor or helpless. She got herself into a situation, she can get herself out, perhaps with a little help if her legs are too short. Or perhaps it was her conscious choice to end up there, in the arms of the Ultra. All possibilities can be considered.
And how would our interference affect her intent? What if it took all her strength to reach the bathtub, and then she is taken out against her will? We do not know, you see.
But in reality, if I do not want her there, I would take her out and bring her outside. I am like you. No time for a ladder, sorry 😁But for a man to build that ladder…and for HG to tell about that ladder… it does make my heart melt. Men are something else.
Hi Contagious,
I always worry about rehoming the little bugs & spiders I find in my home. I’m nervous that they’ll be separated from their friends and family and won’t know how to get back to their home. I know its ridiculous but I can’t help think about it. I always apologize to them when I move them outside.
Awee, that is beautiful, Leigh, absolutely adorable. Apologising to a bug for disrupting its little life in any way 🥹🥰 The shamans I was taught by explained that modern man’s ignorance and arrogance often lie in the assumption that all living beings, except humans, are beneath us and undeserving of respect. Apologising to a bug, a plant, a tree, or any other form of life when we disrupt or end it for our own benefit is a way of recognising the same life force flowing through them as it does through us. Their lives are just as valuable as ours, as they move by the same underlying force that carries us all, nowhere and everywhere at once, on this unique planet drifting through the vastness of nothingness✨💚🪲
I agree, Jordy. I do believe that all lives are as valuable as a human life. Its why I try to carefully consider the decision to move a little critter. Who am I to disrupt its life? Its usually because I don’t want them to go down the drain or get eaten by one of my cats.
Also Jordy…. how do you know for sure he did not squish the spider and leave the trash left over paper towels over the tub?
As a former prosecutor, they often refer to the empty cookie jar in closing argument with the crumbs as evidence. Where is the spider? Who had opportunity? Who had motive? And evidence was left at the scene of the crime.
Hi Leigh,
Most bugs i find inside go into my toilet or outside, depending on where i find them. I only allow spiders to stay because they eat the other bugs. In the winter i always feel bad throwing bugs out because i know they will freeze. I recently learned, from my vet, that teddy bear catapillars produce a kind of anti-freeze that keeps them alive during the winter, i leave them alone where i find them.
Me too, AV! I don’t want to put then outside in the winter either because I’m afraid they’ll freeze! If there’s snow outside, I really don’t want to do it. That’s good to know about caterpillars. I had no idea!
With my cats around, I don’t see that many bugs anymore. I have one cat that likes to kill the crickets in the basement and then leaves their legs there. I tell her she’s not very nice, lol!
The profound act of your cognitive empathy is to recognise and highlight the profound act of emotional empathy in your friend, creating the paper ladder for the spider.
It requires your kind of attention to detail to notice it and to point it out. It is kind of empathy about empathy. Not just feeling what someone feels, which is emotional empathy, but recognising and articulating that feeling in another, which is cognitive empathy reflecting on emotional empathy. Most people experience empathy, but far fewer step back to name it, highlight it, and make it visible to others. True depth comes not only from feeling, but from noticing, reflecting, and making the invisible visible.
“But no perfection is so absolute, that some impurity doth not pollute.” — You made me very happy🥰
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It was probably a Noble False Widow spider.
Heh heh heh.
KIND? EMPATHY? Hello? …. why not simply pick up the spider and put him somewhere safe? Put the spider in a planter? Someone could have easily thrown out the toilet paper and not seen Charlotte! Worse what if he was making her earn her freedom! No, no, no. Not good enough. If you are going to save an insect you must put it in safety. Giving it a possible helpful option is simply not enough. …… But then again…..maybe he doesn’t like to touch spiders, and he did his best. 😉
I like this Contagious. I get it. Often on the sidewalk I will move insects to the grass, the safety of a bush etc. But, i am not picking up a spider. If he doesn’t use the ladder I’ve given him, tp or a towel, well, that’s on him. 😄 Okay, so I have been known to use an empty tp roll to pick some up for transport… not the jumping ones though.
Hello A Victor: I don’t know why but I love spiders. California has brown recluses … wouldn’t touch that. My son brought home a tarantula from one of his nights sleeping outside in the marines. I really liked Floyd ( his name after the boxer) now rats…. Freak me out. Spiders could crawl all over me, not rats. … they are kind of cute but they carry diseases. I have lots of snails, always helping them. I feed the birds, the rabbits… just love nature. It is a shame people kill the mosquito hunters…. I love them a lot! Lol
Oh wow Contagious! A tarantula is the one indoor animal i told my kids no to when they asked! You are brave! I allowed my oldest to have a domestic rat, he was very sweet! I love nature also, not mosquitos though, I’m always happy to see the birds and bats that way them on duty!
A Victor- you are the brave one! Yikes a pet rat! Lol Floyd didn’t live long!
The friend provided the ladder so the spider could make its way out through its own effort. Perhaps he is not a Carrier or Martyr, someone who would simply remove it and, in doing so, override its intent to remain in the house. If it was a choice, who knows.
He offered the means and trusted in the spider’s ability to use it. And he was right. There is something quite profound in that, both in empathy and in wisdom.
I would assume this reflects how he is with people as well. He provides the opportunity, the support, but the individual must choose to take it and make the effort to move themselves forward through their own capacity. Savior? Magnet?
Ahhh Jordy: it’s a spider! Not high on evolutions brain ability but I see your point! While you should never help someone who should help themselves… poor Charlotte. What’s a poor girl to do?
LOL, Contagious 😂 What is a poor girl to do?
I think first of all, not to see Charlotte as poor or helpless. She got herself into a situation, she can get herself out, perhaps with a little help if her legs are too short. Or perhaps it was her conscious choice to end up there, in the arms of the Ultra. All possibilities can be considered.
And how would our interference affect her intent? What if it took all her strength to reach the bathtub, and then she is taken out against her will? We do not know, you see.
But in reality, if I do not want her there, I would take her out and bring her outside. I am like you. No time for a ladder, sorry 😁But for a man to build that ladder…and for HG to tell about that ladder… it does make my heart melt. Men are something else.
Hi Contagious,
I always worry about rehoming the little bugs & spiders I find in my home. I’m nervous that they’ll be separated from their friends and family and won’t know how to get back to their home. I know its ridiculous but I can’t help think about it. I always apologize to them when I move them outside.
Awee, that is beautiful, Leigh, absolutely adorable. Apologising to a bug for disrupting its little life in any way 🥹🥰 The shamans I was taught by explained that modern man’s ignorance and arrogance often lie in the assumption that all living beings, except humans, are beneath us and undeserving of respect. Apologising to a bug, a plant, a tree, or any other form of life when we disrupt or end it for our own benefit is a way of recognising the same life force flowing through them as it does through us. Their lives are just as valuable as ours, as they move by the same underlying force that carries us all, nowhere and everywhere at once, on this unique planet drifting through the vastness of nothingness✨💚🪲
I agree, Jordy. I do believe that all lives are as valuable as a human life. Its why I try to carefully consider the decision to move a little critter. Who am I to disrupt its life? Its usually because I don’t want them to go down the drain or get eaten by one of my cats.
Also Jordy…. how do you know for sure he did not squish the spider and leave the trash left over paper towels over the tub?
As a former prosecutor, they often refer to the empty cookie jar in closing argument with the crumbs as evidence. Where is the spider? Who had opportunity? Who had motive? And evidence was left at the scene of the crime.
lol
Jordy darling you sound Japanese Shinto:) All good!
You are more empathetic than me then! Lol
LOL! I don’t know about that, Contagious. I think I’m just cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
Hi Leigh,
Most bugs i find inside go into my toilet or outside, depending on where i find them. I only allow spiders to stay because they eat the other bugs. In the winter i always feel bad throwing bugs out because i know they will freeze. I recently learned, from my vet, that teddy bear catapillars produce a kind of anti-freeze that keeps them alive during the winter, i leave them alone where i find them.
Me too, AV! I don’t want to put then outside in the winter either because I’m afraid they’ll freeze! If there’s snow outside, I really don’t want to do it. That’s good to know about caterpillars. I had no idea!
With my cats around, I don’t see that many bugs anymore. I have one cat that likes to kill the crickets in the basement and then leaves their legs there. I tell her she’s not very nice, lol!
Your friend saved Incy Wincy! I love it!
The profound act of your cognitive empathy is to recognise and highlight the profound act of emotional empathy in your friend, creating the paper ladder for the spider.
It requires your kind of attention to detail to notice it and to point it out. It is kind of empathy about empathy. Not just feeling what someone feels, which is emotional empathy, but recognising and articulating that feeling in another, which is cognitive empathy reflecting on emotional empathy. Most people experience empathy, but far fewer step back to name it, highlight it, and make it visible to others. True depth comes not only from feeling, but from noticing, reflecting, and making the invisible visible.
“But no perfection is so absolute, that some impurity doth not pollute.” — You made me very happy🥰
Did you ever bring it up with your friend?
No.
I knew immediately what the toilet paper was there for. Have done similar myself. Very sweet.