I’m The Real Genius!

The gentlemen in the picture above is called Minesh. He is an IT manager in the United Kingdom and he looks rather pleased in the picture doesn’t he? Or perhaps it might be more accurate to state that he is looking rather well-fuelled as he holds a trophy aloft, drinking in the positive fuel from the studio audience he stands before (and positive Thought Fuel arising from the knowledge of a significant television audience also watching). What has Minesh won?

Nothing.

His son, Rahul, a 12 year old boy was crowned Child Genius 2017 last night on this British television programme. Well done Rahul.

Given the international nature of my readers, many of you will not be familiar with this specific programme but you will be very familiar with the concept of young children being pushed to succeed in respect of some particular field – general knowledge, spelling, dancing, sport, reciting poetry, gymnastics – with ‘proud’ parents pushing, sorry willing their child on, from centre stage, sorry did it again, the side lines. You will recognise similar programmes in your country which form part of the reality television franchise.

Child Genius did not used to be a competition. Previous series took on a documentary format as the relevant gifted child was shadowed by the programme makers and then the families of the gifted child were interviewed by a well-regarded child psychologist. Interestingly, this child psychologist resigned from the show because she was concerned at the direction the programme was taking. Her concerns are justified.

We will come back to Minesh to discuss his glittering achievement, whoops done it again, Rahul’s achievement. The show wasn’t just about Minesh. A mother named Susan had entered, not one, but two of her children, Fabio (aged 9) and Olivia (aged 12).  Susan referred to herself as a ‘helicopter’ mother who pushed her children to excel. Nearly all parents want their children to do well. Many would baulk at pushing their children to perform under the spotlight in a television series where the actual experience is of questionable use (more on that in a moment) but there are those who regard pushing their children as necessary and indeed helpful to the child. Such an approach will bring about divided opinions, but what about this comment from Susan to the programme makers which appeared on the aired programme

“I love my daughter dearly but I am rooting for Fabio.”

I wonder who is the golden child there then? What does Fabio think at being preferred over his sister? Does he agree with his status as the anointed one? Will he use this to his advantage (I know I did) or has Fabio learned sufficient empathy so far in his short life to counter this blatant favouritism?

How might Olivia feel about being triangulated in this way? Is she a scapegoat, is she the also ran who is given the veneer of encouragement but no matter what she does and what she achieves Fabio is the one who is always backed, lauded and admired? We will probably never know but a well established dynamic is rearing its head in front of us.

Of course no doubt if confronted by this blatant favouritism, Susan will deflect any such criticism. It would not surprise me if she actually forgot she was implicitly putting down her daughter on national television and saw it as a private conversation. I can well imagine there would be no acceptance of blame for this triangulation or even any recognition of it.

Is the competition of any real value? Depends on who you consider it being of value to. It is certainly of value to certain parents involved in putting forward their child, but it is of extremely questionable use to the children involved and this is for two reasons:-

  1. The word ‘genius’ is used but as with many words it is over-used. Genius refers to exceptional creative or intellectual power or ability. There is no creative genius in this show. The children do not break any creative ground and instead it is a test of cognitive recall which relies on technique rather than ability. Indeed, one even questions the extent of that technique given the allegations of parents mouthing answers to their children during the show.
  2. The children range in age from 8-12 years. They are placed in a highly pressurised environment.  The impact of this has left the children upset and in tears. Fabio, as mentioned above, went to pieces when he was trying to memorise two decks of randomly shuffled cards and this led to the monitoring child psychologist stepping in. Another boy, Joshua, who is 11, suffered a moment of freezing and ran off the stage sobbing. A 10 year old girl left her older also-competing sister inconsolable after the younger girl knocked her sibling out of the competition and this left the 10 year old also upset at what she had done.

Thus, one questions what actual use entry into the programme achieves and also one wonders what the impact of it really will be given the upset described above alongside the apparent punishing home regimes put in place by certain parents to ensure that their child wins the title of Child Genius 2017.

Let’s get back to Minesh. As Rahul made his way to victory and secured the title, viewers observed :-

  1. Minesh had stated “We’re a family who are used to winning and doing well in exams and competitions and things.” Hardly a crime to do well, but it starts to paint a picture. “Used to winning” which means that young Rahul has had the bar already set high for him. “We’re a family used to winning” but who is doing the winning? The whole family? Possibly, but I suspect it is more likely that Rahul is doing the winning, doing well in examinations and so forth and Minesh is acquiring these character traits for himself.
  2. Minesh laughed when another contestant, 11 year old Josh got a wrong answer thus conferring an advantage to Rahul. Such a response demonstrates several things:-

a. A lack of empathy towards a young boy in a pressurised setting making a mistake;

b. A lack of awareness that such behaviour was being filmed and evidently not caring (or even realising) how it made Minesh appear;

c. The desire to win at all costs

3. Minesh sat hunched forward in his seat in the audience, fingers crossed and held high for the world to see. His wife sat relatively impassively but Minesh was visibly supporting his son or at least that is how he would explain his over the top behaviour. The reality was he was on that stage, answering those questions, because young Rahul was his father’s extension, his little mirror.

4. Possibly the clinching moment of the crowning moment with regard to the trophy. Look again at the picture at the start of this article, There is Minesh, rictus grin fixed on his face, eyes staring ahead, fuel washing over him, right hand gripping the trophy, held aloft in his (not Rahul’s) moment of triumph. He pulled the trophy from his victorious son and held it aloft as he drank in the applause. It was his win. His victory. He was the genius.

Naturally one cannot say for certain whether Minesh is a narcissist or rather an especially zealous father who has got over-excited owing to the occasion,  but the behaviours exhibited during the programme, the comments made and in particular his behaviour when Rahul triumphed show at best a crass vulgarity in behaviour or at worst the fact that a narcissist father was trampling all over his son’s achievement as he drank in the fuel and claimed victory for himself.

Will the title of Child Genius benefit Rahul in the future? It is unlikely. The passage of time and the demands of the world tend to erode whether you achieved a particular title or grade back in your childhood. There is nothing wrong with excellence, striving to be the best and succeeding, I know this only too well. However, I have also realised the lasting legacy of the impact of being labelled as the golden child, the weight of the mantle of expectation and the harsh critical abuse when apparent under performance has been identified by a narcissist parent. The biting cold of snow under my feet as I was made to stand outside our house by MatriNarc in December until I could recite all three verses of Keats’ Ode To Autumn from memory and without mistake when I was 9 years old, is a memory which I try to consign to imprisonment but its legacy still impacts on me now.

What will Rahul’s legacy be? It remains to be seen, but we all know that Minesh will be fuelled from his achievement, apologies, his son’s achievement, for a while yet. I am not the only person to have noticed this behaviour. Many have expressed their concern at what they have witnessed, questioned the impact on the children of this behaviour and detailed their horror at the mind set of certain parents. As this was brought to my attention by readers it all had a ready familiarity of the narcissistic dynamic.

Has anybody else mentioned the N-word however?

No.

Once again our kind move amongst society and continue to function, operate and pollute without recognition or restraint by millions.

What word might describe such a pervasive, wide-spread, insidious yet effective state of affairs.

I know.

Genius.

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376 thoughts on “I’m The Real Genius!”

      1. HG
        Not sure what you meant by that little Englishism. Do you mean that not much grows under your feet so you never have enough of it?

      2. It means time tells tales, is an informer, time rats – to grass on someone means to tell a person in authority that someone has offended or done wrong

      3. HG
        Ah, thank you for another little nugget. Had never heard that before. I hope that you are enjoying much success in your off-blog activities and welcome back.

  1. Star & Sniglet, thank you, yes HG, is indeed my hero. I feel I owe so much to him. I will admit that I take offense to anyone who disrespects him in anyway on his blog, and that will never change. It baffles me why anyone would be rude to a man who has done nothing, but be polite, provide us a service, and help us on our journey to healing. HG Tudor’s time is valuable, I feel it is an absolute privilege to have him in ny life.

    1. NarcAngel

      I let my emotions start to speak, in that I was wrong. I was getting frustrated due to a memory in my past, I replied to another comment to another in my why. Even that may be seen offensive.
      Things are what they are….

      At the moment I don’t feel as if I was allowed to get angry about something voice my opinion from my perspective.

      The only thing I was wrong is my emotions started to speak and it was coming from anger, at no time did I speak in a dishonest way. Yet for people to come at me trying to put words into my mouth and twist things started to piss me off even more.

      I do hope you understand I am not angry at you I am still a little frustrated with myself.

      1. Twilight

        Well of course youre not angry with me. Im delightful and I never get myself into any jackpots speaking my mind now do I? Hmm? Frustration never looks good on anyone darling and it gives you wrinkles, so I think you should take that little blonde bitch Narcs advice and 🎶Shake it off, Shake it off…🎶………

        Sometimes they do have good advice lol.

      2. Twilight
        I often am frustrated with myself. What works best for me is just to put the frustration behind me and keep moving forward. (Sometimes I even visualize this.) Time keeps moving forward. We need to move with it.
        Sending you positive energy. I remember you’re energy sensitive. I hope you can tap into the energy around you and pull in the positive! Hope you have a great week! ⚡️⚡️⚡️

      3. Hi twilight,
        No matter what, I want you to know, that I do have compassion for you if you have something going on in your life that is hard for you .
        I don’t think you and I think alike Or see eye to eye, and I and that’s Ok.
        But I care if you are hurting.
        And I am sorry if you are going through a hard time .

      4. Narc Angel

        The only wrinkles this girls gets will be from laughing and smiling, maybe a few tears here and there.

        Windstorm2

        Thank you, sensitive is an understatement. I do appreciate the vibes. It is looking out for one another, helping when another is down.

        Sue423

        You are right we will never see eye to eye, and this is ok to. Perspective

  2. When things get convoluted and take on a life of their own I always go back to intention. I ask: What was the persons original intent? If I determine that it was good, then I can see that most of what followed was distraction and noise from unresolved emotion, which is easy to get caught up in.

    I understand logic over emotion is sometimes difficult but it is often where you will find the truth.

    Thats just what helps me for what its worth.

    1. NarcAngel
      That’s very wise. Life is full of unintended consequences and things blow up on all of us, but what was the original intent? I try to do that too. Don’t always succeed, but I try.

      Your suggestion that much of the chaos is from unresolved emotion may be true. I’ve never really thought of it that way. I guess I just always assumed it was because they were stupid or they didn’t think it thru or that they lacked essential understanding. Sounds much more judgmental now that I write it out….

  3. I completely understand why people have an attachment to HG but this really should be put into perspective… he is no ones property. I just feel like people are sometimes fighting over him and obviously his attention and gettting increasingly more aggressive.

    The level of possessiveness is starting to get a bit um… more intense….

    It appears that this jealousy and possessiveness at times is the catalyst to many of these arguements and what not…..

    I mean there are many other triggers but I wanted to point that one out…

    1. Dr. Harleen…i agree with your post. My posts were not in any way competeing for HGs attention or being his number one fan thats not why i posted. I wouldnt of posted at all but id seen some posts from # 1 fan to AhOh that were imo uncalled for and very mean. This i found upsetting. I had nothing against her before that. I still dont understand why they were posted but im over it and moving on.

      1. Right Narc Affair,
        I wound up getting involved in this because I made a humorous, sarcastic comment in regards to all of the “who’s the biggest fan” garbage. In my opinion the mindset in a lot of these comments is irrational and delusional. I am no way speaking from a possessive standpoint. I’m with you …
        Seacrest out! Lol

      2. Hi sue…my only issue was #1 hg fans mean posts to ahoh. I get really upset when i see people targeted in this way. To attack someone based on how they look in their profile pic and say no man would want them that is troll behaviour and i find it hard to sit back and say nothing. That said i dont know these two and any history on the blog between them but regardless it bothered me. As far as her infatuation with HG that is her business and i do wish her well with her situation.

      3. Hi Narc Affair,
        I appreciate you expanding on this. You are stating exactly what I was talking about, the out of left field nasty comments that were made that were unprovoked .
        All the rest of it doesn’t phase me….. I have an opinion about it , lol, but it doesn’t phase me at all.
        I can understand some negative behaviors ,that people display, being a result of going through a hard time but not that. That is just rude and tasteless. There is no justification for it and especially since she never apologized.

  4. Everyone,

    Can we please just try to communicate in a thoughtful way and support each other.

    All of us have been through a lot of abuse and are dealing with our own personal struggles.

    Generally speaking let’s all try and be tolerant of each other’s thoughts, opinions and perspectives. We all come from different backgrounds and experiences as well.

    If anyone is unsure of how something is written it is safer to ask what the individual ment than to jump to conclusions and go on the attack.

    Sometimes people don’t realize it but they are constructing their responses in a way that could be perceived as provocative or condescending. Other people sometimes may not realize it but invalidate others feelings and experiences by telling how them how they should feel, think, or be. Then there are others who understandably get frustrated but are quick to judge and criticize others.

    I recognize we are all hypersensitive these days but let’s just try to be more conscious of the things above mentioned above.

    Not everyone will like eachother or agree but we all don’t have to be so mean to each other.

    I think is important to consider how one delivers his or her message to another person. You can be honest without being harsh so that the message will be better received.

    1. It’s not about who is the real genius. Who’s the real fan? Who’s the better parent? Who’s the most f*****up? Who has the last word? Who was misunderstood? Who’s using triangulation? Who’s gaslightinb? Who’s right? Who’s wrong? Who’s prettier? Who’s smartest?

      At this point there’s zero f’s to give and no one wants to just chill. It’s 10 :30 pm I’ve been using a old friend as research he just maybe a normal. I am willing to take that chance going out for drinks and dancing. I can’t…I just realized how much I need a life.

      I initially declined after watching this movie on lifetime called temptation. H.G. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen it but it’s about this rich guy that cons this married young girl into having an affair with him and give her HIV. I think it’s Temptation confession of a marriage counselor.

      Thanks H.G for all you Do 😊

    2. Dr Quinzel

      Hyper sensitive I own that…..not that anyone can see recently yet I still own it and willing to give it away

    3. Hi Dr. Harleen,

      “Not everyone will like each other or agree but we all don’t have to be so mean to each other”.

      Although I agree with you, I am afraid this will not work, Dr. Harleen. From my own experience, what is happening here is nothing else but a reflection of how some adult women behave in real life.

      Some women will ruin or destroy another woman’s reputation for no reason if they feel or perceive that this individual is getting more *attention* than them within a group.

      The root of the problem lies in *jealousy and envy* but these women will rarely admit it. They perceive other women as competitors. Instead of being honest and telling someone that they are jealous of her, these women will tell lies or half-truths about the victim to other people who know her or are in contact with her.
      Once the seed is planted, the victim will rarely be seen as she used to be before (“Maybe she is actually a narcissist/an abuser “, “Maybe she is two-faced and she is not as empathic as she seems to be. “, “Maybe she does have a mental problem.”)

      I had not considered this before (why some women have to be so mean to each other) because first I cannot feel any of those two emotions due to my upbringing, second I do not compete for a man, a teacher or for anybody and third I do not crave for attention. There are authors who claim that *everybody* has feelings of jealousy and envy and I do not agree with them. I think this is a taboo subject among women and I am aware I can be attacked for bringing it up.

      It is sad to see women trying to ruin another woman’s character just because she is getting more attention than them, instead of considering this blog as an opportunity to learn about themselves, about their traits and to finally deal with their own problems.

      1. EB,
        in my country they call it derogatory: “The mares bite each other to get the attention of the stallion.” That`s all. There is no fitting English translation for it. The whole sentence I used to describe it, is one adjective in my language. I do not know, whether horses do it or not.

      2. Hi Mona,
        Interesting. I have not heard about it before. These women not only want to draw the attention of just one individual (for example, an authority figure –teacher/boss), but also of a whole group. They feel threatened if someone in the group is getting more attention than them.

    4. Amen Doc. I’m late to reading this thread. I have a lot of thoughts on the article itself that pushed buttons in me regarding the definition of genius and the treatment of the children in these scenarios. And this article’s seems to be somewhat diluted due to some serious growing pains in the group. It is a natural though difficult process for a group to go through….it is a safer place to express all these vulnerabilities each of us have.

      After reading the entire string I feel I understand better the dynamic going on, thanks to HG giving context. I have not seen all the past exchanges of HG1F and RS and her defending HG and now it makes more sense. I was initially confused too, though I now see her defense more understandable. I float around and do not always read all articles or comments so sometimes context is lost and thus the intent is not seen. That is why I am now holding back in jumping in on certain events, as I often do not know the whole story. I have a feeling that is what happened here. Pieces of information but not the whole picture.

      Yes, there is possessiveness, naturally, for the man that has helped so many of us. It is a message that we need to listen to within if you notice it in your experience. Where does it come from and how does this pain need to be healed. It is informative and there is no judgement here on my part for those of you that do feel this….be gentle with it, understand it and some introspection may help with hearing its message.

      I would like to say that I feel very attached to this group and each of you and your experiences help me so, teaches me and highlights areas I need to grow in as well. Empaths, normals, codependents, narcissists….we have one world to share, and we all have our wounds to heal. I would rather walk together than apart. This space is rare and I think it has a room for many more to heal and grow.

      Welcome HG1F, you certainly made an entrance 😊 I’m glad you found HG, the little of your story that I have read sounds like HG helped you seize the power to save your own life! That is a beautiful thing. A life saved!

      ~Warm accepting vibes to you all~
      My deep love to this group.
      Indy

      1. Love right back at you, Indy and to everyone else here. This blog and everyone here are very important to me as well. I highly value all of you.

      2. Hi indy…your post was very beautiful and a good reminder of the fact were all in different phases of healing. Its so easy to judge someone but not as easy to take a step back and not judge but try to understand where theyre coming from. Im very guilty of this at times. Also we dont truely know people here offline.

      3. Hi NarcAffair,
        Thank you. And, I completely understood where you were coming from too. I’m far from perfect myself and often have the urge to jump in and defend. However, I’m sure now I’m missing pieces to this puzzle on here. So, I am learning to stand back more these days. Like you, I too do not condone many of the comments/insults and I’m hoping things have calmed. I do love this place HG has created, all the people here, the strong, surviving, perfectly imperfect….supporting one another.

        Hugs and kind vibes,

        Flawsome and I know it!
        Indy

      4. Indy
        I’ve got to steal that one! I’m flawsome and I know it!! That’s great!! Gonna try that one out at school tomorrow! Happy Friday all!

      5. T-Shirt time😊😊 Indy, hurry and get a patent.

        Sorry, ladies. I am so happy i broke my addiction to high heels. All, i need is a funny statement tee, jeans, and flip flops. It felt good to dress up recently but, i made sure I bought my flip flops.

      6. Hi Windstorm,
        Awww what grade are you teaching?
        Happy Friday and long holiday weekend!!!!

      7. Indy
        I am fortunate enough to be retired, but I volunteer as a teachers aide on my old team as a charity. It is sixth grade. I am actually subbing Friday for the teacher who replaced me – assuming the remnants of Harvey don’t flash flood us out this morning!

      8. Hi indy…im loving the flawsome term too! Id buy a tee with that on it. Flawsome and fabulous 😄

    1. C star

      I am far from delusional

      I do have my opinions

      I do love humor, obviously my perspective is very different from everyone else’s.

      1. Twilight, you are not delusional whatsoever, you are just simply not a follower. In other words, you’re not a duck.

        Twilight, you stand out in my opinion because you are a one man army, a lonewolf, such as myself who defends others, whom are being bullied.

        Twilight, you are a strong minded, beautiful woman who is opinionated, and stands for what is right. Twilight you are the true voice of reason here @ the brilliant HG Tudors narcsite. A true empath in every sense of the word. Again, please don’t change a thing.

      2. HGT#1F

        Thank you

        I don’t plan on changing, not that I could.

        Tenacious and stubborn is more like it.
        You are observant, true Empath you made me smile with that. I am just a simple empath that sees things from many perspectives.

        You stay true to yourself and stay focus on your healing.

    2. C star,

      I am in no way attacking you….

      I understand you get frustrated and feel strongly about certain things and thats totally okay – I get it -not judging at all- but let’s try and take a step back…

      This next part is for everyone

      We should all try and stay away from labeling each other and outwardly throwing judgement at people… can we just be a bit more sensitive about how we are constructing and delivering out messages?

  5. What on earth is going on here ?!🙆
    We are all on the same boat. We have been ensnared by narcissists. We are all on the same side. Let’s love each other despite shortcomings.
    Pls pple try to recall when hg’s #1 fan came aboard. She was rude, engaged in name calling, calling pple old, and other VERY derogatory comments, etc. when nobody had attacked her. Why wud anyone defend her? She was being so hurtful.

    1. Twilight, you are truly a beautiful woman, and a beautiful soul. Please don’t change a thing. You are a true empath, not jealous a wolf in sheeps clotning. I adore my name, HG Tudors #1 fan, so what, why does it bother the rest so much, why do any of you care? I am loyal to the man who saved my life, so the rest is irrelevant.

      1. It doesn’t bother all of us. At once they were toying with the idea of starting a H.G. fan club. Maybe, you can get the ball rolling. 😊 H.G. have spoken I don’t know why he has to defend his decision. I admire Twilight for standing up for what she believe in and the fact she acknowledged her delivery could have been less emotional. True healing begins when we can look within and correct or errors. Growth…

        Do what works for you, and please pay it forward. He saved your life and you have a right to feel grateful towards.

        Peace and continued healing…

      2. None of ‘HG Tudors #1 fan”s messages were truly offensive. Any attack on her seems quite strange indeed.

        And, if she adores HG and proclaims that she is his #1 fan, what exactly is the problem? More power to HG Tudors #1 fan. This entire debacle is hilarious from my vantage point. Ha~!

        Remember: as iron is eaten away by rust, so the envious are consumed by their own passion.

      3. Hg’s #1 fan. I won’t lie , I am kind of lost with all these comments at this point and not sure what to think. But I will say this, I am very glad that you found HG and feel that he has saved your life. I hate to think of the pain you must have gone through, and very happy to hear you are healing from it:)

    2. And nobody has stated the fact when this was pointed out to her she stopped.
      Then when her character was questioned in regards with her name she became defensive again. She is reacting. We all react differently with our attachments to HG.
      Even you do Jeena, you panic when he is gone. Love attacks another when her jealousy and possessiveness comes out.
      When you lose something you will react in different ways depending on one what type of Empath, and two how much of the narcissist trait that have come to the forefront.

      I find it interesting that many will turn a blind eye to what one of HGs kind does to another here, yet nit picks an empath for expressing her pain, anger, admiration and at times possessiveness, all because it doesn’t jive or because they were in at a rough time and didn’t come here throwing rainbows and buttercups.

      1. I’m going to ask you this question again, where were you when HGT#1 fan was attacking people for absolutely no reason at all ? Where were you to defend those people???

      2. I went directly to her and question her she saw my points were valid and came back calmer, then the insinuation of her character via asking about names, she became very defensive yet again.
        I felt no reason to defend anyone at that point.

      3. I am referring coomwnts she made prior to all of this. When she first got here

      4. I am amused by your condescending attitude towards me, now.
        If she had reacted in a different way then I would have defended them.

      5. If you go back and re-read, it wasn’t entirely for no reason. She was defending me, perhaps somewhat over-zealously, but it was initially defending me following RS’ comments about me regarding the ‘It’ article. RS’ comments were the understandable typical comments that have been made before on reading this article whilst not yet being in the full facts of what had happened re Lesley and Lennox. N1F knowing the full picture castigated RS, which could have been done with a little less directness, admittedly, but that initial attack was predicated on defending me and was not an attack without reason. It is only fair to point out this point.

      6. Ok, i am dressed and pretty and must say those 4 pounds off make a difference. 😊 ( narc right). H.G. Thank you so much for the clarification most of us have have come to your defense or attempted to offend you to no avail. I do think the parties are one in the same. If that makes sense. He could be a lesser he’s driving and I think this is triangulation with a cell.phone. omg, I must consult. Prayers for those affected by the hurricane.

      7. No problem Yolo, congratulations on your weight loss! The entire episode has had some value in allowing an exchange of views and also allowing people to see the differing personalities involved but it is time for a line to be drawn under it. I have allowed people to have their say and, as ever, to allow other people to observe the comments so they can draw their own conclusions as to what is going on or to decide they do not wish to read about it and therefore focus on other matters. I am drawing a line under it now.

      8. Twilight, i still love u. 💗
        I don’t panic when HG is gone, but i do feel disconnected. I miss his support greatly, and the support of the lovely pple here. If u read my other posts, i have expressed missing clarece, indy, windstorm, narcaffair, and dr. Q, as i’ve interacted with them the most. But really, i miss all of u including astrongerwendy, sarahjane, sues, E.B., 12345, AH OH, and u too twilight. I was just saddened the day when hg’s no. 1 fan called many pple on the blog bad names, without provocation. It hurt me. Name calling is not ok. Retaliatory name calling, though also unacceptable, i can somewhat understand, as the person may feel hurt, and may wish to defend herself. But it’s better not to engage in that either. I do miss u twilight when hg doesn’t moderate. Hugs. 💗

      9. HG,
        I was referring to uncalled for comments that HG’s#1 fan made in the past that had nothing to do with the current discussion.

      10. I was pointing out that some of the comments indeed had a basis for why they had been stated, albeit over-zealously, to provide accuracy. Nobody was being specific in what they stated other than to refer to “uncalled for comments”. The matter is closed now anyway.

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