The Ageing Narcissist – Part One


I am often asked about the effects of the advancement of time on our kind. I have written about how this affected one of my uncles, Robert and how I have laid plans to explain how his fate will not befall me. What, though, of how the advancement of time and aging impacts on our kind more generally? The standard question that is asked is whether a narcissist will get better or worse with age. As you might expect, it is not as straight forward as that as it will depend on the cadre of narcissist and the relevant school.

The Victim Cadre

All of our kind see ourselves as victims and will make use of emotional blackmail, pity plays and drives for sympathy as part of the narcissistic arsenal to further our aims, but one cadre of narcissist takes it to an extreme and relies on sympathy, pity and being cared for more often and more intensely and thus amounts to being a Victim Narcissist.

The Lesser Victim

Age will give the LVN more to complain about, more to point to and more to seek sympathy for. Used to already drawing his fuel primarily through the application of concern, sympathy and caring, he can look forward to getting more of this as time advances. As his illnesses become worse, his flesh weakens and his conditions become all the more debilitating he will rely heavily on gaining his fuel from his primary source who is likely to be his primary carer. Lacking the ability to seek fuel from fraternising with new sources, the LVN will look to have his fuel levels maintained by the primary source and a small group of family and friends.

He will be something of a curmudgeon, always complaining about his aches and pains in order to draw that fuel and will be seen as a burden. Lacking control, he will often erupt when he feels he is not being cared for and his physical pains become too great for him. He will have chosen most likely a Carrier Empath to shoulder this burden but if the primary source should ever escape, although this is less likely as the relevant primary source will have been selected for his or her quality caring and domestic attributes, he is likely to be moved to a care home where a succession of carers will be shunted between primary – non intimate – sources and secondary sources.

The LVN in advanced age will struggle to find a replacement intimate partner primary source if he or she is lost. This is because the LVN relies on solely his need to be mothered and looked after as his ‘selling point’. His own parents will be dead and therefore they cannot be promoted to primary source and he will lack the mobility and cognitive function to seduce a new intimate partner primary source. He can do this when younger, when his conditions are not as extensive and he finds that especially caring individual but when he is much older, he does not have this option. He has neither charm, money or intellect to draw a younger appliance to him and therefore the LVN runs the risk of losing the long-standing primary source through his rants and tantrums.

He will find himself trying to rely on family members, possibly brother, sisters or children, as secondary sources but none will be willing to adopt the mantle of primary source as they will have their own lives to lead and unless the LVN can sustain fuel from these secondary sources along with professional carers also as secondary sources, he faces a diminution in fuel which will add a further weakness to the physical and mental ones which have already amassed. Decrepitude is inevitable.

The aged LVN becomes even more unappealing with age. Furious at his limitations, unable to control that fury, but weakened from fuel losses, his is an unpleasant dotage. He will lash out at those who care for him, running the risk of isolating them and becoming the author of his own misfortune as he is visited less and less by a reducing pool of friends and family. If able to secure professional care, he will be regarded as a cantankerous and unpleasant charge for those caring for him who only do so out of a sense of professional obligation and therefore the fuel provided by these professional caregivers will be limited. He will invariably lack mobility and even access to technology is unlikely to assist through reduced cognitive function, diminished hearing and eyesight.

He will also have led a life which has been poor in terms of health and hygiene. He may well have issues with drink and will turn to this in particular as he slowly drinks himself to death, using it as a crutch against the cruelty of the world leaving him in this manner. He will sink into a routine of demanding his fix of drink or tobacco, caring not for the deleterious impact it will have, but rather needing the short-term boost it provides him with, oblivious to the downward spiral he has embarked on.

A combination of poor lifestyle choices, pre-existing health problems and the potential loss of a primary source caregiver, with other sources remaining away owing to the unpleasant, nasty and malodorous nature of the LVN means that they are more likely to face death in their 50s and 60s.

The LVN, unable to control his beast, will frighten away those but the most hardy and thus he runs a considerable risk of descending into decrepitude, alone, furious and unloved as his already shortened days come to an ignominious end.

The Mid-Range Victim

The MRVN follows a similar path to that of the LVN. Age will not be kind to him, increasing his discomfort, exacerbating his pain and making him rail against the unfairness of his situation. Whereas the LVN becomes the architect of his isolation by his inability to keep his fury under control at those around him, the MRVN has an increased cognitive function which he or she will put to better use.

The MRVN will retain some degree of charm, though nowhere near the standard of the greater, but he will be able to amuse and draw people to him, politely seeking their assistance with lowering him into the bath or rubbing lotions into his aching limbs. He does not like this reliance but has enough awareness to realise that he needs the assistance of others and he also has sufficient control over his fury to avoid lashing out in a fit of temper against those he needs to care for him

The MRVN stands a better chance of holding on to his primary source and also recognises that this person not only cares for him and thus provides fuel, but will provide a host of residual benefits and accordingly his machinations will mellow as he ages. He has enough acumen to recognise that having someone cook, clean and care for him as he ages is a useful trade-off for sticking with the same person. The likelihood of infidelity will diminish considerably from an already low point since Victim Narcissists have little interest in sex but rather use their general incompetence or impotence in that arena to garner the sympathy that fuels them. They have no need to be applauded for being a sexual Olympian when they can roll out a pity play for the inability to perform and blame it on some long-standing imagined fear.

As the MRVN ages there will be a lessening of the drama that once existed and with decreased energy levels he can no longer sustain the playing off of people against one another and instead focuses on just receiving their emotional attention and being cared for. He will use his moderate degree of charm to ask people to come and see him, pretending to take an interest in what the grandchildren are doing or how his favourite nephew is getting on with his new job. He will place a sprinkling of sugar in order to get those secondary sources to pay heed to him. The MRVN will make particular use of familial secondary sources during his dotage and indeed the primary source can witness a lessening of their burden as a ‘reward’ for sticking with the MRVN. If these mild charm offensives do not work however, what you will notice is that what fury is ignited will manifest as emotional blackmail and sulking as the MRVN coerces secondary sources into caring for him and visiting to provide fuel.

‘I am your father, not that it seems to matter to you, you haven’t visited me in two weeks.’

‘I will just sit here on my own shall I while you gad about, you selfish so and so.’

‘Old Bill gets plenty of visitors so I am left wondering where mine are.’

The family and friends of the MRVN can expect such spikey comments to be made in telephone calls and messages for the purposes of emotionally blackmailing those sources into providing fuel.

The MRVN will ensure he is well-cared for with a motivated primary source and plenty of secondary sources, galvanised through the carrot of mild charm or the stick of emotional blackmail. He is unlikely to struggle for fuel and recognises the considerable advantages of keeping onside the primary and secondary sources for the residual benefits. He is not as short-sighted, either literally or figuratively, as the LVN. For the most part, his demeanour will improve, save for occasional sulks and silent treatments, but these will not be as prolific as when he was younger. His old age will be comfortable for him as he is content to settle into the routine of being cared for and given a reasonable level of fuel , able to recognise his limitations and control his fury, for the most part. Those around him will find the occasional period of self-centred sulking and demands for assistance, but will most likely find him to be less arduous that he was when was younger.

The MRVN will have taken a reasonably sensible course through life and notwithstanding his ailments and physical shortcomings, he will have sufficient charm and economic power to ensure that the autumn of his life is relatively comfortable, if restricted. He will confine himself to his ‘tower’ and expect others to attend on him.

The Greater Victim

This combination of cadre and school does not exist.

Part Two will address the Somatic cadre and the relevant schools applicable to that type of narcissist.

25 thoughts on “The Ageing Narcissist – Part One

  1. Amber says:

    HG, I have a friend who I have long suspected of being a narcissist , she works in the media industry, is beautiful and intelligent. She is not ageing but recently has been diagnosed with cancer which is debilitating. She has a huge supply of fuel but is also becoming quite transparent in her manipulations. Is this something you have witnessed?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      The cancer is creating a lack of control which leads to an increased and more urgent demand for fuel, resulting in the transparency re the manipulations. The façade is being sacrificed in the hunt for fuel.

      1. Amber says:

        This is so on the money!

        She actually speaks about ‘friends’ in terms of their ‘function’ (reminds me of your description of appliances) and what they are able to provide.

        Regrettably I appear to be failing in my function and I’m aware that I am being smeared. I want to go NC but fear it risks appearing petty to our mutual friends , given her medical condition.

  2. Esta says:

    I’m still digging through this site, but I’m interested in the Greater Victim not existing. My ex is most definitely a Greater (most certainly a sociopath as well), and also 100% victim without any doubt. On what basis do they not exist?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      We are to successful to be of the Victim cadre and behaving in such a way is anathema to the way we operate.

  3. WhoCares says:

    I’ve reached the realization that everything about my narc must be construed this way. Absolutely no matter who around him is suffering or was afflicted by his actions – he must be the bigger victim. And even when he can’t get sympathy he must detract from the sufferers by drawing attention back to himself by claiming a third party is responsible. (No matter how bizarre this appears to others.)

    It would be comical if it weren’t so serious.

    1. WhoCares says:

      And sadly I realize that it’s the bizarre factor (around the tiniest bit of truth) that draws the fuel.

      Saddest yet is that he cannot help it.

  4. Kate says:

    My “father” fell down a few months ago and when my mother is around, he acts like he can barely get around, shuffling about. He had a hissy fit recently and stood perfectly fine a used that cane in a way that he assumed was threatening..

    1. WhoCares says:

      Kate – (re: your father) doesn’t it just burn you when you can finally see it as day and others around you cannot?

      1. Kate says:

        Hi WhoCares,

        My sister is more than happy to be calling doctors on his behalf (with her “Little Miss Smartypants ” super heroine outfit on (my visual). I don’t know if she is genuinely convinced that there is a serious issue or not. ??

        I don’t know – maybe I am being mean. Honestly, it is confusing. I feel badly for my mother. I keep calling him out on how fake I think he is because he sits on his ass and never helps her. He is a useless lump in my eyes.

      2. WhoCares says:


        Yes, I would feel for the parent who’s being taken advantage of as well.

        And better to let your sister have at it if she gets something out of catering to
        the useless lump.

        At least it sounds like you can see it for what it is and make choices about how you engage it now.

        I realize now (through HG’s work) that I experienced a similar dynamic in the relationship between my parents in the past but I can’t reflect on it as of yet.

  5. DUTG says:

    Again, everything I’ve read from HG is spot on to what I witnessed. Ex narc husband’s father was married at least 6 times (having lied about a few of the marriages, but the internet contains a lot of stats that can be fact checked these days). As he aged, he returned to previous ex wives whom we were all led to believe were addicts or abusive. Never did we think he’d ever return to them as we were led to believe they were so horrible to him. Part of my vigilance in reading here is my personal observation that they do indeed always return. Not because they are suddenly enlightened and regret past treatment of you. Nope. They just need someone to wipe their geriatric ass because of what HG says above. As for my ex, he’s currently using personal injury lawyers to secure his future.

  6. 69 Revolver says:

    My Nex was so incredibly VAIN. He turns 64 yo the end of April & he’s fighting it every step of the way. I won’t go into his beauty regime here. Suffice it to say, I feel being 15 yrs younger helped his image.

    He made a ‘pack’ with his 3 age-related friends that they agree to smother each other with a pillow when their bodies no kept up with their ‘expectations.’ Of course I said, “Not on my damn watch.”

    But now, I may hear of his mysterious death in 15-25 yrs but I won’t be around to stop it!

    That was or obably more drama for my benefit anyway…..

    1. narc affair says:

      Hi 69 revolver…seriously? They made a pact to do each other in? Lol now thats some somatic!!

      1. 69 Revolver says:

        Right?!?! Drama, drama, drama.
        They should put a big, fluffy pillow in his casket.

      2. narc affair says:


  7. Kensey says:

    They say God gives you the face you deserve.

  8. E. B. says:

    I have a question about MRNs who do not seem to belong to any of the four cadres (cerebral, somatic, victim, elite) like those unkempt, overweight, ageing, vulgar, misogynistic and homophobic local entertainers on TV.
    Which cadre do they fall into? Or is there another category for them?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      They maybe victim or somatic – remember they may not be anything to look at but self-delusion means they think they are (consider what is written in Time and the Narcissist – Part One).

      1. NarcAngel says:

        Hi EB
        I believe you are referring to the B.L.I.N.D cadre.

        Blazing Leaders In Narcissistic Delusion.

        You can often identify them by watching the B.L.I.N.D leading the B.L.I.N.D

        1. E. B. says:

          Hi NarcAngel,
          Haha – B.L.I.N.D is an appropriate term to describe them. It is hard to believe they see themselves as charming, witty, attractive or entertaining when they are exactly the opposite. Maybe they were praised as a child on a regular basis or were given the Golden Child role in their family of origin.

          I remember a little boy being celebrated and praised by his parents for telling sexist dirty jokes. Another mother used to laugh and have fun when one her daughter humiliated her friends in front of others, this starting when her daughter was a little girl. I have witnessed different cases when parents (unconsciously) encourage children to become full-blown narcissists. Blind are also psychologists and psychiatrists who think narcissists have a genetic predisposition, in my opinion.

      2. E. B. says:

        Thank you for your reply. The narcissist I am talking about is a MRN and since he is neither a Victim nor a Cerebral, he must be a Somatic one. Totally delusional.

        The Aging Narcissist (Time and the Narcissist) series has two parts:
        Part One is about the Victim cadre – all schools.
        Part Two is about Somatic *Lessers* only.

        At the end of Part Two it says “Part Three examines the effect of age on the **Mid-Range Somatic**”.

        Are you going to write about it, HG?

        1. HG Tudor says:

          I am.

  9. narc affair says:

    I think my narcs dad was a midranger. Id never met him but from what he has told me over the years which isnt a lot his dad was grumpy a lot and emotionally abusive and he admitted had hit his mum. I do think he learned his narcissism from his dad. Possibly this is why he never married or had children.
    He commented that his dad always had to be in a relationship and could never be alone. In essence hes the same way except he doesnt live with anyone. Hes got round the clock sources tho. Fuel matrix.
    His dad later in life sent away for a mail order bride who stayed with him until he passed away in his 90s. He made sure to always have fuel in place.
    Many male narcs use mail order brides as an option once theyve lost their youthful looks and health. Many of these women dont mind settling with a man they dont love in exchange for a home and security.

  10. Stéphanie says:

    Doesn’t seem bad at all for the mid-range narcissist; he gets to have his cake and eat it, too. Something not right about that.

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