Dr O Vs The Shieldmaiden – Part One
Since I am a polite man (when it is merited) it is of course necessary to effect some introduction to the second and third parts of the triangle. I am of course the first part and into my triangle have come Dr O and The Shieldmaiden.
I will deal with the two ladies in a chronological fashion.
The Shieldmaiden is my Intimate Partner Primary Source, in common parlance, she is my girlfriend. I have known the Shieldmaiden for a number of years, but she has only become my IPPS recently. Like many appliances, The Shieldmaiden was a tertiary source when we first ´met´. We both knew about one another before we physically met. Indeed, it would be accurate to state that she was a secondary source before there was any physical interaction between us. She rose through the fuel matrix and now holds the most important position of IPPS. She loves and adores me.
Dr O is one half of the good doctors. I have known her also for a number of years, but not as long as I have known The Shieldmaiden. Dr O was not known to me before I met her and therefore we met in person as tertiary sources. I, naturally, made it my business so know much about her thereafter. Dr O is tasked by the perfidious traitors in the Tudor family with addressing my apparently aberrant and disordered behaviour with a view to bringing me to heel. Good luck with that. She loves and adores me.
Thus, there is a triangle, me, The Shieldmaiden and Dr O, but how does this triangle function, what is the nature of the interaction and why is there a “versus” included?
Time for you to find out.
It is a fresh and invigorating Autumnal day. Invigorating because as ever I am well-fuelled as I walk along the pavement to my appointment with Dr O at her consulting rooms. Fresh because the sky is clear of cloud and the sun glows brightly, the shafts of golden sunlight percolating through the trees of the nearby part, the leaves now turning as the year enters its final months. Shafts of sunlight illuminate the mist and as I walk, the backdrop of the city and its sounds all around me, I maintain my customary vigilance. It amuses me that MatriNarc still has her spy following me around, or rather trying to follow me around. He is not incompetent, but one would hardly afford him the label of master and he has now largely focussed on hovering with intent around the street which leads to Dr O and her consulting rooms so he can at least confirm to MatriNarc that I have attended.
Now, you might think, why doesn’t MatriNarc just ascertain from Dr O, or her receptionist, that I attended. She will not do that because MatriNarc wishes to pretend that she is not interested in my attendance, but she is obsessed with it. She also does not do so because she will not be told about it either. One of the benefits of the triangle.
I am well-fuelled courtesy of the ever-obliging goddess which is The Shieldmaiden and several telephone calls I made as I walked to my appointment. I prefer to walk. Naturally it is exercise but moreover it allows me freedom rather than being stuck in a traffic jam (they are a daily consequence of this city) and I remain fleet of foot so if the need arises I can evade into thin air or pounce from thin air, dependent upon the circumstances.
I bound up the steps into the impressive main entrance of the building where the consulting rooms of the good doctors are based. I flew in to the airport very early this morning having flown through the night, but the effect of a long-haul flight does not impact on me. This is a combination of regularly experiencing them and moreover the energising and empowering effects of the potent and plentiful fuel which has poured into me in the preceding hours. There have been no credible threats to my control, even the slight wrinkles which arose in two of my telephone calls came with fuel from the relevant appliances and I was readily able to assert my control through the spoken word.
I do however know that a challenge to my control is waiting on the other side of the door which I am now facing. It is a challenge that I relish and is just another part of the games. The games which must always be played. I feel a slight surge of power inside of me, to you, it would be akin to nervous apprehension or excited anticipation.
Not to me.
That was a dollop of Thought Fuel as a consequence of envisaging the forthcoming reactions of Dr O in the consultation ahead of me. As always, she will alternate between her forensic probing as the professional she loves projecting and her figurative skipping and dancing around me like a love-sick teenager. It is all fuel to me.
I never sit and wait for Dr O. That is thanks to Alastor
Sitting and waiting means that one has to be reactive to another. That means being subjected to control and that will never do.
I know much about Dr O. Far more than she realises. It is so entertaining to dangle the pieces of information, the tidbits of intelligence and the morsels of knowledge in front of her and watch as she tries to mask her surprise, her begrudging admiration and her fear that I know so such things. Not once however has she ever sought to admonish me or ask where this information has come from, but I know, thanks to Alastor that she repeatedly tries to find out.
That is one of Dr O´s weaknesses. She talks too much to people who are very good at listening. Being trained to be a good listener is a much under-rated skill. I rate it very highly indeed. I listen carefully to her, far more carefully than she listens to me in fact. For instance, I know that one of D O´s first sentences will be to enquire about my travels with The Shieldmaiden. She will mention it as a “frolic” or a “voyage” or an. “adventure”. Never acknowledging what it really it. She will ask under the pretence that she wants to understand how my prosocial behaviours, which Dr O believes she is the sole architect of, have been applied and if they are being maintained. She will ask under the guise of wanting to enable me to be more constructive, less destructive and “a good and healthy contributor to the lives of others.” Ha ha ha. I already am, you deluded woman. The real reason she will ask this, the true reason she will make this one of her first questions is because her jealousy of The Shieldmaiden has a firm hold on her.
As I intended.
And that jealousy generates blindness which I can exploit.
There is ante-room which leads to four consulting rooms which radiate away from this ante-chamber. The door to Dr O is second on the left and I stride towards her door. There is a lady sat on one of the expensive chairs waiting to see one of the other doctors. I look at her as she sits reading from a page which, judging by the others appended to it, will be some kind of legal document created by the ball-washing bastards in the legal profession. I do not know the lady. She does not look up from her reading as she is suitably engrossed in its contents. There is the faintest flicker of annoyance but her failure to look up cannot impact with any substance and I dismiss her ignorance.
I place my hand upon the brass handle of the door which leads to the inner sanctum of Dr O. I do not knock. She knows who it will be and I know she will be ready. By that, I mean at least she will not be doing anything other than be expecting me, but I doubt she will be ready for what will unfold. That is because she is not me. Another small flame of Though Fuel ignites at the image of her face looking upon me as we spar with one another and with that, glance at her name and initials on the pomposity plate on her door and open the door.
“Good morning, good doctor,” I announce as I enter the room.
There she is.
Dr O.
“Good morning HG,” she replies, all traces of her accent almost removed. Almost. She likes to become someone else. Not as much as I do though. Being someone else is the very essence of what I am and what I do, both when I am hunting in the well-heeled boltholes or the down-at-heel foxholes.
“Isn’t it just?” I smile pleasantly towards the pristine Dr O, sat behind her desk.
I sit at one of the two chairs facing her desk but do not wait for her to provide me with any acknowledgement or agreement. Her unwavering gaze on me readily suffices. Accordingly, I continue to speak.
“O wild West Wind, thou breath of Autumn’s being, thou, from whose unseen presence the leaves dead are driven, like ghosts from an enchanter fleeing, yellow, and black, and pale, and hectic red, pestilence-stricken multitudes: o thou, who chariotest to their dark wintry bed.” I recite channelling the spirit of autumn through me and bringing it into this stark chamber.
“Very good,” she says flatly which only serves to amuse me rather than irritate because I can see in her eyes she found it delightful. The eyes, you can forget about all that bollocks about being the windows of the soul, they are the pipeline to fuel.
I fall silent and look at her with expectation, tilting my head slightly to invite her to speak again.
“Coleridge?” she asks.
“Oh Dr O, what will we do with you? Shelley. Ode to the West Wind, a wind that I flew in on a mater of hours ago,” I comment and dangle the invitation for her.
“Ah yes, another trip, so, how was this latest adventure with The Shieldmaiden?” she asks and leans forward slightly as if she is assuming the role of inquisitor, when really she is in the role of confessor.
Adventure. There it is.
Dr O likes adventure. She lies to adventure and I could be moved to point that out to her, but I am not going to do so. I am going to give her what she wants but actually does not want.
I am going to talk about The Shieldmaiden and I and she will have to listen and do so as he jealousy rises and pushes her to comment, to question and remark.
But why is she jealous of The Shieldmaiden? Why would a successful, intelligent, attractive and interesting professional and weaver of webs be jealous? Why is she competing so readily with The Shieldmaiden and what is driving her to seek to win and to triumph of my angel?
For that, we have to go back to the beginning……..
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Missing piece of the puzzle still. You showed 2 sides of the triangle. How is the SM reaction to this? How does she know of Dr O and is she jealous? Let’s hear the 3d side
Just read alastar …so many thoughts about this individual. It sounds to me like maybe she was a victim of a sex traffic/drug ring. Possibly she started off homeless or on the streets and was a teen. How she infiltrated into the tudor family i dont know aside from maybe working for the family in some capacity maybe on a domestic help level secretly set up by you HG. My question moreso is how you came to know about her situation? It sounds like you knew about her abuser/s and stepped in. A young individual whose got nothing i could see being very influenced and reliant especially where money/protection comes in. As far as being able to return her back to where she came from is this from not being financially supported or a more dire reason?
Im hoping youre not involved or connected with how she became a victim. I cant see it because of your upbringing and situation in life but how you knew about her and the abuse is a mystery. It sounds very much like a sex traffic/drug sort of victim. Those victims suffer greatly from ptsd and can be brainwashed and controlled.
You rescued this girl and are helping her in return as one of your inside staff members. Shes your mole.
Another question is why and how did she become so good at gathering info like a spy would? Maybe she started off a small time criminal as well or drug addict and got mixed up in something way over her head. Those sorts become so desperate for their next fix they learn quickly how to get what they need and what she needs is to never go back to the situation she was in. She sounds very fragile which in itself could pose indirectly a loyalty issue. Narcissists #1 never trust anybody but maybe this is an exception?
Intrigued would be an understatement 😄
Excellent questions CHM and thank you for sharing them.Read on with the future material and gather those answers, other answers and most of all, get educated.
Oh Chi I was happy to read this comment! So many scenarios running through my mind? I was thinking being so good at gathering information and , being able to blend in as if she is not even there, or they forget she is there because they feel she is no threat to them, they probably feel she is below them and it’s quite obvious they underestimate her and her intelligence. I got off track! I’m sorry! I do know that some of the traits she is so good at can come from years of survival! As a victim of abuse from a very young age, I learned to use whatever senses and feelings I could to avoid that abuse! Listening and watching was key to survival. Still today I will sit listen and observe. It has become second nature to me. Also depending on how long she was living in such a place and being abused, she could possibly be CoD, in which case she would be very loyal to him and know one else. Some CoD will stay with the the person they are dependent to ( as HG has written) until they become so ill they have to be hospitalized. Or another case is where someone physically takes them out of that situation. I apologize for going on and on like this, I have just read it again and my mind is running full speed ahead! Lol. 🤗
C-Mom. When I read Alastor, I thought of HG as knowing about these type of scenarios. And also of HG being a gifted reader of people to see what talents they have and their various characteristics and residual benefits. And he will put those skills to use when applicable. There are so many talented people that never are developed in this world. I see so many young children so full of life and curiosity and precociousness go into the school systems and are `magically, ` in a bad way, transformed into sulky disillusioned delinquents on their way out that can barely read or write or do basic mathematics. I see and I have heard of so many of those that survive the early school systems come out of the colleges/universities with no creativity nor innovativeness nor bravery. And needing `safe spaces` so that no one ever feels `less than`, and they can not speak practically because of being constantly muzzled and stifled by political correctness. And if their cell phone breaks down, or they lose it, many almost die. Many do not know how to function in a difficult basic scenario. For example, I once had to tell one that it is okay to knock on the door, if the person does not answer their cell phone, if you are at their front door, and the person is expecting you. Just knock with your hands. I had to tell another, that if their cell battery is dead in a city, they can still find a regular phone booth at any airport or hotel or transportation port and still make a call out, etc. etc. I had to tell another, if their GPS is faulty, they can actually stop and ask live people for directions. I had to tell another, if the store says they do not have an item and the cell phone says they have the item, screaming at the clerks will not make the item appear. Reality in off life > Cell/Internet research data. These scenarios are not fiction: This is happening.
HG,
Are you dating a child?
Those girls in the pictures look too young for you! Who do you think you are, my ex-husband?
Where is your news or what was the something that was going to happen on October 4th, I think you said on a comment string (I am not sure which post of yours it was).
What is of most interest is WHY is your family insisting that you go to see these doctors?
WHAT have you been accused of EXACTLY? WHY are you being followed around???
Thank you!
I am not even sure where to start with this….
You know what HG, for the very first time, I have no words! Only letters, WTF?! Hahaha
Kate: I will give it a shot. HG does not date children: That is insulting for you to say, but I know you did not really mean what you are implying. No more on that topic. He is not your ex-husband as you know. The News is, we are reading, by popular demand, some history of the Good Doctors and others involved in the matter, and there is, for the first time ever, supplemental insider information reading that I bet you would enjoy on: Alastor. You will find the link in the article above, that you can click on and order and HG will personally email the info. on Alastor to you that is very important inside info about this matter, for those of us that would love to delve deeper. I do. It is fascinating. His family desires him to be more pro-social. They have some power to do this, but he is also amiable to the `therapy` as an interesting learning experience, and for his own experiment and goals. So far both sides are in sort of a win-win. Perhaps a hostile win-win, if there is such a thing. He is followed to see if he keeps his appointments because his family desires to know his compliance, without asking others, but, for their own satisfaction, that he is going and what form he is in. And they have the wherewithal to carry on their own information gathering about him. And they are doing so. I hope this helps. Any and all errors in this post are mine.
PrincessSuperEmpath,
How do YOU know if HG dates children or not??
I do appreciate your comments sincerely, so thank you.
Ummm.. HG that extra reading that you are all talking about is saying it is $5, not 2 (Alastor), bu the way.
I do not. There is your answer.
Yes, it is now US $ 5. Early birds received it ridiculously cheap, I am too generous.
The story of Dr O vs SM so far is past tense, it’s already happened. And it would be safe to post it on the blog now if the entire story was done playing out in real life. I don’t think it’s happening, I think it’s happened. The grand design could likewise either be near completion or already accomplished.
I’ve read Alastor. This is all so fascinating! I still wonder if it is real though.
It is.
It doesn’t matter what’s real or not real—really. It’s the thoughtful discussion and education.. I want to think you are a really nice psychologist with a pond, golden retrievers, an oldest child named Finn and ducks in the pond. It’s easier.
And they same I’m deluded!!
Maybe I’m deluded. Does this mean if you had ducks in the pond you would bite off their heads in a frenzy?
No, I like my ducks crispy. Flame thrower please.
I’ve never eaten duck—they are so cute I don’t want to eat them. I’d never want to be in a room with you because I’d always be on edge you’d grab something like the duck and do something horrible just to be awful to everyone.
I have not seen any live ducks in a room. Only dead ones. Crispy ones.
HG
You see sitting ducks in a room on the regular but you call them targets.
Ha ha, very good. Touche!
Live ducks may leave a need for dental floss—would be a chore and messy. It’s more a metaphor anyway for a drive to display madness to say, “See I told you I was awful!!”
Ugh no no thanks!
Lorelei
I much prefer that picture. There are also some Kois in that pond and he lights scented candles in his therapists office because he likes to make it comfortable and inviting for his patients. He wears a tweed jacket with corduroy elbow patches and puts sheep fur on his chairs.
Haha—I think my uggs have sheep something in them? Hilarious visual.
Hilarious!
A koi pond lmao
I like to think of HG as the Devil.
It’s exciting
I read Alastor before I went to sleep last night and woke up with my emotional thinking in full swing. I can’t stop thinking about this new twist in the story of your grand design. I am awe-struck. It’s like a series and I’m waiting for the next weeks show to play. Hg, you are inspiring!
Indeed. Thank you.
Geminimom, I agree it *is* like a series.
At least the Alastor part—it reads like fiction. Visually and atmospherically the Alastor piece reminds me of Luther.
Everything else that HG has written feels very real to me, especially this depiction of his visit to Dr. O’s office. While I find Dr. O’s response to HG interesting, it is not surprising to me at all. I’ve seen that all before.
What most grips me are HG’s thought processes and intentions before and during the O-ffice visit. In this Part I piece, HG confirms everything I ever suspected about Narcx, everything I would futilely accuse him of, and thus everything he would adamantly deny.
HG – Alastor has delivered beyond my wildest expectations – I am both speechless and intrigued!
HG’s talent for capturing human fascination is on fire with this one. If you are debating the purchase, please hit the button. This is a whole new side to HG’s fuel matrix that I knew nothing about. I am hooked and we are about to embark on a very intense and interesting education in the dark arts. Wow!
I need Part Two HG.
Glad you enjoyed it Sarah, more intrigue and education to follow.
Hi what is Alastar?I have been very busy with work lately and missed a lot here
Kiki
Kiki – Alastor is the new excitement and education in our lives in the form of bonus reading material to accompany that being provided on narcsite.
Read Dr O vs The Shieldmaiden and click on the link to buy it as it is a fascinating and gripping read (it is more than reasonably priced).
Let me know what you think?
Sarah
you are very creative HG. This is a good lesson of how narcs think , while also being entertaining to all your fans who love spying on your personal life.
what about stopping the triangulation with dr O and instead analyzing more narc celebrities?? Or writing scientific papers to leave a legacy in that space?
I guess…I wish the narc games could end. But they don;t. :'(
good luck hg. Very creative writing.
aSNQ,
I’ve thought the same thing—why doesn’t HG put his intellect to more scholarly use?
A few theories on this bounced around in my head (though I’m sure there could be many more theories).
One theory: Scholarly work is often peer-reviewed. Why should a Greater subject his work to scholars who are lesser than he? In other words, a Greater is peerless.
Another theory: Matrinarc perhaps once expected scholarly work of HG. Why should HG bother doing work that Matrinarc expects? Either she will deem it not good enough or she will take all the credit when he wins the Nobel Prize.
How do you know I do not do this elsewhere? You do not.
Hence, my theorizing.
In the wrong direction.
Glad I threw the theories out there, for now I (and others) know.
Jolly good
I thought u were not publishing scholarly papers because most scholarly papers lack your perspective. They suck at analyzing the situation. i feel u provide a much deeper view of what takes place in the mind of narcs. I have not seen that in scholarly work. I would love to read research papers with your amazing perspective.
What research papers do u recommend?
Go HG scholar!
That’s kind of you.
Different field
HG this is not a Criticism however to write a scholarly article paper there cannot be any flowery prose or descriptive writing it’s cold hard facts and conclusions made only on what the result is .Well for science anyways
Il love your writing but it has more of a novel feel , like great descriptive suspense thrillers not tawdry scholarly articles that do not allow subjective thinking .
I think you should write a novel .
Kiki❤️
The way I write here is separate and distinct from the way I write elsewhere. I write to deliver.
Hi Kiki: Did you read the supplement regarding Alastor yet? Amazing.
great advice hg. I should also write to deliver.
Hi PSE
No I haven’t but I could just imagine HG writing a great movie or a very twisted thriller .
He definitely has what it takes to wipe out all the current writers of this genre .
Kiki: It will be quite the good read for you regarding Alastor: HG is presenting to us by popular demand some inside information about his life and sources. You are not behind. Alastor was presented to us only yesterday in the middle of the article above on this page. All you have to do is click on Alastor above and order the article for 2 dollars on paypal and HG will personally e-mail the article to you. I bet you will find the info on Alastor extremely fascinating, Kiki. You click on the word Alastor on the article above on the paragraph that looks like this: ~~I never sit and wait for Dr O. That is thanks to Alastor
Sitting and waiting means that one has to be reactive to another. That means being subjected to control and that will never do.
I know much about Dr O. Far more than she realises. It is so entertaining to dangle the pieces of information, the tidbits of intelligence and the morsels of knowledge in front of her and watch as she tries to mask her surprise, her begrudging admiration and her fear that I know so such things. Not once however has she ever sought to admonish me or ask where this information has come from, but I know, thanks to Alastor that she repeatedly tries to find out.~~
What it he has scholarly work on a different topic/area? Under his real name, of course.
That’s what I though…that he was not doing so because he is “peerless.” Did I think I read this elsewhere here? Yes. Clearly, I was wrong.
I purchased Alastor. When does it arrive?
When I send it. You will already have it by the time you read this, GM.
I didnt realise it has to be sent ive not recieved it yet.
Sent again.
The button to read the bonus material doesn’t work. Irritated.
Yes it does, everybody else has been able to use it without issue. If you are still unable to press a button, email me and I will assist you.
I was able to press the alastor button but i couldnt read this apple paper until i downloaded a few file readers and found one that worked on android. Im not a real techie sort lol
C-Mum. File readers. What worked on Android. Good to hear about. It is admirable that you figured it out. Thanks for stating this. I find a lot of blame shifting from tech society to the purchasers and users of some of this technology these days to the point that many of us are afraid and/ or ashamed to admit when we are having problems with it, to our own detriment. HG is awesome in how he listens to us and facilitates our various tech devices on his blog. And he finds his own ways to leap over technological roadblocks and work with us to get the necessary material, when needed. I have watched as HG even helps people from many other countries outside of the U.S. and Europe to get his books when their technology and their attempts to make purchases fail to push through for various technological international reasons, and they complain to him and he gets the products to them one way or the other. I learn a lot about how to run a business on this site. And many readers on here are quite helpful in this tech arena, as well. HG and E.B. and FYC and K and Whitney and MB and others all have helped me. And never have mocked me for my tech troubles, nor my tech non-expertise, when I am having difficulty at times. Thankfully.
I had trouble too.. Then I fixed it.
Lorelei: What trouble did you have and How did you fix it?
The trouble I had was related to clicking on a link for it that was embedded within the article and it didn’t prompt paypal to charge me for the actual item so I just manually entered $2. I then thought about it, clicked another spot where it properly directed me/filled the paypal cart with the product. Who knows why it didn’t the first time–generally I can navigate shopping carts fairly well online. I figured HG knew who I was and what the $2 was for anyway. He can buy a cup of coffee with the second $2. It was a nice read, well done. At first I thought it was a Harlequin style written piece about the women but was surprised to find it as interesting and tasteful. (Not surprised that the writing was interesting—but I’m not overly interested in details of personal scenarios that aren’t teaching oriented and this promises to be!) You have had some really nice posts that I have noticed Princess–I’m paying attention! I will not get a reply to this as is on a desktop and unless I write within the app on my phone I don’t receive app updates. (even though I’m signed in?) It is just easier when I’m at work to be on the computer. Have a lovely week.
Lorelei: Thanks for your technology explanation and thank you for the compliment on my posts. I appreciate it. I am working to not have a grudge with technology as much as I have, and HG`s reader FYC has encouraged me. However, I want to keep up with the reality of the technology so that it benefits me more than I benefit it. I am an enthusiast of a certain type of genre in my reading, and I was shocked at the atmosphere in Alastor. It is as good as the best, and surpasses most of that particular genre. And, I should know. Authors Beware: There is a new sheriff in town!
I feel chills from reading Alastor, and am grateful I’m not on the receiving end of the grand design. Will we hear about the GD through you or see it on the news?
Wait and read
1-“There is the faintest flicker of annoyance but her failure to look up-“
Really! Is this to say a lesser or MR would have more than a faint flicker of annoyance at the same thing? A stranger not addressing their arrival into a waiting room??! My GOD I had no idea
2- ball-washing lmao
Also I loved this .
Hey I can’t use PayPal right now but can etransfer the $ to anyone who will buy Alistor for me. $$ up front of course.
Or duh- HG can u accept etransfer instead
W. I can buy it for you. I just will order another one and HG can email it to you. It is an unusual read and I do not want technology to keep it from you. And, I can afford it. HG, can I buy another one and you can then email it to her instead of me?
Sure.
Sweet! I look forward to it with my morning coffee before group.
Thanks!! 💕
W. I paid. ENJOY! Dearest HG: I just now paid for W on Paypal and she is waiting for your email regarding Alastor to read with her coffee. HG, Can you check to see if I paid for 2 this morning, or is paypal saying I paid for 2 because it is adding up the one I bought for myself yesterday? If I bought 2 by accident today, will you file the info away that I have a 2 dollar credit with you for the next purchase opportunity? Thank you.
Dearest HG: I paid for W. This may be a double post.
Noted.
PSE thank you! Loved it! HG thank you for this new insight into your world
You are welcome.
HG I debated whether to say this- but curiosity has the better of me. I had already assumed Alastor existed , and not in singularity. This may be part of my impression of you. Is Alastor alone?
W. Enjoy your coffee and you are welcome. Thank you HG for assisting us to easily maneuver, for our own needs, in this technical labyrinth of modern life.
The failure to look up i think is moreso a somatic narc trait bc everyone needs to notice them and how attractive they are.
the whole article is incredibly interesting – naturally.
‘Now, you might think, why doesn’t MatriNarc just ascertain from Dr O, or her receptionist, that I attended. She will not do that because MatriNarc wishes to pretend that she is not interested in my attendance, but she is obsessed with it.’
What schools of N would phone up to check? All MMR and below?
It would depend on the precise situation, but invariably all Lesser and all Mid Range.
I guess I’m confused. It seems not too long ago that you were so smitten with the shiekdnaisen and that you felt you might be able to sustain a relationship with her but now you are triangulating ? Does this mean that is no longer the case and she is likely going to go thru the cycle like the rest of her predecessors
You’ll have to keep reading rather than speculating
“And that jealousy generates blindness which I can exploit.”
That says it all right there. He’s toying with her in order to achieve his grand design. I think the Shieldmaiden is not in any danger of being discarded at this time.
When you start to understand the mind of a psychopath, you’ve reached a new level!
Lori
Narcissists don’t necessarily triangulate with potential romantic partners only. While it usually provides the best fuel output, they will triangulate with relatives, pets, inanimate objects etc. I know we will have to wait and see, but I like detective work. So based on what has been provided, I’d say that HG plays on Dr O’s obsession with him but does not triangulate the Shieldmaiden with Dr O in the same manner. That could mean that Dr O is jealous of the Shieldmaiden but not vice versa or that HG plays on Dr O’s romantic feelings but does not indicate this to the Shieldmaiden and instead talks with her about the actual therapy aspect.
Expansive thinking, good to see.
Dearest HG: I was not under the impression that SM knew you are in therapy. Am I missing something from your writings or from Instagram or something that has said otherwise?I want to be able to keep up.
Desiree, I thought the same thing that SM is not aware of the triangulation…yet.
Mercy
I didn’t say that the SM is not aware of the Triangulation, although I don’t think she would consider it that. People can also be triangulated in a positive manner. For example, he could be indicating to the Shieldmaiden that she provides such insightful input with regards to his Therapy and that Dr O falls short in that regard or that the SM understands him much better and gives far superior advice than the so called “professional” Dr O. The possibilities are endless.
Desiree, I should have clarified. I meant that SM is unaware of the negative fuel that could be extracted from the triangulation in the future. Your comment did make me question weather SM is aware of Dr. O yet and if so, what excuse has been given that HG would need to see the good doctor.
Mercy
Yeah I agree with that. HG could have given several explanations that could actually make him look even better (self-improvement, overcoming trauma inflicted on him by Matrinarc) if that is what he chose to do. I am curious to see how this pans out
Oh I’m not speculating. I just thought maybe I missed something. I don’t come as often as I used to. I hope you regressing. I’m really pulling for you to get to a place where maybe you may not be cured, but you’re symptomatic behaviors are less prominirnt. I don’t want the sheildmaiden to go thru the cycle
“We both knew about one another before we physically met. Indeed, it would be accurate to state that she was a secondary source before there was any physical interaction between us. She rose through the fuel matrix and now holds the most important position of IPPS. She loves and adores me.”
I’m glad you have a happy fulfilling relationship.
HG , dr O knows your issues and why your family wants you to be in thereby , right ? How long actually has dr O been treating you to her brand of questioning ?
I am either missing crucial information that others have about Dr. O or should report to remedial class as I have little to no evidence so far of the characterizations and assumptions afforded her in the comments. They may be borne out in time but right now………I need more information so will continue to read and gather evidence.
NA, I am with you on Dr. O. I believe the others are speculating. I prefer to get the scoop from HG and then make conclusions.
NarcAngel
I made my assumptions based on several articles such as “Stuck in the middle with you” and noticed repeatedly that she was rather dishonest in her approach and seems to lack emotional empathy. HG says that she is rather obsessed with him, I can see where that assessment came from and find O to be quite unprofessional since she won’t adress things that ought adressing.
Desiree
Thank you. I either missed that or need to read it again. I don’t remember it.
NarcAngel, I get what you’re saying. I’ll take guesses regarding the situation that HG is presenting but I can’t form a negative opinion toward Dr O. For me there’s just not enough information. I guess that is a trait of an empath to believe there is good in everyone (or most everyone as I’ve learned here). I think as I’m reading the comments that if my life and my situation was ever made public the readers would crucify me. I had episodes when my empathy was so dim I thought I’d see smoke from it going out. Even if Dr O stepped past boundaries I still can’t pass judgement. HG isn’t a young innocent man seeking answers from someone superior in knowledge to cure him. He is in control and she’s probably never experienced that from a patient before.
People being attracted to each other is not unprofessional. Attraction is mysterious. What one does about it could be unprofessional according to certain guidelines and under certain circumstances determined by various parties on a case by case basis. It is not so cut and dry as I see some suggest. I was very attracted to someone I worked with. There were no professional problems. I just could not handle it as an individual in my case. It depends on the people involved. I think it would be difficult to prove, as well, unless the person behaves and speaks in an obvious to demonstrate and explain and un-accepted manner according to the accusation. And the client in mental fields will constantly be accused of projecting and deluding themselves. It is fascinating. But, because I am on HG`s side. I feel alarmed about it all. It is like spy versus spy. Each evolving with the knowledge that the other is evolving as well. Both under each others microscope.
I think alastair must be a private detective HG has hired.
Only one way to find out.
😂
I need Angel Assistance to read the article Alastor
Jen: I have a $2 credit with HG for Alastor. Please accept this treat from me for this excellent read, and you will allow me to clear my account credit today. Thank you. HG, can you send Alastor to Jen, and then my account is clear? Thank you.
Done.
Dearest HG! Thank you for helping Jen and me! Now, I do not have to become a master accountant to keep track of that $2 credit. Whew! Accounting case closed. 🙂
Thanks Princess!;) Love a good mystery detective story.
Jen. You are so welcome!
Alaster is most likely HG’s personal assistant since she suspected that he must know whow HG gets information.
Alaster is super tempting to read but concerned this website would show up on my bill. So curious tho!!
It is required reading. I am sure someone can help you with the issue.
Chimum
Gift card? I’m sure there will be occasion to use the balance over time.
Hi narcangel thats a great idea ty 🙂
Chi mom—you can always have a friend buy things on PayPal for you to be sent to your email or home and then Venmo them.
I used a gift card i had just waiting for it in my inbox 😁
Sent.
I just purchased it too I think it went through?
C-Mum,
If you use your PayPal Balance (instead of your PayPal linked bank account), your purchases will not show up on your bank statement.
Thank E.B. I was also wondering about that. I don’t feel like answering to my N husband
It is better than porn site on your bill! I kid you not I did some sort of transaction (not a porn site but similarly ridiculous level of embarrassment) and I swear to the Lord in the Heavens my bank guy saw it because it was right there when he was perusing the account during a fraud thing in the spring. Long story but I almost died. It was actually a gag sort of gift I swear.
Celine Dion’s Greatest Hits ? Mortifying. I imagine your shame.
Why is everyone picking on Celion Dion come on now! She has a fantastic voice and I bet it’s very hard to try and hit those high notes. Plus shes Canadian. HG I reccomend you listen to Unison ,I dedicate it to you and SM lol and Just walk away for you and Dr. O lol
I have nothing against Canada, or Canadians (except Celine Dion).
I should hope you have nothing against Canadians eh?
I am promoting you here !
The bonus material is great! Looking forward to Part II of this suspense thriller.
Thank you EB, lots more to reveal.
Oh this is like a Netflix series when they leave you hanging after each episode. Can’t wait for more! You say Dr O loves and adores you, did she tell you this?
Keep reading
Your are keeping us in suspense I can’t wait to read part 2
Dr O mentioning your travels as adventures i read two ways and it would really depend on seeing her body language as she says it but it comes off as minimizing your travels together as if theyre temporary and not in a serious relationship capacity. I find it is a way to slough off maybe one of her jealosies of your spending time together travelling. These trips would pose a threat to her fuel source changing future situations as in a marriage etc. If she knew anything about npd she would know it wouldnt or at least long term.
C-Mum: I find calling his travel:`adventures` rude. Because the word adventure can also have negative connotations. She would not know if anything negative happened unless he told her so. Unless she has the right to treat him as if absolutely everything he does is negative. Does she have that right? Or, does she hold that opinion? It happens all the time. People feel the way that do about other people and it is difficult to change their opinion, although HG did change my opinion, without trying to do so, about Nicole Kidman: I like her now, as an actress. Maybe the word `adventure` has less of a negative connotation more so in their country. She should say, how was your trip? Or something like that. Or, if she is jesting, too much jesting is not good in her case as a mental worker with her client. Especially over time. Maybe she is nervous when she sees HG, and when she is nervous, she attempts to appear cavalier. It is not a crime. But, like most of us, she needs to know herself and be aware of herself in tempting environments with tempting clients. It is probably a difficult job at times. To appear unaffected by another person that is sitting right across from you in a private office, year after year. And a charismatic like HG. Whew! I do not want that sort of interpersonal type of job. She has the client of a lifetime, though. Whether or not she is aware of this. So, I will cut her a lot of slack, unless I learn more that suggests otherwise.
Hi princess superempath…what you said about the difficulties in that profession that can arise had crossed my mind. I heard a quote from a psychologist and it was “the best psychologist is one who has their own therapist”. Im sure there are some clients psychologists have had to turn down or stop seeing bc they got into their heads or they had a personal issue with. I think attraction turned to seduction could be one of those instances. Youre right it wouldnt be the easiest job at times. I guess i should cut Dr O some slack too 😁
I had wondered as well if matrinarc intentionally chose a very attractive psychologist to be on the team. The mere fact she chose these doctors is questionable if she is infact as nasty as weve read about. I trust HGs version of matrinarc but i do realise smearing and different perspectives can occur. Where i do trust HGs version is its all too familiar the behaviours and the truth of npd. Shes got her own motives and there for her own benefit.
C-Mum. I bet anyone that provides good fuel is also looked upon as being attractive. If she showed as a potentially good appliance that is attractive enough, I am sure, for Matrinarc. I am assuming they know each other, based on what you are saying. Fuel is King. Especially when it brings along residual benefits as an informant, it this were the case. I think as a child, one does not know they are dealing with a Matrinarc, but at some point in the later years of youth, one does realize from being more acquainted with a larger variety of people, that something is not quite right about someone. And then one is told and one reads and studies and evaluates and actually finds out that they are an Adult Child of A Narcississt. And then one revisits memories of ones upbringing, and finds it is the case. I believe him. And he admits he chose her way to survive, but we all can see that it still creates a grudge, even if one chooses that way. She may feel she is doing the right thing by him, but it still may be for the wrong reasons. Therefore he has to walk a tightrope in order to win this battle, on his own terms. She seems to be a worthy adversary.
What did HG say about Nicole Kidman? She’s a favorite of mine.
Lorelei: He explained to me how she has to perform certain roles, whether or not they are personally distasteful to her or not, in order to stay relevant in her field. And how her husband understands she has to do this, because he is also in the entertainment field, and I thought about it for a while and I realized it probably took more courage than I was giving her credit for, for allowing herself to be treated in certain ways in a role, such as in Big LIttle Lies. One of the reasons I disliked her overall was because she was often `downgrading` her looks for certain roles when I personally (I may be in the minority, I know) never considered her so beautiful that downgrades were necessary. So, that downgrading irritated me. lol. And then she married that musician, that she said was the man of her dreams, so I thought she would have more modest roles out of respect for him, and I was shocked at her role in Big Little Lies, and I asked HG why would she allow herself to now be cast in a role like that. And HG explained it to me, and I concur with his explanation in her particular case and marriage. And so, I sort of like her now, as an actress, when before I did not. She should pay HG Tudor on retainer. Just in case I change my mind about her in the future.
Interesting. I really like her and she’s attractive to me—in a “I respect her craft way.”
Lorelei: We both like her now. I hope she makes a movie soon.
Lorelei. It is okay that we like her, but we should not start going about `downgrading` our looks okay?
Don’t the good doctors know about your blog? What if one of them sees this? I’d love to be a fly on the wall in your next session so I could witness the reaction and the exchange that would ensue.
Leigh
I was thinking the same thing. What wouldn’t I give to see Dr Os face when she reads this. He must consider her under more than sufficient control, then.
What I wouldn’t give to see Shieldmaiden’s face if she ever reads this or sees her photos on Instagram.
I would really love to see if she would respond the way I would in a similar situation. Crime of passion and all that.
Hi lisk…we dont want to go there 😨
Possible smear?
Smears are another way for a narcissist to have control—they want to control how others view you in addition to the other benefits of smearing.
Hi leigh…i had wondered this too bc i thought the blog was known about by the doctors. Would they not see all this?
No.
Leigh, HG has said in the past that the doctors do know about the blog. Maybe he is limiting access to the bonus material to control who has it? After reading it, I can see that being the case that he wouldn’t want the Doctors to know what is revealed there.
Also, should we allow the possibility of this being fiction to enter our minds? HG has written fiction before and is quite good at it.
It is not fiction.
I got my alastair copy ty HG!
Alastor, not Alastair! (Suspect it was autocorrect).
Enjoy reading and learning.
Yikes my mistake lol alastor! 😁
Bingo! I was hoping I could ferret that out, HG. I tried yesterday and failed 🙂
So how do the good doctors not see the blog???
Wait and see.
This reminds me a bit of the scenes with tony soprano and his psychologist. He flattered her and seduced her and she struggled with her own issues but she also seeked outside help to keep her professionalism in check.
I enjoy reading these sessions. Dr O is a psychologist but also human. I think she can learn a lot from this as well. Her narcissistic side of ego is the reason shes jealous. Shes preoccupied with where she sits in your attentions HG bc of her own ego. Ego can be a very dangerous thing. She loves the fact youve been checking up on her bc of her…ego. It makes her feel desirable and extra important. Sheildmaiden threatens this pedestal of importance. If you become too involved with SM the surge of fuel you give her ego may dissipate or vanish. This is where DR. O needs to take a good look at how she is operating as a psychologist. If its hindering her ability to help you or its affecting her own life. It really is unprofessional for her to let attraction develop into seduction and obsession if she is in fact obsessed.
She has a dirty empath narcissistic side with a big ego. Youre stroking her ego by letting her know youve been learning info about her which im sure is part of the seduction process. Its one thing to be flattered but another thing to anticipate your clients appts and dress up to entice them THAT is unprofessional. Also allowing ego to get involved and cloud better judgement. DR.O needs to get over herself and get back to helpful therapy.
Very interesting.
Nice Chi mom!
I’d be scared shitless myself.
Is Dr O a narc
Not only is it unprofessional it reflects a lack of empathy, lack of accountability, and a couple other red flags
That’s why I asked if she’s a narc
HG might be imagining things. She may not be jealous….. but who wouldnt want to travel the world with the love of their life!
Delicious.
Aren’t I just?
Ha! this is an interesting choice of words. When I think of delicious I think of me… but I have no doubt you are not to bad yourself 😉 Great article HG…cant wait to see how this unfolds. Who will peak your attention the most, who will increase your fuel and inevitably who will fall into the rabbit hole of devaluation.
Patiently waiting…
Thank you.
Oh my God what a cliffhanger… I’m dying…
You really are not a scriptwriter? (It’s worth the try!)
No I’m not but I should be.
You need Alastor too
“You need Alastor too”
Mr Tudor, I bought this within a second after release of course!
This Alastor reminds me of the capacities of K, coincidence?
Thank you for doing so.
I understand your point, but vastly, vastly different.
HG blown away from Alastor (S) !
Understandable.
Waiting patiently for more.
Anybody on the fence about the bonus material? Get it. Worth it. HG fucking rocks!
HG approves.
Instruct and delight. Horace would be proud, HG. No, Horace would be jealous! Haha.
Okay. Extra intrigued now.
HG,
All of your teachings are entertaining or provocative in one way or another – this material seems to have extra suspense and mystery attached to it. (Particularly because it sheds further light on your personal life.)
I don’t mind having my imagination titillated – but, I do want to ask: this will indeed be educational?
Yes.
Thank-you HG, for resolving my issue regarding the Alastor materials.
You’re most welcome, it’s worth it of course.
I wondered why Shelley at first, I remembered I had a copy of his collected works somewhere, aha! “And virgins, as unknown he passed, have pined / And wasted for fond love of his wild eyes.” Is anything in the poem related to the story? God I’m loving this.
I agree.
The figure of Alastor is providing me with a lot of revealing information and suggestive ideas. I won’t say anything because people need to read it, but right now I’m out of control! I need more.
“But why is she jealous of The Shieldmaiden? Why would a successful, intelligent, attractive and interesting professional and weaver of webs be jealous? Why is she competing so readily with The Shieldmaiden and what is driving her to seek to win and to triumph of my angel?”
Does Matrinarc have something to do with it?
You mentioned your trips with the SM were work related. It sounds like Dr O is downplaying or minimizing your trips by calling them an ‘adventure’.
As for a therapist pursuing a romantic relationship with a client, this would be unethical in some countries.
What Matrinarc is doing to you reminds me of what psychologist Alice Miller did to her son in some way.
I always find your observations interesting and thoughtful EB, keep them coming.
Glad they were useful, HG
As always.
E.B. What was done to the son of the person in some way, like HG, that you mentioned, by the psychologist Alice Miller??
PSE,
I can see some similarities:
– Matrinarc and AM coerced their sons into undergoing psychotherapy. HG and Martin did not want to and refused. More than once.
-Matrinarc threatened HG with facing regulatory and criminal investigation based on lies.
AM told her son that if he refused to go to therapy, she would publically denounce him through interviews in the newspaper, so he would not be able to work anymore. She blackmailed him. She threatened him with telling lies about him.
-AM chose the psychotherapist’s office for her son. She contacted J. Konrad Stettbacher’s office and made an appointment although her son did not want to. MM had therapy sessions with a student. Stettbacher was AM’s Lieutenant.
I do not know if Matrinarc chose the Good Doctors’ office but they are not on HG’s side since HG said that he is not paying for those sessions. Maybe Matrinarc and those against him are. Dr O seems to be Matrinarc’s Lieutenant.
-AM was obsessed with her son’s therapy. HG wrote that Matrinarc is obsessed with his therapy too.
-Matrinarc has a spy following HG around while AM had Stettbacher and his student.
-MM said that this student recorded all his therapy sessions. He knew she did it but he did not know that she actually made two copies. Recorded therapy sessions were sent to Stettbacher and also to AM behind MM’s back. MM did not know about it either.
Although HG assumes that Matrinarc will not be told about his attendance or sessions, I do not trust that there is no breach of confidentiality. From my experience, people like Dr O can be easily manipulated by female narcissists like HG’s mother. Manipulations are very subtle and benign.
-AM told his son that he was a monster, among other horrible things.
Matrinarc considers HG to be EVIL: the evil one in the family among all the poor innocent lambs, thus HG is the only one who needs treatment – not her, not the rest of the family.
-AM’s Lieutenant had some benefits from her. MM said his mother wrote Stettbacher’s “Wenn Leiden einen Sinn haben soll” since KS would not have been able to write a book.
Apart from what they get from their expensive therapy sessions, Dr O seems to be getting some additional benefits from Matrinarc. I am looking forward to reading Part II.
Very interesting
This is in response to discussion of having been sent to therapy. It’s incredible to me more and more this lack of awareness. My dad actually sent me to therapy as a teenager to “get it all out there” re, sexual abuse from a neighbor situation. But he was being abusive! Yet, he was in denial of his own behavior and actually just thought my issue was from exclusively another. Everything was really so contrived in a sense coming from my father—nothing was coming from a place of authenticity and I simply had no idea. I actually remember thinking, “This doesn’t seem normal—it’s just weird.” Like a part of me knew and yet I had to go through the motions? Because I was depressed I had to get “it off my chest.” Get what off my chest? Like I needed to confess something I had not done? It was useless and dumb. The therapist thought I was maybe borderline because I didn’t say much and I think she assumed I was wanting her to probe for attention. Like being silent for secondary gain from prodding. I was silent because of mortification and shame. It’s amazing how fucked up the whole thing was. An absolute fucking sham. Like what is a person to say that is so revolutionary? “I didn’t like that.” Well shamwow what an epiphany. Let’s get the ticker tape parade started for Lorelei because she can say she doesn’t like getting f*^+** by force? Christ. HG—your mother is as much of a moron as my dad was. I’m glad he’s dead so I don’t have to have anxiety over my kids being around him. When my oldest was young I was constantly following her into rooms where he was or making sure porn wasn’t on the computer screen. Disgusting behavior. I’m surprised I’m at least functioning in a seemingly normal capacity in the world.
Hi EB…the thought had crossed my mind as well if one of the doctors was a lieutenant/spy to matrinarc. The mere fact she chose them and has money to buy her info is a question mark. Dr E i dont think is going by what ive read. He seems to know about npd and is trying to help. Dr. O im not sure yet.
Chimum
I’m reluctant to raise this because I I could be remembering incorrectly, (and I hope HG will correct me if I am), but I thought HG previously outed Dr E as a narc. In which case he would not really be helping. Well…at least not HG. I remember thinking I wonder if he might be “helping” Matrinarc though.
You recollection is correct.
HG
Thank you for confirming about Dr E. Incidentally, I don’t always respond with a thank you and wanted you to know that it’s not because I’m unappreciative, feel entitled, or am intending to be rude. I’m only attempting to reduce your workload in having to moderating it (brief as it may be) and having you reply “you’re welcome”. I am always appreciative of a reply and your time but wondered if my lack of offering it causes you a moment of annoyance. Esoecially after reading that you had a flicker of annoyance at the person in the waiting room merely not acknowledging you.
Thank you.
No problem, NA.
C-Mum,
It was Matrinarc (and other people) who took the decision to send HG to do this therapy and pay for the treatment. Matrinarc has her motives and is controlling the situation. She is their client, not HG. I could not trust any of the Good Doctors. This is business.
Hi narcangel…i could be wrong about Dr. E ill have to go back and read but he seemed to get to the core of npd and in HGs head as well as get him thinking from different angles.
E.B
I looked up Miller and her son after you mentioned them. Very interesting story there. Thank you for bringing it up.
NA,
You are welcome. Yes, it is very interesting because we did not know anything about what she had done to him. I have read some of her books and used to be on her blog (not commenting but reading only) until she passed and thought she might be a narcissist.
His son started speaking about his past after his mother died. It all began with his first interview.
E.B. That is all so OUTRAGEOUS! I very much appreciate your detailed response. Clap, Clap, Clap! Thank you. Standing Cyber Ovation to you, E.B. I am awestruck that all this is going on. I am alarmed by it all, and I keep saying so to HG, even though he is an Ultra and all that. I have no more to say. I am in shock right now. There is so much conflict of interest the way all this is happening, whether or not it is technically legal. I see so much ethical violation and the double bind that HG is faced with. Did the son of Miller survive his Matrinarc in one piece? Is she still alive. Is there a movie about Miller that you know of? Thank you. E.B. how do you know so much about the Millers? I only hear of Freud mostly, but I am not acquainted with that world and knew very little about it until I came on Narcsite. I notice that when I am interested about something, a million questions come to my mind. Thank you.
PSE,
If you are interested in his case, you will find his interviews and other information online. His therapists were afraid that if they let AM know they were on his side, she would destroy their reputation or take them to court. They were afraid of her.
Narcissistic people will discredit those they feel threatened by. The psychology field is not an exception.
EB,
Prompted by your mention of Alice Miller and her son, Martin Miller, I found and viewed an interview with him. Heavy stuff. I had always wanted to read her books because it seemed like her work speaks to my issues but never got around to it.
While I am tempted to take her off my booklist, her son does say that he practices his mother’s theories even though she did not.
So I guess it’s safe sometimes to take in the knowledge—which still may be valid—without endorsing the behavior of the author.
(I’ll add her son’s biography of his mother to my booklist, too.)
Lisk,
“I guess it’s safe sometimes to take in the knowledge—which still may be valid—without endorsing the behavior of the author.”
Same here. I think it is fair to separate the personality of an individual from his/her work.
Her son said he considered AM’s first three books as valuable. He did not include all of them, though.
In one of his interviews he spoke about the time he started working as a therapist. He said he wanted to gain more experience by doing some training with Jan Bastiaans, a trauma therapist. He told his mother what he was learning about trauma. Her mother was not working as a therapist at that time. She had not even used the word trauma in her first two books. Yet, she took advantage of her son’s experience and information to write her third book. She stole her son’s ideas about trauma to write “Thou Shall Not Be Aware”. Her son said she never acknowledged it to him or publicly.
“her son does say he practices his mother’s theories….”
He seems to agree with “breaking the wall of silence”, for instance but I have not heard him say that he agrees with *all* her theories.
I do not think he agrees with her that healing from serious medical conditions can be achieved by seeing the truth, feeling the pain and feeling the rage towards the parents or caregivers.
(I would like to add that A.M.’s books are *not* about narcissists in romantic relationships, how to deal with them or protect yourself.
For those who want to educate themselves on narcissism, HG Tudor’s blog is the right place to acquire all the knowledge. Please see his books and consultations.)
HG interesting article. What makes you think Dr. O is jealous of you and SM? What makes you think she loves you? She is a professional and she knows what you are. SM doesnt know therefore there is a difference. She needs to probably ask questions to see how you function on a daily basis and perhaps make small talk. Are you trying to charm her to make her IPSS I dont think she will go for it as she is smarter than to get involved knowing what you are.
You will get answers in due course, what not offer your own observations and thoughts based on what you have been learning?
Yes I have HG your kind is very charming and i know you can seduce almost anyone very easily ,but to people that dont know what you are . If I knew that my charming N husband was one of your kind I wouldn’t pursue him .I would run. Anyways looking forward to reading part 2.
Hi Pati,
In my humble opinion it doesn’t matter what you know about NPD, sociopaths and psychopaths “in theory”, it doesn’t matter how many books you’ve read or if you are a therapist.
There is only one thing that matters – if you were abused by a narcissist in the past or not. Od you really understand what does it mean and how it feels to be narcissist’s victim.
If you weren’t abused and you know them only from the books you may be even fascinated by them. You will know it is dangerous but “it’s so tempting, i want to try it, i want to feel it, lets give it a shot!”
But it you were abused and went through the whole cycle with them + you’ve read some books to understand what happend – this is the only situation when you can truly say “it will not happen again, been there, done that, it’s not worth it”.
Hi there Gab , I am learning from this blog and HG books ,consultation etc. Being involved with a Narc for over 20 years is hard thing to swallow.
Indeed…That’s one trip I refused to go on again. Extremely detrimental to ones soul and psyche. We can achieve Victory by accessing knowledge and applying it.
“the only situation when you can truly say “it will not happen again, been there, done that, it’s not worth it” is if HG has given the narc detector on them lol
“Hi there Gab , I am learning from this blog and HG books ,consultation etc. Being involved with a Narc for over 20 years is hard thing to swallow.”
Thanks for your rensponse Pati. I wasnt writing about you, rather about doctor O – that it doesn’t metter what she knows from her books and studying, if she weren’t narcissist’s victim having an affair with them still can be tempting for Her. It would be irrational, stupid, but the curiosity is still there.
I believe you when you say you would RUN it you meet a new narcissist. Having a narcissist for 20 years in your life is a nightmare I guess and it is a great lesson for life.
Good luck.
It is and a huge learning experience ,but for Dr O it will also be a learning experience ,she would have something to write about in her one of her therapy books.
Oh, and one more thing. I think that it the therapist is narcissist himself/herself they don’t care that the patient is narcissist. Because of their delusional grandiosity they may think “I am able to control and dominate them”.
It is only a guess of course and I don’t know if dr O is a narcissist herself. But from what I learned I don’t think N-therapist would be concerned with someones disorder. They have no boundaries, no fear, they like the challenge, they are entitled. Look at HG – he is not a therapist but he is a narcissist who knows everything about this disorder and still he would seduce another narc it he wants. Because he thinks he is able to control just anybody.
And if a therapist is an empath, as I stated above it depends if she really understands what it means to be a victim. If she weren’t abused and have some typical for empaths hunger for love she could eaisily be seduced.
Gab—you mention something of interest. Compels a thought. Why isn’t fuel provision high for a greater in the seduction of another narcissist? Since controlling someone who evades control takes work..
You need to expand on what you are asking Lorelei, since as written it is unclear.
Do you mean is the fuel provided by another narcissist to a Greater who is seducing that narcissist, high or not?
Are you asking why a narcissist would seduce another narcissist since trying to control someone who will evade control is difficult ?
Asking why wouldn’t it be extremely fulfilling to seduce another narcissist because they are not to be controlled—so there would constantly be fuel trying to bring a narcissist female to heel.
There would be a mixture of Pure and Challenge Fuel
The former is not an issue and that is why a relationship between two narcissists can work for a period of time.
The second is an issue. Thus there would be fuel however there is a threat to control caused by the challenge and this leads to the tempestuous outcome and eventually one narcissist would assert control over the other, most likely by putting down the phone or walking away, which then means the fuel provision halts.
Thanks for answering. I was thinking (quite honestly) that it seems almost easier for narcissists in many ways while walking in the grocery store this morning. (I went directly after working which lensed to being approached due to my attire)
I kept thinking of the past year as you’d just dinged the inquiry back for me to elaborate and I was thinking how crazy I was until more recently. (Maybe currently is a matter of debate—and of course I was beating myself up for it having gotten so ridiculous)
Anyway—approached by a man that frankly was attractive and normal appearing. He broke down crying and basically this was a genuine mental health crisis for a very nice and formerly higher functioning person—not a problem to manage but he was frantic as he couldn’t stop ruminating over killing people as he suffers from schizoaffective disorder and was hearing voices and having paranoia. It was sad, touching and elicited emotions a narcissist will never have for me to experience in that moment. The challenge for me is to determine with some finesse how to be more “narcissistic” (?)when necessary to self protect appropriately as I really appreciate moments such as these that are raw, genuine. There is an element to having a vast spectrum of emotions that is quite unbeatable to experience—but it’s more of a handicap in many ways at many times. It seems there is almost a clay sculpture on the potter’s wheel trying to become something at times. But it’s always clay and always will be.
I forgot to add unless Narcissist collide dont know .she may he one ?
Pati,
from what HG has shared, Dr O might be an intelligent woman, but it very much seems to be the case that she has an interest in her patient that goes beyond her clinical practice. Having a narcissistic psychopath suddenly whip out information about you without any clue as to how they could have aquired could pose a danger. Trying to act unfazed by it in an attempt to seem superior but then asking other people how he could have known could be a sign of pride or ET. A more rational approach would have been to use this to open up a conversation about what made him search for it, this would give her a chance to know more about her patient instead of trying to act like she doesn’t care. Either way, she should know even better than us that in doing so, she is trying to play a game she cannot win.
HG will make her his IPSS if she is under sufficient control and most importantly, if it benefits him. I don’t think that is the case as of right now. I would assume the tension and promise of “what if” is even more tempting to Dr O than the actual fulfillment would be right now and she seems like the kind of person who is determined to “win”.
Also, we maintain she is uber intelligent for having a doctorate. Yes of course a total moron can’t academically get to a PhD or MD or DO or whatever.. But I will tell you a doc I work with got his phone calculator out to subtract 20% from a mean blood pressure in a hypertensive emergency. We all have vacant minded moments and it did amuse me so I made fun of him:) He’s new. He actually hated me for awhile because I was kinda rude to him but he’s since forgiven me.
It’s hard to be smart all the damn time.
Lorelei
See…I wanted to make a joke there, but I didn’t want to start a war. It’s hard feeling censored all the damn time.
Ba hahahaha
Make a joke! I’m not one for war—but love dear NA.
We will soon find out . Very exciting .
I need to read Alastar to get ahead.
Friends, it’s “Alastor” and I’m just saying because the name matters, not because I’m being picky.
Yes it does
Sorry Sweetest Perfection typo !
Oh, don’t apologize, Pati. It’s my way of pointing out that there’s some important info there without spoilers. I love the suspense HG is building so far!
SP same here!
I expect that this man can have whoever he wants feeling and thinking and doing whatever he wants, regardless of any morals or steadfast dedication they might have. Under the onslaught of the sheer will and force of an intelligent and perseverant predator, your only hope would be to bore him so he leaves off and hope he doesn’t turn to torture for your treachery of being boring.
That’s pretty much it in a nutshell, seballerina.
I certainly can’t imagine HG mirroring boredom.
HG, I’m going to challenge you here. Therapists have many reasons for asking certain questions and exploring your reactions. Is it possible that your narcissism is causing you to perceive that Dr O is jealous of your intimate partner when she actually isn’t? Could her style of questioning and reactions to you mean something else? I’m not saying you’re wrong, she may in fact be jealous and/or attracted to you (if that’s what you’re implying). But it may be something to consider.
Had she told you previously to just come into her office? If not, you demonstrated a considerable sense of entitlement and lack of boundary recognition when you entered her office without knocking. You also showed grandiosity in expecting that she wouldn’t be doing anything other than waiting for you. I wonder if she picked up on any of this.
All interesting observations, Kaydiva3, thank you. You will find out by continuing to read.
The reel of my thoughts is turning and repeating again and again on this one HG. The intricacy of this situation is intriguing.
1) I await further information as to whether there is a prevailing sense of wisdom from Dr O to protect her professional interests.
2) I wait with interest to discover the extent to which the SM is aware of the dynamic with Dr O – is the strategy of triangulation as effective at home as it is while playing away at therapy?
Question….Is Dr E aware of the aforementioned dynamic of Dr O’s ‘professional’ relationship with you HG?
You will have to keep reading to find out.
HG,
The bonus material Alastor says 2.00 US reading in the post. Yet Paypal is charging 4.00. Is this a mistake on PayPal?
No, it is only charging US $ 2. Have you ordered it twice by mistake?
HG. you are correct. I did not actually order it twice it was just in the cart 2 times. Sorry………
You are welcome.
HG…….OMG. Brillant!!!! I have ordered extra wine and cheese for this “adventure”. You may have out done yourself….
Thank you. It will blow your minds – in several ways all of them useful.
Great plan, Kim e!
You are worth more than 2 bucks goofball.
I know I am worth more but I’m enabling people to be able to learn something very important indeed for a very small cost. Let’s see how many are willing to make such a small contribution to learn something significant
If it’s a learning opportunity I’ll buy it. I can swing the 2 bucks. I assumed it was just a story of lust and that I’m less inclined to care for. Can you make me meaner? Effectively so? That’s all I want!
Lust? Way off.
I’ll buy it ok ok.
Buy 50 and share the excitement
Would that be fiddy dolla times 2?
Yup
HG—this is a very nice “weekend” gift to give. Not a holiday or birthday as is not the middle to higher end David Yurman stuff, I know it’s not shopping with the whatever on here, but I really think these cable bracelets would break up the monotony a bit.. Take a peak. This is excellent with a casual outfit and small silver earrings.. It’s an easy and thoughtless accessory.
https://www.davidyurman.com/products/womens/womens-bracelets/x-bracelet-with-14k-gold-b04914-s4.pdp.html
Thank you.
You are quite welcome HG. Also—attached are the appropriate earrings to coordinate and the really awesome thing is that you don’t give the earrings on the same weekend! You do it a weekend later! You stagger in with a little charm and blissful joy and say, “Oh I just had to..” The first tiny gift bag is to be a higher end end silver with a floral design. No card needed but cream roses are customary for such a divine little piece. (The cable design is what David Yurman is recognized for and all women will know it.) The following weekend you use a teal gift bag with the earrings enclosed and encased in the customary Yurman packaging. No flowers needed this time—it’s all about the teal gift bag being a bit spicier than the silver more elegant design of the week prior. By adding these earrings you aren’t dictating how to accessorize but simply suggesting a complimentary match and each item is great alone or in tandem. You listen carefully to what I tell you.
https://www.davidyurman.com/products/womens/womens-earrings/cable-stud-earrings-19mm-e14515-ss.pdp.html
Lorelei,
The 2.00 is for the extra material titled Alastor. Excellent read…very interesting.
Indeed and thank you.
Moth to the flame aka unempowered Empath.
Makes sense to me, Joy&Love.
I enjoy all of the details from your walk in and through the office. Learning from you too that what would be nervous dread, anxiety and apprehension to me is a relished challenge and game to you. I kind of cringe to hear about Dr O’s teenager-like antics as I’m sure they’ll be too familiar to me, but still I can’t wait for more.
Thank you for your observations, Kel2day.
Very interesting. Is Dr. O also a narcissist? I love this unfolding story.
What do you think?
Re: Is Dr O a narcissist
She has shown poor boundary recognition and a sense of entitlement, some signs of grandiosity and potentially magical thinking with regards to what she has planned for you. There appears to be a certain need for control as well, although I’m not sure if it is exuberant since she let’s you walk into her office without knocking, for example. On the other side, nothing hints at her acting in an empathic manner. While that could be due to the nature of your interactions, an Empath would not be able to hide their Instinctive Emotional Empathy from you.
Interesting observations Desiree. Keep reading.
Interesting observation about not expecting a knock on the door. It is a must. It’s always professional this way.
I always knock on the door and yes that is professional ,maybe they texted each other and HG told Dr. O I am coming in your office right now . We don’t know the details yet we will wait what Alastor has for us.
All that I’m seeing now in the dynamic is the pride, jealousy, envy and selfishness of the empath shining the brightest. These women prolly never knew they had these emotions inside of them. Pretty neat. Not a narcissist I swear! Just realizing how my own emotions betray me. Treasonous.
Jess
Interesting to point that out. I’m over here all “kmt” and “smh” at Dr O’s blindness and unprofessionalism, meanwhile I was ensnared by a much less interesting and articulate narc – KNOWING he was (at the very least) a self absorbed ass right out the gate. It’s amazing how our narc traits can be awakened and brought to the forefront at just the right times.
Dearest HG: My goodness. Does Dr O know that you know that she is enamored with you? And jealous?Can you prove it? Do you know why Dr O is still single? Could you seduce Dr O if you wanted to? Would it take a long time? Is Dr O an acquaintance of Matrinarc? An admirer of Matrinarc? Do you think Dr O has ever entangled intimately with a client? Is she probably an Empath Savior type? Does Dr O know what SM looks like? I do not follow instagram, so I do not know the basics of SM like many of the readers on here. Is Dr O on your Facebook and Instagram as well as on this site? Does Dr O want to meet SM? Does Dr O tell you that you have the right to see your medical reports that she writes about you? Has she given you an official diagnosis? Is an official diagnosis possible? Does she work with the other good doctors on a team and do they corroborate the info that they obtain from you? Do they have a fail safe for themselves regarding you that you can find out about somehow? Do you have a fail safe for yourself regarding them and your protection, in case they perform malpractice with you in some manner? Do you keep a personal diary on these good doctors? I hope so. HG, I want you to also be: Outnumbered, but not Outgunned. Does Dr O have a course of action that is supposed to have some result that she can measure according to a relative timeframe? Is this therapy supposed to go on for the rest of your life with no end in sight? If so, you have made peace with this? Is an official diagnosis a legal matter in your country? Is there a way you can give us more info. on Dr. O.? Does she read this site? Does she want you to marry SM officially on the record. Would that marriage mean you are a success to everyone involved? I have so so so many questions, that I will stop here, and this is just for starters…I feel alarmed over it all. You, the Good Doctors, Your Family, the SM and the Reality of your life. It is a bit much. It seems they (the good doctors and your family, the family members that are in unison about this treatment) all have nothing to lose and everything to gain in treating you. Do you think you will reach the point that nothing is left for you to learn from the good doctors? The thrill is gone? What then? I have no trust in these people. I see the situation as follows: somehow you are in a double bind, Even If You Enjoy It. But, a double bind is not fair. Not fair at all.
You shall find out as you read on.
Dearest HG: I just ordered Alastor on Paypal. It says, shipped to: (My name and address). and I was given the following confirmation:
Receipt number: 886148720260047. HG did I just buy material that you are having mailed to me? What have I bought?
Nothing is mailed to you in the traditional sense, that is PayPal´s message. I have emailed you the bonus material.
Dearest HG: I have the email on Alastor. Thank you. Stunning. So visual. I relate. I have questions. How can we ask questions without Spoiling the info for others??? I hate Spoilers, myself! I will refrain until I see how all this is all going to work. I always have wondered about your world, as you know. This is an intimate view and I appreciate it so much. More than I can express. Thank you.
Don’t ask the question if it reveals bonus material.
Dearest HG: I hate spoilers. So I will not ask such questions to spoil it for others, of course, but I was just wondering how this all is going to play out. Maybe I am too hyped up. I seem to get hyped up and intense whenever you are dealing with the good doctors, in any fashion whatsoever. I feel that one should have one’s own attorney sit with them during each session scheduled with the good doctors. I am not a fan of them. How in the world did good doctors obtain so much authority in society. Anyway, I shall calm down and remember that patience is a virtue. And, I shall repeat to myself that you are an Ultra, and you got this, and I have nothing to worry about, for yourself, largely. I enjoyed the Big Little Lies experience, but that was about actors, playing other people. This is about real people acting within their own lives. It’s very intense for me. An amazing learning experience for me as a non-mental practitioner background person, as well. A real inside look at so many dynamics. I hope there will be more throughout on Alastor. Fascinating.
Maybe she is fantasizing having sex with you on her desk lol.
Now now Pati, are you projecting again?!
Yes ,I think I am thinking dirty. My N is withdrawing sex from me lately .
Wowa Pati went there! Nice!! I mean what woman wouldn’t have that fantasy?
Not the best place to have regardless who is on top. Sore back as an added bonus.
Claire, it doesn’t need to be literally “on” the desk. You can use the desk as a prop, maybe for support while you lay over and… ok I’m gonna stop here. Why are we imagining this?
SP we have a huge imagination that’s why. All good
I’ve always had a desk fetish, Pati. Hahaha.
I actually have ! Uncomfortable though lol !!!!!
Ugh—soft beds are best sweetest. With nice bedding.
Spot on SP🙂! I can humbly suggest to consider the armchairs as well:)
Dr O could write some clinical notes afterwards.
And if she has a chaise lounge instead, the possibilities are endless!
I was thinking the same, SP😊!
Claire,yes and the notes she was making on HG flies everywhere around the room. Important documents. Dr. O dirty little secret .
Lol, Pati:) spot in about the notes flying everywhere ( although I am sure HG will tidy them up and even proof reading once the session is over ).
Just imagine Dr O dancing around like this , as a warm up of course, courtesy to Carmen Electra dancing videos:
https://youtu.be/GHf5xgqulzY
Ah, so that is what Dr O has been watching, I am obliged for the intel.
I assume the doctor sits for prolonged periods whilst consulting her patients. Any extended sitting could be harmful.
Thus, the suggested simple and cheerful dance routine. The impact of movement can be profound.
Kinda workplace health and wellbeing program.
Of course it doesn’t substitute any other sport activity or a gym class after work.
Carmen Electra, hahaha.
Hahahaha thanks for sharing HG,now all Dr. O needs in her office is a dancing pole !
That would be hilarious Claire!
Mercy ,we have needs to right .I love to see some action.
Pati,
Good Girl. Now you are catching on!!!!!!!!!
Kim, thank you ! We need to read some lust from HG hopefully soon.
“Does she want you to marry SM officially on the record? Would that marriage mean you are a success to everyone involved?”
PSE,
I love all your questions here but these two are my favorite. I never considered them as a theory, but positive answers seem quite plausible.
As for “trust,” the only thing I trust is that HG is well in control as hero-villain of this story.
Lisk: Remember, marriage has always been forced on many people, both men and women, throughout history for one reason or the next, by parents, and even by certain professions and social clubs. However, when I say I distrust these people that HG is dealing with, I am greatly understating the matter. I even distrust SM. Could she handle the truth? I am sure she can. Will she respond to HG in the same manner if she knew all the truth, even the amount that we do think we know about him? I say, No. For a while, she will pretend to respond the same–Out of principle to prove how open minded and how high minded she is,especially since she told him that she loves him, and real love is a permanent construct, and she knows this. But, that sort of pretense becomes tiring and wears thin, after a while. Will she still stay with him? Sure. Will the relationship stay the same? I say, no. He knows her best and I am sure he knows how far to go on his own timing in his relationship with SM. She is in love with the man as she knows him and thinks of him and fantasizes of him. She could become more and more sullen over time, with too much info. Over a past that he can not change: What good is that? I say, he tells her nothing at all or very little at most. That is why peoples` brains and thoughts are inside of their heads before they use their mouths to talk to others. That is why people prefer to live inside and in private homes. So that we generally have some control over what we say and allow others to know and allow others to see. I saw this movie once that influenced me a bit regarding my post here called: `A History of Violence` with the Danish actor: Viggo Mortensen. This is a PSE approved movie. I found the couple`s dynamic interesting. That is all I will say in case someone has not seen the movie. My advice is no ` Policy of Truth ` for HG in his personal intimate life. He has the right to use his own discretion and to protect himself. This is my highly personal argument on his behalf: He has that right to tell or not tell according to his worldview and survival needs, just like everyone else has, although many others, for some reason, love to tell HG to `Tell All` to intimate partners. Not good. He would have to face all the consequences. And not the people that give him such advice. And when and if the probable fallout and backlash happens and spreads against him, if he were to now, tell all, or, tell a lot to his intimate partner/s, where will the people be then, that tell HG to `tell all`? crickets… He has to be very very very careful with ALL of these people. It is quite a balancing act. And that is an understatement.
As I read HG Tudor’s work, the only thing that I am *pro-HG* about is that he continue describing his behaviors and his intentions–and to keep doing so in this anonymous format–so that I can continue to learn.
I do not have hopes, good or bad, for HG or any of the people involved throughout his work, because I cannot know the whole story, since: 1) he is a narc and I am only getting a narc perspective; and, 2) I do not have anyone else’s perspective on things from their own mouths or pens or keyboards.
As for ‘A History of Violence,’ I love that movie, as well as ‘Eastern Promises,’ mainly because, well . . . VIGGO!
Lisk: I heard of Eastern Promises. I put it on my list of movies to watch. Thank you. I watched a History of Violence again last night, to see if I still would recommend it, and I still do. And as far as hearing the other side of the story of the women that HG entangles with, I hear that side of the story and perspectives practically every day on here, including my own story, so I can balance it out somewhat. And I do believe that there are Golden Periods with these sources and I do believe he is wounded when humdrum behaviour sets in with these sources, and because he has to sustain himself, He has mirrored them and has done his best to give them their possibly girlish and more often womanly dreams in order to bind them to himself. What more could they want from a man. Then they become used to that behavior, because people become used to things, no matter the effort involved to bind them. Some behave better than others in his view, I am sure. I believe that anyone he entangles with will face some sort of devaluation when they begin to `slack off` or when they become comfortable in the relationship and take everything for granted and when they fail him, etc. more than they would face from normal or empathic men. I also believe him that it is in his benefit to be more pro social, because that is in the benefit of all people at certain points and circumstances. Remember, we do have skin in this game from our own experiences, and rarely do we ever receive both sides of a story accurately, even when we know the parties involved. Even if we do not think they have unusual survival mechanisms. He tells us how his kind thinks and how they act, and that there are even a few blind spots and magical thinking along with the calculations and instincts, with all of his kind and more so with some than with others usually depending on the school and cadre. And, I do want him to figure out, even if it is just a little bit,to not feel insulted or wounded by people as much as he does (we often do not know what we do and how it makes a person feel, even though some of us are labeled as empaths) and I do want him to figure out a bit more how to not depend on his sources as much in his offline life,even if it is by utilizing this blog more for its tertiary merits also, because people can be quite tiresome at times, and will offend,and I include myself in this observation. A tiny tiny tiny bit at a time. Day by day. So, here we all are.
Princess—I recall you are in NYC—I need a few dinner suggestions for a nice dinner close to JFK please. Steak or seafood as the premium attribute—no chain though but a local place that is moderately expensive but not ridiculous. Any ideas? Business casual dress, good drinks. May go into Manhattan too so suggestions are appreciated. Haven’t been in the city for awhile and had Italian last time or some awful food in China town.. Traveling in a few weeks and we elected for a night spent in the city. Thanks!
If what you’re sensing is true of Dr O, then I am really disgusted by her gross lack of professionalism.
How long do we have to wait for the prequel?
Not long.
Agree Joanne.
Made me not lose the perspective that HG is a N. A very highly functioning N. A N that helps lots of people BUT is still a N.
Kinda “ Tender Is the Night” triangle Dick -Nicole – Tommy reversed to Dr O -HG ( sans marriage) – SM .
I assume Dr O is jealous because
a) she is a human being thus nothing controversial to be attracted to a patient.
b) she was not given the promotion – she did the job, i. e. encouraging HG to behave in a different manner ( pro social) but the rewards for her efforts were given to SM. It hurt her – she could kill 2 birds with one stone – dating a successful, handsome man and being famous as the professional who cured NPD . The latter will advance her career with all associated benefits.
But back to point a) – the conflict, the moral dilemma between being a professional and being a woman outside working hours . It is absolutely No no in Australia for any doctor to be engaged in an intimate relationship with a patient.
The doctor will be suspended and even prosecuted.
No idea of the professional code of conduct in UK , might be OK to date a patient as far as the treatment is over and the doctor is no longer engaged professionally with the patient.
Very interesting.
To be honest, I was really impressed that my ex boyfriend ( the one between the 2 Narcs) was very keen to speak my native language and even using Google translator to text in Cyrillic . It always worked like a charm. Perhaps the dear doctor might be delighted to be greeted in her native language in another visit.
Claire
You made an excellent point with regard to Dr O killing two birds with one stone, had she succeeded. This must have crossed her mind at some point, even though it is unrealistic and leads to her acting in an entirely unprofessional, almost childish manner like referring to HG and SMs travels as “adventures”. Even if nothing sexual has happened, by my country’s standarts, Dr O has already overstepped her bounds. She tries to maintain a false image of superiority by not inquiring where HG gets his information from, something which could pose potential dangers for her and is dishonest about her feelings considering the interactions with her patient, acting for her own ulterior motives, rather that considering that she might be ill-suited to working with this particular patient.
I couldn’t agree more, Desiree! Whatever Dr O’s motivation is , looks like she crossed the boundaries and being unprofessional and unethical.
And being dismissive ( indirectly) to SM doesn’t make her any favour – I refer how she calls HG ‘s and SM’s trips/ holidays “ adventures”. Being bitchy makes her look more than desperado rather then femme fatale.
Dating patients is a really dumb idea anywhere! In over 20 years I’ve never seen a good outcome in a genre of work requiring licensure.
Absolutely! But the patient ( I) always had ahem, inappropriate thoughts when she saw one particular doctor . I am healthy , just some minor ailments or tests.
We are humans at the end🙂
Same Claire. Doctors shouldn’t be allowed to be hot. Haha
Thank god my doctors are not good looking,makes going into the gynecologist a lot easier lol.
Some are hot MB. My last Gyn was but I could not view him that way. It got annoying to have comments like, “how can you see him..” I can shut that stuff off like a switch. What I’m learning to do here is shut off attraction to bad men. It’s why I’m here. And how to diminish the impact of my emotional thinking to improve my successes. (Friends, personal interactions, work..)
The impacts have been substantial and it’s the only reason I’m working my ass off. There WILL be new and improved versions of my life to come. I’ll never waste my time (at least for long) in a narcissist again—unless it suits my aims for some reason. It’s about me now. Can HG pull this off? No one can.
MB, he is like a model – 6’5”-6’7” , no less ( I am tall and he is quite taller than me) , clean shave, broad shoulders, small hip and long legs, blue eyes) . Add to the model look the title MD and.. sadly, he is not into ladies 😢. Such a loss,I am serious .
This is going to be an awesome series. The women WANT you and the men want to BE you. Why, HG? Alpha male? Pure charm? The casting of your spells?
All of the above, MB.Plenty more to come which will provide insight in lots of different ways, alongside the bonus material also.
I’m paid and ready to read. I can’t resist!
Remember, this is his perspective. He’s viewing this through the lenses of a narcissist. H.G is self aware and overly intelligent about narc behaviours. Lest us not forget they see things completely opposite than non narcissistic people. She’s a professional and trust a lot of them cross the line, I know first hand. I recently had to rescind a contract for house work due to a lesser stating he could discern I liked him because the way I looked at him. Geesh, I almost said the look was probably of disgust or glee because I figured out you are a lesser narc after the 2nd meeting.
Such a tease. Looking forward to more.
Plenty more to come, NA.
NA—I’ve been trying to get you over here to organize my cupboards!
Who is Alastor? Did you just monetize my noseyness?
No, just my brilliance.
HG is brilliant to tantalize us and make us want to pay for more. It’s a tiny price for such entertainment and information. He SHOULD be paid for this writing. It’s not in a book we can purchase. Why should we get it for free? Whether this is true or fiction, it’s spellbinding. Staying tuned…
Indeed. My comment was to indicate that I felt called out for being so thirsty for additional information. I have no trouble paying for anything that you graciously provide us with.
Most gracious and accurate.
HG, this is simply brilliant. I’m enjoying it so much, and you almost made me choke on my coffee when you entered that room reciting Shelley, hahahaha!!! Let’s open Alastor’s portal. I love that hypertext, you’re making my Friday!
I insist, even more so now: you are brilliant. This is like living inside a story by Borges!!!
Thank you SP. You will get answers to burning questions, you will be intrigued and most importantly this will assist your learning about me, my kind and helping yourselves.
This is a place of knowledge about narcissism. The best there is.
The best indeed. I know it’s about narcissism but as we all have said numerous times, we learn many other things at the same time. And you are a great writer, which helps keep our attention.
The perfect package and you all benefit. Thank you for the compliments.
Sweetest—you said once that this opened a portal of self discovery and I use this phrase. Thank you for the articulate summation of our work here. You are a joy here.
Thank you so much dear Lorelei ❤️ This blog and everyone in it is a joy to me too.
Walking to avoid traffic, hence… the nice calves. 😊 H.G. I always come running back when I attract a new narc.
H.G. I am sure Alastor is a great read. But, I will pass and send a donation to your Angel project in honor of National Domestic Violence month. Your writing skills are exceptional and like good wine you are getting better with time.
I am forever grateful to you.
Thank you.
So true, Sweetest Perfection. Like being inside a garden of forking paths.
Or discovering the Aleph. I’m glad to see you like Borges too, Lisk. He’s one of my favorite short-story writers. Now I’m fascinated by this new one, what’s his name… something Tudor.
Jolly good.
indeed, why? she is perfectly aware of your condition and knows for sure that any sort of romantic entanglement with you will end with the other party suffering, No offense Mr.HG but if i come to meet you in real life, i will run fast and far.
Sensible, but if you are coming to meet me, as you write, Liza, it is already too late.
Haha HG. “If you are
coming to meet me it is too late.” Whatever! Beautiful writing—you inspire creativity with your fluidity of words. It’s a fun story for me to wake up to today. Thank you dearly for making the learning of narcissism fun. I don’t feel a lot of jealousy—I know you may not believe this but I maintain my disdain toward my ex’s IPPS is her behavior and impact on the children. I think maybe it’s clear enough. I can see wanting someone for attention over another yes, but I tend to just appreciate other women (especially beauty) and I don’t know what the actual triangulation shenanigans are that you dwell upon but I imagine whatever you do it amuses you. The fuel from such endeavors will probably always vary depending on the players and their unique bandwidths of traits that contribute. One thing I’m certain of is that I’m glad you are polite here. I really think you would want to be polite everywhere. Would it not be beneath you to behave like an imbecile? Why the reference to polite if there is another shade of behavior at times? Isn’t it more effective to stab someone in the back without a frown? You’ve said before that you think, “I’ll get you later..” (when someone plays in your park)—I’d like more of that please for myself. Let’s get me someone there.. I need to be stronger.
Thank you
I meant to say “get me somewhere there” (along the lines of thinking “I’ll get you later) which wounding is usually the goal
right? Ignoring is powerful isn’t it? Simple tactic.
HG—do you triangulate instinctively at times or is this always calculated for you?
I operate with some instinct, but the bulk of my operations are calculated.
Yes but are the remaining more instinctive behaviors more associated with some manipulations vs. others? Are some more natural and more challenging to rise to awareness?
Yes.
GAME OVER : HG 1, LIZA 0
“coming to meet me” that sounds dangerous and tempting all at the same time. If you could only meet someone and see them as a teaching tool, use them to show the rest what happens when a narc meets an empath. Explain the fuel you get from sweaty palms, leg crossing and eye constriction.
It goes back to the story of the ct and the curiosity… and we all know how that one ends.
Well done for recognising different ways that fuel is generated.
Meeting him would feel like facing the end bosse in a video game, or a vailain in a manga or an anime, but in animes and mangas vailains always end up having a good core, sometimes they even join the protagonist. Do you have a good core dear Mr.HG?
No Liza, I have no core.
HG “me” either . Lol
Mysteryeyes0120. I am up to be experimented on to show you what happens when a Narc meets an empath. I would just love that. Pick me! Pick me, HG! What is eye constriction, mysteryeyes? Did your eyes constrict often? I hope mine would. Sounds fun.