The Dirty Empath – Infidelity
The Empath. Regarded as a paragon of virtue with those traits of honesty, decency, compassion, love devotee, moral compass and so on. All of which make the empath and their fuel output tempting prey for us. Yet within these virtuous empathic traits sit other traits, narcissistic traits.
There are four schools of empath (Standard, Super, Co-Dependent and Contagion) . Layered on to these schools are the empathic cadres (such as Magnet, Carrier and Geyser).
Each empath within the relevant school has both empathic and narcissistic traits. Some will have a small number of strong empathic traits with few narcissistic traits which are low in strength. Some will have many empathic traits which are moderate in strength and have few or numerous narcissistic traits which are all very low in strength. Some will have many empathic traits which are strong and numerous narcissistic traits which are moderate or even quite strong. The key consideration is that, in effect, the empathic traits keep the narcissistic ones ‘in check’ and thus the empathic individuals behave in a way which is empathic with other people.
There are however two main instances when the narcissistic traits come to the fore. The first is through The Empathic Supernova which is when the empathic traits become ‘dialled down’ or eroded for a temporary time and thus the narcissistic traits come to the fore. The second instance is a permanent state of affairs and this is the class of the Dirty Empath. The individual is empathic, of that there is no doubt, they have those empathic traits, they also have narcissistic traits too, however one of those narcissistic traits remains strong and prominent throughout and sits alongside the fewer, weaker narcissistic traits and the various empathic traits of varying strength. This does not mean this person is a narcissist, not at all. It does not mean that this person is not an empath. What it means is that they are an empath but there is one (sometimes there might be more) narcissistic trait which ‘dirties’ their empathic status. Think of the empath coloured white with a black streak running through them.
This class of Dirty Empath has various streaks which appertain to the relevant narcissistic trait which prevails and this includes the streak of infidelity.
Thus where the empath is already in a romantic relationship, whether living together,boyfriend and girlfriend or married and they embark on a romantic, sexual relationship outside of that relationship, their narcissistic trait of infidelity has risen to the surface and remained there. What has caused that to happen? As ever, it is a symbiotic equation.
From the empath’s side there is something not right within their existing relationship which means that the narcissistic trait comes to the fore.
For instance, let us take the example whereby the spouse of the empath is either an empath or a normal and has become impotent and/or has no interest in sex any more. All else is well within the relationship – they care for the empath, they pull their weight around the home, they are a good parent, they have a decent job and so on. All is largely well, save for the issue of sexual relations. In such a situation, the empathic spouse has the following choices:-
- Recognise that all else is well within the relationship, that sex is but one facet (albeit an important one) and accept that it is better to have all of the other good elements of the relationship and therefore not seek to damage the relationship or hurt their spouse by seeking sexual interaction outside of the marriage. This is the response of an empath who has no dirty streak of the narcissistic trait of infidelity;
- As above save that the empath regards sex as so significant that they need it yet they do not want to hurt their spouse. Accordingly, they seek their spouse’s blessing to seek sex outside of the marriage but otherwise want nothing more external to the relationship. This is the response of an empath who has the narcissistic trait of infidelity but it is not so strong as to amount to a dirty streak;
- As per point one, save that the empath craves sexual interaction and knows it can only be achieved outside of the relationship. They therefore seek out sexual encounters with other people but have no desire to leave the existing relationship. This individual’s narcissistic dirty streak has risen to the fore and governed the behaviour of this particular empath.
With regard to this third element it remains relatively rare that the empath will do this unilaterally because their traits of guilt, honesty, decency and compassion will fight against the desire to accommodate the narcissistic desire of infidelity. If the narcissistic trait is very strong, the empath may still seek out these encounters and have them with normal people, an empath in a similar position to their own or find a narcissist.
What happens more often than not in this third situation is that the empath spouse has been targeted by our kind.
An empath with no narcissistic streak of infidelity (or a very low one) will resist the sexual overtures of the narcissist. They may remain as a Non Intimate Secondary Source to the narcissist. It is highly unlikely they would be targeted to begin with in any event by the narcissist.
An empath with a narcissistic streak of infidelity, which is greater than very low, will succumb to the overtures of the narcissist and find themselves engaged in an affair, breaking their wedding vows, breaching the trust of their partner and becoming sucked in to the world of the narcissist. If the narcissistic streak of infidelity is very strong, the empath may even have sought out (unconsciously) the narcissist.
Combine the narcissistic streak of infidelity in the Dirty Empath and a narcissist and infidelity is a given. How this pans out very much depends on the desires and wants of the narcissist. Please see the latter part of The Married Target as to how we are drawn to those who are married and are thus susceptible to our overtures. We may want the empath to become our IPPS and thus they are designated the role of Candidate IPSS as we love bomb them and lure them away from their spouse using our range of manipulations in the way that is described in ‘The Married Target’. It may be the case that both Dirty Empath and narcissist are content with an arrangement whereby the Dirty Empath is a Shelf IPSS and sees the narcissist intermittently and is treated as a friend with benefits, side person or mistress. Both parties are content with this. The narcissist gains in accordance with The Prime Aims and the Dirty Empath scratches that itch for sex outside of the marriage (coupled with the excitement that accords with it) but keeps their own relationship intact.
Sometimes the Dirty Empath becomes the Dirty Little Secret and is content with that arrangement also.
Note however that whether the Dirty Empath is a Candidate IPSS, Shelf IPSS or Dirty Little Secret, this is always at the behest and control of the narcissist. The Dirty Empath may willingly embrace the dynamic (unaware of course that they are with a narcissist and what their role is) as it fulfils the desires of the narcissistic trait of infidelity.
The issue arises however when the Dirty Empath wants to remain in the role of Shelf IPSS or DLS but the narcissist wants the empath to become the IPPS. Battle is joined to pull the Dirty Empath in the direction the narcissist requires with all of the drama, triangulation and heartache that follows. The problem for the Dirty Empath is that having allowed themselves to be governed by the narcissistic streak of infidelity they have already trampled over their partner and the narcissist knows this. In the same way you cannot get a little bit pregnant, you cannot be a little bit unfaithful, you either are not or you are.
Where the Dirty Empath has hitherto enjoyed being the Shelf IPSS or DLS, keeping this activity secret from their partner and enjoying all the other benefits of the best of both worlds, it is the narcissist who ultimately calls the tune and if he or she wants that Dirty Empath in a different role, the narcissist will strive to make it happen. If the Dirty Empath will not accord with the change of allocated role then he or she can expect their partner to be told of their infidelity and invariably the narcissist will have evidence (photos, film, documentary evidence of hotel trysts, oral testimony from Lieutenants) to use against the Dirty Empath. If the threat of release of this material does not persuade the Dirty Empath to submit to the whim of the narcissist, then it will be released. The hitherto painted white Dirty Empath will be painted black, they will be devalued prior to dis-engagement and their own existing relationship with spouse or partner will be the prime target of the narcissist for the purposes of causing its destruction and spreading misery. The need to punish the disobedient Dirty Empath and the significant fuel available (negative fuel from IPSS, negative fuel from secondary/tertiary cuckolded spouse, negative fuel from secondary/tertiary sources allied with said spouse and/or Dirty Empath, positive fuel from loyal secondary/tertiary sources to the narcissist) means that the chances of the Dirty Empath being ‘let off’ are virtually nil.
The Dirty Empath may find they can keep their own infidelity quiet for some time, remain as a DLS or Shelf IPSS and enjoy an elongated golden period with the narcissist, but they have no control over that. If it continues that way, this is purely down to the approach of the narcissist. There remains a risk that the narcissist will wish to change the dynamic and with that comes significant consequences for the playing away Dirty Empath, his or her spouse, partner and family.
Those who “give in” to their narcissistic trait (and this is usually because a narcissist has ‘sniffed out’ this Dirty Empath will eventually end up suffering.
This happens in the following circumstances :-
- The DE is DLS or Shelf IPSS for some time and then the narcissist wants to promote them to Candidate IPSS and then IPPS, but the DE does not want this as this will blow open their infidelity;
- The DE is DLS or Shelf IPSS for some time and then the narcissist decides to dis-engage against the will of the DE;
- The DE wants to become the IPPS of the narcissist, but the narcissist does not want this to happen;
- The DE wants to become the IPPS of the narcissist, achieves this, leaves their former spouse with all of the attendant heartache that causes and then enjoys a golden period with their newly acquired (but unrecognised) narcissist. Of course you know what is coming next don’t you? Yes, the DE IPPS is then devalued and dis-engaged from. Their narcissistic streak of infidelity has seen them lured from an otherwise satisfying relationship, drawn by the golden allure of the unrecognised narcissist only for that to collapse and now they find themselves alone, rejected and often hated by narcissist and the cuckolded spouse they once had.
The Dirty Empath with the narcissistic streak of infidelity who becomes ensnared by our kind is only heading for misery. They do not have the lack of remorse, lack of conscience or lack of guilt that allows us to drive ever forward. Instead they are left to rue the consequences of this narcissistic trait being intensified and exploited by our kind.
Further articles will follow concerning the various streaks of the Dirty Empath.
57 thoughts on “The Dirty Empath – Infidelity”
Im number three but didnt seek out a relationship. I wasnt on a site to actively meet but that is what happened. The narc before was living here at the time when wed met. Ive never considered myself having an infidelity trait. I know if i had a marriage that had affection and intimacy i would never be involved outside the marriage. I take blame for not taking control of aspects of my marriage and life. I probably shouldve left except i do love my hubby. Were just very incompatible in the intimacy dept. I need that passion and physical aspect. I need to feel desired and enjoy sex. I cant ever imagine being #1 and accepting a relationship with no intimacy and #2 id never ask for an open relationship.
I never set out to be a dirty empath and dont consider this a permanent trait in my life. If in the future i am in a fully intimate relationship i would be faithful to that person.
General opinion: from the moralizing and sanctimonious comments that some of you have posted, it is obvious that you don’t need to cheat to be low, dirty, and full of shit. Congratulations to all of you who insult other empaths (considering your are empaths, which is not very clear to me at this point). We are not pigs or cheap or anything you have said here. Now leave this thread to which you don’t belong and move to the one fit for you: Utter Disgust.
SP I couldnt have worded it better myself!
Pati thanks. Inadvertently, I commented about not being a pig because I took your Peppa Pig comment the wrong way but I know you didn’t mean it with a bad intention, sorry! I know you’re not in the Inquisition group, it was a quick misreading because I was furious. I’m very sensitive to this topic for obvious reasons.
No worries SP, I completely understand. That’s why we are on this blog to support and listen to each each other !
Besides My daughter loves watching Peppa Pig.
Big Hugs xoxo
Peppa Pig is cute.
So is George . I wonder if Daddy Pig Is A Narc?
I just know Peppa Pig, Pati, not the whole pig cast. Haha! But now I’m intrigued.
SP ,you should check it out lol They have HG british voice accents.
Daddy Pig is definitely not a narcissist. He’s a complete doormat. His entire family just walks on him!
Hahaha your right ! He also thinks he is the expert but makes mistakes. Let’s see is HG Pedro the pony,or Grandpa pig? Lol
Neither. I am HG.
Of course you are naturally the one and only !
Bye Felicia 👋🏼
You people are sick in the head. I’m so glad I’m not like you.
Who are sick in the head ?
They are sick in the head and trying to provoke a reaction.
Hey Lala, I’m sewing a big red A in my sleeve for you to see, the A of AWESOME. You just wish you could be like us.
No worries. You’re not like us. We’re vibrant, interesting, desirable and moist. All the things you’ll never be. You’re boring, bitter, uninteresting and dry as the Sahara because of it. No one wants to fuck you and that’s what’s got you on your knees huh Layla?
Lol nice come back NA,I know what movie she played in. High five !
I have never cheated on mine unless I divorce him then thats another issue . I don’t feel like being Peppa Pig jumping in those muddy puddles.
Snowflakes cheat on the daily and then use marriage and divorce to hide behind, playing the victim card.
Lala,, sorry j donf understand you
Hi Splinter. Why the name change?
at least i’m sure that i don’t fall in this category.
just the fact i fell in love with the wrong person made me feel like damaged goods and guilty toward the futur (and the good) person i will love , and the narc didn’t even get my first kiss.
so cheating is totaly beyond my abilities, i can’t begin to imagine the selfcontrol and the calme it requires to do that.
Ah, this one still gives me goose bumps…. I’ve sat here for almost a year moaning about how confused and hurt I was. But to think of how terrible my consequences COULD have been?? 🙁 Life ruining.
I really hope there is more to come on the Dirty Empath, HG.
What’s filthy? Me??! LOL. We need some more DE material 😀
This is my article. Where all my DE-I seesters at? #narcsprinklesnomore
Checking in 🙋♀️
*raises hand* guilty as charged. But I’m reformed.
I’m here, sis 🙁 #guiltyascharged
I’m right here with you, babe!
Right here with you Sister!
I will never be that cheap or fall for clean narcissist tactics that try to give people STDs, which is part of what this is referring to….an egotistical narc ruining a relationship and trying to set up an empath for FAILURE because a narc wants what it can’t have so it will do sadistic shit like send overly pretty morally corrupt people to the empath to chip away at her loyalty with too good to be true type seduction dirty tactics
Lala, “Dirty” in this article isn’t referring to having STDs. It is referring to narcissistic traits. Never say never!
“I will never be that cheap…” lol congrats 🙄
Oh well, we weren’t blessed with living in Lala land.
Empaths have narcissistic traits as well.
I have never cheated but I dont know if my husband has so STD’s can happen to people that are faithful.
I hope you never get ensnared with a N because if you do you will never see it coming. We are trying to all heal from all of this . But you are entitled to your opinion.
What is a clean narcissist?
Me, NA. Ultra clean because nothing sticks to me.
Only us magnets.
Ahhhh. Teflon was how I was known at work for the same reason.
Bukkake studios NA?!
I’d never be the recipient, but I’m getting pretty good with my aim.
Sigh. I’m known as Velcro instead.
I thought it was Sticky Vicky.
HG!!!! I had to google her, wow. I don’t know if I’m more surprised of what she did during her show or of the fact you knew about it.
“Sticky Picky,” if anything…
And is it possible for those with this trait to rid themselves of it? Or is it too deeply engrained?
You cannot remove a trait.
God damn it!
Hi HG, does that mean the DE -being the IPPS- will allways be cheating on the Narcisist? How the narcissistic trait of infidelity is intensified and exploited by your kind?
Not always, CE, but the risk will always be there. The narcissistic trait of infidelity is exploited by the surge in Emotional Thinking which of course will only surge when a narcissist targets the DE. The narcissist in turn then exploits this characteristic, namely the susceptibility to infidelity (but not guarantee) caused by increased ET.