Johnny Depp v Amber Heard – Telephone Call Analysis


An audio recording of a conversation between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard has been released as part of the ongoing court action between the two former spouses. This recording attracted huge attention for what it revealed, but what you have heard and read about this call is merely the tip of the ice berg.

A very detailed analysis takes you line by line through the content of the telephone call to explain to you what is REALLY happening, what the words said actually mean, what their effect is and the RAW and UNCOMPROMISING explanation about this exchange. 

It will enlighten you, provide you with huge insight and cause you to reassess your views about their behaviour and experience you may have experienced. It is formidable and gripping reading and can be obtained using the link below.

If you want to understand, read on.

Depp v Heard – Telephone Call Analysis

95 thoughts on “Johnny Depp v Amber Heard – Telephone Call Analysis

  1. Melissa says:

    So what is the response now, in light of Depp having lost the case of libel in England?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      None. Does not change what she is.

      1. Bibi says:

        HG, do think had you met Amber in person before all this and she was lovebombing, you etc. that your Narc Detector would go off and you would just blow her off? Is there any literature you have written that points to how exactly you personally can tell the difference between a narcissist in the lovebombing phase (I have to believe you have had some come after you) vs. an empath approaching you? When they are inundating you with such fuel, as Amber would have done, how are you able you able to shrug her off? I would think that would be addicting for you. ‘One does not reject fuel,’ is something you once wrote in a comment.

        All the narcs in my life—every single one—approached me. Never the other way around. I don’t usually seek out, and the few times I initiated anything, it never worked.

        1. Bibi says:

          My apologies for my wordiness. I am a little high off the Biden win. 😛

        2. HG Tudor says:

          I would have spotted her yes and I would have utilised her appropriately on the basis that she is a narcissist. I can still take her fuel without making her my girlfriend.
          Yes, use the Early Warning Detector.
          It is usually the case, Bibi, that you will be approached by the narcissist, as we are drawn to you.

          1. JB says:

            ‘It is usually the case that you will be approached by the narcissist, as we are drawn to you’ – very true, HG. And we are equally drawn back! I actually recall saying to my narcissist that I had felt this strong draw towards him. It was like nothing I had ever experienced, like we knew each other already, so to speak. I am still not sure why I felt that way, I can only presume he gave off some kind of narc vibe which I was subconsciously used to – all I know is, it felt very familiar.

  2. Violetta says:


    Apparently, Amanda fe Casenet just heard about this recording you analyzed months ago:

    DM headline:
    EXCLUSIVE: MeToo activist Amanda de Cadenet drops support for close friend Amber Heard and will no longer testify after listening to her ‘verbally abusing’ Johnny Depp in bombshell tapes, as she feels ‘used and misled’ by actress

    Bit late to the party, but she’s made up for it by markling her BFF. (And yes, I referred DM readers to your analysis.)

    Pretty sure de Cadenet was BFFs with Madonna for a while. God, these people and their 5th-grade alliances….can’t even call them friendships.

  3. Violetta says:

    I don’t know what school/cadre she is, but she sounds like the thug wearing (and being) a wife-beater (sleeveless vest to Brits–considered vaguely low-class here): “Why do you keep reproaching me with stuff I said or did within the last 24 hours? That is so, like, yesterday. I can’t promise I won’t hit you again because I’m human, but don’t provoke me by walking away. I can’t understand why you don’t turn to me for help and comfort when I’m beating you.”

    1. Witch says:

      I would guess mid-lesser somatic ?

  4. Violetta says:

    To whoever bought 3 Interactions for me: may God, Cthulhu, Gaia, or small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri (whatever you believe in) bless you.

  5. Lion Heart says:

    Depp is the narc

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Why do you say that, Brombles?

      1. FYC says:

        HG, I have to admit I wondered this too, so I did a surface search. He has a long history of many relationships (2 marriages, 4 engagements, one live-in partner for 14 years who agreed to allow both “space to wander off when they choose,” plus other shorter term live-together relationships. A history of fighting with partners and exes. Alcoholism. Family disputes. Huge debt problems: ( Unpaid taxes resulting in liens he blame shifts to his advisors and others. According to the aforementioned link, Depp is perpetually late. He expects others to conform to his whims both professionally and personally. He demonstrates a sense of entitlement in numerous ways. And that finger cutting incident is in question per the same report, “Filming shut down at one point when Depp injured himself, slicing open his finger. That was pretty serious,” says Bruckheimer. Though many outlets reported the wound was the result of a booze-fueled marital dispute, Bruckheimer suggests otherwise. “We don’t really know. He got it caught in a car door, or he got it caught in a sliding door. I’ve heard a couple of versions.”

        Sorry to muddy the waters with this brief info on Depp. I have no doubt you are spot on about Heard, and I learned much from your analysis of their communication, but I wonder: Could it be narc on narc? Would appreciate your thoughts.

        1. FYC says:

          You might find these bits on Depp’s childhood (LOCE) interesting as well:

          Regarding to play guitar: “I found a way to escape all the, sort of, nightmare home stuff, you know? It was a pretty radical – a pretty unpredictable – household that I lived in. You never knew what was going to be coming next. It might be an ashtray thrown at your head. Or a shoe.”

          “At twelve he was smoking and drinking and breaking into school and destroying “just about anything I could.”

          “Johnny continued to run wild and says by the age of fourteen he had “tried just about any kind of drug there was”.

          His parents divorced when Depp was 15.

          “I could remember my parents fighting with us kids in the next room listening.” Johnny took on the responsibility of consoling his mother and making sure that she was in good spirits. “My mother took it pretty hard and I felt it was my job to take care of her emotionally” Johnny has said.”

        2. Narc Noob says:

          Narc on Narc. My thoughts too FYC

  6. MB says:

    I went to YouTube to listen to the conversation after I read HGs analysis. I am so pleased that commentators are actually using the words narcissist, abuser, and manipulator in this case. Is it beginning to take hold? I think this may be a key case where people can put biases aside and see what narcissism looks like in real life.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Interesting MB and good to read. I read a transcript from a major American news channel where this situation was being discussed and it was often inaccurate and in certain instances downright misleading. It demonstrated the extent to which individuals are either lacking knowledge and/or governed my ET. The comments from an attorney and a psychotherapist were risible.

      1. MB says:

        I was impressed by the folks in the comments. Proof that we have to have boots on the ground. It is taking hold with everyday people, not so much with people of influence unfortunately. We will work our way up!

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Good to read.

    2. NarcAngel says:

      It was exhausting to listen to even one tape of that grade 7 drama in it’s entirety, and yet I see there were others. They were both aware of it being recorded? And if they were, what was the purpose of recording it?

      1. HG Tudor says:

        For my analysis, clearly, NA!

        I understand it was linked to “therapy”. Good work, therapist!

        1. NarcAngel says:

          Thank you. I asked because if both were aware and it was for such purpose as therapy or there was an awareness that others would be listening, then in that way it can be manipulated if one of the people involved knows they have greater control. They might even agree with this in mind. I have seen examples in the workplace where someone is pressured ongoing and then lead into a situation where they lose their shit. Then they are labelled as “unhinged”. I used this to my advantage in the workplace (but to defend myself against harassment from someone whose control I threatened). I could easily imagine you as Depp on the tape calmly and subtly provoking her into losing it to your advantage for example. So the tape alone would not have convinced me that he was not a narcissist.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Valid observations, NA.

          2. Cat says:

            Thank you for eloquently putting words to my thoughts NA.

      2. MB says:

        NA, luckily I found a couple of abridged versions that hit the high spots. I wanted to hear the part that HG had analyzed. I agree. It was brutal to listen to. I was impressed with JD’s composure though. You can tell he’s used to the crazy. When he says her name, it makes ME melt! How could she hurt a man that says her name like that?!?

        1. theletterafterj says:

          Fuel MB, it’s all about the fuel, and no remorse whatsoever. Devaluation is brutal.

          1. MB says:

            K, ha ha. Yes! Rhetorical question. We know why she hurt him. I’d rather be pillow talking than pillow pooping!

          2. theletterafterj says:

            Seduction: pillow talk.

            Devaluation: pillow pooping.

            Hahahaha…I was thinking out loud when I responded to your comment. It’s always about the damn fuel.

        2. NarcAngel says:

          Haha. So it’s safe to say that you had your emotional hat on.

          1. MB says:

            NA, I sure did. My emotional hat stays on all the time. It’s become mesh though with all the logic HG has taught me!

      3. Desirée says:

        The first audio that was released was a roughly one hour discussion they had for the purpose of their couples therapy. I agree it was exhausting and found it triggering to listen to.

        The second released audio, that was released afterwards, was a telephone call of Amber to Johnny where she told him that nobody would believe him if he said she was the abused her. This is the most recent evidence that is currently going through the press.
        Johnny recorded it and at the time she called him, she had already declared to the public that he had hit her and effected a temporary restraining order against him.

  7. Witch says:

    This was a great breakdown. When I heard the recording I just thought “she’s crazy!”
    I hope JD isn’t a narc, he doesn’t seem like one from the recordings. There’s another one that has been leaked regarding the divorce and he was telling Amber that he still loves her and I felt so bad for him.
    She was also saying that she had to expose certain things in order to protect her reputation when really it’s the other way round… JD was forced to expose her to protect his reputation.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you Witch.

  8. Mercy says:

    Her actions are a little crazy and its obvious that she’s out of control at times. There were times in both my narc relationships when I completely lost my shit (not literally like her) and an outsider probably would have thought I was the problem. The way she expressed getting out of control when Johnny “splits” is equivalent to how I felt getting a silent treatment or with my 1st narc when I knew he was lying. If I didn’t know about the violence, cheating and that other gross thing she did, I could actually relate. That bothers me.

    1. WhoCares says:


      “There were times in both my narc relationships when I completely lost my shit (not literally like her) and an outsider probably would have thought I was the problem.”

      I think at some level many of us can relate to the Amber & Johnny scenario. I think it was an excellent, high profile case for HG to choose. Johnny’s issue in having to prove his case (and I am inclined to believe he is the true victim here) is a prime example of the upward battle when it comes to the courts having to decide where culpability lays.

      And I know we can all make poor choices when our empathy has been eroded and we’ve been provoked endlessly.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Well stated.

        1. WhoCares says:

          Thank-you HG.
          I find it so frustrating when I hear of similar real life situations where the determination of ‘mutual toxicity’ is being thrown around – and, okay, yes the empath involved clearly did engage in some questionable activity which obscures the picture. But given time, no contact – plus the consistency of the narcissist’s behaviour the waters settle and clear and it becomes evident who is mucking up the water.
          I really commend you on your choice of case studies – especially Harry/Meghan and Johnny/Amber.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you WC.
            Mutual toxicity is misleading. It can exist (When Narcissists Collide), however more usually it is as a consequence of the narcissist-empath dynamic whereby the empath victim (through an erosion of emotional empathy – see Understanding Emotional Empathy and Why Am I Behaving Like a Narcissist) fights back in some form.

          2. WhoCares says:

            “Mutual toxicity is misleading.”
            Absolutely. Not my words, but those of *some* professionals I’ve seen involved in custody/access cases (not my personal situation) who do not have the benefit of an education here.
            Thank-you for the recommendations.

          3. Violetta says:

            If you’re not a full-on narc, you might feel some guilt or shame afterwards. I have wonderful habit of realizing I have allowed myself to be provoked about 30 seconds after the altercation has terminated.

            A lesser narc might say, “So-and-so was asking for it,” but feel no regret at giving the “it” that was asked for.

            A mid-ranger was just trying to help you, and his/her hand slipped. Or it didn’t happen. Or both at the same time. But it’s okay, because he/she can CHANGE, now that the two of you can work on it together.

            Still working on what Greaters do, but I know it doesn’t involve regret.

            If you asked yourself, “How could I have behaved like that, no matter how so-and-so provoked me?” you are probably not a Narc.

  9. Hope says:

    Speaking of celebrities and narcissism I wondered about Brad and Angie and Jen while reading on this site.

    I first identified Brad Pitt as a narcissist when I learned of his alcoholism and a physical incident involving his eldest son stepping into defend Angie during an argument between the parents on a plane. That info, coupled with the way the relationship began—as infidelity—drew me to this conclusion.

    Angie I know is disordered, but wasn’t sure what her problem was. Now, I think she’s middle mid-range.

    Brad is probably lesser mid range.

    Jen is an empath. Possibly CoD, as she “didn’t know” if Brad was THE love of her life when asked before the marriage/divorce while dating yet still ended up marrying him. Asked how she remains buoyant when things go awry she responded, “First of all, that was the sweetest thing anyone has ever said to me,” Aniston said. “I think that it comes from growing up in a household that was destabilized and felt unsafe, watching adults being unkind to each other, and witnessing certain things about human behavior that made me think: ‘I don’t want to do that. I don’t want to be that. I don’t want to experience this feeling I’m having in my body right now. I don’t want anyone else that I ever come in contact with ever to feel that.’”
    The actress continued: “So I guess I have my parents to thank. You can either be angry or be a martyr, or you can say, ‘You’ve got lemons? Let’s make lemonade.’” Many people describe Jen as down to earth and respectful. Haven’t heard anything regarding malign or malicious “slips.” Even when she had her world torn apart by Angie and Brad.

    1. Alexissmith2016 says:

      Hope, HG has previously identified Brad as the empath, Angelina a greater and jen a mid. Just pointing this out to assist in your understanding and ability to move forward.

      1. FYC says:

        Alexis, If memory serves, I believe HG stated that Jolie is a psychopath as well.

        1. HG Tudor says:


          1. Bibi says:

            Psychopath? You know what is interesting–she married Billy Bob Thorton and after their divorce he had some words about her, basically that he never felt he matched up to her. I’ve known of some individuals who met him when he was filming ‘The Alamo’ in San Antonio and they said that he was very kind and approachable and warm while Dennis Quaid was a rude ass.

      2. Hope says:

        Wow! This is hard to believe. Brad is an empath? But I’ve been attracted to him for ages!? I am not sure I’ve ever been attracted to an empath before. I’ve never thought he was a great actor. I just watched for the aesthetics. I suppose.. he may be better at acting if he were a narcissist. LOL.

        Jen —I didn’t see that one, but I suppose she IS a “very good person.” Which I now understand to be a tell.

        Angie is a greater?! Wow. She’s so unstable. When she got super thin I thought she lost touch with reality. I thought she had made herself that thin on purpose. I read an article about how she was trying to bring back the feeling to the relationship with the last movie they did together and it was just absent. For both of them. Mechanical.

        I did read the thing about Brad trying to save the marriage and I wasn’t sure if it was true or not. That story could have been viewed as empathic if it were.

        All of this is so hard to get right. But I also don’t follow celebrities closely, completely, or objectively.

      3. Pati says:

        Did HG really confirm that Jennifer Aniston is really a Midrange Narcissist. I wouldnt have guessed.

  10. FYC says:

    Brilliant analysis, HG. I very nearly did not purchase this, as I have zero interest in Depp or Heard, but your analysis of N behavior in their conversation is priceless, especially with regard to certain subtle interpretations. Well done.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you FYC

  11. MB says:

    Brilliant analysis, HG. Lesser Somatic I presume?

    I feel so bad for JD. Not heeding those red flags and warnings cost him $7M + horrendous physical and emotional injury. What a sad story.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you MB.

      1. MB says:

        Will you be doing further analysis for the school and cadre?

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Possibly, as always I invite readers to advance their own views so they apply their learning beforehand. I see your determination MB as you stated earlier.

          1. MB says:

            I did a bit of research on her to see what her LOCE would’ve been. She was strictly in the Catholic Church and left home at 17.

            I put her in the Lesser school due to her low awareness and low control on ignited heated fury. Somatic, well…obvs!

          2. K says:

            Based on what I have read, AH is a somatic lesser, however, I have not listened to The Call yet.

    2. Bibi says:

      Pussy has a price. Intense sexual attraction can trigger that ET into believing there is more to love and more in common than there really is. During that intensity one is in a fog, a field of flowers and they don’t make rational choices and really question, ‘Is this the right person for me?’ Why would he when he is too busy pounding from behind.

      What did Depp really have in common with her? She was way too young for him. He will likely attribute her bad behaviour to immaturity and youth, rather than a narcissist.

      I looked at her Wiki page and the attempt to make her sound deep is ridiculous, “Around the same time, she began reading books by writers such as Ayn Rand, Ray Bradbury, and George Orwell, and began questioning society around her.”

      Well, holy dogshit. She ‘questioned the society around her.’ WOW. More like, “How can I make it admire me?”


      1. HG Tudor says:

        Amused HG.

        1. Bibi says:

          I try, HG.

          I’ve been more somber as of late but this fires me up.

      2. MB says:

        Bibi, I saw that on the Wiki page too. She’s far from an intellectual. It would be interesting to know what he really believes about her. You are correct, sex is a powerful weapon indeed.

        1. Bibi says:


          But the funny thing is those writers are what every 15 yr old reads in high school lit classes. Then it doesn’t even mention any specific idea or thought about them–other than giving her the impetus to move to NYC and start a modeling career? Huh?

          What a literary impact. It’s what every writer strives for.

        2. Ginene Nage says:

          One of the last recorded things Depp said to her when she wanted him to tell people that he was the abuser, not her, was “You aren’t even real. I made you up in my head.”

      3. Witch says:

        Bibi if you’re mad now, don’t watch her “metoo” speech!
        Oh god!

        She must have some skills to seduce these cuties though, her ex-gf is about as pretentious and shallow as her but she’s cute as hell

      4. Violetta says:


        What, no Sylvia Plath?

        1. Bibi says:


          Nah, you can tell she’s not the type to ever read Plath. Unless researching the best gas ovens perhaps?

          1. Violetta says:

            Only if she could push Johnny into one.

          2. Bibi says:



      5. wildviolet22 says:

        Apparently he moved on to a 20-something year old Russian Go-Go dancer after Amber Heard, but she supposedly fled back to Russia because she couldn’t deal with the publicity surrounding him (at least that’s what she said).

    3. honestyrocks777 says:

      Why dont we see the terms overt covert or malignant here?

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Because they are inapplicable

  12. Witch says:

    How do I go back to this? I bought it but didn’t create and account… opps

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I believe you solved it.

      1. Witch says:

        Next time just delete the message and don’t expose my stupidity like this 😆

  13. Mercy says:

    Ugh I wish I would have seen this before my lunch break. Maybe I can go to the shitter and listen.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I see what you did there.

      1. Mercy says:

        Another great one HG! Thank you and thanks to DG!

        1. HG Tudor says:

          You’re welcome

        2. NarcAngel says:

          Who is DG?

          1. HG Tudor says:

            A reader who provided source material to me for the purposes of creating the analysis, NA.

          2. NarcAngel says:

            Ah. Thank you (and DG as well).

  14. Lorelei says:

    HG—Amber wants to spend some time in your bed and really expressing interest in fluffing your pillows.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You settle down and acquire this magnificent analysis, it’ll shit over anything else written about these two by anybody else

      1. Lorelei says:

        Hilarious. I can’t even imagine doing something so ridiculous as pooping on a pillow. I imagine she has few off limits behaviors.

        1. Witch says:

          Lorelei judge me all you want to but I would shit on a narcs pillow if it didn’t breach no contact and get thought fuel from imagining their vex reaction

          1. Violetta says:

            Actually, there’s a ruder way of doing it, if you intend to break up anyway. Google Cleveland Steamer and scroll down, but be warned.

            Goddam you, HG, I’m unemployed and you tempt me with things like this. I will not be enticed. I’m saving my next government check for Three Interactions.

          2. Witch says:

            *a narc experiencing the Cleveland Steamer*

            “How dare you! How dare you! Oh but the negative fuel! Ahhh”

          3. Lorelei says:

            Haha—fun times Witch!

    2. Bibi says:

      Sounds pooptastic. She could fluff his pillows and then they both watch Salo before bed. Are you sure that brown water in your mug is tea, HG?

      1. HG Tudor says:

        I only drink from chalices, you know that.

        1. Pati says:

          HG, you would need to go for confession before your drink out of that first . The priest will be with you
          for hours ha ha.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Yes he has much to own up to.

          2. Pati says:

            It would knock the starch right out of his collar.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            Ha ha

        2. Cloudy says:

          Drinking from chalices is Prestige.

      2. Violetta says:

        What’s with all the biological functions lately? Lorelei laughed til she wet her knicks, Amber’s fertilizing the feathers….
        Freud would have something to say about it. Now we know what happened to the children subjected to Magda’s schizophregenic toilet training in Bridget Jones when they grew up:

        “Bridget, hi! I was just ringing to say in the potty! In the potty! Do it in the potty!”

        There was a loud crashing noise followed by the sound of running water and screaming in manner of Muslims being massacred by Serbs with “Mummy will smack! She will smack!” as if on a loop in the background.

        “Magda!” I yelled. “Come back!”

        “Sorry, hon,” she said, eventually returning. “I was just ringing to say . . . tuck your willy inside the potty! If you let it hang out it’ll go on the floor!”

        1. Lorelei says:

          It’s really nutballs behavior!

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