No Contact – No Covid-19


Vacation vetoed? Holiday halted? Excursion erased?

Told to “social distance”? Night out torpedoed through closed bars, clubs and restaurants? Sporting event shelved? Festival fizzled out? Toilet paper troubles?

Forced to stay at home?

No doubt you are annoyed and irritated by the effect of something so small on your life (a little bit like a short-arse Lower Mid Range Narcissist really). Rather than get cheesed off, utilise this as an opportunity to implement and reinforce your no contact regime with the narcissist AND with more time on your hands you can read and listen to the fantastic array of material available to you in The Knowledge Vault so you make even faster progress towards freedom from the narcissist.

Seize the opportunity to educate yourself further and build those Logic Defences.

To assist you with this, for the entirety of the weekend, there will be a significant discount applied to EVERY SINGLE product in The Knowledge Vault.

I was going to offer 19% off to tie in with the Covid-19 virus, but instead you will get a blistering 38% off EVERY PRODUCT in the The Knowledge Vault because as you know, I do everything twice as effectively as anything else.

Just use code “nocovid19” at the checkout and fill up on the plethora of materials to keep you occupied during this period of reduced activity and social interaction so that not only do you achieve no contact from coronavirus but you succeed in building your no contact from the narcissist.

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119 thoughts on “No Contact – No Covid-19

  1. Emuna says:

    I love your site. My thanks for sharing such a good post. I was looking for thoughts on this topic last Thursday. I will come back to read more and inform my coworkers about your site.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you and thank you for sharing with others. Keep reading.

  2. AnuRijo says:

    Good ☝️..

  3. AnuRijo says:

    Good one..👍🏻

  4. mrmhf says:

    We’ve had to adopt new social distancing measures this week by moving our mail box away from the front door. In so doing, we’ve pushed the postman and couriers away from our front door, lessening the chance of them potentially transmitting the virus to us

    It’s a small measure, but with a potentially big impact, we hope.

  5. ava101 says:

    And yea, that how lower mid rangers are.


    1. isn’t that thing a great excuse for a narc to isolate his victim?

    2. And — is it worse for a narc, if one ignores them on fb and whatsapp, or if one blocks them?

    3. For once — never thought I’d say that — I think that your UK narc (Boris) has the most rational approach, speaking of isolating vulnerable people, not everyone. Also about using hotels as hospitals, like in ww. Our country narc was adopting that idea about isolating elderly now, too, already …

    4. Why do you think they isolate countries (shut down borders) now, — after the fxxx virus got in everywhere, and not in time?

    5. I just love being isolated again, as if didn’t have enough of that in my life.

    6. But yes, agree with other empaths, at least I can be self contained. Do you think, HG, that that is an indicator for narcs, if some peole cannot do it for the life of them?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      1. Is what a great excuse for a narc to isolate his victim? I am not sure what you are referring to, Ava101.
      2. Blocking is worse.
      3. I believe The Shielding is more appropriate although BJ has revised his position since you first wrote this comment, in light of the behaviour of the idiots.
      4. To try to contain it. You can never contain a virus completely because they do not present at passport control saying “Hello, I am a virus, may I come in?”
      5. Use the time to comment here, read and digest my work and focus on doing other things which you enjoy for yourself.
      6. It is an indicator, yes.

      1. ava101 says:

        Thank you very much, HG.
        We are locked in now, too, just as you are over there.
        Positive side of lock up: as you said, the idiots cannot all flock to “my” beach here anymore, finally some peace.

  6. NarcAngel says:

    I know it’s being said in jest, but I’m seriously not hoping for any narc to get Covid-19. It’s not like they’ll isolate. It’s like wishing for the end of other innocents instead.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Valid point.

    2. Sweetest Perfection says:

      Mine is not isolating. At all. I wish he died. On the other hand I have been recluse working on a music mix for my siblings in times of despair that I have called CoronaMix20. I created it for them so that they don’t feel so claustrophobic and to exercise at home. We have a WhatsApp camera date every day so that we can laugh and see each other. It’s not so drastic in the USA yet. Europe, not so free anymore. This is getting insane. I only included one DM song, they will identify it as my signature.

      1. NarcAngel says:


        The virus that will be remembered for reviving the mixtape.

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          Hahaha, NA, leave it to a GenExer! I’m
          the John Cusack of COVID-19.

      2. Lorelei says:

        I’m canceling my June trip to Greece. I can’t keep wasting all this vacation time at work! Ugh.

    3. ava101 says:

      My kinda narc lover who is now in Portugal, was one of the first to self isolate, and isn’t leaving his apartment anymore. I have NEVER witnessed him getting agitated before, – only now, when he had to go out for food, and someone didnt keep their distance and coughed at him. He didnt leave his apartment for over a week now after that, and I think because HE doesn’t want to get into contact with people with the virus, and because HE doesn’t want to get ill.
      I have been trying to figure out, how he does it, as he is neither gifted at “sexting” or sending pictures, nor at writing. I think it is a matter of intelligence, like HG — he can entertain himself pretty well, as using his brain. Plus porn, and God knows how many people he is texting with, but I am sure he doesn’t go out.
      Don’t know about the others, as no contact, except for my mother, who doesn’t seem to think she can get it, but kinda sticks to the rules.

  7. Violetta says:

    Ok, so I surfed WBPN’s blog (yeah, I know: this is not No Contact), but I got a much-needed reminder that he’s a jackhole:

    Please stay safe everybody! Clean those hands and horde that toilet paper

    Because Hording is Good, or was that Greed?

    Wonder how many supermarket shelves he cleaned out to wipe his worthless hindquarters before the crackdown.

    1. Lorelei says:

      The “crackdown!” Nice! I have enough tissue for a few months I believe. I just have to make it through three days of work before I’m off a few weeks. I’m stuck in this armpit of the earth but it’s better than many alternatives.

    2. Sunshine says:

      NOWIS owns an elder care business. I’m trying not to check on the business social media to see what his poor IPPS is trying to do to mitigate the situation.
      I wish I could just wish the worst for him, but I can’t.

      I hate this because he REALLY IS a monster. I suspect that at least some of the people in his care are afraid of him or at very least, sense something wrong. I have no ACTUAL proof of any wrong-doing besides his claim to have bathed a female resident because they were short-handed. But even that could’ve been a lie.

      But for the sake of all the innocents involved, I hope they’re all safe & untouched by Corona. I wish FOR MYSELF that I could completely put this ensnarement behind me & feel nothing at all.

      I hate to admit this, but I wish I NC was a relief. It’s not. It is so damn illogical that it simultaneously hurts to be blocked because I miss him, & yet it hurts my pride that he saw me as not even an appliance, but as a dirty sock to ejaculate into.

      This grief process & undoing the mind-fckery is taking too long. Wayyyy too long.

      1. Violetta says:

        Mine didn’t even use me as a dirty sock. I was a mirror. He loved looking at his reflection in my eyes.

  8. Leolita says:

    FYC, your words are spot on and so appreciated! ❤️
    I agree, the hardest part is truly accepting that they only serve us an illusion, and the greef and sorrow that follows as you realise this (once again). The feeling of emptiness and total loneliness that follows. It is like you suddenly realise you were alone all the way, they were never truly there. I also struggled with the feeling of not being worth anything, before I got my ET under control. It is still hard to understand how he was able to get in again, how I could let that happen. But it is the crack that HG is talking about, the one small crack we leave open by keeping some form of hope, or thinking that it might be Ok to have some form of communication.

    I love what you write about forgiving myself, and that I still have all my love and hope and that I have not lost anything. And that in many ways I am now better than ever. I needed to hear that! Your messages made my day brighter and made me feel both grateful and happy! You are a wonderful and loving person! And again, thank you!!! ❤️

    1. FYC says:

      Leolita, You are most welcome and thank you. Please remember, your worth is inherent. You are worth everything. Your N saw your worth and reflected it back to you, he did not give it to you. It is still there and always will be. Recognize your many lovely qualities with gratitude and share them with those who appreciate you. Stay the No Contact course and this will become clear over time as you heal. One day this will be a distant memory. Just another lesson learned and turn the page. Keep reading so you do not fall in with another N. We empaths are addicted to Ns, but we are better off not engaging because we can never have what we hope for with them. Stick with HG. He is our only safe N.

      1. Kim e says:

        FYC. “Saw your worth and reflected it back to you”

        Thanks for this. Struck home as I start my NC again

        1. FYC says:

          You are most welcome, Kim e. Great decision on NC. We are pulling for you.

          1. Kim e says:

            The beer virus is making it difficulter (is that a word) for me as I normally turn my phone off for NC. Makes it much easier to get it out of my head.
            But since I have to work from home, all my calls from work are forwarded to my cell meaning I need to leave it on…..
            It is completely like retraining my brain all over again.

          2. FYC says:

            Kim e, No worries, just do the following to erase the association of your phone to your N:
            1) Block him then delete his contact. If you do not delete his contact his voicemail will go to spam so do delete him from your contacts on your phone and comupter.
            2) Change your ringtones. Your mind creates associations with your past behavior and the sound, so change it.
            3) Block his friends and associates.
            4) Change your outgoing message to the stock computer voice reply (no personal message)
            5) Change notifications settings if necessary.
            6) Change caller ID settings if you do business with the same company as the N
            7) Under phone, settings, turn on “silence unknown callers.”
            8) Use Malwarebytes to block spam calls (and viruses on your computer).
            9) Change your voicemail password if your N ever had it.
            10) Change the appearance of your phone to create a new association. Buy a HG wallpaper. Change the background too. Clean it. Change the cover.
            These changes should block the N, keep unnecessary & unwanted calls from your phone; will change your psychological associations; protect your privacy; and give you a new start and peace of mind. Then go do something nice for yourself, but skip the alcohol. Do something that reminds you life is a gift and you get to decide who comes to your party!

    2. Sunshine says:

      This says what I wanted to say. Thank you.

  9. Leolita says:

    Finally I am in NC again. I am so grateful for the person who helped to pay for consultations with HG. You truly are a life saver, whoever you are. Thank you ❤️

    The emotional thinking is our worst enemy, for sure. For me, it was much harder to conquer it this second time. The first time I escaped, but the second time I was disengaged from, even though it was «just sex», and «friendship». But since I had «given him a second chance» to enter into my life, reluctantly, but still I was giving him the benefit of a chance to «prove me wrong»- even though I thought I kept him on a «safe distance» from my emotions, it felt like I lost both myself and all my insight, and it was actually a much worse battle to regain it the second time. Just finally and truly accepting that this individual IS a narcissist, and that that really means that I can never ever have any form of contact whatsoever, for the rest of my life, was that much harder to grasp. There is no possibility of it ever turning out any different. The fact that I had been conned and abused yet again, even though I actually knew I was dealing with a narc, also made me feel like I was a complete idiot.

    I am still batteling ET, but LT is growing stronger every day. I can now see how I have been gaslighted, abused, taken for granted, triangulated, smeared (again,and Worse this time). The fact that he was able to regain contact with me has also kind of cleared his reputation. People seem to think «she is with him again, so he can’t be that bad». And my friends went mental on me. They could not believe I could ever go back. So the struggle was harder also because I had less back up this time. My friends do not even want to hear his name. If it had not been for this blog, I would go insane. It is like ET gets stronger and more advanced the second time.

    The conclusion is, as we all know (but still need to stress this to others who might be tempted to think they can have some form of engagement):
    Never go back. Never give in to this kind of ET. It is dangerous and will turn your whole life upside down. You loose. It is truly like HG says: it is russian roulette, and sooner or later it WILL kill you(r self esteem, sence of self, your insight, your strenght, and all of your logical thinking). We cannot win. It is not possible to «just use them for sex» or in other ways think we can handle contact in a way that benefits us and does not «kill» us. I realise this so very clearly now. It feels like I have played snakes and ladders and found myself back on «start». What a huge waste of time and energy. And now I have to go all the steps back to where I was one year ago.

    1. FYC says:

      Leolita, Thank you for sharing your update. I remember your comments from several weeks ago. It sounds like you have come a long way in your understanding and growth and this is fantastic. I know this was a very painful experience, but if, but if you stick with LT and remember HG’s wise counsel, you will not repeat these choices. With no contact, you will not speak of the N and your friends will return by your side. You have much to look forward to in life now. The worst is behind you. Treasure all you have learned and keep reading here to build your armor for future protection. Knowledge is power. Also, forgive yourself. You could not have known then what you do know now. Put all your energy into you and your future. Stay strong and I wish you much healing and happiness in your future.

      1. Leolita says:

        FYC, thank you for this lovely and supportive comment! ❤️ So nice of you! It is wonderful to have this community of support and understanding. Just to be able to express myself and knowing that you all understand and know what I am going through, makes it all so much easier. I needed time before I was able to express and update. Really went down the rabbit hole. But yes, you are right, I am in a much better place now. HG had to tell me quite a few times that I just needed to Get the fact that this person is a narcissist. My ET was sky high, because I had been so gaslighted (Right, HG?). Finally I am able to focus again, on my studies and myself, my life, the people (who deserve to be) in it. Love you all, you wonderful people on this blog, and especially you FYC!

        1. FYC says:

          Thank you Leolita, sending you love right back. I think the hardest part about the whole dynamic is accepting that the person we once believed in and thought we knew so well (the illusion and the hope) was actually not that person at all. Sadly, they cannot be and never will be. The narcissistic defense is not partial, but complete.

          There is a form of grief that we empaths feel when we let go of the illusion. Acceptance is wonderful though. You still keep all of your love and wonderful qualities and hopes for the future, you just share them with those who can truly appreciate and honor them in a way that is supportive to you. You have lost nothing, but gained a world of knowledge and insight. In many ways you are better than ever. Knowing this, you can fully release the narcissist and detach. It will be okay and you will thrive. Long live your logical thinking!

    2. Violetta says:

      “now I have to go all the steps back to where I was one year ago.”

      No, you don’t. You still have the physiological addiction, but you now know that what you’re addicted to isn’t a milkshake with a little too much sugar: it’s rat poison.

      1. Leolita says:

        Violetta, that is true! Thanks for reminding me! I have a short cut now. I am regaining my insight more and more each day and I feel stronger already. 😊 ❤️

    3. lisk says:

      “My friends do not even want to hear his name.”

      If we think about it in terms of No Contact, our friends not wanting to hear his/her name is a great thing.

      Thank HG we have this blog to fall back on, though, as we develop our self-support.

      1. Leolita says:

        Dear Lisk, that is also a very good point. Part of NC is not talking about him, and I have already implemented a very strick NC regime that involves never mentioning the N (anymore). My friends just need to see now, that I keep it up, and that they do not need to worry (or hear about him). They just want what is best for me. That is why I love them so much. Yes, thank HG for this community! What would we do without him?

    4. WokeAF says:

      You don’t start at the beginning bc you’ve become wise and learned from HG .
      The relapses are part of the advancement.

      1. Leolita says:

        Thank you for those kind and helpful words, WokeAF! ❤️ This kind reminder is truly helping me heal. You and the other people here are the best!! Wish I could give you all a big hug!

  10. Claire says:

    Thank you very much for the generous offer, HG!
    You and my long time secret crush Cristiano Ronaldo restored my faith in humanity.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Then that is two narcissists who have done so.

      1. Claire says:

        Yep, when I read for the first time about the Somatic ones as you have described them, I pictured CR . But I love the fact why he is a tattoo-free apart from that I personally dislike any ink on the skin.

  11. spongebob2020 says:

    I thought I read something about narcs lacking a sense of humor?

    1. Violetta says:


      Not this one.

      1. Caroline-is-fine says:

        Really, Violetta?? Only SpongeBob can be quoted with that?

        Why not (just imagine it) – 500 billion years from now…


        Not this one.

    2. lisk says:

      Are you kidding? My Narcx was a veritable clown.

  12. WokeAF says:

    HG – what do you think is really going on, are they trying to collapse the economy or something sinister?

    1. HG Tudor says:


      1. WokeAF says:


  13. Em says:

    My exnarc wants to talk. Had a text. New number. I’m assuming he’s scared of the virus and his very bad chest. Looking for some attention and sympathy.

    1. lisk says:

      Coronavirus Hoover!

      1. A “coover”

        1. WhoCares says:


          1. WhoCares says:

            That’s okay. My very reclusive neighbour just knocked on my door regarding her keys.
            I just froze. At first. I could not respond naturally because I have had some really bad past hoovers regarding key exchanges/issues from both my narcissists.

            I have not seen any sign of her keys but she was wondering if I had seen them in her door? I haven’t figured her out since I don’t have enough behaviours to go on to make a determination. But the key issues were seemingly innocent in the past…I actually had alarm bells ringing and couldn’t act naturally because of it.

            Maybe I should maintain contact in case I need toilet paper?

        2. lisk says:


    2. Violetta says:

      Do you really want to wipe his nose and clean up his puke?

      There are things I will do for toddlers that I am no way doing for a grown man who would never do the same for me, if I were the sick one.

      1. Em says:

        Violetta I would definitively not want to look after him. There once was a time but not now. As you say he would not do it for me. I remember being really ill with a UTI caused by his infidelity and he laughed at me. Ugh. Disgusting man.

        1. Violetta says:

          You’re lucky. I had a temp job in a urology office, and I heard a nurse repeatedly trying to explain to the guy on the other end of the phone that a UTI could be transferred by him during sex if he’d picked up e-coli from his wife’s rear (where everyone has it), transferred when she wiped herself in the bathroom, triggered by an irritation from bubble bath, etc. He was convinced she must have been cheating on him.

          1. Em says:

            Yeah there’s more to it than that. I don’t want to go into too much detail – the bug definitely didn’t come from me.

          2. lisk says:

            He sure made it known what exactly he was *not* getting from her.

    3. Sweetest Perfection says:

      At least he’s worried, which is common sense! My husband showed me a picture of my narc this weekend partying at the beach and taking this as a vacation! God I so hope he gets it.

      1. Em says:

        My ex narc is always only worried about himself – a victim opportunity to extract sympathy – UMRN. I used to give him loads so still tries to Turn to me in times of low fuel.
        My ex husband narc is a Lesser. Smokes 40 a day. Is in the high risk group.
        It is so tempting to wish this on them. We can only sit back and wait for karma.

        1. Violetta says:

          I still prefer my idea that all the narcs who’ve annoyed us will hoard t.p. and cans of tuna and the pile will fall on their heads, squashing them into narcy little pancakes.

          I know HG doesn’t believe in karma, but it would definitely be poetic justice.

          1. Em says:

            😀 i will just enjoy your ideas then I can’t say I wished it on them.

          2. WokeAF says:

            As funny as it is/ narcs won’t self quarantine out of concern for the Whole/ so I kinda hope the opposite

  14. SoldierOfLuv says:

    This is great . I live in the only city
    of my country where we are on a half lockdown for now , We are told to work home so I did read two of your books in one evening I might need to do this next .

    I also found another alternative to avoid wasting my time , just by doing grocery shopping for the elders or people with a weak immune system . Maybe someone else would like to do this in their own country aswell .

    Everyone take good care of yourself . Stay safe 💕

  15. fox says:

    Lovely of you to offer discounts when people need your material most, HG.

    Quick question. I understand how emotional and cognitive empathy works for you and your kind, but what about physical empathy? When we see someone else physically injured, we get an involuntary jolt through our bodies in reaction, as if we were the ones injured, not an emotional reaction exactly though. Like when I watched Color Out of Space recently, I cringed so hard when the woman chopped her finger off. I assume that is because we put ourselves in the other’s shoes so it would make sense if you don’t have that sensation at all. But have you ever?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Hello Fox, see the Three Strands of Empathy.

  16. strongerwendyme says:


  17. Narc noob says:

    Are you in shut-down, isolation, yet, HG?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I’m always isolated as I’m set apart from everyone else.

      1. Narc noob says:

        Of course! Said in true HG style. Ha!

      2. Pati says:

        HG, are you still going to do the study where you are in complete isolation looking for fuel? I believe I must have read or heard that in your articles/interviews.
        Stay healthy

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Not at present.

          1. Lorelei says:

            What is the typical amount of time it takes for restlessness in the absence of other people/communication HG? I can be alone until I have to go out and get supplies for my house. I could be alone for years on an island if Amazon did airdrops. I swear I’m going to be away long enough today to quit being a pain in the ass, I’ve been awake for nearly 40 hours aside from maybe 3 hours due to my job.

          2. HG Tudor says:

            It varies dependent on school of narcissist and the pre-existing fuel level at the point of cessation of interaction.

          3. Lorelei says:

            That sucks HG. Truly. Being content alone is truly a treat for me. Obviously there are some advantages to not being alone all the time but I can do it for ages in the absence of responsibility.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Sucks from your perspective, not from mine.

          5. Lorelei says:

            I understand HG. Hey—how about I take you to dinner for your birthday this year? I promise to let you finish your pudding!

          6. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you for the offer Lorelei, but my birthday is already catered for this year. You can buy two puddings and eat both of them.

          7. Lorelei says:

            Awe makes me sad HG. I was planning to bring Bill Cosby. It would be quite the party.

          8. Pati says:

            Nah,Trump will probably be there.

          9. Lorelei says:

            And there are yes, indeed several ways to view the comment on Bill.. haha—I could one up you on this until the end of time!

          10. HG Tudor says:

            No, you could not.

          11. Lorelei says:

            Yes HG—I could. I also just bought two 18-packs of toilet tissue. And two mega rolls of paper towels. The girl whispered for me to return this morning as they were not in the shelves yesterday, but she knew of the secret manna from heaven hiding in the back. She shared the secrets and this is because I profit from my kindness to her

          12. HG Tudor says:

            You could not, for a variety of reasons including my intelligence, wit, knowledge, experience, ability to control and not needing to spend time purchasing toilet tissue in stores.

          13. Lorelei says:

            But see I already did HG. I knew it would challenge you to compel another reply because you can’t leave it be. You are a good teacher. I planned this comment back to you before your predicted reply. Of course you are intelligent, witty. Whatever adjectives you use are indeed true. But don’t discount us as morons!

          14. HG Tudor says:

            Just repeatedly replying and claiming that amounts to oneupmanship, is not oneupmanship. Failing to recognise that demonstrates my point.

          15. Lorelei says:

            Are you taking me to task HG? I’m so mortified I may lose my mind.

          16. HG Tudor says:

            Not at all.

          17. Lorelei says:

            I’m just being silly HG—I’m trying to impose some ADD into my life to avoid dealing with taxes and that school
            starts today for my next class.

          18. HG Tudor says:

            It is okay, Lorelei, you do not need to explain, I do know you!

          19. Pati says:

            Thank you HG, I just thought since the Coronavirus is going around it would be a good time but then again you are not quarantined so I guess not. You must have too much to do anyway.
            Keep up updated.

  18. FYC says:

    HG, Thank you for your generosity. What a refreshing response compared to: “Valued readers, we are closely monitoring the situation and are following all recommended COVID19 procedures and are taking precautionary actions. Please rest assured, all logic and information bulletins and assistance packages are thoroughly disinfected prior to download.” Of course such statements are necessary, but it is great to have a positive message amongst them. Well done!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you FYC

  19. lisk says:

    Sounds like a great way to beat being plagued by narcs now and forever!

  20. FoolMe1Time says:

    Haha! Very good HG! Of course you would find away to benefit from a pandemic. You truly are the Man!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I think you’ll find you’re benefitting too, FM1T!

      1. FoolMe1Time says:

        But of course HG, we all benefit by taking advantage of your vast knowledge and brilliance! That is why you are the only narcissist I will ever allow in my life again!

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Hg approves

    2. Lorelei says:

      Foolme—oh I may have HG beat on the dollar amount of a pandemic. By sheer luck. It would be by I repeat sheer luck. Just wait. Just wait. Has to do with lawmakers having to meet virtually (for now) which would dilute their shift in priorities. If they can’t address a scholarship issue it’ll pay just over six figures in the next 8 years in benefits re, schools/private school education choice.

      1. FoolMe1Time says:

        That would be great Lorelei! I hope it works out to your benefit!!

        1. Lorelei says:

          Me too Foolme.

      2. Violetta says:


        Yes! Oh, to be a fly on the wall….

        Btw, I had my taxes done recently, and when I told my preparer about the fluctuating net on consistent gross checks at F.U., and wondered whether it was just incompetence or they were trying to snooker us, she said, “Well, I’m a cynic, so I’d say probably the second, but report them either way.” So I printed out the forms….at an F U. computer lab.

        1. Lorelei says:

          I do my own taxes—but I have to start quarterly reporting and it’s funny to read this as I’m researching what forms to use at this moment. I am too cheap to pay an accountant.

          1. Violetta says:

            Our elementary teachers turned math classes into group work whenever possible, so I have no idea what I’m doing.

            Did okay with algebra and calculus, but turn that x into a number, and you lose me.

            What little I can do I learned sewing garb and cooking medieval recipes.

          2. Lorelei says:

            Violetta. I think that after a substantial review of the paperwork I need to schedule a consult with an accountant but can manage thereafter. Mainly to decrease my research time—at some point a few hours of my time is worth the consult fee. I looked last night and the process for a few things needs clarified.

          3. Violetta says:

            The estimated quarterly thing means a Schedule C–I don’t know if that affects your filing this year or next. I had to do that when I did freelance editing work.

            I’ve told my vocal coach I’m not coming in on Thursday as planned–NJ is instituting curfews, and I’m less scared of the flu than I am of being locked down in the middle of Bumblefuck. Would my brother’s condo refuse to let me in? (It’s mostly retired people.) Would there be no groceries left in NJ? I can’t bring everything in plastic bins as I would when driving to a reenactment campout; I’d be coming by bus. Will the buses even be running to NJ? Will the buses be running between NJ and NY for the audition? De Blasio’s talking about putting NYC on lockdown.

            Callbacks were supposed to be 3/25. I asked if I could come in then, depending on the situation, since he’s familiar with my work. Of course the production team would have to approve, but I think they recognize these are unusual circumstances.

            Sucks. The bright side of losing my job with F.U. was I was finally free to get involved with this show, they had finally got a prominent indie theatre to promote it, and it’s all collapsing. In the meantime, I could send out feelers with folks in NYC to see about doing editorial, perhaps commuting from North Jersey, since even rentals in the outer boroughs are ridiculously expensive now.

            If the flu doesn’t kill us all, the odds are the next time they try to stage it, I’ll be tied down with another midwest job, maybe state government if I resign myself to returning to what I did in grad school, and if they’ll even have me back.

            Oh well, these are GOOD problems. At least the state has great benefits and pays better than F.U.

            The Suckage continueth. Might skip evening Mass. Rather take a nap. Bad Vi, no biscuit for me!

          4. Lorelei says:

            Violetta.. I will have to make a million calls. I’ll look up the IRS forms, but I have to pay taxes in a particular county in WV for where the business is conducted as well. I just need a morning of calls made!

          5. FYC says:

            Lorelei, I’ll keep this short since it is way off topic. Use TurboTax home & business – super easy. Schedule C is your profit/loss statement that accompanies your 1040. Your 1040ES are your estimated tax forms (forward looking). Just follow the prompts. You mail out estimate payments quarterly. All instructions are included.

          6. Lorelei says:

            I do use TurboTax.. I’ll peak into this. There is a complex tax matter to manage for
            me and my daughter both though. It’s worth one consult if the super nice bank guy doesn’t know how to sift through a million page document.

          7. Lorelei says:

            Where is F.U.?

          8. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Yuck tax time. Not that I particularly hate paying taxes if they are used correctly -which I don’t believe so under this government- but I take mine to an accountant who always tries to hit on me. We like him and he is savvy in working with international people but last year he suggested we should go out to dinner some time. The last day we were gonna meet with him he was pissed off to see only my husband showed up and he had the audacity to ask him: “Where’s SP? I was expecting her!” My husband is taking the forms this year. I refuse to go. I wonder if he’s a narc too or just a gigolo-wannabe.

          9. Lorelei says:

            I did my taxes this year but this is mainly for my daughter. She has a complicated matter and I now have a new situation. Apparently the woman that handled it for my mother has a very ill daughter (had a brain aneurysm)’and is not in the office. Ugh. At least the tax guy can’t ask you out for dinner! Not now.

          10. Lorelei says:

            Yes the form isn’t the biggest issue—it’s that I have to set up county taxes and state taxes and I’m trying to assimilate some type of seamless strategy/routine There are also estate matters, the issuance of a newly named trust to fund with any and everything to make it easier for my kids.. (my use of legal terminology is very elementary so excuse if I’m not properly illustrating)

          11. Violetta says:

            They have both online and face to face classes, with brick-n-mortar branches in more than one Midwestern state.

            At this point, both F.U. and my grad school have switched to online for everything. De Blasio’s finally closed NYC schools until April, spring breakers kicked out of South Miami, partiers herded off Bourbon Street in NOLA.

            Has HG recorded “Masque of the Red Death” yet? I don’t remember anything like this during the Swine Flu of ’09. Granted, online classes weren’t as pervasive as they are now, so you couldn’t hole up until the Spring Thaw. I toughed it out with my dad’s tea and Scotch recipe until I could get the Tamiflu scrip, and went back to my grad institution to teach the term through another month of brain fog.

          12. HG Tudor says:

            Entertaining film.

          13. Violetta says:

            The 1964 movie has been described as surprisingly Bergmanesque (Corman usually goes for comic horror, per Little Shop), but I’d love to hear you read the original Poe story.

            Oh hell, I could listen to you read your dry-cleaner’s item list aloud.

        2. Lorelei says:

          Dear Violetta–I can’t put this in the proper place but a retirement community may well shut down. Restaurants are now closed here, bars too. I went to the grocery today twice as I decided to freeze things I normally buy fresh. (bread, meat) I told the kids as crazy as it is that bottled water has to be rationed as it is all they drink, tap is the way it is for now. I hate being so damn stocked up and the garage is full of stuff but the reality is that they are unlikely to return to school soon as it is already out for three weeks.

          1. Violetta says:


            In the UK, they’re telling senior citizens to quarantine themselves. Italy has admitted the ventilators will be reserved for people with good prognoses, i.e., under a certain age and with a minimum of pre-existing conditions.

            Maybe I should stop reading the Daily Mail. There are endless Victorian novels on Gutenberg for free; this might be a good time to hit them.

            I use a Brita filter, so as long as they don’t cut off the water, I should be good.

            No way can I do the east coast trip now:



            The big guy at Port Authority was diagnosed almost a week ago, although he seems to be recovering okay. Restaurant workers won’t get their tips if only takeout is allowed, and the base salary usually isn’t enough. Meanwhile, folks in the UK are wondering how they can help grandad with food or chores, if he’s not supposed to see anyone who might carry in a virus; those living with extended family are wondering who’s going to look after the kids while mum and dad are at work, if nana can’t do it.

            It is surreal.

            Took a walk after midnight with the excuse the trash needed to go out. I was mostly stir crazy. I figured, anybody tries to mug me, I’ll threaten to breathe on him.

          2. Lorelei says:

            The use of ventilators being rationed is an extreme but necessary admission. It sucks, but at the end of the day resources are limited. Think of this—my branch of a larger system has over 300 beds. Occupancy hovers over 90% on average. Many or much of the hysteria (strong word) is based on the system collapsing due to say, a 20% rise of pneumonia like admittance presentations. It’s resource based in approach, yes, “altruistic” to keep people well—but at the end of the day we adjust resources on averages of need.

          3. Violetta says:

            Turns out Gutenberg has free online texts of Defoe’s historical novel A Journal of the Plague Year and THE DIARY OF SAMUEL PEPYS (which includes his actual witnessing of the plague’s effects on London, as well as court scandals and theatre reviews–he described Romeo and Juliet as “a play of itself the worst that ever I heard in my life, and the worst acted that ever I saw these people do”).

            Cheery reading as well as informative!





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