Armie Hammer : A Very Hungry Narcissist?




Armie Hammer found himself hitting the headlines and splashed all over social media following allegations of lurid messages between him and another woman.

Innocent victim, misguided normal or is he A Very Hungry Narcissist?

Bring forth the Tudorscope!


144 thoughts on “Armie Hammer : A Very Hungry Narcissist?

  1. WiserNow says:

    Wow, what a sicko. I’d never heard of Armie Hammer before listening to HG’s analysis, which is very thorough and builds a detailed picture.

    Armie Hammer is very handsome in a ‘movie actor’ kind of way. Physically, I don’t find him attractive though. He looks too ‘plastic’, as though he cares too much about his looks and image, over and above anything else.

    It’s interesting how his narcissistic fetishes (breaking laws, drugs, cheating, BDSM, talk of cannibalism) reflect his good looks and entitled background. His very wealthy family, whose wealth goes back generations, gives him the ease to do whatever he wants (drugs, travel, affairs, socialising in elite Hollywood circles) and his good looks open doors. He is very entitled and unaccountable and enjoys the excitement and attention caused by doing kinky or daring things. I don’t think he can even begin to understand the concept of ‘real life’ or ‘normal’ boundaries. There’s a rebelliousness or shock value about his kind of ‘control’ too. He’s a rich kid who probably grew up needing to keep up appearances, but he gets bored easily and wants unlimited freedom.

    The toe-sucking video with his two-year old son is sickening. What kind of parent would think that was funny? His children are beautiful too, though. The whole family looks like a picture-perfect advertisement for a ‘successful’ American family – until you see the toe-sucking video and hear about all the affairs.

    I watched the Conan interview when he talked about getting arrested for possession of weed. They showed Armie’s mug shot. He was wearing an open-neck shirt with the collar turned up and he was smiling. It looked more like a modelling photo than a mug shot. Armie explained to Conan that the photo was taken early in the morning and he was made to wear the shirt. He was more embarrassed about the shirt collar being turned up than he was that it was a mug shot! He just doesn’t care about being accountable. Any kind of ‘social rules’ simply don’t apply to him.

    With the instagram photos of knives, dead animal parts, and barbecued meat, plus the numerous references to body parts and cannibalism, I get the feeling he thinks about this ‘fetish’ quite a lot. It sounds like a psychopathic, sadistic tendency. When I first heard HG describing this aspect of his narcissism, it gave me a dark, heavy feeling about him. I wouldn’t be surprised if his activities escalated into more lewd and dangerous acts.

  2. Fiddleress says:

    I loved listening to the analysis of this actor. Very very interesting, thank you, HG!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome.

  3. Fiddleress says:

    Armie Hammer, a narcissist: the decision to make him play the part of Oliver in Call Me By Your Name was an excellent one, then. That character is such a narcissist! As much in the novel as in the film.

    1. Sweetest Perfection says:

      I agree, Fiddleress. The tandem with Timothée Chalamet was perfect. Timothée (Elio) was so sweet, sensitive, naïve. Even in the interviews to both actors after the film’s success you can tell who has control in the conversation.

  4. doforluv1 says:

    I didn´t know this individual .Very alarming . I do not like posting to much comments . But this reminds to remember . Not to project your material only on my own narc ensnarements or Co-d Empath risk for future ensnarement , They can harm everyone around us as well hurt molest rape scare oppress etc. Our children , friends , family members just everyone on this earth and not even be aware of it . I’ll keep distancing myself from this type off individuals as much as I can . Dangerous people .” I will not even mind crying about the golden or whatever period or my devaluation wasn.’t that bad ” they could/done the most horrendously thing to someone else in the dark while I was treated ”properly” . I’am completely disgusted . But I’d rather just feel nothing .

    1. A Victor says:

      I agree so much with your comment.

  5. Julie Petkovska says:

    My thoughts
    I think he has had no discipline in his life.
    If you have grown up with a narcissistic parent who is disciplinary and controlling, some of that should have rubbed off. If its rebellion, there is an age when you start looking less cute and more foolish.
    He seems sloppy, ineffective and in overly sharing his wants and desires acts like a school boy. The crap that pours out of him in interviews, texts, junkets and social media is that of a high school jock that hasn’t realised everyone has graduated and moved on. Which makes me think he was left to his own devices as a kid.
    His career pretty much matches his personal life, never in a clear precise direction, never quite reaching his potential.
    He lacks the discipline and drive. This reminds me of a newly turned vampire who needs to feed and has no control over their own desires and cravings….just utter chaos and never satiated.

    His own lack of self control and awareness has ultimately ruined his already fractured reputation.

    I did wonder if you were going to touch this one…
    I am pleased you did.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I am pleased you found it interesting.

  6. lickemtomorrow says:

    He said he couldn’t do the things he wanted to do with his wife basically. It sounds a little to me like the Madonna-Whore complex which I know HG talks about in his book. She’s now the Madonna and he wants the whore that he can treat whatever way he wants. The affairs to my mind are par for the course apart from that, and also it’s likely that as part of her devaluation he was denying her sex. So I think him saying he couldn’t do certain things with his wife was a way of avoiding accountability (I have to have affairs because I can’t do these things with my wife) and even blame shifting onto her (she wouldn’t allow me to do these things to her so I have to have affairs).

  7. MP says:

    Thank you for the thorough article. I liked him from Lone Ranger and wondered why he hasn’t starred in more movies. I thought he seemed like a nice guy from his portrayal of his role. But I didn’t know anything about him and didn’t follow him on social media. I forgot about him until now.
    He may not be a real cannibal but his messages are pretty gross and unattractive. I guess in the perspective of a narcissist there really isn’t dignity in human life because he doesn’t see other people as equal to him. I feel bad for his ex wife and kids but it’s probably a blessing in disguise that he is exposed to her before he could have a more meaningful effect on the control environment of his kids and affect their development. His ex wife acknowledged that she was aware that he had affairs but she believed that they were both working on fixing their marriage so she still tried to wait for the change. People who knew him said that they thought he was in an open marriage because of how he behaved.

    1. Sweetest Perfection says:

      MP, I read your last line “because of how he beheaded.” I think this cannibalism topic is traumatizing me hahaha.

      1. MP says:

        Haha I can see that! For me the title kept reminding me of one of my daughter’s favorite Eric Carl books. 🤣

  8. Duchessbea says:

    Brilliant article HG. Always thought Armie Hammer was fit. But after reading about his ‘penchant’, bit of a massive turnoff. I guess he really is the epitomy of your kind. Interesting. He was the last person I would have thought to be like that.

  9. Chihuahuamum says:

    I wouldn’t be so sure he isn’t into cannibalism. I had watched a story about a police officer who was into this same deviancy his name gilberto valle. He talked much like this guy and was on his way imo to actually being a cannibalist. It starts off as kinky talk and escalates. The chipping away of boundaries.
    Armin meiwes is another example who did eventually fulfill his fantasy of eating human flesh. He actually found a man on a cannibal forum who wanted to be eaten and mutually agreed to kill and eat his body. I think cannabalism to these types is the ultimate in control and possession of another.
    The toe sucking incident of his 2 year old smacks of sexual abuse! He’s disgusting!
    I get a dark feeling from this man. He’s very sick.
    Interesting analysis as always thanks HG!

    1. lickemtomorrow says:

      OMG, there is such a thing as a cannibal forum???!!!

      That story is beyond, Chihuahuamum. I’m in shock.

      1. Chihuahuamum says:

        There’s a forum for anything im sure like apps lol

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          I read on Quora (mmm not a very reliable source but whatever) someone who said to have found in the dark web a cooking book on how to cook human flesh and how to pick the best victims for the best texture and flavor. I don’t even want to think if my thighs would qualify as perfect chicken tenders. That kind of stuff makes me really nervous. But again, when thinking of The Silence of the Lambs, most people just remember the Chianti dinner. Nobody remembers that using too much moisturizer could play against your safety…

          1. HG Tudor says:

            I gain the distinct impression that you are all focussing on the wrong thing here.

          2. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Hahaha. You must admit it is alluring in the sense of causing morbidity. We know he’s a narc, but is he a hungry narc with a suspicious appetite for humanity? Probably not, but it feeds our morbid curiosity to entertain the idea.

          3. lickemtomorrow says:

            Haha, HG, just throw out that nice shiny thought on cannibalism and who can resist!

            I know I can’t.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            I recognise you want to get your teeth in to it. I assume many of you are on New Year diets and feeling the hunger.

          5. lickemtomorrow says:

            Haha, HG, and correct!

            Maybe Armie would like to take a few pounds off me for starters 😉

          6. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I noticed there’s a comment in your YouTube video where a person discusses Hollywood’s tendency to cannibalistic practices. Whether Armie Hammer is a cannibal or not remains to be demonstrated; however, given that he is a narcissist trying to blend in with the elite in the cinematographic industry the discussion of whether he is using cannibalism as a topic to gain notoriety would not be totally irrelevant here, HG.

          7. HG Tudor says:

            I did not state it was irrelevant, I stated that you are focussing on the wrong thing. The cannibal comment is only a small part of what is going on with this individual.

          8. Sweetest Perfection says:

            And however, it’s what brought his disorder to the public media… I wasn’t focusing just on that, but having already established that he’s a narc we want more answers! Anyway, you have the patience of a saint, sorry for being such a pain.

          9. HG Tudor says:

            You are not a pain, you shared your observations and did so in a reasonable manner.

          10. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Awww thanks!

          11. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Sorry for insisting but I can’t stop ruminating about this. Because most humans would feel repulsed to eat other humans based on empathy and moral reasons, would it be correct to assume that, other than in catastrophic situations and exclusively for survival, i.e, a plane crash on the Andes, any act of cannibalism in the human species would be perpetrated by narcissists?

          12. HG Tudor says:

            Or by psychopaths and possibly some mentally unwell individuals suffering from delusions.

          13. Sweetest Perfection says:

            True. Or under the effects of some powerful hallucinogens like MDPV. In any case, in view of your answer I decided to replace the hot sauce with plain tomato…

          14. A Victor says:

            Hahaha!! SP, I believe that is a wise decision!! Laughing!

          15. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Recent news: Hammer’s ex-girlfriend (another one), Paige Lorenze, has declared that the actor was trying to convince her to find a doctor to get her bottom ribs removed so that he could eat them, arguing that she didn’t need them. She was also covered in bruises during the time they were dating, therefore, I correct my previous supposition that he may be an ULA. I didn’t think he was violent, but apparently I was wrong.

          16. Chihuahuamum says:

            Id be best with sweet and sour sauce 🤣😂 dark web i don’t even want to imagine eek!!

          17. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Haha I was taking a shower and staring at my chicken tenders… any hot sauce would be ok with me!/on me!

          18. HG Tudor says:

            HG approves of hot sauce.

          19. NarcAngel says:

            In fairness, it’s hard to focus when you’re brought to nostalgia about the halcyon days of the McRib.

          20. Witch says:

            “HG approves of hot sauce”

            How to get HG to obsess over you? Dangle a scotch bonnet over your punai!
            Wow, I’m learning a lot about psychopaths here

          21. HG Tudor says:

            Approval does not equate to obsession. Your learning must continue.

          22. MP says:

            SP I have read that he’s into consensual non consent where he raped and physically abuse a consenting woman and the woman was covered with bruises afterwards. One of the women he dated also said that he liked licking her cuts. He’s really sick.

          23. Sweetest Perfection says:

            He definitely is sick but, how do you get raped consensually? Isn’t consensual non consent like a double negative? Is that a thing? I’m speaking from pure ignorance. What I read this morning about trying to convince her ex to see a doctor to get her ribs removed to eat them tells me all. Whether he’s serious about it -this woman swears he was 100% serious- or not, at the least mention of the idea I would run. Really fast.

          24. MP says:

            Hello SP,

            I actually first heard about consensual non consent here at Narcsite. There was a lady who commented on a thread where we were having a discussion about Kobe Bryant’s rape accuser. The lady said that Kobe Bryant probably thought that they were having a consensual non consent. I was not persuaded by her arguments but that made me look up what consensual non consent is. Apparently, there is still a prior consent needed before a consensual non consent but the consent given is a blanket consent wherein the submissive (I hope I got the term right) is giving the dominant person a comprehensive consent that the dom can do anything that the sub might not normally give consent to like brutal rape etc. and the dom doesn’t need to tell the submissive what s/he is going to do prior to the act. I think it’s a very dangerous thing to agree to and abusers can take advantage of it like we see Armie Hammer has done to these women. The commenter here who told me about it seem to enjoy doing it. I guess maybe some people like being extremely vulnerable and giving consent to someone to basically do whatever they want to do to them is probably one of the highest form of vulnerability.

            I totally agree, I would run really fast too if someone tries to treat me like a food.

          25. MP says:

            Also SP, I wonder how a consent given in a consensual non consent stand legally if challenged. Like if the dom went too far and the sub sues for example for rape or physical assault, can the dom say that he had prior consent to do whatever he wants? I tried to look up if it has been challenged in the courts but I didn’t see anything.

          26. MP says:

            Paige Lorenze, his ex that he carved an A on said,
            “Consent is really complex, and saying yes to something does not negate the trauma you might be burdened with after the fact.”

            I totally agree with everything she said in that sentence which makes me even more question the consensual non consent arrangement. How valid is that consent at all? Would that discourage a victim from filing a complaint for being assaulted or raped because she gave a blanket consent prior to the acts? And should they be discouraged to take legal actions or is it reasonable?

          27. MP says:

            SP, I found an article about consensual non consent saying there are safe words or gestures to be use when the submissive doesn’t like what is being done. So according to this article the sub can stop it if it crosses his/her boundary. The description of Armie Hammer’s ex sounded more like what the commenter here described to me where it’s a total blanket consent and the sub relinquishes all the control to the dom. It seems like different people have different ideas what CNC is.

          28. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Thank you MP. In my opinion, blanket consent is dangerous because it erases the limits of when there’s rape before the law. I could imagine it was some kind of role playing by which they pretend to be engaged in a forceful sexual act but still know they both agreed. If you are a good dome I presume there won’t be any trauma involved. When the dom happens to be a narcissist, the damage can be really deep including the fact that now the victim may feel guilty or responsible for what happened to her. I know very little about BDSM so I’m just giving an opinion here. One time my narc and I were sexting, he started screaming things like GO DOWN TO THE FLOOR! NOW, BITCH! I was surprised as it was totally out of nowhere, and asked: Why? What? SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET DOWN ON YOU KNEEES. I’M STEPPING ON YOUR NECK. Nobody had talked about any of this before. I turned off the computer and went to bed, leaving his sorry ass there. Not to show I’m better than anyone here, but in my case there was absolutely no consent of this and I didn’t feel excited to get into it.

          29. MP says:

            I agree with you SP. <3

          30. Sweetest Perfection says:

            The same ex said he carved an “A” (asshole?) in her arm with a knife, which was extremely painful, and boasted about it in front of his friends (more assholes?) afterwards. I don’t know if the woman consented to that, which seems likely, or was tied or drugged when it happened. She coincides with the other ex though in having to received professional help after the relationship was over due to the abuse she suffered.

          31. MP says:

            Hello SP,

            I can only make a guess about the “A” carving in her arm which could be completely wrong.

            My guess is that she was totally under his spell from love bombing, mirroring, ET etc. and she still thought that this is a wonderful guy who cares about her and just has some really dark kinks. My guess is that the carving was done during one of their consensual non consent. She said that it was extremely painful so I don’t know if she was drugged would she still feel pain? I’m completely ignorant about feeling drugged though. She may have been tied when he did it. My guess is that she also may have assumed that “A” stands for his name and she was being submissive and allowing him to brand her his name. And then he humiliated her by saying the A in her arm means asshole to his friends. He’s an extremely evil, sick and cruel person. I hope that people take the stories of his victims seriously.

          32. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Hahahaha MP, the asshole part was my sarcasm. The A obviously meant to stand for Armie, to brand her as a possession of his. Sorry for the confusion but I felt like insulting this bastard and even worse, his friends! If a friend of mine did that to his partner I would stop being friends with him.

          33. MP says:

            Well I’m glad that it never happened because the thought that he even humiliated her by saying that she got branded as an asshole really got me so mad haha. I feel bad for all of his victims and I have to say though that I am glad that his wife is sticking up for them in a way by saying that she believes them. I think those women are empaths and I’m glad that all of these are being exposed so their experiences are validated in a way.

          34. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I agree. Good for his ex! I have wondered if she had to go through a similar form of abuse though it seems he treated her in a different manner according to the quote HG read about “not being able to pull my wife’s hair.”

          35. MP says:

            Yes SP, lickemtomorrow brought up the Madonna and Whore complex regarding the way he treated her versus the other women. She may have gotten a Stepford devaluation.

  10. Truthseeker6157 says:

    Lovely, Thank you, something for my listening pleasure as I walk Ralph. Just about to press play. Looking forward to this. Guy has the face of an angel.

    1. Truthseeker6157 says:

      Gone off him now.

      Another one bites the dust, or toe, or rib, whatever.

      Great analysis HG, so much information was synthesised there. Really appreciate the work that went into it.

      UMR Somatic? Has to be.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Thank you.

      2. K says:

        I agree; ULN Type B Somatic.

        1. Truthseeker6157 says:

          Ha ha! You think? Lesser? I should just give up on these, I’m rubbish at them.

          1. K says:

            Hahahahaha…I could be wrong. Based on his posts/videos (Performance Identity) he comes across as a Lesser and I see more aggressiveness than affableness. He has no facade whatsoever, either.

            The tat on his finger also suggests Lesser.


        2. Sweetest Perfection says:

          Type A. If I like him, he’s somatic ULA haha.

          1. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I’m not the expert here of course, but I can draw some similarities with my narc: apart from the obvious somatic cadre, he’s not concerned about the possible implications of his public IG posts and/or his texting scandalous stuff to his appliances even when he’s in the public eye. His entitlement and his spontaneous, instinctive provocations to get fuel are not calibrated or careful in any manner; he’s not passive aggressive or tries to play the victim, he’s a lesser, though smart and functional enough to be able to make a good career. He just gets what he wants when he wants. He likes to provoke because he thinks it’s fun, edgy, and he won’t have to deal with any repercussions because he’s a celebrity and he’s handsome aka, a god. He doesn’t exhibit any display of physical violence, brutality, or bully behavior, just focused on his satisfaction of fuel; when he gets tired of one appliance he jumps to the next. He’s not a B type in my opinion, he’s my narc. And both of them love meat and love to post gruesome pictures of dead animals, BDSM pics, and questionable behavior on social media just to cause a reaction.

          2. A Victor says:

            He sounds so much like the summer narc to me, how he seduced me, his kinkiness, his complete confidence/aggression. He is an ULAS. A or B, Hammer sounds dangerous.

          3. lickemtomorrow says:

            I think he sounds dangerous, too. I’m not so sure I’d downplay his confession around cannibalism. What is the article where we are reminded that the narcissist has warned us? Could that extend as far as a desire to consume human flesh? Or is he just being grandiose and wanting to impress, excite or generate fear in a secondary source? Maybe they wouldn’t be fearful because he they wouldn’t believe him either. Oh dear.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Has any evidence manifested that he has eaten anybody? Remember for many narcissists control is obtained in the saying so there is no need for the doing.

          5. A Victor says:

            Dangerous to empaths even if he doesn’t literally eat them.

          6. lickemtomorrow says:

            Haha, HG, I just saw your comment after I posted mine:P OOPS!

            All talk, no action unless he was of the Greater kind. And then they’d probably just eat you without the niceties (of a warning!) It does seem a rather extreme thing to say and even contemplate. I’m just putting him down as a weirdo and a narcissist for now. Should he also have the label of psychopath?

          7. A Victor says:

            This is easy to forget but even so, threats are scary to me, because you never know if they might follow through.

          8. Asp Emp says:

            It has been done AV 😉 …. ever watched ‘Hannibal’? I would have attached the scene from the movie but it may (understandably) not have passed moderation.

          9. A Victor says:

            Yes, I have seen the Hannibal movies, they’re interesting. But since they’re only movies they don’t cause the same reaction that someone saying these things to me directly would. I actually pictured in my mind three that of being fed to an alligator, terrifying! Someone stating they’re want to barbque me, same! I guess I’m a chicken… 😂

          10. Asp Emp says:

            Yes, they’re movies – watching them now is very different compared to when you’re a lot younger….. ah, no, not the ‘chicken’….. laughing

    2. Sweetest Perfection says:

      In the middle of the dilemma “is Hammer a cannibal or not” there was another intriguing thing that I forgot to ask, TS: who’s Ralph?

      1. NarcAngel says:

        If she’s walking Ralph, I hope he’s a dog and not a date.

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          Yeah I was gonna ask if it was her UL.

          1. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Ha ha,

            Ralph is my dog. Xx

          2. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I supposed. What breed? I love dogs.

          3. Truthseeker6157 says:


            Ralph is a mutt. I rescued him from a kill shelter in TN. He was dumped in a pen outside the shelter in the middle of the night.
            He is a cross between a Border Collie and a Schnauzer, best guess of the vet, which makes him a Schnollie!

          4. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I bet he’s super smart. I love his name. My first dog in this country was a schnauzer. We recently adopted a little Havanese/schnauzer mix. She is only 1 or 2 and someone abandoned her in a park. A friend found her but couldn’t keep her in his rented apartment so we asked him to bring her. She didn’t have a microchip and nobody responded to any Facebook posts (I was secretly hoping nobody did) so she stayed! My other dog is 85 pounds and she is 15, yet she is the dominant dog. It’s really funny. My husband tries to keep any facebook posts about abandoned dogs away from me because I want to keep all of them.

          5. Truthseeker6157 says:


            I’m the same. I can’t look. When I’m old and live in my house on the hill, I will have loads of rescue dogs!

            That is comical that the tiny dog is boss dog, I love that, their wiring is so bizarre sometimes when it comes down to the structure of the pack.
            Ralph is reasonably smart, I had a Belgian Shepherd previously, who was very very bright. A failed police dog with a lopsided ear. Comparatively, Ralph isn’t as bright, but, he is equally as emotionally intelligent.

            I talk to my dogs constantly. They recognise changes in my emotions, largely due to my voice I assume. Pheromones too no doubt. When I hurt my Achilles I still walked Ralph but he can pull if he sees a rabbit or something to chase. I told him, ‘No pulling Ralph, I’m sore, be gentle.” He looked right in my face and we set off. His pace was slow, he likely sensed lack of tension in the lead and could feel the limp, but still, he didn’t pull until the pain was gone a week or so later. Same deal, every walk. Once I was healed, normal service resumed! Ha ha. Dogs bond emotionally as we do. You don’t always have to speak to show you love someone.

  11. lickemtomorrow says:

    OMG, I haven’t read this article yet, but I saw something written about him in the last few days and was hoping to bring it to your attention, HG. Now I see you are on it already 🙂

    I was shocked at the article which I read in the Daily Mail and straight away thought “NARCISSIST”!

    I had to warn my eldest daughter, of course, because she is a big Armie Hammer fan. She brought him to my attention a while ago crowing about his good looks and so on. I wasn’t impressed and now I’m even less impressed. In fact, I’m in shock! The two of us watched one of his latest offerings on Netflix recently – “Rebecca” (great novel and unimpressive film version this time round). He acts as a bit of an asshole in that movie and also seemed narcissistic, so his real life persona probably fit his character quite well in this instance.

    Anyway, when I brought it up with my daughter yesterday she said she had heard about it already and wouldn’t mind donating a body part!!! Seriously?? The fact is I don’t think she is taking it seriously. Might have to forward this one to her. She needs to get a handle on these bad actors (lol).

    1. A Victor says:

      Let, your Spidey sense is working too!

      1. lickemtomorrow says:

        It is indeed, AV, and it’s becoming more finely tuned every day 🙂

        Plus, I think my daughter needs a slight awakening to the issue <3

        1. A Victor says:

          Lickemtomorrow, your daughter is in good hands with you for a mother, you are wise and knowledgeable, she is blessed.

          1. lickemtomorrow says:

            Awww,thanks so much, AV <3

            There are so many wonderful mothers here who have their kids best interests at heart. I know I am in good company xox

    2. MP says:

      Haha, I can see myself making a joke like that when I was much younger. But I totally understand your point and it’s best for young people to be aware of people like him.

      1. lickemtomorrow says:

        LOL, me too AV, and being totally oblivious to the real concerns. Of course, a crush on a film star is not out of the question for any of us 😉 And chances of meeting one in real life are at best minimal. I think there is an adequate safety net in place for now … but, it might be an ideal time to discuss the topic of narcissism. I just have to get past Armie’s good looks and what’s left of his facade to convince her!

        1. lickemtomorrow says:

          OOPS, sorry MP, that comment was intended for you 🙂

        2. MP says:

          Haha no worries LET.

          I think you can use her already existing interest in him to your advantage regarding teaching her about people like him and looking at the prominent red flags. 🙂

          1. lickemtomorrow says:

            Definitely, MP. It’s a great segway into the topic of narcissism and HG has handed us quite a few prominent people to focus on. That fact she’s quite taken with this one means we can do some unpacking around it. Gotta get their interest first and then do the follow up. I think the fact HG points out the specific elements of narcissism helps alot. Such as “sense of entitlement”, “lack of boundary recognition”, and so on. That way, when any of us come across the same signs in someone else we’ll know what we are dealing with. It can only be a positive in the long run. Hopefully she won’t be too adamant about clinging onto the facade (what’s left of it!) x

    3. K says:

      I think this my be the article that you are referring to:

      1. lickemtomorrow says:

        You’re on it K! That’s the one 🙂 Thanks for linking.

        It’s one of those articles that stood out for me because the narcissist is literally telling us who they are and we are not listening. We have our blinders on and dismiss their claims, even refuting them. I get what HG is saying about narcissistic ‘hot air’ and how they like to blow it out their asses to make a good impression, and then there is the deliberate removal of the mask as a way of testing us. I’ve tried to find that article, but no luck so far. I think the question for the empath is are we going to hang around to find out if it’s true? In Armie’s case I think the answer is “RUN!”

        1. Fiddleress says:

          LET, I really like this article too!
          I think in my case it was even worse than hanging around to find out if it was true: the last narc actually said (very early on): “I am not normal.” And I thought, yay, cool, great, normal people bore me! I actually thought he was boasting. So I didn’t really believe him, in fact. I was just hoping he would prove extra-ordinary – he did not disappoint, I’ll grant him that! Just a shame that it was in a bad way.

          1. lickemtomorrow says:

            I think a few of us are bored by normal people, Fiddleress. Part of our addiction, no doubt (sigh). I can’t remember my narc coming out with a specific comment, but he was definitely a stand out in lots of ways. He had a gentlemanly exterior that belied a more rebellious interior. I liked that nice on top, naughty underneath element. It was very seductive. I think we were both hoping for something we never got. And it is a shame. Because no doubt we both have a lot to offer … to the right guy now, of course xox

          2. Fiddleress says:

            LET, from the way you describe your ex, I can see how seductive that must have been! I also thought ‘mine’ was a real gentleman at first. I was totally fooled because to begin with, I truly thought he was very kind and gentle. That was the first time I saw him. And how I gave life to that illusion!
            Thank you for what you said, that we both have a lot to offer (i.e me included): I really need the reminder as far as I’m concerned, sometimes! But you are absolutely right. XX

        2. A Victor says:

          I agree.

        3. K says:

          My pleasure lickemtomorrow
          Hahahahaha….either way we should RUN! When an individual makes such provocative comments it is a Red Flag and should not be dismissed. This may be the other article you are referring to.

          “There are occasions however when we provide you with a fleeting glance beneath the mask as to what lies beneath.”

          1. lickemtomorrow says:

            That’s the one, K! I was typing in all sorts to do with the mask and unmasking in the search bar, but it didn’t bring this one up. Thank you so much. I’m going to take another look at it, And I agree, either way we should RUN!

        4. K says:

          Always a pleasure lickemtomorrow!
          If you ever have trouble finding an article, try this trick. Google: narcsite removal of the mask (or whatever words you remember) and voila! There’s a good chance it will pull up the article you are looking for.

          You can also do an image search.

          Google: narcsite, then do an image search. This works really well when you can’t remember the title/words.

          This is a fun article; type: emergency into the search bar and read the article dated January 14, 2016 and see if you can guess the answer.

          1. Z - zwartbolleke says:


            your qualities are amazing!

            (And I had the answer wrong of course, why did I even try…)


          2. lickemtomorrow says:

            Wow! So much good advice, K, and I’m going to copy and past it for future reference 🙂

            I will also follow up on your suggestion and see if I can guess the answer … love a good mystery when all is said and done x

          3. lickemtomorrow says:

            OK, K, I have read the article you recommended and here is my thinking:

            We have an IPPS and a candidate IPPS (CIPPS).

            The IPPS is being given an excuse and the CIPPS is being tested for a response.

            Both calls made by the narcissist to separate fuel sources, one being the primary (current IPPS) and the other being secondary (the CIPPS).

            Alternatively it could be two IPSS, one of which is an IPPS in waiting (i.e a CIPPS).

            I’ll be interested to know the correct answer 🙂

          4. K says:

            Very good! Here’s the answer.


          5. lickemtomorrow says:

            Wow! Thanks, K 🙂

            I see I was on the right trail, but rather than candidate it turned out to be former. A hoover never crossed my mind! I now see where my blindspot is 😛

          6. Leigh says:

            Thank you for this K! First, thank you for showing us how to search and second for leading us to a great article.

            I love Mr. Tudor’s older articles. I wish he would recycle them more often. There’s so much great info in his earlier posts and I think the newer readers could benefit from them.

            House of Discards & Harpoon of Seduction are two of my favorites.

        5. K says:

          Thank you Z – zwartbolleke!

          Hahahaha…you crack me up!

          Always try, even if you are wrong. If you are wrong 100 times, who cares, you will get it right on 101 time; tenacity!!!

          Technically, if you read my answer, I didn’t get it right either!


        6. K says:

          My pleasure lickemtomorrow!
          it’s all about the learning on narcsite; HG makes us think.

        7. K says:

          My pleasure Leigh!
          Searching articles is fun and, once you get used to it, it is very easy!

          House of Discards & Harpoon of Seduction are excellent; I like Colour Me Narc, as well,
          and I agree; I wish he would recycle them more often, too.

  12. Sweetest Perfection says:

    Let me go outside to scream out of pure excitement…. AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE BEST. Thank you!!!!!!

  13. Asp Emp says:

    I had never heard of this guy until this article released about him.

    1. Bubbles 🍾 says:

      Dearest Asp Emp,
      Me too ! Whooooo ???
      Luv Bubbles xx 😘

      1. Asp Emp says:

        Yes, I Googled him and read as far as the fact about his love for meat…….. Hammer’s it, no doubt…. laughing…..

      2. njfilly says:

        I didn’t know who he was either.

        I also don’t think he is that good looking. I’d classify him as “not bad”.

  14. K says:

    Hahahaha…he’s A Very Hungry Narcissist! I never heard of Arm & Hammer until recently.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Interesting. I always bought the toothpaste to take back to the UK when I was in the US, before it was widely available

      1. K says:

        I was wondering if it was available in the UK. I use the baking soda to make toilet fizzies to help combat hard water stains; Less scrubbing.

    2. Sweetest Perfection says:

      K, I fell in love with him after I watched him in Call Me By My Name on the plane, even though the movie is about two guys that fall in love with each other. Then I watched the latest remake of the classic Rebecca. He is extremely handsome, but I wouldn’t let him eat my ribs.

      1. Sweetest Perfection says:

        *sorry, the title is call me by your name not my name. I was just fantasizing…

      2. K says:

        Sweetest Perfection
        Hahahahahaha…he is very handsome and his cannibalism and kink fetishes are definitely edgy!

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          My narc said the same stuff to me. I took it exactly in the way HG interprets it in the video, but who knows… I could have ended up in somebody’s grill, next to a glass of Chianti…

          1. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            Hahahahaha…I think HG interprets it correctly; it’s highly unlikely that AH would grill these women and eat them. His cannibalism fetish is just an assertion of control.

          2. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Yeah like my asshole, that’s why I said that. He repeated many times he wanted to devour me and he would eat my (insert body parts) etc. I didn’t think it was Hannibal Lecter-like. Hammer was probably trying to sound scrumptious and mysterious too, sounds like an Upper Lesser’s courtship when in heat to me.

          3. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I can’t stop thinking of Fried Green Tomatoes. He should have starred that movie.

          4. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            As Frank, the wife beater?

          5. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Yep! Barbecue time!!

          6. WhoCares says:


            “sounds like an Upper Lesser’s courtship when in heat to me”


          7. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            Hahahaha….BBQ time! And he was fed to the detectives working the case.

        2. Fiddleress says:

          Hi K!
          Re your question to SP about how Hammer fitted in Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Café: “As Frank, the wife beater?”
          That would be doubly apt: as the abuser, and as the character who ends up on the grill, haha !

          1. K says:

            Hahahahaha…exactly what I was thinking! Franks’ death reminds of the line in Goodbye Earl by the (Dixie) Chicks.

            “And summer faded into fall
            And it turns out he was a missing person who nobody missed at all”

      3. Witch says:

        Please don’t force it!
        He’s ight – like maybe a 5/6 out of 10
        but he’s not extremely handsome. Are you sure it’s not just because he’s tall that you’re giving him extra points?

        (Before anyone gets offended, yes I’m aware people have different tastes and it’s all subjective. I just tease, okay? Cool)

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          I liked him in Call Me by your Name and in Rebecca. In both of these films he portrays the role of a cosmopolitan, classy, educated upper-class man, which is what attracted me the most. I am aware it is just acting, but isn’t that in the end what we all like about narcissists?

          1. A Victor says:

            Good point!

          2. Witch says:

            And then there’s me…fancying elves that want to destroy the human race and drug dealers

          3. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Elves?? With those pointy ears? Yuck! Haha

          4. Fiddleress says:

            SP, “it is just acting, but isn’t that in the end what we all like about narcissists?”
            Yes, so long as we do not give in to the suspension of disbelief!

            It’s funny, just before I read your comment, I was thinking of what narcex said when I mentioned the ‘suspension of disbelief’: he replied with his ‘suspension of belief’, but it wasn’t clear whether he preferred this, or could not help it.

        2. Sweetest Perfection says:

          I forgot to say, Witch, I find tall guys pretty uncomfortable. They usually give me a neck crick.

          1. Witch says:

            I usually liked short people until I dated a talk guy and then I understood what other women meant. It can be nice to be the little little spoon. The little pea in a sea of cuddles.
            Someone said to me maybe it’s because I’m looking for an equal partner as to why I like short people

        3. A Victor says:

          I’m with you on this @witch, he’s not bad boy enough for me! Not unattractive of course but not Butcher either, lol!

          1. Sweetest Perfection says:

            AV, most of us have demonstrated to have very poor taste when coupling anyway. That’s how we ended up here…

          2. A Victor says:

            SP hahaha, you hit that right on the head!!

          3. A Victor says:

            I’m finding this thread fun but you are correct. I had/have no idea how to couple well. Learning what to avoid here but I’ll need to do more on the what to look for side also if I decide to date again.

          4. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I did couple well and then fucked up! Don’t worry, we may all have exquisite taste with a license to splurge in kitch every now and then…

          5. A Victor says:

            SP, I think you’re correct! Good grief, lol at my thing with… James Spader! Kitch! Haha

          6. Sweetest Perfection says:

            James Spader is not kitch! He’s vintage!!!

          7. Witch says:

            @A Victor
            I agree, he’s like a beige wall – you don’t hate it but it’s not really interesting

          8. A Victor says:

            SP, how embarrassing!!! Thank you for straightening me out! I thought kitch was something from the 50’s! Haha, I don’t even think he’s that old! Well, I now learned 3 new words today.

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