The Saviour Cadre of Empath



There are four schools of empath (Co-Dependent, Standard, Super and Contagion). There are many cadres of empath which layer on to those schools. These cadres include the Carrier, the Magnet and the Geyser, about which I have written previously. A further cadre is that of the Saviour Empath.

The Saviour Empath’s mission is to heal and to save, to ensure that good prevails. They are the archetypal believer in the idea that there is some good in everybody. With regard to our kind, the Saviour Empath does not consider that we are intrinsically ‘evil’ or ‘bad’. They prefer to adopt the view that there is good locked away inside of us and that it just has to be discovered, unlocked and set free. This notion of course and the desire to address this apparent goodness is a very strong binder which enables us to keep a hold on the Saviour Empath. Indeed, there are those of our kind who will play on this concept and this is addressed below.

The Saviour Empath feels an overriding need to save the world. They wish to right the wrongs, heal the sick, tend to the injured and ensure that injustices are overturned. It is this desire which is at the very heart of the Saviour Empath. The Saviour Empath is often someone who subscribes to a belief system (whether it is organised religion, karma, paganism or similar) although the absence of such a belief does not discount the person as being a Saviour Empath, but a reliance on a belief system is a hallmark of the Saviour Empath.  How does this manifest with regard to each school of empath?

Standard Empath  – the Saviour Standard Empath regards it as imperative that he or she comes to the aid of people. They will donate to charity, help out voluntary organisations and are giving of their time. With regard to the narcissist, this manifests as adopting a sympathetic and compassionate approach to the unusual behaviours (when the empath is not aware they are ensnared by a narcissist) of the narcissist. Accordingly, they regard the narcissist as a ‘good’ person (supported by the narcissist’s illusory behaviour during the golden period) and therefore when devaluation occurs they will ascribe the behaviour to arising from a third party event rather than seeing it as the behaviour of the narcissist at work. The Standard Empath wants to assist the narcissist and does so by trying to understand and offer solutions linked to the aberrant behaviour that is being witnessed. The Saviour Standard Empath whilst wanting to save the narcissist from whatever terrible third party event or influence that is causing the behaviour (for example, is the narcissist struggling at work, is he stressed, has he got problems with money or drink?). The Saviour Standard Empath will put themselves in the firing line when trying to assist, but they do not tend to regard the problem as much to do with them but rather another factor which they want to tackle and overcome.

Super Empath – the Saviour Super Empath is akin to a caped crusader who fires into action whenever he or she witnesses injustice. They cannot help but interfere when really it is not their business (this is the narcissistic trait of selfishness coming to the fore momentarily). The Saviour Super Empath will not turn a blind eye to someone in trouble, they will help the injured person and then look to tackle the perpetrator (or at least bring them to account through formal channels). Thus is the Saviour Super Empath sees someone being attacked, they will help the victim, look to fight off the attacker and/or chase them down, either themselves or enlisting help. They cannot let any kind of injustice go unaddressed. The Saviour Super Empath has a very strong moral compass and therefore when they see something that is wrong, it very much boils their piss so they spring into action. Whilst they always look to help people, what really matters to the Saviour Super Empath is bringing people to account for their actions. If they see a person cutting into a queue (line) they will upbraid the offender. If they witness a person stealing, they will look to stop them or report them. The Saviour Super Empath is a firm believer in the need for good to prevail, whether this is in a situation or in a person. With regard to the narcissist that a Saviour Super Empath is embroiled with, the Saviour Super Empath knows that this person has a kernel of goodness and if they only triedto embrace it, let it shine etc then such a difference will appear. They believe the narcissist has it inside of them to make adjustments, amend their behaviour and harness the intrinsic goodness inside of them. The Saviour Super Empath knows that they are a force for good and they believe that the narcissist can do the same. The Saviour Super Empath recognises that they themselves are good people but that they have some degree of edge to them (their narcissistic traits appearing from time to time) and they often regard the narcissist in the same light – a person who has edge but is intrinsically good – and this fools the Saviour Super Empath in to wanting to assist and save the narcissist.

The Co-Dependent – the Co-Dependent who is of the Saviour Cadre finds the world to be a terrible place and wishes to administer succour to the downtrodden, to assist the hurt, and to heal the wounds of the injured. They are less concerned about bringing the offender to justice and more about attending to the people who are left cowering and broken in the wake of oppression and violence. The Saviour Co-Dependent is a person who is extremely caring and compassionate – the type of person who would join Medicins Sans Frontieres and arriving at the scene of a humanitarian disaster would work themselves into the ground to try and ease the suffering of each and every person even though it is an impossible task. They are often overwhelmed by the cruelty of the world and despair at its evil ways, but this will not stop them from trying to save each and every person who is in need of help. This applies to the way they engage with the narcissist. The Saviour Co-Dependent (“SCD”) knows and is absolutely convinced that the narcissist is at heart a good person and with the right application of guidance, support, compassion and tolerance the narcissist will change, will improve and let that goodness shine. The SCD will not give up on the narcissist, even to personal cost to themselves. They know that redemption is just around the corner, that improvement is on the horizon and they will, with a zeal bordering on delusion, grasp at any sign of improvement or alteration in the narcissist’s behaviour as evidence that their faith has not proven incorrect.

The SCD will flagellate themselves in the pursuit of trying to help and heal the narcissist, their emotional thinking and innate desire to do good, plus their own need to achieve validation through their giving of themselves means he or she will continue to try to achieve the impossible. They will not wish to give up, they will see glimmers of hope, slivers of optimism and fragments of possibility in order to achieve their aim of saving the narcissist.

The Contagion – the Saviour Contagion Empath (“SCE”) will manifest their desire to assist as a consequence of the severe impact felt by them of the negative energy, suffering and misery that accompanies the human condition. The desire to save and resolve, to eradicate the diseased and bring about the healing is different to that of the other schools of empath. The SCE needs to achieve this in order to secure balance, which is their primary aim. By redressing the bad, through their saving good works then balance is restored and the polluting impact upon them of the negative energy which they feel – the manifestation of the woe, misery and hurt that others feel – is removed and no longer (albeit temporarily) ceases to be a burden upon them. With regard to the narcissist, the removal of the dark energy surrounding and flowing from the narcissist’s behaviours has a considerable impact on the finely-tuned SCE. In order to alleviate their own pain, in order to prevent themselves from being consumed by the darkness which they acutely feel, the SCE seeks to save the narcissist from their dark self. They similarly wish to achieve balance with their own personal narcissist or narcissists.

How are these various schools of Saviour Empath regarded by our brethren? As you might expect, the SE is naturally desired by narcissists for their empathic traits, class and special traits too. Accordingly, no narcissist will ever shy away from the ensnaring of the SE. There are certain schools and cadres of narcissist however that desire the SE in particular.

Victim Narcissists desire the Saviour Empath owing to their need to be mothered, looked after and saved from their various ailments (real or imagined). The SE’s desire to bring about healing and resolution is savoured by this cadre of narcissist. Lesser Narcissists will not turn away a Saviour Empath, but they are not favoured (unless the Lesser is of the Victim Cadre) since the Lesser has no truck with the idea of being healed or saved. From what? Will be the mocking response as their  complete lack of self-awareness means that they have no comprehension or need to be saved in that manner.

Mid Range Narcissists treasure Saviour Empaths because of the fact that some Mid Range Narcissists like to play the ‘troubled soul’ or ‘personal demons’ approach. Whilst unaware of what they are, their awareness that there is something not quite right, coupled with their passive behaviours and need for attention, means that the Mid Range Narcissist truly sees the Saviour Empath as the one who will save him from himself, even though this is just part of the manipulation to keep the Saviour Empath hooked. The Mid Range will revel in becoming the pet project for the Saviour Empath and will instinctively play along by tossing a bone of apparent awareness or improvement in order to maintain the hoped for glorious redemption that the Saviour Empath craves.

The Greater Narcissist is likely to prefer other cadres but again is not going to kick the Saviour Empath out of bed for eating crisps. The Greater may find tormenting the Saviour Empath a delightful machination by increasing the visibility of their dark side so that the Saviour Empath sees a challenge which has to be surmounted. Of course, the Saviour Empath is blind to the fact that the Greater cannot be healed or saved, but that will not stop the Saviour Empath from trying time and time again.

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22 thoughts on “The Saviour Cadre of Empath

  1. Ciara says:

    Biden is a narc , who didn’t listen to advisors . However,Trump is one too.. Trump didn’t listen to nobody. ( see the trend) Narcissists only want control and fuel period…The narc changed but The agenda stays the same. People in high power are mostly narcs. Some do a wonderful job; It all depends on your viewpoint. No I’m not a fan of Biden nor Trump.

  2. Fiddleress says:

    All I can say is that being a Saviour empath sucks. I know, because that’s what I am, overwhelmingly. But then maybe being an empath, no matter what sort, sucks full stop.
    Knowing this, I now make conscious efforts to limit my tendency to want to save people (for instance, I practise not giving money to beggars in the street, as this is going to leave me moneyless at the end of the day because there are so many of them – and I pay so much in tax to the State that I am already doing my bit: the State should deal with it thanks to all this tax money). Also, I have done my best to make sure that my daughter’s father (a narc) got unemployment money and other benefits, because he couldn’t deal with all the red tape, so the rest is up to him to continue to live or not. He is letting himself die, alone, and I cannot change this.
    It was heart-breaking at first, but I am sticking to it and finding it easier by the day. Is this my empathy seriously eroding, or logic kicking in? Or age, maybe (a half-century and a little bit, here)?
    I won’t save the world, I have to lower my ambitions here, haha. Won’t even save one person if they don’t want to be saved/helped. For the moment, I am still extremely disappointed that it is the case, but trying to find a way of living with it (by “it”, I mean the state of this world).

    1. A Victor says:

      Hi Fiddleress,
      Being a savior empath can be very heavy. Before I knew of narcissism or empaths, I had realized this tendency in myself, not toward my ex but toward others, and made a decision to step back in most instances. If I had not, I wouldn’t have been any good for my family. But the desire never leaves, even when the behavior is different. And yes, in this world as it is now, so difficult at times not to reach out to people.

  3. mollyb5 says:

    HG ..people in the US only watch one news program. I watch multiple and flip over and over to get a real feel for the actual truth. Certain news programs only promote one sided news and don’t show anything negative about Biden. This time three news programs are actually showing some negative footage of Biden. But, most are sheep and just listen to one show takes a lot of time to switch back and forth, even tho on a remote there is a “last” last channel button to easily go back .

  4. mollyb5 says:

    HG ..I wrote it because I wanted it seen again . And many Americans are fooled by him and many others in politics. And the picture you have with the article …came out when I was watching the news and footage of the US Military and GB military being handed an Afghani small child.

    1. A Victor says:

      Hi Molly, your reasoning makes sense to me. It speaks to the idea that there are many types of narcissists and some are much more difficult to discern than others. Trump is obvious to anyone who is awake, Biden is not obvious even to those who are looking for it, though, as you say, this Afghanistan situation is really showing him for what he is.

      1. mollyb5 says:

        Well actually Victor , the type of people who love having power gravitate where they can control people , they get a thrill from the decisions they make about other peoples lives. It feels powerful to them …it makes them feel good , and politics is where many gravitate . Lawyers are also another profession narc gravitate towards .That doesn’t mean they are all narcs but many narcissistic personalities , …. I feel HG has written about this. I can spot them in the words they choose on their own accord …Biden reads off prompters a lot ….And practices responses and takes very very few questions . (Dementia)and he is rude and has a bad temper …and he doesn’t remember actual factual information about his own family …he had cards to read off in his hands usually when meeting with other world leaders ! he recites wrong numbers on everything. He even gets facts about his own family that everyone knows wrong ! So probably all our world leaders are Narcs ….we just need to know what type …some actually want to please and “look good”to the world . So it’s best in my opinion to know the past decisions and how their children respect them and act in public. (What’s expected of their own family, is important ) Biden made a decision based on thinking he knows best and he ignored his advisors this time. Biden’s own son takes advantage of his political name. And If you look up what Obama said about Biden and how slow he was to promote Biden in the election . Narcs can do awesome jobs at many things they are good at …they are not total evil. You will not see the bad in the real powerful the highly educated ones unless you are closely watching or involved personally .

        1. njfilly says:

          “So it’s best in my opinion to know the past decisions and how their children respect them and act in public”

          Their children may not respect them at all, they may just be acting.

          This makes me think about something. In the past hearing about a person whose family no longer speaks to them. As an example; “Well, her children no longer speak to her, so that should tell you something” As if this is proof that the mother is the difficult personality.

          Now, I find myself in this position in that my brother no longer speaks to me. He is a narcissist. An outsider, knowing this information, might believe I am the difficult one due to my brother no longer speaking to me.

          I don’t care, either about my brother, or what strangers think, I just find it interesting how you really never know the full story.

          1. lickemtomorrow says:

            You make a good point here, njfilly, about the dynamic where the narcissist can paint you black, potentially smear you, and ultimately you are seen as the difficult one. It is easy for people who don’t know the full story to make judgements. I often wonder why some people so easily take other’s word for something. Maybe that’s the normals who don’t want to get involved. It’s easier to just reject you. Better not to care.

          2. A Victor says:

            LET, I think sometimes people make judgements and take other’s word for something is because of our own narcissistic traits of showcasing, selfishness (believing we are entitled to state our opinion) etc, or even our empathic traits of justice, healer/fixer, moral compass (we might agree with what we’re told from a moral perspective, even if it is not the truth, not realizing it is not the truth at that moment of course). Likely anyone can potentially be deluded, at least for a while, by a narcissist. And we have loyalties, some to good people and possibly some to bad, until we realize about them. It is not possible to really know what has happened between two other people, the history between them etc. But as humans many think it is acceptable to speak into it sometimes, even from a position of ignorance.

          3. lickemtomorrow says:

            AV, I understand what you are saying here in terms of our own narcissistic traits and how we can be taken in by others (e.g. narcissists) in terms of making judgements, etc. It’s good to acknowledge that and take ownership of it. The narcissist will make it their mission to smear those who are painted black and they can be very convincing. I know I believed my narc when he spoke about his ex-wife and I obviously knew nothing about her apart from what he told me. Now I am in the same position! LOL. But, because I wanted to be in his good graces I would accept what I was told. That could be the part where our narcissistic traits come into play. We want to be on the inner, not on the outer, so we accept what the narcissist says as we want to be accepted. We don’t know the other person, so it doesn’t weigh heavily on us.

            It’s very human and no doubt we’ve all been there. Usually, unless I’ve had direct contact with someone else in order to make my own decision, I’ll leave a little leeway for a differing opinion. In other words, I won’t take someone else’s word for it necesssarily, but I still might take their opinion into account. I would need to determine for myself then whether I ultimately agree or not. It can be very clear sometimes when someone is just trying to run somebody else down for their own purposes. Empaths are pretty good readers of situations in that sense, I think.

            The problem is when you add the narcissist into the mix. They are exceptionally skilled at pulling the wool over people’s eyes, even empaths. A narcissist might be able to convince us, where normally we’d be a little more circumspect. Empaths don’t normally like to make judgements about other people, but it’s a fact we can also be vulnerable to either the narcissist or our own narcissistic traits and it’s good to be aware of that.

          4. mollyb5 says:

            @njfilly Well …children who can “act”can also act appreciative or badly …so whatever way they choose to act means something…depending on the age of the child.

        2. A Victor says:

          Thank you for your reply Molly. I see much of this the same way.

      2. mollyb5 says:

        It really doesn’t matter if the President is a Narc , it’s the people around him that he listens to. When he goes off on his own and stops listening to advisors is when it’s gets bad 🙁 and the advisors have agendas also …So all the other roles and high level positions we vote in …we need to be aware .

        1. A Victor says:

          This is good thinking and I agree, voting thoughtfully is important.

          I saw your comment about getting your news from a variety of sources, I agree with this and would take it one step further, do the research to ensure as much as possible that our sources are reputable and trustworthy.

          Thank you for writing your comments, I enjoyed reading them.

  5. mollyb5 says:

    HG ..Biden is not an empath . America doesn’t want to see women and young children hurt , tortured and murdered . Obviously , most who are leaders don’t care about that..unless it’s future votes for that leader .

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I am unclear why you have written that. I have explained previously that he is a narcissist. There were those who did not accept that. In light of recent comments and decisions, they will have revisited their disagreement.

      1. Duchessbea says:

        I have to admit I was a slight bit skeptical myself. Biden always holds himself so well. But the last few days have been very telling with Biden. Firstly, the press conference that he gave at The White House, the speech, and then walking away from the press without answering any questions. Secondly, the interview with George Stephanoupolis. His whole demeanor, everything. Wow. Shameful what he has done with regard to the people, and the country of Afghanistan.
        Biden seems to be losing his temper quite a lot recently. He appears to lose control of his emotions and react rather than respond. For the office that he holds, it appears, or it seems to be a little bit too much for Biden to handle. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems/appears that way.

      2. mollyb5 says:

        HG I wrote it because of the article , that’s all .

      3. Asp Emp says:

        HG, I recall observing Biden on tv (pre-election) and it was apparent to me in his movements. Had I not been aware of him being a narcissist, I would have thought that he had an issue with his ‘thought-processes’ because of the ‘measured’ (ie too slow) responses when he was addressing the public. Since that time, several videos have appeared of him when he is in public – making ‘errors’ and reporters highlighting that there is something “wrong” with him…..

        1. A Victor says:

          Hi Asp Emp, on many occasions Biden has reminded me of my dad, with his dementia, just a few years ago. It makes me sad on so many levels. Obviously not being a doctor I would not attempt to diagnose what is going on but it seems quite likely that serious is.

          1. Asp Emp says:

            AV, yes, I could see it in Biden – the struggling with his cognitive. He is probably instinctively ‘fighting’ his narcissism continuously, hence the additional difficulty that people are seeing. People are seeing his cognitive ‘difficulty’ but they are not seeing his narcissism. The MRN I knew was also similar as to how Biden is coming across, most possibly because he had a stroke, he recovered yet his cognitive / narcissism was becoming more transparent so he comes out with ‘bipolar’ “diagnosis” (deflection of ‘scrutiny’ because he knew that people who knew him at work would ‘analyse’). I have said it before, maybe MRN was aware ‘narcissist’ but was not going to share it. My dog had canine dementia – very similar to how people act (I know it is not the same yet the actions are).

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