Vladimir Putin – Part One
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Hello out there:
On the topic of more narcissism in the world, doesn’t everyone hate the fact we are being put to work without pay? And why? So some CEO gets more wealth to hoard and more power at the expense of jobs? Take for example the move to more self help at grocery stores where we input the purchases. There was this lovely check out lady Harriette who worked at Ralph’s until she died. A consummate professional who told you about discounts, coupons asked if you needed any help. She worked because she loved her job. Now we get to do her job without pay. Customer service is “ all online” “ go online” hours spent on automated machines. It’s as if you are a consumer who is the one getting the favor not the company. And… you don’t matter. AI will make this worse. We won’t be served. We will get to serve ourselves without pay. Online college classes and degrees where you get a teacher on a repeat wheel. Where is the education if questions and discussions can not be asked. Classical teaching. Analytic instruction and debate. Bye Socrates! We speak of narcissism on selfies and ever increasing isolation with remote jobs ( everyone loves this, I get it) and online entertainment like streaming and gaming where you don’t have to go out to a theatre. Money is saved by eliminating certain jobs and commercial leases but it seems to me, it’s putting us to work without pay. And it doesn’t seem to stop. It seems this technical age will go on forever…but I see a lot of additional stress being put on people. The days of “ the customer must always be right” or “ valued.” Seem to be dying in a corporate owners narc graveyard.
Excellent work HG. Our whole world is run by narcissistic psychopaths. We have all this technology and yet we are ruled by evil people.
It is all about money, control and power. Terrible.
Looking forward to the next entry about the dark triad personality.
I guessed narcissistic psychopath, Machiavelli and sadist. All you needed to see was his meeting with his advisors. His seat at the center. Distanced. And the palpable fear of the others. Sweating terrified looking at him to get guidance of how to live. He is goal oriented. His narcissism was obvious in his shirtless pic on a horse. I always wondered about his bromance with Trump as narcs don’t get along. I always felt he has something on Trump from the Russia vodka deals. Russians were the only ones to lend Trump money. The business failed. Also when Trump was involved in the Miss Universe business and mingled with Russians. I can’t imagine what could be so valuable on him given the ones we already know… over 200 felony charges.
Putnim lived in a communal house. I guess none intervened.
The theme of cornering rats says it all. Quincy Jones lived with his grandmother who fried rats for meals.
Awful.
I am so excited to this series! I know it will be GREAT!
I have questions, please, HG, in relation to Putin as well as another Greater narcissist: Macron. It may be a question that could interest others too, about the state of the world.
Macron declared a few days ago, to absolutely everyone’s surprise and dismay, that ground troops could be sent to Ukraine – other world leaders immediately stated they wouldn’t join. Macron is playing with previous inconsistencies when countries said “No, we won’t send weapons” and finally did, for instance, so it’s easy now for him to say “Oh, they might say ‘no’ to ground troops today, but like before, they’ll change their minds in the end”.
The thing is, it is Putin that Macron is coming up against. In the 18th century, a writer called Jean de la Fontaine wrote tales, one of which is called “The Frog that Wanted to Make Itself as Big as the Ox” (the *frog*, how apt). Now, I think that both France and Macron are specks in the geopolitical world, but France happens to have the nuclear bomb.
Here are my questions:
1. Is Macron on too much cocaine, apparently?
2. More seriously: does Putin see Macron as a laughable “Is my penis big enough?” annoyance, *not* to be taken seriously?
3. Or does Macron’s threat to send ground troops really put the world at risk?
4. I also wonder: if Macron is a Greater, why is he so fickle? He will say white one minute and black the next in a very visible way, he isn’t subtle, not in the least! Other Greaters are more intelligent (like Obama, and yes, even Putin). Why is it, if it isn’t cocaine?
Thank you very much in advance, HG.
I can’t wait for that barking mad autocrat to leave.
Now, you would be forgiven for wondering which one I’m talking about.
1. I do not know.
2. He would not entirely dismiss him. Putin is not foolish in that regard, but he does not regard him as a major difficulty.
3. No.
4. He sees this as expedient, that is his style.
Hello HG:
Do you see Alexei Navalny as a matyr. He challenged the Russian government on corruption despite legal challenges, poisoning and great threat to his life ( and most likely those he loved. ) While I can see Narcs looking at him as a fool to challenge Putin and nonplussed at his demise… am I correct? This hero garnered significant support within Russia and abroad, particularly among those who seek political change, oppose government corruption, and advocate for greater democratic freedoms.
Within Russia, Navalny has cultivated a dedicated following among citizens who are disillusioned with government corruption, human rights abuses, and a lack of political freedoms. His anti-corruption efforts, outspoken criticism of the Russian government, and calls for political reform have resonated with a segment of the Russian population, especially among younger generations.
Navalny’s calls for protests and demonstrations have mobilized supporters within Russia, leading to significant public gatherings in opposition to the government. These events have demonstrated the existence of a sizable segment of the Russian population that is sympathetic to Navalny’s message and willing to express their discontent with the status quo.
Who is to say his life was taken in vain… just as a young KJB agent became interested in politics and his pals, who is to say Alexei has not inspired some younger man or woman to someday move up the ranks and change Russia?
Matyr?
Do you mean a martyr in the conventional sense or as a martyr empath?
How do you use the term differently? I assume matrys are not narcs as most matrys feel a great deal with others like martin Luther king Jr., they aren’t normals as it isn’t normal to sacrifice yourself for an ideal, others, God…and perhaps they could be narcissistic but I don’t think willing to hurt yourself for an ideal, God , others especially would qualify. This leads to empaths. When you think of matyr you typically think of three kinds. The mother who constantly reminds everyone all she did for them ( guilt trip, victim, control…narc) or the person who blows himself up and kills himself for jihad-and it’s written in modern news as he martyred himself or the classic Greek definition “ witness” the person like Joan of Arc, Gandhi, martin Luther kinda jr and countless of nameless others who refused to denounce God to avoid torture or murder such in the crusades. So it is confusing to me, the difference between an empath matyr as to me all matyrs in the classical sense are empaths and an empath martyr defined by you. I mean wouldn’t narcs who lay down their life for someone else or a cause or God look at that as silly or weak as they have no emotional empathy? How could they understand the emotion, the passion , the FAITH that drives these great hero’s as opposed to a dictator who gets to the top through logic and oppression?
Please explain. Jesus was a matyr. He died for our sins.
Now these legends are not your average empaths and I am not saying that I having a majority matyr cadre ( almost equal to carrier) come close. Not even close. But, these empaths are my heroes. But they are empaths who use logic but are driven by their empathy. I think their ideals come from ET then they apply a peculiar “ logic” that involves the risk of death to achieve it. They are strategists but their motivation is love and faith not power and control I think. These greats regularly meet narcs and psychopaths and sadists as they challenged them. They may have lost their lives but their legacy lives on. ( like yours will). Perhaps you would call them super empaths but you use the term matyr so it’s confusing to me.
Contagious,
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When I think of Alexei Navalny, I think he was an amazing hero – astoundingly brave and honorable. He gave many of his fellow Russians the strength and fortitude to stand together and openly “express their discontent with the status quo” as you have said in your comment.
I think it is extremely sad that such a man was killed at age 47. His ongoing bravery even with the risk and suffering he faced was appreciated by many, in Russia and all over the world. His death is a tragedy. The clear and sincere grief expressed by thousands of Russians who openly lined up to pay their final respects and spoke about him in tribute was testament to how much he was genuinely admired, loved and needed.
As to your question about him being a martyr, given the grave circumstances of his life and death, I think the definition is probably an appropriate one. I think I recall that HG said at one point that he was a narcissist.
One thing that’s true is that Alexei Navalny is a hero – an inspirational leader.
I read your opinions with great interest.
I can’t call him a hero. He allowed himself to be consumed by instincts, ideas, obsessions, and addictions. He was too impulsive, or maybe too gullible, or too much magical thinking.
He could have done much more from far away and from other directions. By cooperating. He had energy and potential.
The idea of giving your life for a cause is close to me. It can become a spark, that turns the order upside down. But I’m afraid he died in vain. He didn’t tear down or expose anything we didn’t already know. He became Putin’s toy. Soon the world will forget about him.
The hero must act carefully, prudently and wisely. Restrain and control your instincts. Attack at the right moment.
I feel very sorry for his wife, his childrens, his mother, his family. Instead of a husband, a father, a son, they will be accompanied by idea. May his idea not determine their lives. The consequences sometimes last for generations…
A very sad story.
Joa,
There are parts of your comment that I agree with, and at the same time, there are parts that I see differently.
After reading your comment, I have thought more deeply about my own thoughts.
I agree that it’s very sad, and I also feel sorry for his wife, his children, his parents and friends. Also the wider Russian public and even wider international public. I think they – especially his family – would definitely prefer that he was still alive and with them than to have his memory as a hero or idea. I don’t think anyone wanted his demise.
It is not his death that makes him a hero. It is his life that makes him one. His death brings his heroism into more precise and pronounced focus.
I understand what you are saying about a hero needing to act more carefully, prudently, and wisely – and I agree that this would be the stance that would lead to a better strategic outcome and more longevity – in most arenas.
The arena in which Putin dictates ruthlessly is not like most arenas though.
I think there are already many strategic operators looking on from the sidelines and acting carefully and prudently. They are watching Putin’s every move, analysing his speeches, researching his lieutenants, making noble speeches from afar, and writing books about his politics.
Do these actions give immediate inspiration to the Russian public to feel strong about standing up for change and to have hope in a more humanitarian and democratic future?
Navalny entered the gladiator’s arena himself. One man. He didn’t watch the sport from the sidelines in an elevated and protected position. He offered up himself in direct opposition. That took great bravery even if it can also be criticised for being foolish, gullible or magical thinking.
I see it as bigger than politics alone. It is about culture, ethics and truth. It’s difficult to explain in words, because it involves justice and love for a country’s people, to which one also belongs. When it is stated in words, it sounds naive and idealistic. It sounds uneducated or ignorant about the realism of politics.
On the subject of politics, when I was at school, I didn’t study politics because it didn’t interest me at that time. It didn’t resonate with me. What I saw in politics was individuals talking – either marketing themselves or backstabbing someone else in a quest to ‘win’ – all while making general and unsubstantiated reassurances about their aims for ‘good government’. Back then, I saw it as hypocrisy and hot air, to be frank.
Now that I understand the workings of human psychology in more detail, I can understand politics better (still not that well 🙂) and I also understand why it doesn’t resonate with me. I still think that ‘good government’ does not exist easily or pragmatically with a ruthless quest to ‘win’.
What I also think about politics is that much of it is about optics. By ‘optics’, I mean: “the general public’s opinion and understanding of a situation after seeing it as the media shows it, and the possible political effects of this.” (This is the Cambridge Dictionary definition.)
In describing Navalny as a hero, I think he changed the optics shown to the Russian people. He exposed Putin worldwide – beyond any shadow of a doubt – as the ruthless self-aggrandizing dictator he is.
You say that Navalny didn’t expose anything the world did not already know. On the one hand, that is true. On the other hand, it also showed – especially to the Russian people – that it was possible for one man to be so brave and to expose Putin’s ruthless crimes against his own people.
If it was possible for one man to do so much, imagine what a crowd, community and nation could do with the same bravery.
Navalny had charisma and he was admired and liked by a large number of Russians. He not only exposed Putin, but he showed clearly what Putin is most afraid of – a charismatic and formidable opponent.
There is a saying by Eric Hoffer: “You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.”
Putin is afraid of opponents. He does not even want them to live. He wants the political arena to be empty apart from himself standing in the middle of it. He needs to annihilate his opponents, poison them, or incarcerate them for non-existent ‘crimes’. He is very insecure in his own power and leadership. He rules through fear and that is unsustainable in the long run.
You say that Navalny will soon be forgotten. I don’t think so. A ruthless regime takes time to crumble and there are numerous strikes needed at the edifice before it does. Navalny created a visible optic – a snapshot – and Russians looked and took notice. An image lasts in history more than words do. Most ordinary people don’t remember the detailed reports of the Tiananmen Square massacre in China for example, but the image of one young student standing in front of a row of tanks has stood the test of time. That image says more to the general public than volumes of media reports and political speeches can.
After saying all of this, I may sound too idealistic. I’m not just a dreamer; I’m a cynic as well. The crowds of people who paid their last respects to Navalny may have been able to do so because they were allowed to in a deliberate optic to show his own people that Putin is not the ruthless dictator that he actually is. Who knows?
Navalny’s death is shrouded in mystery and the details are hidden from the media. That’s the shadowy game Putin plays. The truth cannot be hidden though. Navalny died a political prisoner in a penal colony serving a three-decade term. His crime? For daring to speak the truth.
Joa,
I can see your point. He would have been able to achieve some more of his goals had he stayed away and worked from outside Russia. I agree that instincts, ideas, obsessions and perhaps magical thinking drove his choices.
However, I also believe he made an aware and informed choice to return and had said goodbye to his family prior to getting off the plane in Moscow. His wife and children knew it was what he wanted to do, that it was very important to him.
I had a colleague whose husband was a race car driver. It was a risky profession but he loved it. His wife and children knew he loved it. He could’ve abandoned it for their benefit but they didn’t want him to make that sacrifice. He did end up dying in an accident on the track. His death was difficult for them, of course, but because he loved racing it was impossible to make a perfect choice where everyone would be completely happy. There had to be a sacrifice.
If someone has something in their heart that they must pursue, holding them back may extend their lives but it may also reduce its quality. A argument exists that people must be allowed to do what they believe is most meaningful to them.
I’m also devastated that he was killed, but I have known he was a target for the last ten years, and he would have known this as well. He achieved a lot in this past decade, a huge amount. That work will not be forgotten. He will not be forgotten.
Hi WiserNow and Joa:
Joa I agree his family lost him like a soldier dies in war. But I disagree that Alexdie could have taken on a man like Putin in any other way. There is no “ working in the system” with Putin. Likewise, Martin Luther King Jr, Harriett Tubman and Rosa Parks had no manner of working in a system that was filled with prejudice not to mention slavery. Today, yes. Then, no but they changed that didn’t they?
Martin Luther King Jr., a prominent figure in the civil rights movement, is considered a martyr for his nonviolent activism. His assassination in 1968 sparked outrage and led to an increased commitment to racial equality and justice.
Tiananmen Square Protests: The image of the “Unknown Rebel,” a lone protester who faced down a line of tanks during the 1989 pro-democracy protests in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, symbolized the struggle for freedom. While the identity of the individual remains unknown, the image of his defiance became iconic.
Self-Immolation Protests: In recent history, individuals who have set themselves on fire as an act of political protest have often been regarded as martyrs. One notable example is Mohamed Bouazizi, whose self-immolation lead to Arab Spring.
Joan of Arc: Joan of Arc, a young French peasant girl, was executed at the stake in 1431 after leading the French army to several important victories during the Hundred Years’ War. Her martyrdom and subsequent canonization inspired a sense of national pride and stirred the French people to continue the fight for their country’s independence.
Oskar Schindler: Oskar Schindler, a German industrialist, saved the lives of over 1,200 Jewish people during the Holocaust by employing them in his factories. Despite facing financial ruin and personal risk, Schindler’s courageous actions led to the survival of many individuals, and he is considered a martyr for his selfless efforts.
Mahatma Gandhi: Mahatma Gandhi, the leader of India’s nonviolent independence movement, was assassinated in 1948 by a Hindu nationalist. His martyrdom solidified his status as an icon of peace, civil rights, and nonviolent resistance, influencing countless movements for social and political change around the world.
Harvey Milk: Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California, was assassinated in 1978. His martyrdom raised awareness of LGBTQ+ rights and galvanized the gay rights movement, leading to increased visibility and activism for equality.
These individuals, through their sacrifices and martyrdom, left a lasting impact on history.
For me, these people are the greatest soldiers of all. Yes, their families suffered.
But I am a believer. There is more than this earthly life. Soldiers are needed. They died for the greater good! And history will show if Alexdishtv died for nothing. There once was a young powerless KGB agent named Putin…
WiserNow:
Also I can’t see Alexdishtv as a narcissist. He knew he would die and death provides no fuel. Also people who would die or be tortured for an ideal, cause or God and mankind or others must have empathy. Narcs don’t care about others and they are God, they would not sacrifice their lives for Him. The term originates from it: Ancient Rome, Christianity, Muslim, Sikhism all have those who would die for their faith. During the crusades, there were those who would not denounce God. Many of them nameless. These are my heroes as God is first. It is typically religion or classically. Normals would not go so far typically. Narcissistic people love only their inner group. This leaves empaths but I would ask H.G. what class and cadre of empaths would be matrys?
Super?
H.G. seems to differentiate between matyr cadres and matyrs. I listened to the matyr video again. Kind, self sacrificing until it hurts, selfless to the point it’s a vow of silence. Sense of duty. Bear wounds of pain in silence. They don’t seek recognition for their pain as it’s driven by a sense of duty ( ideal? Commitment to God above all else?)
Versus classic matyrs.
But HG said we take on this role in the family. I did not. I was a rebel. I was a wild child. I was the strong one and outspoken at times. I was however the most religious and this I kept quiet. It was my own quest. It started young. I have majority matyr closeby is carrier, a tad geyser and super. But the others were so small.
I think my matyr came from religion and my fascination with them such as saints, apostles, Jesus. I had an existential crisis at a young age. I was tested for gifted in First or second grade and that’s where I learned the term. The tester thought it was unusual to have an existential crisis at such a young age. I recall having it by a tree when I became terrified at the concept of eternity and what was the true purpose of life. What was my role in it? Oh my God! Literally. I came close to having a panic attack although I have never had one but it struck me down. I sat on the ground. I looked at the tree and the sky. What is this thing called life? but like a vow of silence I never preached or discussed it then and now only really unless with those like my close friend who is a priest or those I felt safe or now here like a confessional. It’s weird. But I dove in then. I didn’t discuss it. Instead, I attended Catholic Churches, Lutheran and Presbyterian with friends and family. I read the Bible and worshipped St zFrancis of Assisi, his creed whose creed I hung over my bed. I liked Rumi too btw. St Francis creed was and is my life long mantra. I had an experience. I won’t share. This confirmed everything ! My father and mother share my faith and my father’s family my aunts my hero’s, the most virtuous “ silent” people I know went to church and walked the talk never discussing it. I am not so virtuous … not even close. They were beautiful Nordic women with wide set blue eyes and blond hair when young who all wore their hair short as adults, who wore no make up, never gossiped , criticized or complained, held no value to material items . No jewelry except the wedding ring and were mostly quiet women. Big families. My favorite aunt Joyce had 11. They would never say “ I need a vacation” and they didn’t have their nails done. They were devoted wives and mothers and gave to the community. One was a knitter who knitted everyday for her family and charity. I am not so good but I have sacrificed on occasion to the point of silent pain for my children and for clients and friends and others if… I believe an injustice has been served. If it burns my bonnet. . Sometimes it has paid back in spades others it has not.
So… I need to understand more about empath matrys versus classical ones
And I don’t think either can be addressed without the religious aspect. Funny… I am called kind but I always feel as an attorney not a perfect kindness. I self sacrifice but so does every mother. Ok in my profession I have not charged some …but if I must be honest, I ask every single night of my life for God to take my hand and do His work. Contagion is like an outer skin where my true soul is concerned with pleasing God. Not man or narcs especially but God. I can hardly believe I am sharing this…but others must feel the same. I feel terribly vulnerable revealing what makes me tick. Who I really am. It’s so precious and private. It’s little old me. To the core. To my very soul.
Anyway H.G. has his education to provide and there is so much to be learned and I do miss the mark at times. But I think my matyr cadre comes from my Faith not my family. It is outside this Earth. It’s a Light that I want to follow above all. And no one will ever change that unless they kill me. Lol
Martyr.
Hello again… I will give an example of an empath with religious devotion. Jim Carviezel. During the making of The Passion he was hit with a whip twice leaving a 14 inch scar on his back. He dislocated his shoulder carrying the cross, he was struck by lightening but Jim discounted those injuries and kept both in the scene and the filming. Jim kept the production going only thinking as he said in his own words “this was nothing compared to Jesus. All he could think of was Jesus.” Now think about Harrison Fords injuries during the filming of Star Wars…it shut down production, he hurt his leg. Yes, Jim was well paid but does anyone believe it was money versus his Faith that caused him to carry on despite serious injury? Again is this a matyr empath to some degree? He is an empath. An empath. But when one will suffer until it hurts out of Faith how do you distinguish? One would not compare Jim Carviezel to a classical matyr.
Maybe H.G. will educate us more on this topic… 😉
Martyr.
Contagious, annaamel,
If someone has something in their heart that they must follow, let them follow it. If he is starting a family, his goals cannot conflict. The deterioration of HIS quality of life is of little importance if he has decided to have children. If he wants a better world for his children, no world will be better for them than the world with mom and dad.
No, Contagious, his family didn’t lose him like a soldier in war. The basic goal of a soldier is not to die, to defend and protect – yourself and others. A soldier must be wise and not go under the gun, wanting to become a martyr or a hero.
Your faith is beautiful, Contagious, I know the stories of all the people you mentioned and many others, but I don’t see Alexei Navalny that way. He was overwhelmed by ambition (he was very similar to Putin in this). And his views were repeatedly very disturbing. And his death won’t erase it.
I also think that Putin was playing with him, keeping him alive for so long and – importantly – allowing him to contact the world. Or he strengthened the position of the “enemy”, because it played on his own greatness. Or he kept him like a hamster in an aquarium – to use its death later.
In my opinion, it was an unnecessary death, insufficient – especially for the Russians. This will sound terrible – but they are used to it.
I would prefer, that instead of lamenting the death of A. Navalny (it has already passed), the world would look at how to support Ukraine – because only there, is a solution.
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Contagious, the thought of your own death and the reaction of those around you, provides fuel. I did this many times as a child and teenager. The thought of martyrdom is turbo fuel with a special effect. Add to this magical thinking, ambition, a sense of omnipotence even in a hopeless situation, perhaps even a kind of fanaticism – and the result is an extraordinary mixture.
I don’t know, if he was a Narcissist or an Empath. I know that focusing on death can be fuel.
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Contagious, sacrificing one’s life for an idea, for saving the innocent, is also very close to me.
But I believe, that the motives here were different. This is my view and these are my feelings.
@Contagious
This is so interesting.
I saw that he was an empath,
and his wife a narcissist. Yet she saved his life back in 2020.
Contagious,
Thank you for your replies. You have written extensively about martyrs in history, and also your own personal beliefs and motivations.
When I think about ‘martyrs’ and what makes or drives a ‘martyr’, I have many various thoughts swirling around in my mind and it’s not straightforward or easy to condense them into a neat, quickly digestible comment.
I think the concept of a ‘martyr’ in popular, current understanding makes the word suggest something that’s almost otherworldly, as though it’s removed from ordinary, every-day actions and motivations. It is something that ‘other’ people do; something that’s outside the ability or beyond the power of the ordinary person.
It makes me want to stop using the word ‘martyr’ because the word conveys the same kind of meaning or suggestion as the word ‘saint’, taking it out of the realm of ‘normal’ human behaviour.
I think of Joa’s comment in which she says that Alexei Navalny didn’t act like a hero because he was taken over by instincts, ideas, passions, etc and I can understand the reasoning behind Joa’s opinions.
At the same time, a ‘martyr’ (or ordinary person) does not fly in to a situation from nowhere with a shield and a sword and a superman costume, operating from sheer instinct, passion, or a fire in their belly.
I think an individual’s drives and motivations and personal justifications for their own actions come from their own personal life experiences and how those experiences have impacted their instincts, problem-solving inclinations, and visions for their own preferred future and that of the wider society they live within.
In a nutshell, for me, it’s complicated, and also, it’s not – it’s a matter of how various aspects of my life have impacted my perception in a given situation and how my perception then motivated my actions in that particular situation. I think it has always been this way.
As well as perception, there is judgement too. While I do feel compelled to act in certain ways and I am motivated by instinct, I also have (enough) self-restraint to judge whether or not an action is going to be worthwhile. By ‘worthwhile’, I mean will the action be likely to make things better or worse? Will the action be too self-detrimental and lead to greater difficulty – in both a personal sense and a wider ‘social’ sense.
I have learned, over the years and with greater experience, that self-sacrifice does not always lead to wider social respect and influence. Depending on the social situation, it can lead to the opposite, which is then self-detrimental and very much unworthwhile. As the saying goes, ‘no good deed goes unpunished.’ What the doer believes is a ‘good deed’, the wider social circle may see as unnecessary, arrogant or unhelpful.
There are personal actions that instinctively seem like ‘good deeds’ but result in negative reactions from others. While these actions may lead to derision and contempt, they are founded on a reasoned motivation that is positive and linked to personal experience and the instinct to minimise a potentially negative situation.
As you may see, it’s not simple or straightforward. Also, it is difficult to successfully convey the thought process to others.
Contagious,
You have described your long-held faith in God and also your family roots that sound very altruistic. It is very interesting to consider your thoughts and compare them to my own.
I am not ‘religious’ in the conventional sense, nor do I consider myself as highly altruistic.
I do believe in a ‘greater power’ but I don’t see that as ‘God’ in the way many people do. Perhaps, in order to give this ‘greater power’ a ‘label’ that’s easier to conceptualise intellectually, I think of it as ‘God’ but it is not really in the same kind of organised religious way in which ‘God’ is normally perceived.
I see the ‘greater power’ in a more earthly, practical way in that everything in the universe is connected and that one action somewhere will have a consequence somewhere else. This is not a belief I think about all the time or act upon all the time. It’s more like a background operating system that’s just there.
Thanks again for your comments, Contagious. You have covered a lot of ground and some wide-reaching concepts.
H.G.:
I am deeply grateful. In one word, you answered my questions. Also, I was wrong as it is clearly a family trait on my father’s side. My Aunts with their kind eyes and smile always a twinkle, I was always awestruck by their virtue. I stared at them no doubt like e would meeting a rock star. I told my brother upon visiting my favorite Aunt before she died last year, I always feel so awkward in her presence. My brother said she is virtuous but her kids are not. lol These Aunts were the ones I strove to be like in many ways. And it was their deep seated Faith that what created their behaviors. So… you are right. Family. I didn’t see it as next to them and my other heroes I am on the lower echelon of the group. But in the group, per your findings… yes. I am pleased then even if I am holding on by the hem. Lol
Thanks for your response!
Where does it say he was an empath?
My god, if empaths think it’s okay to kill people and call them rats, then I prefer narcissists 🙂
‘HG: Do you mean a martyr in the conventional sense or as a martyr empath?
‘Contagious: How do you use the term differently?’
Contagious,
HG may see Martyrs and martyrs as distinct groups. I also see martyr empaths and Martyrs as two totally different groups.
The main distinction I’d make is that Martyrs sacrifice themselves for a worthy cause. Martyr empaths sacrifice themselves for narcissists in their lives.
That’s a pretty significant difference I think. It doesn’t mean someone cannot be both a martyr empath and a Martyr but generally making sacrifices for narcissists sucks a lot of energy out of empaths and they’d have little to spare for big important causes.
I’d expect most Martyrs to be normals or empaths, and if empaths, likely Saviours or Carriers and possibly Supers who are more prepared to challenge established the status quo.
I interpret HG’s responses of ‘Martyr’ to you to indicate the people you’ve named are conventional or classic Martyrs. Not martyr empaths.
You want your martyr empathy to represent your higher calling and your desire to put good into the world. Unfortunately I think it is more likely to represent a tendency to self sacrifice for others who would exploit that tendency – ie. narcissists.
It could be valuable to recognise two different parts of yourself, I think. One is the Martyr part who wants to work towards achieving something bigger than yourself and who is prepared yo make sacrifices for it. There’s also the martyr empath side of you who wants to be a caring person who is susceptible to exploitation by narcissists who will take advantage of your caring nature and make you put them first.
It’d be good to prioritise the Martyr element in your make up but reduce or even eliminate the martyr empath element. One is a force for good, one is a force that helps undeserving people gain more control. By eliminating narcissists from your life who ask you to give up a lot of your energy to them, you’d have more energy to focus on achieving your personal goals and doing what you believe is most important.
Hi Annaameel:
You are correct! I confused the two. Perhaps like some misunderstood super empath as a super hero ninja, I could not reconcile my understanding of the term and its entomology how it changes the world for the good. Aside from Jesus ( smile), I don’t know if my heroes would be even empaths, I would imagine some would… H.G. hasn’t analyzed the traditional martyrs… yet. Are they or not? but what I learned is H.G. just uses it to define a martyr- narc relationship ONLY. That’s it. And you are correct that it’s a waste of time. A terrible cause to sink your teeth into if you are designed that way. And many martyrs overlap with acting this way with ideals, causes and people of all classes but a narc is a waste of time. So my questions were answered by the master and I will no longer seek his clarification on the blog. I apologize if my “ slow understanding” was annoying. I get what he is saying by definition. Just ignore my prior questions, I didn’t understand the definition.
And btw thank you…x
By the way your advice was dead on! So appreciated and so true. It starts with understanding what a narc is and H.G. changed my world years ago! All hail H.G.!
Hello Joa and all:
Joa: To be honest you know more about Navalny than I. So perhaps I am wrong. You raised facts I didn’t know and I imagine being from Poland you received much more information over the years than I. I once went to a lecture by an author and Russian journalist and was fascinated about her take on the government and people. She seemed that there is a nostalgia for the good old days that caused Putnim rise…?
As for the term martyr again I simply got confused by the word. So I wrote a lot on the subject as it is also a cadre one of mine and not really explored… yet. Mother Theresa was a the list! Is she or isn’t she? H.G. analysis is always the most fascinating. H.G. has quite a list!
In my real life experience, my Aunts were close to Saints. And if I got any influence even the slightest… thank you ! They are deceased but the cousins keep in touch. Not everyone in my big family is like them… nor am I. I do my hair and nails, I like material things especially books and art, I like clothes and shoes, and to travel, and that’s just a starter! I can’t sew or knit. Being an attorney says it all. I am not a nurse, social worker or house wife. I just marvel at them that’s all. And they had an inner glow, warm smile and eyes. So much love circled them. They seemed generally content. Gratitude was their attitude. Like you are rich when you appreciate what you have no matter how little you possess. Everyone and there were dozens of kids was a better kid around them by this example. Others… I don’t know. I hate to think Martin Luther King was anything but an empath. To think MLK had no love for mankind. It seems surreal to go there. As for martyrs in general H.G. says they often overlap. It’s the innate motive or behavior as written but you can l waste time and energy on a narc…agreed. Joan of Arc… ? so young. Only a teen. Harriette Tubman. I feel the same as MLK, Gandhi. Please be an empath. There seem to be so many people who changed the world who were narcs. I believe that some were motivated by love. I love Dolly Parton too. This world is becoming more narcisstic as everyone says. Who out there do you really want to change this world for the better ? Little Greta?
As for religion, I respect everyone’s personal choice. None of my comments were designed to alienate.
I just brought up a different topic as I was confused by the term and got GREAT feedback and interesting points of view. So dear readers and friends and empaths. I am done on this topic. My questions were answered by the Master and by many of you.
Hugs and appreciation to all.
Thank you for your replies, HG. I wrote that the questions I was putting to you could interest others, when I meant your *answers* could.
As for Macron’s style, as far as I’m concerned it shows him too readily for what he is, which to me is the sign of a lack of real style.
Thank you for putting up with my rant against that nasty piece of work. I could go on all day, really, but I’ll stop here (for now).
You are welcome Isabelle, I know for you to rant that something or someone has very much got under your skin.
A beautiful, calming and understanding answer, from a man to a woman.
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Moving. Slightly surprising.
Although unnecessarily.
Highly recommended for anyone considering themselves part of this world! This series of videos could become a mini documentary.
HG, what an analysis! So much information, so much education, so many explanations about Putin and narcissism. There is completely another level of excitement reading the comments on the Livechat via YT. I absolutely lurve the countdown part before the video commences. That ‘adds’ to the already present ‘woo hoo’ within me. You have worked damned hard on this ‘Vladimir Putin – What is he?’ presentations. Thank you so much for All you do, HG xxx
I’m excited about this one 🙂 It’s going to be thrilling to be chillin’ with HG 🙂
HG – looking forward to this! Will it be available to the general audience on YT?