Knowing the Narcissist : The Contagion Empath
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Hi TS,
“A dull, heavy, twisting ache. That’s the other thing, I feel and visualise at the same time.” — Fascinating.
“Emotions aren’t static when I feel them, they are moving.” — Interesting.
“I also think I find it easier to connect with negative emotion rather than positive.” It sounds like this is down to your desire to help/heal/support/etc. I think you said you have a large amount of super elsewhere…so that would all wrap up in your super school (if I correctly recall) and the majority saviour cadre to my thinking.
Hi Dani,
I think my cadres likely have more to do with the being more tuned in to negative emotion part. People confide in the Magnet and the Saviour is driven to help /support.
I think the getting fed up with the emotional load and pushing back against it by raising the shield is likely the Super element kicking in to watch out for my own well-being. That said, the Super element will also drive me to take on the emotional load in the first place.
Xx
I have a question regarding contagions and narcissists I have this question.
If contagions have an activated 6th sense why couldn’t we sense or see the narcissist?
That is counterintuitive. I know a lot of narcissists have a facade, but if we are really in tune with people’s emotions why didn’t we recognize the narc?
I know how I would answer that but I’m really curious about what you all think.
1. You need to know what to look for.
2. Emotional Thinking gets in the way.
Thank you HG
Sonya,
There are all kinds of emotional thinking that can cause an empath to bypass their good judgement.
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. (taken out of context from Caesar’s “De Bello Gallico” but the point stands) “Most readily, people believe what they want to believe,” and even if their sixth sense is telling them otherwise…when a person (contagion or otherwise) is being given what they crave and what they want most or what they fear they may never have/deserve, it’s easy to overlook the red flags, black flags, and gut-instinct.
The above to my mind is one of the most insidious forms of emotional thinking. There may be a number of other types of vulnerabilities that could be involved as well. The series: “Successful Escapes” has a number of stories that describe how people became ensnared. I would recommend it if you haven’t listened to it.
Your thoughts and explanations were so helpful. I have not listened to that series yet.
After I have I may have more questions.
Thank you Dani
Hi Sonya,
I’m glad that it was helpful.
From what I’ve seen of the majority since I started leaving comments here about 16 months ago, they are quick to offer answers and point people in the right direction.
What brings you here? Were you looking for knowledge about empaths or narcissists or something else? (I recall reading that you are married to an empathic husband.)
Hi Dani,
I have been in 3 Narc marriages and my father was a very abusive Narc. My father is still in my life with little to no contact but I still have a hard time when I interact with him. I also have a close family member who is narcissistic. My codependent nature has been a real problem in that relationship. I want to understand empaths and my specific kind.
My ET can still cause me problems. Being married to an empath is wonderful but we can both get sucked in to situations that needed EL not ET.
Ex: Business partner.
Are you currently involved with a Narc?
Hi Sonya–
I’m so sorry to hear that you’ve had that many narcs in your life. But I’m glad that you’re married to an empath now and that HG’s work is helping. I hope that HG makes the empath deep dive videos soon. I’m so curious to learn more, too.
I’m not involved with any HG confirmed narcissists on a consistent basis. The behaviours and the general situation with those who are most problematic for me of is complicated. I’m certain I have several highly controlling family members, and that I work in narc-infested waters. Overall, I’m uncertain and I probably have wishful (emotional) thinking about people.
The best thing for me, so far, that I’ve gotten from HG’s work, is that I know I don’t have to put up with the situation. I have also realized that I have to change my behaviour. (I feel stupid for not figuring it out on my own.) By stopping myself from engaging, I am not upset by silent treatments (because I’m not being given one any longer. I understand I’m on the shelf). I stop obsessively wondering ‘what’s going on’ or ‘what have I done now?’
I have a base level of anxiety, but I do not experience this level of upset/concern/stress with other friends. My theory is because many of my current friends haven’t subconsciously conditioned me (psychologically) to accept their manipulative behaviour, it doesn’t cause the same negative feelings.
I think I recently (Last Wed.) escaped a situation which, while not a romantic ensnarement, was still one where I was seeing many manipulative behaviours and a few red flags. If you haven’t read “Manipulated” or “Red Flag,” I highly recommend them. I have found them useful across a range of situations.
Hope all is well with you, and sorry for taking so long to answer.
Hi Dani,
It is impressive that you are able to work in narc infested waters. Narcs at work are poisonous, you obviously navigate it well.
‘Overall, I’m uncertain and I probably have wishful (emotional) thinking about people’
That is a tough one, it sounds like you believe that there is a little bit of good inside everyone?
I have gotten a little better with that. I approach people with a lot more skepticism, it’s unfortunate but I have had to learn a lot of lessons the hard way.
‘I have also realized that I have to change my behavior. (I feel stupid for not figuring it out on my own.) ’
I don’t think it’s possible to figure out certain things on our own, and for future reference I hate the word stupid. You are definitely not that. You found the resource you needed and have worked damn hard to make changes.
On another post I have read you have some issues with a few friends. I am reviewing a friend I have had for 17 years.
I’m pretty sure she is narcissistic and not sure what that would mean for our friendship. I overthink everything and I believe that is part of my anxiety.
HG’s is already helping me, and I’m just starting out!
Thank you for your response, you offer information that are things you learned from HG.
For awhile I thought you helped him run the blog 😊
Hi Sonya–
I don’t interact with them on a daily basis, and I think most of the people in my daily interactions aren’t narcs at work, though I’m on the fence about one at times. I’m certain that narcs are nearby, whining about the storm and saying “it’s raining.” But I think most of the people I am around daily are normal/empaths now.
“Believe there is a little good in everyone…”
If I believed that everyone was as bad as some of the worst things that have been said to me/done to me…(The vast majority verbal/emotional.)…I don’t know if I could interact with anybody.
“I don’t think it’s possible to figure out certain things on our own, and for future reference I hate the word stupid. You are definitely not that. You found the resource you needed and have worked damn hard to make changes.”
I will refrain from using that word in the future. Ironically, I’d gotten a taste of low contact with almost no contact before I found HG, so I think I was more receptive to HG’s initial teaching. I already had data that supported it. I also wasn’t dealing with an intimate partner situation. I feel that’s difficult in very different way…because being in love with someone who doesn’t love them but may have given a good imitation of it. Emotional thinking is difficult. I’ve seen that thinking in me, and that when I fail in implementing no contact…sometimes it’s not in my control (accidental run-ins). In another case, it was me failing by trying to call/text in one case. I thought I could handle it. I repeated to myself…”the worst that will happen is what habitually happens. You know it’s a control thing with this person.” It didn’t go the way I thought it would. It went the way HG said it would. I became really…emotional. HG and always being right about these matters…and I’m glad he’s sharing his wisdom…
I’m glad that HG’s work is helping you. Is there a particular aspect of HG’s work that has been most helpful at this point?
BTW, Sonya…I’m very flattered that you thought I was helping HG run the blog. Would that I was so chosen, so trusted, and so lucky…HG is an army of one in regard to the blog…it blows my mind how much he gets done…
Dani,
Re; March 20th
Vent:
I can not reply to over half of the people’s questions to me nor be involved in many discussions I would like to join in on.
I don’t know if my settings are wrong or what, but I am so frustrated with it I am almost to the point of reading the blog and not even trying to engage.
Now that got that out,
‘Is there a particular aspect of HG’s work that has been most helpful at this point?’
That’s a tough question because I haven’t touched the surface of his work, there is SO much.
I am not putting these in a specific order:
1)His breakdown of narcissists and empaths by school and cadres.
(To me, the term narcissist has always seemed too broad, and the term empath has been to narrow)
HG’s categorization of both makes so much sense .
It is a relief to know narcs have no empathy and are incapable of love. I have always felt there was something wrong with me, that I was too difficult to love. I was constantly told I was crazy, that I was stupid (that’s why I don’t like it when people say that about themselves)
2) Learning about empaths is helping me see myself and others from a different perspective. I have been told by many people I am overly sensitive, maybe that’s because of my empathy??
3 )emotional thinking vs emotional logic. This is something I have never heard and I can’t wait to learn more about it and learn how to move my scale toward emotional logic.
What has helped me the most? My eyes are finally open to where my self-doubt lies.
Hi Sonya–
It can take a bit of scrolling at times to find a reply button. But because wordpress can only indent so much. So sometimes, when threads get long, it takes quite a bit of scrolling to find the elusive reply button. Sometimes, I just reply to it by starting a new thread. Most times people see it and respond. Sometimes not, though. Just depends on if they are subscribed to the thread or just visit because of that conversation and know where to generally scroll to. Those are my observations at any rate.
I agree that the categories help everything make sense, and I think that is part of human hardwiring…the desire to categorize things. I think it is helpful in many ways.
“I have always felt there was something wrong with me, that I was too difficult to love. I was constantly told I was crazy, that I was stupid (that’s why I don’t like it when people say that about themselves)” — I can identify with this too. And I’m hoping that as Mr. Tudor shares more about the creation of the different majority schools of empath, that I will get more of those answers. I’d like to know about the minority schools too.
“I have been told by many people I am overly sensitive, maybe that’s because of my empathy??” — I think that’s highly probable. I feel quite frustrated by being called “overly sensitive.” When I’ve tried to address my sensitivities in ways that help me alleviate/prepare for situations involving those sensitivities, I get lies because the lie will get the other party/parties involved what they want.
Hope all is going well for you, Sonya.
Hi – just for some reference, I did the empath detector and HG labeled me standard majority , contagion minority , and super minority.
I noticed when I did a relationship autopsy (after I learned how to control my emotional thinking) of the relationship that trapped me for over four years that I did initially recognize that my ex-narc had issues – he was “off” somehow. And not in the “I feel bad for this man’s emotional problems” way like I feel for other normies or empaths. Perhaps this came from my contagion side assisted by my small amount of super – I cannot say for sure. I do think a sixth sense was alerted. However, he trapped me with love-bombing. That is my personal kryptonite.
Now, since I have voraciously absorbed any knowledge I could find, much of it from HG, but also many other sources I deem as reliable, I am a honed narc-detector. I only got to this point by educating myself and through autopsies of several different relationships in my life. By teasing relationships apart – much like a scientist – I am much sharper and do not get ensnared.
All this is to say that yes, I think a contagion empath will feel a narc – but the only way a contagion empath can work at the highest level of his/her abilities is if he/she controls his/her emotional thinking with an iron fist. For me, the only thing that gave me that level of emotional thinking control was getting educated – not just a little bit, but a lot, like Masters degree level a lot.
As recommended by Leigh, I’m reading this contagion thread. Just saving this for myself and also flagging in case it’s useful to others (thank you Ginny):
“the only way a contagion empath can work at the highest level of his/her abilities is if he/she controls his/her emotional thinking with an iron fist. For me, the only thing that gave me that level of emotional thinking control was getting educated – not just a little bit, but a lot, like Masters degree level a lot.”
I this ties in with practicing “observing and not absorbing too”. 🤔
Re auras:
HG and auras:
“Throughout the entirety of my life I’ve had interactions with empaths and as my awareness came into being I recognized empaths, I could almost sniff them out, it’s as if they have an aura around them which tells me that they are an empath and which type they belong to in terms of a majority School.”
Contagions and auras:
HG: Some Contagion empaths also have the ability to see the aura of other individuals which conveys to them information about those individual behaviors and characteristics that they see. An aura around that individual which might convey that they are particularly bereft at that moment in time, that they can see an aura that is associated with joy, an aura associated with ill health, an aura that is occasioned by longing and loss, lots of different deviations upon that aura that is something that certain majority contagions, and it has to be at the higher level of majority, are able to see. Others don’t see the aura but that doesn’t mean that they don’t pick up on the feelings of others to any lesser extent. They take on those feelings as if they are their own and where there are many people around the Contagion empath it often becomes too much necessitating retreat by the Contagion empath so that they must find themselves a place of solitude and calm, to cleanse themselves of the excess energy that they have taken on. It might be the case that they need to go and spend time in the forest, up in the mountains, by the coast, but they must be away from people because the presence of other people is too much for them.
This picking up of the sensations of others varies depending upon the extent to which they are a Contagion thus somebody who is insignificant with regard to their Contagion minority element only picks up on it here and there, almost like the occasional standing up at the hairs on the back of their neck. Beyond that the frequency and duration increases until when you reach somebody who is the majority they will walk down a supermarket aisle and pick up on the emotions and feelings of each person that they walk past. They understand and they are burdened by the energy that comes their way.
Hey Jordyguin:
Great questions. As you know I don’t see auras, just white glows around a person or animal that shift and it could be bad eye sight, it means nothing. But as HG said it doesn’t matter what the look or body position is I know what’s going on. In fact when people mask an emotion like smile when angry ( my Chinese clients always smile) it doesn’t matter which leads me to believe it’s eye reading. Of course body language, tone, and facial expressions help but I think it’s 1. Knowing the circumstance and 2. Reading the eyes. Is that the key H.G.? Even in a supermarket it’s circumstance. Strangers it’s circumstance but I think it’s the eyes. It’s like a sixth sense as it’s intuition. I was a gifted child supposing as tested as one in kindergarten. I could assess things well as a child. I have a sharp memory and I scored high on reading and academics. It’s like putting a puzzle together. I once had this woman who worked on cold cases. You look at a picture then answer a,b,c,d, or e. I recall one was a girl tied up and gagged in a trunk. I guessed correct it was staged. Her eyes showed no fear. I got a high overall score. Not sure if the test was valid or crsp but zi have no time to join anything. I can barely find time to do my hair lol. Also Academics came easy to me and I am great at the big picture assessment not as good in dealing with the minutiae. So I can write a persuasive motion or appeal but there are much much better technical writers. And there are appellate writers much better than me, not my speciality but I get forced to do it sometimes… I think it’s that trait of seeing the big picture then it is the eyes.
Is that the key H.G.? The eyes?
Maybe for others it’s an aura. But without an aura, you can see another’s joy or pain in the eyes I think..,no matter how stoic the person.
But as to narcs, H.G. is correct. You ignore that nagging feeling. It nags and nags as time goes on and nothing adds up. The words are listened to and the eyes reveal nothing and you want to believe the words, the great sex, the dream until that nagging feeling and HGs education can no longer let you. H.G. has made the process so much faster it’s dizzying. Then you mourn the lost dream or fantasy then you simply go on…
Dani:
HG: They are blinded by their emotional thinking and of course certain narcissist are highly skilled at replicating the emotions which cons the relevant empath.
1. Are there particular emotions that specific contagions are more vulnerable to?
HG Tudor says:
What do you mean by being vulnerable to?
By vulnerable, I mean emotions that are picked up on more easily and harder to shake. To me these would have to be the negative emotions, because I don’t see what drawbacks there would be in increased sensitivity to positive emotions.
2. Are some contagion majority empaths more sensitive to pain-filled emotions (grief/sadness/depression) or anger/irritation/derision?
3. Would another majority contagion be more likely to miss the negative emotions when someone is putting on a happy face?
4. If a narcissist is consciously or unconsciously aware of this increased sensitivity to a specific negative emotion, is it likely to be used against the contagion empath?
5. If a majority contagion is more sensitive to negative emotions or a specific negative emotion, is this likely the result of their creation?
Thank you so much for all that you do and for your time, sir. My appreciation.
2. Yes.
3. No.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
Thank you. Dankeschoen. Grazie mille!
1. Have you watched a narcissist (aware or unaware) use this increased sensitivity to a specific emotion against a majority contagion empath?
2. Is it common or rarer for a majority contagion to be more sensitive to specific emotions?
3. Re: A majority contagion empath who is more sensitive to negative emotions or a specific negative emotion is likely the result of their creation. Will this be covered in the upcoming series on the creation of the empath?
4. Could a majority contagion in a way (consciously or subconsciously) do battle with personal depression (if being abused by a narcissist) by habitually spending time with upbeat/happy people (even if they think themselves less sensitive to positive emotions)? (not that the narcissist will like this or want to allow it, except a greater or the Ultra who may see the benefit to them for doing so.)
Thank you so much for all you do, sir. It always brightens my day when you are able to respond to questions.
Hi, Rebecca–
“I have this ability, when I’m dreaming to observe the dream…”
I know what you’re talking about. I lucid dream quite often. It’s really fun in my flying dreams.
Hi Allison,
I love those flying dreams, when I’m dreaming it’s nothing to be able to fly, just lift right up, like nothing…it’s a great feeling to leave the ground behind and just enjoy the wind, the freedom…they’re the best! Xx
That’s so interesting. My flight style requires a strong core. I use my abdominal muscles to lift me up and direct flight. It gives me a sensation of working with gravity. I had a great one the other night where I was able to get up quite high over a parking lot full of onlookers. I always come down in a gentle, controlled way.
Interesting older discussion about observing the dreams and flying dreams Allison. Me too.
From what I understand lucid dreaming isn’t very common. I think I’ve had one lucid dream but would love to do it more ofte!
You can approach it like exercise. Sort of like building up through training. Sometimes as I’m falling asleep I’ll tell myself that I’m going to control my dream. It works pretty well, so now it’s kind of ‘on’ all the time in the background as I sleep. Now, I can usually tell myself in the midst of a dream that I’m taking it over, and I gain some control. It helps me realize more quickly that I’m in a dream. Sometimes the dream seems to push back and get really weird, but that’s cool too.
That is enough about lucid dreaming.
Of course, Sir.
It’s preferable to real life, I love it when I go through periods of lucid dreaming. Do you ever feel like you are vibrating when going into one ?
Jordy–
Jordy: “If we look at the pre-setting of just perception in some individuals – there is no training or experience needed because they will just perceive hella lot of things which are out of the ordinary, starting from their childhood, unable to put it in words and explain. Or when they are trying to talk about it, they may receive “You’re imagining things and it’s not real”, the child may compartmentalise this ability and shut the gates, or just keep quiet about it.”
I agree. I remember as a child that I told people that a certain individual whom many wanted put under the Tudor Scope was “creepy” and there was “something wrong” with the person. I was firmly told that I was wrong and didn’t know anything. It certainly seems like there is more to the story about this person, if Mr. Tudor thought this individual worthy of exploration. This has happened numerous times with other people (but they have not been of prominence such as to earn the Tudor Scope).
Jordy: “(Other parents may react differently with the potential of LOCE also.) Some individuals might perceive less or nothing in childhood but later on hit the jackpot by accident…”
That has accuracy based on what I’ve seen.
Jordy: “(Want to still get it accurate. lol. Re seeing a certain color “on a person”. It is seen because the signature of a person, who is „looked“ at, has this color…”
Yes. That makes sense to me.
Jordy: “Some might not see color but hear sound and so on. Some get a feeling or emotion, or instant knowing, or a mental picture, or a word, or a sentence. Perception is complex.”
Yes. I would go a bit further and say, Perception is critical, and understanding it is vital. Particularly pertaining to any human relationship/interaction. Also I think that color/sound/emotion/etc. can all work in tandem for the perception of an individual in terms of contagion empathy.
Now, I understand you, Jordy. You’re so patient. Thank you!
Thank you, dear Dani! I’m glad I’ve found the correct words. I don’t know if I’m patient🙈 If I would be, it’ll be faster in getting the correct words. In fact I admire your patience of giving it all time, focus and attention, I wish I had, to your degree ✧💕
On the talk of colors–does anyone else here taste them? As in when you see a color you get a flavor sensation as though you can taste it? I do, but the flavors don’t correspond to any foods I’ve ever tasted (i.e. red doesn’t taste like cherries but it tastes like ‘red’). Anyone else familiar?
But what happens where you are seeing colour and chewing gum?
Great question!
That is a great question! I don’t chew gum (I think I was offered some last year), but I find it’s good to have something around like a peppermint or other hard candy just in case I run into too much of something visually. Certain shades of white are really bitter, so it’s good to have something to offset that. Everybody likes to paint everything white around here! But there is a moment-to-moment fluctuation and it all mixes in my mouth. I would compare it to if you needed to describe the taste of some food–an apple for instance–but without the word ‘apple’, or the concept of it, and you wouldn’t be allowed to directly relate it to another food. Sort of like that? So if I see color it mixes with whatever is actually in my mouth.
The colors that I see are kind of like the world being a big stew, but not like any food I’ve actually physically tasted. There can be too much of this and not enough of that for my taste, for the sensation of taste in my mouth. Everywhere I get flavor, a distinct experience of flavor in my mouth, that is made up by the colors I see. Sometimes the individual components might be unpleasant (such as the bitterness with certain shades of white or yellow) but it can be okay combined with other things in my mouth–peppermint for example–or with other colors in the environment.
I also sometimes carry around paint chip samples from the hardware store that are especially delicious and flavorful, such as certain darker shades of blue which have a particularly sweet taste. They can counteract almost anything noxious. The taste of the sky is a wild ride. Right now I have some Pantone screenshots on my phone that help in a flavor emergency, such as in the doctor’s office with that weird, sour, beige-ish, green-ish, icky color. The green tinge is quite bitter, the beige is salty and sour, and together it just doesn’t do good things for me.
I also dress according to the tastes the colors of the clothing gives me. When I was a kid I was teased because of the combinations, and I took it really hard because I didn’t know my classmates weren’t going through the world by flavor.
Satisfying cravings with no calorie paint chips.
#lifegoal
I’ve also carried cloth of certain colors as flavor talismans.
Allison,
I’m fascinated by this. I’m curious, what does black taste like?
Black is umami, Leigh. One of my favorites.
Hi Allison,
I have questions like TS. I loved your story about when you were a kid and how you would dress by how the colors tasted and if the tastes complimented each other. You didn’t even consider if the clothes matched. I didn’t love the bullying. But the innocence of it all was very endearing. How do you compensate for that now or is it no longer a concern and you just dress the way you want?
Even if its a little eccentric, its super fascinating!
Hi, Leigh–
Thank you for asking. Now I just wear what I want without concern. I’m old enough not to care what anyone thinks, especially with what passes for dressing well these days. At times I do look a little more formal than the other students around me. Most are young and tussled in the university style of now.
And their footwear. Saints preserve us!
I no longer stand out too much, except for regularly wearing clean clothing without holes or rips which is okay by me. I also tend to wear well-fitting blazers a lot, so that looks a bit different. Things have loosened up around colors. The 70s and 80s in Texas were a particular kind of tyranny around “matching”. I don’t miss those days.
Now I can stand in my closet, peruse the tastes, and put together a menu of sensations with pleases me alone.
Allison, that’s a very interesting type of synaesthesia you have.
It was years before I first heard that word, and it really helped my understanding. I mostly experience it as something to manage, but thanks for your comment that it’s interesting.
Allison: blind people hear colors right? So why not? I was walking my dog in a field and this beautiful blind woman walked by smiling and looking around so at first I didn’t know she was blind. It was like she saw what I saw in a different way. Smiling the whole time.
I think when a sense is missing other senses get heightened too.
What flavor are rainbow gradients, Allison?
Like: https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/rainbow-gradient-background-horizontal-illustration-260nw-1921079384.jpg
Taken together the effect of that was mostly bitter, with some sour admixtures. I enjoyed concentrating on the blue end. Blue is sweet.
Thank you for the experience.
„But what happens where you are seeing colour and chewing gum?“
Easy. You’re watching the TV-series with that title.
Jordy…now I’m thinking about Mike Teavee from Willy Wonka…
I don’t have that ability but I have ready that there are people that taste and hear color.
Very interesting Allison!
I’m glad I’ve moved from being a weird kid to an interesting woman! Mostly. Still a bit weird.
Allison–
Normal is vastly over-rated! (and purely a matter of perspective/opinion).
Take a room of autistic people who all flap their hands and hop in place when happy (not universal for autistic people). A neurotypical person with them who doesn’t hand-flap or hop would be viewed as “weird.”
Allison,
It’s weird but hellish interesting!
Let’s say you paint your living area at home a certain colour that tastes good. Even though you like that taste, do you get sick of tasting it and need to change the colour of the room?
A bit like chocolate at Easter. I love chocolate but it doesn’t take me long before the thought of more chocolate would make me feel nauseous.
Does it work similarly, or is it only when you really focus on a colour that you can taste it?
Also, what about glass? Is looking at glass a break from tastes? I’m thinking more of a clear glass ornament, rather than a window.
Xx
Hi, TS–
When I need to change colors that taste good it’s usually a matter of needing a fresh visual aesthetic. I don’t really burn out on good visual tastes. Interesting question.
I taste whatever’s in my visual field, but the sensation is more intense if I concentrate. I can dial it down a bit by shifting my attention. I struggled with that when I was young. If the color combination someone wore was bothering me I’d become fixated on it. Couldn’t look away, so it would get worse and worse. I thought they were being especially callous because I assumed we were both having the same response to the flavors. So, I’d think, “Why are you doing this to me?” And I’d sit there, rigid with anger.
Regarding clear glass, I’ve never been in a situation where there was nothing with color nearby. I suppose I’d need to be in a space with infinite ornaments? If I could access glass without any color influence I assume that would be very restful.
I do know I get a flavor if large amounts of plate glass are stacked on each other, or I hit just the right angle on the edge of a pane of glass. I tend to see tinges of green or blue, especially along the edges. The green is bitter, the blue is sweet. Sometimes I’ve seen a bit of yellow, which is bitter. But that’s a very interesting question. I’ll be on the lookout for a suitable situation to check.
Hi Allison,
Thank you for answering. I think what you can do is fascinating. Difficult to live with I expect, but really fascinating.
Of course, you would assume as a child that everyone experienced colour as you did, I didn’t think about that. You would think people were mixing colours on purpose!
Yes, the problem with glass is that it will still contain colour at some point. My grandma used to have a clear glass ornament that was sphere shaped, thick and you could see the bubbles in the glass. I had that ornament in my mind when I wrote the comment. It was comforting actually, nice being back in my grandma’s house! I wondered if you held the ornament and looked down into the glass, you would see the colour of your own hands but you are familiar and comfortable with that, so I wondered if it might offer a break, a disconnect of sorts.
Your comment about the sky made me smile. Few people ‘look up’ and really notice. I love the changing colours of the sky.
Xx
“I wondered if you held the ornament and looked down into the glass, you would see the colour of your own hands but you are familiar and comfortable with that, so I wondered if it might offer a break, a disconnect of sorts.”
I can get a break by closing my eyes–bit of soothing umami–but that isn’t always prudent. Or staring at the night sky helps. Focusing on skin–mine or others’–can offer a respite. I haven’t come across any skin in its natural state which doesn’t taste delightful, but it doesn’t overwhelm and there’s so much variety even on one person. Skin gives me some peace. Except in the winter when everyone is covered up.
There’s so much color everywhere and people make so many noxious choices with it! But with proper care I get by.
Hi Allison,
That’s so interesting about skin. It sounds almost instinctive, a form of comfort that’s representative of being human. Don’t know, can’t describe really what I mean by that.
The night sky, definitely. I find it incredibly calming. I’m glad it offers a form of respite for you too.
Thank you for answering my questions Allison. I’m trying to imagine the taste of a cloudless blue sky now! I really miss summer!
Xx
That’s enough on what colours taste like.
Fair point HG. Thank you for allowing until now.
You’re welcome.
“red doesn’t taste like cherries but it tastes like ‘red’”
The red of the swimming trunks Mr. Tudor is wearing?
Tastes mmmmmmmm…
Tangerine.
Tangerine of the x wing pilot? Even tastier! You’re perfect, Sir!
@Jordyguin
Be careful with your comments, everyone is a critic or self proclaimed therapist 🤷♀️
I on the other hand agree with you, Mr Tudor is perfect and rather tasty 😉
Thank you nurse, Carole🙋♀️
I knew you would agree😘
And on a more serious note, Carole. I apologise for having been triggered by your behavior on the blog. I was blinded at first by the adolescent appearance of your “style” but later it hit me – you’re a mother(?) and a grandmother(?) who repeatedly dropped her dignity, which unfortunately triggers me and makes me want for you to collect it.
Unfortunately I also have to agree with your own statement about yourself being uneducated, though I tried to build you up on this insecurity. Otherwise you’d be able to distinguish between a self proclaimed therapist and a reader who participates in relation to the work of Mr. Tudor, over her experience (with minor!! tips about what have worked for me and I know to be safe to share), over which certain readers click instantly whilst others don’t. They have other opinions, beliefs, experiences and either emotional or cognitive approach through which they interact and which makes a difference. And might be influenced by ET fluctuations as well. But I’m here to learn and welcome to be educated, should I be incorrect. Or I’ll find it out myself on my own.
I feel now it’s not right to have „talked“ to an adult woman as if I had to mother you, but I still don’t agree on your stance that „if you knew me, you wouldn’t judge me“ – is as if – „if you knew me, you would diametrically change your perspective and be supportive of me exchanging marriage vows with a narcissist.“
As long as it’s just flirtatious banter with a minor flavor of losing yourself in it, I don’t have any issue with that and happily participate myself in it as well. But yours was not. You were dead serious about it. Most who addressed it were as alarmed as I.
Not to pick up on that, would mean to let you continue sleep-walking. I chose to address the cloak of vulnerability which is glued on to you, but I also came to accept it by now and try to see where it could benefit you ?…? Maybe it does in some way ?… Maybe there is something I don’t know and you’re absolutely right… I, other readers don’t know you, just as you don’t know us.
I apologise if my comments made you feel uncomfortable or have hurt you.
It seems many cameras are unable to correctly reproduce the exact shade of anything with a significant percentage of red. Whether it’s a flower or a berry, the colour is always slightly off in the picture. It’s not the fault of the poor swimming trunks or the gentleman wearing them!
Not the trunks in the picture, Anna.
*bites lip*
Combined with the color of your skin it all tastes very good and offsets the rest of the photo. I like it.
Thank you.
What photo? I want to see a picture of a man with swim trunks and beautifully colored skin!
What am I missing???
His shorts are predominantly sweet with a tinge of bitterness and saltiness. It’s nice.
As Bart Simpson might say “Eat my shorts’”
Just your shorts, Sir 😉
Sir, Tudorites, I think we discovered a new diet !!
🥁🥁
Shorts a day – keeps the narcissist away
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Dear HG,
What are we having for dessert? 😄xx
Dear Carole,
I’m so glad you’re back. Xx 🥰
I’ll be on the next flight.
Ha ha ha, Rebecca! I fell laughing 🙂
Let’s start with the fact, that it’s cinnabar. And cinnabar belongs to the red group, with a tint of orange, but it is red.
On any electronic medium, with light and dark light. I checked it many times two or three years ago.
Unless the photo was enhanced with red by HG to give the effect of tanned legs.
Or maybe the sun’s rays distort the color in this way?
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Give me a tangerine the color I see in the photo and it will be a red tangerine. Different from the rest of the varieties, different in color.
I don’t like it when someone tells me that a dog is a cat and tells me to repeat it. I cannot accept uncritically.
Taste – probably sweet, but leaving an unpleasant, bitter taste on the tongue.
I’ll help solve the mystery lol. The greek god biker legs in the avatar photo have been relaxing for quite a while now, wearing a certain shade of red trousers.
Which is correct?
a) what color shorts was HG wearing when he replied (Tangerine)?
b) what is the color of his swimming shorts currently?
Jordy:
a) apricot with a touch of cherry (let’s stir it more :))
b) blue with white small flowers and pink – these are my serious types.
lol! okay, let’s stir:
c) bambi
d) the earth is spherical, not flat
e) with a palantír (when I’m not too serious, but rebellious)
Hi contagious,
I know you asked Jordyguin this question and hopefully she will share her thoughts as well.
First, you are not just a meat and potatoes empath. You have an incredible reaction to people’s energies, I can’t imagine how hard it is to be an attorney and have a plethora of energies around you all day. It must be exhausting!
Having to be in nature regularly is a necessity for a contagion. Many people need to do that but they may not have any contagion characteristics.
You have intense recognition and feel the emotions and intent of people.
I also have dogs who are rescues, I have dogs all of my life. I adore butterflies dragon flies and humming birds are remarkable. I love all birds, there are a lot of different kinds where I live. Lizards and frogs have unique lifestyle, I love watching them when possible. I love kids and they love me-you and I those in common.
You have a huge amount of respect and empathy for nature and animals-so do I.
Regarding aura and colors, that is something that has just started happening to me. One day I could see my dog’s aura my husbands’ and one of his friends The colors I see are very muted and light and I only see in one color. They are weak compared to true aura readers. I highly doubt that you are a fake when you see some colors, maybe you force your focus too much? I’m pretty sure H.G. said something about seeing aura around empaths and the energy we put out.
I’m not sure how crazy your dreams are or how often you can remember them. Dream diary’s are great if you can write it down right away. I have not been able to do that because I can only remember pieces dreams.
I have no idea why we are this way. My Mom was this way but never mentioned if she saw color, my sister is not a contagion. I am intuitive but not psychic. I believe there is someone on the blog that is though.
I am so sorry you had dealings with a mob attorney, and what happened at your happened at your home sounds absolutely terrifying! I hope you have or get an alarm system with cameras.
P.s. I have read a couple books about auras but they didn’t help me see anything, but when I closed my eyes and listened to HG’s story I could see the colors and it felt I was that empath. It had a significant impact on me, it was kind of weird, lol
You should take that vacation, short or long it will give you a reprieve and can rejuvenate.
And you are not just meat and potatoes silly.
Love your response. Be great to see auras. I paint and my home is colorful. I do see white glows. Some small some large around everyone but not colors. But who knows what the future will bring! Red, and yellow, pink and green, purple and orange…. lol
As to intuitive, I get senses of energies behind what is automatic knowledge sometimes. But I see something and I know what they are feeling. It just is. When I met HG on the phone, I felt ice cold wind. Chilling to the bone but his voice was warm, intelligent, and professional. When he discusses visiting the lake at winter, I believe it’s just a reflection of his inner self. It’s a mirror of his “ soul.” That’s what I felt day one. Today I did a trial. I knew we were doomed with the judge the first glance and I knew no evidence or argument would change it. I told my client: this will be a kangaroo court. I got the judge to waver at times but he held fast to his made up mind. When I made a good upset in cross exam , the judge actually lost it, jumping in to argue my “ questions” which was a proven breach of contract, and it caused him to drop his impartiality. He was an advocate of the State from the start. Of course, he is a member of the State and paid by the State. At break, my client saw what I said was true and asked if we could get the settlement I had got the day before. I did. My ability to read people really helps my line of work and how to help my clients. Yes, it is demanding but I actually get energized by it oddly. It’s like a chess game with people but having to fit my knowledge of law to the board game to achieve a desired result. When it’s about fighting a wrong or justice, I feel such a surge of purpose but usually it’s about getting money into my clients accounts. Get a positive outcome. And I am not an attorney who burns others, out for my own fees. Due to my fairness there, I am very busy. Too busy. But what’s the opposite to that? I prefer busy until I retire. But even in retirement, I will probably take on a purposeful case. I was attracted to the law because I wanted to rid the world of bad guys. Give it balance but I found the DA office to not work that way. Yes the good ones help but you deal with the worst dregs in society where harm never really ends with a verdict. I left after a year because the darkness you see day after day was too hard to shake off. Blood, gore, I could handle but the emotional toll on victims and their loved ones bothered me. The perpetrators were curious to me. They were all inhuman. All of them. I handled murders, rapes, even a pedophile. The drug cases had murders in the background or other crimes. They just were wonky … like their words, eyes and manners never fit the reality. Their inhuman existence never bothered me as much as the ever ending pain they caused others. If I had a magic wand, I would take that pain and put it in them. Sometimes their kind in prison does just that… when I interviewed with the US Attorneys Office and the attorney General Office, I was against the death penalty but I did work those cases. I would but I felt it was too easy. Yes, you remove the problem. But the expense to the taxpayers is too great. My religious beliefs also made me a hypocrite as I could not flip the switch myself. I always felt the perpetrators should spend their lives having to WORK to compensate their victims. Make them slaves to restitution. That’s my position.
Hugs! Thank you for your kindness and response!
Hello again my friend: As to my dreams, it is a lifelong puzzle. I have almost daily lucid dreams. I thought everyone did it most people. BUT The percentage of people who experience almost daily lucid dreams is relatively low, estimated to be around 1% to 2% of the population. Lucid dreaming is a phenomenon where the dreamer is aware that they are dreaming and may be able to exert some degree of control over their dreams. It’s a fascinating and relatively rare experience for most individuals. I met a woman who is a Wiccan and psychic at a fairground and she told me that everything you dream is you. And I could talk to my subconscious and ask questions even. I haven’t taken her class but that would be cool to learn someday if true. If true. I am not convinced. I had a dream of a murdered friend and she showed me clocks that at her trial proved to be the time of death by the LA coroner. I have odd dreams like that. I visit dead people and their homes. I usually go to all these places I have never been and meet people I have never met and sometimes I return and say hello as if they were real. I have had dreams that I wrote books about. Only 3 in my life. I have had dreams where it was a myth. Meeting “ people” with abilities that when I awoke, I researched. I even saw my deceased dogs and their new house and owner. There have been some dark presences in my dreams. I don’t know Jung but My guess is they represent an archetype. I get messages. They reveal truths that come later and the archetypes such as this goth looking trickster are handsome and very seductive. There is a parking lot where a man is a gatekeeper. I know not to go there and always turn away. Anyway that’s a bit. I would bore you with details but I have kept a journal since 12. Daily. I find if I read it later, things are revealed. It’s like “ ahhh that makes sense now. Some does not like the places and people I visit. For example there is a marrekesh bizarre, an Australian hill where sports are played below and a table and a fire, a White House by the ocean where parties are thrown, a pond where animals of all kinds gather, a jetty that is a spa with three different colors of baths where you bathe in glittering fluorescent swells. I could go on… there are many and I could describe the people and our discussions as if real. It feels real. I could describe my deceased loved ones homes as if they were my neighbors I saw yesterday. It’s bizarre and I have zero idea why BUT I have had the good fortune of meeting a few here like me on the contagion blogs. I think it’s a contagion thing. ? I have exhausted searched and science knows little about dreams.
Contagious, twilight love, hmm. In what direction does the head of your bed point? Your head to the west? Would be interesting if you did it intuitively😘
“White glows around people and animals that move but that could be nothing.”
Pffff nothing! Pay attention to it as long as you can and try to see more, and if you can “pull” your vision closer to the “glow”. Look from behind the person, not from the front. From the front is intrusive, from behind is okay.
Wiccan and psychic told you that everything you dream is you. Nope. Not everything is you. Rewiring the brain during sleep, yes, it’s you. Other dreams, no.
“There is a parking lot where a man is a gatekeeper. I know not to go there and always turn away.” — Well done, don’t go there. I have a similar place and I know with every fiber, if I go there I will not wake up. It’s real.
Jordyguin! Wow! I got shivers reading your post. My deepest thanks. Also your words rang so true. Yes my head points to the West. I am a west coast gal too. California. What does that mean? No idea.
I will try it. The white is like orbs or outlines of living things. I don’t see them on rocks and trees. The move around. It could be my eyesight but I will try doing it from behind. Some get quite big or long but rare.
As to the dreams again. No idea. I forever look this the shivers to meet someone who has a similar experience. I felt the same. If I entered, I would free fall forever. That’s what scares me. I am not even curious. Not at all. It’s a dark parking garage with lit steps to go in. The homeless man has goat eyes and sits there in front of it. He wears dark clothing and is old. He never looks at me. Only at this tin in front of him. Looking down. Gestures to the lot with his hands. Doesn’t say anything. I could awake pick him in a mugshot but zi won’t bore you with details. It’s rare I see it. And I always turn the opposite way.
My dreams have no time and sometimes no space. I once opened a door to a club and people were dancing in space as if there was a floor. My former deceased neighbor was there and waved. There is a reason dreams are called surreal… many times I want to stay as the places are so wondrous. And the people I meet are in my dreams often friends who I don’t know at all when I awake. It feels safe. Sometimes I force myself to awake as I have much to do daily! thanks again so much!
Jordyguin, Contagiuos – Your words about places in dreams, that you cannot enter, because then there will be no return and I won’t wake up – I have the same thing!
I’m not classified as a majority Contagion Empath, but I also have these kinds of dreams.
I distinguish “normal” dreams, ordinary dreams in which I process everyday events in a fanciful way. Sometimes I don’t even notice the problem, and the dream shows it to me. Sometimes I find a great solution in a dream, dreams are like hints. I wake up filled with wonder and energy because I have discovered something new: “Heureka!”
The second category of dreams, which are less common for me, are those on the border between life and death. Specific, leaving a strong impression on me. Sometimes ominous, sometimes beautiful. Sometimes they are like telegrams, that bring me messages – which I learn about later (something like parallel clairvoyance – with events in another place). This is very rare for me, but yes, it has happened and it’s hard to explain. Of course, these could have been amazing coincidences.
I prefer the first category of dreams. They are so cleansing and clarifying – as if my brain itself was doing the work for me, while I was sleeping and resting soundly.
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Dark figures – I don’t like to think about it. Most often, they appear in short 15-minute episodes (always behind the fog, I can’t see eyes, they are like dark clouds), right after falling asleep (but not only). If they appear, they circle around me and sooner or later they start to press on me. They don’t even have to come to me. I can feel, when they are interested in me. It feels like a sudden descent in an elevator, that has broken, a huge panic. Danger! Danger! I then wake up with a powerful myoclonic burst of the whole body. Like a super-fast spring and jump.
A moment later, I can sleep peacefully and safely. The body stops being stiff and becomes pleasantly relaxed. These characters rarely appear in deep dreams and longer dream stories.
Contagious, that’s awesome!! I’ll give you just a brief description re West and dreaming because I want to respect HG’s wish regarding this type of topics and the purpose of this platform focused on narcissism, but also not to provoke possible adverse reactions in people of „you ridiculous lunatics“. It’s sensible for people to think the way they think and to question the type of things some of us are more drawn to, based on their own experiences and it’s absolutely normal and acceptable.
We have four directions; north, south, east, west and apparently every human being has his/her direction, where their ‘source’ comes from. These directions have different qualities to them, different temperaments and different energy. So for instance if you’ve found out which direction is yours, you’ll find that many things for you “come” from this direction i.e. you function more effectively. From rest/sleep (your head points in this direction) to finding solutions and inspiration (facing this direction), to positioning your desk facing this direction. All directions are beneficial to work with for different purposes and different qualities, but there will be one which will prevail more than the others. Given your intuition, you discovered your prevailing direction, for a while now, and this as well impacts and explains your good dreaming ability as this direction supports you in it. (Dreams can also change, if you change direction. Just to see what each direction has to offer.)
You describe many things intuitively in accord with what I would say – you’re on the right path, continue! – and instead of giving explanations of what this could mean and how this all functions, I rather invite you to strengthen your own link with what you already are connected to; energy, spirit, source, God, however you want to call it and find your own answers. And as well be guided by yourself where answers might await you from an outer source, should you need them (just as you were guided to HG and his knowledge).
Re „seeing“ energy. As mentioned previously, if you see white glow type of thing around people, and as you described it, it is beneficial to look at them from behind and experiment with this by simply gazing at the glow and see (listen, feel, taste) what you discover. Gazing at people’s energy from the front usually can’t work because there is a protection people have in the front area and it’s sensible. What you may see if you look at people’s glow from behind them, may not be of gigantic nature, it can be just a simple thing. Don’t expect some grandiose revelations of all time. It’s not like that. It’s about energy and not ultimately about the physical side. To „translate“ an energetic picture into physical meaning is what you aim for, but is not ultimately required. Some people just enjoy what they can see and that’s enough.
If you see colorful auras as you face people, it is a different type of thing, containing perhaps more information about the person, but I’m not that much familiar with that, so again I invite you to find out on your own. If you see glow, energetic fluctuations, bubbles, streams, unrelated to people, it’s the same rule – gaze at them and feel if you are pulled towards it and let it guide you and see what happens. If you feel you don’t want to be pulled, just cut the connection (no, thank you). Seeing is the same as with hearing or mental pictures in your head, if you don’t like the source and don’t want to interact with it, just cut the connection. You don’t have to listen to everything, just because you can. And know that nothing from the “other side” can harm or intrude on you if you don’t want to interact and exchange and are clear about it.
You perceive all of these things in a state which is very close to the state of dreaming. So again you (and other girls, with other predilections, distinct or dormant) are quite talented in this field and just trust your ability. And yes, there are places when we dream, which are of the nature „we won’t come back here, if we enter them“. All your instincts are correct not to enter. What those places are, who knows.
One last thing. The four directions will be associated with different things. One of them, West – is connected to knowledge and writing. You write and read a lot and want to share your knowledge. I found it fascinating when I read HG’s article, The Relational Tower, and how he referenced the four directions and what comes from them or what they do for him. When he mentions the West it is related to a source which plays a greater role amongst other directions and sources. And HG likes to write, to read and share his knowledge… Another lucky coincidence, I found. ✧♡
Sonya–
You say that you only see one color and it is very light. What color is it? What meaning have you associated with it? Please.
I have only seen an auric color and it was around my dog. He came running in the house with a light yellow streak around him, I thought there was something on him but there wasn’t and the color stayed around him for a while.
He was really happy and full of playful energy. I do not see auras, that was the only time I’ve ever noticed a color.
I feel the energy more than seeing auras.
Thank you, Sonya.
Would a contagion empath need to be physically proximate and/or see the other person to connect to their feelings?
P.S.: In the unlikely event you would ever want to ensnare me, the voice used in this video is not going to do it.
To ensure accuracy, yes. It might be done without physical proximity with risk of error.
PS It was not intended to, you are not that special.
Of course I’m not special, but maybe you can use it as a little data point for your research. I had noticed after sending the comment that there is a possibility that the P.S. part might take on the guise of a criticism on the way to you. If that is the case, I am sorry and it is of course entirely my fault.
How come contagion empaths do not sense that the narcissist does not truly feel what he or she is claiming to feel for them? Should they not notice that the genuine emotion behind the pretty words is missing and be somewhat protected against falling for them?
They are blinded by their emotional thinking and of course certain narcissist are highly skilled at replicating the emotions which cons the relevant empath.
Admittedly, I’m left muttering “somebody pass the acid so I can begin to understand this hippy dippy trippiness that is the Contagion empath” haha, but what really trips me up (I know you see what I did there), is how for all the auras, crystals, colours, and whatnot in their toolkit, they are unable to discern genuine emotion from the replicated emotion offered by a narcissist (even if considered highly skilled). On the face of it, it seems a “guess” or “feeling” could be more easily hijacked by emotional thinking than some highly attuned intuition that you’d think would insist itself upon the conscience of the Contagion and reject the replicated feelings of the narcissist as inauthentic. In any case – it seems to serve little to no purpose in protection against ensnarement by a narcissist, which seems unfair given the sheer exhaustion this must wreak upon the possessor of said “gift”.
So, for an accurate reading physical proximity is required, and it is possible to con them with a realistic replication of emotion. Playing devil’s advocate I would then have to ask: What sets the contagion empath apart from somebody who is simply extremely adept at consciously or unconsciously reading body language, i.e. the physical manifestation or fabricated replication of emotion?
They feel, the other reads.
How do we determine to an evidentiary standard that the one who feels is not just subconsciously reading and his mind translates this into a feeling?
NA, lol, pass you the acid, no, pass me. The “gift” is what the narcissist radiates. And that hijacks as with any other school, yes? I swear co-d and contagion have so much in common. But contagion is a spoiled brat – it’s the Greaters or the Uppers for them, so one doesn’t bother because those demons deliver. Power disarms, regardless of fine tunes.
When I listened to my first HG video it was: No way. No. I can’t do it. I will not listen. This voice catapults me to hell… So I listened to all the other profs in the playlist but knew the whole time that that voice from the underworld has all the answers I’m looking for…. Then my “ears”(?) adjusted and now I can listen on repeat and even fall asleep to this…
HG: They are blinded by their emotional thinking and of course certain narcissist are highly skilled at replicating the emotions which cons the relevant empath.
1. Are there particular emotions that specific contagions are more vulnerable to?
2. If yes to 1, which ones?
3. Can particular circumstances that a contagion has been through/is going through create unique vulnerabilities to specific types of narcissists?
Thank you so much for your time! Much appreciated.
What do you mean by being vulnerable to?
NA, I’ve thought about this too.
I’m not attached to any narcissists at the moment so I’m thinking back and also having to use non romantic narcissists I know currently for reference.
I don’t think it’s that the narcissist sends out false positive emotion and the Contagion empath believes that his false positive emotion is genuine. I actually think the narcissist doesn’t send out any positive emotion at all false or otherwise, so the Contagion empath is actually met with an emotional void.
The skill of the narcissist is more to do with how he can make the empath feel. I think it’s more that through the use of words and actions the narcissist creates a generation of feeling from within the empath herself. This emotion would then feel genuine but thanks to the trickery of the narcissist the Contagion confuses the emotion she herself generates as belonging to the narcissist. Like a kind of projection.
With the narcissist we all tend to see what we want and expect to see. Any questioning is silenced by the Addiction through ET. So if the Contagion feels that this emotional read isn’t quite right because it actually isn’t, the elevated ET and call of the addiction might well redirect her. A time when she really should rely on her Contagion sensing, she doesn’t and she uses flawed logic instead. She makes excuses, she pays more attention to the words and actions. In effect, she turns a blind eye to an emotional void because she ‘wants to.’
When it comes to devaluation, the emotions the Contagion empath senses and absorbs are then genuine and do belong to the narcissist. These are the negative emotions and the narcissist has no problem generating those.
When I encounter a narcissist now, in day to day life, what I feel from them in terms of positive emotion is actually ‘nothing at all.’
I might be completely wrong, don’t know. Xx
This is an older comment TruthSeeker but if I’m correct I’m understanding, and from my experience, it could be positive projection onto the narcissist by the contagion empath? I have learnt that susceptible to doing this and try and keep myself in shock..
Hi TS,
This is an old comment from you. Don’t worry if you can’t remember, but I wondered if you could explain more about this:
“When it comes to devaluation, the emotions the Contagion empath senses and absorbs are then genuine and do belong to the narcissist. These are the negative emotions and the narcissist has no problem generating those.”
I feel like it resonates but would like to understand further…
Hi two,
I think I can explain this a little better than I did two years ago, more narcissists have crossed my boughs since then. This is just my explanation though, not HG’s and also not the explanation of a full Contagion, I’m only part contagion, but I use it a lot.
Let’s start with empathy and the difference with Contagion empathy. (My understanding)
Let’s say you tell me that your dog has died. You tell me in person and you are standing in front of me.
Empathy. I listen carefully, I feel sad for you because I imagine how it feels to be you in that situation. I might draw on the loss of my own dog and remember how distraught I felt. I hate that you are suffering a similar loss. I feel incredibly sad for you, genuinely sad. I might re visit my own loss too. Now I feel sad about both.
Contagion empathy. I listen carefully. I feel sad for you because I feel your sadness coming off you in waves. It’s sharp and it’s deep and I can feel where it is in my own body. I remember the loss of my own dog and remember how distraught I felt. There is a place for my sadness and there is also a place for yours. I feel both. Yours as you feel it, mine as I feel it. I feel incredibly sad for you, genuinely sad. I can still feel your sadness until yours gradually seeps away from me over the following days. I am left with my own sadness for us both.
So, as part Contagion I absorb your feelings in the way that you experience them. Why is it then that I didn’t notice that the narcissist’s expression of love wasn’t genuine?
During the golden period the Midrange or Lesser believes that his love for you is real. This is a genuine belief but it is the belief in the idea of love that is genuine, not the love itself. The narcissist demonstrates love through his actions, behaviours, words etc. These actions he genuinely believes are representative of love. So there is a genuine element that won’t flag to me as false.
The narcissist cannot love, he has no empathy. He simply believes he does. Within the golden period or a period of seduction I believe what the Contagion feels early on, is the belief of the narcissist which honestly feels more like ‘ love light’. It kind of feels like ‘love’ or ‘like’ but it isn’t, it’s infatuation, there’s not as much depth to it, it’s kind of see through when I try to visualise it.
At the same time ET is rising rapidly. We are being mirrored and it feels great, we feel high like every other empath feels. The addiction is winding around us and our senses are starting to dull as the fog of emotional thinking rolls in. We WANT to believe in this person now. Our addiction is making us feel good. We push aside the ‘light’ / ‘not recognisable’ feeling of ‘love’ or ‘like’ that we can’t really place, we don’t turn the emotion around in our minds and examine it as we should. Instead, we believe what we WANT to believe. Emotions are also subjective. How you experience love will feel different to how I experience it so I’m not expecting his emotion to be identical to mine, emotions rarely are. Essentially, something’s not quite right, but I sure am having a lovely time here!
When it comes to devaluation, the narcissist’s negative emotions ARE genuine. He doesn’t just believe he is angry / furious he really IS furious. Now all of these negative emotions that the Contagion takes in are entirely genuine, no if’s or but’s about it. Therefore, in devaluation the negative emotions that the narcissist truly experiences are absorbed by the Contagion empath and these really do feel genuine, because they are. Now all our ET has to do is to provide excuses for why he is feeling that way and persuade us to try and fix it.
Emotional Thinking muddies the water for every empath including Contagions. A full Contagion might experience things more fully, might explain it differently, but as part contagion this is what I think is happening in me.
I have narcissists in my social group, not inner circle but outer circle. I am painted white. My mum is one. Now that I am aware, if I concentrate on the positive emotion they send out to me (emotions of friendship / care that they believe are genuine) the best way to describe it with low ET is emotion ‘light’. If I visualise it, it’s transparent, I can see through it. Genuine emotion from non narcs isn’t transparent like that.
With awareness and low ET, I think Contagions might learn to identify narcs in this way. When we were unaware it was kind of, ‘emotional category not recognised’. Now that we are aware, the failure to be able to clearly categorise the emotion we are absorbing is a massive red flag and we should listen to our instincts before ET closes the window of clarity.
Sorry that was so long, and sounded a bit woo woo!
Hi Anna: you know something is not right and you override it. In my case I knew immediately things were off but I didn’t understand WHY. You are your own worst enemy when dealing with narcs. Yes, HG …emotional thinking… in my case it was confusing. He was so loving with dogs and children and yet always the victim with problems. Day one. I didn’t understand with his creds why such problems ? Day one. He is elite and this threw me off too as extremely well spoken and a great artist who had a good job ( then) and attractive but his work and personal relations around him screamed unstable as did other inconsistencies that I can identify now. All thanks to HG. My instinct from day one was “ I don’t get it.” At first I thought how can this educated intelligent sensitive artist man be in such problems all the time. And at first I thought his focus on others being wronged in the world was sweet. He was “ off” from the start but I loved loved loved the love making and the intellectually engaging and entertaining side of him-still do …when we speak and it’s not all about what mess his life is. I recall thinking I will never be bored. He stimulates me so and great with my children and dogs. My daughter thought he was a “proper Brit” but… time showed the problems . Constant crisis. Some blown out of proportion but many very very real. I wanted a real partner in life so I left years ago. You know how everything Midas touches turns to gold? With him, everything goes wrong. His life is Sods law. Every single time he took one step forward it was 10 back. For example, he got the best flat in Dulwich, walked dogs for a disabled woman for free, learned how to play guitar without instruction in a year and got a decent job. The job was low pay but a good international company, we thought he would climb up the ladder but he fell. His boss was “ persecuting him” and he was being victimized as older and male and white and because he was vegan. He had conflicts with her and they mutually agreed he could part. He had 10 jobs when I was with him. Even the disabled woman won’t let her highly active puppy be walked by him anymore. I think she got tired of hearing about all his problems. Sad really. I felt sorry for him and I still do as he had an awful awful childhood …but he is a grown man now not a child and it’s up to him. There’s help. Not my problem… now. In one way I admire him as he accepts poverty so well. In fact I don’t think it would matter if rich or poor to him. He would always be a victim to a crisis. He also actively seeks information and conspiracies about all of the atrocities of the world. How wrong it is! That poor child! That poor dog! How wrong this world is! He lives life the same way and I don’t think money would change him. I would reject the rock bottom and do everything to change it on my own. “The world is so bad! Woe is me! Life is unfair. True but you can make choices to improve things. He does then falls back. Anyway, just feeling or identifying this person is not normal, only if you learn more… can you do better at getting out faster. HG is amazing in this way, with knowledge. Knowledge is power. The balance tips at some point. The bad outweighs the good. And you seek inner balance at all costs. I went through the love bombing or honeymoon stage but I knew from day one… there is something wrong. I pushed it aside. Guilty!
Mr. Tudor–
1. Have you ever known yourself (owing to them telling you) been on the receiving end of a contagion empath feeling you at a distance?
2. If yes to 1, what were your thoughts when that contagion empath told you of their experience?
Thank you so much for your time! Much appreciated, sir.
1. Yes but I did not believe them.
2. A load of nonsense. When pressed the individual could not provide anything close to an adequate explanation.
Thank you, sir.
1. What emotion did they say they felt from you?
2. What data would an explanation have to contain for you to consider it adequate?
3. Did you tell the individual your honest thoughts after they shared their experience with you (then or later)?
Thank you so much for your time. Much appreciated.
1.The individual concerned contacted me to state that she felt that I was angry and asked if I was okay. I replied I was not angry, nor had I been furious at any point in the day, therefore this supposed reading of my feeling was inaccurate.
2. One that meets my evidential standard and is logical.
3. Yes.
In fairness, I don’t believe any of us could come up with an adequate explanation to give to anyone.
Thank you, sir.
1. What position did this person occupy in your fuel matrix at the time they felt you were angry?
2. What would your thoughts be if a contagion empath had no evidence but they were accurate in what they felt from a distance?
Thank you so much for your time, sir. Much appreciated.
1. NITS.
2. Lucky guess.
Thank you, sir.
1. Have you ever had a majority contagion as your IPPS?
I can understand how you would find it to be a coincidence the first time a contagion empath told you correctly what you had felt/were feeling.
2. What if a particular contagion empath was repeatedly correct?
3. How would you evaluate multiple incidences (when correct) with your evidence threshold?
Thank you so much for your time. Much appreciation.
1. No.
2. They have not been.
3. See 2.
Thank you, sir! Much appreciation.
Hi Dani:
When I first met him…I was excited as I found his work astounding!
I told him in this blog that when meeting him it felt like chilling cold air but his voice is so warm. It was like being at the arctic by a lake then here comes the warmth of the fire.
When he does his lake series I think of him and my first impressions…
His reply: better than hot air!
lol HG is so whitty!
Ps I was not the one who said angry. In fact I find HG the opposite. Almost clinical like a great surgeon. At least here… never see fury here. Or I missed it.
Thank you for sharing, Contagious.
Do you think you’ve ever felt anger from Mr. Tudor? In a YouTube video?
Was it a response of the moment? Did that feeling change when you listened again in the future (if you have done so)?
Contagion,
The impression I get of HG is very calm and very calculating, like a well trained Special Service soldier…nothing goes by unnoticed, uncategorized and dealt with, in a timely manner…precise and to the point too….like a shiny, gold pen. There’s no losing his shit, that’s so Lesser
and Midrange, he’s above them both. Xx
Also he says my dreams are/were coincidence. But that never made sense… all the clocks and his watch was 2:17 am. Why? I don’t dream of watches. The notepad that flipped to len money. I thought it was a name until the trial where the DA did his close and send the argument that lead to her death was “ lending money.” These are STRANGE coincidences. Why all the dreams of old obese Marlon Brando. I told all my friends I had a weird grandfather complex. But when I discovered that my premature child ( he was fine) was born on Marlon’s birthday… ok I get that maybe your body gives signs about time of birth but why Marlon? I am not a devotee and if I had a choice I would have a dream of young hot Marlon. I don’t know too many coincidences…there is something more here but I don’t know what or why. Wish I did or could control it to do something productive.
Dani: I have never felt H.G. being angry at anytime and I have been following a long time. He is my fireside Orson Wells entertaining but on top of it educational. I saw and heard corrections he felt he must do but to me it was like swatting a fly. I have not seen or heard his fury thank goodness and I have bought about everything. When I like an artist, author, musician etc.. I do that. I gobble it all up. So… seething fury kept abated. Not anger. I think that exists for say… a certain family member. This appears in his legacy series. It’s beyond mere anger.
Hello Contagious–
I have heard what I would interpret as heated fury once on YouTube. It was some time back, and with how quickly Mr. Tudor sorted it out, it was unnerving…to the point that today, I don’t know if it was real or put on for show. It seemed quite real in the moment, and I only heard the tiniest piece of him pulled back together before I had to leave.
HG, those narcissistic psychopaths who converse about energy, about the energetic components of „life“; about the non physical ― do they come to their conclusions about energy by reason (because they are cerebral or elite) and they are rather mirroring the Contagion and retell sources on this topic, or because they also can sense/„see“ what the Contagion senses and „sees“? (The energetic “things”; the non physical perception, etc.)
Does perceiving energy have to do with being an empath or a psychopath, or a narcissist, at all?
And why are narcissistic psychopaths (assuming they are just mirroring and don’t perceive energy) would be interested in the non physical part of life if they are only driven, by the means of fuel, to control the physical side of it? And assuming the latter — are some of them interested in the energy topic/science because the physical side (only) ― bores them and they are curious? Or (and) because their narcissism -the need for control- reasons that the energy (the non physical) can be controlled by the means of the physical effort via the narcissism which bases its existence on fuel i.e. physical energy?
And finally, what is reason if not an energy trapped in one specific labyrinth of the mind?
Character Trait Acquisition.
The perception is utilised by empaths and narcissists, just not all.
It is a subject which can be used for triangulation and is representative of grandiosity.
„The perception is utilised by empaths and narcissists, just not all.“
Certainly. The reality gaps will be filled differently, I would think. The magic of perception after all, whilst dealing with what cannot be explained to a truly fulfilling extent and yet the protective (and thus leading) role of the rationale must enable the so-called survival and simultaneously „feed“ of its function. Shielding the receptor (human), from the overwhelm of reality, allowing only bits to permeate those shields and assemble the perception from case to case differently but also repetitively… The manipulation techniques throughout history led this process to the same outcome… Until now. Something profound may change this time, within several different avenues.
Thank you for your time and answers!
Mr. Tudor–
You said–of contagian empaths–that they are favored by greaters and ULA (those playing gurus in particular). Midrange narcs don’t really get how the contagian works. So they don’t know how to “play” with that kind of appliance in the same way they instinctively know how to wind-up co-dependents and standards.
Normals are not going to typically do this with close friends/family. I know that, because they have emotional empathy…however, normals can be problematic as you’ve said…and I would imagine even more so when they’re confused (as all your other classifications can be, too, I would think).
1. Do normals sometimes find majority contagians more confusing than other schools of empath?
2. Can their lack of understanding produce more hostile behavior, for what may look like–to the normal–drama but is genuine sensitivity? (e.g. A contagian who doesn’t like organized religion when the normal is a member of a synagogue/church/etc and saying that it’s overwhelming to be there…or worse, pointing out that the rabbi/preacher/etc habitually behaves in problematic ways…like a holy narcissist.)
Majority contagians are rare. I tend to think that not everyone has encountered one, just as you say that not everyone deals with narcissists as part of their daily lives.
3. Are there certain traits (those assessed via the TDC and otherwise) that contagians just tend to be higher in, beyond their sensitivity to others’ emotions?
Regarding Narcissists who play at Contagian empathy specifically:
4. Which cadre would be most likely to fake this? (School would be Midrange, I would guess)
5. Have you ever encountered someone faking being a contagian empath?
6. If yes, what is the best way to figure it out? (If yes, story or video in the fullness of time would be so helpful.)
7. Could a narcissist faking it…be engaging in a form of “character trait acquisition” while declaring it to be “toxic empathy” that prevents them from knowing who they are or that they have always felt a certain way?
Thank you so much for your time. I always appreciate it.
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.
4. Mid Range.
5. Yes.
6. The indicators of a narcissist as explained in other work.
7. They are engaging in character trait acquisition and facade management.
Thank you so much for answering these questions on this thread, HG. Thank you. I greatly appreciate today (Yesterday where you are now). It has been one of the best days that I’ve had in a long time, and it’s thanks to your blog and your presence. You help so much with all the knowledge that you share with us. I’m so grateful for you, sir.
Dani,
Regarding the faking of a contagion empath,
I have met two male victim midrange narcissists like that.
Constantly looking for reassurance, extremely sensitive to physical labour, to help lifting something, rarely keeping a job for more than 6 months, extremely sensitive to the smallest criticism. Both very good looking. Both often mentioning that they can feel what “the person over there is feeling”.
Neither of these guys were like any commenter here on narcsite who are contagion empaths.
Hello, Another Cat,
What you’ve described sounds very familiar to me. Thank you for sharing. I really appreciate it. You put them through the ND?
Another cat:
Yes, H.G. said midrangers do that versus the others.
Dani: I laughed out loud at your Harry Potter response! How clever! You are quite creative!
No, I fell in love with a narc. My ET overrides my gut instinct. I push it aside sometimes. We all get that itch.. don’t go there… and then we do.
No wand just H.G. education to help me on my journey!
But with that being said, it isn’t a creative book. What I say is truthful and real and a side to me the vast majority don’t see. And I have spent a lifetime reading books, searching, especially scientific articles. Going to seminars as it’s a regular part of my existence. I enjoy and RESPECT the similar people here who have some of the same or other traits. We usually meet on contagion threads.
Do I celebrate it? It’s like asking someone if they like their body shape.., my first response would be well… it’s you. If you don’t like it, change it. I am dieting now as a matter of fact. My second response would be: well it’s me. You explain it to me then. I just accept myself and others and try to be supportive as life is too short.
I would bet once H.G. does his “what creates empaths series” some of the whys will be answered. Some he will say “ coincidence” as no one knows… or I haven’t found that brain study result yet;)
Contagious–
I’m looking forward to the “What Creates the Empath” series. I hope it will answer a great number of my questions.
I’m really curious about what makes a contagion sensitive to particular emotions. From what I’ve heard from you and others, it sounds like you’re equally sensitive to all emotions. I want to know if this is the case for all contagions or if there are those who may be more sensitive to negative emotions than positive ones…and such…
You indicated over on “What the Contagion Empath Does” thread that you feel positive and negative emotions with the same intensity. I don’t know that that would be true for all contagion empaths. I’m curious to find any who are more sensitive to particular emotions, be they positive or negative, and hear their thoughts about why they think that is.
If I had to approach one of three strangers – one was laughing happily, the second was looking ahead with sad eyes, the third was walking nervously in circles – I would approach the second person. And if the second person was not there – to a third person.
I prefer sadness, because it is my proper setting.
Sadness and anger are a job to be done. Joy – is not having to work.
Joy and happiness are less interesting – although of course sometimes I willingly immerse myself in them, everyone needs a moment of rest, relaxation and quick energy.
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When it comes to the intensity of positive and negative emotions. It’s hard to compare them. Joy and happiness are accumulated energy, that radiates and burns out. Sadness is low energy, but very lasting. Anger, rage – the most condensed energy lightning, I like them.
Frustration – the worst possible – energy loss.
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To soothe the irritation, anger, frustration or rage of someone I love, is almost my duty. Quite an easy task. Sometimes that means stepping in and taking upon myself, sometimes you just need to listen, and sometimes you have to step back and approach later or wait for someone to approach me. The use of “electroshocks” can also to sober up an angry person – although it involves depleting my own energy – only in extreme cases.
To bring someone out of sadness or despair (even for a moment of relief from pain) – FOR ME it is an explosion of experiences, pride, joy and happiness. Lots of energy. You’ll get it from me as a bonus, for your one smile amidst the gray waves of sadness.
This insight on the Contagion was fascinating HG! It put into words what I have experienced but not been able to describe! Thankyou! The section on the aura was interesting. Feelings as colours and colours as energy that surround people. It moves and shifts as alive. The part where Contagions cannot make others FEEL what they feel but rather we can TAKE/ ABSORB others emotion/energy and ALLEVIATE for example sadness of another it’s spot on returning to emotional equilibrium. If this is a regular occurance then spending time alone is highly important to diffuse the energy which is not our own, otherwise overwhelm and burnout occur. When you say high majority contagion what percentage would that be, and is there a contagion that exists that is 80/100%?
You would not find 100% contagion, we would be looking at 85% and above.
In your latest YouTube, which was so powerful and so true, I would label you a gatekeeper or a bridge if some sorts between narcs and psychopaths and contagions! I was Silenced. Completely floored. But you had a Freudian slip, you said Lark than dark. Happy as a lark! Larks have a meaning of inner personal joy that uplifts others. They are earthly little beings lol
HG you need to sell your images! We LOVE them. I would buy contagion. Whoever does your images for your blog is so talented!
1. Do you pick among images or does your artist decide?
2. Do you give direction ?
The quality is ULTRA!
1. Sometimes I select them.
2. I provide direction for what I want to see and also my designer has learned what I want to convey through images so often “reads” what is required ahead of my stipulation.
Jordyguin I didn’t look at the imagery ! What a brilliant perspective obit! Thanks!
HG, how fascinating!!! You mentioned the aura!!! How interestingly you described it..! So much new information there! Thank you so much!
I must listen to all the videos again and again!
What strikes me is – the population on the planet is indeed structured amongst the categorisations, how you describe it. The mixture of the schools and cadres makes the uniqueness and still it all can be seen, foreseen and explained!
Your voice at the beginning of The Contagion Empath – „the voice of the eminence grise“ (as I call it) is so different, before you switch to the „HG Tudor – the narrator“ voice. That first voice is filled with type of feelings which are something else! Every time this voice appears I hear someone else! So cool!
How brilliant the choice of all the images, the colors and shades in this series!!!
Everything about the Contagion image is simply fantastic!!! The dark silhouette of the individual resembling the silhouettes of the trees! The branches – the WEB of veins this individual is connected through the tree-branches, which surrounds the human!!!
The LIGHT!!! Omg, the light at the bottom of the feet! Usually people (artists) when creating images of such nature – they place the light at the area of the head or the center (belly), or the heart. To place the light at the bottom, at the feet is fantastic! It is the area where we connect to the earth! Where we have hearts in our feet, where we can feel so much – where our roots „go in to the earth“, where the love, the energy, the source sits, as it starts at the bottom of our feet and washes over us, rising to the top and spread in all directions!
The red color choice for the font – the blood which circulates – connecting the organisms, holding them together – bringing the individual and the surroundings in to one huge organism..!Ahhh
Magnificent! I love it so much!!!
Hi Jordy,
I love your description of the colors working together to create our empathy in relation to nature and living beings.
The colors of auroras are interesting. Dark Red is a color of anger, black and grey represent pent up negative emotions that need to be released.
There are a multitude of colors but there are 14 colors a which have direct associations to moods.
Contagions should always place a protective shield around themselves and that starts with envisioning your feet on the ground with roots that go deep in the soul. There are several other techniques that are used to shield your body and mind. These things help put a barrier between our emotions and picking up the emotions from others to the extent that we are so weighed down we can’t function.
HG talks about the contagion’s shield in the video and how it can be broken through by energies(people) that appear to need our help.
They are dark, they cause shivers, they have a sadness that we want to remove or heal.
In the video my first thought was a starving bear stalking its prey.
Truly a remarkable video!
His detailed descriptions provoked an intensity that made me feel like I was that specific empath in that setting.
Sonya,
If you’re comfortable answering:
Are you a majority contagion and if yes, what percentage are you?
What are your cadres?
I’m very interested in majority contagion empaths. Everything HG shares about them keeps me very curious.
Hi Dani,
Sharing this information doesn’t bother me at all
I am
Contagion
Super
Codependent
Cadres::
Savior
Geyser
Magnet
I view contagion as a blessing and a curse.
Thank you, Sonya.
Do you have any specific examples of ways in which you frequently find being a majority contagion to be a curse? Can the same type of experience be something that is a blessing about it in another example?
e.g. You watch a documentary about a murder victim unsolved mystery and you feel the illness and grief of the family members who speak in that program. — Curse?
Your best friend’s parent dies suddenly of medical condition somewhat young…and you are able to help them through your intuitive understanding of what they need and what they are feeling.
I know that the above are not a perfect example.
Hi Dani,
I can’t reply to your questions regarding my view as a contagion being a blessing and a curse.
For me the “curse” is feeling other peoples emotions to the point of exhaustion. It becomes unbearable at times especially if it is extreme sadness I am picking up from someone.
Recent Example:
I was getting an infusion and the nurse who was taking care of me had an energy that was heavy. It felt like a huge weight was around her and it was weighing me down as well.
When I asked her if she was okay she said yes, that she was just tired. Later when she came in my room I told her I sensed a sadness around her. She got tears in her eyes and told me her 5yr old daughter had leukemia.
It took me several days to let go of her grief.
I can’t watch true crime stories, or movies where there is abuse or inhumane treatment of people or animals.
The blessing:
I can sense what someone needs when they are hurting.
I can usually tell when someone is lying and I can sense when someone is not a nice person.
Honestly I cant explain it very well. I think most schools of empaths can sense these things.
Your curiosity about things is endearing 💐
Thank you, Sonya.
Do you feel the good feelings as well as the bad?
Hello Dani:
What is your ED result? Why are your curious about contagians? H.G. never picked one of us as his IPSS. My first husband was very wealthy and diagnosed an antisocial during a child custody evaluation. The evaluator gave me 80% custody. The worst thing she said about me was that I was a “ mother bear.” Must be the matyr in me as I ended up representing myself against the top family lawyer in the OC or one of 3. He said he had never met anyone like me. I fought. I told him I could never be a lawyer that hurt children for money in response. End of. There was nothing short of murder ( and a friend and criminal defense attorney offered to hook me up.., I declined… of course.) that I would not have done for my children. No regrets except this 4 year custody battle cost a lot. Would love the money back;) He sued me for full custody… I imagined the coccaine, drugs, crimes etc… all a delusion. It all worked out well in the end, he was even a “ good” dad. No problems after. We stuck to the court order and never spoke. Not once. I am like that, if there’s something that stirs me, I will move mountains to correct an injustice. I have represented people pro bono if it burns my bonnet . So… my martyr cadre is majority then super, geyser and a 1% or less other. I can’t recall the other one as so minor. Maybe CoD? Maybe magnet? But next to nothing. Contagian was the strongest then standard as the next … thus, this is the moniker. H.G. guessed my contagion right away shortly during my first consultation before any ED test which was much much taken later. I had no idea what he meant at all at first. No, I did not speak of crystals, reiki, or auras with him but the ultra knows his empaths. I would guess he himself doesn’t need to look at test results. It’s eerie and on the phone! . I have written that I think our perceptions should not be ridiculed. I don’t see you doing any of that btw… but to all readers … it is our reality. I don’t see auras but I believe others do wholeheartedly as my life haunt is my dreams. Anyone close to me who knows me ends up taking them seriously or at least that it’s a part of me. My ex psychopath used to accuse me of being in love with death. He felt my dreams represented what death looked like. He didn’t dream so maybe he thought he would at death. ??? I don’t have nightmares but my best friends murder was the closest. I woke up screaming and it was freezing cold despite it being warm outside. I actually dropped to my knees and prayed to God to never let me dream like that again. I learned at 5 or younger that is “me “ but I thought everyone was the same. I have never met a true psychic or seen an aura but I don’t discount they exist. I was just different in some ways. I respect your curiosity especially if you are contagion and feel different in some sort of way and want to know. There are wonderful loving supportive people here who won’t judge you or downplay your real life experiences! I really look forward to HG series on what creates empaths. My best always!
Contagious,
You are amazing. I am very fascinated with your life in the legal arena. If I ever needed an attorney I would want you!!
What you said to Dani was beautiful.
Regardless of how we land on the empath school or cadre we are all empaths, that is a solid thread we all have. I am really interested in the Savior majority. I have that as a majority and I am less than thrilled with that part of myself. I believe every narcissistic trait I have stems from the savior in me. I’m sure many savior empaths have a better grip on it than I do and I can’t wait for HG’s upcoming empath creator series!
Hello Contagious–
I do not have written permission from Mr. Tudor to share my ED results, and I’m undecided about whether I want to obtain permission at this time.
I am curious by nature. At present, I have asked Mr. Tudor more than 800 questions. He’s answered a little over 70% of them. A number are in moderation, and a number he was unable to answer owing to being a busy man. I hope that he finds the majority of them interesting. His answers are always a joy to read, particularly when it’s one of his Ask All Day Parties on Narcsite.
There are multiple reasons for my interest in contagion empaths. Some personal to my experiences and others about a former friend whose behaviour has frequently disturbed me. This relationship is complicated and has repeatedly been very problematic. I don’t want to detail more publicly or extensively than I recently did on the Questioning Me thread at this time. (https://narcsite.com/2015/09/29/questioning-me/comment-page-16/#comment-453206) Many other comments and questions, from me are scattered around NarcSite like breadcrumbs containing my observations over a decade and a half of observing this person’s behaviour. — I will say, as I have said to Jordy, over on the “What the Contagion Empath Does” thread…I was looking for HG’s type of information because of the way I felt periodically in regard to this relationship (the others were different relationships). Prince Harry is the reason that I found it.
HG said he’d never had a majority contagion as an IPPS, not IPSS…quite different I think.
I think that HG knew what the results of my ED would be before I sent it as well (and I had only had written communication with him prior). What amazed me was how prompt he was in getting the results back. I was thrilled when I got back from errands and saw it waiting in my email inbox. I had expected a bit more of a wait, like overnight. He says it can take 3 days or so.
Sonya: thank you and as I tell my friends, “consider it done.” I am your free attorney;) with pleasure! My honor!
Dani:
I read your reference. You keep your ED private, that’s your right:) I had nowhere to respond to your reply but I had to reply. How awful to have had a friend with such problems. My friend has an autistic child who has been in and out of hospitals, cutting, suicide threats, suicide attempts or risky attention seeking, violence to her mother and property. She is my beautiful mixed up god child. We bonded over fairies as a child. They are real I said and we would search through the fields and talk. She was such a sweet child and still is. I vicariously lived through the YEARS of hell my best friend went through and this child. The worst is over I think. My friend is a normal I think who pulled out all the stops and never hesitated to call the police, try endless medications, go to therapy and it has taken a huge toll on her health. She stubbornly won’t go to support groups as she “doesn’t like them. “ End of. Brick wall. She relies on anxiety meds, me and her mother mostly. And… herself. She is strong but suffers PTSD in my opinion. I wonder if similar impact and if you got any help yourself. You went through hell as did your friend’s poor mother. I am sorry that she might be a mid range narc. How awful after 10 years of friendship. My guess is you took a test with HG. We are human. We suffer pain. We sometimes choose friends who hurt us. I just hope you have other loved ones to support you! I always told my children each day before school “ Ask a good question! “ Each day. Questions are just important as the answers.” I would ring out of the car … I don’t know where that advice came from … not my mother… but my mother rocks at good advice BUT a curious mind is so important as you well know. What would mankind do without it? And we are truth seekers…I also want to thank you for validating us wee contagians ( as a minority group I use the term “ wee”). So often we are referred to as the “ fruit and nuts” ( exaggeration and my term) and just because we experience life a bit different… and doesn’t everyone?… doesn’t mean our perception or identity is any less real than anyone else’s… if you are a secret contagion… come long for the magic carpet ride! Hugs! X
Hello Contagious,
I read your reference. You keep your ED private, that’s your right:) I had nowhere to respond to your reply but I had to reply. How awful to have had a friend with such problems.
“My friend has an autistic child who has been in and out of hospitals, cutting, suicide threats, suicide attempts or risky attention seeking, violence to her mother and property.” — I remember reading about your friend’s daughter before. I think you said she was diagnosed later. It’s difficult to feel that there is something different about yourself, see that you can’t keep up with your peers (on a social level), be in an unfriendly environment (lights too bright/noise too loud/too smelly {perfumes/colognes}) and not know why no one else gets it. Everyone else seems able to handle it…I’m glad that your friend’s daughter is out of the roughest waters. I’m glad it sounds like they’re both doing better now.
I haven’t done a narc detector for any of my most problematic relationships (a few family members and that friend (I have no contact (except occasionally thinking–so not perfect no contact) with that friend (no calls/texts/emails/visits/etc since Sep. 2022). It’s best for me. I have no doubt of it. It keeps me from being upset about the lies and such in the moment.
I have taken the Empath Detector. I am not a narcissist! I drove myself quite nuts with the ED. It took me months. I had a number (higher than what any others had described that I had seen) that I felt (and feel) I could answer with either of two answers (sometimes 3) and there would be no dishonesty. I knew that I was failing at directions (very simple directions), so I would leave it be for a little while, go back and obsess over the answers again. I wanted to be completely honest, but I also knew it was critical to follow directions. I felt like I couldn’t do one without failing at the other. I maintain my opinion that there may be great malleability in empaths…and I’ve mused about that elsewhere. I think I know what directions the results would take for me with the changes. I know HG says that it would all even out…and that’s incredible to me. I was worried that I was the problem as well, (very common for empaths), and I know that it slowed me down. I was also worried that what I most identified with would be pure coincidence, and that would have been very distressing.
“BUT a curious mind is so important as you well know. What would mankind do without it?” — AGREED!
“And we are truth seekers…I also want to thank you for validating us wee contagians ( as a minority group I use the term “ wee”).” — Rarest school of the empaths (for majority)…just like HG is the rarest narcissist…just the one Ultra.
“So often we are referred to as the “ fruit and nuts” ( exaggeration and my term) and just because we experience life a bit different… and doesn’t everyone?… doesn’t mean our perception or identity is any less real than anyone else’s…” — I’m glad I haven’t encountered anyone who says disparaging things about contagions. I feel like I see those with contagion as a non-majority school more frequently wanting to connect to it more strongly than I see people saying, “I’m glad I don’t have that.” And even those who are glad not to have the contagion school and say that…I don’t think that’s unkind. It’s just an opinion/feeling based on their understanding. Besides, HG said he considered calling contagions “true empaths.” He only rejected it because he thought it would generate misunderstandings about the other empaths…the majority of empaths (who are not contagions).
Hello Sonya, thank you for your kind words and for sharing of how you experience this school ✧♡✧…The Empath Series are one of my absolute favorites along with some other Series!!! Indeed, the images/colors, especially The Contagion are incredibly apt… Yes!! colors contain/represent energies of both, the negative and positive – just to name a few in relation to The Contagion: Red – pulsates with life – an energy of reaching out into the world, discovering the beginning of things, the bravery of a child who takes its first steps undoubtedly – the build up of the fiery and unstoppable force. Simultaneously it’s the energy of disintegration and endings, creating space for the new… If out of balance – it becomes the energy which corrupts the will, becomes suppressive…… Black – the energy of retreat into „the inside“, to reconsider, grounding earthly power of exceptional endurance, overcoming obstacles, the power of titans when „less is more“… If out of balance – it becomes the energy of conservation, rigidity, death drive……. White – the light of the moon – the energy of feelings which are like water – fluid and floating intuition, security and protection… If out of balance – escapism from reality, overprotection based on fear, inability of letting go……
The figure in the image – sensing, taking in and reaching out – instinctively or knowingly draws the very much needed support from nature..… Contagions can be extremely vulnerable and need extra protection they are sometimes not aware of how to assemble, especially if they are caught up in an environment which prevents their contact with nature.
„His detailed descriptions provoked an intensity that made me feel like I was that specific empath in that setting.“ ……. HG’s presence is so distinctively rooted (mental capacity, awareness) which makes his energy pierce through the physical limitations where on the other end – your heightened attunes of receiving such a signal through sound/voice frequency (energy) create a match of an ultra-impact if you have that contagion aspect, school……It can have a positive or negative impact. As usual, it depends on the shields and in what kind of mode they’re on, and your energy levels……☽night
Jordyquin,
Yes! The energies and frequencies are critical for what mode of shield. My vibrational level also impacts the strength of the shield I use. I have chronic illness so I run at a really low vibration. I play music, dance and use my singing bowl everyday to raise my vibrations for the day.
I work with my crystals and soak up moon energy as often as I can. Do you do those things?
Thank you for your response. I can talk about this all day
Jordyguin : how do you know all of this? I don’t know energies or auras or colors. I describe myself as just immediately knowing what people feel. Good and bad. I just do. No auras. No colors. It’s like seeing a chair. It’s yellow, it’s square. Seeing a person. She is a strong and an athlete who cannot express her emotions but she just suffered a great loss , an unfathomable loss and she needs a friend. She won’t cry. She can barely tell you. Nudge her gently. Be open and calm. She needs a hug. She needs love. She wants to share. She stays close but far. Her eyes speak of great pain. ( and she lost a son that day… how did I know?) It’s just like that. Tacit. You see a pizza. It has thin crust. It has cheese and basil. It’s just obvious to me but I learned much later that I read differently. I respond appropriately. I meet a man. I see him. He is opposing counsel. His suit is light blue. It’s tailored. He is very fit. He is handsome. He is I think Armenian or Russian. He is masculine. He looks at me. My blood suddenly runs cold. I feel panic. I feel almost raped in that stare. He hasn’t said a word. What’s wrong with you? You have been a lawyer for 30 years! He never takes his eyes off me. You can barely look at him. You object to his questions. He moves behind you. Your spine tingles like a car. What’s with this man? You feel this darkness, a chasm, evil, but mostly danger. You do your job. You leave each day unscathed and shower once home. Relieved to be rid of him. You hug your dog. You walk in nature. You balance you self for the next day. You file motions. He files 20. You don’t understand why this case not so big warrants this attack but you respond as your client needs you. You doubt yourself but you reach deep. You look him up. He is a criminal defense attorney for the mob. You breathe in deep. He harasses your witness. You report him. He calls you and whispers you should not have done that. You are now steel. You face him but want to run far away. The case settles and you pray and pray and party to never see this man again. You wake up weeks later, there are Mexican beers and cigarettes all over your kitchen. A dead rat on your porch. Your children are asleep but you know it was him. Telling you, you can’t escape me. You never even look him up after. You pray never to see him again. You felt that impenetrable cold that abyss from day one. One glance. You knew. And it was hell this case. Never again. You just know. Yes, I was curious. I met his eyes. When I did, I felt this arrogance like who do you think you are, you little rabbit. But I reached deep and got the case settled, this is why the message later. HG made me leap out of my chair when I saw the series on contagion meets darkness. It’s so specific and right. Made me awed. How could he know what INNER life I lived. Eerie really. This lawyer had to have the last word with his mob visit. .
My father said “ we .” meaning our ancestors were affected by the moon. I am a second generation Frieslander but myDNA is Scandinavian and some English too. How are people affected by the moon? I mean it’s beautiful but ?
I get the nature component. I must live by an ocean or I feel suffocated. Is that genetic from North Sea generations? It restores me no matter what. I chose to look at it everyday from age 19. No coincidence … and then there is nature. I must garden no matter how little space. Now I have a native California garden on a slope the HOA let me design and everyone loves it especially humming birds, monarchs, butterflies, squirrels and rabbits even lizards and California toads. I live on acres of park by the sea and nature is my solace. I don’t think that’s abnormal. Most people love nature. I need it. I have never lived without a pet. I have a trial starting and 6 dogs as my frenchies have 4 puppies. Animals and small children flock to me. I am really good with young children and love their company. I paint and write ( when I can for small children). I have very unusual dreams. Lucid and almost daily. I have this Wiccan who wants me to learn how to control them but I haven’t taken the class or had time to read as I am a very very busy lawyer. I need a vacation badly and it’s hard to keep my energy up. Nature. Love. Children. Animals sustain me more than food and I have a fire every night. But your descriptions were both dead on and very mysterious. You know more than me. I guess I am a meat and potatoe contagion. No auras. No seeing colors. Well sometimes I do if I look and try but I feel I am a fake. Do you have any idea why we are the way we are? Forever I have looked for answers to my crazy dreams? Any tidbit of knowledge would be immensely appreciated.
Yours TRULY, C
Contagious, you’re such a delight! What I love about you so much is – you breach contagion’s sensitivity to the frontline of the battlefield. This is rather rare. The professional field you’re active in — seeing colors/energies would not be practical standing in court, you’d be carried away by it, so don’t worry about that. You are perfectly designed. There is no such thing as „meat and potato contagion“ lol. How do I say this, there is no sublime preference over how you perceive. Look at the perfection which surrounds you! You want to perceive the beauty in your daily life as it presents itself. This is the same energy, but in different clothing. Reserve colors and energies for the dream space, for now… Moon is everything! But where do I begin??…Bathe in its light!…
Mexican beers and cigarettes all over your kitchen and a dead rat on your porch — they seem to be more scared of you, than you should be of them. That should give you an idea of why we are the way we are. They don’t know what to do with us, embrace us or scrunch us. Confuses them.
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Dear Sonya, yes, I love doing the things you mentioned! Dance, music, arts… But most of the time I’m outdoors, so ideally my life is designed around that.
Crystals – coming from inside the earth (rather should stay there) – they have a function of catching and redirecting outbursts of energies from the earth’s surface (for instance natural disaster or war situations etc.) People unknowingly use all kinds of crystals whilst this can be very intense and interfere in mood and sleep/dreaming. Should you notice some of this, you can experiment by moving the crystal outside your room/house and see if there would be a difference. Some crystals might be positively charged, but you’d need to know for sure. So again you can experiment by moving it away and see if something changes.
Contagious–
Now, you listen here…we’ll have no talk of meat and taters contagions! HG says in the videos that it is only the higher percentages that see them, and even then, not all contagions see auras or colors. I don’t know if there is a reason why some majority contagions can or can’t see auras. Hopefully, HG will cover a bit more information about this in time. *gives HG a look of hope, eyes shining with admiration*
Regarding the moon: I can tell you from years working with children that, yes, children (younger children in particular) do tend to get more excitable and intense around the time of the full moon. Teachers tell the same tale of the children and the full moon. I don’t know that all children are affected in the same way by it, and I don’t know why. I think that those that are more strongly affected and they can whip the other munchkins into a frenzy.
How old are the puppies? I love puppies!
Contagious,
Don’t feel bad, I don’t see auras or colors either. Xx I do have lucid dreams, some are forwarnings of things to come. I feel connected to crystals, some of them calm me. Gardening makes me feel both alive and at peace…the moon..I do feel more energetic with the changes of the moon, I feel I can breathe more when the moon is full…I live by the water and I feel more at home by the water….when I lived in Colorado, I missed the ocean and lakes. I love long showers, they revive my energy and help free my mind of worry. Walks by the river are the best, feel so welcomed and part of everything…so refreshing and life giving. I often enjoy sitting on the riverbank and listening to the water, during warmer weather, softly hitting the rocks…nothing like that sound. Xx
Contagious, one of the optional subjects, I chose at university, was cosmogenesis.
We discussed many interesting scientific studies on the influence of the moon on the human body, animal body, plant, life on earth. The argument was often raised, that humans consist of approximately 60% water. Therefore, the moon affects humans similarly to influence on the water tides.
We are aroused during the full moon, especially psychopaths. Statistically, most crimes and rapes occur during the full moon.
I’m writing this at 4 a.m., even though I get up for work in an hour, and the moon just before the full moon illuminates my face through roof windows. Ominous – he he he.
Just kidding, but yes, I feel the phases of the moon to a very great extent. I definitely have the best rest during the new moon.
Just to say Contagious, that I identify with nearly everything you wrote in this comment. I pick up on things in the same way you described and sometimes see light (but not colours) around people. Plus lots of dreams, some lucid. Some premonitions. Some unusual experiences. It’s only in the just five years (coinciding with learning about narcissism) that I’m learning to trust my intuitions properly. I used to doubt myself straight away. Now I’m realising what it is and am learning…
Plus also what HG said about others (narcs and nons) not understanding contagions resonated (if I’m one). I always identified with the HSP label. A lot of people have said they don’t understand me though I feel straightforward and transparent. I know I see things quite differently to a lot of other people though.
I feel positive and negative emotions about the same from what I can tell. I can definitely easily “carried away” with others happy emotions as well as negative. I also love animals and art and creativity. 💕
As mentioned elsewhere I’m learning to “observe, not absorb” here and elsewhere.
Jordy–
I don’t think that the colors would have a universal meaning to all contagion empaths. I think every culture will contain contagion empaths as per HG’s classifications. Different cultures have different feelings associated with different colors. Wedding dresses in China are red (good luck) and white (purity) in the United States. White in China is worn to funerals. In Scottish Gaelic, grass is “gorm,” blue. Yes, there is a word for green, but it is not commonly used for grass. So even how different shades of color are named vary across different cultures on the same island.
Blues and greens in particular are this way. I understand that Russian distinguishes between dark blues (Prussian/Navy/Royal) and light blues (sky blue/azure/aqua) and that native Russian speakers are quicker than native English speakers to distinguish between (as an English speaker would see it) differing shades of blue. In Chinese, powder red, is a shade of red…European languages would probably just call this…pink. I understand that the Dani language in New Guinea only distinguishes two colors…something is mili for “cool” colors such as green, blue, black and mola for red, yellow, white.
It makes more sense to me to that the interpretation of aura and colors contained within the aura would change based on the empath’s culture/language/etc as opposed to be entirely universal.
Dani, you confused what I wrote about. Mr. Tudor’s classification and description of the contagion (how I feel/experience and understand) is on point with everything!! Nowhere near was I giving a universal meaning of colours based on culture. It contained no cultural reference at all. It refers to feelings and states which can be felt energetically and translated as closely as possible into language, which is a complicated act on its own to get in tune with. What I know to be universal however, is that certain colors in certain auras (collectively) will be perceived as the same (with the same taste/sound of either high or low vibration, inviting or rebarbative, light or heavy etc.) no matter what a cultural meaning will be associated with the color (positive or negative).
Cultural meaning can be diverse and a beautiful intellectual endeavor and even contain energetic facts in interpretation. e.g. white – either the color of celebration or grief – the cultural meaning can differ. Energy and frequency is not culturally or ethnicity based. It’s not “I feel how I like; how I want, how I was taught to interpret and adjust my feeling to that interpretation” Bunch of contagions (from across the world) put in one room will see the same color in an aura and receive the same information about it. Translating it similarly.
Apologies, Jordy. I did misunderstand…though I don’t know that I agree with you that “Bunch of contagions (from across the world) put in one room will see the same color in an aura and receive the same information about it. Translating it similarly.” — I think it would translate similarly.
I think the experience an individual may have can differ…particularly when it comes to energy reading/auras. Or maybe experiences of people I know are highly atypical. I don’t know. I haven’t had the opportunity to be in a room with a number of people who are aura readers to gather all the relevant data or determine if there are narcissist fakers among the group. (Gotta have HG for weeding out the narcs)
Dani: Very interesting point! I recall Eskimos having 100s of words for snow! Makes sense! I wonder why HG sees red auras with empaths… thoughts? I had a chakra done with crystals once and as the woman put the crystals over me so many colors ! The same happened with Reiki but I saw flames at one point. My go to colors is always twilight for some reason and white. I think if someone saw auras it might be individually based but some say the colors have universal meaning. I don’t see auras. I do see glows. White glows around people and animals that move but that could be nothing. ? Or maybe I am a colorblind aura seer lol
Oh and Dani! My 5 year old Frenchie Inspector Clouseau who is a blue brindle got my 1.5 year old Frenchie Lulu preggers who is an Isabella with yellow eyes. They have 4 puppies ( the runt died sadly at day one despite my efforts) . There is Jean Jacques, Baptiste, Louis and Amelie. They are almost 2 months and adorable. My home is joy and bliss and FULL. For those readers: 1. Frenchies do not need to be artificially inseminated 2. Frenchies can give natural birth. Online is false. Vet educated me. There are risks but not true that these reasons for the Frenchie price are an absolute. Finally this was a one of a kind one time experience. Exhausting but exciting like having children. I had no training but I did keep vets on hand at the birth. For anyone interested: pregnancy for dogs is only 2 months! I didn’t know if she got Christmas fat or pregnant so I had an ultrasound done. They can fake pregnancy too! I was told by the vet 2 heartbeats maybe 3, there were 5! I was also asked if I was certain if Clouseau was the father. This panicked me as believe me good frenchies are easy to sell. I had a line at day 2. When the mom chooses a spot, you know. She pants. But I though lt she pants, Aha here they come! They can pant 2-72 hours! Ugh! I was up all night! 1/1/24! When contractions start, it’s 1- 6 hours before birth. The first one came in 1 hour. The minute his little head popped out in a sack , it was Clouseau’s face! I knew then no beagle or chihuahua lol had jumped in! The mother eats the sac. But you might have to help take it off so they can breathe quick. Then I was panicked. There are others! What if stuck or in breach! The second pup must come in 2 hours or you must rush to emergency. Jean Jacques ( stranglers) was first then Baptiste came an hour later. Louis and Amelie quickly followed then this poor little runt that wouldn’t eat. Barely moved and Lulu kept moving it away from the others. I put it back. She would move it and so on. I was terribly worried after the little female runt died that the rest would follow ! The puppies at birth are as cold as fish. You know the mother is done as her blood sac follows. ( she bleeds a bit up to 2 months after) They don’t self regulate heat at first so you must keep the room warm at 85 degrees. They nurse every 2-4 hours and it’s your job to monitor for 2-3 weeks. I was so tired. It’s like having a baby. Baby boot camp again! Lots of washing rugs, mats, blankets…and when older like babies they eat, sleep a lot and poop. But then they walk like tiny elephants. Then they run, bite with tiny nail like teeth and are so loving and curious and into everything. My job was tough as Lulu was a good mom but a teenage mom she wanted to sleep with me and take her walks and although loving it was clear she wanted her life back. So I had to sleep downstairs. Fun fact: dads know they are theirs by scent. When born, until they walk, Clouseau was terrified of them. He would stay near but if you showed him one then his eyes would get as big as saucers and he would run! Meanwhile mom did all the work….Now he plays with them, licks them and occasionally growls, ruffs if they try to bite him or steal his food, lol They are all healthy and playful with little round tummies, and gone by the end of March. I am keeping Jean Jacques but two go to neighbors and one to my best friend. All sold at a discount to the best of homes. I am not a breeder and will fix my pets after. Happiness is a puppy! Two are blue with blue eyes. The first born looks like dad but not a brindle. Two look just like mom. It was a once in a lifetime experience! They follow you like ducks. My son leaves for the marine base at 4:30 am and he loves them but says it’s hard to tiptoe around in military boats and they go right by your feet! Lol
Dani, all good, no problem and don’t need to apologise. I’m on board with you regardless of the topic when the truthseeker activates. Seeking for a better explanation, presenting views and the correct (subjective and/or objective) stance in some cases… If we look at the pre-setting of just perception in some individuals – there is no training or experience needed because they will just perceive hella lot of things which are out of the ordinary, starting from their childhood, unable to put it in words and explain. Or when they are trying to talk about it, they may receive “You’re imagining things and it’s not real”, the child may compartmentalise this ability and shut the gates, or just keep quiet about it. (Other parents may react differently with the potential of LOCE also.) Some individuals might perceive less or nothing in childhood but later on hit the jackpot by accident, or through probing various practices which are out there for centuries and are used by all kinds of esoteric groups, secret societies/studies, cults, religions, shamans and scientists with different backgrounds and intentions.(!!!No drugs, kids!!!) It’s nothing new if one is into this stuff and especially in our time – plenty of it all available to test out and what it can do for you, should the necessity clearly press and drive you into this direction. As long as the necessity is not there – no practical use in it to dive deep intellectually (in my opinion). Though philosophers might do it, it’s their job after all. And some are really good at it and it’s inspiring.
My personal preference — nature gives you everything you need. It is the mightiest and yet a gentle source which must be understood and accessed, with humility and purest affection, or with the beauty of cognition, it doesn’t matter. Nature gives back – in all areas, without conning.
The knowledge given here should prevail, simply because we ended up here – thus there was a pressing necessity for „you“ to get here first and foremost. It’s more important to recognise and know the narcissist because there are plenty of them in those alternative circles who will do harm, unknowingly or purposefully. Not all alternative circles are nonsense either. They can contain nonsense, just as with teachings on narcissism which can contain BS if we compare/experience the accuracy or the absence of it.
Narcissists might as well be highly perceptive and skilled out of the ordinary and don’t need to fake it. Some will fake it, but what if some don’t. Do I need to mention Sauron or the Emperor using the force – you know what I mean? These are all myth and legend based characters. But what are myths and legends? Just fantasy? Ahhh. Soothing.
(Want to still get it accurate. lol. Re seeing a certain color “on a person”. It is seen because the signature of a person, who is „looked“ at, has this color, for some reason, not because the receptor freely interprets it to be this color, and it is a bit difficult to explain and will probably end in circles trying to do it. Some might not see color but hear sound and so on. Some get a feeling or emotion, or instant knowing, or a mental picture, or a word, or a sentence. Perception is complex. And none of its avenues are better than the other – this is the most crucial point in all of this. It’s important what is taught on this platform to use in all of the settings we might find ourselves in. )
Contagious–
I loved learning about your Frenchies…so cute! Especially how Inspector Clouseau was afraid of the puppies…but now he plays with them! I’m glad that all the puppies are going to good, loving homes! 6 dogs would be a lot for anyone to handle.
It is interesting that HG has said of empaths that they have a red glow around them. I don’t know if he speaks of that being a literal glow or a metaphor used to help people understand. For me, having heard the skeptical way HG views those types of things, I interpreted it more as a metaphor. I believe he can tell empaths apart immediately from the narcissists, narcissistic people, and normals the moment he walks into a room. He’s said that there are a number of ways to tell, body language and the way they speak. I also recall him saying that there is a great deal of knowing an empath on sight for him that occurs subconsciously. So I figured the “glow” is not literally something he sees in the way that an aura seer I saw on TV once described seeing auras and found people behind a wall approximately the height of the person by seeing their aura. I hope that if HG does see a literal glow he corrects me on my interpretation.
Hey Dani: Inspector Clouseau says “ salut!” lol I distinctly recall H.G. saying he sees red auras around empaths. But you could be right. He might have been using it as a description. It is very un-H.G. Then again…
1. Nikola Tesla: The renowned inventor and electrical engineer, Nikola Tesla, reportedly experienced vivid visualizations and intense flashes of light, which he attributed to paranormal phenomena.
2. Albert Einstein: Although primarily known for his scientific contributions, Albert Einstein often discussed his sense of awe and wonder at the mysteries of the universe, expressing a belief in a cosmic religious feeling and a sense of the mystical.
3. Carl Jung: The Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Carl Jung, explored the intersection of spirituality and psychology. He delved into the concept of the collective unconscious and the archetypes, which are often associated with mystical and transcendent experiences.
4. Isaac Newton: The acclaimed physicist, mathematician, and astronomer, Isaac Newton, was deeply interested in alchemy, theology, and mysticism. He wrote extensively on these subjects, showcasing his engagement with mystical and spiritual matters.
These individuals, known for their exceptional intellect, have shared their experiences and perspectives on the mystical, providing intriguing insights into the intersection of high IQ and mystical experiences.
So who knows? H.G.?
Jordyguin:
You are spot on! Did you derive this from your own personal experiences?
I could relate 100%.
Black: the energy to retreat, to go inside. That’s exactly what I do. I made my home my sanctuary and I tend to stay there or go to the beach as the ocean restores or a walk but withdraw. “ where less is more.” Yup. Rejuvenation needed. And we think of the earth as grounding but the ocean does more for me. I actually need it.
White- the light of the moon- my father said our ancestors ( who were North Sea Frisian) were governed by it. The moon affects tides of the ocean interestingly. So intuition and sometimes emotion is mercurial and… fluid.
And wow: overprotection. That’s what my child custody evaluator said about me during a year evaluation where every test was taken of both of us… but … she diagnosed him as an snti-social… as I said to her: Ted Bundy? Wonder why overprotective? She told me not all antisocials are blood thirsty and said “ criminals can be good fathers. Let her be daddy’s girl.. she will get all the stability and nurture she needs from you. It only takes one. It can be a grandmother, a teacher, a sister, she has you.” And now that my daughter is beyond my wildest dreams a success, she was right. My ex was a “ good “ father. He showed up. He paid an unfair amount of support but he paid each month. We had no drama raising her 5-18. We never once spoke lol! Seriously. Not once. We didn’t interfere in each others relationships, she knew he hated me. lol I always told her that it didn’t matter what her father felt about me or me him but what her relationship was with him. I told her that her father loved her ( per HG not possible but I would never say that). Anyway, balance was threatened and I became overprotective. I do that. I am a mother bear. My one client calls me his little bulldog. Charming but when you work in construction even as a lawyer you get used to orders and being called “ honey or “ babe” at least in the good old USA. My British husband was appalled at that and said that would never happened in the UK.
I digress… never letting go. One of my worst flaws. I am driven by every single relationship or job “ ending on a positive.” ( btw very hard with my ex LMN as he loves ending everything in a negative.) and I have friends from age 5 on, the vast majority of my exes are friends and this bugs every partner I have had. I remain loving to my former step children. We say I love you and they were here at Christmas, the in-laws etc… I don’t automatically love someone and make them treasures in my toolshed of life. I am discriminate. But once there, in my heart, it takes a crow bar to let you out … or let go. I can go from in love to just love or a close friend but time and distance we don’t talk as much, but they remain there. I have lost one friend of 20 years and I would still be open to her but wary. But she wants to control me. She put “ requirements” up to friendship that made no sense other than control. That’s not friendship. I am not controllable, another theme in my life and I wonder if it links to that fluidity you address.
The traits good and bad resonated with me.
Thank you!
X
This is what I associated with the colors in relation to the contagion image, yes:)) Colors really do something to us. Allison nailed it, I think, with her ability to even taste colors (wow!). There is literature of course on colours and art and I still need to read Goethe’s Theory of Colours, to find out more about it. Have you noticed for instance that even neon colors in nature, let’s say on parrots, are in absolute harmony, yet if a human is sometimes wearing neon clothing it’s absolutely off. There is a dissonance of this person wearing certain colors and the color gets a completely different vibe. As if the person makes the color radiate differently. Another person can wear it and will make the color pleasant again. The interplay of energy-vibration-color♡
I must add that I LOVE meeting other contagions here. It’s rare in my day to day life. I spot empaths a mile away but I am trying to think outside of this blog who just “ gets it” and I can’t think of anyone outside my Aunts and they were older and now deceased who probably wouldn’t say anything overt.
And whoever said that I wouldn’t share this with clients! Was right!!! Especially my rich male construction business male clients… all but 1-2 are women- Can you imagine me telling this manly GENERAL contractor ( there’s a reason they are called G) that runs a 96 million dollar tunnel project … well in my dream…or I just know what the judge is feeling… or ? LOL). Little do they know… how I solve their cases….. I would have no clients if I was open. It took a lot to share my reality here. I recall going to this library event years ago who was an author about a book of dreams. There were about 60? In attendance. I was called on to share my lucid dreaming as “lucid “came up. The speaker asked the audience to raise their hands if people’s dreams were like mine. No one raised their hand and everyone just stared at me like I was an extraterrestrial! And that was at a group that was about the damn subject! So nooooooo what I reveal here is rare outside those who are VERY close to me and accept me.
A funny story: I once freaked my ex N out on morning we awoke and there was nothing going on. I said I had a dream where my murdered friend appeared and warned me you were going to leave without telling me. We weren’t fighting but he had bought a plane ticket as he wanted to see this cricket event and UK and planned to go and skip out on bills, me and his boss…. He was unhinged. And then I realized she was right. Then we had a row.
Now dreams solve problems. It’s one of the reasons scientists say they exist. Paul McCartney wrote Let It Be from a dream he had about the Beatles breaking up. His dead mother’s advice in a dream.I say “ everyone” but I don’t know really. What’s interesting is narcs and psychopaths. My ex antisocial said he never dreamed. My ex N said he occasionally had nightmares of spiders crawling on him. Scientists find lucid dreamers have different neurotransmitters in their prefrontal cortex and meta-awareness. And psychopaths are brain wired differently than everyone else in the prefrontal cortex. I asked H.G. if he dreamed. He said “ yes” but would go no further.
I jokingly wonder if I could detect a narc or psychopath up front by asking on a first date… “ so what did you dream last night?” I would ask first so no mirroring could be applied… ha!
But as to psychopaths H.G. has just scratched the surface of his knowledge on the subject and I am eager for more;)
Contagious!!! I must pay attention to what I share and write to you. lol. I forgot about exceptions and who knows, you might be one of them. In a good way of course, but still, you’re so open, what if you cross the zebra and suddenly disappear lol!! Usually people associate dreamers with aetherial individuals who must levitate above the ground, little do they know that it can as well be very much the down to earth one with the wildest experiences and predispositions. And you are proof to that in my opinion, based on what comes through and what you write and you have tons of energy. It’s unrelated to what we actually learn here, but I hope this information is okay to share and will reassure you.
As for me, I had a predisposition for seeing things, until ca. 10 years old and it became burdensome when it spiked up at some point around 9-10. I couldn’t sleep properly anymore. Vivid moving fluctuations would appear with my eyes closed or open. I couldn’t fall asleep to begin with and was very tired and would ask mom to do something to make it go away. She would reply, „It will go away, don’t worry, count sheep.“ I wished so much for it to go away and finally ’the gates’ closed in the visual department. Other things came in place, scary invisible things I could now feel, my dog would perceive and bark at, or become fearful and hide, eyes fixed on something in the air… As for dreaming. For instance, I couldn’t differentiate between waking and dreaming. For me it was the same real world when I went to sleep as when I was awake.
After ’the gates’ closed, life became normal and dreams became clouded and unrealistic with occasional lucid dream of clear joyful nature. I began to look for answers and wanted to reopen and learn to manage ’the gates’ as I became older. Visited seminars, learned some techniques; breathing, body movements, gazing/concentration. I met individuals who explained things to me and gave me some guidance and advice. I must either want to practice these techniques (which I currently don’t want to do) or spend time in nature and work with nature, gardening, as it gives energy in all areas for me, which impacts on dreams as well. Sometimes there will be long periods of no dreaming for months and then a week, on repeat, really good awareness in dreams. So I don’t even know if any of the learned techniques are ultimately necessary at all and nature connection solves it all out harmoniously. Though active breathing techniques are very good actually anyway for relaxation. Btw. there is absolutely no need for any substances. I was never interested in those and the people I met confirmed this. The emphasis is always on sobriety and control with all these things. The goal is not to get lost, but to navigate purposefully.
The dreaming culture existed all across the globe and played a big role in ancient times. Something changed in the world… I understand when people are sceptical of all of this. It’s sensible to be skeptical of what you don’t experience personally and can’t compare or recognise. Also, it’s not everyone’s thing and it’s okay. And I tell you, I have no idea if it has to do with the contagion empath and if other empaths might be as well into these topics. I know people who have narc vibes and apparently they have lucid dreams. I’m not a polygraph even if some people are obvious to me, but some aren’t. HG’s explanation of the contagion is focused on the feelings, the emotional aspect and what comes with it. What you add to the picture are your personal experiences not all contagions will have or would want to have in fact. So perhaps it doesn’t determine a contagion ultimately, but you may still find similarities in some of those with the contagion percentages. Hugs!!
„I asked H.G. if he dreamed. He said “ yes” but would go no further.“
There are options.
Dreaming:
a) to have a vision, a goal, a wish, a fantasy
b) intending an outcome and working on its realisation
c) idealisation of someone and the circumstances OR devaluation, deglamorization of someone and the circumstances
d) minimisation or exaggeration of reality, of oneself, of others, of the circumstances
e) creation of own reality
f) going to sleep and upon awakening having a memory of something which took place in the mind(?) as one was asleep
g) seeing on a broader scale, others can’t experience in the same way (vision department), which may also receive a designation of dreaming
h) …
I do not dream when I sleep.
The concept of a dream, is one which I see as a goal as I regard dreams as unlikely to occur.
Hi H.G.: I got it wrong. thank you. Like my Antisocial husband, you don’t dream …or recall them. He needed very little sleep. I know many high achievers also get little sleep.
Some famous people who were known for not sleeping much include:
1. Leonardo da Vinci – Italian polymath, known for his creative output and unconventional sleep patterns. He allegedly took 20 minute naps every 4 hours.
2. Nikola Tesla – Serbian-American inventor and electrical engineer, who reportedly only slept for about two hours per day.
3. Marissa Mayer – Former CEO of Yahoo, known for working long hours and managing with very little sleep.
4. Winston Churchill – British statesman and Prime Minister, who often worked through the night and took short naps during the day.
5. Elon Musk – CEO of SpaceX and Tesla, has stated that he typically works 80 to 100 hours per week, leaving little time for sleep.
Am I right? Do you sleep about 4-5 hours a night not really needing much?
Me… I need at least 8 hours or I suffer. My mother said even as a child, “ I needed my sleep.”
Dreaming, sleep patterns may mean nothing but I wonder if there are links … like psychopaths dream differently which would make sense…I have read up on it… some have violent fantasy dreams… but maybe …psychopaths not at all?
Hi Jordyguin:
When at 10….You might not have woken up from a lucid dream. This is a risk that I have read about when people get into dream manipulations. It can just happen too.
Here is where this entire thread ties into HG’s works…
1. H.G. says Contagions read other people to make decisions. The medial prefrontal cortex is where cognitive empathy comes from … interestingly it’s also what’s responsible for monitoring internal states while dreaming
2. OxyContin and dopamine are hormones involved in empathy. These hormones are also the basis for vivid dreams and reward processing and promote creativity and novelty;
3. Mirror neurons are part of empathy, they also process social cues when asleep
4. The limbic system and amygdala is involved in emotional regulation and empathy. With dreams it’s involved with the same and also memory processing.
Now psychopaths have a different prefrontal cortex with less “gray matter” this affects their moral reasoning, decision making and impulsiveness. The lack of fear etc…Same with the limbic system. It’s different.
So science shows empathy and psychopathy have different brains. Empathy has the same regions of the brain and hormones that impact dreams. Could be a coincidence…
Also synthesthia is controlled by the prefrontal cortex too and although auras are not scientifically supported this seeing of colors comes from this region.
H.G. says a small very rare group of contagions see auras.
I didn’t hear this applies to other classifications.
In short, H.G. work and his classifications have scientific support. I am certain he knows this.
My contention is that lucid dreamers ( metacognition) falls in the contagion group. Half the population will experience a lucid dream in their life. Only 5% have it daily or weekly. The reason I say this is I rarely meet anyone like this and yet several here in the contagion group exist. Voila! I don’t know if I am on to something… it could be coincidence. Maybe I am a person who coincidentally has coincidences lol There is no known knowledge of what causes metacognition in dreams. Just again it is in the prefrontal lobe region. There are strides to study it as metacognition could treat anxiety and PTSD.
Why does this matter?
1. Reality testing. Does this group or my class share similar experiences?
2. H.G. and my ex Antisocial husband are the only two people I have ever met who don’t dream. Do you know anyone like that? Why? It must be a sign that there is a very real difference in the wiring of the brain. What other differences? We found it fascinating HG’s lack of fear…
3. Problem solving. I personally believe we read the narc but reject it with ET as HG says. It’s this gut instinct that is ignored. We push past it or I did. H.G. work has helped me so much, it’s like my first year law professor said “ “you won’t look at the world the same way again “ after law school. Same with HG. I can’t stream a series without thinking of it. For a contagion, trust your instinct and apply H.G. ‘s wisdom. Do not ignore the signs. Finally dreaming is a problem solving tool. If you get a sign in a dream reflect on it. I had a dream where this handsome goth figure trickster showed me his thing and it was a snake with sores. A month or so later I discovered my ex was cheating. I took a wellness exam and was tested for everything. Safe! Whew! But there were signs when I reflected back even in my unconscious… I ignored them probably to build a happy family ( on a stack of cards).
Some of our discussions went into shared experiences and all fell under the heading “what makes a contagian empath.” i found it very interesting and valuable… and bonding;)
Thanks x
Contagious, I love scientific findings and I think it’s just the beginning. There is still a lot to discover. To connect the dreaming ability because of empathy is perhaps too soon. In the old shamanic traditions and ancient cultures dreams played a huge role and some of what they had focused on in their practices involved very dark regions, a person with empathy would unlikely involve themselves in.
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“H.G. says Contagions read other people to make decisions.”
You probably meant feel when you wrote ’read’. The contagion feels. Five senses plus the sixth sense.
Anna Plyance: What sets the contagion empath apart from somebody who is simply extremely adept at consciously or unconsciously reading body language, i.e. the physical manifestation or fabricated replication of emotion?
HG: They feel, the other reads.
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“Same with HG. I can’t stream a series without thinking of it.”
Same here lol, I don’t see protagonists anymore, I see SCHOOLS and CADRES.
I wonder whether it’s only Contagion empaths that describe use of a shield?
I know what I mean when I say it, to me it’s real. I can raise my shield intentionally, before entering a place or having a conversation with someone and I can intentionally lower it.
For me, when my shield is raised I don’t feel emotions coming in and I know that others can’t feel my emotions coming out. My friend is part Contagion also. He doesn’t shield. He has encountered mine though and knows what it is. He commented to me the other day. “I can’t get any read on you at all today, nothing. You’re shielding, are you ok?”
As a general rule, shielding for me is an intentional act. Occasionally, my shield flies up without me calling for it. This happened once in consultation. It shot up instantly, no conscious decision. So it’s defensive, intentionally and unintentionally.
I visualise, particularly if raising the shield intentionally. Similar to the roots, mine is a clear glass dome. Thick, with specks of white light that move through it. The dome starts in a circle around my feet and I raise it so that I am entirely within.
Sounds full on batshit crazy. However, I tested chat GPT the other day. I asked it if empaths are real. Surprisingly it answered yes. My conversation moved from there and towards the end I asked if empaths reported use of a shield and if so, how was the shield described?
Chat GPT
“Empaths often describe their emotional shields in various ways, depending on personal preferences and beliefs. Some may visualize a protective bubble, a shield of light, or, as you mentioned, a dome. The key is to find a visualization that resonates with the individual and helps them feel a sense of emotional protection.”
Then when asked if raising the shield is draining for empaths.
Chat GPT
“While raising an emotional shield can be a coping mechanism for empaths, some may find it draining if they rely on it excessively. It’s essential for empaths to strike a balance between protecting themselves and finding rejuvenating practices to avoid emotional exhaustion. Each person’s experience can vary, and self-awareness is crucial in maintaining emotional well-being.”
Chat GPT describes the purpose of the shield as being “to prevent emotional burnout.”
So there you go. Chat GPT knows about it, so it must be true!
Xx
TS, hi, dear! Your description of how you raise or lower your shield is very interesting!! And how your friend also picks up on this!! Love the batshit crazy!!!
Gpt, seems to still get it slightly wrong though, naming it an emotional shield, whilst actually it is initiated by logic, mentally.
This is also incorrect: „some may find it draining if they rely on it excessively“ ― this is a description of a fear (emotion) based reliance on something that doesn’t work properly. A proper logical shield cannot drain.
AI is a gambler😝 Think of all the additional fingers it puts on hands in its “art”. The other day I was looking at my hand and suddenly thought – there should be more than five fingers, damn.
Hi Jordyguin,
Tonight I’m going to ask it all about the Loch Ness Monster!
Additional fingers could be useful.
TS, do it! I bet it won’t tell you the Loch Ness Monster is President … 🙀 !
Allison, you’re at it again. lol! 😈✋🖖🤚
(I thought of you when the algorithm threw “There Will Be Blood” scenes into my feed yesterday and I clicked on them. I’m blown away! F*ck…! I’m still scared to watch it. It’s intense.)
TS,
I’m interested of your shielding and how it works. The one thing I do, and I’m not sure if it’s shielding or not…If it is and I just didn’t know what to call it, please let me know?
What I do, when I know someone has been cruel to me before and I have to be around them again, usually at work…I will hold tight to my emotions, try to keep them hidden, try to remain calm, straight face, hold my breath, don’t make eye contact, don’t speak and keep my distance, don’t let my emotions out and don’t feel for their emotions, block myself in as much as I can from getting harmed by that person again. I quickly remove myself from their area too. Straight face, keep my eyes from their’s, my eyes give away my wariness around them. Xx
Hi Rebecca,
You are far nicer than me, that was my first thought when I read your comment. Just a lovely person.
I’m not a full Contagion empath, I’m only part Contagion so my experience, the way I interpret my Contagion element, will sit within context of my other schools. I think that’s important to consider. There are other Contagion empaths who are more Contagion than me if that makes sense?
In terms of the shield, there are elements of what you said that are similar. I don’t let my emotions out and don’t reach for theirs. I keep my emotions within.
There’s no try about it for me though. I don’t avoid eye contact, I don’t avoid a person. I am shielded and unreadable and I know it. I know I’m not showing my inner emotion, not transmitting anything of myself so I will hold eye contact and I will engage for as long as necessary. There’s no try or avoid, there’s no discomfort.
I think I would likely be perceived as ‘distant’ by someone who knew me well. There but not there, different. I know that my empath friend doesn’t like it when I have my shield up because I don’t feel the same to him. I’m not in tune with his mood or frame of mind because I’m not attempting to be in tune. I’m very ‘business’. I’m just sticking to the nouns and not bothering with the verbs. In many ways, I have shut up shop.
I think overall my Contagion element has been heightened because I’m interacting five days a week with another empath who also has a Contagion element. I’m far more aware of it. The muscle is being exercised more often, I’m more in touch with it than I was previously. I don’t live by my Contagion element though. It’s there all the time but it’s not overly invasive or consuming, it’s just there.
I don’t know if I’m explaining myself very well or if that answers your question, hopefully it does a bit!
Xx
TS,
Thank you, I have Contagion in my empath make up, I have three Schools and three Cadres and Contagion is only 1 of three. Xx
If it’s shield that I have, that I’m using, it’s not a strong one for me. I wear my emotions on my face easier, majority of the time, compared to the difficulty I have hiding those feelings….must be the Geyser in me…It annoys me when it comes to being at work, my emotions being so easy to read….don’t know why it’s such a struggle to hold them inside…xx
Girls, the „shield“ is not part of contagion make up. Contagions remove themselves. They need distance in order to recover from the burdening emotions of others they take on. Unfortunately there is no shield, but the other schools perhaps are in fact creating a shield, dome etc.
Jordy–
Mental and emotional removal is just as relevant as physical removal, and possibly easier for those who aren’t majority contagions. It’s difficult to say. I think physical removal is the most important part of purging the emotions of others when a majority contagion is concerned.
Remember how you pondered about how to strengthen the schools in one empath.
Hg: “You would not find 100% contagion, we would be looking at 85% and above.”
Meaning the rest of the make could be standard/super/co-d? And those are stronger perhaps when it comes to the build of the shield. And would add and help the contagion school.
Thus, my thoughts, girls with other schools benefit from it for their contagion school.
Jordyguin and Dani,
You have my interest in your comment about Contagion being helped by other Schools in the empath. I wonder which School or Cadre is helping my Contagion?
I have lucid dreams and I can control nightmares, have occassional preminitions and I feel other’s emotions strongly, on occassion. My mother thought my abilities were weird, called me a weirdo and made me feel ashamed of ny abilities, so sometimes maybe I block them, or have blocked them from showing more, or maybe even using them more on a subconsciencious level. I wonder about that part of my empath make up, like Dani, I’m very interested in the innerworkings of the Schools and Cadres.
Dani,
My Schools are Standard, CoDependent, and Contagion. My Cadres are Saviour, Geyser and Carrier. Xx
Jordy–
I remember that conversation. It was excellent.
The context of the statement about high majority contagions:
Emc2gion: we can TAKE/ ABSORB others emotion/energy and ALLEVIATE for example sadness of another it’s spot on returning to emotional equilibrium. If this is a regular occurance then spending time alone is highly important to diffuse the energy which is not our own, otherwise overwhelm and burnout occur. When you say high majority contagion what percentage would that be, and is there a contagion that exists that is 80/100%?
I’m sure there are many majority contagion empaths that fall between 60-84% contagion. They don’t talk about shields. It makes sense to me what you say, that part of the shield comes from the other schools.
You will not find a majority contagion with 15% standard. HG clarified on the “What the Contagion Empath does” to Truthseeker: “what I explained was that within Codependent, Super and Contagion, they each have a bedrock of standard behaviours interwoven within that category which is then layered on top with the “specialities” associated with those schools. Accordingly, you may not have standard show in the outcome for an EDC, but it still forms the bedrock of the other schools.”
(https://narcsite.com/2022/05/11/what-the-contagion-empath-does/#comment-443663)
So HG says that CoD, Super, and Contagion are layered…like CAKES!
Layered like CAKES! — that’s a great visual!! Now it clicked!
Thank you, Dani-chan!
Rebecca–
You know me too well…and how I love to ask people what their breakdowns are…I have an addiction to better understanding HG’s work and classifications. It is too interesting…and HG is too interesting, too.
Rebecca: “You have my interest in your comment about Contagion being helped by other Schools in the empath. I wonder which School or Cadre is helping my Contagion?” — I think that TS mentioned another vital part of this…and that is the role of life experiences.
Rebecca: “I have lucid dreams and I can control nightmares,” — That would be a neat ability, controlling nightmares.
Rebecca: “I feel other’s emotions strongly, on occassion.” — Is it more typically someone that you are close to or can it be a random stranger in the supermarket?
Rebecca: “so sometimes maybe I block them, or have blocked them from showing more, or maybe even using them more on a subconsciencious level.”
“I wonder about that part of my empath make up, like Dani, I’m very interested in the innerworkings of the Schools and Cadres.” — Do you feel like you fit the standard school generally? You said that you were a standard triple hybrid, and HG explained to me what that was. He’s so good to us. How I understand the standard is only, the person extends emotional empathy outside the circle of close friends and family. To go with my analogy to Jordy on this thread, I feel like there should be more to that cake base than that…is there more to the standard school than that? What causes a standard empath not to have as much of the additional layers/icing (that form the other schools)? Considering your story about your mother criticising your premonitions and such…does that play a role?
Hi Dani,
I only know about being a Standard Empath from my EDC results and HG’s video on the Standard Empath. I know it means a show empathy to a larger, wider group of people that doesn’t include family and friends. I also know it works like a sounding board for my other Schools and Cadres, my grasp of it anyway. Xx
I don’t have to be close to someone emotionally to feel their feelings, on occasaion, doesn’t happen ro me every day….it’s not a constant experience for me…For example: The other week, I had a co worker who was angry, not at me, just something to do with work and I felt his anger and I had nothing to be angry about, so I knew it wasn’t my anger I was feeling. I recognized what waa happening and who it was coming from. This person, I suspect to be a narc, but regardless, he’s not a nice person, so my reaction to feeling his anger…I left his area, got away from him, removed myaelf so I wouldn’t soak up that anger inside myself and react negatively to the feeling of his anger. Someone explodes around me, and that part of me is on, then I can explode…that feeling can take over me. The same thing can happen if someone is sad and I feel their sadness, it’ll make me cry. I’ve felt pain, when I’m with a friend at a hospital, she get’s an IV in her arm and my arm will hurt. My mother used to call that ability ” sympathy pains” because when she had pains in her legs, my legs would hurt. I felt her pain. I didn’t understand how or why, but I learned from HG’s work, that’s the Contagion part of my Empath make up. I can finally call it something, besides this “weird abilty” I have sometimes. I felt like a circus freak most of my life, until now. I felt ashamed and didn’t talk about it, for free I would be looked at as a fruitty, nutty person and call in rhe white jackets abd that jacket that makes you hug yourself…at least here, it has a chance of being understood, at least I know I’m not a weirdo, or so different from everyone. It’s kinda nice to be understood. Xx
I don’t have all the answers, Dani. Sorry. Xx HG knows me better than I do, at this point, I’m still learning more about myself than I ever did before HG. I’m looking forward to HG’s series on the making of empaths, how we became empaths and why? I’m so looking forward to learning more!
Thanks HG for sharing your knowledge with us! Please, can we have some more? Xx
Hello Rebecca—
Do you think it has anything to do with the intensity of the feeling the other person has? Do you ever get jolts of good emotions? (I’m glad you were able to get away from the angry person and defuse it so you didn’t explode too.
”sympathy pains” — HG has mentioned that being something contagions experience.
“I felt like a circus freak most of my life, until now.” — I’m glad that HG’s work has helped you feel better about the contagion empathy that you have.
“HG knows me better than I do, at this point, I’m still learning more about myself than I ever did before HG.” — I think HG knows most of us here on the blog better than we know ourselves. Not necessarily precise backgrounds for everyone, but I think he can make very close guesses.
“I’m looking forward to HG’s series on the making of empaths, how we became empaths and why? I’m so looking forward to learning more!” — Same here!
I hope there will be more soon. HG is too interesting and too observant.
*looks hopefully into the shadows where HG is seated looking magnanimously and graciously down on his loyally genuflecting tertiary empaths*
Hi Dani,
No, I don’t think the intensity of the other person’s feelings has an effect on whether I feel it or not. I once felt an emptiness from LMRSN, he had no emotion at all, just blank…nothing, it was the most shocking feeling to receive from him, nothing, because he had just said that he loved me and I felt nothing coming from him and his eyes were empty…he was trying to convince me he still cared about me, after he devalued me. He was hoivering me in person and my Contagion kicked in and called what he said to be the lie it was. I looked him in the eyes and was shocked, nothing, really nothing….and at the time it made me confused….he’s been lying to me? But, why??? I just remember thinking that. Why lie?? Why?? I have a strong Truthseeker trait and I needed to know why? How could he lie like that?? It blew my mind! I found the answers here and the reason why I needed those answers so badly….Dani, Have you taken the Trait Detector yet? I can’t recall if you have or not…Anyway, it’s important to understanding yourself more. It helped me. Xx
Hi Dani,
Forgot to answer another question you had…I can feel happiness from other people too, not just negative emotions. Xx
I have a friend ,who had a baby last year, and I felt her love for her baby, while watching her hold her close to her chest and kiss her little cheek. The feeling touched me and made my eyes tear up, my chest felt warm and bright…it was almost too much to take in. I do believe in love, it exist, I see it with my friend and her baby girl. Xx
Hello Rebecca–
I haven’t done the Trait Detector yet. I have only been able to use the Empath Detector.
Hi Truthseeker6157–
If it is okay with you, and with HG’s permission, can you describe what happened that caused your shield to fly up in a consultation?
And beware the robots, TS. Skynet is real. They’re always watching! Always.
No, consultations are confidential. The maintenance of strict confidentiality is central to their efficacy.
Hi Dani,
HG beat me to it. I can’t give you the context as to what happened there. I very much respect the privacy element of consultations but aside from that, yours would be a question I would answer with “that’s for me to know” I can’t reveal all my secrets now can I?!
What I will say with HG’s permission, is that I have a really lovely time in my consultations. I thoroughly enjoy them and I learn a lot each session. They are a treat I award myself for good behaviour.
My shield did go up, and it is a defensive mechanism, but no one ever learned anything from staying ensconced within their comfort zone.
Xx
Thank you TS.
I understand, sir. Thank you!
Truthseeker6157: “What I will say with HG’s permission, is that I have a really lovely time in my consultations. I thoroughly enjoy them and I learn a lot each session. They are a treat I award myself for good behaviour.”
It’s good to have something like that. HG is quite loquacious and eloquent. An excellent conversationalist.
“My shield did go up, and it is a defensive mechanism, but no one ever learned anything from staying ensconced within their comfort zone.”
I agree. That’s why I ask so many questions. I would rather build up knowledge to understand more.
Dani,
And I love reading your questions 🙂
Xx
I’m joining TS. I also really enjoy reading Dani questions and HG answers 🙂
TS, you visualize very interestingly.
I envy the dome. I was born without this set. My sister certainly doesn’t have that either. Or maybe our domes were damaged?
I learned to protect myself in a different way. I take attacks directly on yourself. Aim for the very center. Strongly! I want it.
One step back, two steps forward.
It hardens inside like a pearl, formed by a grain of sand.
Hey Joa,
I don’t really recall when the dome appeared, or when I first visualised it. I do think what you describe as your preferred form of defence fits with your school though. In many ways, I think shields or the “bring it on” approach represent a degree of self awareness in terms of emotional sensitivity. A recognition that “I’m at my limit right now.” Different schools of empaths likely have different emotional limits together with different levels of tolerance for positive or negative emotion. We can’t just be sitting ducks, somewhere along the line we need to find a way to regulate the emotion we generate ourselves or that is generated externally from ourselves.
I wish I’d thought of a bubble, a bubble would be far cooler haha!
Xx
I’m building a motte-and-bailey castle.
I like the dome. It is more impenetrable. I envy this skill. There is more balance and peace inside. It also allows to more easily achieve things, that are difficult for me to achieve – through a long, roundabout, convoluted path.
You can see almost everything in my eyes and on my face. Happiness, joy, understanding, peace, kindness, sadness, regret, compassion, pity, boredom, worry, nervousness, anger, anger, madness, contempt, indifference.
This doesn’t help me in contacts with a certain group of people.
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Probably the only emotion you won’t see on my adult face is fear. Fear hides itself automatically and transforms into other emotions. Maybe this is my mistake.
Maybe I should start pretending…
No. Just the thought makes me want to vomit. You won’t see it. NEVER.
Keep shooting.
I will stagger, swallow the bullet and spit it out with contempt. Shoot harder!
I invite.
Allison,
You crack me up with your one liners.
Gun turret. Definitely need a gun turret.
Xx
Hi Joa,
I think part of the emotional control aspect might be down to the fact that I have zero Geyser. I love the Geyser empaths too, but none for me.
I think when I consciously raise the shield, more than anything it’s because I’m tired. Not fatigued, emotionally tired. That could be down to my own stuff, things that I’m worried or upset about or it can also be as a result of taking on an emotional workload from others.
I’m part Magnet. People tell me their problems all the time. I don’t even need to know them and they tell me. I don’t mind that. I’m not whining about it, but there can sometimes be a timing issue.
I imagine this with bean bags.
Person 1 tells me their problems. I listen, absorb and take their emotional beanbag from them, person 2 another bean bag, then person 3. I had this happen to me the other day in the gym, three people, big problems, one incredibly sad, one disappointed, one frustrated. I was talking for over an hour before I even got to start my workout. So I’ve got my own bean bag then and three of theirs. I carry them round, think about them. I set them down for a time but then I pick them up again. It can be hours or days before I can get rid of the beanbags, it depends how big they are.
So I’m going about my day, interacting, picking up beanbags and sometimes, I just get tired carrying all that emotion round with me. It’s not even my emotion most of the time, it’s theirs. When I have too many beanbags, I’ll shield. I can’t carry any more, I don’t want any more, Im thoroughly fed up with bean bags.
That would be a conscious reason for shielding. It’s certainly not the only reason but it’s my most common reason. It makes sense to me Chat GPT links use of a shield to ‘emotional burnout.’
It isn’t narcs that pose a problem for me in that respect. It’s the normals and empaths that tend to tire me more.
Xx
JOA,
I like your visualizations. Very intriguing.
Are you an empath as per HG? If so, what kind?
Hello Joa:
I read what you wrote about putting your child first and not wanting a relationship until they were older! I was the same! I did have a convenient relationship with a great sexy man who was a neighbor for 9 years however. He was in the same boat. Focused on his children. On year 9, kids grown he wanted to marry but he had conditions. He liked a small world and all my friends and family were too much. Tbh I loved him but I never was in love with him. We parted friends but he said he would not be in touch but to remember he always loved and enjoyed me. I said feelings mutual and you know how to reach me;) I met LMN after. 10 years or so I was with LMN. We are separated by 6000 miles and a relationship. It’s complicated. Let’s just say only one of us would win $ wise in a divorce… if post nups and a separation agreement were ever challenged… I had always had long term relationships since age 15 – serial monogamous me. The great loves ended because of my ambition and not wanting to move to another country at 20 in college and the other because he didn’t want children. Amazing men who I love and am friends with until this day. Noble good empaths. Lucky ladies they later married ( no children with second. He remained true to himself.) so after my 9 year relationship before my narc marriage, I dated a couple of younger men just to be single and have fun. I wanted to see what single felt like. I was fine on my own. We hung out. One wanted to marry me. Shocker! The other is a friend to this day. When narc and I separated I met a man who wanted marriage and children this time it was me as mine are grown. Factory closed lol. My point is I don’t date. My guess is you don’t either. And I wonder if you went back to narc2 out of familiarity. You love him but easier to go to the devil you know then the one you don’t. My mother has never been alone. And she’s a chameleon changing dynamics with each of the 3 men. Yes only 3. She was Married 35 years to my father. Age 17. Vietnam days. Then right away after my father died, husband two and she was married almost 20 years. He died then within 4 months she moved in with a very wealthy narc. She called him a narc. She’s 80. I have been alone a year. There’s nibbles but I am careful as who ever I choose, it will be awhile and I want to choose correct. It took me to this point to truly be alone as I prefer relationships, I still do. It won’t last, but my mother always said you swap one set of problems for another. When she met her third she told me there are three things people fight about: 1. Money and we have our own. 2. Children, ours are grown. And 3. Sex, we don’t have any. lol! It saddens me that her last relationship is with a narc, no matter how rich. But my mother has friends, interests and children and she is adept at maintaining him and the relationship. She knows he is a narc and yet… she says she has never been alone and what should she do start again at 80? H.G. says when you know you go. But some don’t make that choice. It’s interesting … I wish her every happiness and you too! X
TS, Geyser is strong for me. Much too much 🙂
I’m not classified as a Magnet, but I collect beanbags from other people every day – as you put it. I would even describe it as sacks of potatoes. It overwhelm me and my thoughts. Not only do I carry other people’s bags of potatoes, but I also run between the field and the kitchen, trying to plant or process these potatoes – to get rid of some of the burden I carry.
Sometimes it happens, that in the end, due to considerable fatigue, I avoid contact, run away, dismiss the person, withdraw – or, in a rage, I throw the bag at the person who gave it to me. This makes me feel guilty, so I quickly put the bag back on my back and ask for even more as part of my rehabilitation.
I’m working on not throwing, but returning politely. And don’t lift this bag back up. But these are very heavy mechanisms inside me.
Yes, I’ve also written here before too – sometimes I have to distance myself from people. I have such a character, that sooner or later almost everyone will take advantage of me – a narcissist, a normal one, and even an empath.
That last one – being taken advantage of by an empath – hurts, hurts a lot.
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I also give away my own bags of potatoes. I do it here too. For which I am very sorry.
And thank you for sometimes someone frying my potatoes 🙂
Dani, thank you, yes.
A mediocre empath, internally contradictory, with exorbitant “I” and a ton of potatoes to work with; some of them have already started to rot 🙂 This, in the context of the answer given to TS a moment ago.
And now seriously:
School:
Co-dependent,
Contagion,
Super.
Cadres:
Carrier,
Geyser,
Savior.
Contagious,
I’m not very flexible. If I commit to something, I commit to it 100%. I can’t commit half-heartedly. It doesn’t make sense to me. Everything or nothing. That’s why I didn’t consider such possibilities.
After the relationship with N2, it took me a long time to pick up my remains from the floor and reconstruct myself from them. Love doesn’t die in me as quickly as it does in most people. It takes time. What should I offer a new man? Wreck of a woman? He would have to mentally take care of me, put up with me – that’s not how I see a relationship. Relationship is a partnership, moving together on a similar level (with mistakes on both sides).
Besides, it was impossible for me to fall in love with anyone at that time, and cheating on someone was not in my nature, it wouldn’t even work for me. The only reasons could was: wanting to make my life easier, finding a father for my child. Disgusting reasons to be in a RELATIONSHIP with another human being.
Introducing someone “stranger” to my child, into our lives, would have a terrible impact on her. Especially given my complete devotion and “blindness”, when I commit and love.
I would never take such a risk.
My mother introduced several men into my life – more or less loosely. Each of them was a kind of invasion, a forcible and mental separation me and my sister from our mother. I can’t stand every single one of them.
Our stepfather won my heart. Wise. Well read. Fascinating. Playful. Protective. Rock and wings.
He mentally hugged and embraced me and my sister; step by step, slowly, he didn’t push me, he just showed me, made me curious and waited for me to come to him (as a 6-year-old child, I had a very high level of distrust, much higher than my sister). I was watching him. I just watched. I felt warm and safe. He was a very important figure in my life. And at the same time… nobody.
When, after 5 years of family happiness and warmth, I generated the first shy ray of independence and curiosity about the outside world, he began to show his second face. This situation has escalated to the limits of a mentally distorted reality, black absurdity, enormous fear and hatred.
Could I risk doing the same for my daughter? Sometimes I wonder about the profit and loss balance. Does the warmth I received offset subsequent losses? It seems to be 50% for 50%, but you have to deal with the consequences of losses much longer.
And yet… I limited part of my daughter’s life. She never felt the warmth of the male element. I put fear into her. Have I made her mentaly disabled? I can’t answer these questions. I tried to protect her sensitive, beautiful interior.
Coming back to my mother – sometimes, when she complains that I have to find a man, that I am harming the child, that… (list of accusations), I answer maliciously and with a hint of despair, that I don’t have to – because she has already used up the limit for 5 generations forward.
I won’t change, who I am. Only minor modifications. I tried to do the best possible thing for my child (whom I not expected) and for me – taking into account all our conditions.
I work and am friends with men – once only with men, now with both sexes. I like men. Sometimes I can’t stand they.
In the last 20 years, I haven’t met anyone for whom I would want to reformulate my life.
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I returned to N2 – mentally, electronically – because I always knew, that we would finish what was not finished.
Now it is – from my side.
For years, while loving him, I also kept him at a distance – with court cases outside our country. He realizes, that I did what was best for our baby. At the same time, he hates me for it (at times) and admires me for it (at times). I am the worst and the best mother.
I wouldn’t be able to cope with him if I faced him physically. I would fall into the depths and he would lead me along.
Now yes. I could shoo him away. He doesn’t have that much self-denial.
I closed it and could start new ones. But… I’m tired, I don’t feel like it anymore.
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If I meet you, all the knowledge I have acquired here will go to waste in a second. Maybe it’s better if I didn’t meet you 🙂
Very narcissistic, right?
Note 1:
When describing my stepfather, I forgot to add, that Daniel Craig is his copy 🙂 He had a narrower nose and a more open look, but the rest is very similar, especially the lockjaw 🙂
Note 2:
I forgot about the basic argument, that beats all of them.
I lived alone with my daughter in another city – I had no one to leave her with. In our country, maternity leave was only 16 weeks at that time. There was no financial assistance from the state. So, every day I works for 9 hours, and she first in a nursery, then in a kindergarten, and then in a school community center and at school. In the afternoons, I made up for my absence. It would be difficult to date with a child 🙂 How could I leave alone someone, to whom I was the world? And so life separated us every day cruelly and too early (4-month-old baby).
‘And so life separated us every day cruelly and too early (4-month-old baby).’
This would’ve been very hard, Joa. 💔
Emotional burnout is actually a very good description, I know what you mean. Is it something which is produced by the mind though? We say ’racing mind’ is exhausting, right? And it happens due to false logic? If we think the false logic path till the end, it would present us with the outcome which would lead to emotional burnout. What do we call the opposite of false logic btw? Is it true logic or just logic? I’m hung up on this, lol. So we have two variants of logic, two pathways but it’s the same mind, the same apparatus. How many pathways can it have? I think just two: truth and lie, but this concept is bendable, so. My problem is, how can you trust the mind then? And is it a mind questioning itself or just a pathway questioning the mind?
The mind believed everything from Santa to all the concepts and rules and all the lies piled up and created this one pathway which leads to falling for the lies. How can you be sure for it (the mind) to not mislead you again if it has misled you all the time? You see what I mean?
Joa, these lines stuck with me!
„Keep shooting. I will stagger, swallow the bullet and spit it out with contempt. Shoot harder! I invite.“
So well put! I get into this state whenever I feel “bullets” are meted out against me, real or imagined, and as I write this, I wonder, is this what emotional thinking also can be? After all, how can someone else outside of me have the power to such a degree to make me go into this antagonism of resistance, defiance, pushback? Is it me who allows it? Damn if it is… I invite the bullets to change trajectory and shoot into nothingness where they came from if those are my reactions and the person I adhere the bullets to doesn’t have enough gun-power from the beginning… Those with the dome – the bulletproof west – have perhaps figured it out. lol
Dani, I’m sorry, I probably lost the percentages, when I pasted it.
School:
Co-dependent,
Contagion,
Super.
Cadres:
Carrier,
Geyser,
Savior.
annaamel, yes, it was very hard. 16 weeks of our own beautiful world and I had to hand her over to 12 unknown women, taking care of 80 babies at a time. You can guess, what kind of care it was. When my daughter was about 10 months old, she was bitten by a friend, who was a few months older than her. There were a few marks of his jaw on her back (the teeth made it clear, who it was). Each of these marks, embossed in her skin, was surrounded by a cherry red hematoma. She was held and bitten long and hard. My daughter was not a quiet child, rather loud and bold, she had to scream but probably no one heard her.
Today, my daughter is 18 and she still has one jaw-shaped scar on her back.
My heart bled at work every day, but I had no other choice.
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I am glad, that today in my country things are much better in this respect. After giving birth, each woman receives a one-time financial allowance for basic equipment for the baby’s layette. Maternity leave lasts 12 months. Parents receive a monthly financial benefit for each child until they turn 17.
Nurseries and kindergartens are smaller and more intimate – there are very many of them in my city now. And more babysitters for smaller groups of children.
Of all, that I have mentioned, the most important is the first year of a child’s life, which a mother can spend with her child.
A great thing for future generations of children.
Jordyguin, when it comes to shooting and bullets – I distinguish between the visible and tangible world of the senses, what you see, hear, taste and touch – and the world between the lines of the tangible world – here are all the flows, motives, reasons, energy.
Both of these worlds are real and intertwine very closely.
Depending on the person, this second world is more or less known to him. I am very proficient in this second world.
(…)
I promise to finish this thought soon. I have two difficult ones ahead of me, several-hour days at work, I have to go to sleep. The voice of reason came to me 🙂
Thank you, JOA.
Do you have a majority or are you a triple triple hybrid?
Dani, I’m sorry, I don’t understand – the percentages disappear from my statements.
Yes, I am Co-Dependent in majority and the cadres is in more or less equal parts.
Thank you, JOA!
Aaaaah, I understand now – HG removed percentages.
Although a year ago I already published my results twice, so I didn’t consider this possibility 🙂
Truthseeker! Yes! I know what you mean. I do it at night and on planes but I don’t see anything but I picture twilight. Maybe because I do it at night. I taught my children this at a young age. I told them to pray to God and he will put a shield around you to protect you. This always helped. Also I don’t know if this is a shield ( and it could be just a mental practice anyway, imaginary) but I was told by an empathetic neighbor who I became friends with that I block others out. I seem very focused and she always wanted to approach me. I think people do this with potential mates. If you are open to a partner, it shows. You smile and say hello but it’s different if you are looking for someone. When married, I was always friendly but I got less ( not zero as some like unavailable women) attention but when I decide I am ready, I meet men. I don’t use the internet. Never really did. Once but it was about two weeks. I tend to meet men when vacationing when I feel light and free and night focused on work. But maybe this is not a shied but the way you look at someone or way you smile. Your experience is fascinating! What a lovely ability! I love meeting fellow contagions. They always surprise me. Creative people! X
Hi Contagious,
What you said to your children about a shield reminded me of something my dad said to me. I was fiery when I was younger, I’m still quick tempered now, but I don’t show temper. Very rarely.
My dad said “Lose your temper, lose the argument.” So I began to hold on to my anger, to pull it back into myself. I think this is probably when I also began to realise that emotions shouldn’t always spill out. There’s a currency to them, a time to draw them back in and a time to let them go with all of their force.
I was very very young when he said that to me, but that statement probably played a part in the creation of my style of defence, it might also have prompted the visualisation aspect. I honestly can’t remember how that started, but it’s feasible that it started around that time.
I agree, the things people discuss here are interesting, and I definitely view my slice of Contagion as something I would hate to be without. I can fully appreciate that full Contagion empaths must find it exhausting at times though. It’s an awful lot of information to be taking in, a near constant stream for them. I’m more of a vocal part timer!
Xx
Contagious, when it comes to romantic relationships, it’s the same for me!
There’s probably a sign nailed to my forehead: “Don’t come any closer! Don’t try! Not one step further!” 🙂
It changes when I’m ready. One sec, moment and I’m stuck in shit again up to the top of the head. Ha ha ha 🙂
Contagious,
I have this ability, when I’m dreaming to observe the dream, like a third person, and if becomes horrorifying, I can change what happens, so it’s not so horrorifying to me. I don’t know where I get the ability from, but I use it instinctionally when the dream turns into a nightmare. Any ideas, or thoughts on which School or Cadre this comes from? Have you ever experienced this? Has anyone else here?? Xx
Rebecca,
“I don’t know where I get the ability from, but I use it instinctionally when the dream turns into a nightmare. Any ideas, or thoughts on which School or Cadre this comes from? Have you ever experienced this? Has anyone else here?? Xx”
I have never experienced this and I rarely dream these days – however your comment reminded me of something my son recently told me about his dreams.
He said he’s learned that when he becomes aware (as an observer) that he’s in a nightmare – and he wants it to stop – that he just decides to confront the incoming threat/monster/creature and lets it devour him, or attack him, etc. and this always triggers him to wake up and escape from the dream.
Obviously he isn’t a confirmed empath, however I do believe that he is growing into one. He has undeniable Saviour traits and can be easily provoked into coming to someone’s defense verbally (and sometimes physically) – especially when it’s a friend he really cares about or someone who he believes is being undeservedly harrased. He has a quite a strong sense of justice.
I also believe he may have some Contagion traits – although I have a very small percentage myself.
I wonder if FYC is around? I know she has discussed lucid dreaming before.
Rebecca, Joa, WhoCares, you mentioned nightmares. Apparently nightmares are always related to our fears in waking life. When those are resolved, nightmares don’t appear anymore.
“He said he’s learned that when he becomes aware (as an observer) that he’s in a nightmare – and he wants it to stop – that he just decides to confront the incoming threat/monster/creature and lets it devour him, or attack him, etc. and this always triggers him to wake up and escape from the dream.”
Talent! To confront the fear in a dream is a way to resolve the fear from the waking life. Find out his fear (anxiety, problem, difficulty, what troubles him) in waking life and confront it, find a way to resolve it. When this is done, next time he’ll confront the monster he’ll emerge victorious or unbothered by the monster.
TS: the problem is the reality of one is not experienced by others and sometimes the vast majority. I believe you completely. Contagions are called “ hippy dippy” “ bat shit crazy” and the worst is “ liars” or “ you are just imagining things.” I don’t see auras but I always had “ crazy dreams” . From childhood on so I am known for it. My father said it is because our ancestors are affected by the moon. My no-nonsense conservative highly practical mother would say “ I see.” As if I was describing an actual event. Even she believed that this was my reality possibly because too many years of it. When my father died and I visited his home in a dream, my mother was positive that was where he was and had questions “ what did the post it notes say in his kitchen?” I had to think and recall. My friends love it and lovers. They loved it the most when about them. I had one dream of my best friend, she is Jewish . She was standing on a mountain top glistening under the sun in a pale blue dress and she said “ Ezekiel.” It was her love. To this day she says “when will my Ezekiel come? “ She believes my dreams as I once had a premonition dream about her coworker and tires. This woman died in a car crash soon after. My ex husband a diagnosed antisocial felt that I was fascinated by death. He didn’t dream and felt dreams were death. Odd. There’s just too many but most make no sense and aren’t premonitions at all… or talking to dead people…but they are real …whether it is getting a time of death right when my friend was murdered and writing down the dream to find out later at her murder trial, it was right per the LA Coroner ( by the way that dream was so harrowing and freezing cold I woke up screaming next to my boyfriend and dropped to my knees and prayed to God… never again please!) or having a premature baby and dreaming nonstop about Marlon Brando to deliver him on his birthday… crazy shit, even to me. Baffling and no explanation. But it’s real. It’s like an alien coming to Earth from a different planet and you describe Earth life and they go “ wtf?” In fact there are some conspiracies they won’t come because of the status of Earth. lol There is more unknown about the human brain than known. Very little is known about dreams. Shields. It’s like traveling. You meet people with different customs and perspectives and experiences. But embrace it! Respect it! I think others who call it crazy are right. And on this blog they are being funny not at all insulting. But it is what it is. It’s your life. Your reality. And I for one love hearing about abnormal experiences from miracles to near death experiences to auras and shields and anyone who has almost daily lucid dreams… yes! Chat GOT says 1%. I especially love scientific explanations like quantum theories. I am open to all ideas. It makes life fun! I recommend Michael Crichton’s book called “Travels where he met shamans in the Himalayans and wrote about the mystical or “ unknown.” He was a doctor and a lawyer and wrote Jurassic Park among other best sellers. Any recommendations are appreciated. I read a lot. So hey?
Hi Contagious,
You’re right, a lot of the ‘quirkier’ experiences aren’t experienced by the majority and I must admit, other than on here I don’t discuss my quirks with people close to me. My empath friend is an exception. He knows about my Contagion aspect because when he did the EDC and showed Contagion as a noticeable slice of his school make up, he wanted to understand more about how mine operated. What I felt from people, how I felt it, how long I felt it for etc. He definitely does reach for emotion, I can feel him pushing in around my edges. He’s the only person I’ve told though. I’ve told my daughter bits and pieces. She went through a stage where she was scared of the dark, scared of ghosts. I told her that whilst I was around she would never be in a house with ghosts so she didn’t need to worry. I then had to explain a little about how I knew that. She was never scared after that.
On the whole though, you’re right I don’t share my quirks. I remember my dad talking to me about various things quirky as a kid. He asked if I ever felt a draining feeling when I entered a place, various questions, but those questions were only discussed when it was we two, my mum was never there. I didn’t offer up information, I was asked.
Your dreams are interesting. They are vivid and you remember them in detail. I don’t dream as often now, not that I remember at least. I very rarely see people I know in my dreams, usually I’m alone. Online narc appeared in them a few times, I think when people appear it’s often that I’m trying to work that person out. My mind is rearranging the pieces into a presentable description that makes sense to me.
I do have horrific nightmares. Always a similar theme. I know in the dream what is about to happen but can’t stop it happening, so I even get the build up to the horror haha! Go me! I have two dream houses, always the same houses, one good, one bad. Staircases feature a lot in my dreams too. I think about my dreams, pay attention I suppose, but I don’t see them as prophetic in any way. Not for me, that’s not to say that I don’t believe dreams can be prophetic for some people, they just aren’t for me. They are more of a character analysis, either mine or more rarely, someone I am trying to work out.
I think I’m slightly different to you in that I don’t welcome the quirkier side as such, I accept and embrace it but I don’t celebrate it. I am also a natural cynic so will attempt to explain things away as best I can within a majority context. I can laugh at my quirkier side, (not in a bad way) but I always maintain I wouldn’t be without it.
Xx
TS and Contagious–
Why do you think it is that the “quirkier” experiences aren’t experienced by those who are majority?
Do you think that the non-majority choose more readily to call quirkier experiences contagion owing to some aspects highlighted by HG, like seeing auras and feeling the emotions of everyone, sound quirky to those who don’t share it?
To me, it sometimes seems like majority contagions are viewed as borderline magical…everyone has their own experience and everyone has their own interpretation of what has been explained and further research undertaken. People can feel what they feel and understand what knowledge they have compiled…I just don’t feel like the majority contagions share the view of their majority school being “magical.”
Forgive me the Harry Potter reference.
Super Empath pointing:
Greater Narcissist! GREATER NARCISSIST!
Contagious, wand at the ready, thinks logical thoughts:
Expecto Tudorum! *looks at TS, Saviour Empath Extraordinaire* Check for me, please?
TS heaves the limp figure onto its back, revealing the ND stamp:
Upper Lesser, Type A. IT’S ALRIGHT! Upper Lesser, Type A playing guru. *rolls eyes and mumbles* Jumped up Super. I was hoping for a MGN popstar or politician.
*Stadium erupts with cheers, and the Tudor Mark is blasted into the sky, a fiery letter “T” and it is seen from space*
~FANDOM JUMP~
A handsome man stands on the bridge of a fully operational, moon-sized battle station. “The ability of a weaponized contagion to vanquish an Upper Lesser, Type A is insignificant compared to the power of the Ultra.”
‘I told her that whilst I was around she would never be in a house with ghosts so she didn’t need to worry. I then had to explain a little about how I knew that. She was never scared after that.’
Hi TS. I’m curious what you told your daughter so that she was never scared again?
Contagious, I sometimes have THIS dream, but I don’t know what happened yet. I feel with all my being, that it was a dream-marker. I try to remember it and wonder what news will come to me soon.
Sometimes they are just warnings.
Contagiuous and TS, yes, you both put it well, I was comforted by your words. I like my quirky side too, it’s so interesting, but I try not to give it too much importance. I keep it within an appropriate margin. Yes, I can laugh at this side me, too, and even mock it 🙂
Hi Dani,
When I mentioned that quirks aren’t experienced by the majority, I meant the majority of people in general, not the majority of contagions or the majority of empaths.
I can understand why people that do experience events or phenomenon that fall outside of the perceived norm choose to keep these experiences under wraps. I certainly don’t discuss my shield in Starbucks over coffee haha! I can see that it sounds odd and I can laugh at myself there.
Our schools and cadres are accurate representations of our drivers most definitely but on top of that I think we also need to overlay general life experiences also. Some of our quirks might correlate more closely to our personal life experiences than our core drivers.
I laughed at your empath v narc scenario. I noticed I was the brawn of the operation, the one getting her hands dirty. You’re probably not far off there actually!
Xx
Hi Annamel,
I’ve kind of been raised on the idea of ghosts. My dad has seen and heard all sorts and that runs strongly through my dad’s side of the family.
I told my daughter that some people believe in ghosts, some don’t but that I do and so does grandad. I
I believe that sometimes people can leave a piece of themselves behind when they spend time in a place or a house, a bit like a recording or the essence of themselves. Most people don’t notice this recording, but sometimes people just happen to be able to tune in to it. They either shape this essence into an image or it might be more of a feeling or a sense of someone being there.
She asked me if I had ever seen a ghost. At that point I hadn’t so I said I hadn’t seen a ghost but I had been in places and houses that I didn’t like the feel of.
I told her that when I or her grandad go looking for a new house to buy, we walk around the house and check every room. We check the garden and the garage and we make sure that there are no ghosts, no strange feelings anywhere in the house. I told her about a house I bought in Nottingham that was very old, on its own surrounded by fields, and before I bought it, grandad walked round the house and checked it, just like I had. That house was the oldest and happiest house I ever lived in.
I explained that if there was anything at all in the house, if there was anything wrong with the house, I would know before anyone else and I wouldn’t buy it. Some houses I have refused to go in, some I have gone in and not liked the feel of them at all and we would never buy a house like that.
So, she didn’t need to worry about ghosts in her house, because no matter how often we moved, the house would always be completely happy and free of ghosts or anything that might scare her.
In terms of the dark I told her there is nothing there in the dark that isn’t there during the day. I told her that I love the dark, I walk Ralph in the dark because I love the peace of the dark and the nighttime noises I don’t get to hear during the day.
That was it. She listened and trusted my opinion. She never worried about ghosts or the dark after that.
I think it’s sensible for people to be skeptics of what they don’t experience themselves and I accept and understand that. There is no possibility of comparison of evidence based approaches and for the reasons of safety of not becoming a blind follower of someone who can see and hear things others can’t – I think the history is filled with these examples – people must be cautious. But what almost became a norm is even more puzzling to me. I mean the widespread channellings. There is this voice which speaks to chosen ones and has a message for humanity. This is very narcissistic in nature. Would an empath who receives this message be able to distinguish what is applicable for humanity as a whole? Would a narcissist? Both have different approaches to life and different needs. But who is the one who needs to lead masses ? Thus I find it extremely important to learn to recognise narcissistic mechanisms in every aspect of life.
But I of course also understand those who are just wired differently and need to find answers as to why and how they function, and are connected to the metaphysical. The dreaming culture existed all across the globe and played a big role in ancient societies. Something changed in the world.
(Contagious🐰I replied to your questions re West. But it’s still in moderation, I think. Xx)
Rebecca: you are a lucid dreamer. That’s what you describe:) x
Sir, I just realised there is no „seatbelt“ in place, in the long reply I wrote to Contagious about energy, except the West.
I know how the outcome works for me and it’s similar for others, but I cannot be certain about her ability. She might “fly out of the window”, where I never did, I had a seatbelt. My apologies sir, that was not sensible. I hope, I think, you will not post that reply. Thank you. I should stop sharing about those things, bits of pieces of information are not useful.
Contagious,
Thank you for answering my question about my ability in dreams, being a third party watcher in my dreams is difficult to describe, but I believe you understand how I can be aware of the dream, while I’m dreaming and I remember them when I wake up. Controling them when they turn scary is something my mother was troubled by with me.
Thank you for sharing here xx
Dani:
It does not make me money lol. There’s nothing magical about it. If it were magic, I would be not be working and paying bills lol It does nothing really except exist. Make me wonder why. It could just be a creative component to my brain or an intuition. It just is. I just share on the contagion thread because others here “ get it” and don’t judge. Refreshing;)
Thank-you TS. I can imagine your daughter found this comforting and it made her feel much safer.
Who cares: You are a lucid dreamer. It’s also called metacognition. You are able to watch your dream and interact and change it.
Hello, Truthseeker6157
TS: When I mentioned that quirks aren’t experienced by the majority, I meant the majority of people in general, not the majority of contagions or the majority of empaths. — That makes sense.
TS: Our schools and cadres are accurate representations of our drivers most definitely but on top of that I think we also need to overlay general life experiences also. Some of our quirks might correlate more closely to our personal life experiences than our core drivers. — I see…the decorations on the cake…I like that.
I’m glad you laughed at the Harry Potter Like scenario. You are a saviour empath…saviour gotta save…as you put it in your Escape video.
Side note: How much contagion are you?
Hi Annamel,
Thank you. Yes ghosts and the dark were a win. I had a big loss though when trying to get my daughter to stop chewing on her hair. Not one of my finest moments!
Xx
Hi Dani,
It made me smile you remembered that comment.
In terms of my Contagion, I don’t give my percentages on the blog, I struggle to give my schools if I’m honest. I have done so once in the past, but prefer not to.
Given that I’m active on the Contagion thread, I can confirm that I do have Contagion representation and it is a significant portion of my school breakdown.
Xx
Hello, TS,
I understand not wanting to share percentages. I’m keeping my lips zipped about my results.
Can you look back at any experiences from childhood and see that sensitivity of the contagion to the emotions of others? I remember you describing some of that sensitivity to your close friend over on the “What the Contagion Empath does” thread in our previous conversations.
Hi Dani,
As far as childhood I think the standout would be my dad. We have been in tune for as long as I can remember. So if my mum was present during a conversation, there was the surface conversation taking place but there was also the emotional conversation running alongside. For example, a question like how was your day? I could answer in the positive, bouncy, light because I couldn’t be bothered / had no intention of discussing it with my mum. My dad would feel behind the words and know that actually, my day had been rubbish. I did the same with him. This still happens now, on a very regular basis.
I was very close to my grandma, but I don’t recall being in tune with her particularly. The only other person I really ‘reached’ with was my childhood best friend Emma. I remember her telling me one day that her parents were getting divorced. On the surface she was matter of fact, surprisingly calm, but the ache I felt from her was really deep. A dull, heavy, twisting ache. That’s the other thing, I feel and visualise at the same time. Emotions aren’t static when I feel them, they are moving. Once I tuned in with that event, I remained tuned in to her.
Other than that, not really. Little things, I feel a lie, I know when I trust someone etc but as a kid, there aren’t too many deep discussions, at least not for me. Confidences are light, fewer dramatic life experiences, so the weight of emotion isn’t there as you tend to find it when adults confide.
I also think I find it easier to connect with negative emotion rather than positive. Again though, part of that is because people don’t feel the same need to talk to someone about something positive that has happened. It’s more, “ Oh before you go, I’ve got to tell you this!”Yes, I can feel the glow of positive emotion but it’s less specific for me, it’s just, ‘positive’, ‘happy’ ‘bubbly’ or ‘light ‘pretty much. Negative emotion there is a real need behind it. A need to confide, a reaching out for help, comfort, support, to harm or to upset. For me this ‘need to’ confide, or ‘need to’ engage is far easier to tune into than the lighter, glowy, positive emotion. Relief, I feel relief more strongly and that is positive but in general I’m less specific / precise with positive emotion. I also have to admit that I’m likely less interested in positive emotion. I see my role more as being someone who helps, supports, saves, fixes so I’m also less ‘needed’ when emotion is positive.
Xx
TS, “have two dream houses, always the same houses, one good, one bad. Staircases feature a lot” – could the houses represent as your parents in life & the staircase something to do with a memory when you were a child?
Hello Asp x
That’s a really good point. I hadn’t thought about the houses like that. I see the houses open up in front of me and I either feel a sense of dread or a sense of relief so that would definitely tie in to how I feel about my mum and dad.
I don’t know with the staircases. I think I have access to my childhood memories, good and bad, I don’t think I have locked any away but I can’t swear to it.
I’m always at the top of stairs when the dream turns really bad, I take the first step onto the staircase and then it starts. In the non nightmare dreams where stairs appear, I’m usually heading somewhere, trying to get away or trying to get somewhere.
My horror dreams are definitely guilt related.
I do see your thinking with the houses, I’ll think about that some more.
How are you Asp Amp? You doing ok?
Xx
Hi Asp Amp: I go to too many places to mention. I highlighted just a small few. I am a dream traveler to places not here in reality. No, the house I visited was my father’s and I have been to other deceased loved ones places. My former murdered best friend shared 3. His was over a few hills on a large patch of land. It was wooden and outdoorsy . Pacific Northwest in structure but we have no ties there. It had a large garden and inside was a multistoried home with a very large dog asleep in the main area. Like a Saint Bernard. There were guitars and wood working tools strewn, his passions and sticky notes in his handwriting. One said “ Go home.” Unlike any dream, whenever I heard my dad in a conversation. He says go. There is lots more detail but my mother took comfort saying… that’s him. That’s where he is. So, I think it is a creative mind who created the afterlife or some quantum physics thing beyond me. What is creepy is a teenage friend who died at 50 was at a her home and got a delivery of flowers. I watched as coming down the street to see a delivery truck. The flowers were as tall as her and included sunflowers. She dropped to her knees and seemed to be feeling grief. She looked at me. The next day, I looked up her boyfriend John. He had died the week before. I don’t know. I really don’t. I have dreams like that too. I had one were my ex from 25 years ago was calling to me. He needed my help. I reached out to him later and gave the date. He said his wife’s mother had died that day. Coincidence? I could go on. I have many coincidences. It is what it is. I am clueless.
Sonya would you share the colors and their meanings? I saw colors during a crystal chakra healing and reiki session. I went twice to the chakra and once to a reiki so nooooo expert. I don’t see auras but I do see white outlines that are sometimes big or small and they move like outlines. It could be bad vision lol. But have you heard of that? Or does it not exist. Why would HG identify empaths by red? It’s fascinating to me since I don’t experience it. Twilight is my go to color. It’s my favorite. I see it before I go to sleep. Also I have a need to put my bent finger between my eyes at the space where your eyebrows part. Center. It soothes me. I do yoga every night before bed too after years in a studio I know it. Does this place mean anything…mean anything? Ever hear of it? I get an ache there. I think because of my stressful job. I don’t know why. Too much mental energy spent, rubbing it helps or applying pressure. Thanks if you have time to respond.
Contagious and Dani,
I had an experience once, regarding my Contagion part, when I was 16 and had to have serious surgery done. I was afraid and unsure of the outcome, the consequences of the surgery could have been severe and life changing for me, if things went wrong and I was really scared about it.
My maternal Grandmother had died just a few months before the scheduled surgery and I was missing her and feeling a need of her comforting embrace.
During the surgery, the doctor told me later, that I was talking to someone not there, but that I was definitely communicating to someone, he said, “who was blowing out candles”. He said, when he asked me, who I was talking to, I told him, that she blows out candles.
When he told me that, after I recovered from being put under ‘twilight sleep’ I knew who I was talking to. Whether I was dreaming my grandmother was with me, or not, the fact is I felt her with me and she comforted me.
The blowing out candles reference is the way she would breath when she was sleeping, sounded like she was blowing out candles. She used to sleep with me, when I visited her, when I was little and afraid of the dark, quiet rooms. Her snoring comforted me in the dark. She was there to comfort me, when I needed her again. I believe it, I felt her with me. The doctor confirmed to me, at least in my mind, when he heard me talking to her. Xx
Twilight sleep is what I call, when a doctor gives you a drug, don’t know the name, that allows you to be under enough not to be afraid, can’t feel pain, but that you can communicate with the doctor if something goes wrong…the doctor called it, twilight sleep, where you’re semi aware of what’s going on, but you’re kinda doopy still. Maybe someone else will know the drug , or what I’m referring to? Xx
Anyway, I think it was my Contagion part being active and allowing my grandmother to comfort me. Xx
„..the doctor called it, twilight sleep, where you’re semi aware of what’s going on, but you’re kinda doopy still. Maybe someone else will know the drug, or what I’m referring to?“
Rebecca, yes – the twilight or the dawn state – when you’re not fully awake but not asleep and are aware of what’s going on, but without the doopy part, if you’re practicing it i.e. taking notice of it and elongate the feeling/state before you fall asleep and upon awakening, naturally. Any drugs and stimulants may create an opening into this state, but without any control, thus sometimes so many bizarre visions the people describe they have after undertaking drugs and stimulants. Under the drugs – the conscious/subconscious layers one’s personality (fears, wishes, beliefs) over the pure perception in this alternated (wider) state of perception and people interpret what they experience in a way which is related to their temperament, personality and memory. For instance, communication with angels, demons, gods, etc. But that’s not the goal. The goal is very pragmatic – to receive information and experience other possibilities of perceiving reality. Sort of turning from a trichromatic into a tetrachromatic, if you will.
I remember HG mentioned that drugs didn’t have any affect on him other than experiencing heightened energy levels. HG has a high awareness of his mind so it make sense that he didn’t lose control of his awareness and the control of perception in general, because it plays an important part for him, but it’s also a goal for those who practice the control of alternated states of perception (for instance in dreaming). HG’s “mask” couldn’t fool him so to speak. Also there is his chameleon aspect (fluidity), which means there is no attachment to a particular personality, thus no bizarre visions based on fears, beliefs or attachments would appear. HG’s detailed perception in general, gives away the ability which usually comes with an alternated (wider) perception of reality. In the tradition where I learned about dreaming, this is in part close to being called the ’dreaming awake’ state. Dreaming awake, meaning a wider perception of either the waking or ’asleep’ (dreaming) state.
So, drugs are not necessary to experience those. The ability itself is part of what your brain or rather your full organism is able to do. Taking drugs in order to achieve this is counterproductive, undisciplined, and it damages the organism. This is also why I don’t attach the ’dreaming’ part to just empaths/contagions. This is an ability of each living organism and it will play out differently. Xx🌸
Hi Contagious.
It is my belief that colors of aura is the same as chakra colors. They do mean different things but I can’t remember all of them. I have only seen a colored aura around my dog and it was only once. He had a green and bluish color and he was behaving as playful, not wildly so and seemed very content. It was a flash of the colors so I often question if I truly saw them.
I have a friend who can see and read auras and she told me it started when she was young and she said that at first she saw the white lines as you mentioned. It sounds like you may have the ability to see aura but it is not yet advanced, and it may never be. I am not sure about the place between your eyes or why it would ache. Chakra belief is that the third eye is indigo and I believe it is higher up on the forehead.
It represents having the a very developed 6th sense, this leads me to believe that only psychics would have that.
Yoga is a wonderful practice and almost everyone I’ve met who does yoga regularly and has a contagion type of personality is very calm and probably more prone to 6th sense abilities than others.
I would classify myself as an Inuit. I have the majority contagion, which I have had since 4yrs old and I have very strong intuition.
It is all very interesting isn’t it?
There are a number of YouTube videos that have information about all of this. I am of the belief that we can improve certain abilities, we either have them or we don’t. I do not believe people can be taught to see auras. There are YouTube channels that claim the opposite. I am no expert at this stuff.
I do believe some people are psychic but I also believe in the logic of proof.
I’m not aware that HG sees empaths as red, I think someone mentioned that about one of his videos but I am not personally aware that he stated that If I HAD to guess I would say it is because red represents blood. He is a predator and empaths are his prey, lol
Only HG could answer that question.