Doug Kramer
Many of you have enjoyed the discussions Doug Kramer and I have had, indeed we were due to have another lively Q&A this Thursday.
Doug passed away yesterday aged 50.
Doug’s warmth and enthusiasm was always evident in our interactions and he can be remembered through the many videos we created.
HG Tudor
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Hi, Leela_Z:
“I´m a REAL scientist. Honest! Can´t go into detail here!! I´m not allowed to present facts. People have to look up the facts and evidence themselves.”
Let me see if I have this straight:
You’re a scientist who doesn’t provide details, you can present unmoored speculation but you are barred from providing facts, and a result from your research is to tell people to do the research themselves.
Did I get that?
I just viewed the reaction video. I put it off because I don’t handle the deaths of others well, and I didn’t want to get depressed while finishing up the semester. My final paper turned in I took a deep breath and sat down to watch.
I don’t like it when people die. There are some people I’ve known that I’m absolutely giddy about them being dead, but I still didn’t like the immediate aftermath. I find it very distressing and messy, even if I didn’t know the person well. I feel like I’m being ripped to shreds by the mourners.
The subject of my own demise is different. I have some plans, especially for my epitaph. I’ve written several, but all of them seek to have potential readers walk away with mixed feelings of astonishment, puzzlement, disgust, and dread about my state beneath them, blooming in that order. Then I hope they laugh. Out of discomfort or mirth, either will suit. Guess I won’t know anyway.
This video was painful. I brought that on myself with all my emotionalism, my sensitivity, my misplaced grief at the death of someone I never knew and who never knew me. I found myself taking it all very personally, then I felt like an idiot for that.
The video was also truly beautiful. As a child, I saw many dead people, both fresh and preserved, and those around me always responded with loud wailing, screaming, yelling, rocking, moaning, and sometimes speaking in tongues. It was ugly. This video was beautiful. In it I received an education in logic, wisdom, and truth. No sentimental bullshit. No mournful window-dressing. Clarity. Precision. HG answered the questions I was afraid to ask because I’ve been trained that they’re rude. Instead of being further distressed, I was comforted.
I found that my worries for how HG might be faring were the result of my projection. It’s hard to remember that he is truly different, hard for me to keep a grasp because his world is not mine. Yet, as I listened, I found myself nodding in understanding and then not surprised at all how Doug impacted Mr. Tudor.
The irritation at the loss of an asset. The acknowledgement of that asset’s prior service to the Prime Aims. The facade. The legacy. So very different. So very cold. So very beautiful.
And somehow the bad man is doing a good job.
I listened. I winced. I wondered. I exhaled. I hadn’t realized I was holding my breath.
Holding my breath because I was very concerned at how my teacher might be doing. Unsure how to respond. Afraid of being irritating. Lamenting all the distances between us.
The video was beautiful. As was Doug. As is our Mr. Tudor.
I needn’t worry at all.
I greatly enjoyed your interviews with Doug, HG. I could not believe the news that he had passed away at first, it was so sad. Doug was a warm person, I liked his spontaneity. His questions to you were always thoughtful and spot on. I am grateful that I got to “know” him and hear about his personal story. We thankfully still have the interviews with you to listen to again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-PxAx7MMg
This is a great summery about Dough and your friendship HG!
With regard to you I find it very interesting that Dough’s last YT video is about this cult “Twin Flame Universe” where people look for their soul mate…
Really looking forward to your upcoming YT video “Doug Kramer – His impact on me”:
Doug had an endearing personality and affable nature that added great value in the dynamic with HG, but that I also felt sometimes belied the true extent of his traumas. His contributions will be sorely missed, and his courage to understand, overcome, and offer assistance through education and example to others not forgotten.
It is only an idea, in Doug’s memory, those who have accessed & utilised HG’s work could consider making a donation to the Angel Assistance Fund?
Your conversations with HG were a gift! Thank you dear Doug!
This is so sad! Condolences to his family and friends. I’m sorry for your loss, HG!
May his soul rest in eternal peace.
RIP Doug
You were lovely and had the sweetest personality and I will miss your videos
It’s extremely sad news.
Doug was genuine, fair, open-minded, warm and friendly. He was bright had a good sense of humour. The lovely photo here of him conveys much of this.
Even though you remain, HG, essentially detached from all people, I’m of the opinion you can like people (even if it’s somewhat rare) and you liked Doug. And it was clear to me he genuinely liked you too, and enjoyed the chats about all of the different topics you both covered.
While you were different to each other and in normal life circumstances may never have crossed paths, it seemed like you were both fortunate to make such a connection with one another.
I am glad to think that Doug’s videos, with you and without, will be available in some form forever.
Thank you for sending an email sharing Doug’s passing. This is just so very sad…
Like many of us here, who have found ourselves on this wayward voyage, Doug seemed to have found the stars to help him navigate and right his ship through your work. And while he was steering smartly, heading back on course, he helped so many along the way, by exposing the danger and damage inflicted upon others by cult organizations…offering life boats to those in need.
Oh, how I believed he was destined to transmute his trauma into something resplendent. He was one of the select who had the ability to do just that. I like to believe he will get the opportunity to do so…as below, so above (a strike and reversal).
Unyielding stress and trauma over an extended period of time from narcissistic abuse may become a chronic disease for Empaths. It may amputate years from our lifespans. It may cripple the healthy functionality of children. Which is why time is of the essence. The torment is real and the toll may be incalculable. Doug really endured…quite much.
I will miss him. I will miss what will now remain unseen, at least in this lifetime. I will miss your interviews with Doug; the strangest bedfellows who helped many—together. 😓
Well said.
Hi Amy Emerson,
“I will miss what will now remain unseen, at least in this lifetime.”
Yes, this. I was curious too where his healing and education would lead (other than exposing Scientology and aiding other ex-cult members), and I often wondered if he had plans to get back into acting.
Same. I felt like I was a passenger on his very complicated journey, eager to see more positive personal advancements. The strides of one helps us all, especially with his circumstances which sounded incredibly messy. I mean, we all have our messes, but geez…the loss of time. 🥺
My condolences. This is awful. Rest in peace Doug. Very sad news indeed.
This is really sad to read. Interviews with Doug and HG were my favourite and I’m so happy he managed to channel his energies into something positive for others.
I’m so sorry to hear this. My heart goes out to his family and all who knew him.
Thank-you for letting us know, HG and sorry for your loss.
I might have just thought that his channel went down, without knowing otherwise. I just went there and many people are posting on his last video.
Dear Mr Tudor,
Thank you so much for sharing this very unexpected startling news. Doug was a most valuable addition to your platform, as we learnt so much from him during your sessions together. Your interactions blended in a most natural way. Doug was very genuine and an extremely likeable character. He will be sadly missed. My sincerest heartfelt thoughts are with you Mr Tudor and all the lovelies here who were touched by his character.
Thank you for your kind message and for thinking of everyone here, Bubbles. Sending kind and heartfelt thoughts to you too.
I agree that HG’s interviews with Doug were unique and very enjoyable. I always looked forward to them. Doug will be greatly missed.
Oh my god – I can’t even believe this. He was doing a really good thing with his channel. And your interviews togetherness with Doug were always the best. Doug will be so missed.
I am just so shocked.
How can this be? It’s hard to believe.
This is very sad, unexpected news. Doug was only 50 and he was so vital, warm and friendly.
Condolences to his family and friends. And to you, HG. You knew him personally.
I will miss Doug and his engaging and helpful videos and his interviews with you, HG. May he Rest in Peace.
This is a shame.
How many people did he save from Scientology, and how many got saved from narcissists due to his talks with HG? They had another q&a coming. He wanted to continue.
He should be here.
This sad news was devastating to hear, what an incredible loss, his warmth and genuine kindness was evident with each interview you did together.
Thank you for sharing the loss of Doug, he will be sadly missed.
Sending love, strength and prayers to Doug’s family and friends.
Sending love to you HG ❤️
I will miss Doug Kramer. Thank you, HG, for making memories with him for us to enjoy.
I am very sorry to learn about this unexpected loss. My condolences to his family and friends and to all who are experiencing this loss. HG, I hope you find another who possess his qualities to continue both your efforts. It would be an honor to you both.
HG, I know you’re ice cold but I am sorry for your loss. I know you valued his friendship and your connection. I will miss you two together as well. Your tandem was magic.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Noooo!!!!!!! My heart sinks. Doug, I love you wherever you are!!!!! You will be missed. I can’t believe this.
I can’t believe it either, SP.
It seems unreal. Was Doug ill or suffering in some way? I guess we will hear more news soon about why. It’s devastating. He looked and seemed fine and was planning another Q&A with HG this week.
„The county medical examiner has determined that Doug died of arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and that his smoking was a significant condition.“ Quote on Substack, Tony Ortega
Somebody who knew him and his family commented on a video by Andrew Gold that it was finally released he died of a massive heart attack caused probably by his heavy smoking. At the moment I am typing this comment, they are still waiting for an official communication though. I only clicked on Gold’s video in my attempt to find some more information. However, I would love for HG to create a video for and about Doug talking about their collaborations. I am very grateful for having been lucky to know about him
thanks to HG’s interviews with him.
Oh gosh, that’s awful! 50, no age at all! I’m sorry for your loss, HG.
HG I am sorry for the loss of this admirable man. I don’t t want to come across as cold or disrespectful in anyway, however I would like to how his passing affects you? Did you see him as a friend or did you see him as another appliance that fulfilled the needs of your narcissism? I mean no disrespect in any way and I’m hoping you realize that I’m asking this question as a student to my teacher. I am truly sorry HG.
HG answered the question about friendship on his last live video with Doug.
I was not asking about friendship in general. I was asking about him and Doug and his thoughts on the relationship between the two of them. They seemed to mesh really nicely together and it seemed to some of us to be a friendship between the two and a great loss to HG. Is this an example of are emotions reflecting onto HG? That is what I was trying to get at when I ask that question to HG.
Discussion about if they have a friendship starts at 33:31 in the last live between them. Apologies if you feel I answered on HG’s behalf. No offense meant.
https://www.youtube.com/live/hHg4qJZ1z6M?si=XFHLhxVbUtiek7Yb
No offense taken SW. Thanks for sharing.
That was a very genuine question FM1T and I’m glad HG created a second video answering it. Thanks for asking it.
What awful news. I’m so very sad for your loss, HG. A tragedy.
Shocking news! I’m glad the impromptu Q&A took place. Very sad to learn of his passing.
I am so sad to hear this. Only 50. What a warm intelligent good friend you on many occasions brought to the light for us Tudorites, HG.
VERY sorry to hear that. So many people have died suddenly and unexpectely. 💉💉💉?
What absolutely devastating news.
Doug was such an open, amicable man, and his fervor for sharing his experience as a cult survivor aided countless people.
His camaraderie with you, HG, is unparalleled.
It takes an extraordinary person to hold that position, and Doug was the embodiment of that.
A crushing loss indeed, and the world is poorer for it.
I’m very sorry for the loss of your buddy, HG.
Oh, very sad.
Young man – what happened?
Achhhh, he recently made me laugh while smoking cigarettes while talking to HG… 🙂
It’s a pity there won’t be a sequel…
I hope he died quickly and without suffering, and those he loved will continue to carry this warmth.
#diedSuddenly? 💉💉💉? Lost a couple of friends, just after …….. What a coincidence isn´t it?
Your comment on the information about the death of a human is highly inappropriate.
You tend to force your political views and views on health care onto people. You achieve the opposite effect.
A little moderation.
A bit of silence and reflection, when someone crossed the last threshold.
I´m just talking about FACTS! So many people have “died suddenly” at a young age since 2021. Why? Do you have an explanation? 😉
Park the theories. Your speculation is grossly inappropriate.
I´m just asking for a friend, sensei 😉
Lack of savoir être. Time and place, Leela.
I know. It was a provocation. 😇
Why? Low fuel these days?
Nope. Provocation raises awareness. But thanks for the compliment. My narcissistic traits are strong!
Provocation devoid of supporting evidence does not raise awareness, rather, it seeks attention.
Got some. There is plenty. But Im not allowed to go into more detail here. But you can do research yourself. You will find it.
S. Seneff. MIT. Meta-Analysis!
So is your lack of momentum.
I´m a REAL scientist. Honest! Can´t go into detail here!! I´m not allowed to present facts. People have to look up the facts and evidence themselves.
🥱 Zzzzzzzz
Shove that.
I’m not sure if your efforts at provocation raise awareness, but they certainly raise my lunch.
„The county medical examiner has determined that Doug died of arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and that his smoking was a significant condition.“ Quote on Substack, Tony Ortega
Hi Christa,
That’s really sad that his death had a connection to smoking and even sadder to say, it was a preventable death and a real loss. Xx
Smoking related illnesses kills a lot of people every year. I know this to be fact and not bs. My own brother died at 42, from his third heart attack and smoking damaged his heart, but didn’t hurt his lungs. Some people think it’s the lungs, always the lungs …..no, it’s usually the heart that smoking damages and he had an enlarged heart and damaged arteries. Please if you smoke, stop, get help from a doctor, to stop smoking, it could be your life that you save. Xx
Yes I found the same just now.
Thank you for this information, Christa. Doug was a ray of light. I hope he just fell asleep and went peacefully.
Dear HG,
I expected to read about a new series of interviews with you….not this sad news. He will be missed and you two were so entertaining, fun and educational together. I’ll miss his personality and the chemistry you two had together. He will be missed. Xx
OMG, Doug was such a ray of light during your conversations with him. I will not forget Doug. Such a sad time for those that knew him personally.
Thank you for your post, HG xx
That has really upset me. Doug’s warmth and kind heart shone out from him. The discussions you both had were a joy to listen to.
How incredibly sad. Thank you for letting us know.
Oh, this is really so sad. He, and your interviews with him, will be missed.
I can’t even comprehend this, you just had a Q&A together! Your conversations are the best of all of your interviews and I love his enthusiasm and intelligent questions. I really can’t believe he is gone. This is the saddest news. May he rest in peace.
Oh my gosh! How incredibly sad. May he rest peacefully.
This is such sad news. I always enjoyed your educational conversations and I followed his channel as well. May he rest in peace.
I so agree on this Christs. Doug educated us about cults and cult leaders,
but with his interviews he also taught us interesting new things about HG. I will not forget that.