Doug Kramer
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I’m so sorry to hear about this. I really got a lot out of the videos the two of you did together. Sorry for your loss; and for all of us.
After listening to HG’s video on YouTube about the impact Doug had on him, I thought about the impact that Doug had on me.
Doug Scott Kramer was a brave and kind man, who was compelled to speak out and educate others about the cult of Scientology. His own painful life experiences compelled him to make videos to talk about his own life in order to enlighten others.
As a result of Doug’s brave endeavours, I learned that Scientology is not a religion. It’s a scam. He lifted the veil that Scientology uses to hide its real purpose. I learned that Scientology is based on nothing more than horseshit (to use Doug’s words) and insidious manipulations and mindgames. Doug talked about aliens inhabiting the bodies of humans, thetans, whatever that means, and so-called SPs, which I learned stands for ‘suppressive people’.
Doug said, and I believe him, that Scientology is aimed at making money and exploiting well-meaning people. Once individuals are ensnared in this cult, they are trapped. Doug explained that to escape from its clutches, he had to embark on an arduous, lonely and life-threatening journey.
Doug Kramer was a hero to speak out about it.
To add to Doug’s legacy, here is a link to a clip from South Park’s episode about Scientology, titled, ‘Trapped in the Closet’. It’s hilarious.
Vale Doug Scott Kramer.
Doug, here’s to your memory and thank you for being a friend to many.
When I first came across your work, HG, I reached out to Doug. We lived not too far from one another and I hoped to meet directly with someone who understood Narcissism in your paradigm. I sent him my empath detector so he could see I was a verified Empath (ha!). He was quite busy and was not interested, which I respected of course. But I will always wish I had met him, shook his hand and commiserated over coffee. Thank you, HG, for introducing us all to Doug Kramer.
Your tribute is the best I’ve heard to date, H G. Yours made me finally be able to cry. What you said was straight forward and beautiful. I really enjoyed your videos with Doug. What a loss his passing is!
Thank you.
Hi HG,
Some questions regarding your video ‘How Doug impacted me’.
1. You mentioned that Doug never threatened your control, and therefore remained painted white.
Do you prefer to comprise your primary and secondary sources of people who never threaten your control?
2. Do you ever enjoy your control being threatened (by either primary, secondary, tertiary, or the last one whose name escapes me), as you find it entertaining to issue a corrective devaluation?
3. You mentioned that you benefited from discussing things with Doug that were unrelated to your work as HG Tudor because it satiated your boredom.
Is this how you experience enjoyment of someone’s company, and if you were not a narcissist, be what we consider friendship?
As always, thanks in advance!
1. With regard to the primary, I like it when they fight in devaluation. With secondary sources, compliance is preferred but occasional impertinence amuses. It never proves problematic.
2. Naturally.
3. In essence, yes.
Reflection upon your past courses of action is not something you readily engage in
If you can, please try not to regard this question in terms of regret, but as a philosophical alternative for a hypothetical timeline.
Let’s say you knew Doug’s departure from earth was imminent.
Would you have considered introducing yourself to him as your primary identity, even if just once to shake hands and say hello to him, without the cloak of HG Tudor?
If it served a purpose for you?
Perhaps the immense outpouring of positive fuel this would have garnered.
He was so sweet, and extremely in awe of you; he would have felt very moved and honored.
Thank you HG
If I deemed that it served a purpose without hindering other matters then logically that would be something that could have happened. However, I do not see that it would have served a purpose which went beyond those matters which I can achieve anyway without having taken such a step.
It would have been a gift from you to him. I could see how much he liked you, was amazed by you, how you understood where he came from. I think you did quite a bit of healing for him, which is a gift in itself.
And that healing was not just for Doug, I can say it helped me, too. And I guess more people also.
After 3 years of therapy, my therapist is professional, but therefore she must keep a bit of a distance and must choose her words wisely.
She was prohibited to tell me: “Dear Brenda, this is a narc, leave.”
She left it to me, hinting here and there, but if you are still learning to trust yourself, this is very hard. I learned in the end, rapidly.
Your direct way of speech opened my eyes. You and Doug touched diverse subjects, it was fun to listen to and a few lightbulbs were turned on. So thank you.
You are welcome, I am pleased that the exchanges proved useful to you.
This is such a beautiful tribute to Doug, Mr. Tudor. Thank you for answering so many of or questions. Yes, Doug made his mark on the world and it was beautiful mark, indeed. I’m sorry you lost your friend. May he rest easy.
Shocked and saddened to hear this news. It was clear your friendship meant a lot to him, HG. I would never have known of Doug if not for you and your channel. I’m so glad I got a chance to enjoy your interactions and the wisdom being shared. Your eulogy on his passing was beautifully given. May he RIP.
I came across a video he put up previously on his channel of what Doug called his “Journey Through Hollywood” and it’s an enjoyable compilation of his Hollywood acting roles. A side of Doug I hadn’t seen before and which highlights another aspect of the contribution he made:
https://youtu.be/yJExpuz1hrE?si=NjD_wdULKuXOiZ5l
Aww, bless Doug. LET, thank you so much for sharing the link and I watched it. I liked how Doug put it together. I especially, especially liked (in fact, I loved it!), his “disclaimer” note in his video description, it was like a ‘fk YT’ and it sounds so much like Doug. xx
Dear Doug: Your kind yearning eyes said it all. It took simply one direct glance in the camera to show….You cared. Your gentle nod of the head when listening and your calm but determined manner of speech demonstrated…. you cared. Your California drawl and swag giving a seemingly laid back attitude “ about it all “ but no sir…. you cared. You pushed and pulled and jumped and crawled and scratched and clawed past your past and started a channel to pave an easier road for others to take, to leave a cult. And guess what? One look into your eyes while you discussed your stand … they knew you would hold their hand the entire way out. They would not be alone. No sir….. You cared. You respected your guests and viewers like a Southern gent but you were a cast in stone or ocean sand LA man. You dedicated yourself to societal change. You made a difference. Brave, my friend. Yes, Brave, my friend. May I call you friend? This question Doug asked HG. May I call you friend? I ask now. Perhaps a bit too late. I should have asked earlier. May I say I will miss you without having met you? I didn’t know you at all but I knew you instantly as a man who cared… a man who cared… And there is no higher ability, no higher gain, no higher place….then that: To love and to be loved. Well yes Doug, you were, so very loved. How do I know? It took one glance at those kind soulful eyes to know who you were, the kind of man people loved. They would follow and they did hand in hand to the eternal source.
Contagious,
I enjoyed reading your comment. Beautifully written and very apt. Thank you.
Dear Mr Tudor,
I was so moved by your most respectful and honourable memoriam to this truly lovely and courageous individual. Thank you Mr Tudor.
I have had a certain involvement with Scientology over the last 45 years, so I felt a connection with Doug and understood some of his story.
Our ‘deal ol friend’s’ daughter (ironically enough, an artist) became a member and still is. It destroys families, friends and sucks the blood from everyone. They create so much stress and havoc. They con money out you, lie to your face, steal, go behind your back and change the person they once were, they become the ugly version of themselves. Brainwashing is an understatement. It is filled with hypocrisy. Once the blinkers are on, they are so hardwired to get them off. She has ended up an on n off again alcoholic, smokes like a chimney and yet, won’t take painkillers because of the church. Once, a beautiful female with the world at her feet, then became a crippling ageing woman, who’s suddenly manouvered her way back into her family to have them run around after her, yet again, because she has no friends. The family are back to picking up more pieces (until she’s finished using and abusing them) and then she will be off again. You can’t talk to Scientologists, they have an answer for everything. They’re so angry and snap at anything.
We all thought she was going to die a long time ago.
Doug’s legacy will continue, more than he ever expected. The struggles and fight are now over. Another precious soul gone. Sleep well, dear Doug and thank you.
Thank you so much for making this. It was very good of you, Sir. It was incredibly interesting and invaluable to listen to you explain your reaction to the news of Doug’s passing. Thank you for sharing that.
HG, I loved this video tribute. So beautiful, moving and candid. Thank you for this. I’m so glad Doug always called you his friend. In so many ways you are a friend to us all, and we thank you and Doug for all you shared with us, and for opening our eyes and minds. Thank you so much.
HG,
Your tribute to Doug was a lovely gesture.
Further, your video on Doug’s impact on you was educational and what I expected – yet, in addition, it conveyed…what I can only name as..respect (?) that you felt towards Doug’s role in your life.
Oddly enough, it was the latter that provided the most closure, so thank-you for that.
What a soul Doug had. His life is a remember of overcoming adversity. His work with HG is only part of his legacy. May he find more peace and answers that alluded him in this world. Doug was a gift to all of us.
HG, you created a beautiful video! Everything in this recording is in its place.
What emerges here is the image of Doug as a very lonely man 🙁 Men cannot cope with loneliness very well. Much worse than women. Unfortunately, they often die prematurely.
Oh, those are damn cigarettes!* And yet, I smile when I remember this moment of your last recording. Doug lit a cigarette with such enthusiasm, like a young rebel, who felt the wind of freedom 🙂 He relaxed only for a moment, and then he became consternation and you could see, that he was confused by his decision 🙂 This scene enchanted me – as if from behind the curtain of his smile, he showed a piece of himself 🙂
Your live recording formula was very interesting – it’s a pity you didn’t manage to record more videos together…
I’m worried about possible pets, Doug’s dogs (if he had any). Whenever someone dies, I worry about the defenseless beings (children, animals) they leave behind…
Rest in peace, wherever you are now.
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*(I also smoke and I definitely won’t stop, too much pleasure).
Thank you so very much for this, HG. I look forward to your video about your response to his passing.