Knowing the Narcissist : Sadistic Streak

SADISTIC-STREAK

 

You could be forgiven for thinking that all of our kind are sadists. From your perspective, much of our behaviour, if not all, makes no sense and therefore it could be argued that to behave in the manner that we do must mean that we are all sadists. That is an understandable proposition. After all, if one day a person is kind to you and then the next is nasty to you when you have given them no reason to behave like that, then surely such behaviour is sadistic is it not? The behaviour has no grounding in any logic, the nastiness is manifesting just for the hell of it, is it not? Are we then not deriving pleasure from your hurt and discomfort and therefore that must makes us sadists?

A true or pure sadist is one who derives pleasure from the sadistic act. This often manifests in a sexual arena in that the act of sadism is acted out in a sexual engagement or the sadist becomes sexually aroused from the sadistic act (which may not be sexual in nature). Accordingly, a sadist may derive sexual pleasure from flagellating a bound and gagged individual. Similarly, a sadist may become sexually aroused from murdering the pet kitten of someone else.

Those of you have familiarity with my works will understand that from the narcissistic perspective, what we do is not done solely for pleasure (indeed we do not experience pleasure in the way that you understand it.) but rather it is done for the purposes of gaining fuel. It is our need for fuel which is the driver behind all of our behaviours because the emotional response of another provides us with the validation that we desperately require to fill up the void which exists inside of us.

The acquisition of fuel occurs in many, many arenas. It might be gaining a smile from an appreciative stranger as get in a lift with them, from the tears of our partner who is crying after we have held them by the throat and described how much we hate them or from them ecstatic groans of our lover as we provide them with orgasmic relief. In each instance, fuel is what flows, fuel is the aim and fuel is what is required.

All of our kind receives fuel from the emotional response of others. We do not feel joy from inflicting pain on you because we do not feel joy. Your pained expression provides fuel. It could be tears, it could be a smile, it could be laughter. As long as there is an emotional response then we gain fuel.

When you are hurt from our manipulations this is a by product of our need to gain fuel. It is a collateral consequence. Our lack of empathy means that we do not care that you are hurt. However, it goes further than this. The reduced cognitive function of the Lesser (and to some degree the lower echelons of the Mid-Ranger) means that not only do they not care that you are being hurt, they do not know you are being hurt. They see an emotional reaction and that provides fuel (although of course they do not know the mechanics of that operation). They cannot recognise the pain. I appreciate this will be rather hard for some people to grasp – how can he not know I am hurt when I am telling him so and he sees my face twisted in pain and the tears spilling down my face? The fact is, those members of our brethren neither care nor know. Thus when you are manipulated it is done purely for the fuel, it is not done primarily to hurt you. This is cold comfort nevertheless as the outcome remains the same. You are hurt.

Where we have a sadistic streak (and this is more prevalent with the upper echelons of the Mid-Range and the Greater Narcissist) we know we are hurting you and we do not care. The knowledge of your hurt adds further fuel. Accordingly, your emotional response which we witness provides us with the fuel (in the same way as a Lesser or lower echelon Mid-Ranger would) but the knowledge you are being hurt and we are causing this, provides  us with extra potent fuel.

A sadist behaves in the way that he or she does purely for the sake of pleasure. We do not do it. If we have a sadistic streak then we deploy it in our machinations for two purposes:-

  1. The provision of extra-potent fuel as described above; and
  2. For the purposes of punishment and revenge.

Our aim, through this sadism, is not solely pleasure but rather the reinforcement of our superiority. Not all of our kind wish to punish, hence, they have no sadistic streak. The Mid-Ranger who has lost his primary source will feel fury for this transgression but he is far more likely to direct his energies to applying an Initial Grand Hoover to get you back and reinstate the golden period. He has no urge to punish you. Even if that IGH fails, he will then focus on recruiting a new primary source and he will leave you alone. There may be benign follow-up hoovers when he devalues the new primary source, but there is still no desire to punish you He may be looking to ‘win you back’ or just gain positive fuel. If this fails, he may not apply a malign hoover, but instead will leave you be before returning at a later juncture with another benign hoover (if conditions are right).

If you have been discarded by a Lesser but you keep trying to find out why he has discarded you, he will apply malign hoovers. This is not done as an act of revenge, but is rather done to make you stay away so he can focus on his new primary source and so you will not spoil this golden period by telling lies (the truth) about him to the new primary source. He wants you deleted and the malign hoovers are a response to your interference.

If you find yourself in a situation where you know that your particular narcissist has a new primary source, you are doing nothing to enter the spheres of influence but your narcissist will not leave you alone and is applying malign hoovers against you, this is evidence of the sadistic streak. It manifests as a malicious obsession which causes you to enter the sixth sphere of influence (see the relevant section in What is Making Him Come Back? ) and then the Hoover Execution Criteria are met.

The relevant narcissist may not actually receive any Proximate Fuel from you as you are treated to these malign hoovers because he cannot see your reactions, so you may wonder, why would he do this? The reasons are as follows:-

  1. The sadistic streak means that he is willing to sacrifice the fuel he is gaining from the new primary source to carry out this sadistic, malign campaign against you. Usually, the narcissist will want to gorge on this positive fuel from the new primary source and keep his attention on this person, but where there is a sadistic streak, he is willing to use some of this fuel to power the malicious campaign against you as the discarded or escaped former primary source.
  2. The sadistic behaviour allows for the provision of Thought Fuel as the sadistic narcissist contemplates your terrified reactions and it is his perception of how you feel (even though he cannot see it and thus it is not Proximate Fuel) . Ordinarily, a non-sadistic narcissist would not bother to apply the energy to gain this weaker Thought Fuel but a sadistic narcissist will do so.
  3. Our superiority is maintained by doling out punishment and revenge. A non-sadistic narcissist would seek that reinforcement with a new primary source (because it is easier to gain that positive fuel from them and to focus on them solely). The demands of the sadistic narcissist are such that he requires this ratification and validation from both current primary source (positive fuel) and discarded former primary source (negative Thought Fuel and the power felt from the application of revenge).

Accordingly, when you are entangled with a narcissist, so that the Formal relationship is continuing and you are being devalued, and he exhibits sadistic behaviours towards you, this is for the purposes of gaining extra potent fuel. If the sadism occurs post escape or discard, this is done to punish you. If Proximate Fuel arises, so much the better but if it does not, this is not a massive concern to the sadistic narcissist because we are willing to sacrifice the fuel gained from another source in order to power our desire to achieve revenge over you.

Since you look at matters from your perspective and not ours, you may find it difficult to truly distinguish when sadistic behaviour is being used against you during the Formal Relationship. It is, however, at its most recognisable when you have escaped us or have been discarded. If you know we have a new primary source but there is a campaign of hurtful behaviour being used against you – slashing the tyres on your car, putting bricks through your windows, posting unsavoury comments about you online, handing outflyers accusing you of child abuse and such like – this is the sadism being manifested. This is not a smear because the smearing happens prior to your discard (so we have got in first) or if you have escaped, the smear will happen before we get another primary source. The key determining factor in knowing that you are facing a sadistic narcissist is that we have a new primary source and instead of relishing solely in the golden period with them, we are lashing out at you again and again.

8 thoughts on “Knowing the Narcissist : Sadistic Streak

  1. Dani says:

    Mr. Tudor–

    1. What are your observations regarding the factors that drive a sadistic individual toward being more psychologically sadistic vs those more likely to be physically sadistic?
    With the Lucy Letby and Virginia McCullough videos you’ve put up, YouTube (in its wisdom) opted to show me titles like “how to spot x.” (where x is violent criminal of some sort). I know some violent offenders have contacted victims afterward to gloat…and sometimes they escalate to murder. Whereas others don’t…they start with the physical violence already extreme and they aren’t interested in mind games.
    2. Will you please make a video highlighting the warning signs that someone is the victim of someone likely to become a killer? You said you did get someone away from someone who went on to kill.
    3. Is the perpetrator with the top quality facade–loving family man, popular at church, police officer, etc–are they the more likely to be psychopaths?
    4. Assuming the criminal is also a cop and they’re called in to investigate their crime–what’s going through their head if they’re a psychopath or narcissist? I know that some spies in relevant organizations have been put in charge of finding themself essentially.
    5. Amongst those who commit criminal acts and are psychopaths–are the self-aware more likely to be in the fraud/financial schemes/”white collar crime” and the unaware more likely to be involved in violent crimes?

    Thank you so much for your time! Much appreciation!

  2. Allison says:

    I’m so thankful you posted this again, HG. It’s prompted many considerations for me about my experiences in childhood that I didn’t have before. I can’t believe the difference reading this now. Your wisdom, generosity and timing are deeply meaningful to me. I feel a little shaken, but I feel stronger. Thank you.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome.

      1. Contagious says:

        Good morning HG:

        I am watching The Cage and thanks to you, I can’t watch a movie without thinking about your education. And they told me at law school it would change me forever, lol. Anyway, the mother is a narc. Her method is zero validation of the son and extreme selfishness. He can’t win, he needs to quit and give her money, when he becomes a contender then she asks him to lose so she can win at gamblers by. She has a partner she values, not her son. She never even bothers to say well done at anything.

        1. Why do some mother narcs do that?

        2. Is it control? Keep the man done?

        3. Trump said that his father was good as some fathers compete with their sons and must win. Trump said his dad was not like that and his dad was proud of him and he was the same way with his sons. If true then men are the same. I saw it with my ex husband, and he saw it, he even said that she undermined every single thing or tried to destroy it so the focus was on her. The dependency was on her. She controlled him. And while you can see the lack of love, why does the child always seek it from this dead parent? ( ET)
        4. This dependency or need for approval from a selfish unloving withholding self pitying horrible “ mom” is the dependency for approval co-dependency or can any empath class have it?
        4. Finally, if it were me, I would RUN from that man in the movie who also is selfish and callous. My mother is normal and depending on who she is with can like this woman can be subservient to a man. She was born in the 40s. Is that an excuse like say other cultures to not be fully attentive to your child if the man in your life is a narc? I say fully as they play both sides trying to balance their love for their child and the demanding needs of a narc. ( not in the movie, she was all for the man, cold)
        5. Does that make them a narc by proxy?
        6. And let’s say the mother was an empath or normal taken hostage by a narc, what should an adult child do?

        7. Similar question, what if she is a co-dependent, gave birth with a normal or empath but found herself later in life with a narc? Is there anything an adult child can do to break that chain and find a place with his or her mother? I have seen similar threads when a child who some parent had a good relationship but meets a narc?

        Tough ones!

        Thanks HG if you respond!!!

        To be honest, since it’s cage fighting, I just want to KO these so called mothers….they don’t earn the title “ mother.” And I don’t trust myself in a room alone with them.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          1. An absence of emotional empathy and the narcissism deeming it necessary with regard to the achievement of the prime aims.
          2. Control is always a consideration with regard to any interaction between the narcissist and an appliance. I do not understand your second sentence.
          3. Trump’s observation may be a revision of history.
          4. The need for approval can be found across all divisions of individual.
          5. I do not understand the point you are making.
          6. You cannot be a narcissist by proxy.
          7. One would need more information on the circumstances before providing observations on the best course of action.
          8. The appropriate response is GOSO.

      2. Contagious says:

        One more question HG:

        1. Can you be a normal forget empath in boxing?

        2. Are most boxers narcs?

        3. Are boxers often psychopaths?

        4. Same question but MMA. Narcs most?

        5. MMA : psychopaths?

        6. Any normals in MMA?

        7. Why did Tyson fight Jake paul?

        We aren’t talking about golf.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          1. Yes.
          2. No.
          3. No.
          4. No.
          5. No.
          6 Plenty
          7. Money.

          1. Contagious says:

            Thank you HG! I am pleased that boxing is just like any sport! I assume the “ tiger eyes” and aggression is just part of it all and the fact that they physically fight is all part of the members love of the game. Kind of like the military. Aggression, fighting – does not equate to Narc. Good to know!

            I agree 100% $$$

            I appreciate your response HG! X

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