The Absolute Truth With HG Tudor
If you were granted three questions, three delicious, probing and forensic questions which you could ask HG Tudor and he had to provide you with the absolute truth by way of answer, what would those three questions be?
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Dear Mr Tudor,
Narcissists can’t and don’t tell the absolute truth ! Haha
I only have one encompassing question, basic, simple and straightforward
What do you know as fact or what is your perception, thoughts and ideas of what is taking place in relation to the takeover of the western world, which includes:-
WHO (the people involved)
WHAT (the event or action)
WHEN (the time )
WHERE (the location )
WHY (the reason)
but most importantly
HOW (the manner or method) ?
Many thanks for the opportunity Mr Tudor
Bubbles: read up on who the top 2% of the world is and what they own. Land. Corporations. Find out what percent of the land and corporate wealth is owned by the top 2%. Get names. Find out who they donate to in politics and how much ( bought and sold). No democracy no matter what the party. It’s not the Illuminati but a small percent of people who hoard money and can’t get enough power. Now some of THEIR policies you might like. The Koch brothers ( billionaires in USA who greenlight Republicans. Oil and gas rich) have long wanted to end abortion rights. They got it with Trump. The owner of Google gave Trump 3 billion in stock, the Middle East has been very generous. But if a Democrat, the same. Some say worse. But use your phone and look it up if you don’t believe me. It’s shocking to think everything we buy from gas to groceries to Amazon goes to so few.
Dearest Contagious,
Thank you for your insightful information lovely. Ohhhh I definitely believe you !!!! I came across the Cargill -MacMillan family recently (lovely bunch of people they are )
If only these big corporations, people n such paid tax 🤣 (that’ll never happen)
Everything with these big potatoes, is shocking, yet, it’s still not enough for them! How much is enough ?
Is this birthday a milestone year?
And I have to think on the other two questions…
Great question, WC!
Hello Leigh,
If you read more carefully the description of this article, he hasn’t said, actually, that he is going to reply to our questions. It’s all “if”. It’s not like we have cornered him with questions and he has nowhere to run. He could choose to answer or not. You know how it’s with a narcissist, always vague, obscure and double meaning. He may even say a classic narcissistic phrase : “I have never said that” (I am going to answer). I might be wrong, will see.
Hi Arya,
Yes, I know. I’ve been on the blog a long time and I’m aware that this is a manipulation. I think I’d classify it as a mix between future faking & promised gains.
Can you blame a girl for trying though, lol?!
Leigh,
I wouldn’t say that it’s future-faking or promised gain. HG doesn’t promise anything, he just wants to know what we would ask him. Nothing more. I see it purely as an information-gathering exercise for him, completely separate and unconnected to getting the questions answered. Whether he will ever answer, that is for him to decide. I will not feel betrayed or disappointed if he never does, because to me he has deliberately not created that expectation. But when he is deciding which topic to address next in an article or video, these questions may prove quite useful. In addition, many questions reveal much about the people asking them.
Hi AP,
These are all fair observations and really good points. I say future faking and promised gains because there was a moment when I thought I might get answers. For me, he did create an expectation.
Will I feel betrayed or disappointed if he never does supply any answers? Not at all.
I did realize he was gathering information but there was still hope that he would provide us with answers as well. Often times Mr. Tudor does things that benefit us while serving his purpose. His whole legacy is built on that. So I didn’t think it was a far stretch to hope he’d do the same here.
If it’s got HG’s birthday in it, it always is a milestone year!
Logic prevails.
You charmer! That gets you a Happy 27th birthday!
Haha, AP & HG!
This is great! The wise and considered thing would be to sleep on this, but I’ll shoot from the hip instead:
1) Do you disguise your voice in different settings?
2) Have you considered changing your ways in relation to ‘romantic’ and sexual machinations, given your insight, self awareness and onset of maturity? For example: a fleeting notion that your energy, time and fuel acquiring talents could be redirected into something better (to you)? I imagine *not* because relationship fuel is juicy and sexual energy is a strong fuel after all! Emotional energy too.
3) I remember you mentioned ending lives with your own hand – when someone has deserved it – this was part of your remembrance of Doug, Dazed but not Confused. Would this be in a military context and-or hit man and-or secret service? *gulp*
1. What are your 3 favorite books (that are not your own books), 3 favorite movies, and 3 favorite songs?
Ha! See how I got a lot out of one question?
2. Are you actually an Enlightened Empath/Ultra Narcissist Hybrid, like if God and Satan were one?
1. Will you marry me at Bran Castle? 😉
🧛♂️ 👸🏻
Hello HG:
1. Why are contagions lower down the list to ensnare by you?
2. Do you think journalists are more often than not to be narcissists? ( save Santa’s elves dominion lol)
3. Psychopaths suffer from emptiness does your fuel from narcissism address the psychopaths emptiness at all?
Thanks!
I think the answer to number one is that you can sniff them out faster. I sniff them out too but my love for them overrides it.
Majority contagion simply falters down faster in terms of fuel provision. Not potent enough.
Also keep in mind that contagions are often into the spiritual/new age and the touchy-feely stuff and HG can’t stand that. The guru narcs prefer contagions. HG prefers the down to earth appliances not the Märtha Louises. The IPPS of HG must be presentable and capable of making an impression in an intellectual way and have class (somatic and cerebral). The spiritual aspect contagions often put their emphasis on is not a plus in the circles of intellectuals HG moves in. At least I can’t see a contagion harmoniously fit into HG’s requirements which an IPPS must fulfill for him, I shall say. Super or Codependent as an IPPS makes the most sense, absolutely.
Whilst I have no doubt that HG can ensnare anyone but they also must fulfill the purpose of his requirements which has to do with his facade management. She must be capable of being amongst people and not start to feel too much, faltering down and leaving the party because it overwhelms her, you know. Or lose her attention span or become distracted and sad by being moved too much because of a,b,c,d and not fulfilling her purpose of facade management and fuel provision.
Hey my lovely Jordyguin: Agreed. Super and Co-d are his type but also of course Magnet are the empaths he loves too! I have listed all of his IPSS over the years. HG does love magnets. I would add that contagions are spiritual if not religious. If you put God first, Say Jesus first, you aren’t putting HG first. That’s why the Guru. Some might make their Guru their God. Oh the fuel then. Plus we tend to withdraw, run versus submit or explode. Runners aren’t good fuel. He did say our insightfulness can be a reason for Greaters to target. ??? Oh to assist that Guru! lol In general I am a narc repellant. I deal with them in work but not personally or in my family. I did fall in love with a LMR narc and spent 12 years with him. What an eye opener! And I was married 7 years to a pure psychopath but it was great overall. Not until the divorce did I have any real issue. Of course I married a wealthy criminal. He had a front. I didn’t learn until later. I am not immune to their kind:)
Contagious,
Mr. Tudor has said when I asked him about his second preference for school…contagion. His second preference for cadre is martyr. I do not recall where that was asked or answered immediately.
Magnet super is how he has usually phrased his stated preference. Magnet card is the most critical. Then super. I wonder if a standard with higher magnet cadre would be preferred to a super with less…just something that makes Dani wonder.
Rebecca and Allison,
You both asked “what do you plan to do with me?”
I don’t think I completely understand what you’re getting at with that. But I feel compelled to ask…
What do you wish for Mr. Tudor to do with you?
What do you predict will be done to you?
*steps back through a curtain, vanishing with a whisper*
I’m glad you asked, Dani because I was wondering the same thing!
Hi Dani,
I can only speak for myself, but HG knows what I mean by the question….and I’ll leave it at that. Xx
Rebecca,
That’s a fair answer to part of the query. You know how curious I am…I will survive…
xDD
Asking for a friend:
In a scenario where God exists, what would be HG Tudor’s three questions to the Creator?
1. What is the name of the first ancestor of yours which you are aware of?
2. What is the question you wanted to ask Sloane?
3. What is the entire content in that safe and what is the story of each item and meaning to you?
Hi HG,
1) What is your favorite part of building your legacy?
2) Do we, bloggers, irritate, entertain, bore or fascinate you more, or something else if you have a better descriptor?
3) You have mentioned that you have certain routines, regular haircuts and exercise for example. Are those part of your psychopathy more than your narcissism or unrelated to either?
Thank you!
Hi AV!
I love number 2! I hope we entertain Mr. Tudor!
Haha Leigh, I expect it’s a mixture of those and probably more! But entertaining would be a nice one to read!
Before I ask these questions, I want to say that the blog world you’ve created is incredibly special and I feel honored to be a part of it. Thank you for creating this space.
I’ve heard you say that you think using benign manipulations are more effective in acquiring the prime aims and the necessary triad. I believe you accumulate us and then study us in order to acquire our empathic traits, which helped you become more effective. Am I correct?
I don’t need to know your true identity. Even if I did, I think I’d still see you as Mr. Tudor. I really want an opportunity to see you though. If a meeting in person is not feasible, would you consider a video call with The Tudorites so we can see your face?
As always, I seek your approval so this last question is about me. Based on my comments on the blog, do you think I have a solid understanding of narcissism?
Leigh, a video call!!! I like it. But would we also have to be on the video call… Not all of us have been seen by Mr. Tudor.
Hi Dani,
Its really about seeing Mr. Tudor so I can have a picture of him in my head. I bounce back from visualizing Daniel Craig & Mr. Tudor’s legs, lol. I wanted to share so everyone would have an opportunity to see him too.
If one of the Tudorites chooses not to be seen, they can keep their video off.
Daniel Craig with long tan legs…clad in tangerine board shorts.
I would enjoy seeing his hands playing the piano. I think it would nice. And potentially more probable to happen in the near future.
Dani,
You got my imagination going into overdrive! 😄😄xx
I think taller than Daniel C🤔
I read all the questions that were written here, they are excellent. And in principle, if there are answers to them, then there is no point in repeating them.
1) In more detail about the creation of this site, the idea and everything connected with it and how everything is organized: maybe there is a team, etc. (well, there are a lot of sub-items in this question)
2) With whom do you live now (And imagine, in this point we will find out about children. I remember that you wrote that no. But as they say, trust, but verify)?
3) If you had the opportunity to become an empath, would you take advantage of it? (still a little echoes point 2 from Allison)
So again # 3) Do you like living this life? (or let’s say: Do you feel good most of the time?)
Now if you answer “no” to point 3. Here the doctor will come into play, with his three questions)) These are two different Josephines. (By the way, I was just thinking, what if I had several personalities, each of them could ask three questions?…. 😊)
1) What benefit did you get from therapy (apart from what you talk about in the video, about manipulation)?
2) Do you think the world needs both narcissists and empaths, or would the world be a better place without one of these two categories?
3) Is everything written on this site true?
I admit honestly, it’s really hard for me to read everything written by H.G. Tudor. Because I have a lot of “flashbacks”. It’s painfully familiar. Each article generates a stream of memories of things I prefer never to remember.
It’s written superbly, H.G. is a genius. If English were my native language, I would buy all his books (I have a large library). I’m actually thinking about printing out the translations of many of the articles here for myself and making a folder. And if suddenly it gets “carried away”, reread it to come to your senses.
Sometimes these terrible monstrous thoughts, dictated by emotional thinking, just come to mind out of the blue: (this happens extremely rarely, apparently, when everything accumulates and then some old wounds open up).
Such thoughts, for example, as:
“What if it was with you that something was wrong, but he is still happy with her?”
“It doesn’t matter how he understands marriage. It doesn’t matter that he calls what he calls fuel. But still, he married her, not you. He wanted a child from her, but not from you”
“The institution of marriage has long since collapsed. Everyone cheats on each other (a matter of time). What if you could be with him despite all his betrayals, but at the same time knowing that he will still come back to you until the end of his life. What if any life with him is better than without him?)
And so on…
On days like these (thankfully they happen rarely) I open the site and read what H.G. Tudor writes and to all the doubts that arise I say to myself: “He has no reason to lie. Trust him. Pull yourself together. Be glad and grateful that you got off relatively easy. Believe in the best. Everything will work out. Someday the day will come when most of the people around you will not be narcissistic. It is possible. And if not – then just fucking humbly accept your fate and stop whining.”
That is why I am very grateful to you, H.G. Tudor, for what you do. I am truly afraid to imagine what would have happened if I had not found this site (considering that my whole life, as I consciously remember it, has been associated with narcissists).
You are saving my life (without a doubt). I have never had the opportunity to speak so openly on this topic before, not because they did not listen, but because they did not understand.
P.S.
And imagine what if H.G. ever reveals his identity and it turns out to be something completely unexpected… that will shock us. Something that we can’t expect at all… some IT guy from Russia living with his mother!))))
I had many versions… there are one worse than the other, from what can be written here, “what if H.G. is a famous writer, and he just launched this project under a pseudonym?”
Or he is like Satoshi Nakamoto, his identity will remain a mystery to us, he will simply stop communicating one day…
Interesting questions Leigh, in response to No 2. I also wrote a reply to contagious to something different but then got distracted and I didn’t send. I forget where it was and what it was about exactly but you’re Number 2 reminded me of my response at least lol
In learning about Ns, I used to think we definitely needed them, awful as they can be, they are good decision makers (well the greaters and ultra) and get things done. But… more recently I learned about Banobo chimps and so I’ve completely changed my mind.
In summary banobo chimps are a cousin of the chimp. When the Congo was shallow and narrow, thousands of years ago. All chimps lived together in their own little communities. Chimps don’t like swimming. Over time, the Congo deepened and widened and the chimps got cut off from each other eventually. So some lived on the north of the river and others on the south.
Those in the north had lots of predators and the gorillas also lived there and ate a lot of the food, in order to survive the chimps had to develop aggressive behaviour and their dna changed over thousands of years until the chimps most of us know about can be playful and loving but also very aggressive and selfish. Whilst those on the south of the river (banobos) had few predators, no gorilas and tbe food was plentiful so they didn’t need to develop many of these traits. Over a couple of thousands of years their dna changed and the banobo chimps are highly empathic primates, they care for each other, welcome and share with other communities of banobos when they come across them. They are never aggressive and have never hurt others just for the fun of it. It’s also a matriarchal society so the males have to be liked by the females or they get kicked out of the group, snd the females all stick together, if a male gets too frisky with a female, the women all address it together. so the males readily comply. based on this, whilst unlikely for our future, some dna changes, a bit of hope, put the women in charge and yes it can be successful and harmonious.
I love this story, Alexis! But these aren’t my questions, they’re Josephina’s questions. This is a fantastic view though!
AlexisSmith2016 I liked everything about the Banobo story, except for the “matriarchal society”. In this regard, to be honest, I am skeptical))
“In learning about Ns, I used to think we definitely needed them, awful as they can be, they are good decision makers (well the greater and ultra) and get things done. But… more recently I learned about Banobo chimps and so I’ve completely changed my mind.”
It seems to me that I can only draw conclusions about those with whom I constantly encounter, well, this is reasonable.In medicine: they are highly effective.
No unnecessary emotions, a cool head, accuracy, speed of making the right decisions. Where others get lost, they do it. In medicine, this is important, since the price of delay can be someone’s life.
Thanks to their developed cognitive empathy, they can find an approach to virtually any patient. I remember one of my psychologist colleagues told me about a psychiatrist colleague (who is a narcissist), that she blurted out during supervision when they were talking about clients’ feelings: “I have no idea what they feel. And I don’t care. I just know what they want to hear and I give it to them.” At the same time, it’s so scary to read numerous rave reviews about her: “She is such a sensitive, empathic doctor”, “She is the most understanding of all those I have met. She is a kind, sympathetic person”, “This is a doctor who really cares about your problems” and so on. How good it is that patients do not see and do not know who she really is. And how “cleverly” she got rid of all competitors, moving up the career ladder, not disdaining any methods … A monster in a skirt. There should be only one “star”. There was a day when her little hands got to me.
Until recently, I have not seen them screw up in the profession. In my personal life – always without exception, but not in my professional activities. Until recently. Until I found out that there is one child psychiatrist who not only beat his ex-wife half to death, but also hit a child in the hospital, after which he was fired. But this does not prevent him from running a private practice and being a highly sought-after specialist. Therefore, as they say, not all narcissists are the same.
That’s so cool Alexis! Thanks for sharing!
Hello again HG. I’ve chosen my third question .
3. At the time you were born, what was the name of the hospital you and your sister were delivered in? Thank you HG.
Well, if you agreed to answer with the absolute truth I think I’d go personal. Personal questions often reveal more about the questioner than the respondent though, so I’d also have to move to the abstract.
1. In the temple at Delphi, the god did not speak directly, his voice rose through fumes and was communicated through the Pythia. If your inner sanctum was a similar temple, which do you guard more: the God’s fire at its centre, or the veils that prevent others from hearing him too clearly?
2. If your inner sanctum was not a void but a kind of shrine, not empty but sealed to preserve something sacred or volatile. What do you think was locked in first : the pain that preceded detachment, or the detachment that buried the pain?
3. When nothing excites you and no one reflects you, how do you know you are still in play?
I’m also available for dinner parties.
Love your questions, Truthseeker.
Thank you Dani, likewise. Xx
Hello HG, thank you for allowing us inside your mind.
1. If you could travel to any planet in the universe (safely), which planet would you choose?
2. Why would you choose that planet?
3. How do you see the world in 500 years from now?
Thank you again, HG.
Hi Carole,
It’s good to see you again. Hope you’re doing well.
Hello Dani,
Thank you, I do continue my education with HG and visit his various social media sites, I am just not keen on some of the hostility that appears.
I am very well, thank you for asking.
It is good to hear from you, I hope that you are well also. I read your posts with great interest, you have some interesting insights and extremely good questions along with impeccable respect for the Ultra.
Stay safe xx
Carole,
I thank you for your compliments. And I understand what you’re saying.
I’m glad that you’re continuing your education in the way most beneficial to you.
Hello HG. Hope you are well?
1. What was your father’s profession when you lived in Texas?
2. Whose idea was it to move back to the UK, your Fathers or your Mothers? I believe a few years ago you wrote it was your father’s, however did your Mother have a huge influence on that decision?
I still have two questions to ask and have not decided yet which one it will be. I need a little more time to think about it, if that’s is ok with you? Thank you HG.
I need time to think of my questions, Mr. Tudor. I hope thats ok.
It is.
1) what is your true identity?
That answer would answer my next 2 questions.
I would like to know your views around the current contentious issue of immigration and asylum in the UK
If you could have dinner with anyone dead or alive, famous or not, who would it be and why?
What would a perfect day look like for you? (Details please! What would you eat? who would you meet? What would you be doing?)
Hi Witch,
I love your third question!
Its nice to see you commenting again too!
Thank you Leigh
I also want to know hypothetically if HG had a daughter who got kidnapped would he go after them like the dad from taken?
What is HG’s next dream travel destination and what would he want to do there?
If he could travel back in time and change one event, what event would that be and what would he change?
I could think of filthy ones too but I’m trying to be a good person!
Hi Witch, regarding the event that HG would change, my thought was, maybe he’d prevent the unfortunate occurrence that led to the loss of his twin sister.
Lol! I’m sure he’d welcome your naughty questions too!
I love your question about changing one event. That has piqued my interest too. Would it be what happened at the lake?
Question number 1:
Did the stories in ” The Three That Got Away” really happen?
Arya,
Now you have me wondering too!
Hello Leigh,
Actually, I predict he is going to either ignore a question or simply would say “yes”. And I’m content with both outcomes. I just needed to ask it, to “scratch TS trait”, so now I can forget about it. Plus, I’ve already did it during consultation. He replied yes.
It’s not out of blue question, I have a suspicion triggered by smth. And, tbh, now, I’m thinking that I don’t want to know the answer anymore. Lol. Because, in case of yes – it’s heartbreaking. If No- it could potentially mean, that what happened to them, it’s even worse to what he told us.
I would prefer to hear the answer : ” No, not true. They did escape me, all three, put no contact, so I can’t find them to hoover and they probably live a happy life now with another man.” I have serious doubts, he is going to say smth like that.
Arya,
I think what you’re describing is your emotional thinking. Even if iit wasn’t true, Mr. Tudor is still manipulating us because every interaction with a narcissist is a manipulation. But I understand your hope. Have you read the book Manipulation yet? The last line in that book says it all.
Ary, if it helps in some way; the article Forever Wrong Upon the Throne is about one of the two who got away. I may be wrong, but they both played a role contributing to HG’s decision for the legacy, I tend to believe. HG mentioned that albeit there are no favourites there are those who are more memorable…
https://narcsite.com/2023/07/23/knowing-the-narcissist-forever-wrong-upon-the-throne-2/
Only three? 😱
1. as an adult, what are the ten most informative interactions from empaths that you’ve ever had, 5 blog/long distance and 5 in person and how have you used them in future interactions? (Detailed stories, with self analysis of your actions at the end.)
2. What have you learned to advance your goals from your accomplishments through your online presence as HG Tudor, generally and through the ten year anniversary posts?
3. What have you uniquely learned from bloggers that most advanced your self-understanding, enabling you to better help empaths in their dealings with your kind?
Thank you, sir. Much appreciation. I hope all is well.
Mr. Tudor,
I would ask these questions because I wish to help your information spread far and wide, and I think a select portion of your audience/readership would be interested in these answers.
If I was one on one and the answers just for me…I think my questions would change…I would need to think about them… If I were to ask three questions of you that you would willing answer honestly.
I really appreciate all your time spent here on the blog lately. It’s a gift that you read everything. I know it links to the prime aims and necessary triad…but it’s also just nice. I feel like if you didn’t… We would just be adrift in the Narcsite harbor. Your moderation is the anchor. Thank you for everything.
You’re welcome.
Well my first question is, please may I have unlimited questions?
2. Was trump placed there by a greater narc?
3. Is trump made from a wotsit with a quaver stuck on his head? (Sorry, no USA translation for this).
If you permit No1. I’ll come back to you with the most excellent questions which only you as the Ultra are truly deserving of.
Alexis,
I love your humor! This had me laughing my ass off!
Hahah awww thanks Leigh xx
#3 lol!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Ok HG, you’re on.
1. What’s your real name?
2. How old are you?
3. What happened to your darling sister?
Thanking you. xxx
This is so good!
First of all, let me thank you for the sheer endless amount of time you have devoted to the blog, not just in general but especially over recent weeks. You have created so much new material and spent so much time with us here, it feels almost as if you had just plopped yourself down right next to us for a good long chat. I am afraid I am going to have to use a word that has recently experienced a rather unfortunate popularity and inflationary use which has demeaned it considerably. It has been a great joy to have you here so consistently. Saying that it is a pleasure really does not express it properly, because pleasure is too close in meaning to being sufficient, in other languages even more so than in English, and it is far more than that. You have given of yourself very generously to us, not only with your own writing and answering of questions, but also with moderating our comments towards each other. It has not gone unnoticed, so thank you!
As to these questions, I have not been able to find any that would fundamentally alter my attitude towards you. Of course there are many facts and little things that would be very interesting, but they are details, and you ought to have some privacy left with the amount of information you share. That being said, I am curious about this:
When was the last time you treated your IPPS to a manipulation of the kind and gravity of the one described in “It’s Only The Wind”?
Thank you for the compliments AP.
Hi Anna and HG, i had felt that too now you say it, Anna, but having not been here long didn’t have any comparison.
HG, I can’t quite comprehend how you do all your YT videos, spend so much time moderating and commenting here as well as your own life / job etc. thank you!
I was going to ask how you pulled off creation in only 6 days, but then I thought, “Nah.”
Therefore,
1) How do you plan to use our answers?
2) If somehow your nature changed and you found you suddenly had emotional empathy, how would you respond?
3) What do you intend to do with me?
Your initial question had the right balance of flattery and humour.
I aim to please.
I like your questions, Allison.
I always like your questions, Dani.
Dear HG,
Are the questions to be on the blog or can we send them through email? Xx
Blog. That’s where the question was posed.
Thank you, HG xx
Dear HG and Allison,
Allison, I did like your questions, especially number 3, so my first question will be the same as your number 3 question. Xx
HG, here are my 3 questions…
1) I’ve asked you before what you plan on doing with me and I’ll place the question here now…
What do you plan on doing with me?
2) Will you have a meet and greet conference with all of us, who want to attend?
3) With all the knowledge I have learned about you, why am I still so drawn to you?
Thank you for your time and your work. Xx
Re “with all the knowledge I have learned about you, why am I still so drawn to you?”
I hope it’s ok to add my penny’s worth Rebecca.. from my experience… ? I know you asked HG and it will be interesting to hear his response.
I think our ET / addiction to narcissists is related here AND ime, when we’re feeling (to whatever degree) lost as to who we really are, we project / desire a knight (or knightess) in shining armour…
I think the N/Ps clarity and confidence is attractive to us empaths when we can be so self doubting and unsure, so we even overlook the “other stuff”. I notice this in my self sometimes in relation to others but I’m finding the more I heal the less it occurs.
I hope that helps and it’s ok to chip in… (Self doubt lol 😆)
Hi Jade,
Thanks for your comment and I’m aware I have self doubt and a warped view of myself, due to my mother’s conditioning of me while my brain was developing my sense of self.
I’m aware of how psychopaths may act and treat someone, I was raised with a psychopath for a brother and raised by a narc mother.
I’m aware of all this and it doesn’t matter to me. I still don’t change my mind or my feelings of wanting to help HG achieve his goals. I believe his work saves people and I don’t care that HG is a narcissistic psychopath, to me it doesn’t make his work any less important or any less worth spreading and sharing with people who need his work. I’m helping him anyway. I’m drawn to him and I’m drawn to help him.
The question isn’t as simple as it seems, there’s multi parts to it that HG understands what I’m asking, but thank you, Jade, for your input and no worries it didn’t upset me. Xx
Dear HG and Leigh,
I listened to your audio version of THE THREE THAT GOT AWAY and I found it easier to take in listening to you tell it. Your calm voice was soothing to the shock and pain I felt. I appreciate you sharing it and doing the audio version. I’m grateful Leigh recommended I purchase it. Thank you to both, HG and Leigh. Xx
No prob Rebecca, and I agree re HGs work 100%. 👌 it sounds like there’s more to this between you and HG, so all good. 😊
Sorry y’all.. for sticking my 👃in this one! 🫣
Hi Jade,
In reply to your comment about sticking your nose in, you don’t need to apologize. This is an open blog and your comments are welcomed.
I appreciate that comment so much Leigh. I went into a bit of a spiral about that lol. I am learning to say more but like a lot of us here, I’m hyper vigilant too, I get these social anxiety type post mortems (a lot less than I used to thankfully). I knew it was “my stuff” that was triggered really but 😅 Anyway, THANK YOU! 🥰
Jade,
I thought you might be overthinking because you thought you might’ve crossed a line.
In my opinion, since this is an open forum, anything anyone writes is open for discussion. Its ok that you put your penny’s worth in. I do it all the time, lol.
Thanks Leigh. Yup, that’s it.. I know it logically. It’s taking practice to come out of hiding! 🥷 You’re helping a lot, thanks for your kindness and noticing. X
Hi Rebecca,
I see you listened to the Three That Got Away. Now you can understand why I was sad. It wasn’t just what happened to Karen though. It was also Mr. Tudor’s reaction to it. It made me sad that he was irritated by it. But it’s something I needed to know.
Hi Leigh,
Without going into the story and going against the agreement made with HG, I can only say I didn’t get the same cause of HG’s reaction that you did.
I was upset by what happened, but not by HG’s reaction to what happened. I’m sorry I can’t explain more than that. Xx
Hi Rebecca,
As I read it the first time, I thought Mr. Tudor felt despair. Obviously I was wrong about that because despair is based on losing hope and Mr. Tudor doesn’t feel hope. But at the very end of the article, I senses annoyance. It wasn’t until Doug’s video about how Mr. Tudor feels in these situations, that it actually hit me.
I think Mr. Tudor would be ok with you telling me what you think he felt in that situation.
Hi Leigh,
I don’t think I can give you the answer without talking about the story more, giving more away…xx
Hi Leigh,
I bought the audio version. Purchase the audio version and maybe you’ll understand why I don’t see him irritated? Xx
Hi Rebecca,
You do know that I spoiled what happened to Karen already? Mr. Tudor gave me permission. Its on thread about the articles that caused certain emotions in us. Maybe you can go to that thread where its already spoiled.
Dear HG,
May I explain my view of your audio version of THE THREE THAT GOT AWAY? xx
You may do so with a spoiler warning.
Hi HG and Leigh,
Dear HG,
Thanks for giving me permission to answer Leigh’s question on the audio version of THE 3 THAT GOT AWAY. XX
SPOILER WARNING: FOR THOS WHO HAVEN’T READ/HEARD
THE THREE THAT GOT AWAY….
Hi Leigh,
In my opinion, I think HG was frustrated by how Karen died. He was so close to her and wasn’t able to hear her or save her. If she was even able to yell back, she might not have been able to be loud enough to be heard. It was all out of his control and he wasn’t able to change the outcome of her death. I think HG not being able to stop her from dying, is what frustrated him. I think HG was more frustrated that he lost control over what happened to Karen…it wasn’t his fault..I think HG was frustrated with himself, not Karen. He didn’t antiscipate her decision to keep going and that wasn’t his fault. Her decision, not HG’s.
It’s my view of what happened and how I took HG’s reactions to it. It’s my view and my opinion and I could be wrong, but my view was different than yours, Leigh.
I wish I could go into what happened to Kay, but that is another story and I didn’t get permission to share. Xx
Thanks again, HG for giving me permission to go against the copyright agreement. Xx
Hi Rebecca
Thank you for sharing your views. That’s what I meant when I thought he felt despair. It was out of his hands and could do nothing about it. All hope was lost. But I cajn see what you mean feeling frustration as well.
I say he was irritated just based off of his video about how Doug’s death effected him. In that video he says death irritates him.
Hi Leigh,
SPOILER ALERT:
FOR THE 3 THAT GOT AWAY….
I thought HG’s reaction would have been different than when Doug died, because Karen was the IPPS during the Golden Period….my thoughts on why I thought HG would react differently to Karen’s death compared to Doug’s death. Xx
Dear HG,
Will you tell me what you were feeling when Karen died? Xx
Hello Rebecca,
“He didn’t antiscipate her decision to keep going and that wasn’t his fault. Her decision, not HG’s.”
I don’t agree with this statement. Her death is absolutely his fault. The dynamic of their relationship was that she couldn’t say No to him or make her own decisions. Those rules were in place from the start. She was totally dedicated to him, trusted him fully, wanted to please him. He was responsible for her. Like for a child. She had no choice and he knew this. If it weren’t for rain, it would be smth else. At the end, his total control over her backfired. Beautiful, young, kind, caring person died. I broke into tears after listening to her story. And HG only felt irritated …he has no heart.
SPOILER ALERT – THE 3 THAT GOT AWAY
Hi Rebecca,
Since Karen was an IPPS, that’s why I thought the irritation would actually be worse because his largest fuel supply was abruptly cut off.
Hi Arya,
I don’t think what happened to Karen is Mr. Tudor’s fault. I believe this was a freak accident and was totally out of his hands. I do agree that he only felt irritated though and that was heartbreaking.
Hello Leigh,
I’m bit tired here, can say things. I’ve landed to Istanbul a few hours ago and while in the line for passport control, realized that I hadn’t book a hotel at the airport, I’m staying overnight to fly to Athens tomorrow..and my Airalo eSim for some reason didn’t install, had to use roaming to urgently book a hotel. Had book a Movenpick, which is like 3 miles away, cause at airport is booked. Private transfer 25 euro, I said: common, it’s 3 miles. They cut to 20. My ex husbands would probably cut it to 10. They were very good at that. There are some advantages being with narcs.
At least, the receiptionist guy was very nice and did a free room upgrade for me. And free drink at the bar, though I will probably pass. Party, after party. I need a break from alcohol. I want to behave like a narcissist now and blame shift to HG Tudor, cause at airport, while waiting for the flight instead of checking if everything is set, I was listening to HG videos))
⚠️spoiler alert⚠️
Anyway, my point is that he put her into a certain emotional, mental state, where she was afraid to upset him, to let him down. There was no room for mistake or disobedience. Therefore, when he told her to get to the tower, she couldn’t change her mind and turn around when it started to rain. She didn’t have a choice, she wanted to deliver at any cost. If he had told her at the beginning of relationship, that if at any point she finds his treatment, those rules he set are too much for her, taking a toll on her – she can reject his orders without any punishment or consequences, I believe, she would turn around and return to home. And be alive. But he didn’t, he was pushing her limits. It’s a bit like if a narcissist is to be blamed for a suicide of the victim because of his/her abuse? Some say no, some yes. In my view, it was his fault. You are free to disagree with me, ofc. 😊 tbh. I’m falling asleep now, have a great day.
Hi Leigh and Arya,
SPOILER WARNING:
THE THREE THAT GOT AWAY
Arya,
I don’t see how Karen’s death was HG’s fault. There are a few reasons why I believe HG’s is not to blame for Karen’s death.
1) She was in her 20’s, she was an adult and HG didn’t force her to keep going in the cold, pouring rain. HG didn’t tell her, “You better make it, or else! ” She made the decision to keep going on her own.
2) The weather changed, HG can’t control the weather. The weather change killed her, her not turning back or seeking nearby shelter killed her.
3) She wasn’t prepared for hiking for the area she was in, it’s better to be prepared than suffer for it. She was ill equipt to deal with the weather, the long hike etc.
All was out of HG’s hands and being an adult, she was responsible for herself, as we all are as adults.
My parents were responsible for me, as a child. If they were still alive today, I would still feel I was my own responsibility, not theirs.
I don’t feel my narc husband is responsible for me. I’m an adult and capable of making my own decisions, even with codependency, I still can reason and take action for myself. Codependency doesn’t make a person not responsible for themselves, or for what they do to others , or for their own actions. There is a big debate about the baby recently lost due to her parents bad treatment of her. Both parents are responsible for the little baby, codependency or not. She was the mother of that baby and he was the father. No excuse is good enough for neglect of an infant and Karen wasn’t an infant. Xx
Thanks Leigh and Arya, for sharing your thoughts and I’m glad we can openingly discuss things here. Xx
Interesting Arya! Was she afraid to disappoint Mr. Tudor so she kept going?!?!
Crap! Thats definitely something else I need to consider.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Rebecca,
I felt the same as you too but Arya’s view is compelling.
Arya0901, Leigh, Rebecca, Jade – greetings to all of you.
SPOILER
Dear, sweet Arya0901,
When I was reading those three stories, not once did it cross my mind that it was H.G.’s fault.
But what you wrote really made me think. And if we analyze the story from the angle you suggest, we can indeed see another side to it. I get what you mean.
Everyone has probably noticed by now that almost everything triggers me — I read, and memories come flooding back, even ones I thought were long gone. I still don’t understand what my ex-narcissist did to me or how it even works.
I remember myself in that relationship. If someone had asked me back then — (this has nothing to do with H.G.’s story, just my own experience) “Josephine, would you give your life so that the narcissist could live? Would you die for him, because of him?”
—I wouldn’t have hesitated for a second. I would have said yes.
And I’m not saying this to sound dramatic or for effect — that’s just how it was. He was everything to me. Any pain, any suffering — I was ready to endure it all.
Sometimes I honestly wonder… how is it possible to love someone so deeply, yet be at war with them at the same time?
Maybe it’s some kind of parental or spiritual love — when you’re not fighting against them, you’re fighting for them. And somehow, that gives you strength. As Shakespeare wrote in that sonnet №149
Sometimes I wish someone could love me that much someday. But… maybe I’m not worthy of it.
So yeah, I understand what you’re saying. I really, truly do — deep in my soul.
But in this story, what I see is just a tragic twist of fate — a horrifying chain of circumstances.
And I believe… I want to believe that H.G. understands.
“With great power comes great responsibility.”
This site, his work… it’s proof of that.
Hi Josephina,
You said, “Sometimes I honestly wonder… how is it possible to love someone so deeply, yet be at war with them at the same time?” – I think you’re describing cognitive dissonance here. Have you listened to Mr. Tudor’s video on cognitive dissonance? I think it might help.
Clarification: I mean the story about Karen.
Rebecca
So , is it your stance that adults ensnared by a narcissist are ultimately responsible for their actions? That the narcissist cannot make them do anything that they don’t want to do?
Hi NarcAngel,
Yes, I think the empath is ultimately responsible for their own actions. For example: The Manson girls, Charles brainwashed them, but they are still responsible for the murders they committed. They were manipulated, true, but still responsible as adults of what they did. Manipulated or not. I’m not saying that narcs and psychopaths don’t manipulate, sure they do, but we are still responsible for what we do. Xx
Hi Rebecca,
I agree that we’re ultimately responsible for our own actions. But unfortunately, we’ve also been conditioned to act accordingly. Especially empaths like us who’ve been conditioned since birth because we have a narcissistic parent.
Hello Leigh,
If you recall the story, he even didn’t lovebomb her properly. The relationship started as a test for her. How far she would go to prove her love for him. She wasn’t allowed to contact him first, but should respond within a minute to his calls, text. How fucked up is this already? Not typical dynamic for a relationship, for sure. She was giving and giving, and he was taking and taking. It was about not only being afraid to disappoint him, but actually disappoint herself by failing him. She would feel awful if she doesn’t do something he asked her to. Idk, if it makes sense what I’m trying to convey. He gave her a challenge, and she accepted it. Because she was Codependent empath and as you know from Chained book, that is their inner desire – to sacrifice and give to the point of breakdown. In that regard, actually, if not HG, another Narcissist would might do the same to her. But it still doesn’t justify an abuse from him or any Narcissist who exploits empaths, especially Codependent ones. And unlike unaware narcissists, who don’t understand why they abuse their victims, they just do cause they are like this by nature, HG Tudor has a full awareness where his treatment and his testing of her might lead to.
Though, unfortunately, in any case, at the end, she would suffer. If she didn’t die, he would disengage from her, and she would have been crushed. At least, by leaving this world, she didn’t experience the excruciating pain of being disengaged from him.
Hi Arya,
Yes, I do remember that Mr. Tudor didn’t love bomb Karen properly.
You said, “It was about not only being afraid to disappoint him, but actually disappoint herself by failing him.” – That hit me like a ton of bricks. Yes, it absolutely makes sense what you’re trying to convey.
Thank you for sharing your views. You’ve given me a lot to think about.
Hi Leigh, Arya and NarcAngel,
I related to the book, CHAINED, very much and I still feel what I do is my fault, my decision, even with the conditioning from a narc parent, the addiction and codependency in my empath make up, it’s still my fault for what I do, or have done. The law doesn’t allow for a free pass either, but then I’ve been told that I’m hard on myself too….but, Arya I see what you’re saying and the narc is as responsible for his or her decisions too, that includes manipulating someone else. When both parties are adults, both are responsible for their own actions. Xx
I hear you re taking too much responsibility, Rebecca! I’m working on that one too 😅
Hi Jade,
It takes two to tango! 😄😁xx
Hi Rebecca,
The ironic thing is if Karen was still around, I bet she’d blame herself too. She’d probably think that she let Mr. Tudor down.
I know we’re responsible for our own actions and as people with empathy, we take accountability for our actions. But I also believe we’ve been manipulated to act a certain way and I think sometimes we don’t even realize it. Its because of the salami slicing. Its done incrementally so we don’t even know its happening. That’s what makes it insidious.
Here’s an article I found on salami slicing. It might help.
https://narcsite.com/2018/03/19/the-golden-rules-of-freedom-no-5/
Hi Leigh,
Thanks for sharing the article about slicing/ subtle manipulations. I understand and I know I still beat myself up for LMRSnarc at work(the emotional affair) I can see his part in the manipulations and I’m thankful I didn’t fall more down the rabbit hole, that I didn’t involve myself more intimately with him. That would have been ab even bigger hurt and more blaming myself. I’m still working on not beating myself up over it. It comes so naturally to me, that it’s a hard fight with myself. Xx
Hi Rebecca,
These narcs can sniff us and know exactly how to suck us in!
Don’t beat yourself too much. It was because of workplace narcs that we found narcsite and Mr. Tudor.
Hi Leigh,
True and I’m very grateful I found Narcsite and HG, I got the answers here, better than any other site on narcissism and we get the CORRECT ANSWERS HERE TOO! xx
There, you’ve answered one already. That was easy!
Apologies HG