The Super Empath
It is well known that our kind target those who have empathic traits. Just like those of my persuasion operate on a spectrum, those who exhibit empathy do so as well. There are those we might regard as the “normals” those people who have some narcissistic traits and some empathic traits. As ever, when I use the words empathic and empathetic I state them with reference to certain traits such as empathy (clearly), honesty, kindness, decency and such like. I do not use the words in the sense of being in tune with the world and the environment. The normal are in the centre, possibly leaning one way towards my kind or the other way towards your kind. It is extremely rare for a normal to be ensnared as primary source because put simply, they do not cut the mustard. Their emotional responses are not sufficient, their empathic traits whilst evident are not sufficient to either bind to us or provide us with the fuel that we need. Such a person would easily pass a homeless person begging, a person crying alone on a bench or somebody who had fallen off their bike and injured themselves. They are self-absorbed but not the degree that our kind is. They will help if they really have to, but they do not go out of their way to act in a way that causes harm to anybody else.
Thereafter come those who are empaths. Empaths are always targeted as primary sources. They often fulfil secondary roles as well. They are rarer in a tertiary source position since if they are an empath, they would be better suited to either being a primary or secondary source. We would not want those empathic traits to go to waste. The empath has a good range of empathic traits those of honesty, decency, having a strong moral compass and being a good listener, just to list a few of them. They may not have all of the empathic traits that we look for, but they will have several and exhibit them in a concentrated form. Thus this person would look to donate to a charity, hand a wallet in that was found in the street, help a stranger who is in distress, sit and listen to somebody who has problems and acts of a similar nature.
Next comes the Super Empath. This person is not a co-dependent. Both the Super Empath and the co-dependent have many, if not all of the empathic traits that we look for and they have them to a stronger degree than the empath. For example, both might take the homeless person under their wing and take them to a shelter, maybe even house them themselves for a period of time. They would try and locate the person who had lost their wallet in order to hand it back in person rather than say hand it in at a police station first. They will listen to the person with problems and then offer practical solutions to resolve those difficulties. The co-dependent gains validation from such acts through giving and has to do this to an excessive degree even when it goes beyond what is good for themselves, such is their inherent addiction to the act of giving and selflessness. The co-dependent may not actually be that strong an individual (they are in the sense of the abuse that they can soak up) but they are not strong as they have no identity to assert, they must form one through self-flagellation, giving and not taking. They are masochistic in nature, driving themselves to the point of collapse and illness because they lack the strength to escape and the desire to do so from the clutches of our kind. Lesser Narcissists and Mid-Range Narcissists hook up with co-dependents especially because they give, give and give but do not fight back. They challenge themselves, blame themselves and always make excuses for their abuser.
The Super Empath is also a giver but whereas the co-dependent is masochistic in this giving, the Super Empath does so from a position of strength. They hold their ability to empathises, to heal, to fix and impart goodness as a great gift and one which ought not to be abused. They are drawn to our kind less because of the co-dependent’s need to seek validation of identity through a narcissist, but more because they are initially attracted to the apparent emotional output of the narcissist. The false strength which the narcissist exhibits at the outset of the seduction, the confidence, the apparent satisfaction with his self, that he appears comfortable in his own skin, at ease with others, capable of lighting up a room and so forth is a huge attraction to the Super Empath because that person actually sees something of themselves in the narcissist when the narcissist is seducing. That is not to state that the Super Empath is a narcissist. Far from it. But the Super Empath is just as engaging as the narcissist and thus there is a mutual attraction. The Super Empath is also more challenging to the narcissist and therefore is usually the recipient of some Mid-Range narcissists and most often the Greater Narcissist. This is not because the Super Empath is awkward or reticent but rather she will be forthcoming with her empathic traits once she feels that they have been earned. Accordingly, the narcissist much put the extra miles in, in terms of seduction to ensnare the Super Empath. This person needs to be coerced into sharing the fruits of their empathy but once that trust has been earned, once the gate has been unlocked the benefits are huge. The Super Empath shines with empathy, glows with decency and pours forth delicious fuel.
This continues during devaluation. The empath and co-dependent are easier to “break” in terms of causing negative fuel to flow. The Super Empath is made of sterner material and will resist the negative machinations of the narcissist at first. This may result in the narcissist dis-engaging if he does not feel able to impact on the Super Empath and seeking fuel elsewhere. The Greater knows who he has ensnared and knows once again he must unlock the fuel source, this time negative, of the Super Empath and once it is done the tidal wave of fuel is to be enjoyed. The Super Empath will remain, wanting to fix the narcissist, exhibiting again the same empathic traits of others on the empathic spectrum, but again being made of sterner stuff, their descent towards numbness and malfunction is far slower than that of the empath. The Super Empath will keep providing the fuel but deteriorates at a slower rate. The risk factor however with a Super Empath is that their own personal integrity is greater than the empath’s and very much greater than that of the co-dependent and consequently of all these three classes of empath, the Super Empath is the one more likely to make a bid for escape and thus leave the narcissist with a cessation problem.
The challenge of unlocking both positive and negative fuel proves an attraction for the right type of narcissist because this allows him to assert his superiority and enjoy the challenge. The reward is magnificent. Excellent fuel and such that deteriorates at a much slower rate. The downside is the potential for the Super Empath becoming “aware” of what is happening, becoming unwilling to dedicate further energy to staying with the narcissist to fix and to heal and thus escaping. The Super Empath requires fairly careful management by our kind, but the rewards always mean that this person is a challenge which is often accepted.
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I know a woman who knows that the Narcissist is seeking empathy, that he is victimizing himself, but she gives him tidbits, and validation by keeping him coming back. She is second hand supply I’m thinking, because he has his main supply empath at home. This woman is clearly manipulating him, but he does not see it and is addicted. She is faking empathy, and enjoying this playing him. I believe she is a sociopath from what I see. I’m thinking she is waiting to name her price when he comes begging. What range of Narcissist is this and is it common for Narcissist to be manipulated like this? What is the end outcome when he realizes that this sociopathic women is a fake and enjoying string going him along?
For him to be susceptible to this manipulation, at first blush, he is likely to be a Lesser or a Lower Mid-Range. However, given that i do not know the exact circumstances about which you write, there is also the possibility that he is a Greater and may well be fully aware of who he is engaging with and is content to play along, in order to cause the other Greater (the sociopath) to believe she is succeeding. Typically in such a scenario, the Greater (him) will have some irrefutable evidence to hand which he will show at the appropriate point which demonstrates that he knew all along what she was and what she was doing, that he played along to make her think she was playing him in order to then show his hand and demonstrate his superiority. Those of us who are Greaters identify such individuals pretty quickly and will engage in the artifice to serve our own needs and down the line the reveal will occur and the scorpion will sting. Accordingly, you should keep in mind such a scenario.
When you say he is addicted, how does this manifest?
HG,
Do you prefer this sort of game or would you rather have the true empath game?
Oh the true empath, way more fuel.
I was the main supply previously; two months ago, but barely staying.
I came across the 2nd source of supply girl by chance where I started a new job. I confided to her the abuse I endured as I was the Main Supply for 7 years, having some anxiety of him coming back to threaten me and now fully out of believing in the illusion and seeing it for what it really was with him.
I had heard her name over and over, as the Narcissist spoke of her as a sweet angel that I was lucky enough he chose me over this girl, and he could have her at any time I should remember(oh and a few others he could have at any time)
Even though she was in a rather risky industry for her career, he would defend this saying woman could make so much money so why not do it, idealizing her. Oh and she is a horse trainer now he said, and she told me this too, but really I found out that she only exercises horses and is a terrible rider.
When I met her, I was expecting a sweet loving kind person, only to realize I was dealing with a very manipulative person, pathological lying,sociopathic(because I’ve met a couple of these,I just knew it by now).
She asked me if I was the girl that he had been stalking some time ago (when I left for another guy trying to escape his grip on me)
The narcissist had shown up at her house and was suicidal, he confided this to her. He was found on the side of the freeway passed out from a panic attack, by a cop, late at night because I left and wasn’t responding . He would stay at my residence for hours and hours waiting for me to get home from my camping trip with the other guy. (According to my niegbor and her and himself).
The cops were called on the narcissist a couple times by myself ( the other guy pushed me to) because at first he threatened me to destroy my life ,etc., then changed to obsessive stalking, sadness.
Anyway, she confronted him and said he was making too big a deal out of me, he snapped at her, and since then she cut it off with him( appearingly), and he shared to me later that he didn’t have need to talk to her anymore because she said that.
She shared he recently Facebooked her, “are you mad at me?”. To me, this shows addictive behavior when he has his Main Supply now and can never let go of any other supply even in happy times with Main Supply
. Though a couple months ago, he was giving me the option to be with him or he would leave for that next Main Supply. I chose to go away, though angrily, because he had cheated with me on her( now main supply) and vice versa I suppose. I just didn’t like the situation much.
Back to the sociopath.She shared she never even considered him to date(not even her type), but she asked me what he would say about her. Also, she before would send him videos of herself ( they both confirmed this to me)it seems to me it’s to keep him seduced or just show she enjoys his attention.
According to her, he would confide in her that i was abusive and too controlling in bed( while he was seemingly happy to me the whole time and never was better). It seems they both enjoyed this bonding time , and she never apologized of course for being the other woman, she just blamed him to be such an abusive male.
She offered to send me several texts of their sexual conversations, though I’m guessing she doesn’t intend to and I changed my number anyway. ( Which she got from the manager of the business we both work at) though at first she didn’t know it was me until I met her and revealed who I was.
She said she just makes her boundaries with him because she has to with his type and I’m thinking when his main supply now is devaluated, the sociopath will be there to name her price for her fuel supply and get him in a bind possibly( a huge game for her).
He could be a greater, however. She told me that he could get me because I was weak and she is strong and holds boundaries so he could never do that to her.
This narcissist is highly intelligent, seemingly more intelligent than her or anyone I’ve met before.However, he didn’t notice another girl was manipulating him in the past when I left him and he was with her, he hacked her Facebook, because she used his computer, and realized she was a pathological liar. Now he doesn’t know if she was lying about getting an abortion or not or if she really was pregnant. She knew what would hurt him as he freaked out(and showed hurt) about her aborting his baby, though he said he could care less about the girl and had booted her out to come get me again, coaxing me with a new beautiful car I could drive whenever I wanted to.
HG, thanks in advance for reading but aside from the obvious of self vs.others, what in your opinion, is the main difference between an Elite Narcissist and a Super Empath?
Hi Sarah, I have noted this down for the purposes of an article as it merits such a treatment rather than a shorter blog answer.
🙂 Thanks for response – I shall look forward to such an article very much when you get the time, dear HG, but with all your writing and books – do you ever sleep?!
About 4-5 hours.
Now that is impressive, but wouldn’t expect anything less come to think of it… Have you always been like that?
For as long as I can recall. I don’t have bags under my eyes either.
That’s incredible…was your mom or dad like that as well?
My father liked his sleep, although of course MatriNarc would never let him lie in. She would not sleep a huge amount at night but she always retired for a one hour constitutional in the afternoon. Nobody was to disturb her during this.
Typical. Utterly typical.
I do wonder what you look like…
You are not the first nor will you be the last.
I believe I read somewhere that genus minds do not need as much sleep, They might need it but they do not sleep much. >
HG Tudor says:
– My father liked his sleep, although of course MatriNarc would never let him lie in. She would not sleep a huge amount at night but she always retired for a one hour constitutional in the afternoon. Nobody was to disturb her during this. –
Wow, what!? She sleeps just one hour? Do you know if she dreams???
What is she doing at night if she is not sleeping??
I am so looking forward to the article regarding the difference between Elite Narcissist and Super Empath. I questioned if I were a Narcissist myself but from the information here identify now as more likely Super Empath. I have much to learn and am so glad to have come upon this blog. I have the greatest respect for you and your teachings Sir Tudor and look forward to obtaining all of your books. Truth be told-you leave me a little swoony……….
Hello NarcAngel, thank you for your kind words and the article is in the list of works to be written, you will find it both interesting and informative. Yes, there is much to learn and you are now well-placed to do so from this blog and my books. I look forward to your further contributions.
Hg..Can u point me in the right direction of this article?
Super narcissist vs super empath?
There’s no super n v super e article. You might be thinking of the empathic supernova.
I ‘ve never given the slightest regard to a possible smear campaign instituted unless it was me doing it..which I was did in a fit of porque and removed within minutes..it was beneath me..
And though it was never mentioned, I later found a copy my tormented had kept in a secret file in his phone..awwww..
My desire however is still great..so much so it is difficult for me to leave mine alone when he returns..
..I desire to bring him ( not surprisingly to his knees) as I perceive he did me through subterfuge although I show no indication of this having ever been the case.
Like all victims of this machinations, I wish to inflect the pain I have suffered repeatedly incurred when I was too naive to understand the game..
Does that make me a narcissist where he is concerned?
Another question I couldn’t give a good God damn. about..
And as such I suspect your arrogance would lead you to deny its possibility and your fear and envy such you wouldn’t tell me if so..
But ah..the possibilities..
If I could offer something to you worthy of divulging the Krytonite available to destroy a lesser amateur which gives you kind a share in the limelight not truly deserved..
No it does not make you a narcissist where he is concerned Cinder-ella, but rather someone whose desire for revenge and justice is still burning.
Hi HG,
What type of Narc would you say I was with (the married man who strung me along for a year)? He was manipulative at times, controlling (even though I don’t think he realized he was), turned things around on me, blamed others most of the time (on one occasion he took responsibility for his actions and said he messed up hugely), was very intelligent, extremely intuitive, but never, ever, physically abusive. He made impulsive choices, but was not impulsive in a way that was physical. I am confused because I have read about the lesser Narc, and he may not fit this description. I also don’t think that he concocted our entire “relationship” and had a plan all along. He one time told me that he made so many mistakes with how he handled everything, it was like he was in quick sand. He is not a materialistic person, and never was “showy”. He has the money to buy expensive things, but lives quite a humble life and is content with it.
Based on what you have stated a super empath to be, I think I am one. I am not claiming to be Mother Teresa, far from it, but I have spent much of my personal time helping children in need and have a career that is devoted to helping people. He knows this about me and always told me that he respected me more than anyone else he knows. I now have to wonder if he was drawn to me because he saw the potential to draw fuel from me. On the other hand, I wonder if he just cared deeply for me but at the end of the day, could not find it in him to leave his wife and daughter. I am caught between two worlds — one is coming to terms that he is a Narc and targeted me, and the other being that he could be a man who has made mistakes, but it was not intentionally done. Thoughts?
Hello Liz,
From the information that you have provided I would conclude an Upper Mid-Range Cerebral Narcissist.
As for his intentions viz a viz you, he wanted your fuel.
He intentionally targeted you. The mistakes he speak of are Pity Plays.
I don’t feel I am objective to say if I am a super empath, empath or co dependent, though I will say my relationship with the ex was extremely co dependent. Such a sick and parasitic thing.
SA. I am aok with the fact that hg may not answer my email. Set expectations low and never be disappointed.
I will. Everything gets answered even if it takes time.
Hi HG…grain of salt.
I meant he ran for the hills.
I suspect Ally that he wanted you to chase after him.
1J1,
He’s building a mystery. I’m back in the D 1J1. Third Man Records yesterday….big party. I’ll be here couple of weeks. Wanna hook up or you still lone wolfing it?
Hey. It would be somethimg to meet you.
I am in Detroit area now. My Dad had a heart attack Friday and angioplasty yesterday. My mother is busy being drama queen so I had to come and handle it. I have to be back in Manhattan on Thursday. I will then be back in Detroit Wednesday. I planned on staying for a couple months and then being in Chicago for December (going to see Hamilton, yay me!) My point is maybe I can hook up with you while I am here. Thoughts?
Hi ABB. I hope your dad recovers. You are going to be in Detroit for awhile?
Yes after I do Global Citizen Festival in Central Park this Weekend. So starting next week for a couple months. Unless I get killed in an explosion, as I am sure you have seen on the news lately. Or my Dad dies and I will have to take his ashes to Yankee Stadium.
I hope your dad doesn’t die. I’m oblivious to the news. No TV. I don’t know what is going on.
Thanks 1J1. There were 2 pressure cooker bombs over the weekend in New York. Down by 23rd I think. One exploded other didn’t. News says maybe a dry run for something bigger. I will be at 84th and 5th, then in central park. Hopefully nothing will happen. Security is heightened.
Wishing you safety!!!!! I do not know what you father has, though I wish you and your family wellness. ((hugs))
Be careful ABB…
ABB. How is your dad doing?
1j1 good I’m in nyc….I hate people….jus sayin.
Thank goodness that your dad is doing ok. Is it due to the festival that people are getting on your hate side?…or is it something else?
1J1,
U are correct. Altough i will say im everyones best friend but i dont need them at all, make sense? Festival this year is getting greedier by the second. Intention is a supposed raise of awareness for causes that effect every one of us. This year they decided to cut maintenance, so garbage left everywhere, which is one of the global goals to help the environment…lol and gave and sold 70,000 tickets instead of 60,000. Crammed everyone in barricaded pens. Made handicapped section half its normal size…then doubled artists family and friends section which at a maximum had 15 people in it as most are backstage anyway. Oh and my sociopathic side was in full swing as I was in lock down for the show in the msnbc staging area. I can usually go where I want, but security wanted me to be at an accessible location at all times during performances. So security crazy. Performances awesome….Cat Stevens excellent. Eddie Vedder and Chris Martin sang Everybody wants to rule the world by tears for fears. Chris Martin sang raspberry beret by prince. Metallica sounded great, enter Sandman a must see live. Major Lazar and Ellie Golding were good. Usher did one song as he was flying to Vegas right after….Rhianna, Kendrick Lamar, Demi Lovato…meh. I would have rather seen more of some others but Kendrick Lamar apparently has some pull with Live Nation. I would have really liked to see HG perform 99 Problems Narc Mix. Maybe I can talk to some people?
Ugh. Oh the irony of garbage strewn all over an event that promotes a clean environment as one of the causes. Smh. I hope the money raised from cramming those people in goes for the cause and not in someone’s pocket. That would suck. I’m glad tne music was good.
I think I get what you are saying.
It is definitely becoming a money maker. This is the last one of the year for me. I work from mid may until mid October. Then I drift through life. It’s always about money isn’t it? They wouldn’t do such big productions if there was no money to be made. $7 for a bottle of water is awfully steep. Someone is making Bank.
You are painting? a picture. You size people up quite quickly. Rome…hmm. Interesting comparison. Rome fell. I did fall…at the tender age of 9. You can’t or won’t answer my question. Jaded is scratching me and raising her hand. I did send a response. Sleep well from the boredom.
Hey Foxy…I hate candy…the candyman can’t…popcorn smells like sweaty feet when cooked a certain way. When cooked right…yum.
I haven’t decided. Much is revealed in my comments. Too bad he didn’t listen or read. HG has plenty more important questions to answer anyway. They can jump ahead in line.
Oh I read them alright and I’m building a picture. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Hey HG, i think iam a super empath. Actually makes me feel good!!!, i think i did drive him nuts because i questioned the hell out of mine. My goodness would always come through when he was trying to slip me up being a bad person.
I will help anyone with anything but if i start to feel not appreciated bye, bye. I expect some respect. I also told mine i knew what he was and he could no longer hide. Maybe i could do what he does and turn it on him whatever he does to me? But good hearted people dont waste there time and energy being evil. The sad part is the fake him would have made a good friend. Wish i never would have went down that road with him cuz you cant rewind. It will be forever bad. Its been 3 years and hes still hovering. When it ended, i slipped up a month later when i had been drinking and contacted him. But since that time never again. Hes had his flying monkeys contact me and i tell them off also. I want to do more reading on the fuel part so i understand that better. But hey who doesnt like a bubbly person, i think everyone is attracted to a up beat person that enjoys life, and sees the good in people. And i enjoy life despite what i went through. First year i had nothing left and had to rebuild myself. My brain was fried. Thank god i do have a loving husband that stuck by me, and he does appreciate who iam, and how iam. Iam kinda using you as a sounding board for what i havent been able to say, cuz people dont understand.
Hmmm, I like that you think in full spectrums, HG. This is vital when working on black/white extreme thinking. If you can think in a spectrum in human characteristics, the you can also apply this to other things too, such as identifying and challenging rigid black/white views such as being either right or wrong, hit or cold and such.
I also like your take on empathy. I would like to humbly add that empathy is not only about honesty, decency, giving, etc but also being able to be in other’s experience, holding their pain without being overwhelmed by it, having boundaries to not fall into despair while holding another’s woes. It’s also important not only to distinguish empathy from codependency but also empathy for sympathy. Brene Brown has a wonderful short animation on the difference. It’s cute and worth a watch, particularly good for teaching children as well.
Not sure where I would fall on this spectrum, though I work very hard not over labeling myself (and others) as it is so prevalent in our world and in the work I do. Labels help and can empower and clarify, though I also find them limiting and stuck like a dot on a continuous line. I do like what Sharon said about the transformation of codependents to empaths and super empaths as one grows stronger and more self aware. We all are growing here, and that what is so beautiful, you all are lovely, honest, beautiful growing souls (narcicists, codependents, sociopaths, empaths, BPD, and the rest of the diagnostic alphabet soup and non-diagnosed neurotypicals) that beauty here is from the acceptance of each other’s flaws, strengths and needs…..and taking no sh-t from anyone….feeling strong tonight!!!!! 😍💛💙💜💚❤️
Loved “all” that you said … thank you 🙂
This is a feeding ground for Narcs in my opinion, it is social media. HG will admit to this, hell he is the one who told us.
Correct SA.
Hi Indy. Brene Brown has been mentioned as a healing.source.. Need to check out works.
Hg is better. 🙂
Way better. 🙂
Brene Brown is a really good source for understanding empathy and accepting one self, flaws and all. She is pretty great actually. Now, HG is pretty great too, in the area of Narcissism, identifying them, understanding them, practically protecting yourself and getting out, I think he is the best I have read. So, dialectically speaking (see what I did there 😉 they are both great 🙂
Nicely done indy. 😉
I am going to be putting in my Amazon order soon for HG Books as I have finished the samples. I wish to buy concrete version, and not Kindle. This way I can have books on coffee table and hopefully people will be interested to pick up and read them…it’s so important!
I have many books by other authors and also I have gone on youTube but HG’s books are by far the best for me. Easy to read, layman’s terms, to the point and hard hitting. You love to hate him but he wakes you up. I have 11 of them I believe.
High praise indeed, thank you SA.
Thank you for that insight. The key word that caught my attention was that revenge was not the goal but to leave with pride.
I will at some point figure out what I am.
I will probably be on this blog for a bit longer, and then suddenly disappear for about a year. That’s just the way that I am. I go from one thing, and put my ALL into it, such as my WordPress Blog, and then when I’m done, I’m done.
Me too, Tamara….when I leave, I never return. For when I leave it for a reason…. Why I try so hard before leaving is inevitable. Some things and people we should never return too. Forgive, accept and move on.
Yes <3 Poetic…
SII, I asked myself the same question many a times… Do I have a Cluster B disorder?
I have spoken to professionals about my concerns but everything indicates that I do not. I wouldn’t make my own judgement because I myself would deny it. Lol
I have been open to the possibility but again just being open to it directs me to a ‘no’.
I will be starting my Psychology course next year which will require me to see a Psychotherapist but at the moment my doctor’s, therapists all reassure me that there is no disorder. I actually don’t feel like I have one either because I am extremely empathetic and can feel people emotions to a degree that I am able to finish sentences of strangers.
I love with a fiery passion as well and am loyal to my core.
I have never ever in my life cheated and strongly believe in individuality and rights to self expression and freedom.
I never ever control or manipulate rather I will blatantly speak the truth but taking into account not to hurt others feelings.
I just have this energy in me that I can tap into when I need to and its great.
You are very welcome Poetic Me.
Lets start some awareness and change the world hey?
HG, how do you feel about living on an island with your kind away from the rest of us?
Ha ha.
No deal Anonymous Girl, I have been sent to make your lives all the more exciting. I can sit in splendid isolation in my Relational Tower but we are not colonising an island.
Shame, you shall have to go kicking and screaming then…..
Pray HG, pray that I never rule the world because your kind will all just wake up there without a moments notice.
That’s okay AG you won’t rule the world, because we do.
I am not ready for a mass exodus of your kind. I feel like we still have a lot of unfinished business.
SA – why would a super empath not need to be on this blog? We have to learn as well. I would have never known what a narcissist is, other than the term thrown around to define a conceited person, if I hadn’t discovered this blog. If we want to throw that term around lightly, I have been called that a few times but that is because I do love myself, which is what sets us apart from co-dependency. We are strong and we can walk away without a bruise BUT that doesn’t mean that we should stop learning. In fact I will bet that some of us are here not only to learn but in hopes that we can also help HG in his process whether it is healing or showing him how he is can be used in a positive way… I am not saying that is why any of us are here but we always want our love to resonate with everyone, we want to give, we need to give just so we can create the peace and harmony that we carry. We are not weak and we always will rise up no matter what life throws our way. Strength does not come by staying ignorant though, you have to always keep learning.
I completely agree with you, DC79. I also believe that all of us who are now considered to be Super Empaths, got to that level because we began as co-dependents. I believe with everything we’ve endured in our lives, we didn’t just choose to lay down and die. We got up off the f*****g floor after crying ourselves dry, wiped ourselves off, educated ourselves and became stronger over time. I know now that, because of this site, I will never EVER again, be taken by a Narc of any kind. I said that one other time in my life, but I never really realized until now that I had even dealt with a Narc back then. Thank God (sorry, not you HG) all of us have had the ability and the freedom to learn from HG and his blog! Now maybe we can use this knowledge to help others going through the same experiences. I know I refer HG’s blog to anyone who will listen and hopefully they’re willing to take a chance on learning something new, intriguing and exciting XO 🙂
Amen Sista! Amen!
Dragon,
I thought I should address my post. I was speaking for myself and not anyone else on this blog. I still read HG’s posts every day. I just skip over what the followers are writing at this time. Other than this post to address the direct question to explain what I mean, I need to step back from commenting.
It is a great tool to reach out to supporters and people who know exactly what you are going through and experiencing. I have used it to get where I am now. (Oh trust me, if I get a Hoover, I will be reporting to the group.) I only had this man in my life for 7 months, not years. I feel I need to do other things with my time and not rehash and relive it by me writing about what happened to me. I am giving him life and this was tiring.
I recommend this blog to many, including people who are not involved with narcissists. I find HG’s writing to be very thought provoking and educational. I hope, in the future, he writes fiction novels. His command of the Queens English is beyond reproach and is very pleasurable to read. This alone is education.
The faceless man is seducing us all.
I will admit that there have been postings and discussions that struck a very personal cord with me that were counter productive for me personally. I have discussed this with my therapist and she has suggested I back away for a bit.
I also have much reading to catch up with and piano practice that I have not attended due to striking the laptop keys instead. The blog can become addicting. It is social interacting and you do not have to leave your home.
I am still here but will not be interactive. Remember it is all about me in my world.
I understand your point, I think this is why I go incognito at times. I am STILL dealing with my ex…and I am sure he is still reading everything I post on here. I do apologize if I came across harsh in response to your post, I only meant to show why we do need to be on this site and learn. I think more than anything it is better to become equipped with the knowledge instead of walking into the world blind. I never knew that narcissism is much deeper than the simple term thrown around between people.
SA just remember, HG can actually only be in your head and seduce you if you allow him. Yes, his words are well thought out, very precise and he certainly knows how to seduce with those words but they are only that…words.
(((SA))) Do what is best for you, that is what we all need. It should have been all about us in the first place! 🙂
I have been on here since June I think. I have read 9 of his books and working through two more and not including other authors and internet research and my therapy sessions. Which were almost everyday for three months.
There was blogging on RAPE and if there was a right to do it. This was very hard to read. I had to deal with it and my therapist asked me to give it a few days.
I KNOW THIS>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/ZmWBrN7QV6Y
I had a Narc in my life only 7 months total and this includes discard. I am not use to discard, this is what I do. I am very desired. My ego took a beating with him. He brought all the shit in life I never let come to the surface including being raped. Drugged and forced. So many things. This encounter with Jonathan has made me stronger then I already was.
But the BITCH is back and right here typing.
I let HG in my head just as you do, I like him there. He is just what I want and need.
I know you have not a clue about who I am. I got this sister.
I can have HG’s all day long. They are everywhere. He is safe across the POND. I am as bad as he is in different ways.
I like you. I really do. Can we hug and kiss now?
The 19th June to be precise when you thanked me for stopping you from losing your marbles.
Quite a power isn’t it?
Now that brings me to tears. You remember. Oh did you get me an anniversary gift too? I am going right now to get yours. Peppermint Tea.
(how do you keep track, do you just pull up the name. I want to see what I wrote to you. Can you privately send it?)
Yes it was your books. I read them everyday whilst I was in Sweden. I would sit and Fika. Hours of digesting your words feeling a freedom, or was it the tendrils that I felt?
Of course I remember. Yes I can send it privately, just send an e-mail requesting it and I shall fire the content back to you.
How do I keep track? There are coloured ribbons for each separate poster which stretch from my dark heart to a massive schematic on the wall of the hangar where I plot my schemes.
Thank you for reading and do continue to do so.
Can my ribbon be purple, please?
But of course.
Not in the sharing MOOD so do not have other ribbons connected to mine please. And the color should be GREEN. You cheeky DEMON.
Here is your email requesting IT >
Better Bait…….found it. Posted at 3 something in the AM BST.
I have come so far with how I feel or lack of. Time is the best medicine.
I am sorry that you’ve had to deal with old wounds reopening, it is never easy but sometimes we are better equipped to deal with them and finally clear them out of our system. I hate to admit this but at this point in my life I only allow the finest of narcs to infiltrate my mind… I am definitely strong enough to handle their evil ways and maybe too strong for them to tear me down as they please. I would be lying if I said I didn’t like the almost euphoric, fantasy like, love that is oozing from every orifice on their body when they first seduce and even the intermittent, pull you back in loving moments. I know that I require a higher sense of being and I need to feel it or I am not satisfied. I can have plenty of friends but I will only connect with a few. I guess my point is that we all require something and many of us require more than simplicity to be content or happy with whatever partner or friendship we have. Being an empath, I want to feel the energy behind the emotion, rather it is real or not….maybe I generate my own energy that is so strong that I take it as real love, even when it is false. My narc was in my life for 8 years, the one before that 12 yrs and since he found out I am single… you can imagine that he has tried weaseling his way back in. I never move backwards….I only look forwards.
SA, you do what you need to do to be happy just keep the strength behind it, know yourself and don’t let anyone tell you differently!
xoxoxoxo
OH GURL, you don’t know me but you should.
I am very content and I do not want to deal with an emo rollercoaster. I will just tune it out if it comes around. I think I have my Zen going on. All w/o meds too. Except my ADD legal speed. ADDerall.
OH GURL, you don’t know me but you should. You are a doll.
I am very content and I do not want to deal with an emo rollercoaster. I will just tune it out if it comes around. I think I have my Zen going on. All w/o meds too. Except my ADD legal speed. ADDerall.
i won’t leave you Dragoncreeper79
Hugs
Demon Lady
My God your article is spot-on… The insight blows my mind.
You know more about me than I do o.O
Thank you for the article 🙂
Thank you HG.
Would a high mid range eventually identify this tell you how strong you are & run for the hills?
Hello Ally, you are welcome. Do you mean he runs for the hills or he tells you to run for the hills?
Your kind’s “mirroring” only shows my kind a total lack of self not a perfect match. That bending and contorting to be Mr. Perfect will only lead to a prison of resentment and entitlement to destroy all heathy boundaries. You can not save someone who does not want to be saved or fix someone who is constitutionally incapable of knowing they are broken. The empath of the NON codependent variety sees all the hairline cracks in that mask. All though our hearts may ache for the brokenness in any human, an aching does not constitute throwing ones self into the volcano as a sacrifice for the salvation of the unsalvageable.
I have written to you about the empath with a kill switch and an empath on top of their game. This is not a vigilante empath by any stretch of the imagination. I’m tuned in HG, I can see through it. The greater narc may be a fine car you want to take for a test drive, really open it up, feel the center of gravity drop… Maybe play with that salesman who thinks he got you hooked, then just get up and walk out. It’s all educational.
3 dacades in 12 step and I have a pretty clear read on who wants to recover, who’s site seeing and who is a bone picking vulture.
Thank you HG, for giving my kind some credit and for all the great work being done here helping so many get free.
Amy
Thank you Amy, I found this sentence especially interesting
” It’s all educational.
3 dacades in 12 step and I have a pretty clear read on who wants to recover, who’s site seeing and who is a bone picking vulture.”
Are you talking about my kind, your kind or maybe even both?
I hope I am one who wishes to recover; I do not wish to be merely a sightsee’r or a vulture…ever.
Tamara
Most certainly both HG, Depending where on the spectrum of narcissism one resides and weather or not they are malignant. They may be truly working towards recovery or have resigned themself to steer clear of all romantic and or sexual encounters knowing the destruction they cause and the care TAKERs or careGIVERs they attract. The Sid and Nancy relationships over and over.
The caretaker will enable the narc to either continue hating themself vicariously through everyone or fuel them to combust then toast s’mores over the burning corps. The care giver is really special, this whole dynamic is about addiction, filling a black whole that NO human power can fill. This type of care giver walks a very interesting line, are they my kind or your kind? Very hard to tell because they get their fuel from being “the better person”. All that they do, all that they endure, all that they sacrifice, the cross they bare loving a beast, someone who can never ever love them back makes them in their minds just short of Jesus Christ. This is not unconditional love this is contingent upon feeding the monster inside themselves to be in their own minds and in the eyes of all those they sell tickets to (because they love an audience) preparing for the crucifixion, that’s right, they will die for YOUR sins.
This was “The Opera of the Narcissists” with My parents, gone within a year of each other.
I believe substance abuse is almost always a substitute for the ultimate drug of choice, the human drug.
People, people who need people.
Yes your kind credits themselves with going to great lengths to target and groom a “victim”. The lesser of my kind has unfinished business and it is up to them to continue on as a victim or see your kind as a teacher, a terrible teacher or a teacher that shows the empath how to shore up their own brokenness until they can heal so they do not continue to attract your kind over and over giving themselves over to a life time of victimtude.
On the 19th I will be 30 years free, having come to 12 step barley old enough to drink. I thank my tragically narcissistic parents who drove my only sibling to his death just after his 19th birthday when I was 17. I had seen enough destruction so young to put me on the critical fast track to recovery. This is a life long process I can remove myself from situations where alcohol or drugs are present but the human drug is everywhere and those are the connections we all crave.
In an interdependent relationship there is no grater high. That is what everyone is looking for. So many people carrying on what ever toxicity was modeled to them
as children or perhaps they were victims at some point and can not heal, then there is the pathological who I believe to a certain degree can absolutely modify their behavior if they are willing to do the excruciating work.
As for the comment in this thread asking why would a super empath be on this blog? Why do people with 29 years and 355 days still drop by meeting? To continue the recovery process and to humbly learn from those who are just like we were when we limped in. Lest we forget and though we may have eared a “super” status we are still human without continued education and being teachable we are dancing on the line of of our own demise.
Amy
Thank you for sharing that Amy, interesting and valid observations.
Is this why I commit to self solitude? Hmmm? >
Beautifully written Amy. Your words brought tears to my eyes.
My absolute favorite post to date – excellently written! Always a pleasure to read your words…
“The false strength which the narcissist exhibits at the outset of the seduction, the confidence, the apparent satisfaction with his self, that he appears comfortable in his own skin, at ease with others, capable of lighting up a room and so forth is a huge attraction to the Super Empath because that person actually sees something of themselves in the narcissist when the narcissist is seducing.”
Through your imagery, I saw a mirror. On one side of the mirror, the Super Empath stares through the glass and sees the Narcissist staring back at her. The Super Empath…always feeling…feeling other’s emotions, translating, categorizing, analyzing…overcoming…then she meets the Narcissist in the seduction phase…he who searches to the depth of her…for a period, there is a stalemate of old souls…he who sees…she who feels…
I’d like to think that the Narcissist feels more at ease as her emotions are focused on “feeling” him as his are focused on “seeing” her. Both unwittingly reflect a projection of the other in a backwards way…the narcissist looking from the inside out…the Super Empath looking from the outside in.
I see the Super Empath and the Narcissist as a “twin flame” – she lost herself to others and he to himself…both able to read, understand, translate those in others which the normal world most often overlook…the little things…there is nothing bigger…a burden and a gift to the other’s personification – is one really better than the other? The Super Empath feels and gives nurture…the Narcissist sees and demands repayment. Each is to learn in the other side of its extreme.
But let’s not lose touch with fact: both lost their true self along the way – the Narcissist an Insider…the Super Empath an Outsider…two perspectives that enmesh the identity of self from the opposite vantage point – the awkward realization of what extreme the other did not have, but perplexingly fascinating to see the other’s reflection from the opposite understanding – a child like innocence almost…the fuel the Narcissist drinks is like crystallized water… the flame the Super Empath plays with sparkles…until she burns herself…or until he feels like vomiting…he needs her water and she his fire – both denying the creeping reality that discovering themselves is perplexing distantly similiar – but that would shatter years of identity – years of pride…the Super Empath and the Narcissist have more pride from the inside of what both would struggle to define, but assuredly understand.
So I proffer…is the Super Empath any different? Any more noble?
I dare not throw the first stone…God is the ultimate judge…but I feel no substantial difference deep within…perhaps better left to the Narcissist who can see…but then again, cessation is never voluntary as the Narcissist always knew…water and fire produce steam – which neither sparkles or rains.
Hello Sarah, thank you for your comments and that you enjoyed the post. I think there is force in the observations that you have made.
Great post, Sarah. It speaks volumes to me. 🙂
Great post, Sarah. It spoke volumes to me. 🙂
You still haven’t answered me what I am. I think you don’t know and I am aok with it.
I don’t have enough information to make an evaluation.
With the comments I’ve left, it must boggle your mind unless you have deleted them. It is okay. No one can figure me out. Can’t really understand why I thought you could tell me why 2 people of your kind failed in their asseasments. You are the third.
No, I am forming a picture but I do need to know more. No guarantee that I will know of course.
What info do you need.. Lol…now i am laughing. I do see what you are doing ….the god…
Just tell me about yourself and how you interact with people, especially the intimate partner – not on the blog you can email me.
1J1,
Don’t get in the van! He has no candy! Back away from the vehicle….don’t give up the info….it will be used against you! Keep him guessing….I see red flags and there are not red wings symbols on them!
I might take you up on it. I will also take a grain of salt with the thought that you’ll reply.
Very clever Foxy Lady! And, yes, we are sitting on a gold mine ;0)
Indeed you are Love.
Why thank you Mr. Tudor
Yes you are busy. That works. I can’t find SA post. Ok. Your evaluation was less.than superior. I would have expected more, but fair enough.
Which post 1j1? >
Jaded1, You are……awesome, courageous and a force to be reckoned with….and have intuition to boot! Pretty cool, I think! I think HG will concur 😊
Hi Indy. Thank you. I wonder how I make it through. I think you are are awesome and strong. The way you are handling your latest situation makes it clear that you are letting your NPD person know that he doesn’t own you, and he will never own you. Formidable.
Idk what HG thinks of me. He is really quick to give name to others. I’m just glad that I found his blog. Despite how it appears, I’m not a bone sucker or picker…as maybe alluded to.
Thank you Jaded1, he doesn’t own me, you are right there! And you have this in you too. I see someone that isn’t eaten away with anger or self pity, someone that is humorous in the face of difficulties and stands up and brushes off the dirt gracefully! I don’t know what a bone sucker or bone picker even is? I agree, this place is like a support group of amazing people and a kick butt teacher!
HG, just curious, what are your religious OR spiritual beliefs? I know you believe you are god on earth, but do you believe in a Heavenly God. What do you believe in, beyond this earth?
I am his instrument, sent to weed out the unworthy and the weak.
Can you elaborate a little more on what you mean because, the way I see it, with what you’re doing here (helping so many of us), you’re absolutely being used as “His” instrument. However, you’re saying you’re used as his (who’s “his” to you) instrument, sent to weed out the unworthy and the weak. I definitely think you’ve been sent here to help strengthen the weak and enlighten those of us who have felt unworthy and I, personally, have gained so much strength and knowledge from you. I feel a million times more sure of who I am and what I “truly” deserve because of you and this blog and I know everything happens for a reason. I believe you’ve been sent here for a far better and greater purpose than just to weed our kind out; but, as I said, I’d like to know more about what your interpretation is in a little more detail 🙂
Hello Sharon, I understand your interpretation and if that is a consequence of what I do in this blog and my books, then so be it. I am God’s instrument in the sense that I and others like me are the ones who pioneer and lead given the attributes that we have. I am a test, to establish those that are worthy of exposure to my brilliance in order to then be revered and saved from the harm and vagaries of this grasping world.
You believe in GOD HG? Hmmm I thought you are more brilliant and evolved and was beyond make believe friends. Easter Bunny too, Santa or is that Tubby I am referring to? My bad. I am not insulting but I actually thought that one like yourself would not think there was anything above you. Especially a man in a robe up on a cloud. >
It serves my purposes. I can blame Him and thus remain unaccountable. Religion is a marvellous conduit for the commission of my actions.
Not what I asked. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE or do you just use it? >
what do you think
I am not to think. My sandbox has non-believers. >
That made me laugh. In fact a lightning bolt shot from my left nostril.
That is called a booger. Silly! I turn back to building my Sand City. >
He is god. I’m still sitting on my acromymn. Psst. It is so bad. It isn’t gnarly old d…although that would injure. It is worse. J1.
Yes he is. At least on this blog. And very busy too.
Oh HG, you’re projecting again!
Oh my (Whispers God)
You are the god…the nice acronym, of course. The other one makes me wonder if I am like you. I googled it to see if someone else thought of it and no one did.
Who’s instrument?
Dear G. Your marvellous article got me confused…. what am I? A co-dependant a empath a super empath?
I suspect that you are a super empath based on the information available to me, but ultimately I would need more information to be more precise.
Thank You for Your reply dear G. I do hope one day You will give my answer xxx
Honestly, HG, would a super need to be on this blog?
Yes.
I think not. What would you call the ones who had enough?
Enough of what?
Great questions, SA, and if you don’t mind, I’d like to respond as a Super Empath. Absolutely we need to be on a blog like this because we’d much rather educate ourselves on a deeper level than to ever give in, and fall prey, to a Narc again. I wish I had this information 35 years ago (even longer considering the family I grew up in). This is the greatest site for a Super Empath, Empath, Co-dependent, or anyone who’s ever been in a dysfunctional relationship, to come across. I’ll be damned if my entire life will be led and controlled by the likes of a Narc (at any level), especially now that I’ve discovered who I truly am, and why I’m attracted to certain types of people. The ONLY way I know this now is because of this site and this site alone. Thanks again, HG, for helping me out 🙂
This post summed up the dynamic between the sociopath and I. I remained a challenge throughout our 3 year entanglement – and it was my integrity that eventually led me to the exit door. In our last conversation he told me he “never could quite catch me” but the way he pursued and drew me in felt to me like he had me at hello.
This post made me recognize why I fell so hard for him and why we are so attracted to narcissists. You guys GET us. You see the traits and truly admire them (at least for awhile) . Your kind LIKES our emotions and engages with us when we are screaming banchees. You don’t back away from our emotions., Normal men seem intimidated by a fiery female in her angry mode or are quick to label us “craxy” for our strong emotions thT they just can’t deal with. We don’t know during the Golden Period that the narcissist is feeding on our emotions- we think you are man enough to hold space for our feelings where average men fall short. Ha!
Wow, Bethany, very well put! I’ve always felt what you described, but I could never put my thoughts all together like you just did; and make it make sense. THANK YOU!!!
I never scream nor get mad like that .. I agree with your words Bethany
Hi Nikita- I used the term “Screaming Banchee” very loosely here as I meant to convey the torrent of emotion and wearing our hearts on our sleeves Empaths tend to display.
Well said Bethany. I know when faced with my own negative emotions, MCN nevr made me angry, I had to falsify anger to him to leave relationship. I forgive all harm against me. But, if someone creates a torrent of negative emotions within me, it is because I know what they are and it is a battle, fought within myself and with them. Except they assume they will win. Definitions of winning are different, the strength to disengage and walk away, is also winning. Not all victims can be devoured.
Wow, this post just summed up exactly how I feel with the narcissistic jerk I was with for a year. It really is a facade and a very believable one, until their true colours start to show.
I thought this too once. How can he keep taking my ‘blows’? He would once in a while pull out the you are crazy and psychotic. But at the end, he gave away a core lie that gave me my closure. I then thanked him for allowing me to get so angry at him but he finally told the truth and revealed all the places where the lies laid.
I was often in awe at his ability to endure. He probably was as well at mine as he gave back hard. The problem in it all was he never tried love bombing/positive hoovering again except on very brief moment. So there was never a respite. Never a break between us. Once we had one for 6 months, but I had never gotten my closure on the first round, and so it all started again. He said leave the past. We were good now, why do I want to go back to all tjat fightening. but he would not go back to the love. But I could not leave the past without an explaination for the first part. The past was when he implied he loved me deeply and if he was never going back to that, then nothing was in it for me. So I talked myself out of feeling good and went back to the fighting and anger. It was always safer. But I got my closure.
if only this blog had been around 8 years ago…before Count Dickula had drained me.
Just because i give money to homeless people or even take them for food, don’t go calling me names. It isn’t proper.
Thus shown the danger of staring too long in the mirror.
Very insightful. As I’ve read your blog, I’ve often wondered where I fall on the spectrum. This clarified it perfectly for me. I identify totally with the super empath description although I don’t believe I was prior to meeting #1.
I think my empathic qualities have become enhanced partly due to that experience and partly due to raising a child with special needs.
It also explains why several of the narcs I have met in recent years have backed off. They’re clearly not up to the challenge and that’s fine by me!
Me too.. Meeee too!! I am raising a child with special needs. As I just read your post I started crying like I haven’t in I can’t remember how long. I believe I am totally a S.E. And the same goes for me, 1/2 because I was married to a N for 24 years, and 1/2 because 17 years ago we had a child with autism. We have one older and one younger as well. In all honesty, I didn’t know what I was dealing with my now ex until the last year, I’ve known about the autism for 15 1/2 years, and to be blunt, I’m afuckingmazed that I am still standing. If I could have died peacefully 11 months ago, hell, 11 WEEKS ago, I would have. But my children, none of them, will be left in the hands of that monster! I find strength in reading things like your posts and educating myself about how to handle this bastard. Its the same for autism, I educate to arm myself. When my child was young, I started a nonprofit to help families of children with autism. I thought I wanted to save the world. I was an advocate for moms in IEP meetings in the school system, taught moms how to get SSI and Medicaid waivers, and started a support group for parents of children with autism, our first meeting we had 48 parents attend! We lived in a small town, that was HUGE! I raised over $275,000 my first year and helped over 64 children. However, at home, behind closed doors, I was abused and confused by the man that I loved more than life itself. Last thing I will say. I’m not sure, but it seems to me that not only did my sons diagnosis help mold me as the tenacious, never take no for an answer, will just soon cut you if you even think about hurting my child kind of mother, but I would SWEAR that my ex changed after the diagnosis, and the narc side that was maybe manageable before, started to unveil more and more narcissistic personality traits, to fast forward 17 years, FULL BLOWN GMN! “GREATER MALIGN NARCISSIST” .. HOWEVER, so help me, I will not let him kill me or my spirit, he can no longer have my self esteem or self worth, my money, my body, my home, most importantly, my children, OFF LIMITS! I matter, it’s time. Just because he said it doesn’t mean it’s true.
TRUTH: if he or anyone thought I took
The bull by the horns when I found out my child had special needs, JUST WAIT to see how hard I fight and take the NARC BY THE NUTS! You inspired me. Thank you. You have no idea, like I had convinced myself I HAD to go back to him! Like two days ago he insisted I come for dinner and of course, sex, and just to keep the peace, I DID! I have for the last 2 years since the divorce. I lived in fear of what he would do next to me or my kids, with VERY GOOD REASON, past experience. But no more, not as of This minute! Thank you, one sentence really can change my view of the world, and even more, MY PLACE IN IT! 😘😘😘😘
Hi Sydney- just wanted to share that our stories share a common thread in that I have an autistic child with a rare syndrome and was married 24 years to an N. Like you, I became a champion advocate in my community and poured my devotion into helping my chikd …while N grew worse and worse in his treatment. My competencies with my child and moving of mountains to facilitate best practices and outcomes while being a loving and good Mom to my other children coincided with slipping further and further into confusion toward my husband’s belligerence and total lack of emotional support or involvement.
Walking that journey alone while unknowingly having darts thrown in my back by my “partner” only to figure out decades later was NEVER a partner in any sense of the world was devastating but oh so liberating. When the totality of that realization hit me between the eyes in an instant…I
Sorry Sidney, my post sent before I was finished.
Bottom line: once I was awakened to the truth about my N husband- I walked away with my 3 kids in tow- trading in financial security , a home and a life for peace and self respect. He did his level best to undermine me, use the kids as pawns and smear me. I tapped into the self resilience and determination I’ve had since childhood and managed to navigate a nasty divorce with my sanity intact. The courts saw him for what he is and ruled in my favor. He lost it all. I just had to tell the truth.
A few months later, along came a sociopath and sat down beside me…but that is a different story. Much support to you in your journey. You can do it.
Sydney and Bethany, all I have to say is Wow!!! I have a 17 yr old son with autism. I remember my ex saying one time that people like me are more open minded and accepting because of the children we have. I Loved both of your posts. I never thought of myself as a strong person until I had to be an advocate for my child and then I turned into someone who wasn’t going to take “no” or any crap from people. And then my ex came along and I don’t know what happened to me. She took so much of me away. We must have all been the perfect prey for them. I am glad to have escaped and happy to hear that Bethany your story has a good ending and Sydney yours is headed in the right direction like mine.
Some say that we are all codependent but that would mean we need someone else to be happy… Absolutely not true. I love my freedom, I’m fine by myself and am rather self entertaining! 🙂 The only thing I have a hard time with is STILL knowing what toxicity you narcs are…but rest assured, eventually I will prob choose yet another. I will not change who I am, I am quite happy the way that I am and if I could give a price of myself to have everyone feel the way I do, I would. It is a shame that we cannot actually heal you narcs from your need for negative fuel because the positive fuel is enough to put us on cloud 9 and could keep us there for eternity… You would think that a narc would treasure the super empath greatly and realize that the risk of losing your precious fuel is imminent if you don’t watch your actions.
Thank you for this post, I no longer feel bad for leaving all of the narcs I’ve ever been with…even with the love I have carried for them, they were NOT deserving of my sweet fuel.
AGREED – 1,000,000,000 %
Dragoncreeper, beautiful words that I relate to completely. I also love when alone. It is when I’m at my best. You are spot on: regardless of all the reading, therapy, and self actualization… when it comes time for me to select another, I know it will be of the same kind. Perhaps this time, it will be the grand poobah of them all.
Love thank you, I only tell it exactly how I feel. I am a smart woman however I know myself and I know what a dark tangled mess I allow myself to jump into. I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t also get a thrill from the high they give and the challenges I have to combat to show them my love. It is a scary thought thinking of past loves however I am with you and I’m sure I’ll make the wrong choice again…
They don’t see it as their actions causing our departure. They see their actions changing as a result of OUR behaviors that cause the relationship demise. Hahaha
A super empath can take back more than she gave to a greater of your kind HG.
Her integrity will be protected at her own demise, she doesn’t care but her truth will be known and the exposure will be brutal.
This isn’t revenge, rather her truth and integrity. It is inevitable that exposure will come about in the process…
The greater will have to think twice before inflicting the same abuse again, the greater will also have to look over his shoulder a couple of times before making his moves.
The greater truly didn’t see the extent of the power in the super empath because she never exposed it to him in the first place (something inside kept telling her not to) I wonder if the greater ever realised who is actually greater.
The super empath doesn’t give a damn about revenge from your kind, the fear mongering portrayed on the media/ online or even think he will try a damn thing because she is waaay too much trouble now and involving her will do a higher degree of harm for him than good.
The moment the super empath went NC she went Stover without even knowing what stover was, it took one NC attempt for her and no looking back.
All the doors, windows and cracks are closed, there is no way in anymore, no excuses, she has no desire to check on the greater, never has, not on social media, nowhere.
She simply doesn’t give a damn but wait it gets better…………
The super empath studies and recollects the layers of abuse.
What is highlighted? Where are the wounds where a knife was stuck in and twisted? What hurts? Where does this all derive from? What age was she?
The super empath addresses and heals every single wound down to even a possible scratch……. And you know what?
The super empath reaches a new level of life, breath, happiness and all this in three months before her first therapy session even came around………….
The greater wasn’t so great after all.
Super empath took it all.
BEAUTIFUL!!! I know damn well I’m a Super Empath as well because your words just echoed my thoughts and feelings. Thank you so much for articulating, so well, your thoughts, as well as mine.
Very interesting post A. Girl. This is exactly how I would explain myself. Can I ask, do you have a personality disorder yourself? Do you feel all super empaths are like this or only those that have suffered abuse? I am very curious if there are others out here that identify with the trait of knowing a narc could not get to them if they no what there dealing with. I am by far an extremely powerful person BUT you would never ever no it and I never ever show it. I honestly think this is a built in wall for me in this area. When it’s discovered most are shocked but I no just went to tear it down and strike.
SII, I asked myself the same question many a times… Do I have a Cluster B disorder?
I have spoken to professionals about my concerns but everything indicates that I do not. I wouldn’t make my own judgement because I myself would deny it. Lol
I have been open to the possibility but again just being open to it directs me to a ‘no’.
I will be starting my Psychology course next year which will require me to see a Psychotherapist but at the moment my doctor’s, therapists all reassure me that there is no disorder. I actually don’t feel like I have one either because I am extremely empathetic and can feel people emotions to a degree that I am able to finish sentences of strangers.
I love with a fiery passion as well and am loyal to my core.
I have never ever in my life cheated and strongly believe in individuality and rights to self expression and freedom.
I never ever control or manipulate rather I will blatantly speak the truth but taking into account not to hurt others feelings.
I just have this energy in me that I can tap into when I need to and its great.
I think all of us Super Empaths have it in us but feel it’s potential through a higher level of awareness and spiritual awakening after severe life altering experiences. Narcissistic abuse being one of them.
You are very welcome Poetic Me, Im glad you relate Sharon. X
Lets start some awareness and change the world hey?
HG, how do you feel about living on an island with your kind away from the rest of us you guys can chase each other for supply and create havoc and chaos while never getting bored of the drama.
I know a great deserted Island in Greece.
It’s empty since the Lepers.
What say you?
Ha ha.
I’m in my tower on my own island. The ferryman will bring you across. Invite only.
No HG, No ferryman, no fresh supply…..just the good old Cluster B Psycho, Sociopaths.
You can all build your own towers and invite each other over……..
We would even be kind enough to drop food and medication if needed via helicopters.
We would consider it a small price to pay to protect the rest of society of your kind.
If I could make this a possibility, I surely would;)
Anonymous girl, you said some great things. Yes to digging down to heal the sliver of a cut.
About having this deep strength within, “I think all of us Super Empaths have it in us but feel it’s potential through a higher level of awareness and spiritual awakening after severe life altering experiences. Narcissistic abuse being one of them.c
I had severe life altering experience at 3. Extreme experiences after. And now I am grasping my mother is a narc. Yes, to your first post, we dig down and become greatet than ever. And only a Greater Narc could have spotted this and know, but any other kinds were clueless. He had no idea of my strength.
Yes my truth became known and exposure was brutal but honestly, it was brutal on me too. It took a toll and I am struggling a bit to find my empathic traits again and to find balance. I took it all back, all that he stole but I am tired now and sad because I didn’t get to keep him in amy shape or form.
We both lost in the last mega Super Nova explosion.
Sarabella, I was able to address the naming issue you raised.
Thank you so much for fixing that HG. I created a WP account to try to better track replies but things got a bit mixed up.
No problem, you are welcome.
Well stated, anonymous girl for all of us.
I just heard the pilot light switch on!!!
Those words washed over me like a satin sheet.
“Her integrity will be protected at her own demise”.
Indeed.
I wouldn’t get caught up on the ‘demise’ statement Bethany7337.
Integrity has a great deal of value and protection in itself.
I am currently in my home, new job, new car, new loving, caring, authentic, exciting partner, a great deal of travel plans to commence shortly, a huge number of loving friends and family.
I have also worked through all the How, What, When, Where and Why’s of ending up with the ‘not so Greater’.
Meanwhile in City of grandiosity, things are not looking so great…Supply just isn’t what it used to be, the boy seemed to have cried ‘wolf’ waaay too many times and looks… Well, we all know what a sudden lack of quality supply does for the ‘not so Great’ for some reason when looks start fading and the psychosis is visible to even the naked eye of the unaware it starts morphing into something that may need institutionalising.
Anyway, each to their own but one thing is for sure… The demise in this case cannot be claimed by the Super Empath by any means.
Night night. X
This is so beautiful, amazing, and true.!!!!
Thank you. Very well written. “The super” too often gets labeled as vindictive, when as you so eloquently stated it is the truth and nothing but the truth that destroyes the “greater” psychological abuser. The more they try to smear a super the more they destroy themselves by showing everyone the pure evil beneath the mask.
So beautiful! Those wounds became her tiger stripes! Agreed, no need for revenge, she leaves with her head held high, like the royalty she is.
Anonymous girl, I can fully relate to all you have said in both your comments. I too have felt these things since childhood. A sense of injustice for others that cannot be ignored, the need to stand up against abuse of self and others. To speak truth, to feel deeply in others. I feel and know the deceptions of others. Yet, I also chose to ignore them when I know I should not. I am loyal, faithful and honest. I am a questioner. The way I was child, is the way I still am as an adult, all the abuse I endured has not changed core values within myself. I am far from. Perfect, I am flawed, but I am genuine and I will defend. Thank you for your validating words.
Words given to my thoughts and feelings exactly. Thank you for your eloquent description A. G.
A beautiful share of empowerment AG.
Thank you for acknowledging the super human strength of s super empath. It is both a blessing and a curse to forgive and accept others at this level. The curse of course being targeted by Narcs. I honestly believe N3 discarded me because I would give no negative fuel. No matter what I stayed positive. Irony or serendipity? I’ll take the positive. It’s what I do. Which book will help me with getting his face out of my head please? I’m good on all other fronts.
Exorcism.
Oh that is perfect sarcasm.
No Shit!!! Just need him out of the head … that’s it.
I don’t quite know what I am, but I cannot bare to see others in pain and because I cannot bare it, I sort of become depressed when others are hurting, and I feel helpless. I also fall in-love way too easily. Sometimes I just feel like I love everybody and want to give everyone a great big hug.
me tooo hugs and nice weekend ☀️☀️ to all
Thank you, Nikita <3 <3 <3 Big Hugsssss
💞💞😃😃💞💞
Weeee…<3 <3 <3…that made my day! Thank you, Nikita <3
As a codependent this is how I coped with abuse, it is much too painful to accept denial is key, when abuse became to apparent piercing through my own protections then I had no choice but to escape, everything had to be my fault, and into the dark depths of guilt shame and personal hell I would dive into just to keep the illusion alive…..described below….I don’t think Empaths do this?
Enchanting Escapes
(from my blog on facebook)
A hot scorching bath, water to cleanse the filth I have accumulated over several months, a strong drink to kill the organisms swarming inside my belly, music and candles to remind me of all the nights I cried till I drifted to sleep from exhaustion, a pen and paper to scribble confessions on, all things mandatory to answer my dark heart, her calls have become tireless, I am left no choice but to return. I sink into the heat, noting the steam rising from my body, my skin turning bright pink, I wince yet am delighted with the physical irritation it brings me, a welcomed vacation from melodramatic emotions. The white bubbles glow with rainbow rings, a small smile emerges from my pursed lips, I slowly release the day’s tears, the salt stings and slip slowly towards the voices I know well, I find comfort as I near my personal hell.
Reality fades, my perpetual life dilemmas disappear, every wrong and each throbbing wound I knot around my neck to choke the current pain I cannot recognize. I hear her voice, “You have always been a mess.” Yes, Yes, I beg silently, tell me more. I hunt an abyss within, where I hide, in search of the deepest, blackest locations of my mind. Pictures of wild fantasies of beautiful and pitiful staged death’s hang in the air taunting and reminding me how many times I have visited. “End it, and there will be no more agony, free yourself, it is the only way out.” I clutch the memories in my bawled fists, I grab tightly all evidence that I am unworthy, and kiss every sin I pass by. I am a waste, everything I touch, turns to dust. The present vanishes, the tormenting past and foreboding future pulsates, and I will stay in my pit until it is again safe. I would rather go through my own hell then accept the hell I am put through by outsiders. The idea of those I love dearly, inflicting pain, misery, and intentional control over me is too damaging for me to face, I am not prepared for that kind of assassination. I welcome my habit to demoralize in these pits, wallow, and to succumb to the shadows and screams that swirl about me. A dark force sinks razor sharp teeth upon my emotions, devouring my thoughts and infiltrating it’s conspiracies into my brain. I can hide out, I can die a little death, and when things settle above, when the truth subsides and the sugar spills once more, then I can peek out from the earth and allow the sun to feed me, and lift me from the depths once more.
I can sustain the illusion again, over and over, and this is how I am able to cope, carry on, while other’s would of ran, or gave up right away. I was built for this, I was programmed, and my biggest strength is to survive, to do so I must attack and break – down, consciousness, common sense, and any critical thinking skills I have acquired along the way. I am controlled, yet I am in control, a person built the cage, yet I have the key, some one holds me captive, yet I am free. How many small deaths must I die, how many rebirths must I rise till I break through the glass and let my world shatter?
The truth I seek death from will liberate, the final onslaught, the murder of my existence, will be the last, and once I choose, it will be done, my hell hole will fill up with cement, and there will be no returns.
Oh, Darling, I understand and feel you so much… I, too, walk these misty valleys. I come to the same conclusions.
This thread contains a lot of beautiful and valuable entries. It’s worth reading all of them. I identify with many, including the fiery and brave ones.
But this post touched me in particular, it hit me straight to the heart. I hug you, wherever you are now.
Time for my massage. Ahhh it is a full-time job being me.
I find your posts most illuminating, HG. Although my relationship with a greater narc lasted only 4 months, it has had an unusually lasting impact on me. Because I was married for 21 years to a “normy” until 2 years ago, my exposure to narcs was skewed to those who became newsworthy with their horrid criminal activity. Your blog and books educated me about your kind once my narc completely vanished with no precipitating event, after 3 months of love bombing. I was dumbfounded, etc. A dear friend told me that he was back on a dating site immediately, and I also had a conversation with one of his relatives who “filled me in” on all the sordid parts of his life that he omitted. Both of these became incredible gifts that catapulted me into going no contact immediately. I did not experience the devaluation and he did not hoover — I hoovered! About 3 months after the discard, I texted him a photo of a tennis skirt and panties that he loved…nothing else…no text accompanying the photo. Hours later he replied with one word – “and…” To which I answered “anything you want…me” I found myself at his home and in his arms that night at his invitation. Although it felt good to be with him again physically, I was being manipulative – trying to show him that I was the one in charge. I did not bring up the past or ask any questions…I kept it completely physical. He asked me to spend the night and I said no. This happened one more time. I felt powerful…like I was going to be the one who took advantage of him and then walked away. Then, he sent me a text telling me he was getting married very soon, which was bizarre behavior since he said to me quite often that he never wanted to get married again (he was married once for 28 years until 3 years ago). As I reflect back on our last time together before the vanishing discard, I think he was trying to pick fights with me as the beginning of the devalue, but I don’t argue anymore. I’d rather be happy than right. I’m still perplexed about his marriage to a woman he knew for 3 months (I know his discard of me overlapped with him finding her). So, HG, I am so curious about his motivations — according to your thematic posts – I get that I was just additional fuel for him, even while he professed his undying love to his new supply. Is it really that simple?
The last of his narc behavior is that he wanted me to come over the night he told me he was marrying someone. That really wigged me out – I mean he one-upped me for sure! And, the text conversation ended when he said, “I only want what you want and you seemed to want to come see me for what feels good just for the moment.” To which I replied “I want a man who is loyal, has integrity and is honest.” His final reply was, “oh, I understand” And, that was the last time I communicated with him, which was in early June. I learned through a mutual friend that he married 2 days later. My conclusion is that I messed with fire and got burned. Even though I have gotten quite an education from you, I still find myself thinking of him. I will stay no contact though and although I’ve dated a lot since him, no one has been able to “scratch my itch” like he did YET. That’s probably just the way your kind hopes it will be…thanks for the incredible education. I am far more healed because of your writings…I consider your blog and books and followers’ comments to be quite symbiotic and mutually gratifying. If I smoked, I might actually light one up right now…
Hello ONNN, excuse the delay in replying as I have been away. I am pleased you find my work illuminating and I read your recollection with interest. I wondered about why you did not experience a period of devaluation and it may have been the case that he realised that you were not the fuel supply he thought you would be and he managed to find a superior one very quickly just as he commenced the devaluation (picking fights as you describe) and then jumped ship accordingly.
The fact that he has married somebody after three months and when he professed to not wanting to marry again whilst surprising from your perspective, should not actually surprise you. We like to bind our victims to us and a swift marriage is one method of doing so. Just because it was not done with you does not mean it would not be done with somebody else. The fact he contradicted his stance is standard for our kind as we do what we want and say what we want irrespective of consistency or fact. You were fuel to him as you have identified and he will hoover you in the future if there is a trigger and the conditions are correct for the hoover to be executed. Thank you for your kind comments about my writing and I am pleased that you have found it to be of use. Yes, you will still feel the need to have him scratch your itch, because of the effects of his infection and the existence of the mixture but you have awareness and the tools available to deal with that now.
HG: Thanks for your thoughtful reply and I understand you stay quite busy with your 2 lives (maybe more?). Your choice of noun “infection” left me with a disgusting image that I will use to my advantage. Experientially, I am finding great value in your expertise and your views are proving to be quite valid. I have a date tonight with a very handsome man who is a few years younger than me and says that he usually dates women in their 30’s (I’ve got 2 decades on them). He says I’m uncharted waters which presents me with a fun challenge. My point is that I’m going to be looking for the flags…it’s akin to putting him in a petri dish and seeing what grows (back to your choice noun again…). I hope you have great plans for the weekend and here’s to your marionettes du jour.
Hello Onlynow, thank you for your comment. How did your date go? Did you spot any red flags? Did you try to flush any out?
Sssssss, I felt a familiar vibe. Oh, I miss, even though I just hit pause.
Beautifully codified HG.! It just keeps making more and more sense. One day we will all graduate with honors because of your wisdom.!!
EXACTLY!!!
a dream
Amazing yet again HG, I always look forward to seeing what new information you have to give.
Thank you
Is it fair to say HG, that the narcissists that can’t handle the super empath bitterly respect them in the end?
I wouldn’t say so Ally, the Lesser would be infuriated by the failure an lash out, the Mid-Range would sulk and slink away. The Greater is more likely to succeed but if we did not there might, just might be a grudging respect but it is slim.
I know you are but what am I?
You know I am what?
A Narc. A very high level functioning one. A scary guy, one your mom told you to avoid. Dark Demon. Master of some. Thief of Souls, emotional vamp. A destroyer of lives. Predator
Shall I go on?
A Teacher, Author and Advisor.
Marvellous.
This makes me feel paranoid.
A minion pleases the master again. I am learning, you are a great teacher.
Oh my, the nose is a bit brown.
I have an Apple for you too. Shall I put it on the desk?
As long as it’s an Apple iPhone 7
I wish to be the teacher’s pet. Just kidding.
I do not think I am upgrading to 7, have you?
I shall be doing so tomorrow now that I have returned.
Let me know what you think.
I shall do so.
Superwoman. Yep, I’ll go with that as my category.
Yep, I’m with you there. Never be defined by anyone but yourself!
I’m not sure if I’d be considered a Super Empath or not, but the Narc most definitely was never able to jolt me with his negative machinations. I was certainly a challenge for him because I rarely let anything slide past me and when he’d get angry, I’d ask if he felt better after his tantrums. I never played into them. It took the Narc years before he was ever able to pounce on me, mostly because it took time for him to earn my trust. Once he did, however, his benefits were definitely huge. So how does a Greater Narc feel about hoovering a Super Empath, once the (one and only) discard has taken place, and the Super Empath makes no attempts at contacting him again? It’s been 6 months now and I’ve heard nothing more from the Narc, which is perfectly fine by me. I understand he, more than likely, has another source (including his wife), which keeps him away, but do they have any thoughts in regard to hovering a Super Empath, specifically?
You are showing characteristics of being a Super Empath, Sharon, from what you have written. Whether a hoover will happen from a Greater to a Super Empath will depend on whether the SE has entered a sphere of influence and then whether the relevant criteria are met for the hoover to be executed (see Hoover Time – Sphere One for more) . The potential gain from a SE will certainly prove an attraction but of course with that comes a potential risk of rejection and therefore hoovering SE would be done from a position of being fuelled and more likely to be done by a Greater than the other schools of narcissist.
Can you please tell me what I am, HG Sir? Please, though, no bad names… I mean, an Empath, Codependent, or Super Empath?
What do you think you are?
I don’t know… I think I am a Super Empath and also a Greater, Elite BPD.
The terms of greater and elite are applicable to Npd not BPD.
As for Super Empath, you may well be right, I need to learn more about you before I make a determination.
No.
I mean, “No, thank you”, of course.
I completely agree with you, HG. I honestly do not believe he (who is a Greater Narc) will hoover me based on the soul fact that he absolutely knows he’d be rejected by me. I know he would never allow his pride to be hurt a second time, after I criticized him the first time, which caused him to engage the silent treatment in the first place. I also believe if I were to ever enter his sphere again, the need for him to gain fuel from me would definitely be an attraction to him, but in the long run, I just don’t see it happening because of the risk of rejection he’d be faced with.
I can strongly relate to this post.
I think you can shift from co-dependant to super empath when you hit rock bottom.
I remeber reading in a few places that once an empath has been broken, usually by a narc or other cluster B. That they come back strong and more intune with their empathetic traits. Like you said a super empath. I agree with you and I identify more with this post than that of a co dependent.
I’m not sure what I am as I have traits of both. But now that I am aware of what I’m dealing with ( a Narc or narcopath). I am much stronger and more resistant of his manipulations. I know I was broken. That’s what lead me to searching and how I ended up here. Maybe it’s a reason to thank him because it has made me stronger.
But of course I have to thank HG because his teachings have made me what I am now. HG has created a monster 😎
HG
Do you ever come across the empath who is all of the super empath traits but as the relationship carries on she switches to narc traits. You were figured out but now the game will be played on you. It has been ruled out, I am not Narc. However, I would play a narc today if one pursed me. Yet I have more empathy for the victims in the world then most people. This is a standing unanswered question maybe you can weigh in on?
No I would not have this happen because of the screening I undertake but I take your point and I see potential for a Lesser to be fooled in such a way.
Can you screen out someone for potential to go Super Nova on you? What would you look for?
A Super Empath always has potential. Thus those that have the traits of the Super Empath are those who have the potential to have an Empathic Supernova.
How does this Super Nova end? Does it ever go back to sleep and the Super Empath goes back to her normal state?
When someone has gone this route on you, what happens next? How do you manage it in the end? Massive discard? I can’t imagine any returned fake lovebombing would ever work at this point, so how do you finally dis-engage? You must have experienced this enough to even notice this particular step up from the Super Empath response. Were there signs that told you she was about to go Super Nova on you? Words she used? actions she took? Did you ever come back to her and hoover her and what was it like then?
Or is Super Nova the place where the Super Empath blows the dynamic to smithereens and makes her final escape?
The turned down empathic traits reappear so the narcissistic ones become less evident. It often leads to an escape but a greater will fight against it to maintain control, relishing the opportunity for the fuel arising from such a conflict.
I just wonder what triggers the empath to turn down the narcissistic traits? I wonder if it matches my experience. I just ‘gave up the fight’. I sent gim a message, and he did not respond per se, but gave me the clear msg that he ‘heard me’ by accepting a DM he could have just read but not accept (we are not social media friends so a msg has to be accepted).
I just gave it all up. We are a dead match for our wills. We proved that to each other. Dead match. But 2 years of fighting long distance is enough. If its true, I am truly an empath, and am clairsentient, then this will never end. He will ‘be in my life’ like it or not, even from so far away. that sucks.
I also started to feel for the poor soul in what I said and did to him. My narc traits ‘paid him back’. He went through another person and I have to feel a bit sorry for him now. I think he is somewhere between a mid and greater. He would be a greater I think if he had the kind of money you have. I think one of his greatest rages is that he does not. And since this rage has been in him for a long time, its eaten him up. Its taken its tole on him from the inside out.
I just gave up, but for the first time, I feel I have my power back and it was ok to give up. Before, it was a huge threat. A few things happened but I wonder why I felt finally ok giving up? I wonder if you noticed a pattern that leads to an empath to supress the narc traits? Some precipitating event?
Just my opinion, SII … As for myself being what I now believe to be a Super Empath, I don’t think a Super Empath would allow her/himself to give a shit about playing the same games with a Narc at any time. I think a Super Empath is much too proud and would rather walk away with their head held high, than to lower themselves to the level of any Narc. I don’t believe a Super Empath would be willing to give the Narc that kind of satisfaction once they’ve escaped from them. Again, this is just me speaking for myself. 🙂
We think we can fix them and save their souls
Super empaths have a darkside. Woe betide a narcissist who pushed a super to far.
very interesting. I am according to the above not a codependent at all… I self diagnosed.. Maybe wrongly..
Yes, Nikita, I think we need we need to read his upcoming book on empaths. I still have many questions regarding empathetic, empath, HSP, super empath and co dependent. I always referred to myself as atypical, anomoly, paradox, hybrid. It is based in that which I feel and the intensity of knowing and intuition. The ability to sense deceptions, ploys and mechanisms of others. To advocate and risk oneself for the greater good. To never back away from the truth and always seek it.
Being a good person, Nikita, is a high honour in this world we live.
Hi J. I have decided I am MN ( my initials ) 😃😃😃. Have a nice day 😃😃
HG
Interesting post. More interesting how you studied empathy and categorized it. I am not sure where I fit. The narc. game played on me had to have been fun and a nightmare lol.
I identify with the super empath. Great post