A Very POTUS Narcissist

A VERY POTUS

On 20th January 2017, Donald Trump became the 45th President of the United States of America.

Various people have expressed their opinion that President Trump is a narcissist. This article is not going to be a detailed piece about whether he is or not. That is unnecessary and frankly, adds little to understanding. President Trump is one of our kind. That is apparent but hardly remarkable.

All US Presidents have been shown to either have been narcissists or have strong narcissistic traits. Indeed, some of the most successful and popular US Presidents have been clear narcissists, exhibiting significant charisma, magnetism and grandiosity. This includes Lyndon Johnson, Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

This is not limited to the US. Wade through history, both recent and distant and leader after leader of countries, empires and dynasties can be shown to be narcissists. Other traits such as psychopathy and Machiavellianism are prevalent. In order to get to the top and rule a country one must have an unshakeable belief in oneself, to know what one is doing is right, to be unconcerned by offending feelings, to be driven, have a strong sense of self-preservation, manipulate, charm and inspire. Average will not cut it. Being an everyman will not get you there. Our kind do get there. Repeatedly.

It is therefore not a surprise at all that President Trump is one of our kind. What perhaps is surprising to some is that it is so obvious. Indeed, it almost at times appears like a caricature of narcissism since for someone so successful there is little or no credence given to the maintenance of the facade for which successful narcissists are infamous. The facade is there but with President Trump it manifests in a different manner.

If you think that this is going to be an article bashing or lauding The Donald then prepare to be disappointed. Go to your relevant echo chamber if you want to read about that. This article is to add the perspective of what can be expected from President Trump as viewed by one of his own. Naturally dependent on your perspective, you may regard it as good, bad or some of each, but it is a detailed observation about what to expect, from one who knows his own kind.

  1. He will get things done because he and the country are one.

Why is this? Donald Trump wants the USA to be great again. He campaigned on such a slogan. He wants this because then the United States of Donald Trump will be even greater. The US is an extension of President Trump. In common with our kind, he does not want to be controlled by his environment; he wants to control it. He regards the country and its people as an extension of him and he exerts the ultimate authority over it all. He wants that country to thrive because that means he will thrive through the production of all of the fuel that will come his way.

Like any leader he will face opposition to his plans. President Trump campaigned on building a wall between the US and Mexico. It may not turn out to be concrete all the way along, it will not be some Great Wall of America, but there will be a barrier. Why? Because that is his monument. He wants to create a monument to himself. This edifice which is the ultimate symbol of control. A wall, a fence, a barrier says “You can come in, but not you.” It says “I am going to protect you on this side and stop you on that side.” By creating this wall, President Trump creates a manifestation of his desire for control and also a physical and lasting monument to his perceived greatness. There will be attempts to exclude it from spending bills, to frustrate its construction but President Trump will see it done because it is his wall. It is him.

2. He will get things done because of an indefatigable desire to maintain superiority

In common with our kind, President Trump regards himself as in a class of one, above everybody else and why not? He is the oldest and wealthiest President in history. He has no governmental or military experience before taking office and he could not even rely on being a film star (although TV may half tick this box). Yet he became President of the United States and thus the most powerful man in the world. He believes that such a position is his right and entitlement and that the office was always destined to be his. To ensure he maintains superiority he will not give up. He must win every fight, he must ensure his opponent stays unsettled, belittled and whatever it takes to remain the one who has superiority. Witness the refusal to shake hands with Angela Merkel the German Chancellor. Diplomatic protocols and political niceties do not matter – he does what he wants and such an act ensured, in his mind, he held the advantage in that meeting.

President Trump’s stance on refugees is well-documented after he warned that admitting refugees from generally Muslim nations presented a threat to US security. Wasting no time, he issued an executive order suspending a refugee programme for 120 days. This was halted by a federal judge. President Trump did not wait around, he issued a revised executive order. Again this was halted by federal judges in Hawaii and Maryland. President Trump has stated he will fight the case all the way to the Supreme Court and he will.  A narcissist who wishes to maintain his superiority over his spouse when arguing about his late arrival from an evening of drinking will engage in blame-shifting, projection, denial, deflection, word salad and many more manipulations so he maintains the upper hand. He will twist and turn to stay on top. President Trump is no different. His desire to get his way will mean he will also twist and turn, order, demand and so forth so his superiority remains intact because to him as one of our kind it absolutely has to.

3. He will get things done because he is, from his perspective, always right

The Narcissistic Perspective which I have explained previously in Toxic Logic means that whilst we are looking at the same facts as you, we have differing perspectives. Those who are not of our kind find this difficult to grasp as they regard their perspective as the one that must be right and our stance is illogical, but to us our perspective is logical and right because it serves us and our needs.

This unshakeable belief in always being right serves to drive President Trump forward. It means that when he faces an obstacle, it is wrong and he is right and therefore it must be removed, surmounted or broken through and such action is also right. The maintenance of this perspective results in frequent and extensive blame-shifting. A Gallery of Villains is created who are shown to be irrational and dangerous opponents seeking to damage the righteous and right narcissist.

Take a look at President Trump’s Gallery of Villains, those who are to be blamed for various ills and who he shifts blame onto in order to remain right. Obama, Crooked Hillary, Little Marco (Marco Rubio), Muslims, China, Washington (“drain the swamp”), Mexican Americans, Democrats, the BBC, environmentalists and of course, the media, to name some.

Now of course it is hardly unheard of for an administration to blame others for current problems but the scale and extent of this blame-shifting is entirely representative o four kind and it will continue. Other people will always be at fault so target your annoyance, your hatred at them but not President Trump. He will not shy away from blaming anybody. His spokes person Sean Spicer has been criticised by President Trump, he is not afraid to chuck bodies on the bonfire be they longstanding villains or fresh ones, even from his own side.

By placing the blame always somewhere else and maintaining his superiority of being right, President Trump will continue to forge forward. Yes, he will create enemies, he will create protests and divide people, but of course he does not care. Why? Because he is right and they are at fault. 3 million protesting? So what? They are wrong and anyway it is fuel to him. Millions did not protest and millions voted for him, that is what he will be thinking.

4. He will use the narcissistic quality of victimhood to his advantage

This ties in with blame-shifting also. Our kind regard ourselves as victims when it suits us in order to engender sympathy, to derive pity, to manipulate, to achieve what we want and this is borne out of our perspective that the world is a cruel and harsh place where it  is seeking to do us down. By playing the victim we seek to blame-shift and avoid accountability whilst generating justification for our own actions.

President Trump is an extensive deployer of the concept of victimhood for the purposes of creating loyalty, stigmatising opponents and maintaining his stance as the one who will be the saviour. In his speeches he has referred to

“people that were mistreated by Government for many, many years”

“victims of illegal crime”

“American carnage”

“The jobs left”

“they’ve made us look foolish”

He creates a justifiable (from his perspective) them and us approach and of course that is in keeping with the narcissistic trait of split thinking. There is no grey. You are either with him or you are against him. You are either the perpetrator of awful activities against his people (and by extension him) or you are going to do something right and be loyal people (and by extension validate him). President Trump has no time for those he has painted ‘black’ with this split thinking. They are the enemy and have no standing. Again, those in the Gallery of Villains will be undermined through the application of narcissistic traits which leads us to the next point.

5. He will create his own truth

Much has been made of the concept of living in ‘post truth’ times. The adoption of a reality which accords with the needs of the narcissist is one of the hallmarks of narcissistic existence. The creation of a world where we are the ultimate controllers of everything around us, is important, and in order to do so, everything must be bent to our will to achieve this and if we cannot bend the world around us to do what we want, we create our own world, which is essentially Sigmund Freud’s extension of the latin quote

‘Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo’

(If I cannot bend the powers above, I will move the Infernal Regions)

Accordingly, this has led to the rise of fake news. If the output of the villainous news outlet does not accord with the narcissistic perspective then it is denied and labelled fake news. A new world with a new logic is being created and this will continue. It is worth making the point of course that this bending of facts is committed by both sides, since a slant can always be placed on news, however this moves beyond slants and spin but instead the wholesale dismissal of news as being fake and therefore invalid.

This creation of a new world outlook will continue and therefore anything that is presented to President Trump that does not align with his outlook will be dismissed, rejected and labelled in this manner.

This truth creation is a double edged sword. On the one had it maintains the belief of superiority and the ability to get things done, but it will also bring about conflict. Of course, that conflict will be caused by those regarded as being in the wrong and will lack any foundation of validity.

6. He will improve the US economy (but at a cost)

President Trump is a successful business man. He is worth between $3.5 and $10 billion dependent on who you ask, but what’s a few billion at that level? That denotes success. He knows he is successful. His self-belief (both based on achievement and delusional grandeur) means he knows best for the economy and in part that is right. His stance on trade which will see a more protectionist approach, his stated desire to create 25 million jobs over 10 years and his tax proposals will be achieved. This will see the US economy move upwards and there will be economic growth with a larger economy. Other countries will rush to court the US with shifting trade arrangements because the US is the ultimate trade partner and what it does dictates the global economy (witness the sub-prime fallout of 2008 as a recent example). Against this, the proposed enforcement of immigration will see millions of unpaid labourers removed. This will ultimately have an adverse effect on the economy but not after a period when domestic workers will be able to enjoy the boon afforded by the emphasis on hiring workers from the US. This will be a useful vote-winning and populist move but it will affect the economy so that the economic growth which will still occur, will not be as great as it might have been. The main cost however of this will be an increase in the deficit but President Trump will not care about that. It will be someone else’s fault and he will be focused on showcasing his triumphs through increased employment and an upturned economy.

7. Creation of an echo chamber

President Trump has already surrounded himself with admirers and those who think like him and accord with his values. Rex Tillerson (Secretary of State) worked for Exxon for 40 years and thus is a fellow rich businessman. Steve Mnuchin (Treasury Secretary) is a Wall Street insider from Goldman Sachs amongst other financial institutions. James Mattis (Secretary of Defence) is a popular and well-liked retired general who is known for blunt comments – just like the President. John Kelly (Department of Homeland Security Secretary) clashed with Obama on illegal immigrants between the US and Mexico. President Trump has installed his son-in-law as an advisor and his daughter has recently had a formal position created for her. This birds of a feather mentality ensures that he is surrounded by like thinkers who will accord with his views and provide momentum to what he requires.

It is not all one way traffic however. President Trump will make changes and volte faces as it suits him (as our kind regularly do) although any kind of allegation of contradictions, about turns or hypocrisy will always be rejected – it has to, superiority has to be maintained. An example of this is how in late January President Trump signed a Presidential Memorandum removing traditional military and intelligence advisers as regular attendees of the National Security Council’s Principal Committee and he appointed Steve Bannon (a clear Lieutenant) who is his chief strategist as regular attendee. By 4th April, the influence of HR McMaster (National Security Adviser who replaced Michael Flynn who had just 24 days in office) reversed those changes. This epitomises the compartmentalisation that we engage in. What was right yesterday, is wrong today and is then right again tomorrow and those decisions and outcomes remain separated.

In our minds the decision was always right all along and history has been revised in accordance with our narcissistic mindset and the need to maintain superiority (see The Revision of History ). If President Trump sees that it will achieve what is to be done, then he will make those changes. There is no dithering, no hesitation. The changes may contradict previous stances but not in his mind. His mind will always find a way to brush aside such allegations.

8. Frustration will cause achievement but foster resentment

In accordance with his huge sense of entitlement, what the President wants done must be done immediately and if not it is a criticism and his churning fury which is always there will start to ignite.

All narcissists have this fury. When we are criticised (which is not the same as criticism that a non-narcissist experiences) but rather, it is fuel free criticism and our fury ignites. Some of us can keep this under control, others cannot and it manifests as heated fury (physical violence, property destruction, shouting, name calling) or cold fury (cold shoulder, silent treatments, exclusion, sulking) .

President Trump suffers such narcissistic criticism often and this wounds him. His fury ignites. He does not go so far as to physically assault people, that is not his major weapon – Twitter is.

As a prolific tweeter, President Trump uses the social medium to display his heated fury and in turn the re-tweets and likes by the tens of thousands provide him with fuel which heals the wound caused by the criticism and his fury abates.

On the 7th February, clearly frustrated (and thus wounded by this criticism) of the dilatory nature by which his cabinet was not in place, he tweeted

‘It is a disgrace my cabinet is not yet in place, the longest delay in the history of our country.”

It was not the longest delay but that does not matter. His impatience and frustration is evident, something our kind suffers from and he sees no need to hide it.

Following Meryl Streep’s criticism of him at the Oscars, President Trump again turned to Twitter and referred to Streep as a “Hillary flunky” a clear response to being wounded.

When things are not being done to his liking and at the required speed, this will feel like a criticism to him. His fury will ignite and he will dismiss people, criticise them openly through Twitter and other means and take other steps to get done what he wants. This will have the advantage of causing matters to progress and people to operate through fear (love and fear being the chief reactions caused by our kind) but behind this will be a growing resentment at those who feel they have been badly treated as a consequence of these manifestations of ignited fury borne out of criticism arising from delay and frustration.

9. There will be no smoothing of the bombastic, straight talking

There are those who may have thought that achieving the goal of office and the standing that comes with it, then President Trump might somewhat calm down and apply some finesse and diplomatic gloss to his behaviour and words. There is unsurprisingly no evidence of that having happened so far and nor will it.

He, of course, as explained above is right about everything he says and everybody who disagrees is wrong. This straight talking has appeal, obviously to many voters who became tired of the coded speeches, political spin and doublespeak of other candidates and administrations. President Trump’s plain speaking means he regularly labels people (another narcissistic trait) and as mentioned above one of his biggest was to refer to Hillary Clinton as Crooked Hillary. He has repeatedly insulted news reporters in conferences and of course famously imitated disabled reporter Serge Kovaleski at a party rally in 2015.

This incident also evidenced President Trump’s capability for compartmentalisation and the revision of history (both of which will serve him in maintaining the upper hand) as later he declared

“I have no idea who this reporter Serge Kovaleski is”

and went even further to evidence our split-second contradictory behaviour by adding

“Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.”

He also revels in taking hold of plain speaking directed at him and his allies. When Clinton referred to his supporters as a “basket of deplorables” this was seized on as a badge of honour and appropriated. Insults and plain speaking are in his domain and he will continue to use these devices to further his aims whilst turning the tables on anybody who uses them against him.

Such an attitude will enable him to get business done, to face down opponents but for every success achieved through this he is likely to create another problem through alienation and insult.

10. He will do what he wants

In accordance with the narcissistic sense of entitlement, failure to recognise boundaries, lack of accountability and preoccupation with unlimited success, President Trump will do what he wants. He considers himself unfettered and will adopt a Nixonian stance of

“When the President does it, that means it is not illegal.”

This will allow him to drive matters forward, he will consolidate popularity with his own supporters but he will draw challenges and disapproval elsewhere. Hence already his support remains high in his core supporters but his approval rating as a whole has fallen. Your opinion does not matter because if you are not with him then you are wrong and not to be listened to. You can be shuffled out of his inner circle and someone else will be found instead to provide the validation that narcissists require.

Furthermore, President Trump was democratically elected which means that this can only reinforce his belief that he is always right. His evident magnetism, driven attitude and bluff charm appealed to millions who felt let down and abandoned by a technocratic elite. But winning the electoral college vote was not enough to accord with this sense of right and entitlement. President Trump asserted that he would have won the popular vote as well if millions of immigrants had not voted illegally. Whether there is any evidence to support this assertion, it does not matter. This view accords with his sense of grandiosity – he in his mind achieved total victory because he will adopt the perspective which allows this to happen and this unlocks and maintains the right to do as he pleases.

Already, during his presidency, President Trump has spent 15% of his time at Trump owned or branded properties. Why not? They are his properties and he is President. He can do as he pleases. Mar-a-Lago has become the Winter White House. People criticise this mixing of official and self-interest but President Trump rejects this. He can do what he wants. They are wrong for a hundred reasons that the narcissistic perspective puts in place by way of defence mechanism.

This mixing of of self-interest with his duties as president has caused his critics to think this will cause him problems because of the emoluments clause of the US Constitution. President Trump’s lawyers disagree saying the emoluments do not apply to him. President Trump added clarification stating

“The law is totally on my side, meaning the President cannot have a conflict of interest.”

Again, he does what he wants. Again, this will allow progress but with an associated cost to those left by the wayside by this juggernaut approach.

11. Conflict looms

It is highly likely that President Trump’s administration will engage in conflict. This seems less likely with Russia (although of course his critics will continue to maintain that he is some kind of pro-Russian stooge being worked by Putin) but more likely with China. The US is the world’s dominant power. President Trump wishes to reduce the US’s role as the world’s policeman and adopt a more isolationist approach. This will occur and will be done for several reasons, one of which is to address the fact that China is a rising power. History shows that major conflicts are always triggered by the appearance of a rising power and the dominant power’s need to maintain dominance. One might regard this as an obvious response and one of self-defence, but add to that the fact that the Commander-in-Chief’s narcissistic self-defence mechanism to remain dominant and superior in everything, it makes for a flammable situation. Already President Trump’s tweet about Taiwan’s ruler congratulating his election ruffled Chinese feathers and the Chinese will not sit idly by if Taiwan is interfered with. Strong talking from President Trump is likely to lead to conflict between the US and China although the scale of such conflict is difficult to gauge.

Similarly, President Trump’s stance with regards to Muslim refugees, ISIS and most recently Syria will result in US intervention in the Middle East. He will maintain a firm stance against ISIS and terrorism which will maintain popularity with his supporters but will naturally irritate in various degrees the countries of the Middle East.

President Trump will put himself first which means by extension the US will come first. The two concepts are inextricably linked and this will cause tensions and conflict overseas but will bring with it populism and patriotic support.

There is much more that might be written about what the future holds. President Trump will continue to be supported by many who see him as the catalyst that the US has been waiting for and if this means cracking a few eggs along the way, then so be it. Nobody can deny he is a man of success – wealthy, President, famous – and that is because of his inherent narcissism which has driven him to achieve all of this.

He will have made opponents in business and now those opponents are lining up in academia, the media, politics, (national and international) and on the street in protests. This will not concern him as it is all fuel to him. Love him, hate him, but never ignore him. There will be those who will now be compiling a dossier of transgressions with a view to impeaching him in due course. The attempt will be made but he will survive it. This is because as one of our kind, President Trump is designed and engineered to survive. He will always have supporters and even his detractors will fuel him and cause him to continue. He has before and this will not change.

He must remain in control. He must remain the one with the whip hand. He has to be superior and everything about him is programmed to bring that about. He will achieve much and will cause division but that does not concern him. He will be challenged many times but he will have to be dragged out of the White House before he will go anywhere else and of course before that will happen one must have regard to the others of our kind who have a vested interested in one of the brethren operating in this rudimentary, obvious and effective manner. They will protect their investment. We always do.

 

 

 

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582 thoughts on “A Very POTUS Narcissist”

  1. HG, a follow up question please. So the cognitive abilities are indeed one of the factors in the categorization of schools. Which now that I think about it, makes a lot of sense because the ability to control fury or strong emotions in general are based on the strength of the executive functions of the brain. But can you please clarify that a highly educated Upper Lesser, even though Trump was not a Rhodes scholar like Bill Clinton, can still successfully and intelligently lead a country. I guess what I’m trying to ask is that, just because someone belongs to a Lesser school, doesn’t mean he can’t ever successfully lead the country. I mean, he was able to run his business into an empire, he would not have been able to do that if he was reallt dumb.

    1. This comment fell on the wrong spot. This is part of my response to Windstorm and NA regarding Trump’s ability to lead a country while belonging to a Lesser.

  2. HG, I’ve never seen you have to redirect any of us on here. It’s kind of cute.
    “Focus on your own walls!” LOVE. IT. Indeed, our own boundaries need work. Barriers, walls, fences, concrete, steel, what have you….

    You sure you’re not someone’s father? You’re good at telling others to behave.

    1. 69Revolver,

      Ain’t that the truth? I love it too. That’s my new motto now: focus on my walls. 😊

  3. This thread and “the wall” is fascinating in terms of the subject of narcissm. It definitely shows that in the minds of empaths that narcissism= bad which is not necessarily the case. It is if you are married to them but they are often highly effective people.This thread very representative of how many empaths use their emotions to guide them not logic. They often feel they have to like or be liked to = good. Empaths have a hard time being objective about those they don’t like. It’s also fascinating or not so fascinating seeing a group of folks in which many have poor boundaries against the concept of a wall although logic would say a wall enforcing boundaries would logically make slit of sense. The arguments opposing the wall that I’ve read here are all emotion driven and based on whether either their like or dislike of Trump.

    ‘This thread was very telling of how the path thinks Very Interesting…

    1. Lori
      No, narcissists in high positions of power are not necessarily bad. But lesser narcissists in high positions of power are bad. If for no other reasons than they are by definition, less intelligent and also less capable of working with others who do not agree with them. Otherwise they would not be “lesser narcissists.”

      1. I’m sorry but that is not necessarily true. There are many Narcissists that would do benevolent things because it works for them to. Just because that works for them and they benefit doesn’t mean it’s bad. This is what I am talking about. The empath often sees the world in black and white as well. Narcissist = bad and empathy = good. Saying that every world leader that’s a narcissist or every CEO of a company that’s a narcissist is just not factual. Just because you may not enjoy being married to one or working for one doesn’t mean fhat they don’t run companies and countries well. It just doesn’t. Just because someone has a selfish motivation doesn’t mean what they did was bad. Many empaths “do good “ for selfish reasons it’s just they aren’t as transparent about it.

        Narcs do what works for them and sometimes that turns out to be the best decision for everyone. Saying everything they do across the board is simply inaccurate

      2. Lori
        Perhaps you were responding to someone else’s comment. My comment was simply that having a “lesser narcissist” in a high power position is bad because they have a lesser intelligence, lesser impulse control and lesser ability to work with others who oppose them. All of these negative characteristics will be present if they are a “lesser narcissist.”

      3. Windstorm
        Agreed. Lessers have almost no control over impulse or fury, which does not allow for collaboration in a positive way and therefore excludes them from being advantageous to the masses in positions of great influence or power. They have little concern about facade and none about legacy since they cannot even spell that word. My experience and opinion of course.

      4. MB
        Good question. Lesser specifically hmm……. Tricky because with high profile people we can only go by whats portrayed in media. Ok I’ll play – first one that came to mind for some reason and my first guess – Lindsay Lohan.

      5. Lesser than what or whom? That’s all completely subjective is my point. A non narc can have very low impulse control.

        I find most Narcs (underscore most not every) are high effective individuals due to their use of logic as opposed to emotion. There was never a better example of how the empaths thinking is clouded by emotion as opposed to logic than this thread. The arguments on this thread were almost all emotionally driven with the root being dislike. It’s clear in this thread that to many empaths “I don’t like you “
        = you are probably bad and that’s flawed thinking. The fact is many narcissists are in fact very very good and efficient at what they do. You just may not want to work for them or be married to them but they often make good logical efficient decisions

      6. Windstorm and NA, I disagree with you both regarding Lessers. Lessers have low control threshold with their fury. But it doesn’t automatically mean that they are all unintelligent. HG, please correct me if I am wrong. Lessers are divided into three groups: Lower, Middle and Upper. My Lesser matrinarc is a lower, only finished 5th grade, couldn’t speak English well (which my dad found attractive because she only knew to say YES to him all the time), her IQ is low, has no social skills whatsoever. We have a friend here in the blog (I don’t feel comfortable naming her because I’m not sure if it’s appropriate), her mom is a Lesser too, Upper Lesser and her mom is beautiful and glamorous and high class, intelligent and encouraged her to excel and has great social skills. Trump is an Upper Lesser, highly educated with an MBA in a very elite school and was able to make his business an empire and create a very successful TV show. So it’s not accurate to lump all Lessers as being unintelligent.

        Melania is an empath. I believe that she’s a stepford empath wife.

      7. Cognitive function is one element of the schools. A low cognitive function is a strong Lesser indicator, however they may have ‘street smarts’. Some lessers are unintelligent, some have lower intelligence. You may have an Upper Lesser who is more intelligent than a Lower Mid Ranger for example.

      8. Just an aside
        I found it humorous when a guest on Trevor Noah noted that “street smarts don’t read contracts”.

      9. Also, the grouping of schools are mostly based on their ability to control themselves and has nothing to do with intelligence or other factors that would make a successful president.

        Let’s take a look at three narcissist presidents feom different schools. Bill Clinton – a Greater, Obama – a Mid-Ranger and Trump – a Lesser. Personally for me, Obama is my least favorite and I will tell you why.

        When Bill Clinton was president, I was still living in the Philippines and watching everything as an outsider, I remember that the country was divided as Republicans and Democrats but I don’t remember the hatred and vilification of the other side. Bill Clinton as a Greater, did not run as a “VICTIM” like Obama did (race card) or even Mid-Ranger Hillary Clinton (gender card). Instead Bill Clinton ran as someone who was brilliant, charming, patriotic, strong, and amazing comnunicator. The mood of the US was affected by the optimistic and strong energy that he exuded. Sometimes when he didn’t get his way he would play the victim card that Republicans are not cooperating but not to the vilifying extent that Obama did. Obama was a victim of society and his goal was to make the villains pay and be recognized as the villains by everyone. Bill Clinton only used the victim card as a tool with an end in sight, to achieve the goal of getting things done. Newt Gingrich, a staunch Republican did not have a stand off against Clinton like Pelosi is doing, he cooperated with Clinton to get things done. And they both got a lot done and the economy was soaring.

        With Trump, an Upper Lesser, he didn’t use the victim card, instead he flaunted the strogest image that he could. And he wants the US (an extension of himself) to be economically strong and powerful. He doesn’t have as much control as Clinton and Obama has with his fury. But unlike Obama the Mid-Ranger, he is not concerned about keeping a facade which in my opinion is why Obama was not effective. Trump will do everything to make the US economically successful and number one again. Look at Trump’s children who are also extensions of himself, they all graduated from amazing schools, Eric Trump even got honors from an Ivy League school which is really hard to achieve. It means that Trump wants the extensions of himself to be the best, just like how he sees himself.

        Obama on the other hand, cares so much about his facade more than anything. His facade of having a higher moral ground (typical Mid-Ranger). I remember HG saying that Mid-Rangers are snivelling cowards. Do you remember the “red line in the sand”? Why do you think he didn’t follow through? Because Mid-Rangers are cowards. And what are they afraid of? Having their facade destroyed. He cares more about what negative press he might get from the global community than making the right decision and standing by his words.

      10. MommyPino
        “Also, the grouping of schools are mostly based on their ability to control themselves and has nothing to do with intelligence or other factors that would make a successful president.”

        Based on HGs articles and comments, cognitive function is important in separating the schools of narcissists, with lessers being at the bottom, as a general rule, although an upper lesser can be smarter than a lower midranger. In my opinion, high intelligence is an important factor in a high-level leader like a president.

        Also the ability to control themselves – which you seem to admit lessers are lacking – IS a very important trait for a leader who must work with others and remain calm and in control in tense and dangerous confrontations.

        This is my opinion, but we can certainly agree to disagree.

      11. To continue with Obama. Also I’m clarifyig that Obama being a Mid-Ranger is just my opinion, HG has never identified what school Obama belongs to.

        Another reason why Obama is my least favorite out of the three is that his victimhood has polarized the country so much that there is so much hatred and intolerance of the other opinion. Bush was the president when I moved to the US, my citizenship was natural born so I was able to vote right away for the mid-term elections, just a fee weeks after I arrived here. My dad who was a staunch democrat hated Bush so much, but he never hated the people who supported Bush. I see a lot of people now from both sides would ostracize or be condescending of the other side. Even carelessly accuse the other side of names that are reprehensible. When did this start? Since Obama. He has said so many things that vilified certain groups. If you disagreed with him, it’s either your a racist, a bigot, or just plain stupid. He encouraged people to paint the other group black. He classified certain groups as villains or victims. And shame on you if you have the audacity to be support his villains. It means you are a villain too.

      12. MommyPino
        You may well be right that he is a midranger. I’d like to think if he’d been a greater that he would have been a more effective president. I never cared for him either.

        Where I live, people have always painted the other side black, been racist, bigoted and just plain stupid. All my life, not just since Bush. And not just about politics.
        I have always just assumed that was a consequence of ignorance.

        When I was young, my father was very involved in politics and he purposely encouraged this ignorant, prejudiced thinking in favor of his candidates (he was a LGN). It is an effective campaign strategy to appeal to people’s fears and prejudices. Unfortunately, I fear mass ignorance is a fairly normal condition in human society.

      13. I’m making a correction, Trump apparently doesn’t have an MBA. I thought he did because he went to Wharton (which is an amazing school) but he only had a bachelor’s degree in economics. But still, you can’t be accepted at Wharton if you are dumb. And if he was really stupid, he would have run his business to the ground. You don’t need to be a scholar to be a successful president or run a business empire. Harry Truman didn’t have a college degree when he was president but IMO he was one of the best presidents ever.

      14. MommyPino
        Having a college degree doesn’t mean you are smart. I have a brother-in-law who’s dumb as a rock, but has a degree. Wealthy parents really help in those cases.

        I totally agree with you about Truman. You certainly don’t have to go to university to be really smart!

      15. I agree Windstorm, but I don’t think that Trump is dumb. He’s definitely not a Rhodes scholar like the Greater Bill Clinton, but Trump has achieved so much in running his business and show. He inherited 40million and mademit grow to be 10billion. We all have heard so many stories of kids of wealthy people pissing off their inheritance and end up living in poverty. I just think that because Trump is so vulgar and extremely lacking in tact, he is being viewed as dumb when actually he is an intelligent person. His intelligence may not be the conventional type of intelligence. Maybe like HG has described as street savy type of intelligence, that is probably what Trump has. And also he is educated in economics which is why the jobs number is amazing under his presidency.

      16. Thank you Windstorm. We can definitely agree to disagree but I believe we also agreed on several points except for the main points about Trump’s effectiveness as a leader.

        By the way, I reread my comments and I think the right term should be pissing away inheritance not pissing off the inheritance. I have a tendency to do things like that. One time I wanted to get a Christmas gift to our kids so I asked my husband, I said that I want to run it through him. He said, “Run it BY me, if you run it through me I will get hurt.” Lol

        Thank you for the discussion. I really enjoyed it.

      17. I forgot Windstorm, HG did clarify for me about the cognitive abilities affecting the classification of schools and I agreed with him.

        But HG also answered my question and agreed that an Upper Lesser like Trump can achieve success in leading the country. So that seems to be in line with my opinion that being an Upper Lesser doesn’t automatically prevent one from being a successful president.

        So I think only time will tell how Trump does. I hope that he does well for the sake of our country.

      18. MommyPino
        “So I think only time will tell how Trump does. I hope that he does well for the sake of our country”

        Agreed. Me, too.

    2. Lori,

      Are there 2 “Lori” ‘s here ? I see a pink one and a purple one. If so, can one of you change your name a bit like “LoriA” at least so we can identify you two more easily? Thanks.

  4. This thread is fascinating. I can clearly see how people’s ET owns them. From what I have seen in comments, many of you think Narcissist = bad. That is simply not true. Narcissists and or psychopaths often serve very important roles in our society. It’s interesting to me that the vast majority of you would celebrate military special ops as heroes = good when likely a large number of them are narcissists and or psychopaths. You hate Trump but believe me a large number of special ops guys are far worse then Trump, yet you equate them as good. Wow this thread has been a very blatant example of how ET completely over takes some people.

    1. My stance (and from what I can see – I believe Windstorms) is not that narcissists are bad as a whole. It’s that LESSER narcissists in most positions of great power are or would be. Different story for higher narcissists.

      1. HG said that Upper Lessers can achieve success in leading the country. I’m hoping that Trump does well because I want my country to do well.

      2. Problem is that everyone has a different idea of success so I don’t see how that will ever be established. It will be interesting to see what his legacy will be, but people won’t even agree on that. Actually I think his legacy will be the amount of discussion and polarity he caused.

      3. I agree NA. It’s like Obama, (and I am sincerely not saying this just to be a negative knucklehead) it depends on where we stand on the issue. His supporters think that the things he has done are great and a success but the other side completely and passionately disagrees, whether it’s Obamacare or school lunches. The wall, if Trump gets it, his supporters would count that as a success but his detractors would look at that as a tragedy. But hopefully with some of the issues that both sides want such as jobs numbers and stocks and businesses performance and ISIS and North Korea, he will be successful.🤞

    2. Lori

      ‘Narcissist = bad’ is a flawed hypothesis of what ‘many of us’ think.
      You present a narrow claim (‘narcissist = bad’) as broadly accepted + you then blame ‘the vast majority’ here of ET based upon that flawed hypothesis. That’s too easy. And false logic.

      ‘The vast majority’ of us have far more nuanced opinions. NA and Winstorm already made it clear that they cannot find themselves in your claim and neither do I.

    3. Lori, I don’t believe a narcissist in a place of power such as the president equals bad. I believe a narcissist in power that can not control him/herself is dangerous.

  5. HG, previously I skimmed over this one just to see your opinion but I do not care much about politics and Trump. With current events happening and the government shutdown I’ve been curious about how this man thinks. I had a thought today that this wall is nothing but his way of having a monument of himself and his presidency. I came back to read what you wrote and sure enough “President Trump campaigned on building a wall between the US and Mexico. It may not turn out to be concrete all the way along, it will not be some Great Wall of America, but there will be a barrier. Why? Because that is his monument. He wants to create a monument to himself”

    You never stop amazing me with your knowledge.

      1. Of course Obama is a Narc and we know narcissism originated from childhood wounds usually abandonment either physically or emotionally by a parent and guess who has Daddy issues? Oh yeah he’s a total Narc

      1. Good observation, mommypino.

        HG,

        If you don’t mind the question: is the Grand Design envisioned to be a monument to yourself, to your work here or to something else we don’t yet know of here?

        Thank-you,
        WC

      2. Thank-you for your answer.

        I might be missing details but it appears that the Supremacy strand is the one that you have revealed the least about but you refer to it when you allude to ‘taking the whole edifice down’ – which is much, much more than the fabricated accusations that your mother holds against you.

      3. Mimmypino, I agree that could be the case. As HG said most world leaders are narcissist or have high narcissist traits. If you think about what Trump wants though, a 700 to 900 mile wall 30 foot high. That right there is a statement to the man (not to be mistaken with The Man HG). He will not compromise, Washington agrees on more border protection but Trump will have it no other way but his.

      4. The wall is simply a monument to himself (Trump). He cares about nothing else regarding it despite his arguments. My opinion anyway.

      5. Agreed NA! The Great Wall of Trump is beyond stupid. I an American and I’m against it. Unfortunately, it’s like the emperor’s new clothes. I dare not mention it for fear of an argument with a fellow American. The man is so uncouth. An embarrassment. Can we have Justin please?

      6. Senator Ted Kennedy accomplished The Affordable Healthcare Act just before his death. No one had to give up a paycheck for it, museums weren’t closed down. It had a purpose of providing healthcare to all, of helping, not of grandiosity. What it became after Republicans chopped away at it, was Obamacare as they chopped and pinned the name onto him. Not the Canadian style or Medicare For All that Democrats had in mind.

        Trumps Wall is not about anything more than winning, getting his own way, and he will trample upon anyone to get it, not caring the cost or harm to others. It doesn’t address the reality of stopping the criminals and traffickers he’s talking about, that enter mostly through airports and expired visas- just like the 911 terrorists did. He is considering taking $5B from the Pentagon and soldiers who need it fighting battles overseas. All for a Wall that’s not effective, only so he can get his way. Healthcare is for others and a lot of people benefit from it. The Wall is about Trump. The refugees at the Mexican border are women and children fleeing persecution and danger.

        HG is a narcissist too. Is he the same as Trump?

      7. The Wall is about racism and bigotry as was rampant in the first year of Trumps administration. As Trump stated, he would rather have better quality immigrants like from Norway, not poor people from broken countries. As for drug trafficking, that is usually smuggled through customs, and the now Steel Fence could allow for arms, packages, possibly bodies to get through anyway.

      8. Kel

        I do not disagree that drug trafficking comes through customs, don’t be so blinded to think that it doesn’t come across the boarder, as for the wall stopping it….yes I think it would slow it down, it won’t stop it thou.

        Have you dealt with the cartel or let’s say MS-13 or others of this nature?

      9. Hi DFA
        Well from what I’ve just googled about MS-13 it started in Los Angeles by former guerrilla soldiers from El Salvador who embraced heavy medal and created a gang to protect and identify themselves. It says the children of the original members don’t know anything about their ancestral country, but carry on the gang. They are home grown – and so satanic- HG, could they be a pack of narcissists? They don’t seem to have any empathy. Seems like Trump and Congress should do something about the ones already living here to dismantle it. As citizens, I can only think we need to make brotherly love cool and satanism nerdy or something.

      10. Kel

        They make satanism look like child’s play. How do you think Congress or the president would dismantle them? Your putting responsibility on them do you not believe the people have any responsibility in doing something? I am sure back then they were refugees with a emotionally triggering background to. Why couldn’t we help them to work on creating a better situation for themselves in their countries?

      11. What bothered me about O’Bama was that he did Not toot his own horn for the things he accomplished. Finding and killing Osama bin Laden from the 911 attacks, restoring the economy after the devastating Bush depression/recession, and yes, finding a way to provide healthcare to everyone. Along with Bill Clinton, Michelle changed the system so schools provided healthy meals, and not junk food. Trump undid healthy lunches that would help prevent childhood obesity, he’s undoing healthcare for all, if he could-he’d probably undo the death of bin Laden.

        Big difference in narcissists.

      12. Still both are narcissists and people focus on the right hand never seeing the left. The only difference is the school each belong to. One is just better at jerking the emotional string then the other to keep things in play and hiding what the other hand is doing.

        For the record I am not a fan of either Obama or Trump,

        School lunches are nutritious, that I laughed at. No they aren’t. All they are is processed food wrapped differently to be made to look nutritious. Or the children who have had to go hungry because the school determine the lunch sent with them wasn’t nutritious, why didn’t the school feed them? No the child was used to “punish” the parent for not providing a nutritious meal.

        I am not sure when GMO laced food became nutritious for one, all I see is food genetically engender to keep people “sick” and dependent on the legal drug lords called pharmaceutical.

      13. Hi Twilight

        Michelle’s School lunches were about getting rid of JUNK FOOD kids were eating instead of meals. Empty calories and sugar- chips and coke. It was about preventing Childhood Obesity. I’m not sure if Michelle’s Victory Garden on the White House lawn grew weeds instead of vegetables last year.

      14. HG, would you consider doing a follow up article on Trump in the future on his accomplishments and failures?

      15. HG, I am curious as to your opinion on why you think Obama is a narcissist. I know he enjoys the ‘finer things’ and I can’t deny his elitism, (Jimmy Carter might be the only humble, modest Pres in my lifetime) but what is it that makes you think this? Is this something you see very clearly in him and I am just missing it?

        (I am not disagreeing with you, just interested. There is another narc we all know who also claims this about Obama, so I am curious.)

        And just want to add that Trump is still a horrible human being. 🙂

      16. Thank you for all of the respectful responses. I respect your opinions regarding “the wall” and Obamacare. I disagree with most of them. I’m just not sure if I can respond to all of you lol. I’m also vacationing right now in Maui.

        Hi Mercy,

        Obama did not compromise either with regards to Obamacare. Do you remember Nancy Pelosi saying that they should pass the bill first before reading it? There was no opportunity to respectfully and robustly debate about that bill either.
        You said Washington agrees on more border protection but not the wall. When you say Washington, you mean the Democrats? Why are they so against a wall? What kind of border protection are they talking about without fixing the permeable wall? Is this some kind of narcissistic lip service to pacify people who voted for Trump and wanted a wall?

        Hi NA,
        that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.

        Hi MB,
        that’s you’re opinion too and you’re entitled to it. IMO Justin is as fake as his eyebrows are. Did you see the video of his eyebrows falling off from his face? I’m so tired of him and his facade. I know he’s handsome and all, and a lot of my Filipino friends are in love with him after he wore the Filipino barong, but I can see through his fakeness. He’s like a Stepford politician. I cannot stand him. I just cannot stand fake people.

        Kel, I will reply to you in my second message. I need to tend to my toddler and your response is very long.

      17. Hi MB,

        I saw that you said you didn’t want to say anything about Trump for fear of having an argument with a fellow American. Were you referring to me? Have I been argumentative in a disrespectful and personal manner to anyone here?

        Hi Kel,

        I will try to adress as much as I can in bullet points.

        * How can you say that Republicans chopped the healthcare bill? Can you support that with facts?

        * They didn’t have a shutdown to pass Obamacare because they altered the rules to only need a simple majority to pass it so they didn’t need a government shutdown.

        * Democrats didn’t pass Ted Kennedy’s bill, Democrats are the ones who chopped it.

        * In response to all of the platitudes you said about how wonderful Obamacare was, it wasn’t for all like you said. It basically switched around the winners and losers as far as healthcare and services. Obamacare did nothing to adress the overpricing of prescription drugs or durable medical equipment. A lot of people with Obamacare could not find doctors who will take their insurance and care for them because Obamacare pays the doctors approximately 20% less than Madicare. Also, many people with Obamacare cannot use it because they cannot afford the high deductibles. My husband has been a practicing physician that has been in practice for over 37 years and these are some of the things that he has seen. I have also seen this from several people that I know personally.

        I’ll continue on the next message because I don’t want to lose everything that I typed.

      18. Mommypino
        That is not true. I lived through those things and I remember them. If you want evidence of anything then google it and do the research. Trump has done nothing. He’s undone a lot. You are hellbent on supporting him so it’s a waste to respond.

      19. POTUS has his supporters and his detractors, aside from any issues appertaining to his narcissism, this is not the venue for denigrating someone’s support or dislike of Trump.

      20. “this is not the venue for denigrating someone’s support or dislike of Trump.”

        Amen, HG. Plus we are all polarized about him by now, so any discussion is really purposeless.

      21. Mommypino, my comment was not regarding you. I didn’t even realize the back and forth was going on with you and Kel until you asked and I saw my name. I was referring to fellow Americans IRL. (For lack of a better term.)

        I have a personal policy of not discussing religion or politics. I should have stuck to it here as well.

        I like HGs comment. This is not the place unless we are talking about narcissism. I hope we can draw a line under political debate.

        Live and let live is my policy in life. You do you, girls. Having passion is a good thing. It means it matters to you. ❤️

      22. Just for the record, I was only commenting to state some facts, and I did Not want a back and forth with anyone.

        I am very concerned about Trumps narcissism and the dangers of it. It’s not about politics, as our country needs to have opposing views to consider all sides and I understand that.

      23. Hi Kel,

        Regarding the wall, I am always mystified with the argument that we should not have a wall because it will not be 100% effective. If there is a fire in a neighborhood and you only have one firetruck available, wouldn’t you deploy it right away even if it can only save 10 out of 15 houses? If walls do not work, why does the White House have a wall? Why does Nancy Pelosis’s house have a wall? Why do wealthy people use walls to protect their homes and keep people out?

        You said that traffickers and criminals enter mostly through airports and expired visas, can you provide a reliable and tangible proof on that statement? Can you provide a reliable measure or statistics of the number of criminals and traffickers who enter through the border to be able to accurately compare that with the number of criminals and traffickers who enter through the airports and expired visas?

      24. Also Kel, with regards to your claim of Obama not taking credit, one thing that I noticed with Obama uses the word “I” so much. I also noticed that Trump doesn’t do that as much as Obama. Just a personal observation and also a difference to your opinion.

        Regarding the school lunches, it’s not as wonderful as you make it sound to be. A lot of school districts have dropped Michelle’s healthy school lunches. Micromanaging doesn’t really work well in the real world.

      25. And just to clarify I’m not saying that Trump is a saint. I just happened to agree with him more than I do with Obama. And with Obama and Democrat politicians being so dismissive of the other side, I don’t have a choice but to go with the person who doesn’t dismiss my side.

      26. Lastly Kel,

        It bothered me when you so dismissively said that the wall is about racism and bigotry. I happened to be supportive of the wall. Does that make you believe that I’m a racist and a bigot? What race am I against then? Can you support that sweeping assumption?

      27. Just to clarify – my comment about Trump wanting the wall as monument was my opinion that it is driven by the narcissism and not really related to any policies or protection otherwise. It was not specific to Donald. I would have the same view of any other President wanting the same and that demonstrated his level of narcissism.

      28. Is it abnormal to feel a little jealous of MB’s love for HG? Lol. Jealousy aside jenna. I have to remember that I am rewiring my brain towards positive thinking only. No room for jealousy. Er, I think.

      29. Jenna, there is plenty of HG to love. Nobody is excluded. There are triangles upon triangles girl. The more, the merrier! Fuel that is.

      30. OMG DFA,

        Please, I’m not putting any responsibility on anyone about gangs. This is why I stopped commenting on the blog. Things get so misunderstood. I simply GOOGLED a topic you asked me about, and told you that’s what I’d done. Fixing a problem in another country sounds great to me.

        Look, I’m not a tough person. I’m practicing not being a doormat, or a people pleaser anymore.

        POTUS is the first story I commented on this site back in August, and apparently I checked ‘comment notifications’ on it. I didn’t want to cause a big fuss, I just wanted to point out some facts.

      31. Kel

        It was not my intentions to make you uncomfortable. When I said your I wasn’t directing it strictly towards you. People in general, they shift things to another When things feel uncomfortable, or to not take responsibility. Just depends on which side of the coin one falls on.

        This is a name I used long ago, there are things in my past that need to stay there, for a moment I step back to how I felt then and this name represents this. DFA stands for Darkness Falls Again. My memories took me back to a time I do not speak of.

      32. Hi DFA

        Thank you for explaining, I’m relieved to hear that. I was just stating that we should dismantle those gangs in our country where it’s going on too, law enforcement, the FBI. I agree that we should try to do something in the countries where these people are coming from to keep it from coming here.

      33. MB,

        Thank you for responding and clarifying that for me. I really appreciate it.

        Kel,

        You did not state facts, you stated talking points which you were unable to support with facts. I am not interested in a back and forth either, I’m on vacation. But I dislike it when misinformation are being told with such conviction. What about what I have concretely explained about Obamacare? You cannot even admit that it they are facts because those facts that I have laid do not support your view. How about my question about your claim about the aources of traffickers and criminals? That was a valid question that you just conveniently ignored because you don’t have an answer. So for the record, you were not able to give substantial facts that support your claims.

        HG,
        Was I disparaging to anyone with any of the comments or responses that I made in this thread?

      34. No, but it is getting off point. I don’t mind people going somewhat off topic but I was looking at an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object – neither of you are going to persuade the other, you are diametrically opposed and it had gone away from narcissism, hence I am drawing a line under it.

      35. Kel, you said that “it’s a waste to respond to me because I am hellbent on supporting him.” You don’t find that statement that you made to me condescending at all?

        I could have said that to you regarding your emotional but not substantive monologue but instead I responded with thoughtfully with facts that you conveniently ignored.

      36. This will be my last post in this thread. I understand that I am the only person here who supports Trump. I made a comment regarding narcissism to Mercy’s original comment. I didn’t have a problem with opposing views.

        It isn’t true what Kel said about me that I am just hellbent on supporting Trump and it’s a waste of time to respond to me. I have said that I do not think that he’s a saint, I have said that he’s a narcissist. I have said in the past that he is crude and vulgar. Hate me if you want for being different than you.

        I have also lived through Obamacare just like Kel so I know what I am talking about. I have firsthand knowledge with my husband and friends complaining about their experiences from it for years. Those are facts that I didn’t make up. I never have a problem with robust debates as long as the other person is not condescending or doesn’t give an ad hominem attack whether directly or passive aggressively. My brother is an atheist and a staunch democrat and we have respectful debates and I still always love him.

        I have laid out facts to answer the points that Kell made. And it’s up to her if she wants to ignore it or not. Next time Kell makes a monologue about policies I will just ask her how is that related to narcissism. She’s not interested in a back and forth because she’s only interested in having a monologue of her talking points and not interested in hearing the other side, that’s fine.

      37. Oh and thank you to the person who liked some of my posts even though I know that she disagrees with me politically as well. I will not name you because I don’t want to put you in the spot. But I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for you and I appreciate your friendship. 💕

      38. Ok, thank you HG for answering that I did not disparage anyone. I’m done now. I appreciate your response and you moderating this. You are right about “both” of us never being persuaded by the other and that this is not going anywhere. I am moving along now.

      39. HG, I also apologize to you for getting off track and carried away. I will stick to narcissism from now on. I really appreciate your saintly patience.

      40. No need to apologise, it is an interesting and emotive topic but ultimately for the reasons explained, a line must be drawn.

      41. I also want to make it clear to Kel that I’m not upset at her. I got emotional towards the end from a few comments but I have said everything that I wanted to say now. We can agree to disagree.

      42. Oh my goodness what am I even reading here ? Pure ignorance of the topic. Sone drug trafficking? I live with a law enforcement person and interstate 69 is one of the most dangerous corridors for law ennfircsment because it’s widely used for drug trafficking out of Mexico. I’m sorry but I have read pure ignorance on this thread. Clearly people do not understand the depth of the problem and that drug anc human trafficking are only 2 of many facets of this problem.

        Has anyone thought about the fact that Texas population is nearly half Hispanic and the state has been begging for help regarding this problem for decades? Hmmm why do you think a state that’s half Hispanic wants a wall and has been begging for help regarding the border
        for DECADES. This is not some new Trump thing. It’s just he’s the only one that’s had the balls to say we ARE going to do something about this.

        My guess is you’d all likely feel different had it been one of your kids murdered by an illegal. You like to think these are nice hard working people and many are and just as many aren’t and that’s a fact

      43. Can someone tell me where I might find one of these Michelle Obama “healthy lunches?” Cause it’s still that same old nasty shit they have always served lol.

        LOL school lunches that seemed like the dumbest platform ever. The only thing it did was stop the little ones from being able to hand cup cakes with their classmates on their birthday. Life changing. Lol

        Sorry but I think she was the worst First Lady. She may be a nice person, but lacked grace, elegance and poise had the school lunch thing was just stupid

    1. Mercy,
      I live an hour away from the Mexico/USA border. We already have a wall along the border. It is not a concrete wall, it is made from different types of materials, as high as the wall Trump wants. There is also large gaps with security and the wall already in place. I have spoken with several Border Patrol Agents, and they are all for Trump’s wall. I am against it because he wants to spend 5B doing so. I believe they can tighten security with way less money than that.

      1. The grammar with my last comment is too choppy to understand. In other words, we have a wall along our border, not as good as the one Trump wants to build, and obviously not as expensive.

      2. Kel, now that he’s acknowledged that he knows my feelings for him, I’ve got the green light to ease up on the love bombing! Ha ha

      3. I love you MB
        You’re gorgeous

        I don’t usually drop in on conversations though feel compelled to provide an outsiders perspective on this passionate and important topic.

        Trump and his incompetent style of government, keeping Americans distracted and bickering is playing right into the hands of Putin and Xi. Those two are sneaking their disgusting tendrils all over the globe whilst the US is distracted with their domestic issues. With Ms Merkels time coming to an end, Europe may also surge further right and face similar issues as the US currently face, leadership wise. This is another distraction from P and X and their activities. And a destabilisation of the current world order.

        It’s not conspiracy theory…. it’s fact. Summarised very concisely. Just be careful where you source your info.

        Absolutely fucking complex problems humanity is facing right now but too much time is spent distracting ourselves from reality…. like celebrity stuff, social media, crap reality tv, crap newspapers, crap media for the most part; keeping up with the jones’ behaviour, etc etc.

        I know it’s depressing and hard to face but face it we must. Otherwise it’s gonna get much worse before it gets better- for humanity I mean. And it DOESNT have to go that way.

      4. Anm,

        I have a lot of respect for your opinion even though we disagree. You listened to the other side (the Border Patrol Agents) and you disagreed with them by citing a real reason (it’s too expensive) instead of making a sweeping assumption on them like an ad hominem attack.

      5. “Focus on your wallls not Trumps”

        You mean building then cause clearly most of us didn’t have them and obviously it didn’t work out well for us.

        Yes, point proven that walls that enforce boundaries are absolutely needed and apply to any and most situations. We call it enforcing boundaries. Why ? Because when we don’t bar people enter out sphere.

        Wow what a.concept.

    2. Mommypino, I’m not sure where to reply. I missed a lot of convo yesterday. My original comment and my reply to you had nothing to do with my political stance. I was simply pointing out that the wall has become Trump’s monument and it was interesting that HG made this point back in 2016. I actually see benifits regarding the wall. Many people live in gated communities for protection. There are many reasons that the wall could be a benefit to our border and the ones responding. The problem is that I did not come to these conclusions because of any evidence that my President has provided. He is strong arming this subject and he is going to do whatever it takes to get his monument even if it means declaring an emergency and taking money from our military. The military that is protecting our country! This has become a war between Democrats and Republicans not a war on terrorism or drugs. The government has not shut down because of Trump, it has shut down because of narcissistic agendas on both side. The world is watching our leaders battle and it is weakening our country. The wall is the issue at hand but it will not be the last.

      1. Thank you Mercy, I agree with you. This has become a war between narcissist Democrats and narcissist Republicans. Neither one wants to meet in the middle. Both want to have everything their way. Both sides do not care about the people who got furloughed (like my brother) and missed their paychecks. They both just want to win.

      2. Mommypino, I’m sorry to hear about your brother. I feel bad for all of those fed employees not getting paid right now. I hope this ends soon

      3. Thank you Mercy. Don’t worry about my brother, he’s rich anyway. And he will eventually get paid. He will basically get a paid leave. I’m worried about those who are merely making their ends meet. They will eventually get paid too but some of them might be running out of savings to pay for ongoing expenses like mortgages or rent. It is unfair for them.

      1. Yay! Thank you! Whilst I recognise his limitations, I’m so happy that he’s not!

  6. Hi, HG. Just now reading an article in theNewYork Times on the George Bush funeral. Thought of you as I read the following excerpt : “ Mr. Trump has been snappish with aides most of the week, according to administration officials, miffed in part by so many ceremonial events not related to him.” Thought you might have a good chuckle over this. I certainly did.

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  8. My husband and I love the things that Trump is doing. We couldn’t care less about his tweets or politically incorrect remarks. We are very happy that he is getting things done. I actually think that Obama is a narcissist as well. Just from a different school. And don’t start about me being racist. My Filipino mom actually has darker skin than Obama. People forget that Obama is not really black, he’s half white! Just like I’m not Asian or white, I’m half of each. Also for a housewife’s perspective, a narcissist’s precidency is so awesome. All kinds of drama and comedy. It’s so entertaining! And no, John McCain didn’t one up Trump. Trump is president and McCain never won.

  9. Hi HG,
    I hope you are getting a kick out of the way John McCain handled Donald Trump with regard to banning him from all funeral events. I thought of you with regard to narcissists and “not being invited.”

    1. Horseyak
      I don’t know about HG, but I sure got a kick out of that! McCain one-upped Trump from beyond the grave! 😄

    2. Trump is giving McCain and his family Cold Fury. Evading any recognition about McCain. I’m sure the Narcissist who is most furious about not being invited, is Sarah Palin.

  10. Trump is dangerous, he is literally insane. He is repeatedly a failure. The only good thing possibly from his ludicrous presence is that it’s bringing all of the “roaches” out of the woodwork, forcing grownup, responsible citizens to rid the world of the ridiculousness we didn’t realize still existed in this world. While Narc’s are so busy not caring, screwing up other people’s life’s, being little brats, following Satan, not God, the world outside of them exists, beauty and goodness exists, and we don’t have time for this moron to waste our time on earth. Thank you for exposing your kind. I spent 8 years trying to figure out my boss, finally, mystery solved. I’m free because I don’t care. I’m not a narc, but I’m no one’s door mat either.

  11. Hi HG !!

    ( I’m still reading though I don’t post as much ) 🙂

    I’ve been following Trumps presidential Narcissism , fascinating to see it .. & scary at the same time.

    Micheal Avanatti Stormys lawyer is lapping up the attention he’s getting & now saying that he might run for presidency ?

    My narc alerts recently switched to RED.. I think I’m right .

    Any chance you could confirm that for me please .. TY

    NNS

  12. Trump decisively showed us that he’s Putin’s bitch at Helsinki. The great counterpuncher turned into a prison punk in front of the world. So of course he wanted a second meeting to erase the impression of the first meeting. He was all set to persuade us that we didn’t see what we just saw. Obviously, the Russians were fine with matters as they were.

    Helsinki is what you get when a narcissist meets a Machiavellian. Putin has no fragile ego to protect, so he can just concentrate on the job at hand, which is to use Trump to enact a Russia-friendly policy.

    Trump’s trade war with China will backfire, and the Midwest will become even poorer than it already is. This guy has nothing but simple solutions to complex problems, and his presidency will end in chaos and disgrace. But it will, at long last, bring narcissism out into the open.

  13. A “caricature of narcissism.” I couldn’t agree more. I missed this article somehow…

  14. He will be re elected. Just because he’s a Nsrcissist doesn’t mean he can’t do the job. Don’t believe the media hype. ALOT of people in this country love him. They get annoyed with his mouth, but do not confuse that with overall disapproval.

    Americans care about jobs and having money in their pockets.

    1. Lori, he is an incompetent. He makes W. look good. Even those who voted for him have turned against him. He has no moral ground and is a terrible example for this country and the world.

      He will not be reelected if the Dems can put up a good candidate. The problem was that Hillary sucked and had no ideas.

      The reason he won was because people hated Hillary. I knew of a number of Dems who went for Trump or 3rd party or no vote at all.

      “Americans care about jobs and having money in their pockets.”

      Which will benefit the rich, ultimately. He will not be reelected if the Dems choose someone good–they need another JFK type or some likeable southerner like Carter.

      Nothing he says or does is shocking anymore. No one cares.

      1. He’s not incompetent that’s ridiculous. An utterly ridiculous statement. What you mean is you don’t like him. I find so many equating liking him to whether he’s doing his what he said he’d do. The man best 18 opponents hardly incompetent. You simply are clouded by ET. The man is very likely going to ge re elected. I’m sorry that’s just reality.

        It’s just like the utter nonsense I read about illegals. Unless you live in one of the border states you have no clue what that issue is about or what they are dealing with.

      2. But you are not being honest here because you obviously care. Saying no one cares is again ridiculous. Look at this thread and your comments you care.

        Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is factual

        And likeable like Carter ? What ? History has seen him as one of the worst Presidents in recent history and that’s on both sides. He may have been nice but everyone agrees he was clearly in over his head

  15. Hi HG,

    Why is all of this chaos from robbers, rapists, killers, etc. happening since Trump has been in the debate and then elected as President? Obviously, those “bad people” are narcissists and/or sociopaths, so why are so many reacting now? All we see on the news is violence more than ever. Is Trump instigating this by creating drama and chaos the way narcissists do? Are these bad people rebelling against Trump b/c they hate authority and were upset that Hilary lost?

  16. The Stormy Daniels scandal is not going away for Trump. In a nutshell, a former Porn Actress alleges she had an affair with Trump several years ago, right after Melania had their son, Barron. There is the alleged payoff of $130K along with a non-disclosure statement (prior to running for President), which she says now he never signed so it couldn’t actually be traced back to him about the affair.
    How do you think Trump’s mindset is about this affair? Is he wounded that she is bringing the affair to light and exposing him during his Presidency about it? Does he view her as “challenge fuel” from a former conquest?

    1. Her reactions are Challenge Fuel. (the way others may use it may cause wounding). He will deny involvement in order to put her in her place, tell Melania in private that she would do well to learn from Stormy and high five members of his coterie when discussing how he showed her Trump Tower in the locker room.

      1. Yes, I was looking to see if deep down he still felt a source of pride in some way that he “marked” her as his at one time.

      2. “Showed her Trump Tower…” – HG Tudor

        HeeHee 😃

        Even though in the 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper, Stormy pretty much gave the impression that she wasn’t all that impressed… your take on the locker room talk was hilarious HG… because no doubt, that would be HIS narrative.

        But that’s a universal trait, you know. You narcissists aren’t the only men whose fishing tales seem to expand with time.

    2. I seen a clip of trump where a behavioralist analyzed his mannerisms during a meeting and she said he was very angry and worried. Slowly his world is imploding but thays what eventually happens to narcs. Theyre constantly trying to keep their house of cards up.
      I do think if trump is no longer president it would create a civil war of sorts bc hes got so many brainwashed. Thats why he does the rallys to keep his followers under his control. It reminds me of hitler.

      1. Hi narcaffair,

        I like the cute pic and i’m missing all of you guys!💗
        I hope you are well.

  17. I never saw this before.
    Excellent breakdown.
    The USA needs this.
    He’s hard to ignore.
    We are in chaos.
    No. Surpise.
    2me: toxic.

    1. Excellent. “We are in chaos”, Tappan? As long as the stock market is doing as great as it is right now for me, I hope he’s around for 2 terms and stays in good health. Too much ET around this election. And speak for yourself please as “we”, approximately 50% of USA, are not in chaos nor choosing toxicity.

      1. Yes Dragonfly this country is far from chaos. We have not seen this kind of optimism in more than 15 years.

        The Donald will be re elected. He resonates with average Americans and the entire South loves him

        No one gives a rats ass about Stormy Daniels except the dishonest media. They are the only ones in chaos

      2. Hi wendy,

        I just saw this in my inbox and wanted to wish you a great wknd! I appreciate all the lovely pple here that i have been blessed with the opportunity to interact with. 💗

  18. HG, from a narc’s point of view what would you say Trump’s purpose was in head-fucking everyone into thinking he had tape on Comey? I’m assuming you will say fuel but it seems he has oodles of that so why bother? Thoughts? The only thing I can think of is that Henry The Eighth/ Catherine Parr moment in The Tudors where he did what he did merely to scare the shit out of her and thus prove how superior and how much in control he was. I Am King and Don’t Forget It fuel. Seems to me like a story beat Trump didn’t need to include here. Unless, again, he just gets off on headfucking like every narc.

  19. Very sorry to hear about the Manchester Arena bomb attack. Hope things are ok and safe for you on your side.

    1. Clarece, I read your comment before reading the news. Such a horrible crime and against children no less 💙

      1. I was so hoping it wasn’t a terror attack, that it was some tragic malfunction of equipment. Sad times. My thoughts with England.

      2. I didn’t even realize until later this morning when I finally checked the news on TV. I started binge watching 13 Reasons Why on Netflix late last night. Heavy, deep issues everywhere I look today. So sad.

      3. It’s horrendous. The whole country is in mourning. As is the rest of the world.
        The arena is a place I’ve been many times to various music concerts.
        It’s sickening.

      4. I am sorry, I have no words that can express what emotions ran through me as I read the news. It is heartbreaking and confusing as to why people decide to take the lives of others, cowardly to target children.

      5. Agreed and this time at an event with kids / teenagers. Diabolical!!

  20. There’s been a lot of talk about why Trump fired Comey at this moment in time. I’m curious to know what you think of my theory, HG, and that it had nothing to do( or little to do) with the Russian investigation and everything to do with Comey using the word nauseated ( or nauseous, innacurately) when referring to the results of the 2016 election. I believe that word was a huge wound to Trump, the straw as it were, and Trump’s shame being triggered /unleashed a desire to punish / fire Comey in a particularly hideous manner which he did. Do you think my theory holds any weight, HG?

  21. HG, is it as apparent to you as it is to me that what’s going on with Trump and Comey and the leftist democrats etc. etc. etc is nothing more than a bunch of narcissists ( four year olds emotionally ) launching and managing smear campaigns?

  22. Great article. President Trump has achieved many positive things so far which are hardly reported in the MSM. Many people want to damage Trump’s presidency in various ways. These efforts go directly against his supporters (those 62 million Russian spy voters as MSM would have you believe). US politics are indeed bizarre, nothing I have ever seen in any other country I have lived in. One thing is unclear to me is who from the elites is pushing NWO and why? This idea will destroy language, culture, borders and sovereignty. Insanity. HG, what are your thoughts on Brexit?

      1. Hi HG, what is the likelihood that Scotland and Northern Ireland would break up their union with England and Wales, seeking independence, following last year’s vote for the UK to leave the EU? And if the UK stays intact but separate from EU, would the UK be forced to continue to contribute to the EU budget and take a certain immigrant quota dictated by the EU?

  23. P.S. After I logged off I suddenly got the image of that “Cherchez la vache!” moment in that Monty Python movie where throwing a cow over the castle wall is their big defense move. Imagine the firing of nuclear cheese in the near future…..

  24. So you’re POTUS sitting across the table from Kim Jong Un. What strategy ( if there IS one) will you use to get this guy to do what you want and drop this crazy nuclear shit, and there is no chocolate cake around to ply him with and Dennis Rodman refuses to get involved?

    1. Today is April 18th. We will soon find out if our President cuts a deal and wh as t kind of deal with Kim. I think this is a good time to be alive . . . watch the Earth change.

      1. I look forward to seeing what happens when a narcissist sits across from a psychopath. I also wonder if he’s going to bring up Otto Wermber (sp?) in this historic meeting. My guess if Trump is going to walk away from all this talking about what a good guy Kim is because Trump got a will get a lot of supply. In any case I think Kim is a little scared of Trump which is good. The whole world is narcshit crazy.

  25. Your observations seem most correct. I think my original comment may have been deleted. If so, so be it.

    Do you think the new supreme court justice will be a wild card or a trumpeter? Nothing against Trump.

    What are your thoughts on Bannon being disengaged? Is he behind the scenes pulling the strings? Will he join forces with Soros?

    This is an excellent article.

  26. Hello hello, HG. When you say I am amusing, I will take a look in a different light. Truth and all that.

    You have written another spectacular article and one that I wish I read sooner but am happy that I didn’t. I wouldn’t have read all of the responses.

    As his Superior Judge has been appointed, what will happen should not Judge take potus stance?

    Bannon is currently out. Is he still “in” behind the scenes? Soros and Bannon seems like a frightening connection.

    Thank you for another enlightening article.

    1. China want North Korea squashed but they would not be able to cope with millions of refugees flooding into China, so they will engage in posturing. North Korea’s weakness is everything and I mean everything is in the capital – hit that and it is game over and they know that.

      1. So, we need to be more worried about those rogue terrorists that are pissed off right about now. There are too many things to worry about, I swear. I see the news and it is all doom. Bombings, wars, crazy politicians, hate crimes, shootings, police brutalities, burning bridges (2 in Atlanta so far) and a darn pregnant giraffe….no wonder everyone wants to know when April the giraffe will have her baby. It’s just too much to digest sometimes.

      2. Yes, something. Grasping for it. This is what my news feed looks like daily….bombings, shootings, police brutality, insane politicians…and oh yea, April the damn Giraffe.

      3. Indy, April the giraffe is having a baby? 😉❤
        I turned off my tv and stopped reading the news. It only causes us empathic individuals significant stress and anxiety. Let them war and blow things up. They’ve been doing it for thousands of years. We can heal ourselves and others with our light (positive energy)… Don’t allow their chaos to poison you and put out your flame. 💙

      4. Hi Love,
        Yes, it is very important to get breaks from the news as it really is overwhelming, for anyone, honestly. It can be traumatizing just to watch. April the giraffe pops up on my internet news feed along with the lists of other things in the world….I definitely get overwhelmed by it at times. The darn giraffe has been in my news feed, live, for 6 weeks. No baby.

        These days, I have decided to watch, as I need to know when to run to Canada to duck and cover **winks**

        Ok, ok…..I will put my light energy shields on full capacity. Might need it.

      5. We need your full light power up and ready to go, Indy… You never know when all empaths will be called to send out their light in unison …

  27. HG, wondering if you think Trump is on a bombing spree to recover supply from the wound of having the Obamacare replacement go south.

      1. Just listening to Trump on the news, “I authorized my military…”. I just hope he doesn’t see getting “his” country embroiled in a massive war on multiple fronts as another first for him.

      2. His impulsiveness concerns me deeply, precisely because he likes his big guns and showing a tough front. Lest he forget, those dictators he is battling have been in the game a lot longer than he and may decide their ego has been wounded a bit too much by this lesser. I can see North Korea giggling and hand rubbing already. Lord.

      3. You say this with such confidence that I hope you are correct. I know they likely do not have the level of technology, though they definitely have brute and peacocking down.

      4. HG and laurie, when interviewed, trump forgot where he launched 59 missiles towards, and mistakenly said ‘iraq’ instead of syria 🙆. I can never call this man as ‘president’ trump, even though it’s the reality.

  28. HG,

    I absolutely loved this article! As a psychologist, I must say your analysis was outstanding (as usual). I happen to agree with all of your points. I have always found you to be extremely perceptive. You would have made an outstanding criminal profiler. I find it amusing that your blog attracts a wide range of psychopathologies; however I would say a large chunk are a flavor of empath or fall into cluster b personality disorders. These “case studies” are quite amusing…keep em coming!

    Dr. Quinzel, PsyD.

      1. Well, HG, That is what I suggested your profession is as well (a profiler) Just found that a bit interesting… No further comment

  29. Ok, I am giving fuel here, and well aware of it. I wish to point out something here with this statement that I think is important and revealing.

    Vashti,
    “Desperately attending to someone NO MATTER THE(E) INTENT, for any reason that’s nonbeneficial amongst their own sad selves is very very stupid.”

    No, not stupid. It’s strong listening skills, a desire to communicate/relate/debate and is an element of empathy. When you listen, pay attention to someone else closely, with no benefit to your own, this is not a stupid act, but in some practices a holy act.

    All empathetic and compassionate acts involve this quality. It saddens me that you do not understand this quality. You talk of being unaffected by HG’s “dark arts”, yet you practice them here while spewing anger filled comments. I hope you decide at some point in your life to examine your own use of “the dark arts”.

    I know, I may be wasting my breath, though I do hope peace.

    Now, not another word from this Marcher and creator of Potions.
    ~Indy

    1. Indy,
      “When you listen, pay attention to someone else closely, with no benefit to your own, this is not a stupid act, but in some practices a holy act.”

      Very, very well said! 👏🏼

  30. HG, I recently heard some credible commentary about a decline in Trump’s cognitive abilities (there is a family history of Alzheimer’s). IF the Donald is masking this debilitating condition, would you venture to guess how his narcissistic behaviour would be affected? Less effective at manipulation? Rages more exposed? If true, it is could have wide implications, but I was hoping you could highlight a few key points.

    1. Can you mask Alzheimer’s? I would not thought that you could do so.
      If there is a deterioration in cognitive function I would expect that this would lessen the ability to manipulate and also is likely to cause the ignition of fury more often when criticism is experienced.

      1. Alzheimer’s sufferers commonly have the disease up to 10 years before it is diagnosed. Often only those closest to them see the early signs and even they may not recognize theses signs for what they are.

      2. Can you mask Alzheimers?

        I FORGET

        Just like I forgot to tick “notify of new comments”on this thread.
        Sigh-looks like Ive got 9 yrs left. Or was it 8……..

  31. HG, 332 comments on this article. What do you say, time to close comments? This is getting boring now. I’m sure more for you than anyone else, having to answer the same questions again and again. I admire your dedication and patience though.

  32. Apologies I haven’t read all the comments yet. What do you think of basic competence and background? While I agree that many who have reached the position of President have been NPD individuals, at least they were in positions where they had an idea of that the office entailed and what the powers/limits were.

    This President has never held office, has no idea what is involved, has no working knowledge of government, how negotiation works in this situation – it is very different than the business he is used to. He’s up against many of his own kind – your kind (in his own party as well as in the “opposition” party) who are experts at government.

  33. Happy Sunday Mr. Tudor. I appreciate you allowing my comments to go through lately. I’m making an effort to stay more on topic. I have noticed that you allow disparaging and mean-spirited comments to other commentators, yet any discussions about friendships outside of this blog are strictly banned. You are blessed with thick skin and can enjoy both negative and positive comments. However, as an empathic individual who considers a lot of the other bloggers as my friends, it hurts me to read mean words being thrown at them. I understand you don’t need to cuddle us ‘overly sensitive’ individuals… But I see no purpose for cruel and fighting words. Oh well…. Just my 2 cents. I still appreciate your great work and the time you dedicate to this blog.

    1. 1. I allow debate.
      2. I also allow exchanges to demonstrate certain dynamics, for instance this might be
      a. The impact on an individual as a consequence of their entanglement with our kind which manifests in the way they interact here;
      b. The exhibition of the responses of an individual who is a narcissist but does not realise that this is the case;
      c. The ability of individuals who have been significantly hurt by our kind but demonstrate a reasonable and balanced approach despite what they have endured;
      d. The demonstration of borderline behaviours

      These are just a few. This is a broad church and often exchanges are allowed because they actually portray a wider picture, one which I know certain readers pick up on and others evidently do not, but it is important to show just how different the dynamics are that are displayed here.
      You also have no idea just how much I screen out which is out and out ad hominem attacks which serve no purpose, because of course I am the moderator and you are not.
      I have also explained repeatedly why personal information cannot be exchanged so it is pointless bleating about it. This isn’t a friend finder, it is an exchange of information, observations and views.

      1. “Bleating”… Lol. Oh Mr. Tudor, you have such a way with words. Thank you for responding to my comment. As I said before, I recognize and appreciate the time you put forth here. And even though, your blog is not a ‘friend finder’, I’ve found great friends because of you. You and I could even be friends if you weren’t so surly. Turn that frown upside down. ❤

  34. Study Case Vatshi.
    EXAMPLE OF CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS WITH NO LOGIC.
    Quoting Vatshis comment:

    Vashti
    APRIL 9, 2017 AT 5:08 AM
    I am not stupid. I didn’t use the word desperate for nothing dear💅

    Desperately attending to someone NO MATTER THEE INTENT, for any reason that’s nonbeneficial amongst their own sad selves is very very stupid. Especially when they have not achieved the results they so badly wanted.

    Stupid? They’re embarassed too 💅

    EXAMPLE OF ILLOGICAL ARGUMENT WITH NO SENSE AT ALL

  35. Study case Vatshi
    EXAMPLE OF PROJECTION
    Quoting one of Vatshis comments: “I my name en Mio don’t need you to tell me anything about it, lowsky 💅

    Understand I am not calling you “low sky”. I calling you how I wrote it; lowsky. Pronounced low-ski. You are nothing but a yapping piece of non importance to me too.

    Ciao.”
    Typical example of projection?

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