Big Little Lies

BIG LITTLE LIES

Big Little Lies – Your chance to apply your HGT University learning!

Back in 2017, HBO screened ‘Big Little Lies’ starring Nicole Kidman, Reese Witherspoon, Laura Dern, Alexander Skarsgard amongst others in a television drama set in and around Monterey, California. A second series is currently showing. You may have seen it and/or are watching it. If not, I recommend you do so since it is well written but primarily because it contains a host of narcissists and empaths and is a very good condensed array of behaviours and characteristics which are explained and detailed through my work. Assessing these through on-screen activity will aid your continued understanding and march to freedom.

Here is an opportunity for you to determine, using your newly-honed skills from The HG Tudor University, which characters are the narcissists and which are the empaths and which school and cadre do they belong to. Perhaps you see individuals who are normal, narcissistic or empathic rather than empath or narcissist, let’s see how much you have learned.

There will be daily polls with regard to each character for you to vote on and for you to argue your case.

And yes, I will at the end tell you my assessment of those characters.

So, fingers at the ready, trait detecting skills activated and let’s put the characters of Big Little Lies under the Tudorscope!

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283 Comments

    1. I wonder how many suits he goes through when he is on tour? The boy can certainly sweat.

      1. Hahaha he does perspire somewhat. I meant to add that HG is the stewardess – just for clarity

      1. Hahahha

        Liane, I just went to watch S2E6 what’s going on?!?!? Not available yet.

        You literally can’t do this to me!

        Get me hooked on something and then keep me hanging on a piece of string for more!

        I need my fix!

        1. I don’t want to be at anyone’s mercy!

          I don’t even smoke, but now I’m off for a fag Hahhaha fuck

          1. Alexis2016
            When I stop laughing I am going to adopt your “hahaha fuck” as my standard response to most things. Sums it up perfectly. Thank you.

        2. Perry’s mum to Renata “you seem like a very nice person who lives in a very big house (sneer) with no furniture”. Ah blimey! Ouch!

          Hmmm I’m pretty certain she’s a greater.

          She is cold and calculating. She wants to take the kids not because she cares about their welfare, just to win.

          She shows emotional empathy

          She has a sadistic streak and planned the whole thing out before she even moved into celestes home. She knows everyone’s vulnerabilities as per above quote plus comment she made to Madeline and her daughter re “oh is this the girl whose off to college”. And she picks up on their insecurities in an instant. Can only be a greater. Even the mids who think they’re Ns can’t do this, they think they can but they can’t.

          She does not care whether people like her or not. She has a Margaret thatcher like quality about her which I find interesting. I do not know anything about Meryl Streep so I’m unsure whether this is her natural persona hence her getting picked for this as well as to play the part of Margaret thatcher or the director picking the actors and actresses saw her in Margaret thatcher knows that Maggie was a greater and saw what a great job she did at playing thst and so picked her bsddd on that.

          I’m no film buff and embarrass to admit that although I know Meryl is an amazing actress I’ve not actually seen any of her movies (shame on me I know) I just don’t watch too much tv or films.

          My husband is wondering what the hell has happened to me binge watching a tv series. He knows it’s incredibly peculiar and wants to know why lol.

          Anywya total tangent

          I’m off to read fuel matrix part 3 to see where she fits

          Oh and she has a sadistic streak too.

  1. Sadly im at a standstill. Ive been looking for season 2 on netflix, prime, crave(hbo canada) and utube …not offered. Ill try itunes later on my ipad. I think theres so far only 4 epies in season 2. By the sounds of it there wont be a season 3 but you never know. There wasnt initially going to be a season 2 as they wanted to keep it true to the novel.
    I think ill read the novel and see if i gain more depth from the characters there.
    Itd be great as an ongoing series. Reminds me a bit of melrose place, knotts landing(eons ago 😄). I miss these sorts of dramas.
    Its been nice watching a series again.
    I never did watch desperate housewives but im sure it was a similiar type series

    1. Hi ChiMum, Get a one month free trial of HBO. That will get you the 5 episodes of S2 so far, plus four more during the trial month. If you continue after 30 days its $15 USD per mo.

  2. ***season 1 finale spoiler***i didnt realise the ending was literal in that perry had been her rapist. The thought had crossed my mind briefly when she went to see the interior decorator she thought was her rapist bc he looked a lot like perry. So this means ziggy and celestes boys are half brothers.

  3. Im on epie 5 season 1 ….im not so sure renata is a narc. I dont like her but she does show genuine love and concern for her daughter. She shows weakness and insecurity and admits to it possivly a super empath whose got a shitty personality.
    Im wondering if one of celestes boys is the real bully and renatas daughter is afraid to admit to it. Janes son doesnt seem the type whereas one of celestes boys maybe witnessed their dad hurt her.
    Perry seems a lesser narc psychopath. Hes scary!
    Celeste is just as sick as perry psychologically. She is a victim but needs the help just as much as him.

    1. Chihuahuamum,

      I just binge watched to the end of season one – WOW; good plot predictions.
      I’m still not sure about schools/cadres but I share your personal opinions on Renata and Celeste.

      1. Hi who cares…im not as good at the cadres and schools but one thing im realising from the series and life in general is there are a lot of people with high narc traits who dont have npd. So many in the series i thought were narcs but instead have high narc traits like renata and her hubby. Normally on the surface because of madelines constant conflicts and shallowness/affair id think a midranger but she is an empath and that was established by her standing up for ziggy. That to me is a true empathic trait. Also she never excluded or alienated jane based on her social standing or financial status. Madeline is one of my favorite characters!
        I cant remember if it was HG but someone had stated a low percentage of the population that has npd and at the time i disagreed but i think ive mistaken a lot of people with high narc traits as having npd. That said people with high narc traits can have empathy but have such low amounts they might as well have npd in a lot of situations. They can also use narc tactics.
        The only two i see so far im sure have npd are perry and nathan.

  4. Here’s my take on it so far.
    Season 2 episode 3.

    Celeste: mixed feelings.. codependent with super empath traits

    Renata: narc but I still like her and I never did before!

    Jane: super empath

    Bonnie: contagion. It’s the senses.. I feel her

    Madeline: if it wasn’t for the crying after finding out Jane was raped I would have said narc. But she’s a saviour

    Madeline husband: normal

    Bonnies husband: normal

    Perry: mid range narc

    Perrys mum: greater narc: calm: collected: devious and manipulative

    Bonnies mum: contagion

    Janes new guy: psychopath.. I sense something

    Renata husband: stupid narc

    Madeline’s affair guy: narc

    This show has opened my eyes.
    Soundtrack is awesome!!

  5. Hi HG, congrats on 15M. Checking in for a little weapon sharpening/tune up. Omg, there’s merch now. HG leggings? :) Hope all is well in Tudorland

  6. Watching epie 3 and is it just me or does ed look at madelines older daughter in an attracted way when shes on the balcony?? Maybe im reading way too much into it. It just struck me as off.

  7. Im loving the scenes between madeline and renata!! Lol the dumbo and cinderella comment renata made 🤣😂😁😁 this series is a breath of fresh air. Its really nice seeing madeline stick it to renata. Enjoying the comedy too lol

  8. I didnt realise lenny kravitz had a daughter(zoe). Its interesting bc nicole kidman was in a relationship for a few years with lenny kravitz. Both are now in this series together.

  9. When i think of an ugly narc i think of renata! Shes the type of narc id avoid at all costs nasty!!

  10. Onto epie 2 and im really liking madeline how she stands up for jane and ziggy. Im thinking she could be a super empath. Her hubby i think is a midranger but not sure yet.

  11. Empaths:
    Bonnie, Jane, Celeste
    and Ed (maybe hahaha)

    Narcs:
    The rest of them

    Madeline and Perry’s mom are probably midrangers because they have no insight into themselves and actually believe they are “good” even though they do incredibly hurtful things like cheat and try to take custody of kids.

    Perry is lower or greater. I say lower because of the hitting and greater because of the money.

  12. Hg, thank you for doing this. You amaze me with how innovative you are.

    You (American Netflix tv show) and Dirty John (American Tv show and podcast) also have clear narcissists and empaths if anyone is looking for even more practice.

  13. Every show (Dead to Me was the last) I watch I play this game in my head. It’s fun to get to actually vote here on a series I started binge watching a couple weeks ago.

  14. I just purchased season 1 thru utube hd for 29.99 cad. Im not sure how many seasons but ill be binge watching! Reminds me of when i watched sopranos. I havent watched a series in years it should be fun and especially seeing how it relates to npd and the dynamics involved.

  15. Ok I’m up to date as far as what’s current on tv (season 2, episode 4)eroding in mind some character’s depths are still being revealed
    This is what I got so far;

    Madeleine – Super Empath ,Saviour
    cadre , (w magnet traits) also DEMB (narc trait of infidelity)

    Ed – empathic but not an empath

    Nathan -narcissistic but not a narc

    Bonnie – Standard empath, magnet cadre

    Perry- Lower Greater Elite Narcissist
    (Some confusion here bc of his last ditch flailings – saying he will “change”, losing his shit, being unprepared that C would leave him) —made me wonder if UMR. But my first instinct was LGN so I’ll stick with it for now

    Celeste – Standard empath, carrier cadre

    Renata – super empath – geyser cadre

    Gordon- UMR narc (I think!? I was thinking just narcissistic but not a narc until recent events w losing their money)

    Jane – standard empath, carrier cadre-DEMB -(narc streak of selfishness- knew Perry was married)

    Mary Louise – UNR narc .(cerebral or elite)

    1. Still a little on the fence if Ed is a carrier empath. Going with just empathic for now.

      I had thought Nathan was a MMR but…hmmm. I see too much humanity and empathy – just emotionally immature . I think he’s just highly narcissistic – not a narc. So far.

    2. Another thing! Gordon pulled out the pity plays a FEW times! I’m wondering would a greater even USE pity plays? He didn’t seem like a MMR- poor me narc. and I can’t see a MMR being able to provide that sort of lifestyle ?!
      The whole Stepford thing was going on aside from the violence.
      I have to stay w LGN who got desperate and so pulled out a few pity plays, “inner demons” bullshit.

        1. And I’m still not seeing the fury in Gordon. .. still on the fence about him. being narcissistic rather than a full blown narc

      1. Hi wokeaf…i think a midranger could still be very successful in life. There are many out there who are very successful in their careers and who arent greaters or are aware of their npd and knowingly use it. Instead they operate naturally with npd and some think theyre good people and everyone else are the ones with issues.
        I think a lot connect being highly successful with being a greater but its more a greater is usually always successful. Its been said trump is a lesser and hes been very successful in his career.

      1. Thanks -I think – I say that bc I’m reading a LOT of “interesting” analysis here and I’m jaw-to-the-floor wtf’ing so hard it’s almost painful.

        Btw I’m leaning toward Nathan actually being a narc. I was mistaking cognitive empathy for real empathy. (My Achilles heel) plus we aren’t seeing Bonnie in devaluation YET (the treadmill was a subtle touch tho-keep her home, eliminate a hobby outside the home)

        Gordon I still don’t know. If the gambling was a one-off that’s one thing – maybe- but anything more revealed will help me decide.

    3. I think I got them all right !!!

      – except Gordon is a MMR instead of UMR

      I think I’m a super sleuth a la U of Tudor

      1. Unless Celeste is a codependent

        . But I wonder if she wasn’t just in a codependent relationship with Perry, and not necessarily a codependent otherwise (other relationships/character traits?)

  16. I’m marathonning.
    This therapist is gooood.
    I found myself wanting to break NC with my MMR ELITE bc of the sex scenes with Perry & Celeste.
    They sure nail the intensity of the sex . Dammit. Triggered The Mixture.
    But then the therapist told her to put a loved one in her place . Good advice.

    They defin have some wise , experiences empaths on the writing team

    1. Woke AF,

      I thought the same thing about the sex scenes. And I’ve tried to do what the therapist says to do. I have a 17 year old daughter. She knows buts and pieces of our relationship and has only been around him a few times over 4 years by design.
      After a couple months, I broke down and started seeing him again. When my daughter figured it out, she showed concern. I told her I’d never want her to date a man like him and that it was complicated for me. So much went through my mind after that talk with her. You know it’s bad when your teenager frowns upon it.

      1. Yeah but it’s not complicated. We like to think that – but we aren’t complicated, the narc isn’t complicated. It’s emotional thinking- lust, whatever. We want what we want until the payoff for staying isn’t as high as the payoff for leaving . Just like any addiction.
        I have an adult daughter too. I recommend you set the example.

  17. Binged on first 3 episodes last night… I cannot make a full educated analysis – but on what I’ve seen so far…

    Madeline:
    Mid-Range Victim Narc
    Always involved in drama, sees the kids as an extension of herself especially her youngest, is involved in everybody’s business. Can’t get over her ex hurt her 15yrs ago and still holds a grudge. She is drawn to broken/vulnerable people – she has a façade and quite frankly watching her is exhausting! She mentioned she nurtures her grudges and tends to them often. There is some Narc on Narc action with…

    Renata – Greater Narc
    Vindictive. An example is the children’s party and excluding Ziggy to prove she could.
    She has a grand façade, lawyer, on many charity boards, fundraises, luxury house is well off. There is something off with her child – perhaps a golden child – not worked it out yet. Renata and Madeline are in competition with each other – great example of when 2 Narcs collide I think

    Jane – Super Empath
    She’s drawn to Madeline and allows her to take her under her wing. She does the right thing, she protects her son, she knows how to love unconditionally and has no desire to be the centre of attention – if anything her emotions are deep and hidden. She’s done something in the past – she’s running and is on edge.

    Perry – This is easy… Greater Elite
    Somatic and Cerebral.. but then he is physically and mentally abusive and HG said a Greater Elite wouldn’t stoop to hitting and punching and leaving marks. Abusive before sex, controlling, walking on egg shells, volatile, charming, sexy, powerful.

    Celeste – Empath – Co-dependant?
    Takes the abuse, admits to enjoying the turbulence at times, submissive, contradictory – one minute flinches when he touches her – then craves his attention initiating webcam sex. Can’t work her out yet.

    Bonnie – I honestly don’t really know yet.

    That’s it for now folks. I think I will watch the rest of season 1 and see if I still feel the same way.

      1. Heading into episode 6, Burning Love.

        Madeline is 100% a super saviour empath. Any injustice and she’s on it! I changed my mind because after Jane told her she was raped, she stopped the car and cried. Empathy! She’s fighting to save the theatre, she’s fighting everything with her cape on!

        Celeste is 100% a super empath, she’s feisty, and she gives it back. A quiet confidence, she gave everything up for him, she does not roll over, she challenges him every day and is also vulnerable. She’s intelligent, smart, beautiful and so in love. She adores him. They both like the games. But she’s blinded.. though if he was to hurt the boys she would go supernova! Don’t mess with her. He could lose her and he knows it. Challenge and battle for control is the essence of them. They are both addicted to each other.

        Jane, I believe to be a contagion, she doesn’t have the luxury of wealth or a partner, she’s dealing with life on her own. She wants revenge, she’s going to go full on psycho narc! She wants revenge! How do you deal with having a child from rape? I think she’s a contagion empath. She can muster the darkness in revenge. She’s dark and dreams of beautiful cliffs, scenery and seas, she’s a force.

        Renata, 100% a narc.. though not greater because she is not charming or charismatic at all! Sure she has wealth and a career but her facade is what matters. My least favourite.

        Bonnie, still undecided but I think she is a magnet empath. High narc traits.

        Still working out the men.. I always find men harder for some reason.

        1. What narc traits are you seeing in Bonnie? And in Celeste (as that would be evident in a super)?

  18. Honestly the only way I can tell a “normal” is that they seem genuinely clueless to the existence of, -and confused by the behaviours of- both empaths and narcs

  19. I’m rewatching s1 before I move onto s2 . I did t know what I know now when I first saw s1.
    I’m one episode in so far and I know right now:

    Madeline – Super Empath of Magnet cadre

    Perry – lower greater elite narc/sociopath

    Will add em as I can call em

  20. HG, be glad u don’t live in the US. For so many reasons. It sounds like Dresden right about now. Jesus Christ.

    1. Bibi, I enjoyed all the noise. And God Bless the ones that spent a fortune on illegal fireworks. They were pretty.

  21. OMG, that’s a messed up show! Ok:

    S:2, E:4
    Reese: Empath
    Her husband: Narc
    Nicole: Narc
    Meryl: not sure- leaning toward empath
    Laura: not sure- leaning toward narc

    I’m thinking the victims look like the narcissists, and the narcissist’s look innocent- just like real life.

    I was just peaking in, and thought I’d give it a whirl.

    1. My observations:
      Reese/Madeline: Empath- Her family projects onto her and she’s the scapegoat. She’s stressed out, and has become a little hardened from dealing with it. She comforts and agrees with Celeste, no matter what Celeste has done, and is a good appliance in that way.

      Her Husband: Narc- Projects and criticizes her, gives her the silent treatment, triangulates with the children, withholds sex, gets into a fist fight easily, and his comments don’t make sense- like about the pretending going on at a costume party.

      Nicole/Celeste: Narc- She has no guilt when a one night stand walks out in front of her kids, only sees it as the grandmother’s fault for coming home with the kids too early. She’s defiant she’ll win a court case, gets angry with her therapist accusing her of not being on her side, and has no anxiety or fear of the consequences of the lawsuit. She slapped Mary Louise hard- and as much as an empath might want to do that, they’re more likely to stop themselves.

      Meryl/Mary Louise: Empath- She seeks to do what she feels is right. She doesn’t do it for herself, she does it despite the fact it makes her unpopular. She’s probably morphed into a doormat from being a victim of narcissists.

      Laura/Renata: Narc- She is more concerned with image than with her husband. It’s all about her, and everything’s her husbands fault. Her child is all about the image she had for her. Mad or not, an empath would have some degree of compassion for her husband, but she was only concerned about herself and cutting him down.

    2. HG, why have you not posted my observations comment on how I came up with identifying the characters? It’s a good exercise. I identify with the victims. Madeline partly reminds me of someone else I know and her marriage, and I’ve been the same as her comforting and agreeing with narc friends. No narcissist would have the unattractive image Mary Louise has, and though they might try to take over someone’s children, they would make the other person look bad, not themselves. And nobody likes her, that’s not a narcissistic trait, it’s a victim one.

      I’m pleased to see the new things on the blog, and have enjoyed reading them. I’ve been making good progress and feel I’m at zero impact. ‘Logical Thinking’ is something I never knew about until you told us about it here. I’m surrounded by narcissists at work, I don’t take their compliments or criticisms to heart, I see them for the purpose they serve and I either force myself to politely thank them for the nice stuff or I just politely go silent for the little digs. I feel like I’ve become ‘one’ inside, and am dismantling the blocks, opening the gate, stopping the procrastination, becoming me and not the victim I was always conditioned to be.

      Thank you for everything.

  22. Watched a few clips on celeste and perry and i was wrong shes definitly an empath.

  23. Mommypino: I saw that you commented to me, but I have only watched one episode and I am skipping all readers` detective work for now, because there will be plot spoilers for me. I plan to catch up on more episodes and then return and read your comments and the rest. Thank you in advance for your indulgence in my methodology. I do like reading your posts.

    1. Hi PSE, I just saw this. I can’t wait to read MRE of your thoughts after watching everything. I have finished up to the last episode that was aired and I am rethinking my vote for Bonnie and still can’t figure her out. Celeste was pretty easy!

      1. MommyPino. I have plenty to say about Bonnie already. I will have to probably list my thoughts on certain observations alphabetically, because I have so much to say about her, and that is only after 2 episodes. I will try to finish the TV Series by binge watching this weekend, so I can join in with you. Thank you, MP.

        1. Hi PSE! I would love to read your thoughts on Bonnie. So far I think that she’s an empath. I’m rethinking my Co-D vote to a Standard Empath towards the Co-D scale. I think that she’s a Magnet. She’s very magnetic and always turn heads, very serene and graceful and very sweet. I have still yet to find more strength in her to make me think that she’s an S.E. She seems to have survived a LOCE from childhood with her crazy mom who traumatized her as a child when she was being forced to learn how to swim. I might not be able to visit you he blog very often because I’m traveling to the Philippines. Right now I’m in Tokyo waiting for my connecting flight. But I enjoy reading yours and everybody’s thoughts on the characters of the show.

  24. I feel left out! I’ve never watched the show. As a studious pupil, I always do my homework and strive for A’s. I’ll have to scour Netflix and Hulu to see if I can find it.

    1. MB, I haven’t watched the show either. Should we try to find it and start watching it at our own pace? But the question is: how are we gonna play if we haven’t finished it?

      1. It is quite the quandary for us studious girls! I do feel really left out. Kinda when everybody was talking about “Us”

        1. My problem is that I always showed lack of motivation for some subjects and a passionate attraction for others so I was inconsistent. For example, Netflix informs me that Stranger Things season 3 just came out… mmmm… distractions…

    2. MB, It is on HBO. If you have Internet TV, you can try a free trial and binge, or subscribe for one month or more.

      1. FYC, thank you! I am going to answer your shame post. I am traveling now. But I would love to have your input. I havent had much luck with therapy. Don’t know if you’re a therapist, but you seem awesome! I’m looking forward to it.

        1. MB, You are most kind. Thank you. No, I am not a therapist, I just love to learn and to assimilate knowledge because I have an inquisitive mind and there is so much to discover. I also like to better understand myself and others. I find both knowledge and communication are the keys to making a difference. I tend to take a meta analysis approach, then distill that for easy consumption by others. It is a process I acquired through my education and honed in my career. When we have a firm grasp on what something is, and how it works, we are able to make better choices and be free of false beliefs. No worries on your timing, MB, we can chat more on that topic and any other, anytime you wish. Safe travels and happy Independence Day!

    3. MB. I just watched my first episode. I plan to watch another later this evening. Plus, I am not going to read the other comments, for certain polls, personally, to not see spoilers, or to be influenced away from my own thoughts, until I finish season one . So, I have to use discipline a bit. But, I am enjoying this event. It is like taking a class and the majority of the other students took the class already, and thus have an advantage. But, I am still taking the class, because I want to.

      1. PSE. It’s like a book club! I’m not reading the comments either. I will end up having to watch or the Tudorscope examination won’t be as meaningful.

        1. MB: I think this is the first time that HG Tudor has created this Event on this Venue, so there is surely a learning curve and logistical timing curve, or whatever all that is called that has to be smoothed out in due time. We shall get through this first Event together, including HG Tudor. It hurts me to not read all these juicy evaluations, I see are being written on this poll, but I have to see the episodes without being under the influence of others, because I find this fun event important for me, and I want to use my own mind first, and perhaps be persuaded to increase my viewpoint later. So, I have to skip the replies and spoilers for now. sigh… And read them after I finish season one on this poll, at least.

      1. K, it’s a book?!? Wonder if the characters will be portrayed the same. I would ask HG, but I doubt he has time to read books much.

          1. As long as you continue to read slowly to me…I need to savor it. I request the new articles on YT when you have the time, please Sir.

          2. Great writing one must read slowly to savor. If you’re reading the latest John Grisham or Tom Clancy thriller then you can take 10 sec. per page. There is nothing to uncover.

            But Thomas Wolfe takes more time to ponder. As does Sandor Marai. As does Hermann Hesse. And that Melville guy. So does HG Tudor. Ever hear of him? You should check him out.

          3. Bibi, you get me. Savoring HGs voice is one of my favorite guilty pleasures. Akin to enjoying a fine wine.

        1. I’m guessing if he has time to read it’s spent on much weightier tomes, although there is evidence about that he has been recently in close proximity to some comic books.…

          1. Good. I despise people that still believe in a separation between “high culture” and “low culture.”

          2. Sugar Sugar! You are my candy girl!

            (HG has a secret stash of Archie Comics. He loves them. He identifies with Jughead and his crown and hides his stash beneath that Tolstoy or Dumas classic while sitting in Starbucks and ordering a Mocha Frappuccino.)

            Do not be fooled!

          3. Pahahaha! Archie comics… That was great imagery Bibi…but I’d hazard a guess HG is more of a Caramel Macchiato guy…or straight espresso…

          4. Oh yeah, SP, that whole Bill Mahr thing? I thought he sounded like a pompous ass.

          5. NB, I’m sorry but I don’t know what you’re referring to.

          6. Yep NA! Batman! Watch out for Bibi, HG. She wants to cuddle with bats. (And lizards) I get the lizard thing Bibi. I had a pet iguana. Not very cuddly, though. I tried and failed.

        2. MB
          According to PrincessSuperEmpath it’s based on the book: Big Little Lies by Liane Moriarty. I might binge watch it. Right now I am reading Dune.

          1. nunya biz
            The story is picking up now. The hunter-seeker tried to kill Paul but he caught it, saving his life and Shadout Mapes, as well. My son recommended the book and I will tell him that it’s one of your favorites.

          2. K, If ever there was a time for your analyses, it is now. Go binge watch the show. It is only 11 episodes total for both seasons combined. We all eagerly await your comments!

          3. FYC
            Shit, I better get moving! I will watch all of season 1 today/tonight.

          4. FYC
            Episode 1:

            Bonnie: Standard Empath
            Nathan: Mid-range Narcissist

            Perry: could be a greater BUT I am going with Upper Mid-ranger for now.
            Celeste: Super Empath

            Jane: Standard Empath (for now)

            Renata Klein: Potentially a greater but I am going with UMRN (for now)
            Gorden Klein: I have no clue.

            MMM: She is a Mid-range Narcissist
            Ed: He is an empath (not sure of the school)

          5. Episode 2:
            Fuck me! Ed is no longer an Empath; He is an MMRN.

            When he was talking to Madeline (on the beach) he said, “You don’t adore me” (er, it should be “love”) and he refers to “The One”. Normals and empaths don’t refer to “the One”.

            When Ed met up with Nathan re: the birth control/Bonnie issue, he issues a subtle threat towards Nathan and then later lies to Madeline about what transpired at the meeting. He rewrote it (gas lighting). Nathan also issues a threat towards Ed, that we, as the audience, witness.

            Perry uses sex to reassert control with Celeste after their fight. They both slap each other, very aggressive! I liked it.

            Madeline gives two middle fingers in response to the yoga instructor’s quip about a menopausal yoga class. She is aggressive and I don’t dislike Madeline, yet.

          6. Episode 3:
            Still can’t get a read on Gordon Klein and this show is way better than Chernobyl!

          7. Hi K, Thanks so much for all of your episode impressions. I have enjoyed them as they evolve. I chose standard empath for Bonnie and CoD for Celeste. It is a challenging exercise and I really hope the effort helps me do a better job in real life.

          8. K, I read at least 3, maybe four of the books. The movie is very good also, I’ve seen it several times, Sting is in it! And I just love Kyle Maclachlin. Even the movie is on my all time top ten.