Brilliance, Baloney or Bullshit?


FR David once declared, “Words don’t come easy to me.”

He must not have belonged to Narc Club because we love words and using them. Why is that? They are so easy to use and so powerful. We use words to charm, to seduce, to astound, to amuse, to arouse, to hurt, to wound, to put down, to terrify, to lash out, to apologise, to correct, to mollify, to appease and to hoover.

We actually only use them for one thing.

To control.

Words are far more attractive than action. This is because words form on our lips in an instant, they tap into your empathic and narcissistic traits so readily to ensure we wrap our controlling tendrils about you. Words enable control. Words garner fuel. Words cost nothing. Words vanish into the ether. Words can be denied. Words can be twisted. Words can be fabricated. Words can be lost. Words can be found.

Words come very easy to us.

What comes from our mouths is a product of our narcissism, refined of course by our school. Face a Lesser Narcissist and you can expect direct comments, wild boasts, raged-filled tirades and mammoth exaggerations. Those words issued by the Lesser will not be winning any Booker Prizes, but they remain effective. They are effective because they cost the lazy lesser nothing to use and they enable him to achieve control.

Should the words come pouring from a Mid Range Narcissist, these range from Long Involved Explanations, grandiose prose feigning some Romantic poet, mealy-mouthed apologies, angst-ridden pity plays, sobbing symphonies seeking sympathy and pompous posturing by the fireplace of arrogance. Mid Rangers can be accomplished wordsmiths, doling out some delicious word salads, getting you on the merry go round of Circular Conversations and making frequent use of plausible deniability, with the “I did not quite say that,” or “you have not remembered what I said correct” or “I would explain again but it is quite clear you do not understand what I mean.”

When the Greater lets the serpent´s tongue emerge, instinct largely slips away and if you are the rare victim of the Greater you will find yourself on the receiving end of the calculated, probing, forensic comments where each word has been carefully considered to ensure maximum impact. Nothing is wasted, every word counts and the savage sentences see your throat ripped out as we still stand smiling at you and you slowly start to realise that you died five seconds ago but your brain is just catching up.

Of course all three schools use words in the context of the Narcissist´s Conditional Asterisk and all three schools will use words purely to control because not only are they so much less effort to use, they also provide a fantastic return for the minimum expenditure of effort and that ratio of effort as against return is central to our behaviours.

Sometimes we exhibit brilliance in our words. Often our kind demonstrate baloney although you may take some time to ascertain that this is what has just been spouted. Similarly often there is just pure bullshit spouted by the narcissist. Again, you may be slow to have realised this, your emotional thinking clouding your application of logic. Occasionally you know that this stinking pile of excrement is being dumped on you but you fail to get out of the way, you emotional thinking addled-mind struggling under the steaming load that has been deposited your way. Invariably, it is only afterwards, with the cleansing effect of Logical Thinking that you will clear away the dung and see the comment for what it was, leaving you incredulous, shaking your head and your gast flabbered.

Our kind come out with choice examples of utter bollocks, but of course, from the uttering narcissist it is deemed to be entirely apt for the purposes of asserting control and the clouding effect of emotional thinking ensures that the comment gets the narcissist over the finishing line of control.

On this occasion we are focusing on the bullshit and the floor is open to you to provide us with the golden turds that your narcissist said, wrote or carved into a tree near your house. Let’s have those one or two lines which contained a choice example and feel free to expand on how you felt and how you reacted to it.

The floor is yours, just watch where you tread……

557 thoughts on “Brilliance, Baloney or Bullshit?

  1. ANK says:

    ‘my birthday brings all the narcs to the yard’ lots of baloney today…..

    1. Cyn says:


  2. Tappi Tikarrass says:

    This article is a small piece of brilliance.
    No baloney or bullshit here.
    It’s a testament to the evolution of your writing style.
    Very enjoyable to read.
    A good one to share to the uninitiated as well.

  3. Bubbles 🍾 says:

    Dearest MB n Renarde
    Thank you lovely MB, how kind you are with your comment , I send you the biggest mwah 💋
    Renarde, “La Madame” is here (that’s not meant to be a “lady of the night owner” ….. is it ? 🤣
    I use emojis, gifs n stickers to all my friends n family and Mr 👤
    Plus I’m the meme queen
    Life’s too short not to have fun 🤣
    Is anyone here watching “Younger” on Stan ? It’s all about lies !
    Hugs to you both you gorgeous ladies
    Luv Bubbles xx 😘

  4. Kim says:

    Is the significance of your email address related to 10/11/1909 when Dr Isidor Sadger first described Narcissism as a personality disorder in presentation to the Vienna Psychoanalytic Society.

  5. Twilight says:

    I don’t get angry often…..lie to me and you can fuck off.
    God how I want to tear in to him……

  6. Laura says:

    The baloney of the upper female mid ranger in a workplace meeting.
    And not one member of his family has contacted me to see how I am. (After a bereavement)
    I don’t want you here. I would prefer that you left after the meeting.
    You think you’re smart but I am so much cleverer than you.
    I don’t know if you understand.
    So, obviously there is no way or time that I have to explain to you because it would take weeks of understanding. Not just the tip of something but the absolute understanding of what is happening,
    It is better the less people know how often and what I am doing because.. it… ahm it would upset too many people.
    No I don’t want to hear.  (Talking over the top of another staff member) Can you keep him quiet while I’m talking
    I have been trained very well in this area. 
    That’s what, that is the normal thing to do.
    I don’t hate anybody but at present I do. (To the staff member who called her out)

    The lower mid range Narc hoovering text to his ex wife after he’d abandoned her for his new bimbo.
    I know we have had troubles in our life but I am still deeply in love with you.
    I have my most happy times in my life in your love.
    I could have been way more tolerant and accepting of what is normal for people to be less than perfect all the time.
    I am taking time out to remember how gorgeous and kind you are.
    I am so sorry I didn’t listen to all your advice.
    Please, if you could find it in your heart to talk I would really appreciate it.

  7. kel2day says:

    Hilary Clinton’s Myers Briggs personality is one of the rarest, she is an Advocate Personality, INFJ.

    Inborn sense of idealism and morality, but what sets them apart is that they are not idle dreamers, they are capable of taking concrete steps to realize their goals and make a lasting positive impact. They tend to see helping others as their purpose in life, and their real passion is to get to the heart of the issue so that people need not be rescued at all.

    An empath with the drive of a narcissist.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      A narcissist.

      1. Cyn says:

        Can’t she be a hybrid?! Come on!

      2. kel2day says:

        Hg, narcissists are very stubborn 😚

      3. Dearest HG. I need your help assessing these 3. Princess Diana, Prince Charles And Camilla. (1) I say Princess Diana:Lower Mid Ranger and 1/3 each of Holy Narcississt and Victim and Somatic. (2) I say Prince Charles is Elite Upper Mid Ranger and 1/2 Somatic and 1/2 Victim. (3) I say Camilla is a Super Empath and mostly Carrier and Savior with a slight trait of the doormat.

      4. cont. HG: Charles does seem to have a lack of ambition, so my other scenario is that he is a Normal just trying to get through life as easily as possible with his head down, and Camilla is the Narcississt, perhaps Lower Greater Narcissist, and Charles provides her with an abundance of fuel. .

    2. Cyn says:

      That’s awesome

      1. kel2day says:

        Cyn, I agree!

        1. Cyn says:

          That puppy makes me smile every time lol

          1. kel2day says:

            Cyn, I just love that little puppy picture too, lol

    3. MommyPino says:

      My MR sister also believed herself to be an advocate and idealist. I wonder if Mid-Rangers will score as idealists in the Myers Briggs while Greaters will be the Thinkers. I know Hillary is an Upper Mid-Ranger. She acts very idealistic and an advocate but so many anecdotes from people who know her and worked for her say that she’s a horrible person.

      1. kel2day says:

        I wasn’t trying to convert you mp, it was an article in a newsfeed that I wanted to share.

        1. MommyPino says:

          Hi Kel2day, I understand. I wasn’t trying to start an argument. I just responded because I was really sincerely wondering about Briggs and Myers and the results that can occur when narcissists take them. Briggs and Myers was not designed to detect narcissists. My MR sister had a funny story and I don’t know if this is true, but she told me that she took a personality test at a dating site, I can’t remember if it was Match or EHarmony but she said that test results said that she doesn’t have any compatibility with anyone. I wonder if it had an embedded narc Detector in the test that made her incompatible with a match or if that story is even true.

          Also just because a narcissist results as an INFJ in the Myers Briggs doesn’t mean they are empathic as described there. My Myers Briggs result tends to be ENFP most of the time and ENTP sometimes. ENFPs are supposed to be empathic as well. Famous people who are ENFPs are Dr. Seuss, Anne Frank, Robin Williams, George Carlin, Elle Fanning, Drew Barrymore, Bill Cosby, Muammar Gaddafi, Julianne Assange, and Fidel Castro. Those are a mix of empaths and narcissists that all resulted as ENFPs.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            When I have read the MB results I find them open to interpretation in at least two differing directions and I think some of the points you make here have a degree of validity.

          2. MommyPino says:

            Thank you HG!! I’m happy that you think there’s some degree of validity in them.

          3. Sweetest Perfection says:

            MP, I’m an ENFP as well. And Russell Brand, who I suspect is a narcissist.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Yes he is.

          5. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I knew it!!! THANK YOU.

          6. Cyn says:

            HG will you post A list of top 50 best known narcissist in Hollywood? I know I’m a pain in the ass I’ve always ask you to do weird stuff and you always say no LOL but that’s just what I do because random silliness flies out. Is that defamation?

          7. HG Tudor says:

            If it’s true it cannot be defamatory.

          8. Cyn says:

            Right but being that they are narcissists their narcissism will prevent them from seeing the truth so they will label it defamation.

          9. HG Tudor says:

            Yes or something else which will enable them to assert control.

          10. Cyn says:

            Well there is always a loophole, disclaimer… I suppose the question/answer method is less inflammatory (ha!) than a bullet list and disperses some of the accusation. We just asked a question lol 😂

          11. Cyn says:

            Johnny Depp

          12. Cyn says:

            I hate that I made so many errors in my previous blabbering.

          13. MommyPino says:

            Sweetest Perfection I agree! He is a narcissist. And although I see a bit of myself in him, he’s a totally different person than me. I actually don’t like him as well. And he looks dirty too. 😬. I think that he’s a mess.

          14. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I had a crush on him. You give me an intelligent man that speaks well and with a sense of humor and a lose it. But he was too obvious: horrendous childhood, substance abuse, sex addiction, erratic behavior, exaggerated egotistical attitude, scandalous relationships and ended marriages and nowadays, enlightened patronizing behavior. Even so, I read My Booky Wook. And I loved it. I think he’s super smart and very importantly, very well-read. I seem to have a crush on heroin ex-addicts: Russell Brand, Dave Gahan…

          15. MommyPino says:

            I wasn’t aware that he is intelligent. I don’t know a lot about him except that he used to be married to Katy Perry and I thought that he was funny with Adam Sandler in Bedtime Stories. I think if there is a comedian that I could have a crush on it is Adam Sandler. 😬. I don’t think that he’s a narcissist. His sarcastic sense of humor is similar to my husband’s. I think the thing about Russel Brand that turned me off is his beard and long hair. I can be superficial like that lol.

          16. HG Tudor says:

            He’s a narcissist

          17. MommyPino says:

            Oh no 🤦‍♀️. HG why do you have to burst my bubble? First with Reagan, now with Adam Sandler too. 😢. I guess I really like narcissists!

          18. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I understand the beard refusal but I love men with long hair, which is funny because I told my narc and he has grown his hair long since, without realizing his receding hairline is getting bigger by the minute and it actually looks pretty ridiculous.

          19. MommyPino says:

            Haha that’s too funny Sweetest. I’m just imagining how your narc looks like with long hair with receding hairline. I guess that can be part of your revenge lol.

            With Russel Brand, there is something else for me, he looks too much like Jesus Christ with his long hair. And that tends to be a libido killer for me. It makes it all platonic for me.

            With Adam Sandler, I actually don’t find him that funny either except when there is a surprising scene in his movie. My stepson loves him and has all of his movies. I think my soft spot for him may have come from his movies being part of my family’s bonding time and seeing my stepson laugh so much at him. But I often find myself zoning out in Adam Sandler movies.

            The last movie that got me laughing so hard was Game Night with Jason Bateman and Rachel McAdams. I was laughing from the start to finish. Also his big brother being a narcissist getting beaten up in his own game and exposed in the end made it extra enjoyable. 😆

          20. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Ugh I hate Adam Sandler and never found him funny at all. Russell Brand is hilarious in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, where he plays his narcissistic self in all its glory.

          21. WAF Tudorita says:

            Its interesting to see how an “enlightened” narcissist presents. Or rather, a narcissist who’s has an enlightenment experience ie Jim Carrey (who has an awakening from seeing how who one IS can be malleable during his portrayal (and heavy commitment into the role of ) Andy Kaufman then there’s Russell Brand.

            Charlie Manson too I think. I’ve heard his interviews and he knows what he’s talking about as far as having had a glimpse beyond the veil of illusion of separation – but his ego took it and ran with it, which just goes to show -even narcs can bust through. A rather terrifying thought – if the ego isn’t demolished with one go , then we have cult leaders lol

          22. MommyPino says:

            Hi WAF, what do you mean by enlightened narcissist or a narcissist who had an awakening experience? Are you saying that Jim Carrey’s narcissism was cured from doing the Andy Kaufman role as he had been telling people that it was an awakening experience? Do you mean enlightened narcissist as the narcissism being cured or partially evolving into having empathy somehow?

          23. WAF Tudorita says:

            I wouldn’t presume to know how a narcissist having had an enlightenment experience that wasn’t fully abiding would behave
            If it’s a partial awakening- realizing you’re God (everything) without the paradox of the rest of the awakening -realizing you’re Nothing …I imagine that could be very dangerous and if there’s any remnants of ego leftover (much less narcissistic ego) – one can become pretty annoying at the best (Mr. Enlightened Guru Rama Lama Ding Dong – as many do )
            … or a psychotic lunatic with a God complex at worst -(Charles Manson )
            I don’t claim to know if a really good full blast awake that leaves little ego-identification behind is possible for a narc, but if so, I’d imagine it presents something like Jim Carrey in recent times- but again – I have no way of knowing . Jim might’ve caught a glimpse and then taken that seeing right back into narcissism . He walked onstage a late night talk show once and stood before the audience- completely in amused awe that they kept clapping as long as he was still standing. That’s pretty arrogant for an awakened dude- but also, life becomes pretty friggin hilarious after a good blast – and especially for the first while one can be pretty douche about it, so who knows?
            I would SUSPECT a narc would have trouble having a full awakening as it involves the realizing that you don’t actually exist as a separate entity – pretty much a narc nightmare id think – it’s a bit traumatizing for even those less identified as an ego – I can’t see a narc taking it well.

          24. HG Tudor says:

            A Lesser or Mid Range Narcissist (the overwhelming majority of narcissists) would not awaken because the narcissism will not and cannot let that happen.

          25. WAF Tudorita says:

            And a greater?
            This is something I was attempting to ask in an earlier discussion . Except unless you experientially get what I’m saying-you wouldn’t be able to answer, I’d assume . I’d had my suspicions on you HG .

          26. HG Tudor says:

            I know what I am and I am allowed to know what because of the way that I function. There is no need to tamper with that.

          27. WAF Tudorita says:

            Oh yeah so
            Obv Manson , Brand & Carrey aren’t Greaters. But I suspect they all caught glimpses – had awakening experiences- just not abiding ones . Like maybe on acid or something for Manson
            Then taken those glimpses back into who identification.
            Carrey tho? His seems to be a bit more thorough but who’s to tell? Is Carrey a Greater?

          28. Cyn says:

            Jim Carrey also has Bipolar Disorder, so it’s another piece of the puzzle and another piece of cognition so in my opinion he could have gotten a glimpse, maybe in hypomanic state, or full blown mania. He is also an annoying idiot in my opinion and I can’t stomach him so haven’t seen nor heard of his enlightenment but my curiosity is peaked. Maybe I’ll YouTube him and be able to stand watching him? Something about him has always been an assault to my senses.

          29. HG Tudor says:

            No he hasn’t, that is just a manifestation of his narcissism which is mistakenly viewed as being bipolar.

          30. WAF Tudorita says:

            “I know what I am and I am allowed to know what because of the way that I function. There is no need to tamper with that“

            But you said you’re an atheist ?
            How does that figure ?
            You know what you are; then obv you know you never began and you will never end. Only HG began and will end.

          31. HG Tudor says:

            I do not understand what atheism has to do with what I have written.

          32. WAF Tudorita says:

            My confusion;
            You implied (I thought) that a Greater could awaken (of course it’s never ending) or at least have an awakening experience ..
            HOW does awareness reconnect with the I AM , see through the illusion of separation, see that there’s nobody home ,
            …and then have this be abiding ? Unless it cracks the narcissism wide open?
            The reaching-out for “fuel” would become redundant, surely?
            UNLESS it was a brief seeing, followed by reidentification.
            (Which is what I suspect w Carrey but unsure)

          33. MommyPino says:

            Thank you for clarifying WAF Tudorita. Lol I love the Tudorita. 😊. I have read HG’s response about Lessers and Mid-Rangers which was actually the direction that I was going to when I asked you about narcissists being awakened or enlightened. I think that it can be dangerous in terms of being hoovered to have hope that they can have awakening. I think that Greaters have always been awake with who they are but they have no inner desire to alter the way they function because it is counterproductive to how they are wired.
            I’m not sure if you like Jim Carrey but if you do I hope this doesn’t offend you. I actually don’t like him. I used to like him when I was young because I admired that he came from humble origins and made it big in Hollywood. I also thought that he had a good heart. A few years ago I have read about his ex girlfriend committing suicide with a suicide letter that looks like the letters from readers sent to HG for publication here in this blog. I also saw the screenshots of his abusive text messages to her when they were still in a relationship. This happened years after he made the Man on the Moon movie. If you look at her pictures, she totally had a codependent aura about her and she seems like a really sweet person. So I don’t think that he is truly awakened. I am guessing that he’s a Mid-Ranger so I think that there are times that he thinks he is enlightened when all that it is is just another grandiosity moment.

          34. WAF Tudorita says:

            Well, when one awakens one knows it. If one doesn’t know it-they’re in the dream of being a person. Being aware one is a narcissist is a different thing – and I’m just dyyying to know what HG is bc as I’ve mentioned before- if he realizes he doesn’t actually exist other than fragments of personality he’s stolen , he not so different from one who realizes their true nature and sees the personality/ego structure/psyche as a combo of DNA , conditioning & inexplicable tendencies and inclinations.
            As for Charles Manson , Russell Brand and many more – if the actions don’t line up with the guru speak then it wouldn’t be much of an awakening- although a LOT of funny stuff can occur afterwards as the conditioning/ego seems to have a life of its own and an interesting little battle to stay in charge can occur causing some strange shit.

            What I can’t understand is what HG’s true nature is.
            Jim Carrey cane from a town called Newmarket which is close to my hometown Toronto. I have no opinion on him – a couple of his movies I enjoyed while high but generally I find him annoying
            However since his “awakening” his whole vibe is different. Intiquing. At first he was so overjoyed and wanted to tell everyone about it,just scream it from the rooftops and that’s really common. Because you see everything is ok and what a big joke it all is- it’s total freedom and it’s SO OBVIOUS so you just wanna help everyone see it.
            After he did that he went oddly quiet and just emanates what I feel as a low energetic rumble – like how elephants do. (Lower than our eardrums can process)
            Which made me question what happens if a narc sees through the dream? There would t be any NEED for fuel bc only the ego needs outside-validation.
            It IS possible to intellectually GRASP wtf is going on here without knowing it experiencially, but that’s very dry and it’s not the same as absolute truth

            If The Devil were to exist I’d imagine it would be similar. Fully self aware that one doesn’t exist as an “entity” per se- and yet so far into separation there’s no empathy.
            Which is WHY, HG, I asked if you COULD be self aware as you are of being no-self – and NOT have to go through what I can only imagine would be the SHEER AGONY of facing the Creature (the psyche, ego, conditioning) – would you?

          35. MommyPino says:

            Thank you WAF Tudorita. I haven’t seen it that way but those are interesting perspectives. I do remember Jim Carrey acting like the ones you described. And I am now googling Brand and seeing the guru thing that you and SP are talking about. I still feel that it’s just part of their grandiosity. I have read The Power of Now where Eckhart Tolle described his awakening. Because of my experiences with narcissists and things that I learned from HG, I am more inclined to believe E. Tolle than Jim Carrey or Brand. I am guessing that Tolle is a Contagion empath. I believe that his awakening is not because he believes himself to be special or more awakened than regular humans which is what I think where a narcissist’s awakening is coming from. I believe that Tolle really had a genuine awakening and he wants to share that awakening to people. Not because it makes him superior or special from the rest but because he wants to help people. The money and fame just came as a result but his initial drive is to help people. At least that’s what I personally think.

          36. WAF Tudorita says:

            Lol talk about a God Complex! Realization of absolute truth – actual realization of omnipotence -in the hands of a narc.. damnnn

          37. Sweetest Perfection says:

            I know right? However, his last show, The Messiah Complex, was hilarious from my point of view, I saw him live. He has turned into this boring “enlightened” advice giver on the internet and he has lost my interest since.

          38. HG Tudor says:

            He is a complete tool.

          39. Sweetest Perfection says:

            He used to be sharp and funny, in an obnoxiously bold way. Now he just turned into a pretentious Dalai-Lama-wannabe.

          40. WAF Tudorita says:

            well my thoughts are this ;
            Atheism (lack of belief in god) is often linked to the belief that upon physical death there is simply an absence in awareness
            Usually, part of awakening is seeing that there IS no individual awareness , so therefore no break or absence of it
            Is this your understanding , experiencially?

            Are you awakened, HG? If so, does a narcissist who awakens just become pure evil ;so to speak)
            I’ve wondered who exactly I’m speaking to here lol
            Could a Greater awaken and break out of the narcissism or just it just become aware evil?
            Is it POSSIBLE to “tamper” with your awareness , as I was asking once before ?

          41. Anm says:

            How is it possible that you consider Adam Sandler a Narcissist? The town I live in, is frequented often by celebrities because of the resorts, rehabs centers, and holistic doctors here.
            I can name a long list of celebrities that come here regularly.
            Adam Sandler spends about a month out of the year here, because his sister lives here. He is probably the most down to earth person when he comes. He just goes to the same local restaurants and shopping malls as any of the locals here. He never request any VIP accommodations. I think he is sometimes too nice. Like he doesn’t get mad if a server at a restaurant wants a selfie with him. He will just do it.

          42. HG Tudor says:

            Where have I stated that Adam Sandler is a narcissist?

          43. NarcAngel says:

            I think people confused you as saying Adam Sandler was a narcissist when you replied “he’s a narcissist” to MommyP, but you were actually referring to Russell B who was also mentioned in the comment.

          44. HG Tudor says:

            Yes I was referring to Brand, not Sandler.

          45. MommyPino says:

            Thank you for the clarification HG. I got confused. That makes me happy. I also thought that Adam Sandler is a super down to earth person and a family man. 😊

          46. MommyPino says:

            Oh HG, I may have misunderstood you. When you responded to my comment, “he is a narcissist.” I thought that you were referring to Adam Sandler because I said that I don’t think that he is a narcissist. But in the same comment I was also talking about Russell Brand, were you referring to Russell Brand and not Adam Sandler?

          47. HG Tudor says:


          48. MommyPino says:

            Thank you HG!!

        2. MommyPino says:

          Also both Adolf Hitler and Osama Bin Laden are INFJs.

          1. MommyPino says:

            Kel2day, I just want to say that I have another older response waiting to be moderated. This one above about Hitler and Bin Laden were just an additional thought or info but I think because it got moderated first it looks insensitive without my older comment. I just want to let you know just in case the other comment doesn’t get through soon.

    4. Whitney says:

      I used to be obsessed with MBTI until I found HG’s description of the ‘Geyser Empath’. He described who I am with the most accuracy and deepest meaning. My behaviour stems from love, which is all I believe in or care about.

      HG is a behavioural genius and his classification of people supersedes MBTI.

      Perhaps Midrangers answer MBTI questions with their facade.

      My Narcs:
      UMR Elite: “ENFP”.
      MMR Somatic: “INFP”… same as me… even though he first told me he was INTJ.
      LMR Somatic: INTJ
      The Psychopath: INTP

      I believe HG is INTJ. This is the rarest type.
      N: Intuitive- HG is extremely intuitive. Seeing the bigger picture, noticing patterns, analysing things on a deeper level, etc.
      T: Thinking- HG thinks rather than feels, obviously.
      J: Judging- HG is organised.

      I’m not sure if HG is Introverted or Extroverted. I say Introverted, because Introverts are smarter, statistically. Introverts believe the real world is in their head, and extroverts believe the real world is in their environment. HG thinks before he says something. He is measured in his speech. He has a lot going on in his head!

      1. Narc noob says:

        Whitney, interesting observations. How did you go about diagnosing your psychopath, did you use HG for all of the above? I always imagined HG to be more an extrovert.

        1. Whitney says:

          Hi Narc noob, you are probably right HG is more extroverted.

          Yes I used HG’s Narc Detector for the LMR, the UMR, and the MMR! The Narc Detector service saved my life.
          Before that I was posting on an MBTI forum trying to understand the LMR who was abusing me, based on him being INTJ ha. I was SO confused!!!

          I haven’t tested the Psychopath on the Narc Detector. He doesn’t have a false self or grandiosity. I think he’s a Psychopath because he doesn’t dream (like HG), he has extremely low emotion, and has no empathy. He doesn’t love anyone except me, apparently. I told him he would qualify to have Antisocial Personality Disorder or Psychopathy and he said “I probably would. so what? what’s your point?”

  8. Caity says:

    “My heart belongs to someone else right now, but if you’re patient, I will give it to you.”
    After ten years of knowing him. He was right, in a way. His ‘heart’–that nasty, useless thing, belonged to another but she threw it back at him. Had she kept up, I would have been stuck with him. As it was, he panicked, went back, begged forgiveness, and freed me. I didn’t know that at the time, of course. Until I started reading HG. I feel sorry for her, but in the end, she’s a codependent and always will be.

    After reading ‘Fuel’ and ‘Fury’, among others, did I realize what I had avoided, and that I really was free.

    1. Jennifer Qualia says:

      I love this quote….I think when my hoover returns I will use it on him!!!

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Do not respond to any hoover. Indeed, you should ensure there is no hoover.

  9. Renarde says:

    How generous HG. Thank you. That will be of enormous help to others.

  10. AR says:

    „You are what you think” – by female mid-range narc. 😂

    „He loves you. He just doesn’t show it to you. He keeps it to himself”.

    Each person’s love is different.

    Why did you call your parents when you were hospitalized? Couldn’t you just take care of yourself? – by a member of family in which i was born. ( i was abroad that time)

  11. EmP says:

    You’re like me, not easy to pin down.
    I’ve been told I’m easy on the eye.
    I’m not a nutter.
    The taxi driver went the wrong way, that’s why I’m so late.
    That was my little sister calling me.
    I find it difficult to accept compliments, thank my parents for that.

  12. Chihuahuamum says:

    Forgot to add another one the narc would say and it was about getting ID’ed for buying liquor which he does look way younger than his age of early 60s but he still looks in his 40s not young enough to be ID’ed. I thought at first maybe it was a tongue in cheek joke but no he took pride in it. Whether it happened or not it doesnt matter i just think hes silly to think he actually looks too young to purchase alcohol smh

    1. Whitney says:

      Hahaha that made me laugh Chihuahua mum. In his 60s and thinks they checked his ID 🤣

      1. Chihuahuamum says:

        Hi whitney…lol i know right!?? But he really is delusional that way! He thinks hes in his 20s

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          That’s hilarious, Chihuahuamum. Mine posted pics of himself with strangers saying that he had become an attraction. The embarrassment is real.

        2. Whitney says:

          Omg that’s so funny. One good thing about these people 🤣

        3. Renarde says:

          Hey Chihuahuamum

          It’s probably not due to him being THAT delusional. He’s just recounting a story that he thinks makes him look better. Virile. The fact that you find it amusing shows that you have already seen through the facade. Fine, that is what HG teaches us but the fact he hasn’t realised it shows his utter lack of awareness.

  13. cogra002 says:

    Is it, indeed your birthday?

    1. K says:

      September is HG’s birthday month and my money is on Monday, September 23 the first day of Autumn in the Northern Hemisphere.

      1. September 19th?

        1. K says:

          Intrepid Traveller
          Very good, however, HG was born in Autumn.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Meteorological Autumn commenced in Britain on 2nd September, K.

          2. K says:

            Fuck me! Ha ha ha…I should have stuck with:

            K says:
            February 7, 2019 at 16:26
            My money is on September 22 for HG’s birthday.

          3. K says:

            Ha ha ha…that leaves the whole month of September wide open.

          4. K says:

            Does your birthday fall in the Meteorological or Astronomical Fall Season?

          5. HG Tudor says:

            Fall? What’s that?

          6. K says:

            Ha ha ha…Autumn.

          7. Sweetest Perfection says:

            K, I didn’t like that term either, used as I was to the word Autumn instead. And then I watched Legends of the Fall. Immediate conversion. Brad Pitt wouldn’t look the same had the title been Legends of Autumn.

          8. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            Ha ha ha…damn skippy! Brad Pitt is hot.

          9. Sweetest Perfection says:

            He’s one of my favorite actors too, K. No objectification!

          10. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            He was great in Inglourious Basterds.

          11. Sweetest Perfection says:

            My favorite role is as Tyler Durden but I love every single one of them. In Babel he acts next to my goddess- idol, Cate Blanchett ❤️

          12. K says:

            I want to read Fight Club first, then watch the movie but I liked him in: Allied, Ocean’s Eleven and The Big Short.

          13. Sweetest Perfection says:

            K I have read FC and watched the movie. Both are fabulous, an exception for movies based on novels.

          14. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            That’s exactly what I have been told and it’s not often when the book and the movie are both good. The Firm by John Grisham was very good but I liked the movie ending better than the ending in the book. Argo was a great book; the movie…not so much and I’m not a fan of Ben Affleck.

          15. K says:

            Brilliant move BTW! I’m going with the Year of the Dog.

          16. Renarde says:


            Ha ha! We should run a book!

            I’m just replying here as I cant see where else to comment but I caught the discussion about astronomical question of ‘Autumn.’ Which is bizarre because a friend of mine mentioned the importance of what she had achieved in August (concerned with winding up a business). She mentioned that the first day of Autumn is indeed the 1st September. Bizarrely, I was balls deep in a book about important days concerning folklore and therefore I questioned her. (She is bad ass occult). She didn’t know. She usually does.

            What I can say as a FRAS (brag) is that the Autumnal Equinox is time driven (unlike the Major Sabbats of Imbolc, Beltane, Lammas and Samhain). So it’s the exact point that the day and night are equal. It’s usually around the 21st, when the Sun moves into Libra. It could be as late as the 23rd this year but I’ve not looked at an Ephemeris in years.

            Anyway, hmm, HG’s birthday. Well, to my mind there is only one day it can be. There are other indicators littered through the site which are intresting. I could be all ‘physic-ee’ about this but in this particular situation, I’m going with my contagion.

            It’s the 19th. My lucky number.

          17. HG Tudor says:

            Wrong. It is not the 19th. I know you are deducing that from my email address and not only is that incorrect it would be too obvious. There is only one person who has understood what the significance of what my email address means, I was rather impressed actually.

          18. Renarde says:

            Hmm. I also thought it was rather obvious which is why ive left your ‘special’ day alone.

            My birthday is September 19th.

          19. Cyn says:

            Awwww you are virginal and pure as well! Me too!

          20. Renarde says:


            I am where it counts. Hope you are to x

          21. Cyn says:


          22. K says:

            I did think 1909 could have been your birthday, however, I thought too obvious.

            Any hints or comfort crumbs re: the significance of what your email address means?

          23. HG Tudor says:

            No hints or comfort crumbs.

          24. K says:

            Ha ha ha…thanks for the laugh.

          25. HG Tudor says:

            You are welcome.

          26. K says:

            Ha ha ha…I am sticking with Astrological Autumn (Fall).

          27. Renarde says:


            You’re a wise ‘un.

            Freddie would have been 73 today.

            God I fucking miss him. There was something right in the world that he lived in.

            Happy Birthday Freddie.

          28. FYC says:

            HG, You piqued my curiosity on the meaning behind narcissist1909. Is it in reference to the first discussion on Narcissism that took place at conference in Vienna in 1909? If not, do you care to share the real meaning?

          29. HG Tudor says:

            That’s an interesting guess, FYC, but it is wrong. No, I will not share the real meaning.

          30. NarcAngel says:

            I think it’s because Manchester U won the FA cup in 1909 for the first time and they’re his fav team.

            Bwa hahaha

            Ouch!!!! You didn’t have to use the taser HG!!

            ** shuffles off to naughty stool while sticking out tongue and muttering “should have said first game Arsenal vs Tottenham”.

          31. HG Tudor says:

            Tut tut.

          32. FYC says:

            Ha ha NA, party in the dungeon again?

          33. Sweetest Perfection says:

            NA, haha, the taser thing made me laugh. I think the number combination tells us he’s the ONE. Like Neo 😉

          34. FYC says:

            Thanks for the reply HG, fair enough.

          35. HG Tudor says:

            No problem.

          36. FYC says:

            HG, please do indulge another attempt to solve the mystery of narcissist1909. Is it referencing 23 August 1909: The date the Secret Service Bureau counter-espionage unit (MI5) was secretly established? No need to answer if it is accurate, if not, please set me straight.

      2. cogra002 says:

        Flowed by me on Oct 7

      3. PrincessSuperEmpath says:

        K: Please tell me what you think, if you read: Fight Club. I saw the movie a while back, but I have the feeling that I missed the point of the movie along the way. And then one day HG said that the character Brad Pitt, triangulated with his own self, or something like that, in that movie. Thus, I am really re-interested in that film. So, I have to watch it again, since I know more about behaviour of late. The book sounds very interesting, as well. And the book could possibly go into more details that may not have been developed in the film… I remember that I did like the film, despite my confusion.

        1. K says:

          It’s in the queue and I will let you know what I think.

          1. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Omg spoiler alert. Chuck Palahniuk is a genius. My favorite quote, which now reminds me of HG shopping at IKEA (JK): “You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you’re satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you’ve got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you’re trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you.” I have the book right here, in my office.

          2. NarcAngel says:

            Sweet P

            Says Chuck from his perfectly appointed apartment. He’s right though – you shouldn’t let things own you, so start by throwing out his book.

          3. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Nooo! Never! I can’t throw it away, I need it for reasons I can’t detail here. You don’t like the novel, I assume?

          4. NarcAngel says:

            Sweet P
            Haha, I don’t even know what book it is. I was just laughingly objecting to someone telling you you should not have nice things when he probably buys them with his book royalties. Just teasing you.

          5. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Oh, the whole metaphysical discussion we can get lost in here. Yes, the author himself feeds on the same capitalist market the book denounces and the characters attack. I call it collateral damage.

          6. Sweetest Perfection says:

            NA: read it if you have the time, you’re gonna fucking love it. You could very well be Marla (said with total admiration for the character).

          7. Sweetest Perfection says:

            K, when you watch the movie, pay attention to this tip: every time Brad Pitt plays a bad guy, he tilts his head as in trying to crack his neck bones to get ready to hit someone. He always does that. I love it.

          8. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            I will pay attention when I watch the movie. It must be a good book if you keep a copy in your office.

          9. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Haha that depends of what I need it in my office for right? But you know the first rule of Fight Club is…

          10. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            Ha ha ha ….I do now! I got the answer using the Google Machine.

          11. Sweetest Perfection says:

            K, also, pay attention to the soundtrack. Especially to the “Pixies” moment. Ok ok I will shut up now. I’m excited to hear your opinion!

          12. K says:

            Sweetest Perfection
            Ha ha ha…will do!

  14. Chihuahuamum says:

    There have been so many ridiculous things my 3 narcs have said (mother, mil and partner).
    My mothers idiotic comments are when she rewrites history and makes up crap i did or didnt say or do. Also her gaslighting. When she gets into that narcky mood i could say white she would say black or reverse.
    My mil its more the ridiculous way she constantly builds herself up to try and obtain praise. It gets under my skin. Shes so desperate for attention.
    The narc partner…
    One thing i hate is when he says ” i want to love you with my dick” i now know this to mean “i dont love you its just sex”. Another is the constant obsession with having an affair. I think he really enjoys the deciet and getting one over on my spouse but the jokes on him bc the only reason hes even in my life is bc of issues in the marriage not bc hes anything super special. I think he gets a high out of the fact hes with someone married and feeling hes a don juan.
    The most idiotic thing he said to me once is when he tried triangulating me with an ex and said how bubbley she was. It was so blantantly obvious he was trying to triangulate me and make me feel insecure. He then mentioned in his apology after i told him it upset me that she was not his type and was too high maintenance then added she still emails a “polite” hello once in awhile. I told him i didnt want to ever hear about his exes again and that it was tacky on his part to bring them up.
    The most off the wall stupid comments from him are in reference to trump. Makes me want to roll my eyes back in my head and gag.

    1. strongerwendyme says:

      ” i want to love you with my dick” wow! Now that’s nuance 😉

      1. Kim e says:

        How could you resist? LOL….brother.
        I think I am happy mine used to just say it is only an act…I have no emotions. At least it was trueish………..

      2. cogra002 says:


        1. Shelf Fuel says:

          During sexting, Piano Boy used to tell me he wanted me to “worship his cock”.

          1. Chihuahuamum says:

            Hi shelf fuel….they dont need us to worship their dicks bc they do it enough on their own 😄

          2. Shelf Fuel says:


          3. cogra002 says:

            You make me laugh calling him Piano Boy!! I’m a professional musician so it’s extra funny. Truly there are stereotypes with certain instruments . The Narc is also a musician, and although his day job is in music retail, he has a secret life as a YouTube rockstar.

            You can’t make this up.

            Hence, writing songs (I wrote this for u Baby [copy paste paste paste]).
            I also have a life as a YouTube artist. The Narc has always been the bigger star in this area, he’s been doing it longer. I think he’s good. I’m a fan.
            However, if i may beam a moment, last week Narc and I uploaded videos the same day, …. not intentionally.

            Narc – just under 400
            Cogra002 – 4.1k , plus
            Facebook, 2000

          4. Renarde says:


            I’ll ‘worship’ his cock.

            He won’t like it very much. Actually, maybe he will considering what you have revealed. That’s fine. I will think of something new.

            P.S STOP worshiping his cock!

          5. Cyn says:

            I was going to spout off with all kinds of naughty hilarity but I can’t 😂😈😇😊

          6. Renarde says:

            Cyn. It’s like your name. You can!

          7. Cyn says:

            HG moderates me out lol

          8. Renarde says:

            Stand up. Be firm. X

          9. gabbanzobean says:

            Cogra….I forget who named him ‘Piano Boy’ but yeah it came about that way since is a musician (pianist). It was at one point ‘Piano Man’ but then it became ‘Boy’.

            And Renarde, yeah I shared a bunch of kinky shit with you that one time. I did worship his cock. But I also worshipped him too so it was pretty much everything.

            When he shelves me and pushes me away he doesn’t want me worshipping anything, cock or otherwise. In fact during the most recent break he said “your feelings for me stress me out, make me anxious, upset me and confuse me”.

            He wants the worship but then he doesn’t.

            And it is always because of his overwhelming guilt.

          10. Renarde says:

            Gabby – He doesn’t have guilt by default. He’s a narc.

            I think what he’s doing (and maybe by extension what a narc does to ALL IPSS’s) is giving himself a break from your fuel. He won’t be aware that’s why he’s doing it – which is why you get the bullshit ‘excuses’ (Might as well grab a dollop of fuel with a malignant). Then the cockwomble comes back again after a suitable time span.

            Can you not see how utterly pathetic this behaviour is?

            And I’m going to give you some advice. PB has done a real number on you. You are worth far far more than this. I suspect you have PTSD.

            If I were you, I would go to your doctor and politely DEMAND a psychiatric referral. While you’re at it, tell them you’re depressed and get on the Prozac. Also, I really recommend CBD oil (full spectrum).

            PB is vile but there are far worse narcs out there. What you really mustn’t do is get out of one relationship and pick up a Lesser. They will tear you apart for fuel. Tinder is a really really bad app. It will suit a Lesser far more as they are really quite stupid and have short attention spans.

            You can do this! We’re behind you!

      3. cogra002 says:


        He’d have to leg go of it for a few Wouldn’t he!!

        1. Yes, chihuahuamum’s narc is quite a wordsmith 🙂

      4. Renarde says:

        He’d have to find it first, Wendy.

    2. NarcAngel says:

      If someone said to me: I want to love you with my dick

      My reply would be: (with a dubious expression) Hmm……I dunno, what else you got?

      1. Chihuahuamum says:

        Hi narcangel…😁😄

  15. Claire says:

    “ But I told you I cannot go to Mardi Gras this year. I am going to the engagement party at … ( his hometown). I told you I had been nvited, remember?”

    Nah, I don’t remember it , twit. Maybe you told another appliance, er, I mean friend.
    This was a gaslighting. He might be really invited but not a single word spoken to me prior to the event whatsoever.

    “ I love reading, especially fantasy. This is my favourite book. “
    A trashy fantasy trilogy , full of violence, homosexual rapes, cruelty and adultery. The major characters are sadistic scumbags.

    “ I understand. But we can be just friends. I am always happy to give you ****** ( censored), anytime “.
    After discovering his promiscuity and putting the end of the relationship.
    Thank you, your skills are not great anyway, a lot more to be desired .
    Keep your STDs for you, AC DC .

  16. cogra002 says:

    Where are we donating? Like what link?
    And is it truly HGs Birthday?
    These things get started….like when a whole Instagram thread had him getting married.
    Or are we celebrating that too!!!
    Someone direct me to donating.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      goto Angel Assistance Birthday Boost

  17. Whitney says:

    My Midrange Narcs used an economy of expression. Very direct with words. Not flowery at all. They were masculine (high testosterone) like HG.
    I wonder if they were psychopathic?

    Other Narcs who tried to ensnare me were verbose with language. I didn’t like them.

    1. Renarde says:


      Honey, you have just contradicted yourself. Do you see it?

      “My Midrange Narcs used an economy of expression. Very direct with words. Not flowery at all. They were masculine (high testosterone) like HG.
      I wonder if they were psychopathic?”

      HG is very clever because he is doing two things and it has (understandably) confused you.

      The best way to illustrate this is by examining the cadres. The GEN and the GCN. So this is HG’s site and Vankin’s site. Vankins’ site is very strangely confused. Fussy. We get a bit cross-patch with WordPress but it is, largely, very clear.

      I can’t believe I’m about to write this. But it needs to be said.

      HG truly understands NPD in a way that his fellow, Vankin, even though HE is also aware, is not able to communicate the work effectively. Why?

      My point is that you have arrived at a conclusion that a ‘paucity ‘ of words means that they are a psychopath. That could be true however there are no determinate behaviours (either way) that have necessarily been displayed.

      But why is HG displaying two concepts?

      One – He is intelligent and understands his subject. This is why he is clear.

      Two – HG is a really good writer. We emotionally connect with his words. If HG was just writing ‘The Survivours Guide to being ensnared by a Narc’ and that was it. Well, we wouldn’t be here. Would we?

      Bottom line is that IF a narc thinks he can get away with it, he will do the absolute MINIMUM to get fuel. THAT is the most energy efficient action.

      HG is regularly going over and beyond. That’s very intresting.

      I hope this helps.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        An easy way to remember it, is that L essers are fundamentally Lazy, Mid Range Narcissists want the Minimum of effort, Greaters will apply Greater levels of effort.

        1. Renarde says:

          That brilliant! Almost as good is my mnemonic I used to teach the A Level on remembering Flemings Left Hand rule, Mother Fucking Cunt (they where 18. Ish. I’m sure they survived)

      2. Whitney says:

        Renarde how did I contradict myself?

        I can contradict myself in the same sentence, so I wasn’t surprised when you said that. But I can’t see how I did then.

        1. Renarde says:


          HG is a Greater but he’s using more words then one might expect. Vankin is also aware and he can’t stop talking. Therefore, you simply can’t rely on how a narcissist communicates as an indicator of NPD. I knew a Lesser (Victim) who would never shut up either.

      3. Whitney says:

        I looked up the person you mentioned and he’s boring. I turned it off right away. It would be nice if he hid his face.

        1. Renarde says:

          Ha ha!

          It’s funny because it’s true!

  18. Em says:

    “Ok, wish I could understand why. I don’t cope well with accepting things that I don’t comprehend, but that’s for me!
    Wish you well. I’m sure you know that I always speak highly of you because I think highly of you, and will continue to do so.”
    Bullshite all about him. Plus leaving the door open.
    Wishing me well 😂

  19. Chihuahuamum says:

    Lol be back to post some doozers 😄😁

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