The Duchess of Sussex has spoken of the unbearable pressure of life in the spotlight as a member of the Royal Family, saying it is no longer enough for her to “just survive” it. Naturally, being a new member to the Royal Family necessitates scrutiny and being thrust into the spotlight. Furthermore, as an actress who appeared on a popular television show “Suits” and also someone who knew she was marrying into the Royal Family was fully aware of the level of the limelight she was becoming exposed to. She did so knowingly and more importantly willingly, she did so willingly because her narcissism embraced this as a method of asserting control of a huge scale and drawing fuel from an extensive and varied fuel matrix. Of course, Meghan Markle is not aware that this is the case, her narcissism operates in an unconscious fashion, but it is the driving force behind her behaviour and her actions and words as previously analysed demonstrate her narcissism and also how she is unaware of the various manipulative behaviours she engages in, because in order for her narcissism to function, it must blind her to what she is actually doing.
A classic example of that related to the banana incident as highlighted in the article A Very Royal Narcissist 2 . Briefly, Meghan Markle signed bananas for sex workers with supposedly empowering and supportive messages. She consciously believed this was a kind and thoughtful gesture. She was unaware that it was grandiose, lacking emotional empathy, transgressing boundaries and was done to garner control of the situation by ensuring all eyes were on her and that she would manage her facade to look kind and considerate. All of those things were being done by her narcissism in an unconscious way, but she cannot see how her behaviour appears, because her narcissism blinds her to it.
The Duchess´comment about the unbearable pressure of her life in the spotlight (ironically enough being conveyed ahem through the spotlight – but of course such irony is lost on her) is actually a Pity Play designed to elicit sympathy for her predicament. This sympathy is fuel and signals to her that she has control. It is also being used to blame shift by stating that anything she does is not because she is to blame (the narcissist must always reject accountability) but is the fault of someone or something else. In this instance it is the pressure that is the problem and those generating the problem, namely the media (more on that in due course). The Duchess is triangulating between herself, viewers and the media pressure in order to assert control.
The Duchess, said it is essential for her to “thrive” and “feel happy”, warning that simply enduring with unwanted scrutiny is “not the point of life”. This is another Pity Play.
The Duchess’s words, in which she insists she has “really tried” to adopt the British stiff upper lip before concluding it is “internally really damaging”, will lend weight to fears that the Sussexes are seeking a path away from traditional royal family life. (Pity Play. Threatened Loss. This is foreshadowing the threat of not following a traditional family life, which is again being done to assert control. Threatened Loss similar to the use of Future Faking is using a future event to assert control in the here and now. By suggesting that there may be a change in the future by seeking a path away from traditional royal family life, this asserts control by garnering a reaction through fuel (an emotional response from the interviewer, the listener, viewers and readers) , it is also foreshadowing potential isolation by removing Prince Harry (who is the Duchess´Intimate Partner Primary Source (the most important provider of fuel, character traits and residual benefits which are the Prime Aims of the narcissist) from control from other people who would interfere with the Duchess´control of him) and also Blame Shifting. The Blame Shifting is occasioned by rejecting accountability for the withdrawal (which is all about isolating Prince Harry from perceived threats to her control) by pinning the blame on the media. This of course has some plausibility (hence why the narcissism does this – it would be pointless saying “We are going to seek a period of isolation because the moon of made is cheese” as that would not make any sense.) owing to the fact that the media are seen as intrusive. However, if a normal person was taking this step, it WOULD be for reasons of avoiding media intrusion. However, where this action is taken by a narcissist, one looks at it through the prism of narcissism and this is why there is actually a different set of reasons governing this behaviour.
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I wonder if theres anything to the fact harry and meghans picture is missing from the queens side table? Some speculate its to sdnd the public a hidden message that she doesnt approve of their marriage.
I’m curious to know how she gets on with Narcissist Charles and Narcissist Camilla. My guess is she kisses ass because they are clearly higher on the narc status platform.
Hi horseyak…i can envision meghan smoosing charles but loxking horns with camilla. Camilla seems to be the watchdog of the family. She never accepted kate for a span of time.
HG, I find this really interesting and educational also looking at the 2 brothers. Both born into the same highly unusual circumstances the British monarchy, a narcissist father a highly unstable mother who was possibly borderline and def suffered from trauma, their grandmother is the queen, they’re parents highly public and at times very embarrassing divorce, then her death and that funeral, Harry has also had to endure the gossip that Charles is not his father, he doesn’t have the defined role of William. Both boys exposed to all the same stuff and yet William gravitates to a non narcissist girl from a normal middle class family at a fairly young age and despite no doubt having his own challenges seems to have developed a fairly stable adult life, Harry on the other hand marries a narcissist and is ensnared , married and father to her child very quickly. I don’t believe William could be ensnared by a narcissist . My point being the whole nature / nurture thing.
William could be ensnared, he avoided doing so however.
Is Charles a narc? He seems singularly lacking in the legendary charm.
I thought he was socially unaware to the point of being almost on the spectrum. He has the sense of entitlement, beyond even what his position would explain, but where’s the ability to manipulate?
Ask Diana I’m sure she’ll tell you.
Is she? When did that happen?
Lol, back in 1997,you should know that your from the UK.
I wasn’t born then Pati, that’s why I missed it.
Same with me But I googled the year she died so I can respond to you correctly sweety.
That would make you no more than 22 years old, and you were married for 7 years. I thought they stopped marrying off kids by proxy in the middle ages.
Oh no not another one.
Violetta. I think Charles is charming. In a sort of cerebral victim somatic sort of way.
Hedge your bets there PSE, why don’t you?!
Ha ha ha!
I’d say not Elite then but I wouldn’t want that to misconstrued as me saying he was one!
Dearest HG: Yes. I feel sort of embarrassed to say to Violetta that I find Charles charming, after reading Violetta`s definitive statement about his lack of charm. I think embarrassment is a sort of a mysterious thing at times. I feared Violetta would chastise me, I guess. And I like her posts and so I do not want her to consider me as `less than,` for finding him charming. And, I fear people that I like, for some reason. Otherwise, I am like an assassin. lol. But, I said so anyway, that I find him charming, but with a hedge. and by rifling up a bit of courage. But, I spoke truth with fear. Thus, the weak hedge. Hahaha. Good catch: HG Tudor. Behavioral Genius. Indeed. 🙂
PSE: If you like him, you like him. I’ve read many anecdotes about how tactless he is, but maybe he’s exhibited charm elsewhere. I’ve liked some pretty strange people, so I’m hardly going to sit in judgment here. I couldn’t if I wanted to: HG does the only chastising around here, and rightly so.
Glad you like my posts, but don’t let me or any other reader scare you. Like everyone else who reads this site, I’m still learning to apply this knowledge.
Very interesting article ty HG! I do hope youre protected legally which im sure youve made certain of in light of charges being pressed against the media.
I have mixed feelings where harrys concerned. I no longer feel hes a narcissist i do still see him as having a lot of narc traits. One of those traits i think is what got him into this mess. I think he has always wanted to stand out from his royal family. He wanted to break the royal mold and tradition by choosing someone who was so very different and against the rules so to speak. A divorcee, woman of color, actress and the list goes on. What he didnt bargain for is choosing a narcissist that would do all that and more by controlling him as well!
Me agains statement about not having this sort of media issue in the states umm yeah lol its in the states as well but she has poked a bees nest in the UK and also the states by her behaviours and the consequences of them namely issues within the royal family and the media is running with it. The rift between the brothers is HER! Shes caused a rift with kate/staff as well and that has caused a rift with the brothers. What she didnt bargain for is how difficult it would be to have her cake and eat it too. She wanted to waltz into the royal family and UK and change and control it the way she wanted to while leading her life the way she used to but that isnt possible. Its narc against narc the royal family and her. She is now trying to isolate her victim from those that can see thru her. Im sure it is her idea to move away for an extended period of time.
I can see me again being in the future another fergie. Divorce is becoming very common and accepted in the royal family. Her days are numbered and she probably knows this from her past relationships and is why she made sure to get pregnant as soon as she could to secure herself within the family in a more permanent way. Archie is her meal ticket.
Based on the reactions and pictures of harry i suspect he realises he has made a mistake and is now in a sense trapped. He feels torn between his wife and his family as well as his duty as a royal. It is clear to see how deeply his parents divorce and all that surrounded it has impacted him. I can relate to this. Were all just people and wealth and status do not change the damage npd and troubled childhoods can bring in later years. Harry is a lost child still searching for himself and chose the wrong person to do this with. It will be sad watching this unfold and see yet again another unhappy marriage fall apart. So much of what we experience in our childhood can repeat itself if we dont heal and mend from our past. Harry is no exception.
It’s an old book, but she should have read Jilly Cooper’s “Class.” Markle had nouveau riche visions of cushy living, the latest designer clothes, and celebrity friends, while the highest ranks in the UK tend to cherish their drafty old castles, dowdy tweed skirts with Shetland pullovers for the ladies when off-duty (extra points for dog or horse droppings on the sensible shoes), and ancient school friendships with people nicknamed “Minnow” and “Piggers.”
One of Pratchett’s Discworld books (which lovingly skewered the British class system) had an exchange where someone’s c middle-class wife asks about which fork to use for a particular dish
High-ranking in-law: Oh, we just throw them under the table to the dogs
There is an aeroplane which has working class, middle class and upper class. The air stewards are working their way through each class, asking the passengers what they would like to eat.
Working class : ” Ay up, we will have bangers and mash and a glass of pop please love.”
Middle class : “Oh, I think one would prefer the duck a lórange and a glass of the Chateau Margeaux, thank you very much.”
Upper class : “Hello, bangers and mash please and if you would be so kind, a glass of fizzy pop.”
Quoting the social anthropologist Kate Fox: “Of all the forms of cultural capital by which the English judge a person’s social class, linguistic capital is by far the most important” (Reading KF’s ‘Watching the English’ at the moment).
Fookin´right our kid!
In “Keeping up Appearances,” supposedly posh people like Mrs. Counsellor Nugent or Mrs Fortescue always get on better with Hyacinth’s embarrassing relatives Daisy and Onslow than they do with Hyacinth. Daisy and Onslow are comfortable with themselves, and Hyacinth is clearly not.
This is why Markle goes in for things like avocado toast–it’s hipster luxe.
HG its sounds like you are explaining the lessers,midrangers,and greaters, lol!
The Mitfords would be ever so proud of how well you’ve grasped it!
When I first came across U and Non U, I was astonished at the similarities between U and WC backgrounds. Their languages and customs.
BTW Was it Panda Pops? I would reject if it wasnt. I’m WC and proud of it but I still have standards. If it was anything by Barr, well they can fuck RIGHT off. Iron- Bru is passable.
Basically, the British middle class is insecure whereas the working class and upper class are not because the latter two know their place whereas the first one doesn’t. Did you ever watch Grayson Perry’s documentary series A Matter of Taste? Eye-opening (to this American).
Violetta: Really! You can’t pull this statement on me: `while the highest ranks in the UK tend to cherish their drafty old castles, dowdy tweed skirts with Shetland pullovers for the ladies when off-duty (extra points for dog or horse droppings on the sensible shoes), and ancient school friendships with people nicknamed “Minnow” and “Piggers.” Really, Violetta? I say, when your coffers are not overly high, you go low. And glamorize it even. I am not deceived by that at all, and it is partially your fault for reminding me and even showing me so clearly all the strongly-monied Heiresses swapped for often various degrees of impoverished Titles, from wealthy daughters of wealthy families from the U.S. that was quite the rage for a while, and probably is still going on even if to a lesser degree, with various countries including Britain. It was an export business. I bet hose monied heiresses tidied up plenty of dank castles and plenty of estates with their strong money, while ordering some new sweaters/jumpers for the thankful-in-some-ways ( thankful for the heiresses money especially), in-law family members at the same time, that’s for sure. Like the series Downton Abbey: Where the titled family`s son married an American Heiress for her money, but in the series, he did come to love her over time, ( and probably after many renovations to the Abbey and the addition of new hires to clean up behind the animals). No need to cherish all that when the coffers are full enough, yes?
I don’t know if these pics or links will post, but here goes:
Yes, they did apply that money to spiff up the old manor, but they didn’t want furnishings or clothes to look TOO new, because that’s new money. There a moment in Rumer Godden’s China Court in which a village girl’s brand-new outfit, a turquoise suit and a hat trimmed with a pheasant (it’s the 1890s), draws giggles and contempt from two higher-ranking girls wearing shabby linen blouses, silk ties, and tweed skirts.
This theme shows up also in Wharton’s “Age of Innocence,” Paul Fussell’s book (called “Class” like Jilly Cooper’s, but an American view–it’s probably the origin of the term Gen X), and even in William Whyte’s mid-century sociological treatise, “The Organization Man.” New clothes=new money. Even when the clothes are new, the style should not be too trendy–Wharton’s characters used to put Paris gowns away for two years before they wore them in Boston.
Nobody actually likes Buckingham Palace: drafty, perennially sagging, and plagued with a long-standing mouse problem.. The Queen hated leaving Clarence House, but Churchill said she had to. Balmoral isn’t even thoroughly heated: the dogs don’t like it, the servants don’t count (they can layer up), and no one is stingier than rich people. Typical UC housing. Some old manors don’t have consistent hot water. While the Queen is always dressed impeccably in bright suits or coats with matching hats for public appearances (and in her younger days, stunning ballgowns), her off-duty wear is so drab that people have failed to recognize her and taken her for a housewife (which may be part of the reason she does it).
They don’t put on the dog because they don’t HAVE to. They know who they are.
Markle is like Hyacinth Bucket, but without any lovable or humorous qualities. She puts on the dog because she doesn’t know who she is and couldn’t accept it if she did know. When she does go casual, it’s at the wrong time: her informal clothing in South Africa was widely seen as an insult to her hosts. She may have meant it as a show of solidarity, but that’s not how it came across.
When the Queen Mum was criticized for wearing expensive outfits to visit bomb sites during the Blitz, she said that when the public came to see her, they wore their best outfits, so she ought to do the same thing. Markle only wears her best for Beyonce or Serena–not people in the Commonwealth.
Violetta: I get your statement here about taking the wealthy heiresses money for titles swap and using that money to spiff up the properties and wardrobes, etc, and restock the coffers, but desiring it to be done a certain way, and not looking overly `shiny,` right here: [ `Yes, they did apply that money to spiff up the old manor, but they didn’t want furnishings or clothes to look TOO new, because that’s new money.`] Violetta, But this bearing was also to maintain class distinction with the thought that new money was uncouth and did not know the value of certain things throughout history, because they had just risen from the mud, so to speak, with no valuable items of heritage passed on to them , nor knowledge and appreciation to purchase such items and no knowledge of quality clothing cut and material and so forth., and reeking of vulgarity and so forth. And full of bad form. Which is probably close to the truth in a lot of cases, both then and now. All that thinking about new money versus old money is still in effect. Until something has to be done so that old money does not collapse with their noses up in the air, for lack of various combinations of vigor, looks, or wealth etc. Then old money reluctantly and stiffly hugs vibrant and robust new money. And we all know that Change is usually resisted, but is unstoppable. I know all about that. But dank smelly castles and estates and the smell of old mothballed sweaters, and mildew and all that will never be pushed on me as classy. All that represents decline. Like when Nero burned down Rome: Right HG? And anyone with sufficient coffers, according to their own standards of what is considered sufficient, to keep what they own maintained, that will still live slovenly that way, and roughly that way, is also uncouth, to me, no matter how old the money. Anyway, The Queen Mum seems to have a sparkling way of commenting and thereby shutting down criticism so that she can do what she wants, within reason of course. I like that. Smart. But, of course, like you say, being too much on trend is also wasteful and shows lack of personal solidity. So I do also agree with some of the old thinking, as well.. But, I do find Meghan stylish. And she comes off as disciplined in taking care of herself. And when she came to New York, for the baby shower, there was practically a stampede of those that wanted to see her. It took a lot of security to move her about. So she may end up being that type of persona that people hate to love and love to hate, both. She has way more fans than one would believe from the comments so far on this site. Because she has quickly become a worldwide persona and not just a British one: Is this fact important on her behalf? I have absolutely no idea. But, I will keep in mind that HG says she will use mass media for her facade management. So, it is good to not be blindsided, just because one dislikes someone. Many do not dislike her. And how does Harry feel now, that when he travels with her, he is now treated as if here were a visiting King, and not just a Spare? Who knows. I doubt if he feels bad about that! And I still keep thinking of Diana, in the way that they both carry themselves. Diana also was criticized about her clothing choices, and for dressing too sexy and showing too much skin and other things, it was said. Kate as well, But, now Kate is not as much in the spotlight. I so find Kate stylish as well. But, all the negativity spoken about Diana is swept under the carpet now. And, Diana is being painted as a saint. With vicious supporters that will chastise one if they mention her escapes. in her history. When did this happen? Despite the interpersonal things that she did, as well as some of the outfits that she wore? Because she died, I would guess. Of course. So, I will just have to stay tuned.
Megan is NOT against the rule. Choosing Meghan is the rule that is difficult to follow against those that embrace familiar traditions. Harry got that right, at least. He is appearing more modern. The rule is to appear more modern. In order to survive a more antagonist and diverse populace that slowly has gained a modicum of power and therefore is more of a threat to the monarchy. Many times MEN are encouraged, as quietly as it is kept to break the old rules of creating their progeny, over time, by breeding outside of their own race. First of all, the child born of such a union grows the population of the males in power. The child is still his seed from his sperm and therefore increases his heritage and lineage. For example, Archie is still of the same lineage of his father including his true last name, of the line. And secondly, such children are sort of a shield against a possible future storm against the line. It is a 2 for one deal. It is a smart move, over time. The populace, ironically, and in general, are often against the status quo, even when the status quo is better for them. Now the populace has to shut up at times, about saying anything negative about the marriage, so in fact, that is a segment of the monarchy that the populace are being restricted from criticizing. See what I mean long term? Modernism is against the populace. Although it appears to be for the people and embracing the people. It is not. It is practically illegal on certain sites to say one criticism against Meghan Markle. I was on 2 sites last year, and I never posted once and finally left. Reader after reader were being blocked left and right. For what I saw as the most ridiculous criticisms and statements and comments with no malice against Meghan Markle that I could see. Wow. Spellcheck just corrected me on the spelling of her name! I am not joking regarding spell check. I typed Megan, and it pushed Meghan, on me. Regarding sites regarding Meghan Markle, You do not believe me? Take a little stroll on Facebook and read some of the rules for the Meghan Markle sites. It is unbelievable. I was afraid that if I misspelled her name even, I would be blocked. That is how strict it is becoming. I am not exaggerating. `Multiculturalism`, done the `right` way, by men in power is the `new` rule. Women do not bring in general bring such clout to their race when they do the same thing. Because they are incubating the seed of another race within their bodies. Different races have always been adversarial. The women are somewhat pardoned and tolerated at times, if such offspring is prosocial to her race and the men of her race though, more than being when such offspring are prosocial to the race of their own father of their own race. What Diana was doing is not considered Multiculturalism done `right.` What Harry has done is Multiculturalism done `right.` According to structures of power.
Her pity plays drives me nuts she wants sympathy and everyone to fell sorry for her. In one interview she says ” no one has every asked me if j am ok Really? I hope Harry gets outs soon. This article and all your others have explained it perfectly. Can someone please send your Blog to Harry anonymous he doesnt deserve this.
I think you have it all right about her HG and looking back at your other two entries on this I’m so impressed you got it very early on. Initially I pegged MM’s biological Father as a narcissist (which I assume he is?) and that was the reason for her awful relationship with him. I thought it was admirable that she was setting boundaries and cutting off the N in her life. I also initially assumed her ex husband was a narcissist (that growing up with a father like that she might be drawn to them in her romantic life). When there were initial rumblings of Kate and MM not getting along and the relationship between Harry and William suffering I completely blew them off as false. I guess where there is smoke there is usually fire though. I’m so sad for Harry. I wish he could see what you see, but he is in quite the predicament even if he could. Thank you for sharing this insightful piece!
You are welcome and kudos to you for evaluating the evidence as presented rather than maintaining an entrenched view based on illogical thinking or misunderstanding.
Agree with you on Dad. I think Mum is legit.
This is a real example of what HG advises all the time, if you want to beat the narcissist ignore them completely and utterly , they thrive on good or bad attention and drama, take that away and they have nothing. If they ever divorce she’ll flog a few stories , appear on a few chat shows , write a book and then fade away after a while. Harry’s children are not as important to the monarchy as Williams. If she divorces him she’s a nobody , yes she’ll have financial security but she’ll pretty much disappear after a short time. It’s just so unfortunate that more people don’t have access to this information.
This is – once again – a great article HG, and I really like the way you keep adding updates to describe Meghan’s progressive behaviour. Thank you for the thorough explanations.
She is turning out to be very ‘textbook’, as is the relationship. Seriously though, her calling him ‘H’ and announcing that to the world made me cringe. It made me think that even if they do have nick-names for each other, it’s a private thing. Why point that out to the world? It’s like she’s gloating over the fact she has the ability to do that.
About a week before you posted this article, I saw a headline about Meghan online that said, “Not many people have asked if I am OK”. I didn’t read the article, but as soon as I saw the headline, my first thought was “pity play”. She really is some piece of work.
Both she and Harry are trying to convince everyone that Meghan is in the same predicament as Diana used to be with the press. It sounds like Meghan would like to align herself with Diana and claim the same kind of public compassion and special treatment. In reality, the two are very different.
Diana started out being an inexperienced and shy teenager and was absolutely hounded over the following years by paparazzi who were much more intrusive and aggressive than they are now with Meghan. In contrast, Meghan is a divorced actress in her late-30s who is experienced with fame and media attention, plus she is not being hounded, although my guess is that she would probably welcome having the spotlight on her most of the time. It’s a storm in a teacup – although Harry is taking it very seriously because of the way his mother was persecuted by the media and of course her tragic death.
Some of the subtle comments Meghan dropped during the interview reminded me of my own mother and father’s relationship. To an onlooker, the comments seem innocuous and innocent enough, but if she keeps adding these ‘innocent’ comments onto a pile of other similar comments, they start to have an insidious devaluing effect.
For instance, saying that her British friends warned her not to marry Harry. That is an offensive thing to hear as a newlywed husband and father. It sounds fairly harmless on its own, but it does make the partner at the receiving end start to question themselves in the marriage and the ‘love’ they have for each other. Also, calling him H and broadcasting that to the world is not very respectful to him considering his position. Isolating him by taking him away from his family and friends and slowly making him accountable mainly to her is another textbook move.
You can see the look of subtle questioning in Harry’s eyes. It’s a look of unrelaxed confusion and inner doubt. It’s not that obvious and to anyone who is not aware, it would probably be unnoticeable or explained away due to other reasons. To someone who knows the signs though, it looks familiar.
I feel sorry for Harry. He was very supportive during the courtship and the wedding. He changed some royal protocols to make Meghan feel more welcome, like having the choir in the church singing ‘Stand By Me’ and having her mother be a large part of the day, and constantly holding Meghan’s hand and being responsive to her. I don’t believe things have been that ‘hard’ for her in terms of adapting to her new life with Harry. Yes, it’s a new role in a very different kind of culture and family so it will take some getting used to, however, she has not exactly been a shy debutante concerned about not breaking any rules.
The thing that struck me while reading HG’s article was that some of the comments and actions that HG pointed out could easily be denied or debated as being innocent or non-narcissistic. There is quite a lot of plausible deniability there. An unaware person would say there are grey areas that cannot be proven to be narcissistic and that everyone in her position would say things like that on occasion… eg. her comments about Archie ‘meeting’ Desmond Tutu. That is one of the reasons narcissism is difficult to explain to people convincingly. A narcissist’s manipulations can be subtle and easy to rationalise or explain away to an unknowing observer.
Very well stated WiserNow.
The behaviours demonstrate how readily people are taken in by manipulative behaviour because
1. They do not understand narcissism owing to the provision of misleading information and incomplete information, and
2. The obscuring effects of emotional thinking.
Too often people fail to see the manipulative behaviours and pass it off as something benign. That is the whole point. Most manipulative behaviour is subtle, insidious and is meant to be undetected. People are far more likely to be controlled when they do not realise that that is what is happening.
It does look genuine and convincing that’s where it gets tricky. That is where you come a long HG.
Thank you HG.
Yes, it’s very easy to pass off the manipulations as benign or to rationalise them. There’s just enough ‘objective reality’ mixed into the manipulations to make them believable or understandable. This is even more the case when dealing with a mid-range or greater narcissist. These two are more able to manage their facade and they use more subtle tactics. Add that to an empathic person’s natural tendency to believe that everyone has some ‘good’ in them or is worthy of respect and understanding, and you get the narcissist-empath entanglement.
Another thing that occurred to me is that Harry’s emotional thinking is probably even higher now than it would normally be because he is a new father. Having a new first baby would heighten his empathic traits and sense of responsibility. That would make him generally more protective and caring, not just for Archie but for Meghan too. They are a family unit and I don’t think that Harry would even contemplate the thought of undoing that unit at this time. His empathic traits are more pronounced now that Archie is a baby who needs him. As pointed out in the article, this would make his emotionality more accessible and visible.
The whole thing makes me think that nature is not kind or easy. It’s actually quite brutal. Maybe that’s why emotional thinking exists in the first place. To make us believe that princes will find princesses and that they’ll live happily ever after.
HG, I see the devaluation isolation,pity plays,blame shifting ,facade management, threatened loss,flattery.sense of entitlement, no accountability etc. I see it all in the article.
I see it in my life . I dont even talk to my brother. I have a niece and nephew and they dont even know me. All because of the Narcissist.
Meghan is controlling his whole life . These are the consequences when you marry a Narcissist and when you marry the wrong person.
Kate and William may see it but will Harry believe it .
I know what you mean. The more ‘no contact’ and knowledge you have, the more you’re able to see it clearly. That whole ‘control’ aspect is very powerful regarding how it affects the lives of those around the narcissist.
100% it’s all about control!
HG has taught me a lot I am so grateful!
Same with me Pati. Once you know, it all starts to make sense. I’m very grateful to HG as well.
Now its my ET I need to work on since I
understand HG’s logic
Another great article – very comprehensive, informative and educational.
I always learn something new from the Tudorscope articles. I especially liked that Meghan’s very subtle behaviours to manipulate and control Harry were included.
I have recently watched an interview. Harry could not completely hide his emotions. It seemed to me he was sad, which is understandable due to what he is experiencing in his daily life with a narcissist.
By playing the Victim, Meghan is putting a strain not only on Harry but especially on her baby. She does not care about the damage she is doing to her son right now.
According to some psychologists, the first three to four years are the most important ones for a human to build a bond with their parents. They say that if a bond is built, it will help them feel safe in the world and cope with hardships in adulthood.
Like all narcissistic mothers, Meghan will want to make all decisions concerning her child’s upbringing. Not letting Harry take part in his son’s upbringing and isolating the baby from other empathetic people could have serious consequences. Archie could become a narcissist. He will have nobody to turn to and learn empathy from.
As for the “surviving not thriving…” jargon, I am not surprised she is using these words to her own advantage. Since women tend to post “inspirational posts” and different kinds of psychology texts online, female narcissists are acquainted with the psychology jargon. I have read female narcissists’ texts portraying themselves as ‘loving, caring, empathetic mothers/individuals’ and blaming others for having a lack of empathy or for being a narcissist. Since men (and also some women) seem to be totally unaware of it, I think Harry will never be able to notice Meghan’s fake behaviour and stolen character traits.
I feel sorry for William. He has lost a brother he was very close to. Although not exactly the same, it feels similar to going through bereavement.
Harry let Meghan damage his relationship to his brother. I used to think that letting others destroy a healthy, genuine relationship was something that happened to extremely vulnerable people who could think for themselves. It can happen to anyone who is not properly educated on narcissism.
As far as I know, any individual marrying into the Royal Family is exhaustively investigated before the wedding. Yet, Roya Families forget to investigate if those individuals are narcissists or not.
It is high time the British Royal Family consulted with HG Tudor.
Well stated points.
Narcissits obviously like to be with other narcissits so the British Royal Family would have a lot more members with NPD if a test for NPD preceeded each marriage.
Narcissists prefer empaths as explained in Sitting Target. There will be collections of narcissists in certain environments owing to familial narcissism and the fact that unaware narcissists will ensnare one another.
Narcissists do not deliberately choose another narcissist in romantic relationships. Narcissists do not give fuel and residual benefits to others freely, unless they get something in return.
Besides, LNs and MRNs do not know what they are. Harry is not a narcissist and does not seem to know anything about female narcissists – yet.
In my opinion, if the Royals want to avoid troublemakers marrying into their family in the future, a Narc Detector test will be more than helpful.
Good to know that context matters less than contact, or lack thereof, when it comes to the narcissist.
I sure hope at least one person in the Palace reads your work and connects Harry to you.
H&M make for an excellent case study.
The part about M turning on the water works reminds me of this video right here:
At 0:40 she brags about how she can make herself cry as in “OMG I can do that so well it’s amazing, give me three seconds!”.
I wish I could find the clip someone made where they cut back and forth between this and M’s interview, it’s quite amusing.
Good point. You should add the link to the article on that video Desiree.
Oh my she is so vapid. And her voice grates.
Hi Desiree. I finally have planned for the Tissot for a present for myself for my birthday next year, based on your thoughtful advice. I know that I can wear it with that personally confident feeling that I desire. Thank you so much for your recommendation.
I am glad you found my suggestions useful. Always happy to give advice on these topics so long as HG graciously allows us to. Tissot is an excellent choice and I am certain you will look wonderful wearing it!
Wow, Desiree, I think I threw up a little watching that video. I do not follow her or the royals, but this video you provided really highlights her lack of authenticity, her love of striking a pose, her grandiosity and conceit. The fact that she brags about being able to cry on command one tear, in one eye in 3 seconds, was very telling. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing! This video with Meghan Markle Desiree
Toronto is also a beautiful city!
If she really does call Harry – “H” , as she said, is this objectification and devaluing by pet name?
I found this article very informative, clear and educational H.G. Thank you for taking the time to provide it. And thank you again for the whole array of material on the blog. I am taking real steps forward for the first time since being disengaged. I am chinking away at my ET steadily, though still resisting the Narc detector at this point. No excuses other than the self sabotage of ET at this point – some fear, some apprehension, some more denial. It’s possible my intuition is telling me to wait until I know I am ready/ to embrace LT, on the other hand my so called intuition did me no favours when it told me to keep trying with the suspected Narc/not to leave the suspected narc. However, I have not shed a tear or obsessed over inappropriate revenge in thought or action for almost a week now. I can see that this is dong me good.
FYC, .re H as pet name for Prince Harry,that stood out for me too. The fact that she makes it a point that ‘”that is what I call him…”. This smells like the entitled ownership that H.G writes about. It’s so offhand. When she says it it’s as if she’s just flicking her wrist toward the corner of his cage.
Wonder if she has pet names for any others in Harry’s family. Q [not to be confused with 007 character of same name], or perhaps a more formal acronym to pay lip service to The Queen’s status, HRHTQ.
Well observed AnneB and I am pleased you found the article informative and educational.
Hi AnnB, I agree. Most people grow in affinity for the name of the one they love because they attach their feelings to the name (being synonymous to the person). As a N, MM has no such feelings or attachments. Reducing Harry to H is a bit like devaluing him as person to the smallest, insignificant element of the whole.
I doubt MM uses HRHTQ, she more likely would use E with no title. Her narcissism would allow no room for giving another a nod of respect.
I would not be surprised if she is already pregnant again.
I have a suspicions she is. No, it was not me.
I’m thinking that’s why Harry couldn’t hold it together when giving his speech. He was recounting being there the previous year when only he and she knew they were expecting. I suspect this year was a replay
Very interesting, HG. I was wondering about the tears because I sure did not see any from MM – not even a hint. Yet everyone thought she was about to cry. Harry is a dear and I feel very sorry for him.
There is one thing you did not mention, which really struck me, so I am wondering what you think. Every time I’ve seen the baby – in this film or in pictures – Harry seems to be holding and cuddling him. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Megan give Archie more than a peck on the cheek and a bit of a head rub. It strikes me as really, really odd and maybe suggests she has not bonded with the baby. Would that lack of bonding be typical for an N mother?
There is no genuine body owing to a lack of emotional empathy. It often manifests in rarely dealing with the baby and when doing so, holding it in a awkward manner. A bit like how politicians deal with babies when trying to kiss them!
Interesting, HG. I guess I have never seen a narc mother with a baby or never noticed and of course would not remember how my own Matrinarc acted but I imagine some narc mothers are smothering because there is no distinction between themselves and the baby whereas others are distant, as is MM.
SMH: And some babies are just not likeable. Yes. I said it. But, I am in this case taking the take that HG is taking: Like, how politicians approach babies. I often wondered about politicians and babies: HG has just answered my question for me, without me asking. Oh my… another `Mommie Dearest! `
PSE, Now I have to feel sorry for the baby too. Kid is going to have a horrible life.
Me too, hopefully they wont have anymore.
SMH. Or the kid will be a N and carry on the royal tradition
Just like Charles Kim, I hope none of my kids turn out or be Narcs I see some signs and I am watching out for them. I hope I am wrong and they take after me. But my oldest daughter has my husbands personality. I may have to put her through a N detectior consultation too.
Kim e, I was automatically assuming that he was an empath (my ET did that for me, I guess). So yes, possibly, like HG, the kid will have a horrible childhood and then find himself in his narcissism and live happily ever after.
Okay am done, wont read anymore. I guess I dont agree with you HG. I dont know them and I dont read up on this sort of thing but going by your article (as far as I read) she has no ability to not be in the spotlight so shaming her for expressing her displeasure about the nature of that spotlight seems unfair to me. The ‘you have to do it this way’ would drive me bananas as well. I would loathe it. I would die under it. Poor H is protecting the woman he loves and she loves him. From Pt 2 and half way through this mess I see not one scrap of credit toward love. So the fuck what she rubbed her preganat belly, there is a live being in there taht she and H created. So the fuck what that she doesnt want to wear ‘appropriate’ clothing. Wear what you want, aint no bodies business and if they think it is they are kind of creepy.
But she also knew before she married Harry what was expected of her and that she would be compensated with wealth and privilege. I think most people would wear a dress and not argue if it meant they would stay rich. I mean.. that’s not a lot to ask from someone who is being paid just to breathe… she could always quit and get a job… become a social worker instead? A nurse? Construction worker? Police are understaffed? Yyeeaahhh not as appealing is it?
Problem is she is not most people. She is a narc. She loves the money and power but only if she can control it. I do not believe she will disengage from him any time soon but the rest of the royals “catch on” and help him escape, it will be one hell of a divorce
I understand that she is a narc, the person I was responding to doesn’t. A mature person would understand that there are pros and cons to being married to a British prince (as there are pros and cons to everything) but if that is what they chose, they chose it because they clearly believe the pros out way the cons and if they needed to vent (as we all do from time to time) they would vent to their mum and not the media. So clearly the problem is her.
Harry’s mother was a light in the putrefied history of the dank traditions of the royal family and the rancid structure of our society. Championing someone to toe the line is shameful. I feel ashamed of all these haters vindicating this wish to break out of these stupid fucking boundaries that are nonsensical and non life affirming. She fell in love with a prince and he fell in love with her. Fuck tradition that serves no fucking purpose except to allow unconsious demanding masses of barely alive so-called humans to look down there judging noses to uphold a crock of horse shit. No one needs to be fucking compensated with wealth and privilege to have to sell their soul. I think most people follow suit because they are terrified of the backlash. Good on her for thumbing her nose at this garbage. She is not being paid to just breath, how cold are you? Your point of view sucks and I do not care for empty people as you present your self to be. The royals have a lot of chances to do a lot of great things in this mess of a world, as his mother did, as he strives to do and she does as well.
High on emotional substance, devoid of intellectual reason based on evidence. You fail to understand the point of the article. Your position is eminently clear and does not merit further engagement.
Hahaha good one!
Dearest HG: I really like Duchess Markle after reading this. She sounds smart! I could learn a thing or 2 from this young lady. I shall stay tuned. `The Prince and The Narcissista.` I hope Prince Harry is enjoying himself in the manly way. I hear over and over and over and over and over that most Narcissists are talented intimate partners. The best, even. He was basically known to me only as `the Spare` as he was called, and as he is still called? And the Spare was always up to this shenanigan, or up to that shenanigan, reported by the media. Saying he did not understand this, or that he did not understand that, or that he did not understand the other, while often bemoaning the bad impression his actions of `gaiety` caused for the reputation of his privileged royal position. Now, just like that, in a flash, in the blink of the eye, he has more importance, after marrying Ms. Markle. If the triangulations are benefitting Ms. Markle, they are benefitting Harry as well, even if unintentionally. I only knew him as sort of an aimless, a bit whiny, and a somewhat reckless party guy, from the media. With parents and his country making sure he was not killed or kidnapped as he played military man. Hand picking his unit and activities and swiftly moving him about when his real safety was in question. Not like ordinary military chaps, at all . A fact that also was covered by the media. Now, Ms. Markle is bringing him out as a figure of more gravitas. Wow. It is a bit much for me to get used to, to try to think of him as a serious person. Because, I largely picture him dancing on tables, etc., drinking shots and shots of liquor and grabbing stuff like he did for so many many years. With obligatory charity work, of course, sprinkled about. Saving… The Whales? Stopping Global Freezing? or Stopping Global Warming? Gluten Prevention? I do not recall… Harry and Meghan both are getting topped off from this marriage: He is Good Cop and she is Bad Cop, A veritable Mutt and Jeff team, both actors, and they are both Winning in this Play, and may do so for decades to come. A match made in ________.
I think you will find that he was doing plenty of charitable work prior to the arrival of Meghan Markle. And he was happy then.
Dearest HG: I did mean that Harry the Prince made his rounds with certain charities here and there while enjoying his single life in full force, as the Spare. Charity work is often the part of the role and duty for a persona of Noblesse Oblige, in those parts. However, I would not be surprised that he were enjoying the spotlike more, and that he is enjoying being in the spotlight now for more than partying. That he is finally painted the good one. His brother was often painted as the good one and Harry twas painted as the bad one. Although I personally believe that the reverse is actually true. Although Harry does have to undergo an adjustment period of being the good one. A learning curve. Meghan will show him and teach him. He lived under the shadow of his brother as a spare all of his life. And then was often mocked by the media, as well. Smiling Harry may have a latent grudge that is being assuaged now. By having Meghan as his wife and Meghan fighting everyone. This may not be Ms. Markle`s attention, of course, but it may be a result. She may help him to seriously grip up more in his life. And come from out of the shadow of his brother, as the Spare. And, become a number one. Will that be good for Harry? Who knows. Some people are not created to be a number one, but rather they are created to be a number two. Can Harry turn into a number one? It takes hard work and smart work, and constant vigilance to be a number one. How do I know so much about this number one business? Because of you, HG, of course. I remember an intense and striking article that you wrote about being number one. A fabulous article. One of my top 10 HG Tudor articles. So, I am staying tuned. Also, I think Meghan would be exhaustingly silly to give up her current role. It is the role of a lifetime, in this era that I am alive. If she leaves this role, I will think that she is actually dumb, underneath it all.
I think I get what you’re saying.
The Narc I dated helped to give me the confidence to take control and responsibility over my own life. Yes I suffered for a few months being with him, but I also learnt a lot from him and HG of course. Once HG helped me to overcome the narc, my life got much better in a lot of ways.
I know not everyone is so lucky and can end up staying with a narc for years and the narc really destroys their life. But I also think some encounters with narcs can help us to grab the bull by the horns.
Now, I’m in a really great loving relationship. Never felt as loved as I do now! I have also read HG’s book revenge, so of course some pics with my new partner is on social media for the Narc to see 😉
Witch. Forget about the ex narcissist. Love your guy. And remember, if you injure the ex, it isn’t going to stay upon him, because the injury is going to boomerang from him and injure someone else in his sphere, more likely than not. And the ricocheting injury to the known or unknown person is then on your `rap` sheet as well as his. Because you have escaped. Let him go. And, on Narcsite, we know this. We too have to realize and be made mindful that we are part of all this, willingly or not. As the wise proverbs say, to whom much knowledge is given, much is required. We are getting the knowledge. We have to let the revenge go, if we have the tendency to seek revenge for whatever reason. The cycle has to stop person by person, unless it is revenge or vengeance or justice, whatever one calls it, done the right way, and HG knows how to do that if someone feels that it is the right possibility, on a case by case basis, via private consultation. But I hear HG constantly telling his readers to, largely, go no contact, and HG says that very very few people can correctly exact justice without suffering a resulting negative backlash or blowback against themselves, one way or another. at some point. I believe him. He knows.
I went no contact a long time ago. And I didn’t deliberately seek revenge but I did feel significant satisfaction after reading “revenge” that the narc would be hurt from seeing my happy posts on social media, because of course he will be watching.
My main motivation for going no contact was the fact that it would hurt him. I do have narcissistic qualities.
I have let him go as much as I possibly can. But I do still wish him to suffer knowing that he is out there hurting others. And it doesn’t really matter what I do personally because he will still be out there hurting others until he dies. I can’t forget that. So I wish him death though i wouldn’t be the cause. I know I’m not the perfect “empath.” And tbh I wouldn’t want to be. It took me a long time to grow some balls and now I love to swing them about a bit.
Dear Mr Tudor,
Poor H 😢
(The Weasel assigned me a “letter” of the alphabet)
Your updates are like the next enticing, exciting n enthralling season on Netflix ….. but so much better… haha
Such interesting comments and observations from all the astute and clever lovelies here
My mother commented yesterday “I’ve never liked MM, but now I feel sorry for her “…😱what ? A narc feeling sorry for another narc ? The mind never ceases to boggle sometimes..haha
I tend to agree with Renarde … she preggers (a narc always has something up their sleeve at all times, in this case her dress … haha)
Poor H 😢would not be happy living in the US/Canada
The Royal family would not allow her to take the “little Royal 👶 ” away …… look at Fergie ….I’m almost certain there would be a clause in the Royal contract
Poor H .😢…he’s being reduced to a blubbering mess, he’s half the man he was before ….sadly what narcs do to empaths
I feel MM is securing her “sympathy card” for the long haul
I expect to see more of the same drama from MM…..Poor H😢
Meanwhile, William n Kate 🤴👸🏼 are standing regal n tall and perfect in every way whilst having to painstakingly watch Poor H’s 😢demise
Time will tell, I only hope Poor H 😢can handle it
Thank you for your thorough n comprehensive update Mr Tudor, your continued hard work n tireless efforts reflect on your meticulous attention to detail, most outstanding !
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
What a magnificant overview Mr Tudor….. thank you 😊
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
I was hoping they would make it together; but now I know……
Well done HG. Hope the Duke gets a copy soon. ET or not he should have a clue as to what he is up against.
How can anyone really buy into this bullshit about her not really understanding the level of press attention on the royal family or what it would be like or that it would be fair !! She has courted fame her whole life and what she means is I want lots of fame and attention but it must all be nice.
She probably didn’t have bad press as such in American because people barely knew who she was, she was a minor mediocre actress that nobody cared less about. She’s never seen magazines and newspapers or TV channels in America talking gossip and scandal about stars !!!! OMG ………. It’s always fair ???
She had no issue with press intrusion when she first came on the scene with Harry or when it was all positive !!
The engagement interview was so cringe , it really was an actress being interviewed, when she said she knew nothing about Harry before she met him and asked a friend that was introducing her to him
“Is he Kind, or there would be no point meeting him” WTF…
who says that shit.
At the time I thought , she’s so fake and so full of herself , and I didn’t warm to her at all , it did not occur to me narcissist until I read it here.
And this tour that they’ve done that’s supposed to be raising awareness !! The only thing it’s raised is there personal problems , so inappropriate. Can you imagine the Queen doing a tour and talking about the press or emotional strains , she gets on with the job that the tax payers fund and so do William and Kate . Maybe it’s time to get rid of them , let Harry and Meghan go and get a job in Tescos and put their names on the list for a council flat and live on minimum wage. People may just get sick of this moaning , best thing the press could do is never photograph or write about her again ever in her whole life . The media need to go no contact with Meghan , then what would she do.
Ignoring narcissists is the worst possible thing you can do , she doesn’t want the media to go away she wants to control her image in the media. I wish they would ignore her.
HG’s post “Tell Me What I Want to Hear” describes her exactly. She knew all about the RF, Diana, and Harry YEARS before she ever met Harry.
Absolutely! It’s the exact same thing with trump- the media is so mean to him. Poor guy. 🤣😂😆🤮
This is my first time on your site. This article is good reading to me. It helps me understand Harry’s situation better. My main thought was “Poor Harry”!
Welcome Bridey, keep reading here there is much to learn.
Can’t stop thinking about it. Its been not even 2 years since they got married and Harry looks like emotional wreck already. I think he is deep in devaluation.
She uses all that “media” BS to devalue him. As an excuse why she isnt as happy as in the beginning. Maybe she even suggested she will leave if he dosnt do anything about it (cut off W and K, start the war with tabloids, move abroad). And now he does all those things to save his marriage and bring the golden period back. Of course it is all manipulation- narcissist causes all those problems and wants Harry to feel guilty ans fix that. And he will fail.
I also think she uses Diana case in this situation to tauma bond Harry and prevent the escape “you want to leave me? Its like it you wanted to leave your beloved mother while she was struggling with same media attacks!” She precisely plays on his childhood traumas.
I agree with you. Taking advantage of Harry’s painful memories and what happened to his mother to manipulate him and also to prevent him from leaving her in the future shows how deceitful and insensitive she is.
So was reading an article on Sparkles attending an event. No Harry and shed removed her eternity ring.
But it was her dress that caught my eye. It’s wrong. Mid lower leg. Dowdy. Purple (!). Hmm, is she pregnant? I think she is. I decided to write on here my suspicion but before I did that, a linked article caught my eye.
“Megan recycles £107 purple pregnancy dress!”
Shes preggers. Quick work but she needed to seal the deal. Poor Harry. She could be 16 weeks but I’d put it between 12 and 14. April Baby.
I just read about that event and saw the pics. MM does look like a ambulating aubergine. But I wouldn’t know if she’s pregnant–I thought maybe she was still carrying some old pregnancy weight.
Regarding the missing eternity ring, I wonder if she is signaling Threatened Loss to Harry.
Finally, the One Young World event looks creepily cult-like, and MM looks like she’s trying to be Oprah.
You have a keen eye for detail! Just thinking.. what if she is wearing that dress on purpose to keep the gossip newspapers busy with her? Perhaps both?
EB. Ahem. The thought had occured to me that she was ‘running a McGuffin’ to quote Hitchcock.
That equally would not surprise me. And especially as it was picked up in The Fail.
No, that wouldn’t surprise me at all.
I think, just based on Contagion, that she senses that all is not good and that she probably IS preggers or SOMEONE ELSE IS. I think shes probably worked quite hard at that.
But TBH, there were big Qs over her first pregnancy, was a surrogate involved for example. Others noticed this, not me at first. Its also probable considering connections both parties would’ve had to those spheres.
Any way you paint it, there is an unusual manipulation going on here. One that is not afforded to people who do not have the money to fake a pregnancy. Or cover it up.
Thank you on compliment! I do try to consider a response before I post. It was interesting that a commentator also said, shes pregnant. I didnt read that until after I had formed my theory.
That commentator was shot down. Surely she would shout it from the rooftops?
Well yes, I’d agree except a monumental row probably occured between her and Harry. Probably over the choice of dress which might have led to Harry not being at that event and the removal of the eternity ring. Given by Harry to her on the birth of their Son. Now THAT would sting deeply an Empath.
It’s just speculation on my part of course. Could be wrong!
“Running a McGuffin” -I love that expression 🙂
Have you seen Hitchcock’s Rebecca (1940)? I had read the book a long time ago but this year I found the film on YouTube and saw it for the first time. I enjoyed it very much.
I think everything is possible, that she is pregnant again. In my previous comment, my thoughts were more on her dress and her provocative behaviour to get fuel: she has been breaking the royal protocol repeatedly. This is why I thought that perhaps she is using that dress deliberately to provoke more reactions. She lacks the intelligence of a Greater and seems to be starving for fuel. She is feeding the media with her ongoing victim stance [sad violins playing in the background].
I hadn’t heard about a surrogate being involved in her first pregnancy. Poor Harry if this is also true.
He is putting up with her control, her provocative behaviour in public and her Pity Plays. She must be driving him mad. My mother-in-law was like her. Everyone who had been in contact with her on a regular basis became ill.
Glad you like my expression. The dress is problematic for these reasons
1 – Its purple. Proper royal purple. Sumptery laws in Tudor times (and perhaps others), specifically forbid certain classes, really tiers in the aristocracy, from wearing purple, gold and silver. These colours were reserved for those closest to the throne thereby indicating royalty. Purple is a VERY tricky colour. Sparkles is not Royal, nor is she even that close to the throne. So, grandiosity.
2 – Its a pregnancy dress. Recycled. But you know as well as I do that if you are in a position of profile and pregnant, you make damn sure that the front hem and the rear hem are bob on. This means that front part is cut lower and more circular to accommodate the bump.
Wearing a recycled dress makes her look as if shes nodding to environmental issues, a virtual signal, it’s actually creating the excuse of ‘plausible deniability’ in case shes questioned. The Cambridges are with child. But in case that doesnt work out and timings need to be questioned, then it also fits that too. Does that make sense or have I gone too Machievellian?
Has a surrogate been involved though? Possibly. I say this because it would strike a very deep and profound blow to not only the brothers relationship (worry about how the public would perceive it) and actually to Harry who has been the brunt of jokes about his fatherhood.
Now factor in HGs comment that H may be sleeping in the spare room and it all starts to become very very frightening for Harry.
There have been reports through various MSM outlets that his mental health is poor. Well, it would be. Fued with bro, wife devaluing him in myriad ways (jewellery issue here is key), Queen will not be amused.
That would be ginormous pressure on even the more experienced royal. Now factor in the fact that the woman he loves is not standing by him by virtue of the fact she isnt toeing the party line, even though hes misguidedly supporting her then also ask what going on in private.
We know what’s going on. We can certainly imagine it.
There is a way out of this. But it will require Harry to go to the Queen, admit hes made a mistake then dump the whole thing in their laps and they will move on it.
To do that he has to admit to himself
1 -She doesnt love him
2 – It was all about the Prime Aims
3 -Aknowkedge he made a mistake (privately)
These are such big things and hes nowhere near weaponisation yet that I perceive.
Archie will always have to some the thought that he isnt actually of the bloodline. As our monarchy is based on primogeniture and heredity, that’s a problem. Granted not as big a one as Wills and Kate but still. It’s a distraction.
Oh I love Rebecca. Read the the three books and seen the film plus various tv series. De Mouriers book Rebecca is a brilliant melodrama.
Maybe you are right? Maybe in some rows she has taunted him? Who knows? It’s an interesting point though. Female middles can be vicious, spiteful cows once their inner fury is released. Nasty. I once heard a story related to me by a female MRN on what she said once to her husband in the middle of a row. It wasnt deserved and he had the strength of character to tell her. What she had said was ENTIRELY unrelated to the argument.
In another convo, she ‘Allowed’ him to perform a sex act on her, CONSENSUAL!!! Because he had ‘pleased her’. The christening at the local church had gone well and she was ‘rewarding him’.
I see great many parallels between Sparkles and my ex chum. Both extremely well presented. Possessed of the riotous grin. Was an ok dancer but nowhere near my league (swank)
Sparkles will be the same. Both having a ok to good sensing of CE but equally not seeing the missteps of ‘Banana-Gate’ or ‘The Church Incident’.
Thank you for clarification, observations and details. Most of them are new to me.
If Harry is suffering from burn out, stress and anxiety, the manipulations must have steadily increased by now. It is exhausting to live with a MRN like her.
As you said, female MRN can be vicious. Once I was having dinner with old school friends of mine – women only. One of them, a MRN, told us about her wedding day, among other things about her husband. I felt uncomfortable listening to those stories. She liked to be the centre of attention. She said, she and her husband went home later at night after their wedding party and had a squabble. Something silly and trivial. She said she had not allow him to sleep in their bed. She told him to go and sleep on the sofa in the sitting room. She treated him as if he were her child – all this on their wedding day. She laughed at it and thought it was funny. He has been in devaluation since then. He is not a narcissist.
You just called me Bernard! You Swine! 🤣🤣🤣
Ah man! That story about the wedding day made me sad. That’s just fucking cruel. Poor dude. She needs to be ripped a new one. Probably.
Your wedding day post and my christening post are frighteningly similar. How certain MMRN’s, females, operate in very similiar ways. But we knew this of course. It’s still good from my persepctive to hear that ‘fed back’.
Intresting you should mention ‘burnout’. Yeah, it’s got to be close, isn’t it? Again, poor guy. Does not deserve this. Not on top of what he has already endured.
Don’t think for one moment he wouldn’t have been, not just teased but probably bullied by his peers for his red hair. And while we are at it, other boys saying how much they would have liked to have fucked his mum. Dark but true, I feel.
As to the level of Sparkles wrt the Middles. You know, she just ain’t that great. She is teetering for me on the precipe of being a MM but that’s about it. Literally clinging on with her ever so perfect nails.
And still today, she devalues Harry in public. Saying that on todays’ ‘gender inclusivity’ gig, that it was right for him to ‘crash trhe party’.
How rude! Moreover, when you look at the picture of both of them together, seated behind a desk, Sparkles shoulders and frame are tight. Hitched up. Just like my ‘frenemy’. She would do that alot. She knew how to rustle up the rictus grin. Sparkles knows how to pose. Head up, shoulders back and up.
Contrast this to Harry’s stance. he looks calmly at the camera but his shoulders are relaxed. Not down. There is still some tension there but he’s used to it. The spotlight.
And do I see a very slight baby bump in that abhorrehent confection of an outfit she was wearing today? I think she must sometimes get dressed in the dark.
I feel for Harry and hope he can summon it up. It can only come from him now.
So sorry for using the wrong name! This is so embarassing! I am still hiding under the table! Hahaha
Harry suffering from burnout was mentioned in an online article. Being on devaluation can be exhausting, no matter if the manipulations are covert or subtle.
“… shoulders and frame are tight. Hitched up. Just like my ‘frenemy’. She would do that alot. She knew how to rustle up the rictus grin. Sparkles knows how to pose. Head up, shoulders back and up. …Eyes dead.”
Exactly, good that you noticed it. Their posture is so unnatural, even though they appear to be *in control*. I would get neck pain from walking around like that all day long.
Yes, contrast to Harry and also to Kate. I can see how different Kate is from Meghan. I wish more people could notice it and see how fake female MRNs can be.
No worries. I’ve been giggling about your name fail for a couple of days.
I can just imagine it now…
‘There’s a ruck on NS!’
‘Oh, who is it this time? ‘
‘It’s Bernie again’.
When I was unaware, I would never have seen it in a million years, the Sparkles saga I mean. That’s the battle we face. It is a battle. No scratch that: we are at war.
Narcs who continually use and abuse us for their ‘fuel’.
I talked to a woman the other day. She has PTSD. She cannot get over the fact that her dad’s best friend took her out in the woods one day and at knife-point, anally raped her. Thirteen. He’s dead now. The rapist.
How do we counsel people who have suffered so much distress? Because, where I am right now, the contributors of NS need to spread this word.
I know we are doing it. The Angel Fund is helping. Of course we need to safeguard out own emotional welfare.. That’s a given.
H’s case is interesting. He’s in an extremely interesting place from an intellectual POV.
Emotionally, I just want to give him a big hug. And advice.
BTW: HG called it the other day on them both going to California. It came up in the news.today.
Very, very good. Incredibly enlightening about her, her relationship with Harry which Is helpfully set out so that we can apply each type of N behaviour to our own lives and relationships. Thanks HG.
Oh that we could read Chelsy Davy’s thoughts on all of this.
So how does/will the Royal N get away with the normal devaluation stuff with all the security that I would imagine surrounds them daily? Such as entertaining IPSS’s and DLS’s?
The security is there to protect, not to judge.
I have a good working knowledge of what’s called DV. Developed Vetting. There are two tiers. I know about the enhanced version.
Simply put, at that level, it’s all about how blackmailable you are. They DO NOT judge you on what crimes you have committed. They just want to know what you did. Or conversely if say for example you are gay, that you come out in that interview. DV Enhanced is used for Top Secret dealings.
And even in that arrangement there are code words. Just because you have enhanced DV, does not mean you are eligible to know everything on that level. Its need to know.
HG, brilliant insights as always, but even more illuminating as you suss out the motivations behind each action. My heart goes out to “H”–even his ‘pet’ name is a devaluation. It reminds me of your post (https://narcsite.com/2017/08/09/pet-5/comment-page-1/). I wonder if she uses ‘H’ for Husband (possession) or for Harry? Probably synonymous in her mind anyway.
I can only hope Archie gets a great deal of interaction at this critical stage with an empath, Harry or otherwise, or he may cope by seeking control himself. It is painful for everyone involved to have a blind N in the family. They genuinely believe they are perfect and others are to blame for everything, always. (Did you notice she applied the MRN favored word “should”?)
MM’s comment that America does not have aggressive media is laughable. We certainly do. Perhaps not to the exact same degree, but very close. Perhaps MM hopes to find US media more favorable and compliant to her need for positive fuel to thrive?
The Tudor Scope is one of your most insightful offerings because we can compare what we observe naturally to what you see from your knowledgeable lens. Thank you for continuing to provide these valuable insights, HG.
Thank you FYC and you are welcome.
Excellent analysis, HG. I was wondering when Harry might begin to feel the devaluation. The poor guy–he is such a softie! Those were real tears, not Hollywood ‘pity me’ type. Honestly, I never knew much about him, but I do recall some controversy when he was a teenager and he dressed as a Nazi for one Halloween, or had a swastika on him, and I knew he was a party boy, but his empathy is evident. I think the costume is an example of a lapse in judgement and shows that empaths are not infallible, (this would have been after his mother’s death so likely he was depressed and rebelling–who knows) and I’m sure sure he felt badly afterwards. But when we offered himself up to service, I admired him for that.
I think they will divorce once she gets what she wants, but it will likely be attributed to ‘culture differences’ and ‘Americans not being used to the Royal Press,’ etc. She is definitely pulling him away and Harry, wanting to respect her wishes is feeling pressure from both sides. That is very telling re: William. Harry is feeling tremendous pressure and is likely very unhappy right now, but doesn’t know why that is.
Thank you, Bibi.
OMG gear article HG. It’s a good read for all the ex victims who are jealous of current narcissist’s partner – even the prince will be devalued very soon. But of course I hope Harry will see through her manipulations and escape. Poor boy!
Thank you so much for giving your insight with this series as the continuing events unfold. I find it extremely fascinating. I was reading a few articles online this morning about the interview and many questions were in my mind. I’m so glad I came on here to find that you answered all of them!
When reading your article, you mentioned that “H” (I find that very interesting that she calls him that) is now in the devaluation stage and doesn’t realize it. I know it’s hard to predicted but in general what do you see happening from here? Do you think Harry will ever realize what’s going on? Do you think he would ever fully turn his back on his family and it’s establishment? Curious of your thoughts.
Thank you Susan.
1. She will salami slice towards a move to the US to further isolate Harry.
2. No he will not, until such time as he consults with me.
If he is in devaluation does this mean she will have an IPSS in place?
No, not necessarily just yet, but it means that one might appear because devaluation has commenced.
This is heartbreaking. Please consult with him. Can we do something through the Angel assistance?
With regard to #2, that would seriously rock if Harry would PayPal you in the very near future.
I imagine that your No Contact advice to Harry might differ slightly than the advice you tend to give us non-Royals. Is that incorrect?
Do you think that MM is any more or any less challenging than the narcs that your readers deal with? In other words, do you know just what to do to take on MM via Harry?
No, the would be given the correct advice, as anybody is when they consult with me, Lisk.
She is no more challenging than most narcissists my readers deal with. I would readily be able to assist Harry.
Good to know that context matters less than contact, or lack thereof, when it comes to the narcissist.
I sure hope at least one person in the Palace reads your work and connects Harry to you.
This current bunch of “Royals” seem utterly worthless! What do ANY of them do for anyone BUT themselves?!! What a waste of the people’s money in the United Kingdom!
These “men” could NOT lead anyone into a battle! And if they did, it would be an OVERWHELMING defeat. I would like to see these weak-ass fools take up a weapon and get into a hand-to-hand BRAWL. That would be very entertaining!!! Let’s get a line up of fights to see!!
They would SURELY lead a losing and embarrassing military campaign. (Thought fuel..)
They are all WEAK and led around by their slut women (IMO).
F.Y.I. the current occupant of The White House is a fool in my opinion, too, but at least his wife is beautiful and ladylike, so we win!
These people hold a lot of wealth. The last I heard, Queen Elizabeth owns around 25 percent of the heritage properties over there. That is a breathtaking holding. A real landLord, she is. The Jewels of the Crown, accumulated, are beyond price. Also, the family bring a lot of tourists. They are an Industry. And sanction a standard of products in commodities and commerce. It is like watching Disneyland and Las Vegas, and the famous museums, and the real estate series Property Kings, and Real Housewives, and a tiny bit of Game of Thrones, and living history, etc. all rolled into one. And since Great Britain only recently lost the Super Power status to the United States, the Monarchy is still a moment of pride that is also a balm for many of its ruling class for losing the United States of America. If it were to go, one would have to find an economic replacement though, of course. I live in the United States, but I am sure that many businessmen and economists in Britain could list the most relevant benefits of having that largely symbolic, but still powerful monarchy. However, although I like peeking at it from time to time, I prefer the United States. And, I never discuss Britain and its system. It is ONLY here on HG Tudor`s site, that I feel safe enough to vent my spleen on such topics. I am not by nature a politically correct person. So, I often have to be `prosocial` to survive. So, I pick my battles and topics carefully, except on here.
I love these articles HG. Thank you for writing them. a few things:
When she says ” her British friends told her the tabloids will destroy your life”…. that just sounds made up. Assimilating herself to Princess Di. The nerve…
Did any of Harry’s friends warn him against her? Or I suppose she had everyone so snowed with her lovebombing. She was “just too good to be true”. I bet all that acrobatic narc sex has come to an end too. Poor Harry.
Also, “In America we don’t that have that there”… What is she talking about? Tabloids? News? Of course we do. Look at the non stop coverage of those narc moms who cheated their kids into college? And countless other stories that go on and on….Megan’s completely full of shit.
I hope he puts his foot down, or the Queen does it for him and makes him stay in the UK. It’ll be good for Megan to get away on her own, cuz it’ll provide the opportunity to cheat. That of course will get out to the public, then Harry could feel like he has solid grounds for divorce.
Have a great day!
Thank you and you are welcome.
Excellent HG! I would love to know what Megan is so upset about. I guess anything that makes her façade not look good Will trigger fury.
Well we all saw this coming. He should’ve never married her. It’s a total disgrace. I agree that it’s likely Megan will be running back to the United States- where she can get a cocoon of support and she’ll Eventually divorce him and write a book about life inside the royal family and take up with a country music star.
Someone will have to ghostwrite it for her. Her own prose is refrigerator-magnet-affirmation word salad.
I think MMi is also, unconsciously, setting up a public record through her word salady interviews that will assist her facade management when she decides to discard./disengage from poor Harry. Some of those comments could be interpreted as subtly suggesting/foreshadowing where she will place the blame for the future disengagement/discard. Thus, something along the lines of ‘irreconciable differences” between British and American, perhaps coupled with ‘I tried to tell Harry right from the beginning but he didn’t get it’ vis vis survive and thrive. Perhaps he is already setting things up with the,unconscious aim,of avoiding future accountability.
I wonder if a shiny, fuel-pumping IPSS will soon enter the picture since Harry is in devaluation..
Even a Prince isn’t “good” enough to avoid the devaluation of the Narcissistic dynamic. If a Prince can’t satisfy, none of us should feel bad about our failure to deliver.
Exactly! Great point MB!
And Referring to him as “H” – seriously???
Points to a total lack of emotional intelligence like jeezus-it’s not cute it’s not funny it really doesn’t make sense in the context of the interview-
Nothing is ever enough
Excellent point, MB! 🎯
Her comment about the tabloids is a bare-faced lie. I’ve seen U.S. headlines like “Princess Eugenie gives birth to space alien: photos inside!” or “Momager says: I turned my daughter into a teenage sexpot.” I don’t know how many times Jennifer Aniston has been pregnant or Brad has returned to her
Those tabloids are great. I love the space alien hybrid. I think they had one with Hillary. Hillary space-alien hybrid! Will run for office someday! Photos inside!
My fave was from Weekly World News back in the ’80s that said, ‘Rich sicko uses midget as hood ornament.’
It even had a B&W photo. Grocery store lines can be very educational.
We need the MIB!
CNN just chatted with a British journalist who put Harry’s interview off as he was just tired from their trip with their young child, and that he was saying it’s normal for siblings to have close days and distant days. She suggested it away as sensational press spreading rumors first about a rift between Meghan and Kate, and now between Harry and William. Princess Diana showed many signs of strain and rebellion too, but we didn’t know about narcissism then which I’m sure she experienced from Prince Charles. Do you think he will ever be the king?
This looks juicy. Can’t wait to read it!
An excellent and poignant article, HG.
He thought he was marrying the woman of his dreams and instead he got a bitch from hell. She is truly vile. And very damaging not just to him but to The Firm.
THAT is his saving grace.
Your right HG, he is in devaluation. Hes been embedded twice and in very quick succession. Marriage then child. Hes hooked. He has also gone through the empathic trait of understanding what it truly means to be a parent. It’s a kind of initiation. Life is never the same.
Further down the line that poor child will be used as a lever against him. Maybe hes glanced it now? I suspect hes heavily in denial.
Right now, he needs his brother and SIL. Both I believe would help him. His father is as much use as a chocolate poker. Grandfather is a racist cunt. Queen? Well shes in a tight spot rather?
I wish I could sit him down and give him a firm but fair empathic talking too. Hes far better off breaking it off now. He doesnt need it and especially after the utter trauma surrounding the death of his mother.
“His father is as much use as a chocolate poker.”
Hahaha. That was funny.
As she pulls him away more, he will become very lonely and depressed, as he misses his family. As the son ages, she will use him to triangulate and guilt Harry.
She will continue to feign upsets. This offends her, that does, etc. This person is bad, that person is bad. He will try to accommodate her as much as possible, all the while ignoring his own feelings and needs.
Then she’ll divorce him b/c he is not exciting enough for her. She will live in CA and marry some Hollywood type and get her own reality show. She’ll retain custody of the kid, allowing Harry only limited visits, etc. He won’t know what to do. Live in the US to be near his son or be away from him, yet at home in the UK.
Or they might have another kid before all this happens. These are just some predictions. Either way, he is not a happy man right now. And he likely feels guilt over that, too. ‘Look at me, I have so much and yet why am I unhappy?’
Because he is married to a ball-busting, domineering shrew.
I just hope she doesn’t drive him to suicide.
That is chilling. It’s entirely possible if he has PTSD as Madame Bubbles has said.
Let’s hope the Hollywood types take warning. She wasn’t well-known enough before to scare off prospects, but now many of her “friends” (i.e., the Clooneys) are distancing themselves.
If she burns through the settlement fast enough, she might end up yachting for Dubai millionaires. Poor Lindsay Lohan has been reduced to that, and she had a hell of a lot more talent than Megs ever did.
WOW! This is so good. I couldn’t possibly care less about the Royal Family but now I’ll be watching when this airs tomorrow in the US, applying all of your translations as it unfolds. You have broken this whole dynamic down with surgical precision. Crystal clear. Textbook case. Poor Harry. Wonder what the Queen thinks and how she would intend to address it? 🤔
I will embark on sharing this out as far as I am able 👊🏼
Thank you for doing so.
Good thing she’s getting those attacks against the press in now before they start publishing about the inevitable affairs!
I predict that she is a manoeuvring an escape to California and will claims it is being done for the good of her son (and a slight nod to Harry´s welfare) as a consequence of media hostility in the UK.
HG, I wish there was some way to get your works to Harry, but I fear even if we could, Harry’s emotional thinking will control his actions for the foreseeable future.
I think so too HG. The seeds are being sown. Things have moved pretty quickly so far, do you think the escape will happen soon, maybe even next year sometime ?
Salami sliced extended periods abroad
HG, you’re right once again.
According to Harper’s BAZAAR, MM, Harry and little Archie will be spending Thanksgiving in America. The length of the trip is “still to be determined”.
Indeed. Who wants this weekend’s lottery numbers?
Pardon if I’ve missed it, but is MM an UMR?
Thanks for this article, a spectacular read. I am interested in how this specific devaluation is playing out and devaluations in general. Do you plan to write about this further, or apologies if you have but I have not come across articles that detail devaluation yet, may you please share? Many thanks!
Thank you. Just search for devaluation in the menu bar or read Manipulated, Sex and the Narcissist, The Devil´s Toolkit.
Great read HG. So helpful to be provided the translation between what is being said and the narcissism so that we can see it in action. It will be quite a day when he finally sees that she is not like his mother but instead using her memory. Makes me wonder what the future holds for little Archie re: seed and soil.
Good point. Much will turn on how involved Harry, William and Kate are.
It’s so sad to see how Harry has changed. He didn’t care about press attention Before he was married. She is whipping up a storm in a tea cup and aligning herself with Diana when in fact there are so many more rules for the press these days and we all wish Harry well and he is inside the Family not married into the Family. She’s using him. Shameful.
Great analysis HG and so obvious once it is drawn to your attention.
I could see those tears weren’t real but couldn’t work out why. I could see Harry had changed and was suddenly in her shadow and unhappy. Why does he have to have such a fight with the British. He didn’t have a problem when he was in the military. So strange.
Good article HG. Nice and shareable. Wouldn’t you just relish a consultation with Harry. Can you imagine?!?
Thank you MB.
She was so fake during that interview, and she kept looking at the interviewer trying to charm him into believing her. When she said “H – that’s what I call him “ -she chuckled at how cute she is for having that nickname for him. I couldn’t see the journalist, but I had a feeling he wasn’t buying what she was selling.
It’s awful that she’s using his mother for her own manipulations. I wonder if she’s trying to put herself on a pedestal on the same level as Diana, equating their paparazzi experiences.
Narcissism has hit the fan in the world today with buffoonery running amok. There’s no excuse for someone not reaching out to Harry, though we all know he’s under her spell and can’t see straight. I’m sure they will end up living in the US on her turf where she probably won’t mind the paparazzi and will expect more favorable press and support.
I believe Harry is trying to be a good husband and father in his very new roles, but will come to his senses and back to his old self, which is a risk-taking fearless guy, not a whipped puppy being separated from his brother.
What got me was when she said her friend told her not to marry him.. I thought that was a very hurtful thing to make public for Harry. Personally wouldn’t make that known to my partner if I was still with them.
I just find to laughable when rich people whine to the media like this… if her and Harry are feeling a little depressed they can take their private jet to Barbados and lay on the beach for 3 months… damn life sucks so hard for them!
Also…complaining about the press while pouring your heart out to the press… right… now everyone is psychoanalysing you, well done
They whine because it is a Pity Play designed to assert control. Being able to fly to a beach somewhere is irrelevant.
I know why it’s done..
I just don’t understand why regular people fall for it knowing that they are rich and can have pretty much anything they want
Shared! Time to piss some people off. It’s amazing how the facade works on the public. MJ, R Kelly, MM all are viciously defended. Victims are harshly abused by the army of followers who are fans of their music, her show……??? disconnect.
Watching Finding Neverland and Surviving R Kelly this year were horrifying experiences. They weren’t hiding. They were laughing at us and using the love of the public easily to abuse(entitlement). No one went against except the victims who had to face fully and probably for the first time what actually happened… This will not happen with MM. They will get rid of her. Terribly bad karma to target an empath who lost his mother and trigger his deepest wounds. A good lesson for Harry.
Prince Andrew? Orgies with young girls? Bueller?
Not you HG. Was referring to the lack of media coverage on both sides of the pond.
I am absolutely astounded and disgusted by the legions of “stans” these types have defending them 🙄
Very interesting HG, can you explain what you mean by Harry now being in devaluation period, in what way are you picking this up ? Do you mean that she will be displaying dissatisfaction with everything and upset , therefore causing him to walk on egg shells around her or feeling like it’s his fault she’s suffering at the hands of the media because of who he is ? Or she’s actually threatening him with leaving the marriage ? On another subject did you see that woman speak in parliament about abusive partners , how to spot controlling behaviours ? Pity she didn’t call it out as narcissists and pyscopaths ?
You only have to look at Harry to know he is in devaluation.
The thrill is gone 😐
God I know they feeling. She’s bored already.
God, not even royalty is safe. Do you think the queen is aware of MM’s NPD?
No, but she knows something is not right.
She knows the woman is nuts, even if she doesn’t know where she fits in the DSM. The Queen has met many Americans, even H’wood types. She knows we don’t all carry on like that.
That brought a tear. He looks like he’s in pain. While she smirks. It’s all in the picture.
“You only have to look at Harry to know he is in devaluation..”
Indeed. He looks sad and confused. And lonely.
I wonder what her first husband is thinking of all this since he was just dumped . I think the words
“The shutters just came down after being so much in love and a world wind romance ”
Were used by a friend to describe the relationship !!
The unfortunate problem is that Harry holds the press some what responsible for his mothers death , despite Diana being very manipulative of the press when it suited her for many years. The thought that the press are now harming is wife and maybe his son in the future is the perfect trigger for Meghan to pull.
A kind of future faking – what might happen to his family in the future with the press
He was cute in a bad boy way when he was in the military. He’s glued to that rumpled grey suit and those tired brown shoes, he doesn’t get what remains of his hair trimmed (his very bald brother at least doesn’t walk around with a fringed Monk’s tonsure), and I suspect genetic hair loss has been accelerated by stress.
Even his posture–slouching, defeated. Having MM coax him to the microphone. This guy was in the army, he knows how to stand and speak publicly!
Watch his videos from Cyprus on YT. Not PC, uses an ethnic slut about a comrade (which the comrade probably didn’t give a toss about–military personnel are pretty crude), coolly answers a very personal question about his complexion (told ya–they’re crude). Posture is relax d but athletic. Obviously well-liked by the others; they don’t joke around like that when they hate you.
It’s like a different person now. She has destroyed his self-confidence and his trust in anyone but her. She has convinced him that SHE is the only one he can trust, and the rest are all enemies, plotting to separate them. He will do everything he can to keep her, even renouncing all his royal privilege and moving to Hollywood.
And then she’ll dump him anyway.
Just as HG has described in numerous posts.
She won’t be stopped by the loss of royal privilege, because she’s not high functioning enough to see that being royal is about as high as you can go, and H’wood would be a come-down. She’d rather be on “Real Housewives” and merch designer crap as a web “Influencer.”
This woman is nowhere near as self-aware as Wallis, who knew if she dumped Dave after he’d abdicated for her, everybody would hate her guts. MM will expect to be loved in America.
She might be surprised….
You have trained me well.
Indeed, my young padawan.
Come to think of it, oh Great Jedi Master, didn’t you say brown shoes are considered tatty outside of the country?
He wore them to the Christening.
No brown in town.
And then when she dumps him he will likely blame himself. Poor soul. You made a good claim.
HG, I mentioned your article about MM to some coworkers and explained your claims and my one coworker said MM sounded like his sister in law and Harry his brother.
You are bringing enlightenment to others, HG approves.
I do hope she is suprised Violetta. I truly do. Harry is a wonderfully kind person and I pray that their son is not an N and that she can’t turn him against Harry.
Outside Hollywood, nobody’s terribly interested, unless they are the kind of Cadillac liberals who go for that kind of thing. If they are interested in the monarchy, they won’t take her side. Even the ones who initially thought she was “a breath of fresh air” have figured out that she’s more like air freshener: it just covers the musty smell of St. George’s chapel, but doesn’t remove it and actually smells worse.
Interestingly, people of color aren’t uniformly impressed. Lipstick Alley’s “Unpopular Opinions” thread called her on a number of issues: changing her identification on her acting resume, dating only white men, befriending only white students in both high school and college. She is “of color” only when it suits her purpose.
In the U.K., there’s a woman named Shameka Blake who both posts and does YT videos. NSFW: she has quite the vocabulary, but her comments on MM’s condescending attitude are both hilarious and mercilessly accurate. Meghan’s Minions must have considered her a threat, because they jammed both her page and her vids, but she got them back up and running. (She doesn’t use RP, so you might have to listen more than once to get the gist of it.)
That’s reassuring to read Violetta – thank you. I guess the other thing which goes in Harry’s favour is that the entire world adores him. Most of us have to cope with a smear campaign on top of everything else. But he will have a vast number of supporters.
I love the air freshener analogy!
Because of the odd education system in the United States, and the many social experiments that goes on here in teachings about gender and race,etc. And notions that such facts about gender and race actually do not matter, and are not real, and one can be however they identify, and other such experiments, many people here do not know any longer that one is the race of their father, and that they are the gender that they are born, etc.,unless they come up against the court system with inheritance issues, and other legal issues of gender rights,etc. Then the experiments hit a wall. So the term mixed is now used culturally, and experimentally as if people have been placed in a blender and spun on high, and pureed, (I just bought a great blender to make healthy smoothies) and that they have no actual race, in popular experimental educational movements in the U.S. And the mother is even often cited as the source of race at times, as well, by many people. Depending on what is most convenient for them. I often ask people, when they venture to tell me they are mixed, or tell me their mother`s race saying that they are mixed, what is their father`s race and they then sometimes become hostile, and refuse to answer at times, and then I have my answer, although they do not realize it. What’s the problem? The games are always being played. For survival. However racial lineage is traced through the males, as many of us still know, especially those in legal and religious and biological and Heraldic fields. Males carry the seed, through their sperm. It is a biological fact, if one knows biology, however. That can not be changed by some people willing it not to be true. So Harry has married a caucasian woman, because she has a caucasian father and she happens to have a mother of another race. It is not an interracial marriage, the way some think of it in the United States, especially people of color that often have the most diminished education systems and are constantly being thought managed in the arena of race, and the way it is culturally popularized, as not mattering. A post racial society is pushed. Now, if Duchess Megan`s father had been of any other race at all, different from Harry`s race, then it would have been in every aspect an interracial marriage. For example, if Diana had given birth to a child by that man that was killed with her in the car crash, then she would have brought a child of another race into the Monarchy as a sibling of her sons by Charles. Because the male in the car crash, who carried the seed, was of a different race than Charles. Because males carry the seed, a fact that is being smothered in American popularized experimental thought and education. But, in many countries, people still know that they are the race of their father. Whew. I need a tea, now.
Violetta, I understand in part how many people in the very Newish country of the United States can have problems knowing their actual heritage and lineage at times, and they feel like that could be this race, and maybe they could be that race, or the other, and therefore I understand them usually when they are saying that they are of their mother`s line ( which is not their seed) or their father`s line according to oral records, whatever they can grab on to, or whatever is most convenient at times, as well. They get sort of a pass in my books. But, that Royal family in Britain has been around without much or any interruption of their records. They know exactly who they are, and their own real names, and their familial relations that have even ruled in and still rule in and have positions of great positions in other countries, though the males especially, and for many centuries, before and after they changed or smothered and continue to do so to their real names, even if other people such as you and I and still others have not seen the official and family records of their lineage. People often do what they have to do to defend themselves and to survive. At every level. And, Meghan`s lineage was researched thoroughly through her FATHER`s lineage, before the marriage even took place. To see who she really was in history. I do not know anything about her mother, from the media, so I can not comment on her mother’s lineage, and how far back they traced it, especially through her Mother`s paternal/male line. The only reason I brought this up, is because I am sick of fairy tales, and someone said that that man gave up a throne for a woman. And I had to bring up the German situation to disprove that theory, in case the reader wanted to do her own research on what happened, and see what I mean, that their was intrigue involved in the abdication, because I did not know that fairy tale was still floating around about that couple. And women are fed just too many fairy tales to the point that it is grotesque.
He did not abdicate for Wallis. They still spin it that way? He played his hand and he lost. He sided with the Germans against national policy and unfortunately for him and his position at that time, he was caught beyond repair, and he faced an ultimatum to step down on his `own` accord, or face worse consequences. Are not they Germans, ruling England? What in the world are their real last names. Pray tell. I hear their real last names mentioned so rarely, that I do not recall. And I do not blame that family for overlayering and thereby muffling the sound of their real last names. Those real last names have an inconvenient sound to them to many of the British. Who can tell me all the Royal Family’s real last names right off the bat. Right here right now, without researching it? And, it is not Windsor. I bet if I went to London and some other cities in Great Britain and asked random people on the street, what are their real last names, The Royal family, I wonder what answers I would receive? Why stir people up with facts in their face all the time? But, things happen. He was Pro Germany at the wrong time. He was caught in a personal conflict of interest. He made his choice. He messed up. He had to face the consequences. So, a love story was spun and orchestrated:`What More In The name of Love?` As the song goes. And the machine flooded that love story as the cause. Face saved. An embarrassment covered over. Chop, Chop. What man willingly leaves the powers of a royal throne for one woman. Let us count together how many men refused a Kingdom for a woman, in history. Neither did he. Please, people. She was very convenient for the spin, with her convenient background of what turned out to be conveniently `royal unsuitability.` And he later diligently tried to make it up to her, his failure of set ascension, by obtaining for her at least a title, but he never could obtain a title for her, despite his constant petitioning on her behalf. Hopefully his love was enough for her, at end, yes? And, does not everyone love a love story. But, there was much much more than love going on there. Unbelievable. A certain genius and writer that we know, may one day write another book: `Love Stories of the Grotesque`
It’s Saxe-Coburg or something like that. I’ve not looked it up, but I do remember reading about the name change years ago. As you say, they Anglicised their name to make them more palatable.
And Mountbatten for Battenburg, but the English have a lot of Germanic anyway. Unless you’re descended from pure Celt or Breton, there’s a good chance you’re descended from Angles, Saxons, Vikings. Even Normans = Northmen; they were Scandinavians who moved south and invaded Breton territory before crossing the channel to England.
There are reports that David and Wallis were STILL colluding with the Nazis during WWII. If the Nazis took Britain, they would install them as King and Queen.
I doubt you can separate David’s political ambitions from his relationship with Wallis. By himself, he was pretty much a lazy party animal who didn’t want any responsibility, but if SHE wanted to take over the world, he would do it.
I agree with this. UK was ersatz ‘saved’ from what would have been a hopeless Sovreign. Completely temperamentally unsuited. No, E8 abdicated for love. As I write that I do wonder N 0 or E with him?
I have no problems believing if the Nazis had won they would have been puppet king and queen. E8 getting into bed with the slime of humanity.
Yup, she did us a favour. Meeting Hilter just demonstrates how utterly unsuitable he was.
BU123: And check out the name Wettin: The House of Wettin in Germany.
BU123: Witten and then Hanover and then what you are remembering with Saxe, etc…..Here is more: I think it glitched before. Even more change other than from Battenburg to Mountbatten: Battenburg changed to Mountbatten was Philip`s maternal family surname, anyway, that he had changed to, smothering his own German lineage surname of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. When he married Elizabeth, he was not allowed to give his children, Charles, etc., his German surname, decreed by his cousin Elizabeth (3rd cousin, I think?), once again because of Philip`s German heritage and how his real name sounded to British ears, and so Charles, etc. are known as Windsor as Queen Elizabeth says she styles her offspring as Windsor, rather than her husbands Philip`s German last name of: Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, and years later Elizabeth allowed Charles, etc. to at least be called Mountbatten-Windsor. So Princes Charles and Andrew and Prince William and Prince Harry are in actuality Princes William and Harry Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. As well as their children. And now including little Archie Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. But now Mountbattens and Windsors for more `palatable` consumption, of course. Any Brits or historians on here, please help out. I just don’t like fairy tales, such as a man giving up a kingdom for one woman, and that dislike has dragged all of this up. lol. Oh well.
Thank you, PSE! That is really informative! I find history fascinating, especially when it is re-written by the victor!
BU123: It is almost too fascinating. In a sad way. So, Elizabeth is a Wettin. From the German House of Wettin and on and on via Hanover on and on via Saxe, etc., if you were to check her tree of lineage. Now, here is the part that I do not understand, but it seems to be a British concern: Wettin was considered to be ugly/foolish sounding to the British ear. And that is why Queen Elizabeth`s lineage of Wettin also was downplayed/smothered. Is this really true? That Wettin sounds ugly or foolish to the British ear? Or is the problem that the Queen`s lineage of Wettin is easily traceable by common people, if they ever found out she was actually of the lineage of the House of Wettin, in the first place ( I do not know how her lineage is covered in the early education system over there). And not Windsor, the way a controlled search engine will attempt to mislead one on the first pass. And I refuse to get started on some of these `education` systems. But, just keep on digging. Smothered, by the way, is my own description. I say smothered because these names are deliberately layered over, but they are not actually dead. Just, sort of, smothered. And I think that smothered hints at a bit of violence, yes? But once you find out, for whatever reason, what these smothered names are, and you pop them into the researchable arenas, these names are like special keys that open up worlds of information. And I do feel that some sort of cultural violence is going on and perpetrated with all of these deliberate sort of hide-and-seek name games. Because Truth is also being: smothered. (BU123: by the way, it is said that Prince Philip was highly offended and insulted as a man, a male, when he was informed by Elizabeth that she would not give their children, starting with Prince Charles when he was born, Prince Philip`s last name of: Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg). However, Elizabeth was also looking at the long term and what she considered the current and long term negative implications of his name, such as was done with the changes in her own name: for what was considered the current and long term negative implications of her own name, and Windsor was decided upon to be palatable to the British). Oh my. Decisions, Decisions, and Decisions. And I still do not know what are the long term negative implications of their real names. I never as of yet, saw an explanation of what are considered to be the long term negative implications of their real names What are they talking about? What is negative long term about their real names? Anyway, I wish some Brits on here would tell me if Wettin sounds ugly or foolish to them. I am from the United States, and the sound of Wettin does not bother my personal cultural ear. What am I missing, if anything, about about the sound of Wettin?
Hi PSE, thank you for the information! It is very fascinating!! To answer your question about Wettin….and I can only guess at this….there may be a few issues; 1) it’s too “foreign” sounding, 2) therefore, it’s highlighting she is not British by lineage (god forbid!!), 3) Wettin reminds you of wet, which in British English is a slang insult meaning weak – and nobody wants that connotation about the monarchy!
The monarchy in Britain is a funny thing; there are staunch supporters, who will literally not have a bad word said about them. It is tied up with notions of patriotism and the proper order. There is still a strong positive feeling related to the monarchy and modern history (the last 100 years), and the Wars. Lots of nostalgia about a by-gone era and way of life (Downton Abbey and The Crown being good examples of this). The monarchy represent this safe, social structure to certain sections of the masses and at a higher level (The Establishment) is an important part of maintaining the status quo (power). It is a form of social engineering at a very broad level.
With regards to Prince Philip and his surname – I can’t comment on whether this is true or not, but I find it hard to believe he would not have been briefed about this. It’s very similar to the Meghan Markle scenario (and her Pity Plays about the media) – most people will find it very hard to believe that she did not know what she was getting into!!
I don’t know if this helps you or not! The British psyche (due to extremely effective management and propaganda) is symbiotically tied to the idea of a monarchy, and it is actually quite difficult to explain the essence of this to someone who has been brought up in a republic – so apologies if I’ve done a poor job. I would also say this is only my interpretation, as I’m sure other British people on here would give a different interpretation again. Let’s just say it’s complicated!!!
Wettin. Presumably pronounced ‘Vettin’. Its a bit odd. But not outrageously so like for example ‘Pratt’.
BU123: Thanks! Regarding Philip, he already changed his name once at least, actually gave up his own royal status for a moment to wed Elizabeth (I am not sure why and how that protocol worked, but he had to legally give up his title or something like that for a brief time period,) before he could wed Elizabeth, and then he had to take on another name again: I think that he may have been annoyed that the name he would give to his children had nothing to do at all or look at all in any aspect like his actual paternal lineaged surname? To have to go so far as to be Styled as, (I find that interesting to be said to be, Styled As, as it was called) the name of Windsor? Maybe, Styled As is a subtle legal phrasing meaning the names are not actually changed for the real authentic records, whether or not the real authentic records are publicly accessible? So one is `styled as.` Well, I think there is some truth to his dismay over something, because the, at least, once changed name that is now Mountbatten, his maternal name, was finally admissible to be used at times with his children, on documents. I guess you take what you can get at that level? Hahaha. But, I Love this that you told me: `Wettin reminds you of wet, which in British English is a slang insult meaning weak – and nobody wants that connotation about the monarchy!` BU123, Wet as weak. Thank you, BU123. Your response is exactly the type of info that I was attempting to find out about. A cultural input. So Elizabeth had to be stylized away from the name of Wettin. lol. Anyway, digging for a brief moment into those lineages is interesting and complex, and that is just with me forcing myself to not think about all the intrigues surely mixed up in all of that, and taking it all at face value and looking at it in a brief moment with an extremely broad brush stroke of total belief in the veracity of it all. It is amazingly very complex and dense and quite a labyrinth. Very smart. Whew! Thank you. I feel sort of British now.
BU123: By the way, You do know that The Donald, the U.S President is German as well, yes? I never hear that mentioned by the media, for whatever their reasons. And he has at least one name change in his lineage as well, because I believe that I recall that his original name is Trumpf, with an F at the end, or something like that. I wonder if the `Trumps` are a relation to the Queen via the Wettins, or Prince Philip via the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburgs, aka known to be stylized as The Windsors? And Elizabeth and Philip are cousins anyway. I would not be surprised in the least if they all are related. Oh no……….Oh no……….On no! I am NOT going to dig around, and wrestle with the very adversarial watchdog Google, and look anything more up now on all of this. I am tired, quite tired, just from that tiny bit of recent peeking into the true historical lineage of the `Windsors.`
Did you not get the memo that HG has 55 books on the go? 🤣
I don’t believe I’ve read a blog entry quite like this that pinpoints the precise strain on the true victim coupled with the explanation of behaviors. (Not quite by means of a relatable example such as with this couple)
I’m more consistently hearing subtle examples of undeniable devaluation differently when I hear people discuss events prior to divorce etc.. It is quite distinct from typical people break ups.
She may have him working out to Celine Dion before he finds you.
Nobody is that cruel…are they?!!!
How could you even work out to that? Or even Bocelli? It doesn’t work.
Lorelei: That would be part of the cruelty.
Oh wow i was just thinking yesterday how there might be a part 3 with prince william being concerned about harry and the fact they want to move out of the UK. Cant wait to read!🤗
Harry looks very sad in a lot of his pictures. I was pretty sure of him being a narcissist but i guess i was wrong. I think reality is setting in between the two of them that its not all a bed of roses despite their lavish trips and endless supply of money and attention. Now theres a baby to consider. Me again has her meathooks in him and i suspect he is starting to realise hes been caught in a trap. Hes seeing glimpses behind her mask. The moving away part i think is her idea and he feels torn.