Quiz : From the Mouth of the Narcissist
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Pfffff! The first time, 9 correct answers, the second time, only 6.
I do not accept this result!
I don’t agree with him!
I am indignant!
Hahaha 🙂
A hopeless test! Hahaha 🙂
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I will try again later.
This one needs a LOT of work!! Off to study!
I got 78 so need to learn again!
78 is good! I got under 50 on this one! Haha, lots of work to do! 😃
Score was 29. Back to work!
HG, most narcs appear to be risk takers and therefore not too concerned with breaking lockdown conditions.
A very small number of narcs however, appear to be very frightened of the virus. Is this genuine? Are they actually scared of catching it? Or is this a pity play?
See The Narcissist and Covid-19 that is why I wrote it.
ooh thanks – I’ll go back and take another look
Alexis–you should try balancing gabanzo beans on a tortilla chip. I am a legend.
HAhahhaa I’ll give it a whirl! Are you feeling any better now Lorelei?
I’m better yes, thank you. Going out for a walk in fact!
Alexis—have you ever played disc golf? I want to get a basket on a stand and throw frisbees all day.
Ah disc golf. The victim Narcissist’s fave (only?) sport. Be careful in there – the man buns might getcha
oooh thanks – very, very good! explains way more than how they respond just to covid/lockdown, really helpful to understand their mindset and how they are affected by many situations life throws at us.
on a side note, can you have a psychopath without a sadistic streak? or no?
OMG I failed HORRIBLY! Yikes.
There is no failure, only the need to understand further.
I got a score of 27, with 13 correct answers.
I’ve been away from the site for a while, so I guess my score was not as bad as I thought I was going to be, I was expecting to be more rusty…
but having said that, I could have done better. I shall work on it.
I’ve missed so much, I have a lot of catching up reading to do.
I shall try to catch up and then retake the quiz.
HG, Miss Swift presented a live version of “Blank Space”’, introducing the explanation of the song as; everyone was saying she’s a sociopath so she decided to imagine what it was like to be one, abd how one would think and behave,and write a song about it.
How does this differ with the question re the subschool in the quiz, admitting manipulation in a joking fashion ?
Thank you
But she’s not admitting it.
WokeAF,
Is that a recent live performance of TS?
HG, Do you think that Taylor Swift is playing with fire? (i.e. walking a fine line between flaunting what she is and then covering it over with “believable” explanations – believable to the vast majority of her fans anyway.)
Not really WC because they will not realise what she is and the few that might, will not care, they are fans.
Thanks for your answer HG.
It seems to me that Swift is the poster child example of a Greater reveling in what she is…just makes one think if it will ever catch up with her – but unlikely.
You are welcome.
I laughed out loud at my results. Thank goodness for number 21, I know I got that right! Off to purchase the answers and become far better educated. My poor performance is no reflection on you HG, I just have a really tough time with comments from the sub-school variations, but I will learn.
Dear FYC—I keep reflecting on the comments illustrated in the answers and the explanations. I mentioned the other day, and I’m more convinced that these nuggets embedded here and there are exceedingly imperative for the alarm bells to go off for us moving forward. These examples and various means of learning them create opportunities to digest the flavors of narcissists in a really excellent manner.
Dear Lorelei, you are absolutely correct. I have been listening to HG’s audios all morning and I realize there will be no destination, just more learning along the way — just like life. I am reinvigorated and committed to learn more.
I hope you and your kids are finding lots of moment of joy in-between going to your very serious job. Thanks again for your views from the front line. I found the intubation comment very interesting. Do share how the Ns you work with behaving through all of this.
I’m being supportive of the narcissists FYC. I’m not kidding. I do not wish to divulge my expanded role here because it’s not necessary, but it involves a close working relationship with many mids. They are doing the best they can and this is about cohesion and not discord. Our inherent motivations differ, indeed. In fact, a non narcissist I bicker with occasionally even approached me yesterday to apologize for her behavior regarding questioning some of my direction at times. There is an almost melancholy feeling. No one is fighting or bickering. Yet. **There is a ton of concern about aerosolizing procedures. We have a huge tent ready but hoping we don’t need it.
Very interesting, Lorelei. I sincerely hope you do not need the tent. Next two weeks should be telling. Well done on your broad support. The goal supersedes all at this point. Hang in there and stay safe.
Is it just me during Covid19, or do the new gravitars look like viruses under a nanoscope?
You were wondering that too FYC?
Something else has changed.
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I liked my old green, grouchy-looking avatar better.
Violetta
Hahahahaha… your new avatar becomes you.
LMFAO. 👏🏻
Hi FYC—correct, we are all getting along. An overwhelming angel even made some customized PPE for many of us to decorate ourselves. I bought her some food. She painted me black and blocked me from FB awhile back when I told her to get F*^%%#. Whole other story. I’m hesitantly white this week. It’s like white with a twist of black. Like cookies and cream ice cream. Does that even happen? Or is it always black and white?
Lorelei
You are either black or white there’s no in between. Bad or good.
So K—To be honest—I guess we shouldn’t care how they perceive us. It’s their problem, not mine.
Lorelei
Exactly, it’s their problem, not ours. I like MS’s color palette and her glitter is phenomenal. Best glitter I have ever used.
Is MS upper mid range K? Seems fitting.
Lorelei
I wouldn’t be surprised if she were; I was leaning towards MMRN.
Ah K—Martha seems chilly. She’d be proud of me. I planted summer bulbs in pots and did all my pebbles, dirt blah blah last night by campfire. I have more to do and some trees and bushes to plant. Aldi is a steal for this stuff. Trees for $15, I got 25 bulbs for $4 packages! Bushes were $3.99. I have always gotten great things in that little gem. I mean two trees and gallon of milk for less than a tank of gas. Amazing. I was lazy and didn’t paint today but will tomorrow. I work all night so slept in until noon.
Lorelei
MS is as frosty as they come but her Halloween decorations rock!
Martha folds a fitted sheet like boss. That bitch is my hero.
Lorelei
Hahahaha….I fold my sheets a la Martha Stewart style!
Having been the type to roll them into a ball and toss them on the shelf, I was taught to fold them when I began in healthcare at the age of 40.
Miraculously this year I mastered putting a duvet inside its cover without having to end up inside it on the kitchen floor.
I can only imagine what the future holds- putting the fitted sheet on the bed without re-doing each corner as they flip up? I dare to dream
Woke—I’m impressed. I roll fitted sheets. I get irritated easily. I will iron a pillow case because it takes literally two minutes but that is it.
I’m impressed because I find it tedious.
Oh and K—I’m painting something blue:)
Martha Stewart is in the house.
K, do I have to sign up for anything to do my own gravatar? If so, what’s the procedure?
This aqua-in-blue thing is better than the interim one that someone said looked like a virus, but I’m not very fond of it. The original one reminded me of the Powerpuff Girls’ Buttercup: mean and green!
Violetta, You have to sign up for a WordPress account to upload your own gravatar (they are somehow connected). At least that’s what I had to do. I stay logged out of WP however so I still cannot do ‘likes.’ Not sure I even remember how to get into it to change my avatar now that I am out of the tunnel.
Violetta
hahahaha…your current gravatar reminds me of Atari’s Space Invaders. The virus gravatar reminded me of a Gremlin.
If you hover over/hit the gravatar, does it open up and allow you to “view complete profile”?
Thanks, SMH. I’ll try that–and stay logged out too.
SMH:
It worked! Thank you!
I see that it has, Violetta. Good choice! 🙂
Ughhh 15 altho i wasnt sure about mid range type A and B will have to brush up on this. Love number 21 😄
Only 9 correct.
I must admit , I am a great fan of HG however unless you’re planning a career in Phycology what does it all matter ?
Let me break this down for you .
1)If it doesn’t feel right it isn’t .
2) Anyone who moves too fast is a huge red flag .
3) if you’re confused and questioning if it’s you . When normally that’s not an issue . It’s not you . Run .
4) No one and nothing is perfect and if it feels that way you’re being love bombed run
5) Hoovering is easy . Narcissist don’t change ever ! Period , end of story .
RUN !
Thank you. Let me explain it further for you, adopting your numbering.
1. Correct however there are two problems here
a. People may not have accessed the information to understand what is actually happening
b. Emoitonal Thinking is very powerful and will override the correct response. ET must be understood and curbed.
2. Correct, however most people do not act on it, why? ET. I come across this red flag repeatedly in those I consult but they got caught out because of the strength of ET.
3. Correct but once again when someone is in the grip of ET they lose insight to consider this, their empathic traits are hijacked (as explained in the Trait Detector Consultation) so they try to figure out what it is rather than just accept “this does not make sense, I am out of here.”
4. Correct but again ET feeds off the interaction that comes from love bombing so people do not run. If it was that easy to spot and act on it, more people would do it.
5. Hoovering is not easy if there is a solid no contact regime. The reason it become easy is as a consequence of people not understand what no contact is (there is so much rubbish and misinformation out there about no contact) and the obscuring effects of ET.
Thank you for your observations.
HG, I don’t think it’s just ET as to why we don’t act. We move and grow and the dynamic does change with some Ns but NC is foreign. Something we struggle with due to it not being our nature.
Thinking that it’s not your nature, is ET.
Hello Narc Noob,
It is harder in our nature because we get attached whereas narcissists do not. But it is possible with a conscious mind shift using logic and I think that is what the logic bulletins help us with.
HG, a ha, well I guessed that would be your response but my ET was hoping for a variation, even slightly!
Do you have a story/letter from empath that shares their experience where interconnected family’s reside and they have made amends to bring NC about? I’m not talking about where the N is the primary intimate relationship, more like juggling family members who don’t get NC.
Maybe I’m still in the emotional seas, trying to find my way. Thank god for Covid.
Mommypino, what about your daughters? This example is what I am talking about above.
Apologies if this is narcsite 101!
Hello Narc Noob,
My daughter is 3 years old. I just noticed from the blog that a big majority of commenters struggle with implementing NC. Empaths have a trait of Decency where it’s hard to be impolite when the hoover is benign. Empaths get attached. Empaths have Moral Compass to try to do the right thing like support a N family member who needs it badly etc. Addiction is also a big factor. HG refers to all of those reasons as ET because they are causing us to make a choice that is detrimental to us. Our empathic traits being hijacked for the wrong reasons causes us to behave or make choices that prolong our suffering or exposure to toxic people who will harm us.
My Ns are family members. I wasn’t able to go full NC on my mom but l limited the interactions. My stepdaughters were more challenging for me because my husband is not a N and he loves them and implementing NC with them means he will also have reduced opportunities to interact with them and it was making me feel guilty for years so for years I tried to make them like me. When I discovered HG’s works I realized that they will never change no matter what so I decided to protect my young kids from their toxic behaviors and implement NC which my husband supported even though he was hurt because we tried for about ten years and his daughters never changed so he recognized that it may be an impossible endeavor. I hope that my example somehow helped. I’m not sure if I really understood your question or if my answer was able to address it at all.
Oh I love it when they sum it all up for us . A nice tidy little package.
The female MMR-A’s especially
Narc-Narc!
Who’s there?
“I held a knife against his breast
As into my arms he pressed
He cried “my love, don’t you murder me
I’m not prepared for eternity”
I wandered home ‘tween twelve and one
I cried, “My God, what have I done?”
I’ve killed the only man I love
He would not take me for his bride”
Lower-lesser, he “made you do it”; get lost!
Narc-Narc!
Who’s there?
“Hello, I love you
Won’t you tell me your name?”
Love-bombing! Piss off!
Narc-Narc!
Who’s there?
“And I recall the time
You needed somebody and I made you mine
You needed a friend
So I took you in and treated you so kind
And oh, why do you wanna make me blue?
After after all, I’ve been good to you
(I’ve been good to you)
Oh, yes I have
And you know I’ve always been around
And I never, never, never let you down”
Overwhelming Angel! Get stuffed!
[Hears mellifluous baritone, smells subtle hint of Creed Viking, in background, Depeche Mode is playing from speakers of Audi….
Sneaks out of country through Secret Tunnel rather than risk temptation]
6 correct. Yikes!
Well this truly sucked. To the dungeon I go to study…………..
Your total points score out of 43 is 19
Number of correct answers. 10
Hey you entered an extra question!! …redone test i now have 7 right!
Gosh, I never did so badly on a test in my life! But I don’t know what Type A and Type B are so I probably messed up quite a bit on those.
SMH, look at the Covid-19 articles, and Fuel. A and B are different for lesser and MR. I haven’t read Fuel but apparently it’s in there. I deducted from the comments, elsewhere, that the a in lesser was arsehole and b was bully. For mid range, a was anodyne and b was (cry) baby. That’s how I answered the types on the quiz anyway.
Stay well! Xo
Narc noob, Thanks for the tips! Made me laugh. What was your score? I don’t even want to say what mine was, it was so bad! How are things down under? xo
Hello SMH, mine was bad also but surprisingly better than some long timers here, so that made me feel slightly better. I got 22 and the second go was 28. HG hadn’t added the last question at the time but I learned a bit more about the greater. I played around answering one q at a time to see what the answer was. Obviously if I wasn’t such a cheapskate I would purchase the answers. Maybe later?
How are you? We are still good here, hasn’t really hit I’m assuming winter will be worse, fingers crossed things start settling down for your side of the world.
Narc noob, My score was worse than yours. I’ll have to go back and do it again after I’ve read through your tips.
A friend in Oz texts me occasionally – seems that he is working, which is more than I can say for anyone here in the UK! I am not a scientist but I believe COVID-19 is climate related. If one looks at a map, the temperate zones are getting hit the worst. I am keeping a close eye on the southern hemisphere. With any luck it will have burnt itself out by the time your winter really sets in. Also, since you all have seen what we in the north are going through, you will know better how to protect yourselves. So fingers crossed for all of us. xo
Narc Noob, HG stated that there was a perfect score on the quiz. That’s how it was done! One question at a time. Which probably wasn’t done to get a perfect score but to test which ones were correct. Silly me, I assumed you had to answer them all before you could hit submit.
Yes, you are meant to do them all in one go and then submit them. Not do them one at a time to work out which are correct and which are wrong. I saw that NN had done this but had refrained from saying anything about it until now.
I did it yesterday to test if it could be done because I had a difficult time believing anybody had gotten a perfect score with the first try. I arrived at the conclusion that there was at least *some* trial and error involved.
It is NOT because we are cheaters, rather it is actually a good way to learn if you have the time on your hands to do so. (And we all tend to have more time for such things these days!)
Oh but that’s cheating! Haha. Wish I’d tried it.
I got a 70% on the hoover test which was an improvement from the prior quiz. I was half asleep and can’t recall my exact failure on the first one. Fun exercises for sure.
HG, I did infact do the test in full twice but the third time as you said, to test my incorrect answers. I wasn’t the one who got a perfect score, not from what I saw.
No, I know, it was someone else who achieved that perfect score. I observed you attempted the test many times.
SMH, I too thought, based on climate, and what was happening around the world that it could push numbers up where Covid19 is concerned. My partner works for a gov’t body who is working on a vaccine. Only one of the scientists there mentioned coming into winter and extra precautions, that’s the little bit I know, anyway.
SMH and Narc noob,
Logic Bulletin No. 2 called The MRN and the Façade deals with the two types of MMRNs.
Thanks EB!
Thank you, E.B.!
HG, I hope I wasn’t an inconvenience. 🤔
Not at all. It was merely an observation, do not concern yourself.
Points: 23/43 ,( right answers: 11)
Is that good ?
Will take again another time
Dealing 24/7 with Mental health crisis with my kid. Things got bad. Real bad. Like 8 hospital visits, shrinks, medications , violence, blood and cops bad. We are all alive and traumatized but light is beginning to appear at the end of the tunnel. I hope so bc this is my own personal Hell
SIGH Finally the Pand-apocalypse happens and I can’t even enjoy it 😆 I joke but shit got real . Not out of the woods yet.
Miss all my Empaths and of course you HG.
Will check in when I can
Send good vibes 🙏
Second try : 29/43 , 14 correct
Ok gtg stay the fuck home ppl
WokeAF – so sorry. Just not what anyone needs at this time or any. Take care. You’re in my thoughts 💜 Hope things settle down for you soon.
Hello WokeAF,
It sounds as if you have been through hell. Hope it is over now.
Are you and your child safe now? Has the narcissist left?
No narcdad and I have to take shifts tending to kid. He’s doing very well it’s all kid focused but I’m sick to death of him and his voice and face.
He’s a LMR Victim according to HG narc detector,so could be worse. Course I’m keeping him fed and in smokes bc otherwise I’d be alone 24/7 with this and the kid would’ve been in Care or psyche ward by now bc it’s a ten person job .
This is the worst thing I’ve ever lived through so I can’t imagine how my poor kid is dealing but he’s agreed RELUCTANTLY to get back on his med and there are glimmers of this being on its way to over.
When I get a minute to chill I put on tv or social media and it’s COVID. A Crisis within a crisis. I’ve had to deliberately put up my barriers (contagion) to MY OWN KID bc I just couldn’t let myself feel his pain anymore or I was going to break. Actually did end up kinda freaking out and going to our emergency myself and screamed and yelled and cried my fucking ass off and they listened to me and gave me a cup of tea and a peptalk and then I left to get back to it.
So I’m shutting kid’s emotions out as best I can while staying compassionate and present, so I can deal logically, calmly, effectively.
A plan is in place, the medical team is on board, now we just got to ride it out until the meds take a good hold. He doesn’t even need much just a SSRI to get him at least somewhat stable
-Although he’s been on an antipsychotic for the last week.
3 months ago he had dropped off his SSRI too fast and just spiralled into mania and manic depression as two weeks ago (ish? Time is blurred) he crashed and shit got real..
Jesus fuck.
At this point if this crisis can be brought into order, I honestly don’t think I have any energy left to be concerned about the pandemic. Im so wiped. If I get sick now honestly I will probably just welcome death. I say that sarcastically but it’s not far from the truth. I am one busted ass empath right now
Anyway thanks for listening to me vent. I wish I could say I have any idea what’s going on in any of your lives but I don’t, except I did see someone say something about getting a year no contact so congrats to that person whoever they are
May the odds be ever in our favour ~
HG I’m assuming it wouldn’t be unusual for a LMR victim to give a respite period in order to play super dad in a crisis
And then resume normal programming once the …benefits of said crisis stop?
Crisis is still ongoing but my funding and attention are dwindling and he’s starting to get irritated by that. Being super dad isn’t as much fun when you cant fix them, and you’re stuck with the crisis even without the escaped IPPS’s fuel?
Correct.
I am so sorry Woke – you need a “space” just …to yourself…a dark closet you can go sit in…set up mini tent in your place just for you? Make a tea and just sit in the bathroom if you have to. You need to create some space, even in small ways to give yourself a reprieve – I know how difficult it is to find resources to help with children – especially with the social distancing.
Wish there was more I could say or do…
Don’t apologize for venting here, keep doing so if it keeps you sane.
WokeAF
Sounds like there’s a lot going on. Put the pandemic on the back-burner for now and focus on taking care of yourself and your son. If you have Amazon Prime or Netflix, you can always chill out, watch a movie and relax or try YouTubing: Life is Worth Losing – Dumb Americans – George Carlin. That might cheer you up.
deniseisdone has been narc free for a year now.
I’m going to try limiting my reading/watching the news. I’m also going to avoid watching rom/coms because they provoke envy of the non-existent, films like Outbreak or Contagion that are a little too relevant, and superhero movies where it’s all fine once Batman or Thor comes to the rescue.
Not sure what’s left. I do have a collection of Shirley Temple movies on VHS, but they could be triggering for viewers with a history of overly-attentive stepdaddies and uncles (Graham Greene pointed out the dubious undertones in Temple’s interactions with grown male costars back when most viewers just thought it was all So Cute, in an essay that got Greene sued for libel by 20th Century Fox).
Violetta
How about X-Files.
The Monty Python election special is a good one, if only for the candidate names. On YT.
K: never really got into it, but if you shipped Scully & Muldaur, it could make you vulnerable to Hoover attempts.
Violetta
Being hoovered by extraterrestrial beings sounds appealing. Perhaps Mindhunter or Stranger Things.
Hello WokeAF,
I’m so sorry you’re going through horrible times right now. I’m glad that there is a plan in place now and I hope that the worst is over. I agree with the other commenters on self care for you. No matter how small the self care may be like having a cup of tea or your favorite coffee or treat it does help. You deserve it. You work so hard and you sacrifice a lot. I will keep you in my thoughts. Take care and stay strong. 💕
WokeAF,
What you described about your son can be challenging for anyone, especially now that you are supposed to stay at home because of the pandemic. If your son is a narcissist, he does not care about what may happen to you and your health. Violence, blood, having the authorities involved and he is just a “kid”?
I understand that you have to take care of your son because he is just a child but your mental and physical health, your needs matter too.
Living with chronic stress for a prolonged period of time (years) and not being able to remove yourself from that situation to recharge energy will deteriorate your immune system. It may also lead to chronic illnesses. Your system has already collapsed. I have been there too.
Although I am not a Contagion, there are similarities. I am introvert. Interactions with other people consume my energy.
Twilight, who is a Contagion, gave the following advice on this blog. I am not sure if it will work in your particular case but this is all I can think of at the moment:
“How I deal with the emotional energy
It is like water washing over you or observing the landscape as you walk, drive etc. You can dam the water or stop and stand still, one makes a choice (either subconsciously or consciously) to hold on to or to let go. An Empath becomes drained by holding on and not letting go or just letting it flow. It isn’t the absorbing of the emotion it is using energy to hold on to an emotion that isn’t yours that drains an Empath.
Awareness is what tunes one in they are holding on to another’s energy and recognizing theirs from another.
This takes practice and being able to be aware of when ones ET is triggered which can influence things.
In simple terms it is becoming the observer and not the participant.
Now if we are nothing more than energy walking around in body bags…..a person’s perspective influences how one sees what is making it what they want.”
E.B.,
I hope WokeAF reads your comment and it helps.
“It isn’t the absorbing of the emotion it is using energy to hold on to an emotion that isn’t yours that drains an Empath.”
This made so much sense to me at this time.
Thank-you for posting that – and thanks to Twilight too.
EB, that was very well articulated. Twilight wrote that? Having some contagion also, I understand what she is saying. I had no words for WokeAF I see plenty of others can offer support, thank you.
Narc noob,
Yes, Twilight wrote that to me. Her advice is between inverted commas.
E. B.
Thank you for this explanation.
This truly make sense!
Very helpful.
My son is not a narcissist. He is a high functioning autistic 16 yr old with a bad anxiety disorder who improperly took himself off his SSRI and went into mental health crisis.
That is fabulous advice from Twilight and I’ve noted it .
In good news, my son has been back on his med for a few days and it’s really beginning to take effect. Things are getting better rapidly.
It was very traumatic (for him and myself lol) but I persevered and got him help and we are now entering the healing phase. He has lore support than he’s ever had in place now , and now he can reflect as he stabilized, what a FUCKSHOW it was. That’s good because he’s a young adult and needs to have the autonomy to choose to take therapy and medication but now he knows what happens if he doesn’t.
It’s been horrific.
I’m still intact , he’s safe, it’s gonna be ok
Narcdad is back at HIS home and things are stabilizing well
Now I can enjoy getting paid to watch Netflix LOL
XO
Hi Woke—I’m glad things are settling down for you. It’s difficult when kids are in crisis.
WokeAF,
That’s good to hear. Hope you manage to work in some downtime.
Take care💙
“ That’s good because he’s a young adult and needs to have the autonomy to choose to take therapy and medication but now he knows what happens if he doesn’t.”
That is wonderful news Woke. My stepson is not autistic so I’m not comparing his to your son in that aspect. My stepson has a brain damage from an accident when he was a baby which now caused him to be child like in many ways. He is our Peter Pan. Anyway, he is an adult and he definitely yearns autonomy and independence and it definitely makes a big difference in his self satisfaction when he knows and he can feel that he has that even though we are always there for him as support.
Enjoy your Netflix time and I am glad that the nightmare is over for you both.
Woke AF
That sounds almost unbearable but you will get through this.
If you are taking on others pain AND having to deal with Narc whilst working; that’s tough. Really tough.
Dont feel guilty about shielding. I am part Contagion..
One of the biggest lessons I learned was that not everybody feels like us. Vast majority of people would not be able to pick up on it..
Sending you energy x
Sounds awful WokeAF. I hope your kid will get to spend his time with you and no influence from narcdad. Always a start. I feel for you and all of HG’s comments family.
How did I get 29/40 when each question is 2 points. Was the last question extra credit HG? I see 21 questions.
Bonus points on the last question.
Ha ha! That was a sneaky inclusion since yesterday. Surely that would have increased my score to 30. 😁
Ha! Everyone should get the last question right!
Yes, they should!
I failed, I only got 11 correct.
I can’t remember the difference between A and B lessers and I don’t know what A and B mid midrangers are, so I just guessed and picked one
Glad to see you around on the blog Witch – hadn’t seen a comment from you in a while.
🙂 I’m still here, kind of…
Working from home now and I’m enjoying my little break from humanity but there’s still so much to do so I’m on my laptop until 8pm most of the time.
I’m going to have a lot to catch up on on narcsite, I still haven’t read the covid-19 articles.
I’m feeling fed up of work today but I have persevere.
I hope you’re well?
Witch,
Glad to hear.
If you have the capability to work from home it’s probably best to keep your brain happy and your bank account healthy if you can.
Although I could see how that may make it more challenging to have boundaries around “home” time and “work” time.
I haven’t accessed all of it but HG’s stuff on the narcissist and Covid19 is excellent!
I am just trying to not overdose on mainstream Covid-19 news or go out much. Delays and school closures etc., make life interesting these days.
Thanks
I will definitely get round to reading the covid 19 series.
Yes I do feel sorry for parents who are stuck inside all day with their children haha
But more importantly I’m worried for the people who are stuck inside with the narcs during this lockdown. They will be at greater risk with less access to support. For the narcs that are now working from home or not working at all, they are more likely to lash out at their primaries more often. And of course the children who used to at least have school as an escape from witnessing the domestic abuse.
I don’t have a TV so I’m not constantly bombarded with the tragedy that happens all over the world. But I’m following the isolation procedures like the empath I am.
Witch,
“For the narcs that are now working from home or not working at all, they are more likely to lash out at their primaries more often. And of course the children who used to at least have school as an escape from witnessing the domestic abuse.”
So, so true.
I don’t have cable, so I just check the headlines online periodically – naturally all one topic. Trying to stay informed in a reasonable way; thank goodness for Narcsite.
“But I’m following the isolation procedures like the empath I am.”
Right!? What a weird situation in some ways.
“And of course the children who used to at least have school as an escape from witnessing the domestic abuse. “
. . . as well as child abuse.
I also feel terrible for college/university students—most of whom now have had a taste of relative independence (pardon the pun)—having to return to their childhood homes if they had been living on campus and have no other rooming opportunities.
I imagine it’s even worse going home to Narc parents and siblings.
Maybe this would be an opportune time for HG to write a COVID-19 Survival Guide for young adults and college-aged kids. Hook them onto KTN while they’re green!
Have you seen the tiger king on Netflix?… I’m like on the 4th episode and ggurrrlll the narc antics!!!
You need to watch it, so does HG, it just gets crazier and crazier every episode
Witch,
No, I haven’t seen the Tiger King, I did however read some hype about it a news article and wondered briefly what is was all about.
Lots of N-action, you say?
Witch
Quelle horreur! There’s so many Narc antics (manipulations) that I can’t keep up!!!
@who cares,
I’m still not getting notifications so I have to keep checking the thread.
But anyways, yes! All the zoo owners are narcs including the woman. I’m not going to give any spoilers, but it’s more ghetto than love & hiphop.
It’s also incredibly sad what happens to the animals and some of the other people featured because of these narc loons!!!
No problem Witch – I don’t get all my notifications either.
Hmm…could be worth getting the popcorn maker out for – but I am NOT heading back out there for beer!
@K
I finished the series last night. After every episode I was like “what the hell is this fuckary!!”
Everyone was moving mad!!!
I recommend the show to anyone who wants to see what happens when narcissists collide
Witch
Animal cruelty, missing teeth, tattoos, body jewelry, Tiger King’s mullet and plethora of expletives; it was a shit show of lesser narcissists!!! I was speechless as I watched the horror unfold.
Oh shit that’s right- Joe doesn’t have a facade!! Too functional to be ML tho so Upoer Lesser? I had him as MMR-A ,hes so grandiose
And then that other guy, with his harem of young women. I forgot his name.
He pretented to be rich. And scammed his way in to Joe his zoo.
Iam guessing he is also MMR-type A?
Carole MMR-A overwhelming angel and Joe Exotic also MMR-type A.
Iam also going to rewatch it again.
Indeed good homework!
Apparently there’s tons and tons of footage we haven’t seen yet a new episode is being released next week
Are we going with Joe Exotic as a MMR-type A and that Carole Fuckin Baskin as a UMR or a MMR-A overwhelming angel?
I’m all about the Tiger King memes lately , they slay me. I’m rewatching it all to specifically pick out the manipulations by name. Good homework
Joe exotic definitely an upper lesser type arshole.
Caroline baskin a mid midranger type A (if type A is the non-whiny one.. I don’t know I failed the quiz)
I’m not too sure about the one with 3 girlfriend’s might be a lesser midranger
Ok here is my final opinion on Joe
He does have some mid range traits (grandoise, charity etc) but he has no facade and no hold on his temper. He babe calls and his deflections are unsophisticated and basic . Plus he “feels” like my ML Somatic narcoholic
Joe Exotic is a ML
Carole reeks of superiority and snottiness. Her facade is intact, her fuel matrix is big, her husbands are wealthy and intelligent, and she successfully covered up a murder. She uses her pity plays craftily. She runs a rescue.
Carole is an UMR
Dear Witch,
Mr Bubbles n I watched Tiger King 😱
What a fun packed cringe worthy narc fest show that was
There’s a theory that Carole’s first husband Michael Murdock is in fact, the now Jeff Lowe …the likeness is there and many other similarities apparently
The lastest update, by attorney, Joseph Fitz, saying he has no doubt Carole’s husband was strangled and thrown out of a plane
Biggest bunch of narcissistic hillbillys I’ve ever seen collectively
The absurdity begged belief and no stone was left unturned
The series was soooo bad….. it was good in a fascinatingly curious voueristic way 🤣
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
One of the school and sub-school combinations does not exist. Was it done deliberately?
All of them exist EB.
Where can I find information about the “Middle Lower” that appears in Question No. 1, HG?
It’s my “Lower Lesser Co-Dependent Empath” classification that doesn’t exist. I am very disappointed. I was planning to use it as a court defense the next time I try to beat the shit out of people, get my ass kicked, feel terribly guilty, and start looking for reasons in their traumatic childhoods why they would act this way and wondering how I could’ve helped them, if I weren’t such a bad person.
HG, you have ruined it, just like you ruin everything and you have ruined my life!
“HG, you have ruined it, just like you ruin everything and you have ruined my life!”
Wow, what a load of fuel!
Not really. Tertiary source (lowest potency) one off burst, in writing and therefore lowest amount of fuel that can be provided.
I know. I just enjoyed “saying” that.
I’m channeling Cat Astrofy from the Covid Narc Interviews. She’s my Spirit Animal.
The first question (I think) said Middle Lower (instead of Lesser), something like that.
“People like you never realize what you’re dealing with.”
Now that’s the Upper greater, if I got the tone from Sherlock Holmes right. And a bit of Superman too.
I agree, Cat.
And to think that I am totally in love with Sherlock Holmes.
With Benedict Cumberbatch playing Sherlock Holmes, at any rate.
You’re right. Sherlock rules. I think Johnny Lee Miller seems a narc. But not Benedict.
I think I only ever met one Upper greater, whom I realize is that, after reading HG’s descriptions. They’re so secretive yet they seem to know everybody.
I don’t know if Cumberbatch is a narc, but his Sherlock is a self-described “high-functioning sociopath.”
I just love me some high-functioning sociopaths. Sherlock, Raymond Reddington, Dexter, multiple Alan Rickman characters….
I have to remember the non-fictional ones aren’t usually that viewer-friendly.
Violetta, I am with you there ! (Alan Rickman characters, absolutely.)
I actually went out my way a few years ago and got this T-Shirt with the Cumberbatch-Sherlock quote, written in big letters down the front: “I am not a psychopath – I am a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research.” Just to thwart the enemy.
Will have to wear it more often, it seems.
I got impressed with an article I read that Benedict will not accept future acting roles where women are not paid equal. It didn’t look like future faking because he expanded a bit on the issue, down to earth. Not just cliches. Well, we’ll see if he walks his talk! So far I vote normal or empath on Benedict. But as many times I may err.
Lower Greater
7 right answers. 14 points. That was the first time round.
Second time was even worse.
I suggest the bottom-of-the-class pupils get a consolation prize ! (Nice try, eh?)
Hg, am I correct thinking there wasn’t many pertaining to the greater school? I saw one or two here.
No clues.
Lol! I did the test twice. 22 and then 28 – the *do as many times as you wish* sorted 4 of them for me, so I learned something tonight. I also got the A and B. Yay.
The second time I got 22/40. Would like to know which ones. This was fun although I don’t think you need to know exactly which school you are up against unless you have to deal with them a lot. Generally if you see any of the behaviors running away is probably best.
Now I can see which of my acquaintances are married to narcs and which school they most likely belong to. Once I escaped, I had many woman approach me about their bad marriages. I don’t volunteer help unless it’s asked for.
I really liked the article about divorce and the narcissist. I thought I was nuts and projecting, but it does appear that many bad relationships have at least one narc involved.
My father is a Lesser, and I always knew I would not get involved with a physically abusive man who did not work. Ha! I found myself a mid ranger instead 😂. Who knew?
Good lord I did it so bad 😂
Lol it’s all good lol
LOL thank you .
First time 20 out of 40, second time 22 out of 40 (but I kinda knew which two I’d got wrong). More study to get the rest. And I agree, Mids and Lessers seem easier, although the tricky ‘upper mids who are mistaken for lower greaters’ trips me up occasionally.
Its all education here.
I passed and scored 28. I was sad to not see which answers were right and which ones were wrong. I will probably retake this a bunch of times to figure out. It was really hard and I was surprised that I even passed. Thank you for the challenge HG!
blimey MP! You must be top of the class!
MP,
You are at the top! Congratulations!
Haha I lucked out. I wasn’t sure with a lot of them so I just made my best guess. 😊
MP, I posted something similar but thought HG didn’t let it through, I see yours is here… oh I know he says he lets all through, eventually.
As you will have seen, there were several days of non-moderation owing to my commitments elsewhere. See the rules.
Hello Narc noob, sorry I didn’t see your comment until now. I don’t get notifications for about 95% of the time. It’s not consistent because sometimes for some weird reason I get notified. I just don’t want you to think that I ignored you.
I have experienced similar things whenever HG travels where it takes several days before my comment gets moderated but my more recent comments get moderated within hours. I think when he’s away the older comments get behind the queue of comments to be moderated.
Hello MP. I don’t take it personally when I don’t get a reply, as I don’t have notifications working either. It’s all good! Hope you and family members are well. I saw on one thread that you have asthma and keeping a low profile? Please stay safe. ❤
Narc noob and MP (and everyone), I have asthma too. It’s mild and intermittent, so I am not on the ordered-to-stay-home list but I was advised by an immunologist to get a steroid inhaler, to be taken at the first sign of a C19 infection as steroids tamp down the immune system overreaction (the cytokine storm), which is what is killing people. So, public health announcement for anyone with asthma: get a steroid inhaler in addition to your regular albuterol. Interestingly, I have read that cancer patients on chemo are actually doing well because the chemo has already weakened their immune systems.
Wow SMH I didn’t know that. I will ask my doctor if I could get a steroid inhaler. I only get albuterol. I have been having asthma since late winter because it just always comes back every time I get colds or allergies. I hope you stay safe as well. I’m glad you’re not in New York right now. My friend in New York who is a nurse is having anxiety and she’s constantly frustrated with the crowds. She just took a picture of a crowd in Manhattan west side and even though people have masks they are almost shoulder to shoulder. Her husband and mother in law are nurses too and they are living together. I hope PSE is ok in New York as well.
I forgot to say thank you SMH. Thank you. I will ask my doctor about it.
MP, You should definitely get one because it sounds like your lungs are very sensitive to viruses.I was given one last year or the year before – I can’t remember – I was having constant attacks after a cold. But the steroids made my mouth break out in sores so I stopped using it and eventually threw it away because I wasn’t having more attacks (haven’t had one for months now). When I went to fill my prescription for it last week, all of the pharmacies were out of stock because everyone had the same idea – to stock up on steroids! So the doc had to change the prescription – still a steroid but a different formulation or something. I don’t even know. I put it away just in case.
Yes, I am glad I am not in NYC too. Everyone is on top of each other all the time. They really should shut down the subway and since New Yorkers are so obstinate, a lot of people are not complying. And of course many cannot comply because of work. Many are also suddenly unemployed and unable to pay the rent (most people rent in NYC). What a mess. The city is giving three meals a day to anyone who asks, so there is that.
I have a few friends who’ve had the virus now. They all seem okay.
Thank you SMH. I talked to my husband about the steroid inhaler and he said that it makes perfect sense because steroids help with the inflammation. I will call my doctor on Monday to ask for one.
I have never been to New York so I’m unfamiliar with the places that my friend is posting. But it does seem like there are lots of people there. I have read that a lot of the cops are infected with the virus too. I hope that she doesn’t get infected because her mother in law is in the high risk age and they all live together. She is worried about her mother in law.
Thanks again. I’m really glad that you mentioned the steroid inhaler. 💕
MP, Glad your husband confirmed. Hope you can get one. I am sure a lot of people are infected beyond cops and your friend stays inside to protect her mother. Oh also that she is using a mask. I keep banging on about masks but too many people are not listening.
Thank you. It is on its way to be shipped.
Unfortunately for my friend she is a nurse so she has to keep going to work. And her MIL and husband are both nurses too and their kids live with them too. She also posts pictures of her looking like an astronaut with her protective clothing with some scribbles for humor. We had a chat last week and she was complaining to me about a group of teenagers chatting in front of her window and a group of people jogging together. But recently it looks like people have been cooperating better because she hasn’t complained about it anymore.
Happens here too, MP. I must have been breathed on by a dozen joggers this morning when I went for a walk in a local park. Lots of people are self-absorbed. That’s one reason to protect yourself.
Thank you Narc noob. Please stay safe as well and may all of the people you care about stay safe as well. 💕
MommyPino:
If she wants to get rid of people chatting in front of her window, I highly recommend putting a speaker in the window and blasting something incredibly lame, like Leo Sayer. (I had happily forgotten his existence, until it turned out he resembled someone currently in the news.)
Fortunately, there is YouTube, so she doesn’t have to buy any of his recordings.
Lol it’s confusing because I am capable of saying a lot of those things depending on the situation so I answered MGN to more then I should’ve. To preform a role we have to keep a variety of characters hahaha!
Great fun and a wonderful marketing tool, too 😉 I got 20 points, then purchased the Understanding the Fuel Matrix, currently reading it, and then will try again.
P.S. HG, why don’t you make a separate article or logic bulletin on cross-pollution? It’s an essential subject that people need to pay extra attention to.
Thank you Dolores. There is new material in the pipeline so keep your eyes peeled….
“Cross-pollution?”
Is that in Fuel Matrix or elsewhere? Have not yet seen the term used.
It’s in several products. The importance of avoiding it is brilliantly highlighted in Future Protection.
Indeed.
Merci. I have that already…have not gotten to it yet.
My self-neglect has been revealed via this quiz.
Dolores Haze,
Thank you for reminding to this.
I also want to learn more about that.
I have future protection.
But iam struggle to explain it to a friend of mine.
She is surrounded by Narcissists.
I got 20/40. Still some learning to do!
Indeed Fox and this reinforces why you need the expert.
20/40. I have problems distinguishing the MRN, they all sound equally pathetic to me.
But in reality I should know better.
“I have problems distinguishing the MRN, they all sound equally pathetic to me.”
Haha – SweetP; agreed.
Took it twice. 55% the first time and 60% the second time. I’m a flunky!
The best so far has been 65%, so not that much of a flunky, MB.
I’ve read and listened to nearly everything! I’m soothing my wounded ego by believing the quiz is just too hard!
Drop and give me twenty Private MB!
MB
Haha, you made me laugh. I’m lazy and don’t want to apply myself. I just think a blanket: they’re all fucked. Walk away.
NA doesn’t take it personally. NA just walks away. Be like NA.
I still want to be you when I grow up! I totally took it personally. I feel dumb. MB never fails tests.
NA,
“Just think a blanket: they’re all fucked. Walk away.”
Ha ha! Pretty much.
Basically that’s an A for me, NA
If they’re work narcs instead of Twue Wuv prospects, you can’t always walk away. Knowing what they are and what they’re likely to do would be relevant.
V
That’s true and I understand that in real life situations. I was just making a joke about my own inability to apply myself in that moment – not advocating that the quiz be dismissed. It is an important gauge to our understanding. My apologies if it left that impression.
No prob, NA, I’m just applying it to my present situation. The state government jobs are all frozen at the moment, but if and when they unfreeze, I may not have the luxury of saying, “I prefer this agency, because it has no narcs.” I may be happy to take whatever I can get. A slightly better scenario might be, “This agency has x kind of narc, and that one has y. They have both offered me positions; which one could I stand to deal with on a daily basis?”
In terms of Twue Wuv, people trying to get OUT of ensnarement will need to know who’s going to draw out to divorce proceedings as long as possible and try to get custody (even if the ex hates the kids) vs who is more likely just to get a Kalashnikov and hunt you down.
But you are quite right about the INITIAL attempt to ensnare. The minute I hear one of those speeches HG has rendered with terrifying accuracy, I’m not going to bother trying to figure out which flavor narc I’ve encountered: it’s off.
MB
I got less than 50% correct. When I was a child and received an F on a test, I would hold it up and say: Look! I got an F for Fantastic (just spin it). Once, I got a Zero; it didn’t bother me one bit.
“F for Fantastic” …just saw this K – haha!
WhoCares
D was for Delightful and A was for Ace!
K,
Hehe.
I am reminded of the only time I intentionally flunked a course – it was art school, 3D design. The prof was a self-confessed asshole (should have known that was code for: narcissist).
I learned a lot in that class and as a practicing artist, the instructor’s own work was fabulous – he did installations involving real holographic images.
But our ‘big project’ was to invent and research a product that met a social need (like design, research regulations, source materials, cost of production..blah, blah…this was a FIRST year course – I was like: fuck that.) Even if I wanted to attempt it I couldn’t because I was commuting daily by bus (living in a cheaper city) and there were not enough business hours in a day to do that level of research and implementation. I got a delightful 50% in that course.
But I ‘A’ced my studio course in costume drawing – like in the 90’s.. incidentally drawing fabrics is way more interesting and challenging drawing than naked people (although I did okay in life drawing class too.)
WhoCares
See, you understand; it’s all about perspective! Spin it.
K, this is going to make me look like a nerd (which I am) but I’ve always made very good grades. I’ve read and listened to an overwhelming amount of HG’s body of work and assumed I would do well. (I would assume you’d do better than I.) It truly frustrated me that I did so poorly. I knew it was difficult. Once I obtained the answers, I realized it was even more difficult than I thought. I haven’t tried the hoover quiz yet. I don’t want to get upset again.
MB
Try not to let it get you down. Learning is incremental and I bet, in real life, you would be able to figure out the schools much easier because there is so much more context. Real life is where is counts. We learn here at HGU but if we can’t apply it IRL then what good is it.
Frequently, I tested poorly and my tests were often marked with Red Xs and “See me after school” so I wasn’t too surprised when I bombed the quiz.
MB,
You’re simply too hard on yourself.
I thought I would do better too – especially on the hoover quiz!
Hugs.
Thank you WC. Hugs to you too! My perfectionism is a fear of rejection (ie a fear I won’t be loved if I fail) Not a good idea for me to take any more quizzes! My worth isn’t measured by my score and I must remember that. Stay safe. I’m so happy you and your son are doing well. You’re a hero in his life. I truly mean that.
MB, Love you whether you ‘fail to answer correctly’ or not. Your worth is intrinsic.
Thank you FYC. You always say the right things to remind me when I get off track. ❤️
Just a little truth telling is all that is, MB.💞 I hope you are doing well during shelter in place.
No MB, your worth could never be measured by a score.
But I get the perfection thing; I didn’t want to share my scores. I have gaps in my knowledge and don’t always apply all the terms properly but I don’t let that concern me because my conceptual understanding is pretty good and my real life application of my learning is evident. I think that is the same with you, going by your comments and current NC standing!
Thank-you for your kind words – I hope you and yours are staying safe and secure.
I was thinking of you in the grocery store today – and how you made a comment elsewhere that the new normal was disturbing and you miss interacting with people…MB, I have to say: I LOVE shopping with a bubble around me! So much easier to get stuff done; streamlines the whole process.
WC, we certainly grasp the material and are applying it which is the true test of our weaponization.
I’m pleased you thought of me when you went to the store. I do love me some EverPresence! 🤣
“. I do love me some EverPresence! 🤣”
Haha! ☺️
WhoCares, I agree, MB is too hard on herself! A missed answer is not a failure, it is an opportunity to learn. We all do not know many things. It’s all about learning and learning is fun and gratifying. I have missed many. No shame in that. Just a wake up call to double down and apply myself. Caveat: I do appreciate expecting a lot from one’s self, but perspective is a good thing. Hugs to you both. You are both wonderful and appreciated.
Hugs FYC!
WhoCares
Hahahaha…me too but I bombed the Hoover Quiz, as well!
These are bloody hard. I’ve only just scanned them and know I’ve failed
NA, I got like ‘9’ – Sheesh. My only consolation is that I am better at the practical application of my knowledge in real life than theoretical application here – but that’s another test
Bollocks! 12 out of 40, 6 correct answers.
Equivalent to a grade D!
Not good enough, I need a punishment!
Here is me thinking I’ve graduated with a 1st class honours.
In my defence, type A and B threw me, don’t know about such a thing.
#10 sounds like Donald Trump. Forget if that’s A or B.
Hmmm I need to go back to school! Great quiz! I’m confident in distinguishing lessers and mids. For the more intricate detail I definitely need to refer back to the relevant texts.
How is the scoring calculated? is it 2 points for each correct answer? or 1 point for school and 1 point for correct answer?
2 points per correct answer.
okey doke phew!
Who is a lower greater example? I see this as an answer listed (potentially) but have never nailed down a vision of who this could be. I have fuel matrix piece but I don’t have an example.
See the Covid-19 Narc Interviews.
I did see the interviews but I prefer a real person—I see there were illustrations but a real person puts a stamp on it. Like MJ being a middle greater, I can see it.
Putin.
Thanks. That helps.
You are welcome.
Do not laugh. Why would a mid-ranger become a “flasher?” Fuel but.. It’s a weird and rare behavior.
Sense of entitlement, lack of boundary recognition, lack of accountability, somatic (hence the flashing) and less concerned with facade risk because
1. It would be done to strangers who would not know who said flasher is , and
2. They would not be looking at his face anyway, therefore reduced risk of recognition.
Thank you HG. This was an old question. My first husband was attractive, smart, charismatic—everyone wanted to be around him. He was actually hard for me to ensnare! I really had to work on it.. Alcohol was a huge issue. When he descended into alcoholism there were two incidents where he was very drunk and flashed young woman from the window/door in his home. He was arrested both times. The alcohol (coupled with his narcissism) drove him from “Mr. Nice Guy” to a baffling state. He was unrecognizable, and I could not allow our daughter near him the last year. It was like the meth pictures you see—not quite as bad after a shower per se—but close. I have not seen such a decline often, I have but wow. He was very troubled. I’m glad I disengaged when he started his nonsense during the marriage because it would have been potentially darker than the last one. I know there may come a time when my daughter finds out and there may be a discussion. Stating some of what you have here without the N word is helpful. Factual, no gaslighting, no nonsense but not diagnostic. I have to be exceedingly careful with diagnostic terms. It’s also not appropriate to say to my children.
You are welcome.
MJ as in Michael Jackson?
Yes Delores. I think Taylor Swift falls in line as a middle greater as well. (?) But.. There are “profile” outliers. Think Donald Trump—he should own a successful used car lot. But—a variety of factors came into play to align him with other opportunities. Also, we are working within the framework of HG’s lexicon to give definition, but I know these individual factors influence some plasticity. They have to as people are complex. I will say there (in my opinion) is less plasticity for a mid ranger nice guy. He or she will only ever achieve so much. My ex will never be at the top of the corporate ladder. He has a slew of employees, but a hungry upper lesser bully would bulldoze him. He’s a coward. Trump is a bully and capitalized on it. I actually think UL’s offer some of the greatest surprises. Even Chris Watts as a lesser “looked” much better than many mids. (But he wasn’t bright and had the physical aggression.) HG—I Hope I’m properly interpreting your work. I strive not to make errors.
Thanks for the Putin tip HG. It would help even more if we could have a real life example of each Lower lesser to upper greater xxxxx I love you so so so so much xxxxx
You will have to wait.
Oh I don’t like waiting!!!! You always make me wait!
Cry me a river.
Another one of yours I presume. I’ve not studied him, that’s just a guess based on the industry
haha re flashers! so gross! I recall one whilst a teen in Spain, one dirty old man did it windmill style! yuk! yuk! yuk!
I’ve heard there is a new type of flasher on house party app where they gatecrash your party and flash whoooaaaa
Was it a Pink Windmill? Was it Rod Hull?
Ewwwww I don’t want to tbink about it any more
It’s way unusual and really different Alexis. I think the alcohol was the culprit that engaged the low impulse threshold in the situation I mentioned. (Coupled with the low fuel alcoholism inevitably generates when the narc is isolated) I am failing with doing my project today—I went out sprayed weeds and planted more bulbs! I also have a plant stand to decorate. I need a nude statue.
Dear Alexis. I regret to inform. Peachman is leaving me for another job. (But such transitions take awhile so no lack of material for a bit) The last one he was fired from, but he was a victim, remember this. It wasn’t his fault! But interestingly, he is going somewhere that reminded me of someone I cozied up to in the OR. It served as a Hoover trigger for me and I texted my old friend. He’s “swinging by” next week, and I’m sure it will be interesting based on our history. Is it inappropriate to set up our two oldest children? Is it weird to have “history” and set up our kids? It is really weird to.. Anyway. I need to straighten up. This is ridiculous! I have a behavior problem.
Ah a shame peachman is leaving, but good to know you can keep us updated for a while.
I wish pantman would FUCK OFF!! His voice is just like fingernails running down a chalkboard. I cannae stand it any longer!
HG are normals also less affected/irritated by irritating Ns than Es are? Is it just me or what? Are normals less affected because they’re focused on themselves and what they’re interested in. I hardly have to interact with pantman at all in the great scheme of things. on average around 30 minutes per week. Sometimes more sometimes less. Yet he still bugs the shit out of me. And even though it is such a short period of time, his creepy sliminess which oozes through a call just stays with me and it doesn’t leave. He is not doing anything in particular, he does not have any influence or impact on what I do. We are completely independent in that respect. He could simply say he plans to go to the supermarket this weekend and it would piss me the hell off! why,why,why???
Sorry Lorelei, rant re pantman over!
Is it weird setting up two older children? No I don’t think so. Why not. It may well work out for them.
Normals are less affected because they do not have the addiction.
I love the name Pantman, keep ranting. I didn’t see if HG responded but I believe normals don’t have the same impact. I am as irritated with E’s as I am N’s. The truth seeking quality annoys the fuck out of me. (not my own of course!) I work with a guy that is a very clear E but we have had several fights lately, I told him last week not to bother telling me about the patients because he could not tell me anything I can’t tell him. (long story) So, he has to get to the bottom of it and of course I have received emails that I have purposefully not replied to! Fucking annoying. The narcissists are actually less annoying in some ways at times. Peachman doesn’t annoy me as much as make me weak! He is such a douche though.
Hahha Es can be annoying sometimes, especially me lol but I’m very forgiving of anyone who is not an N. Even if it doesn’t work in my favour. Most Ns don’t bother me, not like this. I accept them for what they are or there are some I hate. With pantman it’s not even hate it’s just vitriol disgust, if you can even put those two words together lol I don’t care. HG did mention addiction, thanks Lorelei. I don’t understand why it would be addiction though? When I genuinely could not care less if I never saw or heard from him again. We were never and would never be intimate well I wouldn’t he would like to. He’s beyond gross in a way I am unable to articulate. Just his very existence. So on my part I don’t understand what the addiction is. If I see him call or text I ignore it. And I’m not urging myself not to answer. I don’t because I can’t bear any form of interaction with him at all if I can help it so where is the addiction? I’m not getting it? Thanks I’ve ranted enough that I’ve managed to bore the shit out of myself now.
why does truth seeking annoy you Lorelei? Ah I continued reading and I understand. Hmm I guess that could be annoying but then just give him the answers and if he’s an empath he’ll be satisfied with that. Peach man definitely sounds more appealing than pantman. At least he’s hot and you can just stick a peach in his mouth if he does a monologue or pity plays and the like
Peachman is hotter than any man I’ve ever been weakened by. He’s absolutely hotter than the sun. Truth seeking—it is a huge pain in the ass and they talk incessantly to make their truth known. Shut the fuck up is eventually how this makes me feel. Your addiction is indeed the vitriolic response. Addiction manifests both in positive and negative ways for us. It’s the draw to the energy of our thoughts. I just ordered my kitty a fancy collar with a bow!
eat me peaches peachman!
Ugh Alexis—I’d have to be drunk. Otherwise my mind would be wrapped up in how ridiculous my actions were!
We also don’t have to be forgiving of people that aren’t narcissists. My CD friend I grew up with disgusts me. She sent condolences on my moms death. She also robbed me of $20k eight years ago for her narc boyfriend. Don’t ever think an empath won’t sell you for a narc. Some are pathetic.
Yes. I understand their loyalty to an N and I totally get why you wouldn’t be forgiving of that. $20k jees! I guess I give people a pass too easily and make excuses for poor behaviour if there is one to be made. But Ns are not included in that. I think I have very black and white thinking about many things sometimes.
Indeed Alexis—it was a jewelry theft. The boyfriend was painting.. Anyway—she helped and to be honest—a self respecting mid ranger (in the absence of a drug problem) would never do such a thing. See?! There are individual characteristics associated with any person that can be undesirable. The capacity to have positive feelings means nothing.
I do understand Lorelei. We all have undesirable behavior. I’d say stealing some expensive jewelry is beyond irritation.
For me personally, as long as there is some degree of empathy there I just don’t feel irritated by their behavior, not really. Maybe in a moment I might, for instance if I’m in a long queue to post a parcel and the lady at the till is being too helpful to the customer at the counter when I just wanna post my fucking parcel and get gone ahaha. but beyond short moments I don’t believe I get irritated with an empath/empathic. I may not like some things they do, but I just put that to the side because I know overall they’re a decent person. Jewelry theft is another level though.
Correct Alexis—basically she can sink in quick sand & I would eat a bag of chips. She’s pathetic. I am sorry is the battle cry of the weak in this case.
Alexis—also, I might be the one that points out some future faking of more jewels on the other side of the disguised quick stand! Just a little walk in the forest my little dear.. It’ll be safe I promise.
Alexis—I get to work and Peachman has contacted my brother to hook up re, some hunting/firearm matters. The saga thickens.
What the hell lol. Oh god!
The plot thickens Alexis. I really am using him as an opportunity to learn. I’m hopelessly attracted to his sense of humor, clinical expertise, appearance, charisma. Even though I know he’s an attention seeking brat. It’s disgusting that I find an alien this appealing. He’s the most attractive alien ever. But we were stuck together for a few hours in a pit of COVID. He’s been treated terribly, it’s not his fault, this COVID shit is causing him headaches, it’s not his fault, and he’s treated unfairly. Oh—and it’s not his fault. But then he’s charming and makes me laugh because he’s so so attention seeking. I need a lobotomy. I will say though—this COVID shit is a headache pain in the ass.
Curious why not a sum of correct points to equal 100?
2×20 =40.
No no. It could be five points per question. You’ll keep people around longer if they perform worse than 80-85%. We will feel dumber. Seeing a score of 14/20 correct and achieving a “28” is like the slow kid not feeling so bad. We need to feel horrible.
I see your point, thank you. I may well apply this on the next quiz/test.
Thank you. I aim for devaluation any way I can get it.
From where?
I didn’t get the “low score” I should have—I was given a work around to feel good about as if I’ve made progress. That’s not going to cut it. Getting 28 points seems an accomplishment, psychologically.. I should get a score of below 80% to inspire me to not be such an idiot. I always need to self flagellate because my internal calibration relies on it.
Ah I see, thank you for expanding. I will ensure it is a barbed whip next time!
I second these high standards.
Lisk—I don’t even think I got 14 correct, that was just a number. I think it was a few fewer. I was half asleep. I had to read up on mids (A vs. B) I married the A type—good guy type and he fits it like a glove. (Well he used to—he’s morphed into a lesser as of late..) I’m appalled at times. I’d rather date a slugging lower mid type that can’t win at chess. At least you can get the upper hand in once in awhile. The mid to upper mids are impossible. Just impossible. I have issues distinguishing between a mid type A and an empath. HG—is there a hint on this? No one likes the victim type so there is no way I’d tolerate that to get too close.
I hate the middle mid rangers, probably because I was married to one for so long. I always figure that with Lesser you can see him coming, fuck this and that, bring me a beer. And hell let me bash you about the head a bit. Obvious. My ex thinks he is a brilliant businessman when he is really just shitty with money. I don’t have much personal experience with Greaters or Upper Mid Rangers, but at least with their abuse perhaps you get the benefits of the cash. Mid Rangers are the perpetual victim, mine (being a Cerebral) was an asexual weirdo as well. What exactly did I get out of it? Ack.
Hi Gina. I would honest to goodness prefer living with a lower middle.. “Fetch me a beer.” I’m not kidding. Omg. There is little more annoying than a good guy facade. The upper mids annoy me less. They are less plentiful I think. Don’t get me wrong—they suck too, but I’d rather watch cars spin on a track with a lesser than have a “good guy” not speaking to me.
I think we’re agreeing here for the most part, although I don’t want any of them anymore. Dad is a Lesser, and most of the guys I was involved with before marrying were probably mid range, either somatic or elite. I did not know there were different flavors or I would have been able to avoid them more easily. The ex husband was Cerebral which I was not used to, so thought he was “different.” I too hate the facade.
It’s like ice cream Gina. Many flavors. I am serious though—if I had to choose I’d take a day with a lesser (his hygiene would have to be good) than a facade-reliant moron like I was married to. I mean, they are more “dull” and Harry Potter may have been their indoctrination into the literary world, but we all start somewhere. No, they just tend to be more face value. That is what I mean. Like when I interact with them I’m not shocked they call their mothers bitches in the grocery. It just is. It’s not right or okay for the person within their domain that is hurt repeatedly, but the lack of facade is glaring. This is why I’ve said before it feels “defeating” at times where HG talks of GOSO. I get it—I do. But.. If anyone thinks we as a society have to put up with behavior because “it’s a big bad narcissist” then fuck that. In fact, our entire society it structured to accommodate “behavior.” Basically—if a shit ball tries to grab my purse in a parking lot I’m not crying and hiding. This is my almost histrionic declaration of where “avoiding” and “running” isn’t even practical. Where GOSO makes sense is when interacting with people that affect your daily life. If someone in a parking lot tries to grab my purse it’s highly unlikely I’m not going to be a horrible bitch. If my ex tries to speak to me—I don’t reciprocate at all.
LOL. This is awesome!
I disagree with that method; demoralizing learners only makes them give up. Incentivization works better than punishment in learning acquisition.
I like being demoralized Sweetest. I am accustomed to it!
We love you, Lorelei!
how about 1 point for correctly answering lesser/mid/greater then bonus 2 points for the finer detai – hopefully we’d see better scores. actually the other way round 2 points for l/m/g then a bonus point
No.
booooooo
HG isn’t used to grading tests is all! I did the math on my own and felt horrible all by myself. Push ups make me less whiny though. The nuances of the schools just isn’t my thing. Maybe next time.
I hate push ups MB.
Lorelei, you are a barrel a laughs per minute. Had to agree with you after reading this conversation that the lesser has something going for them after-all. Wouldn’t touch one for a second but at least we know where you stand – even if it is a few miles away due to “poor hygiene” ba ha ha! Thanks for the laugh.
They are often funny Narc noob. I do want to say though—the humor taken at them is with some weight on my conscience at times. I’m exceedingly aware of how frightening they can be when they strike and making fun of them is not to make victims feel bad. (Mids are made fun of equally—in a different way.) Also, not all lessers are gross or dirty. Look at Chris Watts. Clean and relatively handsome. I actually think it’s why the media covered it so much—he and his family didn’t visually fit the stereotype. I have worked with families who have had children and women killed and it’s in the news for a day. I also had a woman beaten beyond recognition once with her hair and eyebrows shaved off. There was nothing funny about it or her attacker. So, I only say this because yes they are more honest, and part of healing is sometimes processing nuances that are deemed funny by many of us, but the abuse is rampant regardless of the type. I dated a cluster F* UL (I’m positive of this) in college and he was incredibly successful (at times) but looking back it was totally an embarrassing debacle of party and party and more parties! He was disgusting because he was a horrible shell of a person who neglected his children. He treated me lovely and this WAS the dealbreaker. Even at a young age I knew it wasn’t right to treat me well and buy me everything and neglect his kids. I watched over and over how his son was broken from the let downs. My ex husband is facade reliant and will never do this. His dysfunction is a different flavor. They are all disgusting equally.
Would you prefer an afternoon with a type A or B mid ranger HG?
Either, if it involves torturing them.
I want the Livestream version. HG can wear a covid mask to preserve his Secret Identity.
I had a “good person” mid ranger come dispose of a deceased cat (horrified me) in my house last night. They are useful and charming in their willingness to rescue and be of assistance. It is the reflection of this that is interesting because a normal would have to REALLY like me to bother. An empath would have been acceptable, but the mid ranger excels in this. The hero, the good person, etc.
Please feel free to torture mine.
Haha Gina! They would just blame the torturer as they sit quite dignified in the torture chamber while thinking of how unfair life is.
H.G, what is the best piece you have available on the type A and type B, for any school? This subcategory is a new development I haven’t encountered yet.
I recommend Understanding the Fuel Matrix, Brian.
HG, I get this weird WordPress pop-up whenever I try and “like” someone else’s post.
I do not know what that is.
Yes WP does weird things HG. Like not process comments on and off during Q & A’s. It had to have been all the traffic just overloading it. It’s a platform that has been taken over by aliens. I have to unsubscribe and resubscribe constantly to get anything.
So I’m now in The Incredible Sulk!
16 out of 40.
Vexed!!!
It was a tough one! I only got 18 too. Not sure I could even replicate the score hahaha
Alexis
I’m too ashamed to try again!
Hahaha no way! Nothing to be ashamed about Renarde. It’s just a fun quiz! It was pretty tough too, unless you have the memory of an N. Which i most definitely don’t lol
Alexis
I’m going to give it another try.
Go for it! I will too once I get the chance to re-read relevant material
Ha! Was tough though!
Renarde—have you had any issues with WP where you have to unsubscribe and resubscribe to get any comments? I have clicked within the setting preferences and it always go back to non-functionality. It’s odd. (No matter what is clicked/checked)
Loreli
No I don’t! How odd!
It’s a constant issue Renarde.
That’s queer!
Renarde,
Haha Just try again! My list of bulletins to read and listen to keeps on growing. I still have much to learn.
Good morning HG and everyone! I am sorry that this does not belong here so please forgive me.
I AM NOW 1 YEAR NARC FREE TODAY 🥰
I NEVER broke NC once and my deepest thank you goes to HG TUDOR! He pulled me to dry land and my appreciation cannot be put into words (and he hates emojis)!
Thank you all for your honesty, guidance and encouragement and HG God bless you! 🥰
WE DID IT!!!!!!!!
Hello DID, well done and you are welcome. Consider undertaking The Weaponised Empath Detector to ascertain where this one year has taken you to in terms of your status.
HG I would LOVE to!! I didn’t know about this but I can definitely see how important that information is for me and my future. Please direct me there as this site has changed and I do NOT want to miss it!!
Again I owe you my sanity and life! HUGS!
Jolly good. Do use this link https://narcsite.com/2020/04/02/the-weaponised-empath-25-off/
THANK YOU!!!
HG when I ADD TO CART and it takes me to PayPal the item is not being delivered to PayPal so I can buy it. Could you please advise me? Thank you!
I will invoice you for it through Paypal to resolve the issue.
Thank you!! I’m going back to PayPal now.
It’s paid for and thank you!
It has been sent.
HG this may not make you happy but will you resend this please – my email was full so it didn’t come through but I corrected this. I do apologize for any trouble.
What do you need to be resent?
The Empath Weaponised please.
Sent again.
Thank you very much.
You are welcome.
Hello HG!! Wanting to touch base and tell you I’m doing great and THANK YOU!! HUGS!!!!
Great to read, DID, you are welcome. Another Tudorite who has seized the power, join the swelling ranks.
Believe I’ve joined the ranks! Thank you very much!!!
Denise
That is an AWESOME achievement. Well done! 🦊🎩💛
Thank you!! Had an awesome teacher 😁
I am indeed!
Deniseiswelldone
Great work Denise!
Thank you NarcAngel! HUGS!!
I’m so proud of you Denise!
Thank you!!! I am living proof HG’s work is the absolute truth.
Congratulations. And an emoji for Hg 😊
Don’t understand the group A and B variations.
Obtain Understanding the Fuel Matrix and you will.
Hmm, only 11 answers right, still much to learn here!
You did better than I did, auntiempath. Half right.
You beat me by 2. I got only 9 answers correct.
I must hit the books!
Maybe i just got lucky!
But yes, i did some excesive reading.
Narcsite is my latest and only obsession at the moment. 😊
Narcsite is really all you need!
Excactly!
Not even close! Your quizzes are challenging Prof Tudor.
Indeed. I am of no use to you if it is too easy.
I’ve just finished! I obtained 20 out of 40. This means that half the responses are wrong. Are you going to provide us the solutions HG?
Life just ain´t that easy. You’ve work to do.
You’re the best, HG. Looking forward to working for it!