Dark Cupid

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426 thoughts on “Dark Cupid

  1. Kim e says:

    If the whole sainthood thing doesn’t work at least ask for a weekly wine allowance increase

    Congrats on your wonderful and well earned accomplishments 🍸🎉💕

  2. Another Cat says:


    Before the consultation yesterday, I was also, like you, afraid to burden or put pressure on HG. In my case not so much about wasting his time, but about asking too much of him. This is a person who has no children, childcare not his profession, and I was looking for advice on how children feel, their reactions, how to later on be a considerate teen parent.

    After some pressured thinking I finally said it out loud: Come on Cat. This man probably knows more about children’s wellbeing than many parents and (most?) pedagogical scientists do and you know it. He will not be bothered if you ask intelligent or honest questions about your kids.

    And with all the planning and work we do to give kids the best days and nights, I’m thinking about @WhoCares, @ANM and @WokeAF, loneliness in coparenting with a wellrespected narc is tiresome. Encouraging words were very welcome.

    1. Truthseeker6157 says:

      Another Cat,

      Thank you so much for sharing your inner thoughts and concerns with me about your consultation, I think I would have been exactly the same in your position and for exactly the same reasons. It is amazing, how HG has the ability to relate. It shouldn’t surprise me given his level of experience, but it still kind of does.

      I have thought about things a lot over the last day or two. I do listen to others and their advice, and I do think about it afterwards. To have a consultation, I have less control over the way that conversation goes. E mail consultations are different. I ask the questions so control rests with me. I can’t control on an audio consultation with HG, which means I’ll inevitably be required to discuss things I don’t want to discuss. If I’m entirely honest, that’s probably the main reason I wouldn’t do it. That might change at some point though, I’ve changed in other aspects. I’ll let you know if I bite the bullet Another Cat. X

      1. Kim e says:

        I have had many consults with HG on skype and have never gotten the impression that I could not take the conversation where I needed/wanted it to go
        Perhaps deep down there are things you are not ready for HG to touch on. And that is perfectly ok.
        Could be during the consult you will have an aha moment by something that is said and the thing holding you back will just fade away
        Just a thought

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Thank you Kim.

        2. Truthseeker6157 says:

          Hey Kim,

          The more I go on talking, the more I feel like I’m undermining a process I believe in. I believe in the value of the audio consultations. I believe they have had massive positive impact for all those who have undertaken them. I respect HG and his ability to advise and help people in a huge array of different situations. People are wholeheartedly positive and I understand why they would be. HG’s understanding of us as empaths is outstanding in every way. It is.

          I therefore fully support the consultation process. If I encountered a specific problem going forward, I wouldn’t hesitate to undertake a consultation and would advise anyone to do the same.

          In this specific context though, the past narc and associated bond / ET, currently, I just don’t feel a consultation is right for me. That isn’t me undermining the value of the consultation, it’s me making a personal choice.

          1. Kim e says:

            As long as we all get to where we feel safe again Best of luck to you

          2. Violetta says:


            I can understand why an audio consult might not be the ideal format for you, at least at the moment. I’m afraid I’d be so mesmerized by that voice, I’d have trouble concentrating on what he was saying or replying to it. When I listen to recorded material, I can just relax and be receptive, and I can always go back and listen again if I missed something.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            You can record the consultation, many people do.

          4. Violetta says:

            Good to know.

            Other issue: I express myself better in writing. Otoh, a number of Tudorites have suggested writing down questions before the consult and taking notes.

          5. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Violetta. I love the recorded material too. Some packages I could have cried at. The fact that someone got it, got me, and told me how to look at things in order to feel better (Addiction). Others I listen for pleasure. I’ve been listening to Narc Tales as I fall asleep for a while now. I find it calming. I find HG’s voice soothing, when I’m not chuckling at the accents he puts on that is.

            Imagine the scenario.
            “Hello Truthseeker, it’s HG. How are you today?”

            Wounded HG, ignited fury, I get painted black. My audio tape is just me snoring and I’m relegated to the dungeon, or worse the obsidian catacombs! Maybe the catacombs aren’t so bad thinking about it. I have a long metallic pin hidden in my bun, for I am a resourceful little empath!

            I’ll stop now, my Chinese takeaway just arrived.

      2. Another Cat says:

        Again, I meant no pressure on you Truthseeker, about AC. You just inspired me to write this. You inspired many commenters to tell their story.

        1. Truthseeker6157 says:

          Another Cat,

          Thank you for saying that, truly, that means a lot to me. X

    2. WokeAF says:

      Mine isn’t well respected .

      1. Another Cat says:

        Congrats for that, WokeAF. This way you are at least believed by other peoole when telling your story. I wish you and your son the best life.

        1. WhoCares says:

          Another Cat,

          Just curious – is your ex an Upper Mid-ranger?

          1. Another Cat says:

            Yes WhoCares, that is exactly what seems to be the case.

            He fits the descriptions HG has given us through the years of the Upper Midrange narcissist. Ultimately the exact quotations of an Upper Mid in The Covid-19 Interviews by HG. Façade and image of a perfect father extremely important. Very good job, extensive vocabulary, lots of greetings when he passes by elderly people. It’s extremely hard for most ppl to imagine the triangulations, covert threats, silent treatments and lies of a person like this. A man of the church too.

          2. WhoCares says:

            Another Cat,

            I am just nodding my head as I read your list.
            I believe I have recently become aware of two Upper Mid-rangers that I interact with and it is amazing the difference in facade management in comparison to my LMRN ex (some facade but limited and lacking in quality.)

            I am so sorry that is what you are dealing with and I understand the difficulty others would have seeing through the facade and believing you.

            At the same time I am so very thankful for HG’s work and knowing what to watch for…it is tricky with Upper Mid-rangers.

          3. Another Cat says:

            WhoCares wrote

            “I am just nodding my head as I read your list.”

            I can’t begin to tell you how much your understanding words mean to me.

            The endless work of coparenting with an Upper Mid is indescribable at times. This last year it’s been about maintaining only necessary minimal contact, relevant authorities, taking care of books, friends and sports after school for the kids, impossible for the outside world to notice that he doesn’t do this. On social media he is a fantastic committed parent, tonnes of photos. (blocked since 1 year).

            I am rather used to this work by now, and things are overall less worrysome with NC (instigating it made him talk to authorities), but they gradually chip away at a person, so Audio Consultation with HG, and one friend I confide in, occasional conversations like that are a great relief.

            Grateful for all supporters.

  3. December Infinity says:

    I have purchased three of the episodes so far. More to go. Listening with an open mind.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      HG approves that approach.

      1. December Infinity says:

        Of course. To listen with no expectations is much better. Enjoy the journey!

  4. NarcAngel says:

    I have begun my journey into the Dark Cupid series and am happy to report that thus far I find both content and atmosphere to be outstanding. I never doubted it would be otherwise as all of the products I have accessed to date have been. HG’s written word is quite powerful, but I find this immersion into the mind and voice of a narcissist through audio even more so. So far, I can easily see them used as narrative for a television series, and I hope that pitch has been made. I don’t see how doing the puzzle would have made any difference in my case, but not knowing what that process entails, if you are unsure if you want to access it go ahead and do the puzzle to see if that affects your decision. Any opposition by me was tied to my initial belief that you could only access it by email and by completing the exercise because nowhere was it stated “if you do not wish to participate, hop on over to Gumroad to purchase it without (what some referred to as) the “protective” process.

    It is a great time at present to access the series with the return discount if you are on the fence.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you NA, I am pleased to see you access it.

    2. Renarde says:


      Oh well done! Now you can join us in the password place! Thete are some great discussions going on there!

      1. NarcAngel says:


        I’ve been there.

        1. Renarde says:


          Have you commented? If so, I’ve missed it.

          What did you think?

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Use the forum.

          2. Renarde says:

            Sorry Hg, I was asking for a general opinion as opposed to the specific.

            I was expecting an answer such as, ‘Wasn’t for me’, ‘Not interested in sharing’ or ‘Enlightening’ or even a ‘Bloody Brilliant!’.

            Horses for courses, I guess. If I have transgressed, then I apologise.

            It was an honest question.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            No need to apologise.

          4. Renarde says:

            Thank you.

          5. fox says:

            I did not realize there was a forum associated with this.

          6. Renarde says:

            Hey fox

            There is. I believe the purchase of two of the DC episodes will allow you passworded entrance to DC. Email Hg and you get the password.


    3. Renarde says:

      Oh and just to add, it hasnt even occured to me that this could be made into a tv series!

  5. Truthseeker6157 says:

    Fellow empaths,

    Just a gentle reminder. There are four days to go before the end of the month. HG graciously offered to match our donations to the Angel Assistance Fund during September. People like us need our help to feel better. Please consider donating even a small amount to this very worthwhile fund. Now is the time to do it. We can help make a difference.

    Much love,
    Truthseeker x

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I endorse your reminder TS, thank you for speaking up. There have been some most generous donors but they are few in number.

      1. Truthseeker6157 says:

        Thank you for your continued support and generosity in this HG.

      2. Emma286 says:

        I don’t mean this question rudely, but how can anybody here be sure that you don’t keep this donated money for yourself?

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Because they know the relevant individuals who have been assisted (see Testimonials and expressions of thanks from readers on the blog) and through emails which are sent by the grateful recipients. Also, I am not stupid.

          1. Witch says:

            We are gonna start needing an annual break down. I want a colourful pie chart and everything
            (Don’t hurt me)

          2. Emma286 says:

            “Because they know the relevant individuals who have been assisted (see Testimonials and expressions of thanks from readers on the blog)”

            Thanks, I’ll see if I can find those amongst the archives.

            “Also, I am not stupid.”

            I do believe you on this. Still, I’m sure that there are smart ways people can go about that kind of thing if inclined to.

          3. Emma286 says:

            By the way HG, think it’s only fair to point out that no one person here can see the emails you receive from others can they? If you weren’t intending to mislead me, why did you offer that as part of your answer to me?

          4. HG Tudor says:

            No because they are governed by confidentiality, something I respect more than certain individuals do incidentally. I explained that in my answer to you because in certain instances beneficiaries of the scheme give their consent to redacted (to protect personal information) emails being provided to donors explaining why they need help and also conveying their gratitude for the assistance provided. Furthermore, in some instances donors wish to convey their best wishes to the assisted and therefore again redacted emails are provided. I explained this to you to demonstrate the bona fides of the scheme, which as has been pointed out to you, was requested by readers. The administration of the AAF is not insignificant and no charge is administered for that.

          5. MB says:

            Emma286, I assisted other readers long before the AAF when certain stories “spoke” to me on the blog. I emailed HG one day long ago and asked if it would be possible for me to pay for another readers’ consultation. Of course he had to be the go between for confidentiality on both sides as I didn’t want the reader to know. (Receiving charity would embarrass me and make me feel I owed a debt. Neither of which I want recipients to feel.) And so it began. I enjoy paying forward for the tremendous help
            I’ve received here. It makes me feel good to assist, so it is quite selfish really!

            One the formal AAF was started, I can attest to what HG writes about the redacted emails being sent in request for help. I can certainly understand your concern with trust. The way I approach giving is this, you give with pure intentions and an open heart. What is done with the money is out of your control. This goes for giving to panhandlers on the street or any charity. I’ve heard people say, “I won’t give them money because they’re just going to buy drugs or alcohol. They won’t buy food anyway.” What they buy with it isn’t your concern. The fact that you shared your good fortune with another in need is what counts. You have to give and let it go. And never, ever, in any instance is there an obligation to give. “Obligation” and “give” are mutually exclusive terms.

          6. HG Tudor says:

            Very well stated MB.

          7. K says:

            I give money to the homeless so they can buy heroin, booze or food. Whatever they need; I don’t dictate how the money should be spent. They need to survive.

        2. Eternity says:

          HG, doesnt do that. He has helped me several times and I an extremely grateful! If it wasnt for the AAF I would not achieve freedom. So thank you for the donors that have contributed,and to HG for having this program. Big Hugs to all xoxo

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you Eternity.

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            So happy to be a part of this place. Big hugs back at you Eternity xoxo

          3. Emma286 says:

            Bearing in mind your comments. Thanks for sharing.

        3. FYC says:

          Emma, Please try to see the bigger picture here. HG’s costs in time and resources exceed his donations by a factor of at least 100x. There are not nearly enough contributors and the need for his counsel by those who either do not have funds or cannot access their funds is monumental. I have been a regular supporter for some time and can assure you, the AAF program is essential and HG’s counsel dramatically changes lives (and no doubt saves some lives as well) for the better.

          Now, to state the obvious, all funds go to HG. It is his business and his income. Much like when you go to see a therapist, they keep the money you pay them. In the AAF, we contribute, so another can benefit. It is a win-win. It is not scandalous, it is expected. I am grateful these people have the AAF to help them. What would be the motivation for HG to do so in the absence of the AAF? And that said, HG very often matches donations by way of donating his time. Pretty remarkable.

          Regardless, HG deserves the rewards of his investment and his creation. His expenses are significant and his time is exceedingly valuable. I do understand your fears in supporting a narcissist, but in this case, I firmly believe them to be unfounded.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you FYC.

        4. Truthseeker6157 says:


          I understand why you ask that question. HG has himself given examples of narcissists who have extorted very vulnerable people financially. So I get where you are coming from.

          HG in his real life context is different to the HG here. Would I lend HG money in real life? Logically, no. He’s a narcissist. He’d skin me alive and not care a jot, smoke a nice cigar and swirl his brandy.

          However, the blog is an entirely different ball game. HG is protective of his readership here. Let’s not put an emotional context on that. He operates according to the Prime Aims. He is very clear about that. This blog is a business, it is a learning vehicle that benefits him and us equally. It is also as HG describes, ‘his legacy’. His books, articles teaching and profile will live on beyond him. As such, he will guard his legacy fiercely.

          He doesn’t need a fast buck by stealing from AAF. The risk of exposure and subsequent damage to his legacy isn’t worth it. I would hazard a guess every penny is accounted for and let’s not forget he also contributes to this fund himself. Maybe for tax reasons, who knows. The end result is the same. Our money goes to the people who need assistance and we get to see the impact it has either via testimonials, or by comments here on the blog. Most charities you donate to, you have no idea where your money goes but it’s a pretty safe bet it doesn’t go to the malnourished puppy on the screen. I might be an empath, but I’m not conned in that respect. Few charities are run efficiently. The empaths on the blog actually requested the AAF be set up. HG supported them in that request. AAF will be fun very efficiently indeed.

          Lastly, he does actually care about his readers. Not in the way you or I would care. HG has to win. Each reader has a narcissist, every reader who escapes thanks to HG’s work will count as a win. We are valued on the blog, an extension of HG, he will do everything he can to ensure we are successful in defeating the narcissist because we are on his team. He understands our ‘enemy’ and knows how to secure the win. He’ll even say the correct thing to make us feel better when ET is high. Why? ET makes us vulnerable, vulnerable risks us turning to the narc, vulnerable risks a loss. Skimming the AAF would prevent new people accessing his material, fewer wins, lesser legacy.

          I could go on. Emma I see why you ask the question. You are brave to do so. Honestly, I think your donation would be safer and more effective going to AAF than anywhere else.😊

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Well stated and thank you.

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            You’re welcome.

        5. Another Cat says:


          Today I was lucky enough to get financial support from other readers of this blog, to get me an Audio Consultation. I was in great need, uncertain about budget. The analysis and encouragement from HG helped me through. The advice was about coparenting with a narcissist as a single mother, and finding peace for the kids. Much needed when one is put through tiresome manipulation tactics and threats. Can be rather isolating.

          Emma, the transfer of support is real. I got it.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you AC.

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Everyone will be happy To hear you received the information you needed Another Cat. AAF is doing its job splendidly. Thank you for posting this x

          3. WhoCares says:

            Another Cat,

            I didn’t know you were also a single mother co-parenting with a narcissist. So glad to hear that, through the AAF, you were able to access HG’s assistance.

            Co-parenting with a narc can be rough and HG’s advice in this area is sound.

          4. mommypino says:

            Another Cat,

            I’m so happy that you got the consultation that you need.💕

          5. Another Cat says:

            Truthseeker, WhoCares MommyPino

            Thank you for your kind words, makes me feel more encouraged.

            I usually try to purchase the important packages and books from HG, but this week help was needed (pestering neighbour, who is friends with the narcissist bringing my ET high) when budget was insecure, so I got help with 2/3. I hope I can donate some to AAF another month.

            Because receiving help and consultation is a real relief.

          6. Fiddleress says:

            Another Cat
            I am so glad to know that you could have this audio consultation with HG!

            I was a single mother coparenting with a narcissist too, except that I did not know the father was a narcissist, and I had not come across HG and KTN. So again, I am really glad that you have access to this unique assistance.
            Sending plenty of support your way, AC.

          7. Eternity says:

            Another Cat, I wish you and your children all the best ! As a mother myself I can only imagine what you are going through.

          8. Emma286 says:

            Will bear what you said in mind. Thanks for sharing.

        6. Asp Emp says:

          I’ve been fortunate to find this site by accident less than 3 months ago. I am flabbergasted by what I have learnt and by the support from others on this site. I can tell you that HG is – well – in reality there is no words to describe – is really a nice guy (my words, I don’t care what anyone else says). Even though he describes himself as to what empaths may abhor and love but that is the way ‘life’ is. Narcissists V Empaths. Empaths V Narcissists. It is not a war. It is a war. It is not a battle of who is best. It is (in the minds of a narcissist). We have to live with it. Yet, we don’t. That is what this site is all about. Learn about narcissism. Learn about empaths. It will always be Black and White, or White and Black. There is no Grey – in the narcissist’s mind. Even the most ‘experienced’ empaths still have difficulties with narcissists – that is the way it is (well, according to narcissists, anyway). You have to either a) accept them as part of the world, or b) hate them and cut yourself off the reality of life.

          I didn’t get ‘involved’ in this ‘matter’ or question of HG’s “handling” of KTN or donations or funding. WFT. KTN is here, and is free to join, free to comment, free to rant. It’s here. I love it. And I love it that the other empaths behave like ‘hornets’ when they feel or think KTN (or even HG) is ‘being attacked’. HG sometimes comes across like a lioness protecting her cubs when it comes to KTN being under some ‘attack’ in some way.

          I was given the opportunity to access support material from KTN (HG actually) from the AAF. Honestly, if I had the funds, I would give to this charitable fund more than any fund – as people matter – people ‘manage’ (but don’t really manage!) the world. People’s actions affect the world. Animals are vulnerable. Empaths are (narcissists, sigh….. OMG). Narcissists are also vulnerable. Maybe what I have to say is FK all to some – I don’t care. WTF. KTN is here. That matters. To me. Right now. Animals of the world will survive because of it.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you Asp Emp.

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            I love this Asp. The world just keeps on turning doesn’t it ? Xx

          3. Asp Emp says:

            Thank you TS. Yes, it’s a miracle – with all these people on it 😉 x

        7. Violetta says:

          I’ve been underemployed for some time, and Tudorites have donated materials for me, without my even asking! I got them and found them helpful. Even those that didn’t apply directly to me (Knowing HG) were fascinating, and reminded me how I used to love researching different sources, music and art as well as literature, to fill out my understanding of an issue.

          I am starting a new job, and depending on how my future budget goes, I intend to pass on the knowledge. Some people come here in crisis mode, terrified of physical attack by a narc ex, of having their kids turned against them in a smear campaign, of having their employment jeopardized by a stalker. People helped me when I was just depressed and confused over previous narc experiences, so I have no qualms about contributing to someone who may have good reason to panic right now.

          Btw, as someone who taught college English for 20 years, I can tell you that posts and testimonials on Narcsite have distinct “voices.” We’ve all seen those reviews on Amazon where all the glowing praise was obviously written by the same person. That is not the case here. Frequently, HG will allow a recurring troll to post, and even though some trolls try to change their gravatars or back-stories, we can usually tell who they are.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you Violetta.

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Congratulations on your new job Violetta. Tough time to find one just now. Your brilliance clearly stood out from the crowd!

          3. Fiddleress says:

            I second every word Truthseeker wrote. Really pleased for you, Violetta.

          4. NarcAngel says:

            All the best to you in your new job.

          5. FYC says:

            Very happy for you, V. Congratulations! I hope you enjoy your new job and I am certain those you pass on HG’s information to will greatly benefit.

          6. Violetta says:

            Thanks for all your good wishes. I’m asking Catholics to pray exclusively to Sister Denise Bergon that I don’t get into any major conflicts with work narcs for at least 1 year. If it happens, I’m submitting it to the Vatican as evidence for sainthood.

          7. Renarde says:



        8. Renarde says:


          A good question which I am happy to answer. I accessed the fund. I knew what I paid. A contribution and not the full amount.

          1. Emma286 says:

            Thanks Renarde. Appreciate the post share.

          2. Renarde says:

            No worries Emma.

        9. Miss_AGL says:

          Dear Emma,
          I understand your concerns. I know that many people have already shared their experiences with you about the AAF, but as someone who has been helped by the AAF many times, I truly need to share my thoughts.
          I do not feel comfortable revealing personal info about myself, but I will tell you a few things just because I want to make it clear what a huge role has had in my life the existence of that fund. (English is not my maternal language, so please forgive my mistakes).
          I live in a country where there are no abuse-shelters or homeless-shelters anywhere. No one here gives a shit (I curse… a lot. If that will make you feel uncomfortable, please feel free to ignore my comment.) if you were abused, raped, if these experiences left you traumatized, or if you lost your job due to the pandemic, you are agoraphobic and you are forced to live under the same roof with a narcissistic mother/monster in order not to die on the streets. And if you say “You know what? Fuck this! Even homelessness is better than this”, you really CAN’T end up homeless here. Because A. Υou will become a national joke. “We don’t have homeless people here! Everything is so perfect, we are one big happy family! So why did YOU end up homeless? How dare you insult our country in this way?” and B. You will eventually literally die on the streets.
          Also, there is no such thing as “free therapy” or “free psychological help” here. I mean yeah, there is a phone line for abuse victims with “experts” psychologists who don’t have a fucking clue what narcissistic abuse is or what “narcissism” means and they tell you “amazing”, “helpful” things like “Think positive! Kids die in Africa.” or “Are you sure that this happened? I mean he was your boyfriend, maybe he didn’t want to hurt you.” or “If you kill yourself God will punish you.” etc.
          I could go on and on…
          I was sinking into depression when I found HG’s blog. And the first time he helped me he didn’t even know my name or my story or where I live… I owe a massive “thank you” to him and to every person out there who contributed financially so I can get brilliant, life-changing material from the knowledge vault and have the chance to speak directly to Mr. Tudor… Τhe audio consultations with him helped my mental health tremendously in so many different ways and If it wasn’t for the AAF I would not be able to talk to him again and again. So…. believe me, the AAF not only is changing lives but also- in some cases- is literally saving lives. I’m sorry for the long message! x

    2. NarcAngel says:


      Thank you for the timely reminder.

    3. Fiddleress says:

      Hi TS

      Indeed there are four days to go still, which is good because I get paid in two days. That is what I am waiting for, before I can make a more generous donation than I have been able to this month.
      But it is good of you to remind everyone, for all those who can donate generously.

      1. Fiddleress says:

        Done, to the best of my capacities for the moment, but not for the last time.
        Happy to know others will be assisted, as I know only too well how precious the consultations (for instance, but not only) are.

        1. Truthseeker6157 says:

          I have never had an audio consultation Fiddleress. I think that’s because I know what my issues are, and don’t trust anyone else to solve them. Some I don’t believe will be solved. I don’t think I’ll ever dislike the narc for one. I think I’m supposed to. I don’t, I think I’ll always view him as a friend due to the things that were discussed and the things he helped me with. That’s probably the last link for me. The last bond.

          I’d be tempted to get a fix on where my ET is at. I think it’s very low. I’m not sure how that can be established during a consult. Above all, I know what I’m like and I’d be so busy trying to get a read on HG, listening for inflection, pauses, analysing everything, I’d miss out on the message about my own stuff. Ha ha. I am my own worst enemy at times!

          1. HG Tudor says:

            You do require assistance with your ET.

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            I feel fine HG. Honestly.

            You think my ET is high because I don’t hate the Narc?

          3. HG Tudor says:

            No, because of the content of your comment.

          4. Truthseeker6157 says:

            You mean the solving of issues part?

            Some things I think you just live with. Like a twinge in your lower back when you’re in the gym. Doesn’t mean you don’t go to the gym.
            You deal with it.

          5. HG Tudor says:

            I have never had an audio consultation Fiddleress. I think that’s because I know what my issues are, (emotional thinking) and don’t trust anyone else to solve them (emotional thinking) Some I don’t believe will be solved(ET) . I don’t think I’ll ever dislike the narc for one (ET). I think I’m supposed to (ET) . I don’t, I think I’ll always view him as a friend due to the things that were discussed and the things he helped me with.(ET) That’s probably the last link for me. The last bond.

            I’d be tempted to get a fix on where my ET is at. I think it’s very low. (ET) I’m not sure how that can be established during a consult. (Does not need to be established during a consult your comments demonstrate it is not very low) Above all, I know what I’m like and I’d be so busy trying to get a read on HG, listening for inflection, pauses, analysing everything, I’d miss out on the message about my own stuff. Ha ha. I am my own worst enemy at times!

          6. Leigh says:

            Truthseeker6157, maybe Mr. Tudor thinks your ET needs work because you consider the narc your friend still. Narcs don’t do real friendship. They only think about themselves. Thinking he is a friend might leave the door open for other things to happen. For what its worth, you seem pretty balanced to me. But what the heck do I know, I was ensnared by a narc, lol.

          7. Renarde says:


            It’s of course up to you but I also think a consult is in order.

            I think it would help lovely. There is a huge blindspot there

          8. Truthseeker6157 says:


            You make a valid point. You are exactly right. I understand the concern here. The concern is exactly as you said. By insisting on viewing the narc as a friend it suggests that the door is left open to future hoovers.

            In my defence, I’ve had two already and didn’t respond. That means of contact has now been closed down. I am following the rules.

            The Narc had his own agenda and used me for fuel. You are correct. He shouldn’t be viewed as a friend, also correct.

            He has no emotional empathy so the relationship could never provide what I need. As such, it ends. There is no point going back or chatting as friends or anything else. He is now placed in a box and figuratively buried under the patio. I won’t go back or engage in any contact. That decision is made and I abide by it.

            Don’t sell yourself short Leigh, you were ensnared. That qualifies you to comment just like anyone else 😊

          9. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Thank you for explaining HG.

            I will accept that my ET rises with regards to the Narc. Only if I dwell. Which I control. I understand the rules. I apply them. My ET is not high other than in this one area, and I think that’s understandable. I am not cloudy, I can think clearly, I feel good. I’m moving forward, have started all kinds of new things and met new people. You can’t say my comments aren’t logical on the blog, they are logical, well researched and well considered even if they are wrong a lot of the time in KHG! I couldn’t do that if I was cloudy and my ET was high.

            My PT is a narc. Mid Range, almost certain. I spotted it, I’m not concerned by it and have no intention of being ensnared by another narc. So my radar even works.

            I don’t trust other people to solve my problems. I’m the fixer not the fixed. That’s not a recent development. I don’t believe my attachment to the narc will ever be solved despite knowing all was an illusion, I was used for fuel and he had absolutely zero attachment to me. I have a choice there though and due to my understanding of narcissism I choose not to act on it. The absence of emotional empathy swung it for me. Nothing you can do with that, other than Deal With It.

            Honestly, I’m fine. Defensive now, but fine.

          10. HG Tudor says:

            Nobody intends to get ensnared by a narcissist but it still happens repeatedly. It is your choice as to what you do of course, but your ET is higher than you realise and continues to be demonstrated as such.

          11. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Hey Renarde,

            I see the blindspot. I’m aware of it. I’ve read pretty much everything that has been written. Going over and over it sometimes just doesn’t solve it. Fortunately, I’m stubborn as they come x

          12. Leigh says:

            Hi Truthseeker6157, to me, you sound like you’re ET is low. You recognize that he’s a narc and incapable of giving you what you need and there’s no point in having any contact with him. I think that logical thinking. Maybe you just had a moment of weakness. They do that to us alot.

          13. HG Tudor says:

            That is why I am the expert Leigh and you are not! You are correct in identifying logical thinking but there is significant ET there as I have pointed out.

          14. Fiddleress says:

            You are one of the readers/commenters that I really appreciate here, so please take what I am about to write as friendly, because it is, really.
            I do not think that you mean that people who choose to consult with HG are lost souls who don’t know what their issues are and count on someone else (HG) to solve them for them, though to a new reader here, this is what it might sound like. But HG has explained, I see, that it is your ET speaking.
            I know what my issues are, I also know myself well enough to be aware that I can drown in a glass of water (as we say in French), or get overwhelmed by my ET or emotions in general.

            Consulting with HG does not mean that I expect him to solve my issues for me. You have accessed his work, and you know how extremely helpful it is, and being able to speak with HG especially when you have high ET comes as a great complement and is incredibly helpful, because the personal factor is totally taken into consideration. I need to talk things out, and having someone (HG) who is an expert on this issue, to talk to directly, is the best thing that has happened to me in these circumstances.

            I haven’t posted here about everything I have gone through since I came across the blog in February, but I have been through such upheavals,, and HG has been the only person I have been able to speak to about those emotions caused by my close connections with various narcissists. Only he could understand exactly what was going on, not judge, and assist me in order to put things in perspective, and pull through it all. (Am I saying he really gets me, and he is the only one who gets me? Haha, I might well be! And not only ‘me’, of course). But seriously, I wouldn’t be where I am today – i.e., on an upward spiral – without these consultations, on top of what I have read and listened to here.

            Also, no you are not supposed to dislike your narc. The best is to stop thinking anything of them, I think. I know I am not there yet, although I do not spend time thinking about the latest ‘romantic’ narcissist any longer. But the feeling I had of being burnt to the third degree with that person still plays out in other situations, so I am not done with him completely yet.

            It is only before you have ever spoken with HG that you find it daunting. Minutes into the conversation, you feel comfortable and everything goes very, very well indeed.
            I come out all the better for it each time.

          15. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you Fiddleress, I am pleased to read that.

          16. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Understood HG.
            Thank you I’ll keep that in mind.

          17. FYC says:

            Hello TS, I appreciate your view of your experience and that you take personal responsibility to solve your own problems. That said, I believe you will be amazed by what you gain from a consult with HG, in ways that you cannot imagine or predict. HG is brilliant, understanding, logical, and above all accurate and effective. He impresses me very much and I am not easily impressed. His insight and understanding of not only narcissism, but empaths, is unparalleled. It may seem odd, but HG may know us better than we know ourselves in some ways. To not have a consult would be an enormous missed opportunity of a blast of insight and deep wisdom. There are not many people in your lifetime that you will have this experience with. This may sound like a giant load of flattery, but I assure you it is not. It is factual.

            Everyone has a blind spot, if you can see it, it is not your blind spot. Think of awareness and efficacy in a four quadrants model. The upper left is that which you know you know and you are effective. The lower left quadrant is that which you are aware of, but not effective. The upper right quadrant is that which you are unaware of, yet are effective. The lower right quadrant is that which you unaware of and ineffective. Use this as a road map to understanding your situation. I would say, you know some things and practice them well (quadrant one), you also are unaware of some things you are doing right (quadrant two), you are aware of things you would benefit by changing (quadrant three) and you are unaware of things your are not recognizing as holding back your possible progress and protection (quadrant four).

            You do not need a consult for the first quadrant (though you will be recognized for your progress or ability). You will benefit from a consult in the second and third quadrants and HG will help you substantially if not absolutely move those elements/issue to the first quadrant. You will find a consult *life-changing* for those things that exist in your fourth quadrant. This I guarantee.

            Of course, I always wish you the very best and want you to succeed. I take no issue with your concept of having a net positive opinion of some of the things you shared, but seeing them for what they are is important. All people can have good experiences together, but if one’s actions are based upon manipulation/gain for their (unconscious or conscious) Prime Aims, it negates the concept of friendship and love because it is a transaction. Please do not feel defensive. Your comments are appreciated on the blog. No one is criticizing you in the least and every one of us has a blind spot. We all just want you to be set up to succeed, not only from your past, but for the future as well. You will come to treasure your consult as an amazing gift to yourself.

          18. Truthseeker6157 says:


            Thank you for your comment and your understanding of what was meant by mine. I really appreciate that, you know me very well x.

            You are right in that I did not mean that anyone accessing HG’s work, or consultations lacks strength or is incapable of solving their own problems. Far from it, the opposite is true. I have accessed his work and would have been lost without it. I was very lost when I arrived here and feel much much better. That is down to HG and the readers here, no one else.

            I see consultations as being a way of accessing a lot of information very quickly and the advantage of being able to explain yourself precisely can only target this information more accurately. I have no doubt that HG is utterly charming and I’m sure I would enjoy the experience.

            When you have a consultation, I imagine, usually something happens in your daily life and you feel your reaction is linked to the damage sustained by the narcissist. There are questions that need to be asked. Or, it might be earlier, this happened and how do I handle it? How do I stop this happening? There is a narcissist somewhere in your life, causing trouble. Any number or combination of situations or questions. For me, I have no questions. I have no troublesome narcissist in my life. I have absolutely nothing to say about my past narcissist that I haven’t already said, replayed, thought about or reconciled. I am very much resigned to things now. I have no questions to be answered because I have nothing to say on it. That’s a tough starter. HG has a lot of people that need his help. I don’t want to waste his time.

            Secondly, and without going into detail. I do know what the issue is and it cannot be solved. The issue is linked to what was going on at the time the narcissist arrived on the scene and what continued to go on for a long time after. So, I know why the bond is there. It has nothing to do with narcissism or the narcissist himself. He was just in the right place at the right time. I know what the issue is therefore and I am not willing to discuss it. That isn’t I’m not willing to discuss it with HG. I’m not willing to discuss it at all.

            People come to me with problems, they confide in me. Not the other way round. It’s the way it is and I understand and welcome that. I think about every comment I write here and I think about every comment I read. Far longer than I should. I really do try to help new readers and I’ll share experiences if I think they might help someone. I am selective though. I don’t confide naturally. In this sense I solve my problems myself. Not because I think I’m better than anyone else, the opposite, I’m just not good with confiding!

            I’m glad you pointed out to me the way I came across. I’m more thankful you know me well enough to interpret my comments the way they were meant. I would never undermine the effectiveness of what HG does in consultation or elsewhere. To do that would prevent people getting the help they need. That’s not what I’m about. I apologise if that is the way it sounded.

            Thank you Fiddleress x

          19. HG Tudor says:

            Nobody wastes my time when they seek assistance thought consultation and that includes you too, TS.

          20. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Hello FYC x

            Thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts and the process. I like the idea of that. Splitting things up into quadrants and looking at each part feels logical to me, I could work with that. I know, like Fiddleress, you understand what I meant with my comment. I’m very thankful for the support and understanding here, it’s comforting to be understood like that. This place is very special.

            I do agree with you. I am shocked by the level of understanding HG has for us as empaths. He may well as you say know us better than we know ourselves. You would expect the instant understanding of situations relating to the narcissist. When I first arrived here, I didn’t expect such understanding with regards to the empath. It’s clearly there though.

            I will think about what you said FYC. Maybe I can’t see my blindspot, I don’t know. My original comment to Fiddleress about not having had a consultation was more or less a throw away comment. I felt I was doing well, low ET, moving on, happier. I’m thinking about the narc far less than ever, so have more mental space for other things. My view was / is I am fine, to such a degree I would waste a consultation trying to analyse HG whilst secretly clue hunting, the odd loaded question here and there, analysing the response ha ha! I didn’t expect HG to pick up on anything amiss. In respect of HG’s comment and those of other readers I am re evaluating how I’m doing. My ET is now high. I’m tearful. It didn’t feel high before his comment, so now I need to figure out why.

            Thank you for understanding FYC x

          21. Emma286 says:

            “I don’t think I’ll ever dislike the narc for one. I think I’m supposed to. I don’t, I think I’ll always view him as a friend due to the things that were discussed and the things he helped me with.”

            I take it he didn’t abuse you?

          22. Leigh says:

            Mr. Tudor says, That is why I am the expert Leigh and you are not! You are correct in identifying logical thinking but there is significant ET there as I have pointed out.

            Mr. Tudor, I agree 100% You are most definitely, the expert. My knowledge on narcissism is next to nil. My comment wasn’t to undermine your expertise. I apologize. My comment to Truthseeker was just to make her feel better. I didn’t want her to be so down on herself. Her comments always make me feel better about my own battles. I just wanted to reciprocate a little bit.

          23. HG Tudor says:

            Leigh, you need not apologise, I understand you were not undermining my expertise as it remained intact through my correct. Do understand however that inaccuracy so you feel a bit better serves no useful purpose. You will not like what I tell you but by applying what I tell you, you will stop hurting and you will achieve freedom.

          24. Truthseeker6157 says:

            No Emma, he never abused me.

          25. NarcAngel says:

            When you say he never abused you, do you mean physically?

          26. Truthseeker6157 says:


            That’s a kind thing to say. Thank you

          27. HG Tudor says:

            It is the effective point to make and you are welcome.

          28. Truthseeker6157 says:


            You made me smile there. That’s why this place works so well for so many. HG delivers the uncomfortable truth of the situation. The empaths swoop in with support for each other. Just as you demonstrated.

            Our comments might not always be completely correct as we are still learning, but the support within them can still be felt. I appreciate you standing next to me.

          29. Truthseeker6157 says:


            He didn’t abuse me physically.
            He didn’t attack me verbally.
            He did manipulate for fuel and extensively.
            Within this though, he also supported. The only person I ever fully confided in.
            Lesson learned.

          30. Renarde says:

            Fiddleress, Truth Seeker, FYC, Leigh

            Again, I am always left utterly astounded by your kindness and compassion towards others.

            There are too many points to address directly. I have read them and again, it shows remarkable courage to pause, self-reflect then respond with truth empathy.

            Instead, I will talk about ‘blind spots’ and the Audio Consults.

            I know I have my BS. No question. As weaponised as I am, quite a few were going on for me say 2 months ago. They are still there. I did not like how I had begun to act on here. The ‘buffer zone’ between ET and ER had become eroded away.

            I take responsibility for that. And my own healing. I’m a ACON and I understand that very early on, the way I think was permanently changed. So I have to find ‘work arounds’. Which I can do as long as the gap between ET and ER remains large.

            On Consults. I have been doing this for a little over two years. The first one I had, I was nervous too. I even told Hg that. Of course, he did put me at ease and the Consults now are very different to the ones back then.

            Usually now I’ll just launch into some tirade about something.

            Going back to BS’s. Two examples of when I got it right and when I got it wrong.

            A few weeks ago a person, who I did not know, launched a character assassination on here.

            I leapt from reading it from calm to almost incandescent anger within a millisecond. How fucking DARE they? I will hunt them down and eviscerate. My ER said, put it down. Right now and walk away. So I did.

            The second was my father. He poked and prodded and before I knew it, I was tearing him a new one. Not good. Not good at all.

            All unaware narcs are so eerily similiar. The person who attacked me did so before. Months ago. Probably still watching me now. They will try again.

            We can call them BS or ‘bear traps’. Once it gets triggered, it’s important that Empaths understand we have a choice.

            Great comments folks. I always learn something here.

          31. Beguiled says:

            HG – I can understand an audio consultation if someone still has the Narc in their life and needs real time, specific, instruction on how to escape and understand how their ET is flaring up, in order to combat their specific situation .

            Otherwise, it seems that your existing audio files are very effective as a tool to replay over and over for continued and deeper understanding of what the narcissist is, how to remain free of their abuse, who we are as Empaths and how to lower our ET in order to remain free. I specifically mention audio files bacause hearing the words in your own voice is compelling.

            TS has no specific issue to deal with other than remain free of her narcissist. Yes, she needs to stop thinking about the narcissist (!), but you have “The FInal Battle” which is highly effective and I have personally listened to a dozen or more times.

            For myself, even if I make mistakes, and there are many, I know I have made them, and I know what I need to do. I know what you will say, based on your vast body of work. Will a consultation be useful? I haven’t, yet, for budgetary reasons. Actually, next on my list is the Empath Detector…

            I always go back to the audio files and listen to your powerful words.

          32. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you, the audio consultation is applicable to all manner of circumstances and TS still has the narcissist in her life because he continues to have an impact on her. The consultation allows me to impart a wide range of relevant information to you, to ensure you understand through your responses and allows you to answer questions bespoke to your situation. It is my most popular service and the testimonials as to its effectiveness speak for themselves. You will achieve freedom by utilising them.

          33. Witch says:

            I’m not trying to make assumptions here about how this person behaved with you but I once had a BF narc midranger and he never hit me or verbally abused me either but as far as I’m concerned he’s still emotionally abusive and tried to take the piss out of my life.
            Yeah he helped me during the very short lived golden period but after that was over, he proceeded to try and make me feel crazy for 2-3 months before I ended it completely.

            I can give you examples for the purpose of understanding:
            . He tried to isolate me from my best friend

            .he used the fact that im not Jewish against me, to triangulate me with his family and another woman

            .he would try to pressure me into a sexual act I didn’t want to do

            .he would never give me a straight forward answer so I never fully understand what the status of our relationship was

            .he told me one of the reasons he had a problem with me is because I didn’t list all the reasons I loved him often enough llooolllll so like a fucking iiidddiiiooottt dog I actually gave him a list of all the reasons I loved him. Humiliating!

            There are subtle ways of torturing someone emotionally which in my view is still abusive

          34. Asp Emp says:

            Hello Truthseeker, I have been reading all the comments to and fro, including HG’s own responses.

            I note in your comments “I know what the issue is therefore and I am not willing to discuss it. That isn’t I’m not willing to discuss it with HG. I’m not willing to discuss it at all” and “Within this though, he also supported. The only person I ever fully confided in. Lesson learned.”

            Am I correct in assuming that you are simply not ready – yet – or never will be. It comes across that you had told this “friend” something that is very personal to you. It’s also apparent that you’re deeply hurt that this “friend” has seemingly ‘supported’ you but has now gone and done what the majority of narcissists do. I get that – that is how I felt. I also understand why it may come across that the “ET” levels are high when in reality to you (and me), that we are probably still numb with all the trauma around it all – because one person let us down.

            Like HG says – the bond is there until one or other other dies. I think in some ways, I can understand a narcissist’s dark creature / void because of the deep down emotional pain that my own narcissist caused me to feel. So, when you, TS, say “the bond is still there”, you are right. At times, I don’t talk to people unless I have worked it out for myself, at other times, there is no point in talking because they don’t get it. Either way, you contribute a lot to this site. Technology & finances are the only barriers to why I have not yet done a consult with HG. I hope you do decide to consult with HG, one day, only when you are ready. Best wishes, Asp Emp.

          35. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Hi Witch,

            I just can’t imagine the Witch I read here writing a ‘Reasons I Love You’ list! You made me giggle there. The things they can get us to do, the ways they can change our thinking, it’s amazing really. Done in such a beautiful way during the golden period and so harshly thereafter.
            The stories I read here are truly heartbreaking in some cases. I can totally understand how the slow decline happens, truly devastating.
            I don’t have the same horror story to tell. No descent into devaluation. At least not in a recognisable way like many.
            I understand what you mean. There are ways of abusing someone that are more subtle. A chipping away or prolonged behaviour which changes your view of what normal actually is. It’s subjective I think too. It depends on upbringing, relationship history, all kinds of factors. What looks like abuse to you might not to me and vice versa. Such is the elegance of the narcissist I suppose.
            The Mid Range Narc you mention used Threatened Loss. Mine did the same. A Mid Range staple. I believe that one is Chapter 2 in Narc 101. It comes before ‘Silence is Golden’ but after ‘How to Do the Perfect Stare.’

          36. Fiddleress says:

            Truthseeker, first I hope you are no longer feeling tearful, and thank you for your last reply.
            What you wrote there: “The only person I ever fully confided in.
            Lesson learned.”, I found sad.
            If you think that you cannot confide in anyone again because you confided in… what turned out to be the wrong person, then that is his victory, and that is sad. There are people that you can confide in who will not betray your trust (I don’t mean here, necessarily). They do exist.
            Don’t let that individual make you feel isolated for good.
            Hugs to you, TS.

            (Re a different thread but can’t find your comment: I only asked if you’d watched Excalibur because you had mentioned Carmina Burana, and we had spoken about the film, but no rush, no pressure at all !)

          37. Witch says:

            Thank you for acknowledging I’m not this type of person. I’m not that romantic. I’m man dem.
            “Oh you need £50 for petrol? Okay here you go”
            But don’t expect a damn love letter. Even the letter HG posted here from his ex… I mean no offence to her because she sounds like a wonderful person but reading that letter made me feel sick! What was it? “A prince among men”
            But I came out of my comfort zone and sent him a list of reasons I loved him. The violation!!! The thought that he may have saved the message is burning my chest. Almost makes me want to break into his house (sorry his parents house) and steal his computer and his phone.

            And yep he used threatened loss frequently towards the end and it’s not normal to make your partner feel that you’re going to leave them for any little thing that annoys you and it is abusive in my opinion

          38. FYC says:

            Thank you, TS. Some thoughts on your last paragraph follow in [ ]:

            Maybe I can’t see my blindspot [This is the very nature of blindspots. We think we know something but we are not yet able to see what we do not see/know.] I don’t know [None of us do, that is the problem and also the reason why counsel from HG is invaluable–he sees what we are not seeing. He does not judge, he offers you brilliant clarity and sound reason.] My original comment to Fiddleress about not having had a consultation was more or less a throw away comment. I felt I was doing well, low ET, moving on, happier. [These are all signs of progress. Please do not discount these. Yet like anything else, the more you see and understand, the more you realize what you did not see or understand.] I’m thinking about the narc far less than ever, so have more mental space for other things. My view was / is I am fine, to such a degree I would waste a consultation trying to analyse HG whilst secretly clue hunting [This made be laugh!], the odd loaded question here and there, analysing the response ha ha! [I understand you thinking this, but this will not happen with HG.] I didn’t expect HG to pick up on anything amiss. [None of us do. That is the wonderful and amazing brilliance of HG: He sees past our emotions, keenly understands our position as well as our desires and drivers, cuts through the misperceptions, sees well past our blindspots and delivers exactly what is needed before we are aware it is needed]. In respect of HG’s comment and those of other readers I am re evaluating how I’m doing. My ET is now high. I’m tearful. [TS I am sending you a big hug. Please do not internalize any of this as criticism, it is not. Celebrate your progress! Just know that your journey is beginning and is not finished. In fact, if you are most wise, it will be a lifetime process. If you embrace this, you will unleash your potential and decrease your blindspots significantly. The way in which know we are doing this is in our moments of epiphany. We always think we know, until we know otherwise. What I have learned is, whatever I know now, I will know more tomorrow and every day thereafter. I pursue this with passion. The learning, epiphanies, progress, setbacks, integration progress, blindspots, revelations, progress, etc., is wonderful. I laugh at my failures because they teach me success. Everything is a blessing.] It didn’t feel high before his comment, so now I need to figure out why. [I know you will. Please do not be hard on yourself. Over the past three years here, I have had many, many epiphanies. My life has changed both subtlety and dramatically. My awareness has grown exponentially. This is why I would not want you to limit yourself. Stay open. Consider all things. Congratulations on your progress! Now go forth and learn more and enjoy the process because it never ends.💞]

          39. NarcAngel says:

            I bet when you made your initial comment you didn’t think it would spur a full out intervention. Concern is nice, and consultation definitely beneficial, but I am a bit uncomfortable just reading what seems to be unintentional yet increasing pressure (through the nature and number of comments) to address things that were not felt to be your concern at present. Access to consults is not limited to my knowledge and I feel confident you will utilize that option if and when you see fit.

          40. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Hey Asp 🙂

            You look at confiding very much like me. Historically, I wouldn’t confide because people just didn’t get it. Didn’t seem to view things like me. I could empathise with them but on the rare occasion I needed them to empathise with me, I couldn’t feel any benefit from it. I did confide in my mum when very young but later those confidences were turned against me. I remember the day I decided to never confide in her again. I never have since that day. I say historically because since arriving here, for the first time, there is a whole room of people who do get me, who may not agree with me all the time but who understand where my thoughts come from. A well intentioned place, same place as their own.

            Yes Asp, I confided in the Narc and only him. He knows me better than anyone else. I told him some of the worst parts about what was happening in my life at the time but I didn’t tell him all.

            Some days he wouldn’t have been aware of what had happened behind the screen. Some days I didn’t tell but he knew. He had a knack for that. All days he was an escape, ever present, someone on my side. He manipulated in a way that drew fuel through control but he was never uncaring.

            He was in the right place at the right time. Conversely, you could say he maximised on catching me at a low ebb with my guard down. Either way, he was there when needed. I’ve worked out that this is the reason for the bond. The past can’t be re written and I am not prepared to discuss events from that time. It’s a chapter I locked shut shortly after I did a Brookside and buried him under the patio!

            I left at the start of a silent treatment. It was the right thing to do for the reasons stated to Leigh. So he didn’t betray my trust as such. I just placed that trust in the wrong person. I did exactly as he said I would though. I left.

            Thank you for your kind words Asp. I really didn’t intend or expect my original comment to open up such discussion. I feel guilty about the moderating time. Sorry HG. I’m really touched by all of the comments of support though. I feel blessed to be here. X

          41. Asp Emp says:

            TS, so you have a nice patio now then? 😉

            In my opinion, there is no need for you to feel any guilt for generating a discussion. That is why HG created this space. This space also generates different ways of thinking and looking at things. This site is The Encyclopedia for us all. Take care x

          42. Truthseeker6157 says:


            I read your comment last night and again this morning. Thank you so much for putting that together for me. I found so much encouragement there. I’ll confess to getting frustrated with myself that I’m not ‘better by now’. Your words made me think more along the lines of ‘better than I was but I will be better still going forward.’ I hope many readers get to see your comment. It’s inspirational. Thank you x

          43. Truthseeker6157 says:


            Thank you for your kind words, they were a huge compliment. I’m so happy to see you back on the blog and sounding back to being you again. I think you are feeling better than a couple of months ago. I hope so.

            I read your comment to another reader on the other forum about your past relationships. I can but imagine. You have come so far Renarde. It’s amazing to think about. I think FYC is right in her comment. We keep going, keep learning, keep getting better and stronger. Recognise how far we have come and safeguard it fiercely. X

          44. FYC says:

            TS, You are very welcome. I have to amend something I said though. In re-reading my comment, when I said “I laugh at my failures,” it sounded flip. This was not my intent and it was not fully honest either. I do laugh at the many small failures that occur in life. I learn and I conquer them. When it comes to far greater matters, I would say failure is more like a death that is mourned and wisdom gained. These greater matters are not laughable, but they also do not stop me from learning, growing and overcoming. Failure does not define you, it instructs you. When asked about his numerous failures, Thomas Edison said, “I did not fail. I’ve found 10,000 ways that don’t work.” It is all about the learning. Thank you for the discussion, TS.

        2. Truthseeker6157 says:

          NA, I wrote to Asp then saw your comment! You’re right I didn’t expect my original comment to generate traffic as it did, and you are right about the consultations too. Thankfully HG is committed to being here for us as we move forward. As FYC pointed out my recovery is a journey, no definitive end point. If I think back to my arrival here and my thought processes now, there has been huge change. I have learnt such a lot. I’m sure there will be more change in months to follow. Conversations that are inconceivable now, might not be later.

          I can see the way you are thinking NA and thank you for doing so. I am always grateful you are here.

          I have found reader comments on this both supportive and eye opening with regards to me and to the consultation process itself. It’s a good thing for readers to understand more about that I think. I certainly understand more now. I have never found HG daunting but can understand how some might. I think this thread serves to blast that out of the water.

          I think also it demonstrates what HG has created here in terms of a supportive learning environment. Empaths in a safe place protecting and looking out for each other. Debating, battling at times, learning. Not just this part, the whole thread. I really hope you recognise how much this place is valued and appreciated HG, because it is. Hopefully you get a moment to take that in from time to time. If this blog were mine, I would be very proud of my work. (Did I just suggest to an Ultra narcissist he should be proud of himself? I think I did) ha ha.

          1. leigh says:

            Truthseeker6157 says,

            He didn’t abuse me physically.
            He didn’t attack me verbally.

            I confided in the Narc and only him. He knows me better than anyone else.

            All days he was an escape.

            Truthseeker6157, I can totally relate. I could have wrote every single one of those words. Never abusive in the way people use the word abusive. He gaslighted all the time, though.

            He was my escape too.
            He brought out a side of me that I didn’t even know existed. I never let people in and I let him in. Thats the worst part for me.

            Reading your posts really help me. Thank you.

  6. Anna Belle Black says:

    Hello HG.

    This material is certainly not for everyone. Its been mentioned that it has sexual overtones. I think there are actually a few levels to how one can perceive what you are saying in them. All of them tell a story about your attempts at act of mastery. All of them include predator/prey viewpoints. They could all trigger someone in some way, depending on their personal level of trauma.

    How one will respond to you via email will be telling. It will tell you something about that individual. Idk how you will use that information. I think most of this is a behind the scenes look at you and the listener. We will never be privy to that information unless you set up a separate area to talk openly about this material. You can also take it on a very shallow level and say its ear porn. Some of the stories have been told here and in your books. The continuation carried out to the end in these recordings.

    The other way to see it is as a marketing idea which creates great discussion, hits on the blog, fuel is flowing and pot is stirred. I would say that even though you’ve said that very little fuel is reaped from this arena, there is still fuel. It must be enjoyable to you on some level to watch what happens.

    Was it worth $300+ for all of it? Depends on ones perception and psychological savviness. It depends on whether you are a water skier or a deep diver.
    It depends on if you can objectively look at HG and yourself. Some won’t get it. Some will think they get it. I’ll just say I get you HG and your kind.


  7. lickemtomorrow says:

    There’s quite a variety of perspectives being offered on the material and many differing points of view.

    People are in different places entering into their journey here or just in their own lives. Triggers a plenty.

    For me, I have lived my entire life with a sense of ‘foreboding joy’ due to my involvement with narcissists.

    If you don’t know what that is, it is the sense of waiting for the other shoe to drop when something good has happened to you. You know this joy will not be long lived because someone or something is going to snatch it away from you. You shouldn’t have it, it wasn’t yours to begin with, you don’t deserve it, I’m taking it, it’s mine.

    When HG invited us to participate I saw it as an opportunity for further insight/learning and was happy to engage. I honestly didn’t fully understand the requirements (but gave it a shot anyway) and after sending my email thought “maybe it’s an option to provide a book review” which I would also be excited about. I never expected the material to be related to me. And how it would relate to me meant unlocking it in the first instance.

    While some people on this thread will have sensed one mood or concern around the method of acquiring the Dark Cupid, and possibly had deep wounds activated, others will also have had wounds activated which relate to their inability to celebrate their achievement, have it recognized and enjoy the moment.

    I respect others opinions and perspectives, and I’m not concerned if I am the only one here who believes those of us who achieved the task which HG set should be entitled to celebrate. It’s a personal victory and achievement.

    Regardless of how you view it, that should not take away from others experience in choosing to join in and achieving the goal that was set.

    I’m not letting the other shoe drop on this one. People are free to choose, but I’m done with a sense of foreboding joy.

    Others will have a different take, but that is mine.

    1. JB says:

      The sense of ‘foreboding joy’ you mention – I know exactly what you mean. I don’t know whether to feel happy or sad that someone else knows what this feels like!

  8. NarcAngel says:

    In other news: Does anyone else see a person holding a bouquet of flowers/greenery to the left of the left eye in the graphic when expanded?

    1. NarcAngel says:

      Left eye looking at the pic that was.

  9. NarcAngel says:

    Seems like it’s all been covered here. Some enjoyed the process – some didn’t. You can access it with or without the exercise. There are other interesting threads. Or not. Always choice.

  10. Emma286 says:

    It’s the first time I’ve come across a puzzle like this. I googled the technical meaning of the words. Certainly thought provoking/interesting imo, but I couldn’t pick up on anything that I see personally applies to me. As a result, at this point, I don’t see how I can give it any personal meaning. However, it was still good to learn the Latin meaning.

  11. MommyPino says:

    This is for no particular person but just generally speaking. I am not understanding why we would be offended or disheartened if other commenters comment on how they were able to gain access, solve a puzzle or get high scores on a quiz. I think it is a problem not on that person but on anyone who has an issue about it. I’m not saying this in a derogatory way but I think that if someone feels negative emotions when someone is proud or happy about what they have achieved for themselves then maybe it is something that we need to work on inside ourselves still. I have been subjected to triangulation as well and I have had the same tendencies as well and have been working on that. I have also been working on not apologizing for being happy for myself or dimming my light in order to appease people who might be offended by it. I have had a narcissist friend (frenemy) who made me feel guilty about anything that is worth celebrating about me while I celebrated everything about her. The thing is we all have our own journeys to being the better versions of ourselves. For me I am doing this for myself and to be a better mom and wife. I should not feel guilty or have to apologize for the improvements that I have been achieving and if I am excited about what I have learned I think that it’s totally fine. I am happy for those who have achieved higher scores in quizzes than I have. Sometimes I did really well in those quizzes and sometimes I flunked. I commented on how I did both when I did well and when I did poorly. Not because I am comparing myself to anyone here but just because I want to document my improvements where I did poorly or made mistakes and also to celebrate when I did really well. I have no desire to make anyone feel bad because of that because making people feel bad does not serve or benefit my self improvement in any way.

    I also do not see this as a compliance thing as I did not comply with anything. It is my personal decision or choice to participate in the puzzle, it is my personal choice to purchase the materials and when to purchase them and it will also be my personal choice on whether I will indeed apply what I read or listen to from the material into my life or just take it as his perspective and just enjoy his insights and take whatever I can learn from it including the pleasure or entertainment factor. I am not being subservient to anyone in any part of this process or exercise and I am not seeking to prove myself to anyone at all. For me this is not a competition against anyone but myself and I am only interested in how much more I can be better than my current self.

    1. Violetta says:

      Totally agree, MP. I haven’t scored well on a quiz yet, but I bet I know more now than when I was struggling through Inflammation of the Wannabe Playuh-Narc!

      1. MommyPino says:

        Haha inflammation is a great name for it! No more Narcititis for us! 😆

    2. Julie Petkovska says:

      Yep MP, i have found the criticism of this puzzle to be emotional responses, instead of logical ones. Hence, HG explaining and responding in a logical fashion.

      When I do the quizzes sometimes, I purposely choose the wrong answers to see how low of a score I can get, its all about perspective. I do not place a value on it. I’m weird that way and choose to have fun with it.

      Being an avoidant and not staying in relationships, I found it interesting that people can stay in abusive situations, but a puzzle freaked them out. One can hurt you, the other cannot and is a learning tool in a safe environment.. its a logical choice.

      However i do understand it can be uncomfortable and scary thinking outside the box and delving into places you may not like to visit, but it is necessary for growth and building resilience.

      1. Emma286 says:

        It didn’t personally freak me out. I just couldn’t think of any way the literal meaning personally applied to me so left it.

      2. Leigh says:

        Hi Julie, for me it wasn’t about doing the puzzle. It was about my answer being judged. The quizzes were knowledge based quizzes and I didn’t care if I got an answer wrong. It gave me an opportunity to study and learn where I had made my mistake. This puzzle is not knowledge based. Its based on our own personal interpretation. If my answer wasn’t what Mr. Tudor expected to hear, It would have been yet another narcissist potentially telling me I wasn’t good enough. I refused to put my self out there. My response wasn’t emotional. It was logical. The only way to win, is to not play the game so I chose not to play.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Your interpretation IS your knowledge, however I could not earlier state this as it would become self-defeating.

          1. NarcAngel says:

            The earlier indication of “will you succeed” and comments that some had tried more than once, and your own comments on most people getting it on the first try or not getting it quite right but that you could give additional information to be helped along were indicators that simply offering a personal interpretation was not sufficient and I believe were complicating factors. Everyone obviously does not agree, but there is evidence nonetheless that was the interpretation of some. I am clear however that was not your intention.

            There are a lot of comments/questions here about why the fuss? It was just fun. Conversely I could ask: why is there such a fuss about opposing but genuine feedback? Logic dictates that it would not be for everyone.

          2. HG Tudor says:

            The (very few) ones who did not succeed (at first) were in that position only because they provided a partial response as opposed to a wrong response. They provided a correct response in part but had missed out the balance of the response. A personal interpretation was entirely sufficient.

          3. Truthseeker6157 says:

            In fairness I can hold my hand up and say I didn’t get it first time.
            I just pretty much requested the material via email first go. I was informed that I had not gained access this time but could try again if I wanted to. At that point with the ‘try again’ I realised that I needed to provide a full answer to the Latin so I decided to translate then add my own interpretation. The additional info then appeared on the post in small print and debate was just beginning.

            I got it wrong not because of my interpretation but because I was quick off the mark and hadn’t fully recognised what I needed to do other than apply for the link via email. I wasn’t bothered by the failed first attempt. HG knows I’m nuts anyway. Makes no difference to me.

            I can understand that it might make a difference to some though. I do get what you’re driving at.

        2. Julie Petkovska says:

          Fear is an emotional response. Not a logical one. You are labelling yourself as not good enough, by assuming you won’t be good at it.
          How do you know, unless you try?

          1. Leigh says:

            It wasn’t that I thought I wasn’t good enough. I didn’t want Mr. Tudor to reject my answer because then that would have most definitely made me feel not good enough. Promised gains if you pass, threatened loss if you fail. I didn’t want to participate in that.

          2. Julie Petkovska says:

            Leigh, what i am trying to tell you, is he is making you stronger not weaker. I did not perceive it in that way.
            If you know HG he is interested in medieval England, kings would read Latin literally and then transcribe it personally, that would encourage them and lead them into battles and hopefully victories.
            He wants you to succeed over narcissists not fail.
            Its sad to me when someone’s work has been criticised by people who didn’t even try.

          3. Another Cat says:

            NarcAngel wrote

            “Conversely I could ask: why is there such a fuss about opposing but genuine feedback?”

            I was wondering the same thing this whole thread!

            I do however recognize that there will be people defending and protecting HG and who love quizzes in general. It’s a blog phenomenon.

          4. Leigh says:

            Julie Petkovska says in response to me, ” Its sad to me when someone’s work has been criticised by people who didn’t even try.

            Julie Petkovska, please don’t put words into my mouth. Never once did I criticize Mr. Tudor’s work. I am beyond grateful to Mr. Tudor and his work. I don’t know where I would be without it. It wasn’t the work I was criticizing. It was the delivery. And criticize is a harsh word. I wasnt criticizing, I was questioning. Mr. Tudor has said on many occasions that he wants our feedback so he can learn as well.
            My questioning of Mr. Tudor doesn’t give you the right to i insinuate that I criticized Mr. Tudor’s work. That is simply untrue!

          5. Julie Petkovska says:

            There was nothing wrong with the delivery period.

          6. LS says:

            Julie P

            I found your comments repeatedly inconsiderate and in some aspects condescending towards those who, for a variety of reasons, have not taken part in the quiz. I can think of many different reasons and potential factors that enable to understand the issues another sees with the delivery. To do so does not detract from your or anyone else’s approach who openly welcomed the experience.

            I find it interesting that you referenced ‘outside the box thinking’ in an earlier comment. If the material invites us to learn more about ourselves (haven’t accessed it yet) also, isn’t learning from our involvement with other individuals a great, practical way to endorse that newfound perspective and approach to ‘self’ too? To step into another’s shoes even though their experience and approach might differ from our own – without judgment or invalidation of their thoughts and feelings?

            If you saw no issue with the delivery and adopted your logical ‘king’ approach to the challenge, that is good for you and as valid as it is for others who have taken part in the quiz and shared their success. Accept that others are as entitled to their feelings about the delivery and to voice them. While you are entitled to your opinion, you are not to decide for others what is acceptable to them.

        3. Violetta says:

          “This puzzle is not knowledge based”

          Not necessarily. I just saw it as a series of essay questions, vs. the multiple choice of the quizzes. The answers would have to differ, because we’re applying them to our own experiences.

          1. HG Tudor says:


          2. Leigh says:

            Hi Violetta, I shouldn’t have said knowledge based. What I meant to say is fact based. The quizzes didn’t bother me because they were fact based. So let’s say the question was “What school is the Overwhelming Angel from?” Let’s say my answer is Upper Lesser A. I’m told its incorrect. Now I go and I study and I realize the correct answer is Middle Mid Range A. The answer is matter of fact, impartial. There’s no gray area. This puzzle asked for your personal interpretation, which is highly subjective.

            Also, there was no manipulation involved with the quizzes. I know I keep saying this but it felt like this puzzle was a manipulation. If you pass, you gain access (promsed gains). if you fail, you don’t gain access (threatened loss). On top of that, the only way to pass was if Mr. Tudor felt my personal interpretation was worthy enough to give me access.

            I couldn’t have another narcissist making me feel unworthy. I felt like I needed to hold on to my power. The narcissist can’t make me feel unworthy, if I never play the game.

        4. mommypino says:

          “If my answer wasn’t what Mr. Tudor expected to hear, It would have been yet another narcissist potentially telling me I wasn’t good enough. I refused to put my self out there. ”
          “The only way to win, is to not play the game so I chose not to play.”


          I’m not judging you or others for choosing to not participate. But I disagree with your point of view that I quoted here, not in a mean or critical way but I just want to offer my point of view. I do not see anything that we do here as playing games with HG. He is a narcissist for sure, but he has maintained many times before that nobody gets devalued here and we are his clients and not a source of fuel for him. NA has even affirmed this many times before if my memory serves me correctly, NA made a stand numerous times before in agreement with HG that this blog is not a source of fuel for him. We are not in the same dynamic with HG as we were with the narcissists that we have dealt with in our lives. So I didn’t see this Dark Cupid exercise as playing a game with a narcissist who wants fuel from us or asserting superiority against us or triangulating us against each other for fuel. I only saw this as an exercise for our education, similar to exercises I have done when I have attended retreats in school and seminars with my coworkers when I was still working. This ‘game’ or ‘puzzle’ is not to get fuel from us in my opinion but to highlight some things that would aide in our education. I have mentioned here that I am homeschooling my kids. My style is actually playing games with them almost everyday because that is an excellent way to make them interested in the lesson that I have been teaching them. I do not triangulate them against each other but they enjoy accomplishing the tasks and it helps them enjoy and be really into the lessons. It was the way that I saw it. I consider HG merely as someone (a narcissist) who aides in my education about narcissists and not as someone (a narcissist) who would abuse me. He has said many times that he doesn’t need fuel from us and I believe that NA has agreed with him many times about that as well.

          1. Leigh says:

            Mommypino, I want you to know that I am beyond grateful to Mr. Tudor. He has given me clarity and I can’t thank him enough. This blog, Mr. Tudor’s books and logic bulletins, give me strength. I don’t know what I would do without them. With that being said, whether it was his intention or not is irrelevant. Do you know how many times I’ve heard from the narcissist in my life, “That wasn’t my intention”? Too many to count. If I chose to continue to excuse their behavior because it wasn’t there intention, I’d still be entangled with the narcissist. Mr. Tudor has said several times that narcissists don’t even realize that they are manipulative. Its just inherent in them. Its how they gain control. Whether he meant to be manipulative or not really doesn’t matter because that’s how it came across to me and that’s why I chose not to participate.

          2. MommyPino says:

            Thank you for your response Leigh. I am very grateful too just like you. I am changed forever in a good way with what I now know about narcissists. HG is fully aware of his behaviors and that is how he is able to articulate all of his behaviors to us in his work. He is fully aware of empaths’ behaviors and tendencies as well and that is why he was careful about this material being accessed by empaths who are not ready for it yet and will be triggered by it and thus not be helped. We are in different phases of recovery and for me I am at the stage where this is just educational more than healing. Just like what I saw Whitney point out somewhere here about having a narcissist teacher, in our lives we will encounter narcissists in a professional capacity where we need them to teach us, whether as a teacher, a boss, trainer, coach etc. For me as long as I don’t have any personal relationships with them I just want to focus on what I can learn from them. I participated in the exercise and decided to not buy the material yet because I have never had a romantic relationship with a narcissist and right now I feel that it may not be applicable for me. I might get it in the future if I choose to. The key is that we choose to do what we want and we are not being told what to do. The point of the exercise is to help us determine if we are ready for the material or if we indeed want the material as it is not meant for everyone as it can be very triggering for some who are still at the height of their emotional thinking about their past or current entanglements. You are totally free to choose to not participate or to participate. I just wanted to voice out that I don’t believe that there was any manipulation in the process and the people who chose to participate did not get manipulated.

      3. Abe Moline says:

        Fully agree with you, JP.

        Why would anyone be stressed out about not meeting the expectations or standards of a narcissist? Why would that be a surprise to anyone here?

        Have fun with this puzzle, try silly, try anyway, try in all seriousness, stay fully out, complain about it. All these are valid options, but I guess some are more desirable though.

        1. Violetta says:

          “Why would anyone be stressed out about not meeting the expectations or standards of a narcissist?”

          I had a nightmare last night that I had fallen behind in math class, had forgotten to attend any of the classes, missed all the exams, didn’t even remember I was in the class. I went to the math teacher to ask if I could have another copy of the syllabus so I could at least try to catch up.

          The math teacher was Ellen DeGeneres.

          1. Mercy says:


            “The math teacher was Ellen DeGeneres.”

            Haha you crack me up. Did she give you another copy?

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Ha ha. That’s a real nightmare. Ellen is scary.
            I have a stress dream. I’m in an exam room with all the desks and the clock on the wall. I turn the paper over and it’s a Biology paper. I never took Biology but rather than say,”I think I have the wrong exam paper.” I sit and try to do it. Hand it in and know I have failed. There’s something I should be pulling out of that dream I think ! Ha ha. Same dream, every time I’m stressed.

          3. Abe Moline says:

            Sorry, V, I had no idea who Ellen DeGeneres is, I’m not from US. I think I heard this name a few times before but never had the curiosity to dig more. Now I googled her a bit, seems she’s some sort of a bi*ch?

            Your nightmare is a good counterexample for my statement though, I must admit…

          4. Violetta says:


            She said she would. Future Faking?

          5. Violetta says:


            Comedian and talk show host, famous for perky persona. The hypocrisy of her inner bitchery is what’s getting people: Joan Rivers was openly bitchy, that was her thing, end of.

          6. mommypino says:


            You’re too funny! Before all of the revelations about her I really thought that she was an empath and quite amiable. Now I can totally understand why she is nightmare material! She gives me the creeps now. It’s crazy how facade works.

        2. NarcAngel says:

          Alternatively the question could also be posed: Why TRY meeting the expectations and standards of a narcissist by participating?

          That is more the surprise to me. This discussion has surpassed the original issue of access for me and has held more interest in the various responses.

          All are options. Desirable or not is individual perspective.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            You are not meeting the expectations and standards of a narcissist by participating. You are addressing your own standards, not mine.

          2. Abe Moline says:

            I did not participate (as in submitting my response). I just thought about it and formed my answers in my own mind, because I found the puzzle intriguing and somewhat challenging and fun. I am perfectly ok with that, I don’t need HG’s approval. I also do not want to buy the materials, so I have no incentive to submit them.

            One can submit their answers from a place of fear of rejection (in which case I’d say better not do it), or with the internal strength that “this is my opinion, I’m not ashamed of it, and if I “fail”, give me a logical explanation which I am free to accept or debate”. I guess the way HG put it – addressing our own standards – is more concise and clear though.

            “All are options. Desirable or not is individual perspective.”
            Correct, I did not say otherwise. We all have to judge that for ourselves.
            For me, personally, complaining about something which is beyond my control, is pointless. I’m not saying it never happens to me, but in this case it would really serve no purpose whatsoever, I really have nothing to lose or win in this.

          3. NarcAngel says:

            I disagree.

            You are meeting the expectations and standards of a narcissist if you participate in a process that is presented by a narcissist and is necessary to “succeed” and gain access to the next step.

            No alternate choice was given at that time (the items are since posted and can be purchased without said process). It read as comply or access denied.

            I am glad to see that there has been an alternate offered albeit not much in the way of detail.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            The process was about the applicant, not me.
            The material was always available without said process because it had to be hosted somewhere, i.e. Gumroad and therefore was indeed always available, hence the accusations of exclusivity were incorrect from the very beginning.

          5. Asp Emp says:

            Since I am relatively ‘new’ to your site, I am not aware of a lot of information on KTN – have you done a ‘puzzle / game’ like this before? I enjoyed this ‘puzzle’. I thought it was a brill way to encourage people to think and ‘interpret’ it in their own way. I also thought it was a good idea, for you to get a different insight to how we empaths, normals (if any) and other narcissists would respond to this game. I would imagine that you found the results interesting which, in turn, may have made you see / view more and different ways of how empaths / normals think, or the way their minds may process information? Regardless, Dark Cupid certainly resulted in much and many conversations. You’re doing a FAB job 🙂

          6. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you.

            Not like this no. I was not in a position to explain the concepts behind it in detail, because to do so would detract from the purpose of the material and thus render it pointless.

          7. NarcAngel says:

            Be fair.

            There was no indication that you could advance to the next step and gain access without the exercise. You told FM1T that it was available if she knew how to get it. The fine print (that was revised, I will point out to those coming in late) said to interpret the literal (most people googled so no puzzle there) and the personal and submit it to your email (some people may have just be reluctant to email -did anyone think of that?). Will you succeed? was included somewhere. Also there is a discount if you do the exercise. No where did it say there was an alternate way of access if you did not participate. The exclusivity was tied to the premise that you had to participate in the “puzzle” to advance. At no time during the comments made by those stating they did not understand or agree with the process did you offer an alternative. You encouraged further trying the “puzzle”.

            I have been fair in saying that it was not your intention to exclude, that I believe the information will be premium regardless the method of access, and stated that I genuinely hope people enjoy them. I offered an alternative and minority opinion on this type of process – you encourage a variety of views and I gave mine. So what? as some have said to me.

            You teach us that you like facts and evidence so I have included them. You are a very good teacher.

            Having said that, I will repeat that I understand it is your blog and you will do as you see fit and respect that.

          8. Violetta says:


            I was more interested in trying the puzzle then I was in accessing this material at the moment. I didn’t even go to the next step, since my present focus is on narcs at work. So for me, it really was just for fun, except of course, it made me think about the fact that my current priority is work narcs. In that sense, it was still educational because I had to ask myself what’s important to me right now. Inflammation of the Wannabe Playuh-Narc has become secondary, and that alone is nice to realize.

          9. WokeAF says:

            “ I found it interesting that people can stay in abusive situations, but a puzzle freaked them out.”

            Got the gut feeling , but can’t name the manipulation. Any help?

          10. mommypino says:

            “One can submit their answers from a place of fear of rejection (in which case I’d say better not do it), or with the internal strength that “this is my opinion, I’m not ashamed of it, and if I “fail”, give me a logical explanation which I am free to accept or debate”. I guess the way HG put it – addressing our own standards – is more concise and clear though.

            “All are options. Desirable or not is individual perspective.”
            Correct, I did not say otherwise. We all have to judge that for ourselves.
            For me, personally, complaining about something which is beyond my control, is pointless. I’m not saying it never happens to me, but in this case it would really serve no purpose whatsoever, I really have nothing to lose or win in this.”

            Abe Moline,

            Great logical thinking!

          11. Whitney says:

            NA how do you feel about education in general? Many teachers are Narcissists. It’s very common. They actually grade essays and other subjective material. Children are forced to be in the education system.

            This situation in comparison:
            We are adults
            We know HG is a Narcissist
            We can choose to not participate
            HG is not grading us

            Also I saw you were “disgusted” by what he’s doing. Have you read his books? You know he abused his girlfriends. How do you feel about that? You’ve been coming to this site for years. And this exercise is the thing you find morally reprehensible?

            HG treats commenters with respect and dignity. This exercise gives people the opportunity to express their own interpretations. It is kind of HG to spend so much time reading our thoughts and experiences.

        3. MommyPino says:

          Hi Abe Moline,

          It’s nice to see you in the blog again. Thank you. I totally agree with you too. Just like what Julie said, this is a learning environment. We interact with an aware narcissist who we will never meet and will never be a part of our lives. I see this place like a laboratory where we could test stuff out and learn from it without it making impact on our real lives aside from learning.

          And just to be clear, I am not criticizing those who chose to not participate. It is their prerogative. I am just commenting here to disagree with the criticism on the format of the exercise and also disagreeing with some of the points.

          In my opinion there has been a protection in place to reduce the likelihood that commenters who are not ready for it or will be turned off by it will access it. But everyone is free to purchase them from the KV so they are not exclusive. I have not decided to purchase any of the materials yet and can’t tell what are in them although I got the email explaining the exercise briefly. From that email and from the comments here in the blog of the commenters who chose to not participate, I can say that it totally makes sense to put that test or protection factor there.

      4. MommyPino says:

        “ , I found it interesting that people can stay in abusive situations, but a puzzle freaked them out. One can hurt you, the other cannot and is a learning tool in a safe environment.. its a logical choice.”

        Thank you Julie. I couldn’t agree more with that statement. You totally nailed it! I wish I can like your comment but I cannot when I’m using my phone.

        I totally understand how the other commenters feel but I just disagree with it. Anyway, I will probably write more thoughts later today as I have to homeschool this morning and take the kids to a workshop this afternoon.

  12. 1jaded1 says:

    HG. Belated Happy Anniversary as of 310815 and possibly Belated Happy Birthday as of the following day. Hope you are well. Can never thank you enough for your insight.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you 1Jaded1.

  13. Asp Emp says:

    HG, Sir, God, No 1, whatever title pleases you – a KTN tattoo. What would your design be? I wonder. It’s not a barcode. We’ve all been ‘branded’ in one way or another, in any case.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Property of HG Tudor.

      1. MB says:

        I saw a girl in the grocery store with a lower back tattoo (tramp stamp they call them here) that said “Property of *her husband’s name* I didn’t know about narcissism then, but I’ve thought about her many times since learning about it. Her husband died of an overdose several years ago. I wonder if she had it covered or removed…

        I’ve also wondered if maybe she was the narcissist. I know a female narcissist that has had more than one IPPS name tattooed upon her. I think it’s a fairly common manipulation.

        1. lickemtomorrow says:

          Never even thought of it being a manipulation, MB. You’ve opened my eyes today and it’s kind of obvious now that you have! It’s done as a way of stamping yourself permanently – to belong to him to belong to her – even if you have literally stated “Property of …”

          I could literally get stamped with H.G. and cover both my favourite franchises 🙂

        2. Beguiled says:

          MD- Yes! My Narc, when I was still ensnared (I was not IPPS), showed up with a gigantic tattoo across his entire chest, in Old English lettering, of his IPPS’s name. The “o” of her name was a big red heart. She had been trying to escape and this was one of his grand hoovers to keep her.

          His story to me was that she was suicidal due to the demise of their relationship and he did it to save her, and that he would do it again. Of course I didn’t believe him, but my addiction was so great that I didn’t let something like that stop me from sleeping with him.

          The shit show that was my life, is humiliating. Reading this blog every day reminds me of that. Keeps me on track.

      2. Truthseeker6157 says:

        020 7518 8080

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Ahmed says hello.

          1. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Ha ha!

            You got it then. It would be a handy tattoo though.

      3. Fiddleress says:

        “Property of HG Tudor”
        Methinks this is the asterix we all fail to notice when we sign on here.
        Said in jest on my part, but even if I am right, I am certainly not complaining.

        All right, time to go back to fighting that ET, I suppose.

  14. blackcoffee30 says:

    Turn inward and ask yourself, “Why does this anger me? Why am I so upset? Why am I triggered?”

    HG can do whatever the fuck he likes on his blog. As for me, I take what I need and leave the rest behind.

    This “test” is easy. It’s almost laughable now how I was blinded by my fury. It took three tries; it was only after I calmed down that I was able to see it for what it was.

    I’m a Geyser, through and through and was yelling at HG (for all intensive porpoises) in my email to “Gimme the stuff!”

    Not all things are for everyone. Now that I have listened to the first part, I understand than anyone new who is unable to complete this task namely the last part, would have a genuine WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK?! reaction to the material.

    My personal interpretation had to do with revenge, which nobody who is familiar with BC30 on this blog would be surprised to know.

    1. Truthseeker6157 says:

      Oh to have seen that email ha ha x

    2. MommyPino says:

      “ Turn inward and ask yourself, “Why does this anger me? Why am I so upset? Why am I triggered?”

      HG can do whatever the fuck he likes on his blog. As for me, I take what I need and leave the rest behind.“

      Well said!

    3. NarcAngel says:

      Oh my genuine reaction to all of this has been WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK?! alright.

      NA just doesn’t get it and should have kept it to herself instead of boring you all with her apparent lone opposing opinion and reasoning. Don’t be like NA.

      Carry on.

      1. MommyPino says:

        NA, I disagreed with most of your perspective in this thread but you made many points that resonated with me and I thought were sensible. It was not boring at all in fact I was interested, and I’m glad that you are free to voice out a perspective different from mine.

      2. Emma286 says:

        NarcAngel, I know you and I haven’t exactly gotten off to the best start on here. Nevertheless, I think you 100% did the right thing by voicing your views. I respect intelligent people who show a good level of critical thinking ability who question things. I could appreciate where you were coming from.

        Jftr (while we’re on this subject) on this:

        “NA just doesn’t get it and should have kept it to herself instead of boring you all with her apparent lone opposing opinion and reasoning.”

        Struck me that you weren’t so different here not so long ago in another topic. You know, the one when I questioned HG on an advertising approach? I’m not blind NA. I saw the comments you made. I made a valid observation at the time and asked HG a valid question about it. It wasn’t long before you started making negative remarks about me (along with another member here) apparently as a result of this.

        Would appreciate just a bit more respect for my right in turn (as a fellow commenter) to critically evaluate and question things please. I might be new here but that doesn’t mean that I don’t also have this right.

        Anyways I don’t think you should have kept quiet at all. You saw some things that struck you as off and highlighted them/questioned them. Absolutely fair enough.

        1. NarcAngel says:

          Hi Emma

          I don’t know who you are or what you are referring to so I can only say this: When I respond, it’s to the message and not who wrote it, so the next interaction is a blank slate.There are a few however who can be counted on to show up just to stir the pot or try to provoke based on past interaction. There is an example of that here, and I just find it transparent and childish so ignore it. There can be strong opinion on all sides and HG allows us to air them as long as we remain within the rules. I gave my opinion here and others gave theirs. I don’t recall any personal attacks or labelling so it’s all good. I’m not carrying any comments made here opposing my view into future interaction.

          I won’t keep quiet. That was meant to be a humorous summary of what I was feeling others were thinking and a signal that I would not continue to pursue it further.

          See you around Emma.

          1. Emma286 says:

            “Hi Emma

            I don’t know who you are or what you are referring to”

            It was some weeks back now (I’ve lost track of exactly when). HG put up a Knowledge Vault offer. It was 50% off for an hour. I pointed out to him that it looked like a pressure sales tactic to me (as I notice this kind of thing offline all the time as well as online) and asked why this was only being made available for an hour at that time.

            “I can only say this: When I respond, it’s to the message and not who wrote it, so the next interaction is a blank slate. ”

            Fair enough. Thanks for explaining that. Will bear that in mind.

            “There are a few however who can be counted on to show up just to stir the pot or try to provoke based on past interaction. There is an example of that here, and I just find it transparent and childish so ignore it. There can be strong opinion on all sides and HG allows us to air them as long as we remain within the rules. I gave my opinion here and others gave theirs. I don’t recall any personal attacks or labelling so it’s all good. I’m not carrying any comments made here opposing my view into future interaction.”


            “I won’t keep quiet. That was meant to be a humorous summary of what I was feeling others were thinking and a signal that I would not continue to pursue it further.

            See you around Emma.”

            Sure, see you around Narc Angel.

          2. mommypino says:

            “There are a few however who can be counted on to show up just to stir the pot or try to provoke based on past interaction. There is an example of that here, and I just find it transparent and childish so ignore it. ”

            NA, you didn’t name the people that you are passive aggressively referring to here. I haven’t notice you responding to my comments directed at you so I could be one of those people you are referring to that you are ignoring.

            I can assure you that I am not disagreeing with you to stir the pot, or provoke based on past interaction. For you to assign motivations on people who disagree with you is actually a cop out in order to avoid addressing the valid arguments presented against you. It also contradicts your claim that your next interaction is a blank slate because apparently if that person disagrees with you then you will just bring up the past interaction to justify you not addressing their arguments. I admire Emma for being brave at calling you out in a direct way and not a passive aggressive way.

        2. K says:

          I think this is the thread you are referring to:


          1. Emma286 says:

            Yup. Thanks.

      3. Leigh says:

        NA, you’re not alone in your opinion. I would even say there are probably quite a few people who feel similar but don’t want to comment. It’s taken me days to muster the courage to comment.

        For me, this “puzzle” gave me anxiety. I saw that others were having trouble and I instantly didn’t want to partake in the challenge for fear of failure. It almost felt like a manipulation. Promised gains if you pass, threatened loss if you fail. It was easier to bow out.

        I’ve been coming to this blog for 17 months now. I’m not quite an old timer, but I’m certainly not a newcomer either. This material may have helped me but because of the way it was presented, it stopped me dead in my tracks.

        I didn’t feel the same way about the quizzes. The quizzes were more fact based so if I got a fact wrong, I can study and figure out the correct answer. In this “puzzle” I have to give my personal interpretation and then hope I’m not told that my answer isn’t good enough. I just couldn’t do it.

        I’m with you NA. I think it could have been presented in a different way.

        With all of that said, this blog has helped me immensely and I’m extremely grateful for Mr. Tudor and his work here.

        1. Emma286 says:

          “It almost felt like a manipulation.”

          I can understand why.

        2. NarcAngel says:

          Hi Leigh

          I’m glad you mustered the courage as you put it, and hope you feel comfortable enough to continue contributing. It’s opinion, discussion, and sometimes debate, but there is never an absolute right or wrong, so don’t be afraid to wade in. I gave my opinion and I knew it would not be popular, but I made it for exactly the reasons you have stated. I did not have the same reaction as you did (anxiety for instance, and I did not see an intention of threat of loss, but I recognize your reaction), but I didn’t like it and knew there would be others affected by it who might not speak up. I don’t have that filter haha. HG can absolutely do whatever the fuck he wants (as someone put it here and as I have stated previously), but he wants the very best for his audience and having different points of view may or may not affect how he chooses to delivers his products. So we offer. Discuss. HG values his readership and their input. He watches what plays out and ultimately decides.

          I hope to see you commenting more Leigh. See you around the blog.

          1. Leigh says:

            Thank you NA. Each day, I feel more and more comfortable with commenting. When I first came to the blog, all I did was read. Looking forward to seeing you around the blog as well.

      4. Claire says:

        NA, I really like your comments on this blog because they are genuine, no sugar coating, straight to the point and your wicked humour👍🏻! I also choose do not participate into the puzzle for very personal reasons that I won’t disclose on the blog, maybe only to HG sometime.
        I am sure the material is outstanding, some readers already provided very interesting feedback that triggered my curiosity to obtain the files but that’s my choice to refrain.

        1. NarcAngel says:

          Hi Claire

          I have no doubt the information accessed will be outstanding as are all of the products. The discussion has no doubt piqued interest in addition to the method of introduction, so I’m sure it will prove popular.

          1. Julie Petkovska says:

            NA, you do realise that in promoting fear, you keep people stuck in a mindset of not trying if things are difficult or scary? So what if HG says no, so what if it takes you 3 goes at it. So what??

            I did not know latin or had heard of those phrases before and can interpret them literally and personally. Leigh and others could have too, if given the support and courage.

            If i listened to you. I wouldn’t have learnt what I did. If you have a platform and people listen to you. Make sure its in their best interest, not just yours.

            Its about trying and learning…

          2. NarcAngel says:

            No one is promoting fear. That’s ridiculous. You do not have to become a lemming to learn or grow. That’s why different methods of learning exist. I’m about choice. It was originally presented as having to participate and succeed in this process to advance to the next step (and we did not even know what the next step was). I did not see that as choice so I gave my opinion. Just as you have given yours – you enjoyed it as have others and that’s great. Make sure when you have a platform you are careful to try not to exclude others or think they should ALL have your mindset of having to participate in things they don’t want to in order to grow. Be open to feedback.

          3. Z - zwartbolleke says:

            Julie, can you prove someone as I “listened” to NA and that is the reason I’m missing out information that I would not have missed if instead I would be “encouraged” by you?
            Can you prove that?
            If so, I’m intrigued how you are proving things and thoughts happening in my mind, because as far as I know, you cannot see into my mind, nor can you judge why I make certain decisions.
            If not, why these empty words wasted and a cheap way to be mean to NA, someone who actually spoke up for many people and with valuable arguments.
            I admire more what she did than what you supposedly are doing for people.

          4. mommypino says:

            “You do not have to become a lemming to learn or grow. That’s why different methods of learning exist. I’m about choice.”

            Who are you referring to that are being lemmings NA? Are you saying that it makes us lemmings if we participated in this exercise and made the submission? You said that you have given your feedback to protect commenters and yet in doing so you have been continuously indirectly criticizing people who participated with the words that you use such as lemmings and voluntary compliance.
            I also do not understand why in spite of HG already politely responding to you, “Fair enough” you still persisted with your criticisms. I do not see it as productive. Instead of talking about how the materials can be helpful, HG is being criticized for the way he presented the material. It strikes me as very petty. There is a good reason why HG presented it the way that he did. He was protecting people who might be triggered badly and thus not be able benefit from it because they are not yet at that stage of recovery. You do know that HG wants his readers to succeed, I think that I have read you say that in one way or another several times. I remember having a conversation with my husband about prescribing medicines. He said some medicines you prescribe at the highest dosage right away and then it immediately cures the patient, some medicines you prescribe with the same dosage from the beginning to the end and some medicines you start with a low dosage until the body adapts to it and then you slowly increase the dosage. I feel that for some victims of narcissists it is best to start with low dosage where they are not triggered right away and give up and get turned off which would prevent them from being able to get more information that they really need. I have seen you in the past address commenters who had adverse reactions from some of HG’s articles because they got triggered by it instead of learning from it. I have seen MB’s description of her experience reading the Dark Cupid materials where she had to compartmentalize some of the stuff that she learned from it. For MB who has been reading here for a while already to have to do that pretty much says to me that some of the stuff there are very triggering. That is why I think the protection was put in place. But at the same time like HG has said, it was never exclusive because it has always been at Gumroad.
            Lastly, I have no issues with you as a person and a fellow commenter here. In fact, prior to this you left a nice remark to me in one of my comments and I genuinely appreciated that and said thank you to you. I have no ulterior motives whatsoever in voicing out my disagreement with you here except to offer my perspective that I feel that this Dark Cupid exercise, the commenters who participated and HG’s actions were being inaccurately depicted. That is all.

      5. Z - zwartbolleke says:


        Thank you SOOOOO much for speaking up for people like me.
        I will keep this short, but wow, just wow!

        Thank you for your courage, your self confidence, and your involvement to speak. I stand with admiration and hands full of gratitude, thank you!


        1. NarcAngel says:

          Very kind. Thank you.

          1. Mercy says:

            NA, It was actually the view that I submitted in my email. You were my example. Going against others to take a stand in what you believe in.

        2. Mercy says:


          How are you? I hope you are doing well.

          I think you will understand me when I say there is irony in the stand that has been taken here. I feel like the literal interpretation is being displayed.

          1. NarcAngel says:

            Haha. That’s an interesting view.

          2. Leigh says:

            I was thinking the same thing!

        3. Julie Petkovska says:

          Z, NA is incorrect and has been corrected by HG over and over. If you want to be wrong too, then go ahead.

          You can’t argue if you have been proven incorrect. He did not do what she accused him of. Most of us, understand this.

          Do the puzzle, don’t do the puzzle, don’t criticise someone because you lack the skills or competencies. That’s on you, not him.

      6. Julie Petkovska says:

        NA, you are incorrect and its getting to the point of criticising someone’s work, to the point of accusing him of manipulation.
        Which is damaging.
        He has understood your points and afforded you, your opinions.

        Might I suggest that HG is human and whilst banter is noted. I believe a line has been crossed.

        Focus on the readers who you didnt pick as manipulators, you missed a couple!

        1. NarcAngel says:

          I’M accusing?
          A line has been crossed?

          That’s rich.

          It was you who previously came blazing on here and accused someone of being a dangerous narcissist instead of addressing that you thought their comments were merely noise pollution that annoyed you. You insulted people complete with names like “garbage people” for their comments. It was pointed out to you that they had been assessed an empath by HG via Empath Detector but that did not change your opinion of the person. To suggest you did not accept the validity of his test seems damaging.

          So to answer your question: No, you may not suggest anything to me.

          1. Julie Petkovska says:

            I never criticised Hg or his work. Just the person involved and again I wasn’t wrong.
            Big difference. Maybe completing this puzzle would have been good for you. Instead of critiquing actually do it and then have an opinion .

          2. NarcAngel says:

            But you were wrong. The person was determined by HG NOT to be a narcissist. So your previous statement that you cannot argue when you’ve been proven to be incorrect applies to you also.

            There was no need for me to do the puzzle to have an opinion. Once it was clear that I could purchase it without participating in that process I did so.

          3. Julie Petkovska says:

            Actually NA, you will find evidence to the contrary. You are not privy to everything. Lets leave it at that. Again I was not wrong. I think you need to revist some of HGs work on the key identifiers of narcissistic behaviour.

          4. WokeAF says:

            Hey NA , I’m curious if you bought more than one DC ? ESP at full price?

          5. NarcAngel says:


            I have purchased more than one.

      7. Bubbles 🍾 says:

        Dearest NarcAngel,
        I’m very glad you voiced your perspective
        Our greater friend knows Latin and over the course of our friendship has ‘played games’ using Latin quotes
        He’d send a text message quote in Latin and expect us to look it up
        He’d drop past and if we weren’t home, leave a quote in Latin

        When I saw Mr Tudor’s post, I thought, “what’s with greaters and Latin? ”

        Like you, I chose not to participate
        Thank you NA, please don’t stop being you
        Luv Bubbles xx 😘

        1. Fiddleress says:

          Hello Bubbles
          This is interesting, what you say about your Greater friend using Latin quotes. May I suggest (in a very friendly fashion) that your reaction might have something to do with what appears to be Cross Pollution?
          I studied ancient Greek in school, which I chose over Latin (just because my dad hated Latin, too many bad memories for him from when he had been a choir boy in church), so Latin doesn’t trigger me. Well, I did have to do a year of Latin prior to that.
          Because of my native tongue, I can work out Latin, but even if I couldn’t, I wouldn’t mind.

          That’s the bottom line, I think: generally speaking, and certainly outside of burgeoning intimate relationships, I do not mind getting things wrong, or not knowing something. I’m thrilled if there is something to be learnt in the process. I am thrilled when my brain has to get in gear.

        2. Violetta says:

          I think it’s a class thing. Well into the 20th century, public schoolboys (public is the posh one in the UK) studied the Latin and Greek classics. Of course, the naughty parts were censored, but they compensated by assaulting each other at night.

          1. Fiddleress says:

            Violetta, you are right about the class thing in the UK (England in particular).

            In France, when I was at school (and I was in a state-run school in an area that was far from posh), absolutely ALL the pupils had to study Latin or Greek. It was compulsory, no matter what social class you came from. And I remember the naughty parts were not all censored…

            That is over now, unfortunately. Very few schools offer Latin, even fewer offer Greek, and that is a shame; all down to the destruction of teaching jobs and the general going-to-the-dogs standards of our education system, which until the beginning of the 1990’s was highly regarded worldwide, I think, and for good reason.

    4. MommyPino says:

      Also BC30, my personal interpretations was overcoming obstacles in life to achieve a better life including changing the dynamic with a narcissist. I bet it would be fascinating to see the many interpretations of different commenters! I’m a Geyser too by the way.

      1. blackcoffee30 says:

        Being a Geyser is a blessing and a curse for me. It gives me strength and is how I muster defensive defiance, but I dislike crying so much!

        1. MommyPino says:

          Haha defiance is one of my two highest narcy traits! It has worked both to my advantage and detriment.

          I agree, I hate crying so much is somebody can see me. I don’t cry often but when it starts I could not control or stop it. And the more I try to stop it the more tears come out haha! It is the same with laughing, the more I try to stop it the more I become a total ham! But crying feels so good when I am alone, especially when I am watching a tear jerker movie all by myself and hugging a pillow and a box of tissue. 😊

          1. blackcoffee30 says:

            Defiance > Pride > Showcasing are my top 3. I love crying to a good movie, but it can happen at inopportune times! Laughing is the best though, I love when my side hurts and I can’t breathe haha!

        2. Another Cat says:

          Ah, no I dislike that too. I cry for everything, children, holidays, even when I’m proud of someone, you name it! Haha. Should do an empath detectoror once I have the time and budgeted it.

          /Miss Stóri blesi geysír

          1. blackcoffee30 says:

            Do it! Treat yo’self! It’s so informative, and for me, the results were not what I expected.

            However, it all made sense and helped me identify the chinks in my armor in addition to spotting red flags.

          2. Beguiled says:

            Me too…want to take a weekend to do it, here, soon. I’ll have to figure out how to limit my words, as I went waaaay over with my Narc Detector.

          3. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Beguiled, the EDC is set up differently to the Narc Detector. No word count this time just lots of multi choice questions. I struggle with word counts too. Concise is most definitely not my middle name! You won’t have to count with the EDC.

  15. NarcAngel says:

    I’ll just have to remain on the outside. I identify with the comment of Fiddleress in that I have read, done the translation, read K’s response, and still have no idea what is expected to be written as the “personal” (or how a personal interpretation could be graded as a pass or fail). I do not feel the will of any superiors nor feel compelled to move anything so it’s lost on me. I could make something up and be lead along to the “correct” answer like the right little retard that I apparently am, but I feel no need to fake things to anyone much less myself. I do not find it a game, puzzle, or fun in any way. I consider it a test and I do not appreciate being tested. Genuine congratulations to those who have succeeded and are enjoying the new content. I’m sure that it will be informative and enlightening as has been all that I have enjoyed previously.

    1. Emma286 says:

      If it’s any small consolation NarcAngel I can certainly tell (from the short time I’ve been around here so far anyway) that you’re no retard. You strike me as very intelligent in fact.

      1. Truthseeker6157 says:

        Agree Emma. I have missed you on the blog up until now, welcome if you are new 🙂
        I think many of us overthink things and I also think that is largely due to us having to do that given our various narcissistic interactions. I think we do it naturally because we naturally consider how our comments might be interpreted by others, that’s just part of being empathic. I think though that this predisposition is stretched, highlighted and used to the fullest benefit of narcissists during their interactions with us. HG I exclude from this, though I’m sure he sees our true motivations and natural tendencies in many of the comments he reads here, he just doesn’t take advantage of them.

        With reference to the “Please don’t attack me guys.” comment below, I think this has a similar cause to the above. Many of us here have experienced being shot down by our narcissists when attempting to express ourselves. Pre apology or justification becomes our natural fallback position. I often qualify my opinion or experiences. Another wise reader pointed out to me that I should never have to justify myself to people, especially not here amongst this group. She’s right. I’m working on it.

        The women here are in my experience, eloquent and well considered in their comments. The fact that we researched our way here to begin with illustrates that we are by no means stupid.
        It took me three goes to pass my driving test. Doesn’t make me a bad driver. It makes me scared of tests. In fact, I’m a bloody brilliant driver, I’ll take anyone through a roundabout I don’t care what you’re driving! Ha ha. Rawrr.

        1. Sweetest Perfection says:

          “Please don’t attack me guys.” I said it for a reason. While it’s true it’s not the general tendency, it is not less true I’ve felt uncomfortable sometimes for expressing something that goes against the majority. I remember in particular one time I defended the theoretical possibility that people that didn’t contribute to the angel fund may have other financial commitments. Certain commenters immediately translated that as me not being willing to help others which is unfounded and not true. So yes it happens. Empath’s can be nasty too, so that you know. About this exercise… I think this is getting way too over the top. I have failed every single quiz on the blog. Do I give a shit about it?? Do you think my life is the blog? Hell no I don’t even think about it after I take the quiz. I did try the puzzle, got it right. Listened to part 1 and 2 and got caught up in life, my grandma died, my sister had an injury, classes started, pay cuts started too. I’ll listen to the rest when I have time. Or not. Getting the answer right to me is akin to having found out the password to use my neighbor’s WiFi by pure chance. My life is still the same. It was nice to know I was right, but that was all. Peace!

          1. blackcoffee30 says:

            “I defended the theoretical possibility that people that didn’t contribute to the angel fund may have other financial commitments. Certain commenters immediately.”

            No, shit; you don’t say? Why would we need an AF if everyone had coin? Sorry you got flamed on that one.

    2. Mercy says:

      No faking required. Your personal interpretation is just what you wrote

      “I do not feel the will of any superiors nor feel compelled to move anything”

    3. MommyPino says:

      HG did not grade my personal interpretation. Mine was different from K’s and he still gave me access. HG stated somewhere here that there is latitude to the many different personal interpretations or applications of the three steps. There’s no smart or not smart when it comes to personal interpretations.

    4. Truthseeker6157 says:

      NA, I have to tell you this, I just this minute read it and it proper made me laugh.
      You might be aware that I play on online game. I run a team of 49 guys and me. We go to war against other teams. So I recently changed my team description to the ‘Flectere si nequeo….’ quote above, nothing else. I like the quote and it’s game apt. I thought I’ll just wait and see what happens. Just now guy one notices.
      ‘ What the hell is our team description?’
      (Me) ‘It’s Latin’
      ( Guy 2) ‘ Ohhh, I thought it was the long version of ‘ yo quero Taco Bell.’
      They are still putting forward their translations now.
      Sometimes, watching regular guys just be regular guys is the funniest thing.

    5. Fiddleress says:

      I’ll second what Mercy wrote to you underneath: she put in a nutshell what I was going to ramble on about for at least the length of a novella; the way I see it, NA, is that you are very much ahead of most of us in terms of dealing with your emotional thinking (which strikes me as non existent), and this may be why you do not ‘know’ what to write, because it is long gone – nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof, I can assure you.

    6. WokeAF says:

      NA – “ “I do not feel the will of any superiors nor feel compelled to move anything”.

      Logical Thinking .

      1. NarcAngel says:

        All the best to you in your decision to further your education.

  16. Abe Moline says:

    My take on this is: #1 is the purpose, while #2 and #3 are the way. #2 is “literal” because it is not about raising hell.

    On a somewhat different note, I find this relatively similar to “the way, and the truth, and the life”, but in changed order: the life, the way and the truth.

    I might be wrong though, I did not submit my interpretation… 🙂

    1. Another Cat says:

      This is interesting, Abe.
      I interpreted the First quote as being akin to ‘truth’, being truthful, or knowledge. Conquering my own obstacles to learning.
      Obstacles as in comfortzone, ET and whatnot.

      Not sure HG meant to refer to the Jesus quote in question, but it’s an interesting idea.

      1. Abe Moline says:

        Haha, I’m quite sure HG did not want to refer to Jesus, unless maybe in a sarcastic way…
        It was just some sort of parallel I made between these quotes, and I meant this at a personal level, not about Jesus either. Our life, our way, our truth.

        I see conquering ourselves as a continuous endeavour, this is what I meant by “the life”.

  17. Geminimom says:

    HG. This made me smile and made me remember the narcs somatic ways. I guess this triggered my spheres in a good way in that arena. Over thirty years of blind love, then poof, he rubbed me the wrong way, and the war began. I’m only through the first part will see how I react to the next parts.

    I would like to know what kind of reactions you are expecting from us? If you dare. Smile.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Understanding and enlightenment.

  18. Chihuahuamum says:

    Do we submit the meanings of these three quotes Not sure what personal means in regards to them. The middle one seems very narcissistic.

    1. MommyPino says:

      Hi Chi-mum,

      I just googled the English translation of the three quotes and wrote them under the header Literal.

      Then I provided how each of these three apply to my life personally under the header Personal and submitted it to HG’s email. HG said it doesn’t have to be long.

      1. Chihuahuamum says:

        Ty mommypino! 🤗

  19. Getting There says:

    NA, I understand your point and thank you for always looking out for others! I know you don’t need me to say that, and I hope you don’t mind me sharing my thoughts after reading your comments.

    I have listened to some of these and can say that if I had heard them when my emotional thinking was higher, the details I have heard would have distracted from the message and would have caused me not to seek more information from HG. Where I feel that I am now has allowed for me to be distracted only by connecting with other information HG has shared on this blog.

    It is not for all, even those with low emotional thinking. Content has been hinted at in other comments. For me it has been a practice of applying low emotional thinking and further learning about the mind of HG and others like him. If I were to take the words at face value, it would be an interesting listen of one. It is in finding the meaning and symbolism in each that I have heard that has further my knowledge and even further looking at myself in other types of situations in my life. It’s also been fun to try to figure out the puzzle of the recording versus taking the words alone!

    It’s not about who is smart or who can Google. I think it is about protection.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Sensible observations.

  20. Violetta says:

    NarcAngel, please come back! I got this one because I treated it as 3 jumping-off points, but I haven’t passed even ONE of the quizzes yet!

  21. MB says:

    If you enjoyed the lessons within ‘Sex’, ‘Hush’ and ‘Spanked’, these are recorded just for you. Hot lessons of how the narcissist uses sex to control and manipulate as can only be delivered by Prof Tudor. Insightful and delightful.

    1. MB says:

      I want to revise my comment above now that I’ve listened to more episodes. All have been insightful, not all have been delightful. My whole life I’ve been told I’m “too sensitive”. I should not have been surprised by the traumatizing effect some of these had on me. I understand why HG is being protective as he knows my kind well. I could’ve done without these (in hindsight). My curiosity would’ve killed me though! Double edged sword.

    2. njfilly says:

      Dear MB,

      I have read SATN and I can understand the lesson is to explain to us how narcissists view sex and use it against us. I have also listened to Hush and Spanked and honestly, I’m not sure what the lessons are supposed to be. I enjoyed them both very much, but the lessons are lost on me so I must say that I did not learn anything.

      If I was meant to learn more about myself, well, I already know myself in the area of sex and I knew I would enjoy those audios for their eroticism and entertainment value, nothing else.

      I read in another comment you made that you have bought and listened to all 11 audios of The Dark Cupid series. I plan to as well. Again, for the eroticism and entertainment only. May I ask you please, if it’s not too personal, what do you think you learned from this series in general as well as related to yourself?

      I hope you are well and enjoying your grandchild.


  22. NarcAngel says:

    I see several selections of Dark Cupid available in the Knowledge Vault. Does not participating in this process prevent me from purchasing them? My money will be refused?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Answer. No and no.

      1. Truthseeker6157 says:

        This then raises a question as to “the protecting factors.”
        If people can purchase the material without going through the process then there are in fact no protecting factors. I restate my concerns with certain parts of this material.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          No. The price is a protecting factor, the warning is restated in The Knowledge Vault and the fact is that people will (and this has been borne out by the responses) addressed the three lines of detailed, the process and its very existence is a protecting factor. People have recognised whether this is something they ought to embrace or not. Contrary to what was first thought, this has not been provided on the basis of allowing some people access and others not to have access and thus create division, but rather has put in place particular elements (which people have recognised) which cause people to ascertain whether they should access it or not. My role is not a paternalistic one. I have balanced between allowing people to access it if they really want to (thus nobody is excluded – they have all been in Te Knowledge Vault) and providing mechanisms which allow evaluation as to whether people are ready to access it.

          1. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Thank you for the further clarification HG.
            I read your response to NA and drew an incorrect conclusion.
            On this occasion I am happy to be proved wrong.

          2. HG Tudor says:

            Not a problem, always pleased to clarify.

          3. MommyPino says:

            Hi HG, I noticed that not all Dark Cupid materials were recommended to me. Does our personal responses help determine which materials get recommended to us?

          4. HG Tudor says:

            No, it does not. The list of material has increased beyond the first access list provided to you, it is a growing work and you may, if you wish, access them as you see fit.

          5. NarcAngel says:

            A description of the content (as is provided for everything else on offer in The Knowledge Vault) is all that is required if it is available to anyone willing to pay the price at the end of the day. I am quite capable of evaluating if something might be of interest/assistance to me, or if I am ready to access it by reading the (normally supplied) content description. I do not see it necessary to be tested by submitting to an exercise that assumes I need to “think” more (read: google) and that furthermore has my “personal” interpretation open to a pass or fail.

            I have given strong opinion on this because I really hope this is not to become the norm for obtaining material in future. I’m not a fan (in case that wasn’t already patently clear) and have already been proven to have diminished ability in being able to meet the demands of such an exercise.

            NA (Not Amused).

          6. MB says:

            NA, I understand your point of view and I do give a rat’s ass. I don’t remember ever having read such strong criticism from you of HG’s procedures and that in itself is reason enough for me to sit up and pay attention. I respect you and I always consider your opinions not only valid, but valuable blog-wide. HG’s work and the blog have been transforming since day one. It’s a totally different atmosphere just since I came aboard in March 2018. We’ve seen lots of “firsts” this past year, maybe more than ever before and it continues to evolve.

            I don’t really have a point except to say, I hear you and I see where you are coming from and I admire your courage to express your view. This is a very special environment indeed.

          7. MommyPino says:

            Thank you for the answer HG!

          8. Violetta says:


            I’m horrible at the quizzes, which are multiple choice. I did better on this because I treated it as short essay questions (which others may not have–I think it was purposely left open-ended).

            I’m not accessing this for the time being because my priority is work narcs, but I saw it as an educational game. Like much of KTN, it’s designed to get us to look at things from a different perspective, but to have fun along the way.

            We all have different learning styles. I’m not primarily visual, so I frequently miss the finer points of the illustrations until someone else points them out. HG’s literary allusions work well for me, and his references to Depeche Mode undoubtedly have more resonance for readers who are long-time fans.

            This particular approach doesn’t work well for you. I can understand that you might want to avoid it, unless you can take it in the spirit I take the quizzes: curious to see how much I know, but not particularly devastated if I barely make it over 50%.

            The true test of all of this is whether we are applying it in our lives. You may be doing much better on that than I am.

  23. WokeAF says:

    And now we all go get matching ankle tattoos

  24. NarcAngel says:

    I’ll give my final thoughts on this and be done if HG will allow.

    I originally had confusion (small print before revision) but after that I chose not to participate. It’s not that I’m unable, but opposed.

    Here’s why from a different perspective. (Please keep in mind I’m not saying this was HG’s intention, but what I saw):

    I saw a carrot dangled with promise of reward (access) to the next step (? – unknown), by applying (really?) to prove my intelligence (in being able to google a translation and then offer it with a personal one?), which may or may not be accepted and rewarded with advance (likely leading to a product that I will pay for). It amounting to a type of (to my mind) triangulation/comparison (those deemed successful vs those who were not or who did not participate).

    Does that not sound a familiar dynamic?

    I thought people had had enough jumping through hoops, proving themselves, and being compared against others, and this felt like that to me, yet at first opportunity the line formed quickly. How does this bode for situations outside of here I wondered.

    I had these thoughts about the quiz results as well but said nothing then. The purpose of them is to gauge your personal progress, but it quickly turned to posting individual results which ends in comparison and people taking the quizzes over and finding ways to manipulate the score etc. HG played no part in that. I see this as a place of learning – not competing with others. With regard to both the quizzes and this exercise, I am open to information offered but I will not compete or prove myself to get it.

    There are comments here that express:

    Hoping to get it right
    Attempting a third time
    Not understanding the process
    Admitting to feeling really dumb

    If that doesn’t sound unhealthy or exclusionary I don’t know what does.

    I want to be clear that I am not saying that HG did this with any ill intent or to cause exclusion. On the contrary- I saw it as more of a novel marketing tool to lather up interest in a new offering and one he thought might be fun, but HG has previously stated that he is here to learn about us also, so I have given my opinion on this kind of exercise and it’s possible effect on some. If HG and the majority see no issue with it, so be it, but I put it out there for consideration for those who do not. I am a huge proponent of the site and whatever leads to success for all in the end. I do recognize that it is HG’s blog and it is his decision on how he chooses to run it.


    1. FYC says:

      Hi NA, You know how much I appreciate you on many levels and often agree with you. In this case, I can assure you that your read on this was kind and protective toward sweet FM1T, but incorrect in the balance. If I had not accessed the package, I would not be able to affirm this. The reason HG’s exercise was appropriately placed is because if you were to listen to this content without looking beyond the overt manipulation you would miss the true intent entirely. If a random person-off-the-street accessed this content they no doubt would react strongly. They would probably say it warrants an R or X rating (or black box warning haha), but they would be missing the whole point. This package delivers a very vivid example of how certain behaviors are easily misinterpreted and the true N intent lost. You will understand when you purchase even one of these. Knowing how much you appreciate SATN, you will appreciate these as a vivid example. You will also, I believe, have a new view on HG’s approach and will reflect back on the latin phrases.

      Further, given many comments on this blog over the few years, I can assure you that if those same people understood the message of this package, they would no longer miss a certain element of their past relationship, they would see it for what it is and for what it does for the narcissist.

      1. NarcAngel says:

        “If I had not accessed the package, I would not be able to affirm this.”

        But you did access the package. You understood the instruction, you submitted “the literal” and “the personal”, your offering was deemed successful (likely first try, which was not the case for all) and you advanced to the next step (which was an unknown btw). Great. I have not, and that is rather the point. I maintain this is unnecessary. If the appropriate content description is provided just as it is for all other KV products (see my other post regarding this) a random person off the street should not be lost or reacting strongly as they would know what to expect. If the submission is personal I fail to see how you can be unsuccessful, and if as you point out – HG is not critical and wants everyone to succeed and leads you to that success, then whats the point? I am as surprised by everyone’s reaction to this as they are to mine I assure you. It has been a learning experience for me all the same – without access.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Nearly all got it first time.
          The product is not for the random person off the street and it is not designed for the first person off the street, hence the deployed mechanism.
          Further, if you know what to expect, it completely defeats the purpose for which it is designed, hence no description is provided.

          1. blackcoffee30 says:

            It is my understanding that HG made a non-negotiable offer.

            1. Pay full price.


            2. Complete the task and get the discounted rate.

            Is this understanding incorrect? Whether or not there is a description, one takes a chance on the value of the material as it applies to them and their overall opinion of the content. In my case, having listened to the first offering, knowing more before purchase would likely have dissuaded me and been a disservice.

            If I had not been able to complete the task, I wonder if I would have accepted the offer. We will never know…

          2. lickemtomorrow says:

            Every step leading into “Dark Cupid” is a step toward expecting the unexpected.

            In some ways it is a test. Designed by HG. Preparing us for what lies ahead.

            I have been incremental in my approach as I felt this was what HGs design and the material required.

            Is there an element of compliance? Most certainly. In order to be taught we must be teachable.

            It is not for everyone. If we don’t see the point then there is no point for us.

            And as per HGs narcissism it is transactional in nature. Not everything is given up as easily and for the insight provided one must provide some insight of their own.

            I applied my insight to HG, but it could just as easily be applied to me.

            Exclusion is not intentional, but a core wound for some. And access is not denied.

            Fortunately for me this was a challenge I enjoyed meeting. The outcome of taking up the challenge is yet to be decided. But I know I will learn more about myself and about HG in the process.

        2. FYC says:

          NA, What I am saying is this: I failed to read the small text. I saw HG’s comment to FM1T to read, and then I took a closer look. I am quick to click. I’ll blame shift to my grade school speed reading requirement! I interpreted the literal easily, that is not difficult. I then applied it to my personal interpretation and how such an interpretation applied to me. For me the instruction, “be literal, be personal” was obvious. What I was saying about purchasing the material and affirming this is the case, is not to say that one must purchase this to understand the meaning of this approach. I am saying the content affirms that the approach was and is wise. It is not a slight nor a contest. It is preparation for what is to come. I promise you it is not as you see it, but I certainly understand what you are saying and feeling. I just think you are missing the real intent. I aimed to assist. You know HG better than this. He often says a great deal in few words. That is all this is. He wants us to work this out for a good reason, not a narcissistic reason. I’ll bow out, I just wanted to put your mind at ease and to tell you the truth. I’m sorry if you feel offended. No offense intended.

          1. NarcAngel says:

            I took no offence to anything you wrote, but for the love of ……………….work WHAT out?! Haha -that is the problem. I see voluntary compliance and some clever marketing but still NO PUZZLE (or necessity).

          2. FYC says:

            It is not about compliance. Just apply the meaning of the latin quotes to your life and learning experience here. If none apply to you, please do share, how is this possible? Trust me, this is not for marketing purposes. To the contrary.

          3. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Just an observation NA, one thing that stands out to me here above all else is just how well respected and valued you are here on the blog. Deservedly so. I totally respect your views and decision on this topic. That holds true whether you choose to access the material or not. You always listen to me, always have faith and try to see where I am coming from on things. I thank you for that and will always support your comments. In some ways we are coming at this from two different view points. I have been trying to ensure careful filters to access are in place. You have been trying to ensure access and respect for the feelings of all readers. I would hazard a guess that we both have the same aims at heart. The well-being of people here on the blog. In this way whilst I can’t promise that we will always agree on everything, I can promise that I’ll always recognise the place your comments come from x

        3. Asp Emp says:

          NA, you’re a brill contributor to this site. Don’t be negative about this article. If I could PM you (and tell you how I “passed” but didn’t access anything), I’d do it but HG being the God, creator of KTN has the final say. You’re brill at everything else – let this one go. Rise above it NA. What you contribute is more than I have. Relax lass.

          1. WokeAF says:

            Dark Cupid was fun but NA , you arent missing any new information and in your case I doubt you will experience any massive self revelations from the material. I haven’t, and I’m a huge navel gazer.
            It was a fun listen, at least for a while, I never did purchase the last entry and I still haven’t gotten around to listening to the second – last one .

            NA I admire how well you know yourself and applied all you’ve learned to this situation.

          2. WokeAF says:

            I should add I don’t mean to “diss” the product .
            It was interesting ,& fun ! – but something’s “off” about how much hoopla is around accessing it – my above comment is a nod to NA in that I agree with her logic

          3. WokeAF says:

            Also ASP- telling NA to “rise above it “ , I think , is missing the fact she’s not using ET , she’s actually using LT , and I appreciate any infusion of LT from KTN commenters

          4. NarcAngel says:

            Oh, trust that it is a testament to my state of relaxation that I will indeed let this one go.

        4. MommyPino says:

          NA, I don’t see it as voluntary compliance. I got access the ability to access it through this exercise but I haven’t purchased any of the materials yet. I am still deliberating about it and reading the comments of those who have read the materials to make an estimation if the material is right for me. I participated in the exercise not to compete with anyone or to prove anything to anyone. I participated mostly because of my curiosity and wanting to know what that material is because maybe it can be valuable to me just like the many materials that I have purchased here. I can understand a lot of your point but I see this from a different perspective. I have been to retreats and seminars where there have been exercises that we participate in, in order to have an information revealed to us in the end. That is how I saw it. That’s all. It is a game similar to games being given in seminars and retreats which make learning more fun and adds to the appreciation of the information. It doesn’t matter to me if I didn’t get it while others did or vice versa because in the end I am only answerable to myself in my own journey of healing and self improvement. I don’t need validation from anyone, not even HG. I am on my journey on my own and I only have myself to compare myself with. The reason I am trying to be better and to heal is my family, not to gain any kudos from anyone. Also in terms of exclusivity, it doesn’t bother me. It is always my decision to participate or not. There is an exclusive forum here that I cannot access because I chose to not buy the Knowing HG materials. It doesn’t bother me at all because it was my decision.

  25. Asp Emp says:

    My take on this ‘exercise’ is – how you, as individuals, interpret the quotations and / or the meanings of the translated wordings.

    “Be Literal” “Be Personal” “Application” – the definitions of these to also be taken into consideration.

    In my view – it is not specifically about narcissism. Yes, it may be indirectly about narcissism.

    It depends, how you understand the ‘objectives’ of this game. Yes, in a way, I view this ‘exercise’ as one of HG’s games but you do need to apply your own interpretation.

  26. Asp Emp says:

    hoc erat fun!

  27. Asp Emp says:

    Yay! I really enjoyed deciphering this ‘puzzle’ of yours HG. I look forward to the next one 🙂

  28. lisk says:

    An aside: The Recent Comments icons alternating between HG and blackcoffee30 look particularly evocative/hot.

    1. blackcoffee30 says:

      I see it now and agree. (Violet Chachki is everything I want to be when I grow up.)

  29. lickemtomorrow says:

    The box of chocolates that is HG has been opened again and another delicacy enjoyed.

    Gratias tibi, HG.

  30. MB says:

    For the dirtiest empaths only! Wow. Just wow. Should come with a warning, HG!

    1. blackcoffee30 says:

      MB ~ Ok, now I’m freaked out and scared to try to gain access. 😭

      1. HG Tudor says:

        It is not mandatory.

        1. blackcoffee30 says:


      2. MB says:

        I don’t mean to freak you out BC30. I enjoyed the material very much in a creepy, erotic way (if I can say that) but this is different than anything HG has done. You won’t be the same after. At least I’m not.

        1. WokeAF says:

          Mb which did you purchase first

          1. MB says:

            Woke AF, The first one, Part 1. I’m not sure if I can type the name here.

        2. blackcoffee30 says:

          This is was not what I expected, but you describe it well. I believe the further along I go, the more difficult it will be for me.

          1. MB says:

            BC30, Some of the episodes have been difficult for me also.

        3. Fiddleress says:

          MB, may I ask you in what way you are not the same?
          I have just had a major awakening (no, not religious), on top or rather as a complement of the enormous change over the past six months since finding HG, and I don’t think I can take another one any time soon. Seriously.

          1. MB says:

            Fiddleress, major awakenings are exciting! Like you, I’ve had much personal transformation since finding HG’s work. There have been unexpected personal breakthroughs on this journey. Some positive, some painful but necessary.

            I’ll never be the same in that it has changed the way I perceive HG. (My Tudorite “relationship” with him if you will.) I can’t go back to “before” Dark Cupid. There is an innocence and a naivety that has been lost.

            I’d be interested to know others’ thoughts.

          2. Fiddleress says:

            Hi MB,
            Like truthseeker, I think I understand what you mean, and/but it is indeed difficult to discuss it without discussing it.

            The part you are referring to has not changed my view of HG, but for half a day after listening I wondered if I would be able to speak to him in a consultation again without blushing and stammering, haha.
            However, truth be told I only felt (imagined) the presence of a spirit, not an actual person made of flesh and bones – which gave me the space to relate what I was hearing to my own experiences at large, in life.

            I decided, after asking how it had changed you, MB (and before seeing your reply), that I could take another change after all; 2020 has been a crazy year of changes for me so far, and all for the better in the end.
            So it’s onwards and upwards.

            Maybe your change is or will be temporary, MB?

          3. MB says:

            Hi Fiddleress, I’m not referring to “that” part (the sexual). Like you wrote, it’s difficult to discuss without discussing it and there are things I dare not write anyway. I’m a stuffer, not a talk it outter. My brain will, as it always does, sift the material and retain it for me in compartments. (I reject negativity as a coping mechanism.) There are some compartments I choose not to visit, ever. Lord only knows what I’ve stuffed in there over a lifetime! So in that way, yes, it will most likely be temporary as I take on board the information and get it processed. Some experiences take longer to sift than others.

          4. Fiddleress says:

            Ah. More surprises to come then, apparently!
            I am only at the beginning, but now I am definitely intrigued and curious.
            I will probably understand better what you mean when I have listened to all the episodes (it will take me some time to obtain all).
            Your brain probably works this way to protect you from your sensitivity. I have often been told that I am too sensitive too, but somehow, I always pull through.

          5. MB says:

            Fiddleress, lots of surprises indeed. Yes, my brain tries to protect me from all strong emotions. I tend to live in a muted state because of this.

          6. MommyPino says:

            “ I’ll never be the same in that it has changed the way I perceive HG. (My Tudorite “relationship” with him if you will.) I can’t go back to “before” Dark Cupid. There is an innocence and a naivety that has been lost.”

            Intriguing. I might purchase it just to find out what you mean! If I had unlimited money I would buy all of his materials without hesitation. But since I don’t it takes me longer to decide which ones is the most appropriate for me and purchased soonest.

          7. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Hey MB,
            I totally get why you say that. For my part I don’t think my view of HG has changed. I think he has chosen a context that we can all relate to or at least imagine. I don’t think he has chosen that context for context’s sake. There are questions to be asked of ourselves here also. It is a very brave body of work in that sense. I see it as an illustration rather than a personification, so my view of HG hasn’t changed.

            So hard to discuss this without discussing it!

          8. HG Tudor says:

            Valid observation.

        4. blackcoffee30 says:

          MB — How far have you gotten?

          I’ve only listened to the first one. I plan to listen to the second one tonight.

          1. MB says:

            BC30, I’ve listened to 11 of them. Some more than once.

    2. Alexissmith2016 says:

      Dirty smart girls!

    3. Sweetest Perfection says:

      Hahaha I can imagine how many in the blog are gonna listen to this this weekend again and again and again. Speaking of euphemisms, blackcoffee, HG doesn’t care for them…

      1. blackcoffee30 says:

        Ah, but I do, and now…

        “I won’t tell you that I love you, kiss or hug you
        ‘Cause I’m bluffin’ with my muffin”

    4. StrongerWendy says:

      It’s for clean empaths too… 😊😉

  31. Truthseeker6157 says:

    I have accessed the new material. I’m intrigued!

    Thank you HG!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome.

  32. StrongerWendy says:

    I have achieved access to the materials. Fascinating! Thank you HG

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome.

  33. fox says:

    Success! I have solved the puzzle! Come on guys, you’ve got this!

  34. Sweetest Perfection says:

    Omg omg. Guys, this is cool!!!

    1. Sweetest Perfection says:

      I love the “enigma,” HG.

  35. Sweetest Perfection says:

    Now, watch me being totally wrong hahaha. At least, I liked what I read into it.

  36. Sweetest Perfection says:

    I must say this is very beautiful. Please don’t attack me guys! It’s a good application of Tudor University learning. And it can be applied in a personal manner.

    1. njfilly says:

      Oh no! I don’t do very well on the Tudor University quizzes!

      I will attempt an interpretation and make a submission.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Good, the attempting is what it is about.

    2. Emma286 says:

      “Please don’t attack me guys!”

      Does that kind of thing happen here often?

      1. HG Tudor says:

        No. See the comments and you will see that it does not.

        1. Emma286 says:

          Just strikes me that if anybody, within any internet community type, feels they have to go out of their way to ask others not to attack them before they state they like something then that’s a likely indicator of it). Still, will do.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Read the comments and you will find the vast majority contain nothing remotely close to an “attack”.

  37. NarcAngel says:

    The revision hasn’t helped. I’m aware of it. I’ve read your previous interpretation and Vi’s. What is the point?

    If it’s to cull those you find intellectually lacking or have people become disinterested, congratulations.

    The instructions are clear when we’re purchasing something. This is unnecessary.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Its a puzzle, NA.

      1. fox says:

        I love a good puzzle. 🙂 I hope I get it right.

    2. NarcAngel says:

      My here’s my opinion on that:

      It doesn’t promote participation and it’s bad form when you insult people or make them feel small by telling them to “read” when it has been presented intentionally in an obscure way and they HAVE read it and have asked for help. The only puzzle I saw was in your responses. For every person who admitted they did not understand, there are many more not willing to put themselves out there by admitting they don’t.

      You are a better teacher than that.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Fair enough.

      2. HG Tudor says:

        When I explained “read” the individual had missed the small print, hence why I encouraged them to read so they would see it. Numerous people have got it correct, some have tried and only did so partially and in response I have given them further information to help them.

        1. NarcAngel says:

          You did not know they missed the small print – you assumed that. I read the small print and it made no difference to me. You have since revised the accompaniment which appears to have aided some. Good for them and for you. You have achieved exclusivity.

          1. NarcAngel says:

            So we all go to Google for a translation to find it’s pretty much what Vi wrote. We then submit it to the email instead of on here to give our interpretation and are told if it’s “right”?

            What’s the puzzle?

          2. HG Tudor says:

            Well, the fact you haven’t yet worked it out does tend to suggest it is puzzling, NA! If I explain further, it becomes pointless. Please see my other reply to you.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            I know they missed the small print.

            It is not exclusive and you will see that that is the case. If I explain the workings of it, there is nothing to work out is there, NA? The working it out is part of the whole and once you have, you will see why I cannot explain any further. The point is to try by making a submission and then see what happens next, I do not want to write anymore to take away from what is trying to achieve. I daresay you may find this frustrating but it is really not design to exclude but instead to cause people to think.

          4. Truthseeker6157 says:


            I know how you are looking at this and where you’re coming from.

            Remember when you commented about the Angel Assistance material? The point you were making that some Knowledge Vault packages were more necessary than others depending on stage of recovery. Some material like Narc Tales is a lovely to have rather than a need to have.

            Similar thing here. Newer readers will likely draw less from Dark Cupid than readers such as yourself who have been here longer and who are further along in recovery.

            The puzzle is about interpretation. That interpretation comes from time spent here on the blog and the understanding that that brings.

            I don’t see it as excluding anyone, but a bit like AAF, some pieces are more relevant to some than others. It’s not about the length of time you have been here necessarily, more, where you are up to in your own personal recovery.

            Hope this helps to clarify the objective a little.

          5. K says:

            Initially, I thought it was bulletin to conquer Emotional Thinking and I didn’t give it much thought.

          6. Violetta says:


            To be fair to my Latin teachers, I only needed Google for the long middle one. I only verified the others after being pretty sure I could read them on my own.

            That said, I’m crap at puzzles (as you already know from KHG, where any contribution I’ve been able to make is through luck or random inspiration), so you’re in good company.

          7. MommyPino says:

            Truthseeker, I don’t know what revisions were made. I only saw this after a few commenters have already accessed it. I was confused first and was looking for a link. When I have read the comments from people who accessed it, it made me look back and more carefully and realized what the instruction is. I don’t know for sure but I may have given up if I saw the post earlier without seeing other commenters comment that they were able to do it.

            It does look intriguing and fun though and am thankful for the chance to access it.

        2. FYC says:

          Excellent quotes, HG! It is a fair point you made to “read,” because I only read the fine print after reading the comments. I simply saw the beautiful graphic and directly clicked on the Knowledge Vault. The KV does not offer the same small print. You may wish to use the same text on both sites. I’ll go back and add the personal. A thought: A hyperlink from the main banner to the Knowledge Vault would also be beneficial for easy and ongoing access.

          I’m sorry to see others frustrated. HG values his readers and I do not think he meant anything derogatory. I found this a fun exercise. I very much doubt HG will be critical of any submissions. He wants people to have access to his work. It is a win win.

          1. SMH says:

            Not answering or replying to anyone in particular but I think the puzzle/exercise is to see where we are in our recovery, and maybe to see how closely we are able to think like a narc. I got the literal translation very quickly on the first try (thanks, Google) but more importantly, I easily applied it to myself. What that says about me, other than that my ET is very low, I do not know, but I believe that the analysis is at least partly in the literal and personal translations/interpretations.

          2. HG Tudor says:


      3. WhoCares says:

        It’s okay NA, I feel like a dolt too.
        I am puzzled out from KHG.

        1. blackcoffee30 says:

          Welp. My first submission was incorrect. Submission #2 has been sent. We shall see if there will be need for a Submission #3. I will keep you apprised.

          I maintain solidarity with those who are locked out and cannot access. You are not alone. #solidarity #empathicsupport

        2. NarcAngel says:

          It has nothing to do with me working it out (I can google and email to get an answer just like everyone else if I were so inclined) and everything to do with how it was handled.

          FM1T is a long time reader, positive participant on the blog, and client. She expressed that she had tried to access it in several ways and that she felt she had let you down in not being able to. I felt her disappointment. You responded “read” and she responded that she did. When it became clear she was not the only one THEN there was a revision and it was revealed to be some purported “puzzle” in a subsequent comment and with a bit more instruction.

          Then there were responses of “I got it” and “cool” and rightly so for those who got a favourable result (and let’s not pretend that everyone “got it” before the revision). That can have the opposite effect of having you “think” and more the feeling of exclusion and giving up if you think everyone understands but you. That is how many were made to feel before they got here – small and excluded. It could have been presented differently from the start. The way it was handled presented as a competition. Are you with the cool kids? Do you “get it”? Not cool.

          I don’t feel like a dolt. Far from it. I feel disgust.

          But I’m sure nobody gives a rat’s ass.

          1. WhoCares says:

            None of us are ACTUALLY dolts.
            Those who “applied” and succeeded should come on over to the KHG Forum and apply those amazing brain cells.

            My first impression of this post, before the revisions were added, was that it was signifying a new avenue of learning.

            If you go look in Knowledge Vault, and filter for newest additions, there is a series of new stuff.

          2. truthseeker6157 says:


            I give a rat’s ass.

            I did think about that actually. I wasn’t going to say I had gained access to the material for that reason. I was just going to look at it and see what it was all about.

            I regret commenting now for the reason you stated, especially given that I did consider that point. I commented more with the idea of showing it was doable rather than trumpeting my ‘success’.

            I apologise if I came across wrong. You clearly feel strongly about this and I do understand your point of view.

            Having now listened to Part 1 of the material I can say that it is very different in style. I followed the instructions and I think I know where HG is going with it. It’s something I’ve considered about myself but not necessarily wanted to admit to. I need to think more about it. I maintain that this material is only truly useful when you are less emotionally weighed down by ET. I can say honestly, it would have been largely lost on me a few months ago. Pleasurable listening definitely, but that would have been all.

            I can see why this material is accessed by e mail not the usual Knowledge Vault route. I think HG has added the puzzle to get a fix on how we are viewing ourselves currently. There is an element here of us needing to be ready to consider things about ourselves differently than perhaps we are used to. As such it would be a wasted purchase if, we either aren’t wired that way, or if we aren’t recovered enough yet to benefit. I recognise that this feels frustrating. If I was in the early stages of recovery and wasn’t able to access the material I’d be frustrated. I have to admit though, some material only has value when accessed at the right time. This is an example of that.

            Honestly, if I thought this exercise was done with the intention to make people feel small or stupid I would stand beside you and raise utter hell! I don’t stand for that, not at all, even if your name is HG. It isn’t though NA, the intentions here are honourable. Could it have been done a different way? Possibly. In my view though the thinking behind this exercise wasn’t about exclusion. It was about each individual purchasing the right information at the right time.

          3. FoolMe1Time says:


            To be honest I felt exactly the way you just described. HG did not set out to make me feel that way, it was a natural response from years of abuse,
            the feeling of not being good enough, never doing anything right etc. Before I found HG, the blog, and you dear NA, I would have never had the courage to even ask for help and I would have given up before I really ever got started. I sincerely hope the other’s out there that did not understand or could not gain access do not feel small or excluded, but instead feel empowered by having someone like you always looking out for us and understanding. I didn’t give up and I sincerely hope they don’t either! Thank you NA!

            Thank you HG for allowing us to express ourselves on here. I know there are people out there that are so frightened and unsure of themselves reading this. Please do not feel as if you do not matter. On this blog you matter! Your thoughts and feelings are important to us and we are here to listen,( read ) support, and help if we can.

          4. WokeAF says:

            Truth seeker
            “ It’s something I’ve considered about myself but not necessarily wanted to admit to”

            I realized it and gave into it sometime during the eternity that has been and continues to be 2020.

            I’ve just applied to return to university to get my BA in psychology – at the age of 46, well 50 or older by the time I finish – just so I can somehow birth what I’ve learned here into the realms of this physical life that I wander.

            (( I wanted to take philosophy but I figure I will actually need a job to pay what will be a hefty student loan. 😆 I’ll minor in it… for some reason the idea of actually majoring in philosophy conjures up the infamous line
            “ Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords“…

          5. Sweetest Perfection says:

            WokeAF, never too late for education, I’m very happy for you, congrats on your decision! My advice: get all the information you can about scholarships for continuing education and take advantage of the generalized online teaching trend; it’s usually more economic to take online classes. Although now that universities can’t charge for boarding or meal plans I’m sure they are charging more for course tuition..

          6. WhoCares says:


            “I’ve just applied to return to university to get my BA in psychology – at the age of 46, well 50 or older by the time I finish – just so I can somehow birth what I’ve learned here into the realms of this physical life”

            That is awesome, good for you!

          7. Truthseeker6157 says:


            I think you deciding to do a BA in Psychology is amazing. I’m sure you will love it and bring an added dimension to the course material. It’s great to have people with varying backgrounds and life experience on a degree course, I suspect even more so with that particular degree.

            I’d love to do the same thing. I’d love the course but hate the exams. I’m pretty much test phobic so would rather put glass in my shoes and cocktail sticks in my eyes than take a test. Ha ha.

            I take my hat of to you for making such a bold decision.

          8. Whitney says:

            Hi NA
            HG always uses as few words as possible, ie “read”, or to answer a long, detailed question “no”, or in response to someone’s heartfelt message “thank you”.

            I think you are misconscruing his comment “read”

            Also HG loves puzzles, that’s all.

          9. Intrepid Traveller says:

            NA I too felt like you State you did above on my initial look at the post And was feeling your first train of thought about being minimalised etc. For myself I think this is either a narcissistic trait of mine own or a trigger from my past. I returned when I was in total ‘me’ time In my head and dropped my initial emotional response and enjoyed the puzzle. You, in particular, NA, will enjoy the deeper meanings of the Latin quotes if you read past the literal interpretations. H.G., i am now wondering, were , do you think, some of our ancient philosophers Greater narcissists?

          10. NarcAngel says:

            I appreciate you trying to shed some light, but one cannot determine if the material will be beneficial or if they are accessing it at the right time for them if they don’t even know what is going on or have not “succeeded” (not even sure how that’s determined if it’s based on the “personal”. If it’s the case you believe HG is determining this before allowing access to a product, then that suggests a test and not a puzzle. I would not have previously thought he would deny you access to a product based on one’s readiness but perhaps I’m wrong. If that is not the case and you are free to purchase the “next step” then I don’t see the point of the translation exercise. I’ll ask.

          11. Mercy says:


            “I don’t feel like a dolt. Far from it. I feel disgust.

            But I’m sure nobody gives a rat’s ass.”

            This seems a little harsh. Don’t forget that a narcissist runs this show. He’s not here to be gentle with our feelings. That’s our job. As far as the last part, most of us actually do give a rats ass about you and your opinions. I hope you know that and were just having a bad day.

          12. NarcAngel says:

            I acknowledge it was a mistake to put the rat’s ass comment, so you’re right to call me on it. I really meant because everyone who had succeeded in accessing it appeared to being enjoying some particularly steamy sexual content and therefor would not be bothering themselves with my comments. I see that it could be/was taken differently and for that I apologize.

        3. blackcoffee30 says:

          Well here we are. I am submitting attempt #3 shortly.

        4. blackcoffee30 says:

          Submission #3 unlocked the material. I thought my initial solution was far to obvious and simple– it wasn’t. The translation has already been provided. Just make it mean something.

      4. WhoCares says:

        Although, I must say, it is a beautiful graphic.

      5. Fiddleress says:

        I did read the small print before HG said to, and I did get the Latin quotes before Violetta kindly provided the translation – I had even worked out what K added, and still I am left puzzled and don’t know what to write in an email to HG. You and the other ‘puzzled out’ can count another member in your club.
        But as I’m not bothered about flunking, I may well give it a shot when I’m quietly settled at home later on.
        Though I still don’t see myself as a dirty empath, MB, which may go to show how delusional I am, haha.

        Been doing some second-quote-in-Latin work on myself these past few days, no idea if that will help with the puzzle.

    3. WokeAF says:

      I googled , I dunno. I don’t have the time , it sucks, but hopefully it will be made clear for me at some point if it’s helpful in understanding narcissism

      1. WokeAF says:

        Oh ok my daily check in for new material revealed the how
        As to whether I’ll qualify , I dunno, looks like it’ll be good stuff for sure

        All the new material is stellar so here’s hoping

        1. WokeAF says:

          Yeah I got it .
          Probably bc I’m already a … navel gazer? Was that the term?

          1. Sweetest Perfection says:

            Guys take this like a game, did you feel excluded while playing Dungeons and Dragons when you couldn’t find the password to open a gate? In most cases we tend to complicate things more than what is actually needed. I can’t tell you what it is because then HG is gonna send me to the dungeon but it really is what he says: provide the literal meaning and then apply to your own personal experience (in this context). I must admit I know Latin but that’s not necessary, you can google the quote. I’m not trying to sound pretentious, it’s not about intelligence, I swear.

          2. HG Tudor says:


          3. Duchessbea says:

            WokeAF, fair play going back to uni. I hope it all goes very well. Remember age is just a number, get out there and live your best life and be your best self. Much love.

    4. 1jaded1 says:

      Narc Angel. You are one of a handful of reasons I keep to this site. I value what you have to say. I don’t know if you will ever see this. I’m still delving through the post, but I wanted to let you know. Hope you are staying safe in these crazy fn times. Jaded.

      1. NarcAngel says:

        I appreciate that Jaded and am always happy to see you pop in so that I know you are still reading. I read for instance that you have been hoovered lately and was happy to see that you have remained vigilant against any further contact. I thought that would be the case, but was glad of the confirmation all the same. I hope you are well and as always, wish you much happiness.


        1. 1jaded1 says:

          Thank you, NarcAngel. No further contact ever.

  38. K says:

    Step 1: by conquering your ET you win life’s most important battles.

    Step 2: Don’t start at the top, begin at the bottom (in hell).

    Step 3: Find out how to do it; dare to know.

    1. WokeAF says:

      My interpretation was different yet the same .

      1. MommyPino says:

        My interpretation on 2 was different but I still got access. I think HG recognizes the personal interpretations can be different for each of us. Number 3 is not exactly the same interpretation but partly similar.

        1. HG Tudor says:


  39. Claire says:

    Vincit qui se vincit , apologies for asking again , HG but does it mean that you would like the readers to submit their successful stories of escaping the Dark Cupid and maintaining the NC intact after educating themselves and implementing all the logic and wisdom from your work? It might be very inspirational to read such stories , the battles and the hurdles one has experienced toward their freedom.
    Veni legi vici

    1. HG Tudor says:

      No, Claire, although that it is an interesting interpretation. It is a puzzle, the first part is simple enough, you look above. What you see above, you address literally and then with what you have ascertained literally (and I allowed a comment which gave a considerable helping hand in that direction) you then apply that literal aspect to the personal (i.e. yourself) and that has latitude in interpretation. You then submit those three steps, it is not something that has to be detailed or long at all.

      1. Claire says:

        Thank you very much for the detailed explanation, HG! I was not able to access the link yesterday and I was wondering why. Although I have learned Latin previously – it was a compulsory subject at Uni for my other professional qualification ,I was not sure how to apply the translation in terms of accessing the material.

  40. FoolMe1Time says:

    Congratulations on your blogs 5 year anniversary HG!! Here’s to many, many, more! 🍻🍺 💞

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are a little early FM1T, but thank you nevertheless!

    2. FoolMe1Time says:

      Apologies HG! Wrong day!!

  41. lickemtomorrow says:

    OMG, I just read about this one recently and was going to ask you about it HG. Now I don’t have to.

    Or do I?

    Violetta has kindly provided the backdrop …

    How exciting. I love Latin.

  42. MB says:

    *MB squeals with delight*

  43. Truthseeker6157 says:

    Is this a bit like an up market version of the Bachelor?

    Do we have to wear himations? ( If we do I need a new strapless bra)

    Masks or no masks? ( I think no, will wreak havoc with hair and make up)

    Will it be A I ? (All inclusive)

    Private jet, First or Business? (I know you would never fly us Cattle)

    Think that’s it for now.

    1. HG Tudor says:


      1. Truthseeker6157 says:

        Ok, then it must be option B then!

        Incoming …..

    2. Claire says:

      This is what I thought as well 🙂!
      Quid est hoc, HG?

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Read the small print.

        1. blackcoffee30 says:

          Initially, I didn’t see the fine print and thought it was just a cool graphic, maybe for an upcoming calendar.

      2. alexissmith2016 says:

        I thought this, ego sum stultus

        1. Truthseeker6157 says:

          Is that the same as, “Una cerveza por favor!” ?

          1. alexissmith2016 says:

            Crikey I don’t believe so but your one sounds like a lot more fun!

  44. Step says:

    Beautiful 🙂
    Lord Byron (my favourite “classic” Narcissist) would love this…

  45. FoolMe1Time says:

    When will this be available HG?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      It already is, if you know how to get it, FM1T.

      1. FoolMe1Time says:

        Apparently I don’t know how to get it HG! I’ve tried several different ways and nothing I’m doing is correct. I believe I have failed you this time HG?! Apologies

        1. HG Tudor says:


          1. FoolMe1Time says:

            I did.

          2. blackcoffee30 says:

            FMT you actually emailed HG and were told you were wrong?

            This is stressing me out more than the MCAT and LSAT.

          3. blackcoffee30 says:

            The answer to my question is, yes. My first two attempts were incorrect.

        2. lickemtomorrow says:

          FM1T, remember to read the small print.

          Maybe that is what HG is getting at …

          1. HG Tudor says:

            Read, understand, apply, submit.

          2. NarcAngel says:

            I read the small print. And? We’ve never had to make application to his email for other things. Succeed?


          3. HG Tudor says:

            Application has double meaning – to you and to me.

        3. NarcAngel says:

          Don’t feel bad. I don’t know what’s going on either and I’ve read it. It says will your application succeed and gives his email but that’s not really clear to me either.

          1. FoolMe1Time says:


            I don’t feel bad. I simply didn’t understand what the man wanted?! At first I thought he wanted us to translate the Latin, however when someone on here already did most of that for us, I thought I was wrong! I did miss the small print and when I finally seen it I thought there was some type of application to fill out with questions on it to send to him, which I could not find? Although I couldn’t understand why he would want to overload his inbox and put extra work on himself by having us submit an application to him?

            When his reply to my comment was “read” for once I didn’t take offense to it! There was not an exclamation at the end of the word, and he was taught to keep his letter writing short and direct, just as Matrinarc did.

            Ok I’ll admit it, I felt really dumb! I’m over it now, we can’t all be geniuses, can we? 😉💞xx

          2. Truthseeker6157 says:

            Could be worse FM1T,

            At least you didn’t suggest Dark Cupid was a dating show and talk about your lack of strapless bra.

            I feel sorry for someone who would put that.


          3. FoolMe1Time says:

            Oh TS! 😘💞

  46. December Infinity says:

    Is this supposed to be a book, consult or logic bulletin offered in Italian?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      It’s Latin.

    2. Violetta says:

      He conquers who conquers himself.

      Per Reddit: This statement by Virgil translated means “If I cannot deflect the will of superior powers, then I shall move the River Acheron.” A less literal and much more common translation is “If I cannot deflect the will of heaven, then I shall move hell.”

      Dare to know.

      1. blackcoffee30 says:

        HG responded to one of my comments with this not long ago.

      2. SMH says:

        Violetta, almost exactly what I sent HG. I used was Google translate and put my own evil twist on it. Let’s see what he says.

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