Protecting Others From the Narcissist




When you see a friend or a family member in our grip, what do you do?

I do not mean the instance where you see your replacement as intimate partner, somebody who is often a stranger to you, but occasionally might be somebody that you already know. Tempting as it may be, in such an instance, where you do not know your replacement and no matter how much you feel that you ought to warn this person, you are wasting your time.

The charming of the new victim is so intense and the smearing of you as the discarded replacement means that your chances of persuading the new victim that we are what we really are, amount to almost nil.

In such a situation you have your own defences to consider and you must leave the new victim to determine their own fate, harsh and heartless as it may sound, there is little hope for anything else.

But what of the situation where you had no or little prior involvement with our kind and you certainly had not been ensnared by us? What then where we snake our tendrils towards somebody that you care about?

It may be the case that you are sufficiently aware (and thus in a rare group of those who are so aware and observant) that you identify the person that you care about is in the midst of our seduction. You recognise the red flag (most likely because you have experienced themselves) and now you see them again, but applicable to your friend or family member. This might be that: –

–         You struggle to get to spend any time with this person because we monopolise their time;

–         They talk incessantly about us and how wonderful we are, making reference to how quickly we have fallen in love with them, how we want to whisk them away on a holiday within weeks of meeting or even noises are being made about engagement and/or living together with undue haste;

–         Your friend exhibits that starry-eyed, breathless and almost hypnotic reaction to our charm offensive;

–         Everything appears to revolve around us, they talk about what we do, what we want to do with them and what we have been doing.

You recognise the behaviours all too well. Both in terms of how the insidious tentacles of our kind are snaking around this person and also in terms of how they react.

You know what lies ahead. You know the illusion will be woven thicker, deeper and more tightly around our victim. You know how it will all turn sour as the devaluation begins and the abuse is unleashed. As undoubtedly an empathic person you have the overwhelming desire to want to help this person. You also feel obligated to share the knowledge, the “Narc Craft” which you have acquired. You may even feel evangelical about the need to prise open our grip and allow this person to be freed.

If you do decide to help, what hurdles will you face?

  1. The façade. We will have a ready-made façade of Lieutenants and members of our coterie who will only be too happy to vouch for us. These people will confirm what a great person we are, kind, honourable and how much we adore the person you are hoping to free. Not only will you be told this in order to unnerve and de-rail your attempt to secure this person’s freedom, but the target will be repeatedly exposed to this propaganda. It is your word against the word of many. You face an uphill battle in that regard;
  2. The addictive nature of the love-bombing. Everybody likes to be treated well. If a person is swept off their feet, treated like a queen, placed on a pedestal, complimented, feted, wooed, provided with treats and gifts, exposed to repeated delights and such like, what is there not to like? Who would ever want to give that up? This power of our charm, magnetism and love-bombing make it very difficult for the victim to say no and give up what is being offered to them.
  3. The mirroring. I have often explained that because of our mirroring that you fall in love with yourself. This is so compelling that should you try to intervene to halt this, then you are deny somebody themselves. That is difficult to achieve.
  4. Our ubiquity. In order to try to persuade the person that you care about that we are something other than we appear to be, you need to gain time with them to do this. We monopolise their time, either through our presence, our telephone calls, the creation of ever presence, our texting and the use of proxy behaviours through our lieutenants and our coterie. You are outnumbered and it makes your task all the more arduous.
  5. Smear. You will be smeared. When we arrive in the life of one of our victims we also like to charm those around this person. This is to bolster the façade and it is also to ensure that there are no hindrances to our seduction. We are adept at identifying those who are suspicious of our motives, those who are wary of our behaviour and who may well brief against us. Since we can detect this promptly, we will take steps to isolate you from our victim. Not only that, we will smear you in a variety of ways

–         You are jealous of what we and the victim have and we will invent conversations where that has been said;

–         You made a pass at us even though you knew we were with your friend/sister/cousin etc. Once again this is fabricated but we do this with such conviction based on our knowledge and experience that the victim nearly always takes our word over that of somebody else

–         You are trying to control the victim. A classic piece of projection where we suggest that you, as the intervening factor, are always seeking to control this person’s life. Of course you are only trying to do the right thing, but we shall paint this in a completely different light.

  1. We often select those victims who have suffered in some way previously. As a consequence, this means that the victim is ever so grateful to now have somebody as doting and kind as us. The very weakness which led to them suffering previously is exploited once again, causing them to cling tighter to us and to move away from you.
  2. Gullible. Most people are gullible. They wish to think well of people, they take people at face-value and this makes them vulnerable.
  3. Pre-empting. We identify that you are a troublemaker, someone who may try to thwart our ambitions with the victim. Accordingly, we tell the victim what we anticipate you will say about us. We may even admit to some of the things that we know you will say about us in order to demonstrate that we have nothing to hide. This endears us to our victim and also allows them to tell you, as their prospective freedom fighter, that we have already admitted to the allegation and explained why it happened. Thus the sting and heat is removed from your potential disclosure.

Faced with these hurdles, a determined and experienced opponent in us and a seemingly supine victim it is entirely understandable if you were to decide that there is no hope and you shall just have to let the matter run its course in the same way you would when you see your replacement being ensnared.

You have an advantage however.

This time you know the victim well. They know you well. They trust you.

Invariably you will only have one attempt to make them see the light. Repeated attempts to persuade them only causes you to play into our hands as the crazy-making and jealous best friend or the controlling parent.

Whereas your replacement will regard you with suspicion, the person you care about will at least listen to you. Much in the same way as dealing with a smear campaign you need to allow the victim to make their own decision. To that end you need to: –

  1. Explain the behaviours you have identified as problematic;
  2. Explain why you know them to be problematic (e.g. based on your own experience, material you have read)
  3. Explain you are stating this purely because you care and you respect that it is the person’s life so you are only going to mention it the once;
  4. Show to them independent material (in a succinct form) which shows how the various behaviour are narcissistic in nature and part of the seduction;
  5. Invite the person to flush our behaviour out by asking certain question (see the Exposed articles part one and two for more on this)

This approach may buy them time to question what is happening. This will give them the time to reflect and work it out for themselves. If they do not see it, repeating it will make no difference, the brainwashing has been effective already and you will end up alienating yourself.

By planting a seed of consideration, reflection and doubt, you may well cause this delay to the seduction to bring out a glimpse of our true selves from behind the mask, especially if the narcissist is a Lesser or Mid-Range. The challenge to their assumed flawless seduction, the hindrance to the otherwise predicted ensnarement and their lack of control compared to a Greater may well result in the mask slipping at an early juncture, the ignition of fury and evidence of us lashing out. That will be likely to be a clincher in allowing you to adopt a smug smile and declare,

“What did I tell you?”

You do have the chance to be a freedom fighter. The window of opportunity is slim and the odds are stacked against you, but you can succeed.

If you fail on the first attempt, do not labour the point. A second bite of the cherry will not prove fruitful and you will actually cripple your ability to assist the person you care about during devaluation. Instead, be ready to be there to catch this person when the golden period ends and the devaluation commences. You may have done enough to ensure that when the battle field alters when devaluation starts that you have more than a fighting chance to secure this person’s freedom then.

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11 thoughts on “Protecting Others From the Narcissist

  1. Asp Emp says:

    “The Villian plays the Victim so well”

  2. Emma286 says:

    Gullibility in others is the con man’s (and con woman’s of course) best friend.

  3. Bubbles 🍾 says:

    Dear Mr Tudor,
    Unfortunately, our youngest is firmly embedded with their narc
    Sadly, the reflection from the narc is rubbing off onto our youngest, to the point where my recent birthday was comprised from our youngest with sarcasm, attitude and a form of hostility. It was felt by the whole family.
    I did not allow my birthday to be ruined

    Our youngest had planned to attend our recent Father’s Day celebrations, however, manipulation played an enormous part and therefore was a ‘no show’…….came the next day to the front door with a gift (with narc in car) however, would not come in and see me, only Mr Bubbles

    Behind the scenes, machinations have taken place to try an aid their entitlements, along with the narc, sending text messages, out of the blue, to our eldest, his partner and myself, instructing us what they think we should be doing
    One of them being, is for us to seek counselling and that we are in fact, the manipulators and that if I was willing to be mature, take some time to think about this, I could then get back to them
    It also appears my private text messages are being shared with said narc, as our youngest’s conversations are now of a different impersonalised construct

    A smear campaign is now place, for us not being able to forgive and move forward and ‘ I ‘ am now clearly the baddie
    We were treated with ‘utter disrespect’ from the narc, not once but twice and it’s all been turned around as if it were our fault ( we were all in total disbelief at the time, when our youngest didn’t stick up for the family) but sided with the narc.

    I have not responded to said text messages and have blocked the narc from my phone and Facebook
    I phoned out youngest, only to be met with pure turnaround throw backs and the call being terminated on their end ( it was an extremely difficult conversation even for an empowered empath)
    When we are with our youngest, the narc is constantly messaging ( the narc has no real friends and everyone ‘we’ know dislikes the narc)

    I feel our youngest is slowly detaching from the family, ( being a codependent on the narc ) and using this ‘state of play’ as another excuse against us
    We have boundaries that will not be crossed by any means

    If that’s the case, we have no choice but to let go, however, we will always be here no matter what, for the fall

    Thank you so much Mr Tudor, this article has helped me immensely, the underlying extreme hurt is there, but I’m trying to stay emotionally numb
    I have to
    It’s another concrete confirmation of what narcs do, they destroy families

    As always
    Luv Bubbles xx 😘

    1. NarcAngel says:

      Dear Bubbles
      I am so sorry to read that things are worse instead of better. I can’t imagine how that must feel as parents to watch and have to implement measures to protect the rest of the family. It must take a tremendous amount of discipline and love to be able to maintain those boundaries while still leaving a place for them to return when the fog lifts or the bandaid is ripped. My thoughts are with you as we wait.

      1. Bubbles 🍾 says:

        Dearest NarcAngel,
        Your kind words are extremely comforting and very much appreciated NA
        We have always been a very bonded family unit, whereas the narc is from a very fractured family of having three other siblings from three different fathers
        The narc had a string of partners before our youngest came along and has slowly isolated our youngest from ‘friends’ since getting together
        We used to catch up for coffee once a week, however, the narc was jealous and that stopped long ago
        Our youngest knows the trauma I went thru with my mum and the weasel, that in itself, I thought would’ve signalled some serious red flags, but the shutters have come and our words are falling on deaf ears
        It has affected and disrupted the whole family whereby our other two are absolutely sick to death of it, however, we remain steadfast
        That slim window of opportunity disappeared in a blink and the narc knew it, we thought there was a glimmer of hope as we all tried desperately, but narcs have enormous manipulative power ….. sadly, we failed

        As predicted with narcs, important occasions have been targeted to destroy
        We have all our family events coming up between now and Xmas (two have been hit already) and it’s forecasting to be with a minus one
        If it weren’t for Mr Tudor’s blog and all you lovelies, I doubt I would’ve coped as well,

        A sincere thank you NarcAngel, your comment really means a lot as I know you are facing a similar situation with your sister, my deepest heartfelt thoughts are with you also 💕
        Luv Bubbles xx 😘

    2. Truthseeker6157 says:

      Oh Bubbles x

      I’m so sorry to read your news. You are such a strong lady. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to hold the line and let that relationship play out, which as we know, it will.
      My thoughts actually go to Mr Bubbles here. I know you are strong and know what to do. Is Mr Bubbles fully conversant in all things narc? There is understanding, then understanding isn’t there? Concentrate on what you can control so that loved ones understand. Then, as you say, when she is ready, your daughter gets all the love she needs from the ones who truly love her.
      My heart goes out to you Bubbles, it really does. I have a little Empath in the nest myself, I would find it incredibly hard to stick to the correct path as you are clearly doing.

      Keep strong 😘

      1. Bubbles 🍾 says:

        Dearest Truthseeker6157,
        Thank you for your kind heartfelt response TS
        Mr Bubbles has the capacity to ‘switch off ‘ a lot easier than me, he can also compartmentalise in his brain (sometimes I wish I were a man, this is what they do ) haha
        He takes in everything I read to him with Mr Tudor’s posts, analyises it, goes thru the thought process and then we discuss
        Mr Bubbles is ‘fairly’ conversant in narcissism, but from a man’s perspective…… so our emotional thinking is vastly different
        He does not want the narc back in our lives, ever
        It very much feels like a strategic game is being played right now
        Sadly, there will be no winners

        Apologies for any confusion, the youngest is our son and lives with the narc
        Thank you again TS, your comment means heaps
        Luv Bubbles xx 😘

    3. lisk says:

      Can you detach from youngest first?

      1. Bubbles 🍾 says:

        Dear lisk,
        Do you mean cut them off at the pass first, before they break family ties ?
        Luv Bubbles xx 😘

    4. Another Cat says:

      Bubbles wrote

      “sending text messages, out of the blue, to our eldest, his partner and myself, instructing us what they think we should be doing

      One of them being, is for us to seek counselling and that we are in fact, the manipulators and that if I was willing to be mature, take some time to think about this”

      Sounds awful, Bubbles. My thoughts are with you. ❤️

      1. Bubbles 🍾 says:

        Dear Another Cat,
        Thank you lovely, you’re most kind
        Luv Bubbles xx 😘

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