Meghan Markle : A Less Than Royal Narcissist : Part 18

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  1. NinaRose says:

    I Think Meghan Markle is in same League as Amber Heard, Patrizia Reggiani, Melania Trump, Hilaria Baldwin, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Lara Trump,

    1. NinaRose says:

      I Think Prince Harry is in same League as Armie Hammer, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Jared Kushner, James Murdoch, Lachlan Murdoch,

      1. HG Tudor says:

        He is not.

  2. MichelleJ says:

    Dear Mr Tudor,

    I have never had the misfortune to be intimately involved with a narcissist, so I approach this subject from a perspective of heightened curiosity. I have enjoyed a range wide of your videos and sought out this one, The Oprah Interview, specifically to find an answer to something that doesn’t sit right with me – Meghan’s suicidality.

    Meghan reports that she told Harry on the evening of their attendance at an event at The Royal Albert Hall that she could not be left alone because she feared what she might do. I initially dismissed her statement that she didn’t want to be alive any more as melodramatic. There is a big difference between wishful thinking and active planning, not to mention execution! I was irritated that a privileged “princess” would hijack mental health and suicide to add to the racist Teflon coating! Piers Morgan may have his own reasons for saying he didn’t believe she was suicidal – cue massive outrage – but he spoke for me too that day.

    Then I got to thinking, what would it feel like to be a narcissist trapped in a family that were probably going off her a bit, her royal status negated by the fact that even the Cambridge’s children outrank her, with staff who wouldn’t do what she wanted, an adoring but useless husband, facing a hostile press and a gagging order? I would imagine it felt like a pressure cooker ready to blow at any minute. So possibly mentally unwell – distressed, rather than depressed and capable of acting on impulse?

    Are we to believe that this woman who, from the outset of pregnancy (including Eugenie’s wedding as you pointed out), had her belly on display, touching it, cradling it, etc. was contemplating killing her unborn child? Because that’s what pregnant women contemplating suicide do. They don’t nip to the nearest maternity unit, have a quick C section and then jump off the roof. Indeed pregnant women don’t generally commit suicide – the rate is 1/20th of that for age matched non-pregnant females.

    I have bipolar disorder and have twice been salvaged from a suicide attempt and I can attest to an overwhelming feeling of guilt and shame that I would have rendered my children motherless. Indeed the guilt and shame were a perverse reason for the second attempt. Where was Meghan’s guilt and shame that she had contemplated snuffing out Archie’s life before it had begun in that pity play on Oprah? And then I remembered guilt and shame are not part of the narcissist’s make up.

    I have come to the conclusion that either she wasn’t suicidal and stealing that is even worse than making everything racial or she was distressed to the point of suicidality and Archie was just collateral damage. Is a narcissist really capable of that?

    I would be interested in your opinion.

  3. Violetta says:

    Whoa.

    An absolute tour de force. Analysis, of course, but also imagery (Duchess-on-Duchess action on Jerry Springer!), delivery (the snotty courtesy of the explanation for the “hard-of-understanding” alone was worth the high-speed usage), and of course your rhetorical skill: appeals to Logos (a point-by-point refutation of everything MM has claimed, often using her own previous claims), Pathos (a po-voiced–if there is such a thing–rendition of the Sussexes’ mythology, followed by scathing humor in the exposition), and of course the Ethos of being a self-described Narcissist who’s focused this lens on Donald Trump, Taylor Swift, Princes Charles and Andrew, Amber Heard, as well as the many possible narcissists you’ve never met among the current and former relationships, co-workers, friends, and family members of your readers (whom you’ve also never met). You’ve even discussed narcissism among members of Depeche Mode, a band that your regular readers know you admire greatly.

    This is a fucking masterpiece.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you Violetta.

  4. SW says:

    Excellent analysis as usual, HG

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you SW.

  5. susano says:

    I’m late to the party but have some questions:

    I’d read that the mother of a friend of Meghan’s said that her daughter and Meghan were obsessed with the royals and watched William and Kate’s wedding over and over and over. Also, on Meghan’s now deleted blog, she had written about wanting to be a princess when a little girl and that she carried that fantasy into adulthood. So, of course, Meghan is a liar (no shock there) when she claimed she had no interest in the royal family. Is it possible that Meghan, with her princess fantasies and the obsession with Kate’s wedding, imagined herself in Kate’s shoes (which would never happen) and was envious of her? I ask because though I did not watch the interview, in the clips I saw she displayed the obsession with Kate and a deep, seething rage toward her. The Times also reported that regarding whatever happened over the flower girl disagreement, Kate graciously personally delivered flowers to Meghan, to smooth things over, and Meghan slammed the door in Kate’s face and threw the flowers away. That seemed like narcissistic rage as a result of narcissistic injury, to me. This would have been prior to any press reports about Meghan making Kate cry (lol, how stupid it all is). IOW, I’m thinking she was hating on Kate way before any press about the incident. Add to all that, Kate was known to have been very close with Harry; her children really are princes and a princess; her most important role (and authentic one) really is mum (which brings admiration) and we know that will never be the case with Meghan whose offspring will never be more than extensions of herself to be used for fuel. Finally, with the Meghan-made-Kat- cry story enraging Meghan even further (exposure, I’m guessing), Kate got scheduled for total destruction/smear campaign. Kate, though, is untouchable and that really has to drive Meghan crazy.

    My other question, which you may have addressed (I haven’t watched all of the videos, yet) is about the Oprah-Meghan dynamic. I firmly believe Oprah is a narcissist so would you say they used each other here? In the past, Oprah has pulled the do-you-know-who-I-am card and accused hapless store clerks of being racist. A media billionaire going after retail clerks, ffs. I see Oprah as having a chip on her shoulder (over race) and using this as her own opportunity to (using Meghan) to strike at the heart of something Oprah is envious of. Oprah’s gesticulations and faux shock over Meghan’s allegations were as fake as Meghan’s performance. It was quite interesting to observe and I wondered about two narcs – consciously or subconsciously – collaborating on such a joint attempted take down, each for their own reasons.

    1. susano says:

      Gosh, I need to correct the above. Very sorry. It was Diana Meghan wanted to be, not Kate. From an article in the DM:

      Another old school-friend, Ninaki Priddy, told interviewers how they [she and Meghan] were photographed together outside Buckingham Palace during a 1996 visit to London: ‘Meghan was always fascinated by the Royal Family. She wants to be Princess Diana 2.0.’

      As Diana’s story was so well known, as well as Harry’s feelings about it, I have no doubt that Meghan constantly compared herself to Diana and being a victim of the press, knowing how Harry would react to that.

      1. gdale805 says:

        Even though you are right about MM’s obsession with Diana, you are not wrong imo about her attitude towards Kate for all the reasons you give. Also, at one point, perhaps before the crying incident, Meghan had been speaking harshly to some of Kate’s staff, and Kate intervened, saying something like, they are my staff; i will speak to then. And i bet M did NOT like that! as she always has to be 1st, in charge, etc. I also saw the Times story; i’m sure not everyone hearing MM;s version will even stop to realize that K. bringing flowers does not mean that she was in the wrong, but as you say, she likelyjust trying to smooth it all over, as it was right before the wedding.

  6. Michelle says:

    Right on as usual, HG. I couldn’t bring myself to watch the interview. I’ve been living the narc free life for a good year by now and it’s not something I need or want to remember in so much detail. It breaks my heart to see the Queen having to deal with all of this in her golden years, and especially as Prince Philip declines in health. I wonder, after this interview, if the rift between William and Harry can ever really be repaired.

    I am nervous that this one woman could singlehandedly destroy the monarchy and the Commonwealth. Where do you see this going, HG? Will the monarchy survive? Will Harry escape?

  7. WhoCares says:

    HG,

    A very enjoyable assessment of the Oprah interview!
    I appreciated the way you led up to your analysis. I have never really actively followed the Royals and only read news articles about them now as a consequence of learning of narcissism and being privy to your analysis of MM. (Although one cannot remain completely ignorant of the headlines in news online or at the grocery checkout line.)
    The grand list of Royals who have gone before and their trials with life in the media spotlight, really put Meghan’s tribulations into perspective. That does seem to be trend with narcissists though, whatever the troubles of other around them, their own supposed troubles, pain and drama ranks as that much worse, significant or traumatic. It is really hard to not role one’s eyes when observing this phenomenon.

    One thing I noticed, in the selection of peak moments or ‘big’ reveals during this interview is the maximum emotional impact and sensationalism surrounding the various claims or tidbits brought to light. Namely, the (potential) colour of Archie’s skin, that Kate Middleton actually made Meghan cry, the choice to reveal the thoughts of suicide, to name a few.
    The colour of Archie’s skin and the possible kernel of truth that someone did make such statements (as you suspect, and could have been made by another narcissist in the family). So with that there is maximum impact with regard to controversy (because of racism being such a hot topic and sensitive topic for some) and dividing members of the royal family.

    In claiming that Kate Middleton made her cry – again the controversy and possible outrage of any truthseekers in the Royal family. Kate is probably very well liked and respected demonstrating her character to staff and the RF when she first joined. Also, this would not sit well with onlookers who adore Kate because she is classy etc. – it just has the result of stirring a lot of drama etc…again with maximum emotional reaction (whether good, bad, outrage or confusion.)

    And, of course, claims of suicidal thoughts is always a good one for emphasizing the significance and depth of one’s suffering, resulting in a huge pity play… especially since apparently she had no access, *zero* access to help (really?) and was told to basically suck it up. This is just over the top with the pity play – she would have been better off just saying she felt suicidal at times, but adding that layer of ‘I sought help but was told no’ drove it into the realm of being sensational and difficult to believe.

    Oprah didn’t seem particularly moved by her pity plays etc. (if you watch her eyes and body language) and she even sought after details or further evidence of her claims. And she did not do it in a sensationalized manner, although that could be as a result of her professionalism.. I haven’t really watched Oprah do her thing much since her early talk show days in the 80’s, so I found this interesting. She reacted as I would expect her to when Meghan shared that there were concerns over Archie’s potential skin colour and the implications, but other than that I think she was just a really professional sounding board for Meghan to tell her ‘perspective’ of things. (Although, I haven’t listened to Oprah’s follow up comments on the interview.)

    HG, I have question based on the above observation of Meghan’s choice of interview reveals, but I will follow up with separate from this post.

    1. WhoCares says:

      HG,

      I have noticed the trend, in a number of stories (my own and others) and dealings with my narcississt, of choosing a particular moment and/or topic with – what appears to be – precision (and minimal effort) that results in maximum emotional impact or potential for wide-spread reaction. I attribute this to the efficiency of the Narcissist to extract fuel with, where possible, minimal effort – but it kind of conflicts with your revelation that less adept narcissists are always asserting control “in the now.” I can often clearly see what you’re saying because of the typical contradictions and hypocrisy displayed by Lessers and Mid-rangers however, there also appears to be this widespread trend of narcissists going for this maximal emotional reaction with one swift choice or a number of choices…so because you remind us that it is always about control in the now, I know this is not calculated or planned – is it just the narcissism choosing instinctively for the narcissist?

  8. Bubbles 🍾 says:

    Dear Mr Tudor,
    This was so embarrassing to watch to say the least
    I believe this to be a very “private matter” and should’ve been dealt with accordingly . . .in private !!
    Let’s not forget, William, Kate and Harry are all patrons of mental health organisations, one being “Heads Together” from 2016 I understand . . . Harry n Meghan wed 2018 ! Hmmmmm !
    I have seen one interview here with an Aussie body language expert (she didn’t believe Meghan and thought she was very contrived), the rest are either Royal commentators, Andrew Morton and primarily tv presenters . . . not one behavioural expert, thus far (except her sister)
    Your report is extremely detailed, packed with information, unbiased and to have your commentary on events being rolled out right in front of us is a huge “hands on” learning experience

    I noted when I was watching Breaking Bad, Walter White thought instinctively on his feet in the spur of the moment and was defiantly committed to the end. I’m sure Meghan won’t dissappoint in doing the same
    Thank you for your wonderful efforts and hard work into helping us understand the intricate dynamics on narcissism to this oscar winning performance we are being subjected to
    With heartfelt appreciation
    Luv Bubbles xx 😘

  9. Sweetest Perfection says:

    Dear HG, you know I couldn’t care less about the royal family. However, I have shared your analyses with friends that care about the Markle debacle because, even without having listened to them, I know they are extremely accurate. And, because this is the most popular thread at the moment, I will just drop this little article here written by a DM devotee. I found it entertaining and of course it made me think of you: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/10/how-depeche-mode-almost-became-my-own-personal-jesus

    1. Kiki says:

      Sweetest Perfection

      How are you keeping?
      I remember you helped me a lot here in your comments a couple of years ago .
      I’m back again after seriously falling off my No Contact horse.
      I’m up again though , how have you been it’s feels a long time since I saw a post by you .

      Kiki

      1. Sweetest Perfection says:

        Hi Kiki! Thanks for asking! Aww I am glad my comments helped you. I have been away from the blog lately for purely practical reasons, I have a huge conference coming up and I am not done with my presentation, so I’m using the “spring break” to push it forward. On bigger news, my work narc resigned to his position as Head of the department in my favor, which I am sure was “influenced” by a scolding of his entitlement and selfish attitude from the dean, so I’m ecstatic about that yay!!Narc 0, SP 1!
        Don’t feel bad for breaking NC, the important thing is that you go back to implementing it. I left my narc back in 2018 and never looked back. I don’t even remember what I used to like about him anymore. However, after blocking him everywhere and changing my phone number, a friend of mine told me he was asking about the new number and I noticed he went back to WhatsApp to see if he got any notification about my new phone -he was blocked so he couldn’t see anything-. Still, I decided to go ahead and delete his number for good. Hasta la vista, idiot! You can do it too, I am totally sure!! Since you say you recently got back to NC, now is the perfect time to make a list of the reasons why you decided to go back to it. It will help you remember all the negativity you feel when you are with the narc and it will also help burst your inflated and idealizing memories of good times with that asshole.

        1. Kiki says:

          Awww thank you SP you are very strong .
          Your progress is amazing and a testament to HGs work.

          You sound very happy 😊 and I sincerely hope you are in a good place in your life now.
          I fell for a hoover after being discarded and free , I got complacent, of course I was discarded again after another two year ride on Narc train .
          This time I’m done , ET flairs up a bit but I am coping .

          Kiki

          1. Sweetest Perfection says:

            ET is manageable, Kiki. I remember posting here some low moments when I was tempted to drive by his workplace and instead took myself in the opposite direction and went shopping for clothes to distract my ET. You just need to be aware. Every single piece of advice HG gives us is exactly what you have to do to get rid of the narc and lower your ET. The problem is not the method. The method is perfectly efficient. The problem is whether the addict (us) wants to really give up the addiction. If you want it, you will. ❤️

    2. A Victor says:

      Nice to see you SP!

      1. Sweetest Perfection says:

        Thanks AV! Same here!

      2. Sweetest Perfection says:

        AV, why is your avatar a narcissus!? Va de retro Satana!

        1. A Victor says:

          Dang, I should’ve gone with the leprechaun, haha! I’m looking forward to April, lol.

          1. Sweetest Perfection says:

            There are thousands of flowers, AV! Haha, coincidentally, I noticed a bunch of yellow narcissuses blooming in my front yard. I looked around in panic ….

          2. A Victor says:

            Hahaha, just dig em up! Daffodils, aka narcissus (or vice versa?), are the flowers of the month of March. That’s why they’re currently haunting you. 😂

  10. NarcAngel says:

    Interesting to follow Piers Morgan’s behaviour from the point of Meghan’s introduction to the present. A narc’s take on another narc (especially when unaware) is both entertaining and educational.

    A Very Broadcasting Narcissist?

  11. Supernova DE says:

    I love the queens response to the interview. Short, concise, makes it clear these are private family matters. Basically a “let me shut this shit show down right now” type of comment. Not much to say back IMO but I’m sure Ms. Markle will think of some way to spin it into a pity play…

  12. Duchessbea says:

    Hi HG, from Piers Morgan’s response and attitude on GMB, he is also a narcissist. HG, it would be interesting to hear your take on video about Piers Morgan. Thank you HG.

    1. Violetta says:

      Duchessbea:

      HG has confirmed in the past that Piers is indeed a narcissist.

      I’m not sure what level etc. he is, but he’s probably higher-functioning than Markle, and I suspect she made a grave error in making so implacable an enemy: seeking to meet him in an effort to bolster her own fame, buttering him up, and then abruptly dumping him. She could not have offended him more deeply if she had shot his mother. He’ll forgive her for getting him off GMB before he forgives her that initial wound to his narcissism.

  13. Judit says:

    Great analysis, thank you. I have a question: is the discard of Harry inevitable (sooner or later)? I have doubts how long he’ll be able to provide constant supply if, let’s say, the titles go, they start to fade into oblivion, her prince status as a novelty wears off, and Ms Markle cannot maintain the lavish lifestyle and the global platform she has now through him.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Disengagement will occur should one of the five disengagement triggers occur.

  14. Contagious says:

    I fully expected to disagree. I thought a mother’s love would overcome and did not understand how suicide could be considered when pregnant. I imagine the mental illness overwhelms those thoughts. So I watched and allowed my instinct or often accurate contagion to explore and I felt no real emotion between Oprah and Meghan. None. Like watching a bad play of actors it was not there. If the facts alleged are true. It is unjust. But these two did not demonstrate emotionally persuasive. I could be wrong. Hope I am. There was and is a logical solution. Work with these two to a positive end for the sake of anything the child. There are two innocent beings that deserve support, love, and security. Did anyone ask… what about them? Did Oprah? And HG… in your analysis what will befall those innocents in all this? Is this how genetics and environment play? And if so empath what about them?

    1. Kiki says:

      I think the suicide card was really disturbing.
      I know the experience of feeling depressed and in no way could I ever see any outward sign of mental emotional distress displayed by her.If it is so bad to go to suicidal thoughts the outward signs are always there.

      Mental illness is a very serious matter and I it really alarmed me that she could pull out the suicide card with such ease as if talking about a headache.
      She was positively blooming in photos on the day she claimed she was suicidal.
      A truly suicidal person doesn’t just get over it and sparkle into the camera.
      It stays with you , body language , the eyes change , becoming withdrawn or shifty or sort of spaced out with a nervous frightened look.
      Massive weight loss , pallor , general lack of care for grooming etc are common also.
      Lack of interest in things around you , places people, material goods .
      I don’t think she was even mildly depressed never mind suicidal.

      Kiki

    2. Asp Emp says:

      Contagious, when I read your words “I thought a mother’s love would overcome and did not understand how suicide could be considered when pregnant” – my mother took an overdose when she as 6 months pregnant with me. I found out through obtaining my hospital records in my early 30s. A narcissist mother has no emotional empathy and would put themselves first before their own children – always. I know that for a fact. My take on it, is, even an unborn child is not “real” in the eyes of a narcissist mother.

  15. KateW says:

    I’ve missed a few editions in 2020 HG! Bravo on editions 15-18. I was amazed at all the titles given up that you listed off. And I just can’t believe people can’t see-through that woman. Due in large part to your education and straight forward articles and hard truths- she immediately struck me as a narcissist the second I saw her. I can’t believe it has gone as far as it’s gone. It will be interesting to see where it ends up in a couple years. I simply cannot believe what Harry has turned away from. Wow and what is going to happen when … things change with the Crown -? Wow.

  16. December Infinity says:

    While I didn’t have the opportunity to watch the initial broadcast of the Oprah Winfrey interview with Meghan and Harry, I can watch a replay later (but do I really want to?!? haha). What I enjoyed far more was HG’s analysis of certain major points, none of which I am surprised about. I appreciate the time it took to evaluate such an interview as this, including the initial introduction and background for those ‘hard of understanding’ and the numerous examples of those in the Royal Family who have been targeted very heavily by the media. Meghan thought she was the one who suffered the worst out of anyone and in terms of everything else, the world must evidently rotate around her.

    1. MaxWeber says:

      Advocating for yourself and your family after your father was selling the worst of the stories to their papers and then telling this guy he was doing everything they could and were getting rid of security detail is not being a narcissist. Being upset that the person you fell in love wasn’t able to see how many different ways he was being sold out and exploited and speaking up it just gets worse. There are huge rumors that his dad put a hit out on his mom and if you didn’t notice a little part where he was just SOBBING at his grief in losing his father and/or realizing this abuser absolutely is as bad as he had heard and maybe he relived one of the worst days of his life in thinking it. It was horrible.

      No one should have to live like that and they are not public property. She didn’t have aims on him, he wanted to leave.

      And every 3 years there’s a new “villain” plotting to ruin everything!! Maybe they’ll find a new one this time – ooh or maybe it’ll be Pippa again. The reason this family is targeted by this shit is that they do it to each other for sport. Not wanting to be around that isn’t being a narcissist.

      And this was not for the public, this was for Charles, Camilla and his shitty brother. Kate’s too shattered, though I’m sure she’d tell a person that William is not that perfect or whatever in the way emotionally shattered people defend their abuser’s behavior but only far away.

      1. A Victor says:

        MaxWeber,
        Interesting comment from a perspective I don’t get to have often. Curious what makes you say Kate is shattered? I heard William had an affair with a friend of hers a while back, and that all royals cheat and it’s to be expected. But, the stories come and go and are never really confirmed or not, here in the US, in my life anyway. Thanks for the comment.

  17. Jess Greenwood says:

    Harry left his country during this Covid crisis and he was in the military no less, his family leaders of it. He should be there protecting it! He must be very heavy in emotional thinking to do this.

  18. lickemtomorrow says:

    Interestingly, Markle’s sister, Samantha, has now weighed in on the debacle and claims Meghan is a narcissist. She has reportedly said “my estranged sister suffers from narcissistic personality disorder’ while also claiming Markle’s hubby, Harry, is the victim of Stockholm Syndrome. Samantha says “I definitely see a narcissistic personality disorder. I’m not diagnosing her. She needs to see a counselor.” She later goes on to suggest maybe Meghan could see Oprah’s friend, Dr. Phil, for follow up. Uh oh. She feels sorry for Harry, pulled away from family, friends and the life he knew, and says he reminds her of one of those “kidnap victims who eventually believes that their life was so horrible and they’re in love with their captor.” She refutes Meghan’s claim about how long they have been estranged and most interestingly states that she idolized Diana, Harry’s mother. She states “Meghan went to great lengths to study Diana, to mimic her clothing, to mimic her body language, and to wear Diana’s perfume on their first date! Don’t tell me my sister didn’t know who Harry was!” Samantha also brings up their father, saying how hurt he is, and then gives a nod to Markle’s acting abilities – “And for her to say ‘I lost my Dad’, I felt like, oh, my God, and the Oscar goes to ‘I lost my Dad!'” Quite a bit in this to give pause for thought around Markle’s claims.

    The Queen has come out with her statement to put an end to Markle’s triangulations and manipulations in the context of the interview. Where Markle has sought to divide and conquer, it seems the Queen is wise to her moves and won’t allow that to happen.

    1. MaxWeber says:

      The Queen said that all three of them were loved and supported and members of the family, the absolutely horrifying stories were disturbing and that members of the palace (that’s not her) had different versions of what happened on the stuff that was not given context.

      Meghan did not divide an conquer. Harry wanted out, the privacy and paparazzi laws in California that were enacted by domestic violence advocates but George Clooney put his face on it to help them get traction and secure higher enforcement laws and in ways that it was to ensure that in the wake of Diana’s death something could be done about things that almost happened here and to make her sons feel safer in a space if they needed to be.

      The Queen beagle prints now instead of corgi. That’s a hell of a statement to be wearing in that way she leaves little signals in her outfits. Meghan’s rescue beagle from Kentucky rode with her during wedding things too.

      1. lickemtomorrow says:

        Hi Max, I think your comment is in support of Meghan, but I’m not 100% sure. I found it a little confusing. The Queen did indeed say they were much loved members of the Royal family and that they were saddened by how challenging the couple had found the last few years. She is acknowledging their sense of pain and grievance which is the empathic thing to do. Note, this does not mean she is agreeing with everything that has been said. The interview itself was based on the Sussex’s own perception of their experiences, and only their side of the story was told. Hence the Queen qualifying in her statement that “some recollections may vary”. Harry and Meghan’s perspectives are not the only ones to be taken into consideration. And I’m glad you mentioned the word “context” as that was definitely lacking in some respects and it’s important to have context to fully understand what is going on. At the same time the Queen was sympathetic to them overall.

        And I just need to clarify – I didn’t say Meghan did “divide and conquer”, I said she tried to do that. She used multiple triangulations during the interview which are generally deployed in order to divide and conquer. It is an age old strategy and one that is used very well by narcissists (bringing us back to the point in hand). When we are triangulated by a narcissist they are trying often to create a division between us and other people, or create an insecurity in us by favouring another person, item, etc. It is to get us off balance and basically create instability. I have no qualms in saying that is exactly what she was attempting to do and has managed to do in many respects by dividing people into different camps in the wake of the interview. The Queen has put a lid on it with her response and she was right to do that.

        If Harry and Meghan had issues with the family they should have been discussed with the family. Which is why the Queen has returned the whole matter to a private conversation within the family. Why are they airing their personal issues via the media? The question has to be asked. Although a response would not normally be given, it has been in the circumstances given the fact that personal business has been made public and no doubt there is an attempt to further try and salvage what may be left of any family relationships.

        Harry wanted out because Meghan convinced him he was “trapped” and needed to get out. Prior to meeting her he never felt trapped and got along well with very many people, including his own family. Remember if we take this all back to narcissism that is the resultant outcome. A narcissist will isolate the empath from the family and friends as they try to garner more and more control over their lives.

        And good for George Clooney. I respect his attempts to garner more privacy for individuals who have high profiles and suffer from constant press intrusion. And it is intrusive. At the same time, why give an interview to Oprah to be aired across the world if you want your privacy? There was no need for Meghan or Harry to put their heads above the parapet. They’ve managed to secure a good life for themselves over there with the promise of lots of money to boot. Can’t complain. So, what are they complaining about? How much have they to look forward to with one healthy son and another child on the way? Surely that is something to celebrate. Especially, as I hear a lot of people commenting on how the world is still coming to terms with the effects of a pandemic and in that regard they are finding it difficult to understand why they should be sympathizing with Harry and Meghan in the circumstances.

        I could say so much more, but I won’t, except I’m a little confused about the Beagles and the Corgis. Maybe you could clear that one up for me. And that was a lovely note to end on about the Beagle who was a rescue dog from Kentucky riding with her during her wedding. Dogs can definitely be a big part of the family, something I’m sure the Queen and Meghan would agree on.

        Also, I think you should take a look at HG’s follow up video on the Queen’s statement. That might help to clarify some things, too.

    2. NarcAngel says:

      Her sister’s assertions reminds me of HG’s article:

      Why can’t they see it too? The narcissist’s facade at work (search bar).

      1. lickemtomorrow says:

        I’m going to take a look at it again, NA, and I think I went through some of the frustration around this recently on another thread – “Nobody is Listening”. That may be Harry’s issue in the long run as his wife seems very adept at smearing people for the sake of the facade. Sad to say, but as long as she is able to play the victim and people accept her pity plays then the facade will remain intact.

    3. Another Cat says:

      Regarding Markle’s sister and father, they both strike me as very, well, Lesser Narcissist-like. When looking around photos and quotes from them both. My take is all three are narcs.

      Thank you for sharing the sister’s story, LET, and yes, empathic Harry seems to have a bit of Stockholm syndrome, it seems. I wouldn’t phrase it as Meg lost her dad, I’d call him Stalker Dad, actually. “I will continue to speak to media until Meghan speaks to me again!”. Not respecting any boundaries.

      1. Witch says:

        @another cat
        The sister is definitely a narcissist, who would go so hard to embarrass their family on TV if not a narcissist? She’s obsessed

      2. lickemtomorrow says:

        AC, thanks for your response. I haven’t paid much attention to Meghan’s family and reports about them for the most part, accepting none of them seemed to get along which is what happens sometimes in families. So, not giving a hat tip to anyone involved, but the sister has definitely hit the nail on the head in her assessment and she is seeing what a lot of the rest of the world is seeing. It’s becoming clearer by the day. And from my perspective, and that of many others, Harry has full blown Stockholm Syndrome. In terms of the narcissistic dynamic, Markle has fully subsumed him. He has become an extension of her, is now a willing appliance, and on top of it all is prepared to trash his own family as a consequence. By his own words, he never thought he was “trapped” until he met her. Now he is truly trapped, and as we all know escaping the narcissist is one of the hardest things we will ever have to do.

  19. Asp Emp says:

    HG, oh, HG, I am so very excited….. I shared your analysis of Megsie and Oprah – the Interview on my Facebook. And, OMG, I am so VERY delighted that someone who is a die-hard Royal Family supporter – SHARED your video….. the door has now been unlocked, the door handle is being turned….. this is a breakthrough. Yas! I am a happy bunny…… (inner me skipping with joy).

  20. Susan says:

    “Narcissism in action” this is the perfect description of why I love this series so much. It’s one thing to learn it, but to see it in action (when you’re on the outside looking in) is very very fascinating!!
    Excellent commentary HG!! I was very excited to hear it and I expected nothing less from you!
    You hit the nail on the head when you predicted in the beginning of their marriage, that Meghan would isolate Harry by leaving the UK. I remember thinking along those lines thinking that she would move back to the US and trying to figure out how she would be able to pull that off. When I watch this interview on Sunday night I thought to myself she replayed everything that Diana went through in order to conjure up empathy and panic in Harry’s mind, which would make it very easy for her to convince him to leave. Just like you pointed out in this video.
    Do you think I’m right in thinking that she had planned all this out purposefully, and had a plan in place or is this another instance where she’s really not aware of what she’s doing? I think I’m a little confused as to how she’s unaware of what she’s doing (her manipulations)as you have pointed out in this video.
    If you would help me understand, I would appreciate it.
    Thank you for sharing your expertise with all of us!

  21. A Victor says:

    Wow, that was really good! Very informative on narcissism. I have heard several reporters and people in the US who see how manipulative she is, that was a bit surprising. They also give him credit and see his sincerity. I have found it interesting that people can see this, I don’t believe I would have prior to arriving here. They’re probably all normals, ha. Thank you HG, very good!

    1. Alexissmith2016 says:

      I wouldn’t have seen it either AV and I would have had sympathy for her – unbelievable!! Everyone seems to be wanting to talk about MM at present and I struggle to have a conversation about her with someone who empathises with her. Given they don’t understand about narcissism and these people do not meet my criteria of being worthy of educating I just keep my mouth firmly closed and wish they’d simply stop talking.

      Interesting conversation with a mid who believes he’s a greater, he was smugly saying how you can see the evil glint in her eyes when she thinks she’s pulling one over on others etc etc and he had the same glint like he felt he was pulling one over on me by saying all this stuff knowing he’s exactly the same as her.

      1. A Victor says:

        Your conversation with the mid who thinks he’s a greater sounds very interesting! Why do you think he believes this? I’m not doubting you at all, I really don’t understand because mids don’t know they are at all yet they think they’re greaters. I find that sort of fascinating. Does it come from their view of themselves that they put out?

        I have the experience of keeping my mouth shut very often, not just about narcissism but many things. I don’t like debate and I know what I believe so why bother. Thank you for understanding my former naivete re MM and her narcissism, it makes me feel like I’ve missed a lot in life somehow!

        1. Violetta says:

          We’ve had occasional squawk-n-splat seagulls do fly-bys here, trying to out-narc HG. Narchivist K could probably direct you to some threads where you’d see examples of such attempts.

  22. Maddox Mache says:

    Mr. Tudor,
    When are you going to change that profile photo. I understand maybe you do not wish to post your face, and nice legs and all, but it’s been there for a couple of years now hasn’t it? Just a thought.
    I am glad to see things are going so well with the site. I have referred many your way. I was wondering while listening to your video, how you know what is motivating an empath, if your not able to experience empathy. I know that my narcassist often assumes I have motives that have not even crossed my mind. Most of the time he thinks I do things to upset him on purpose. Which, I don’t think ahead like that. He is strategic in his words and actions. I have learned he rarely does anything on accident or says anything he did not know what the impact would be. My motives often come from my misguided emotions. He has admitted he does not feel emotions like everyone else. He feels them but they are very muted. Which you had already explained on your site, so I understood this but it helped to have it verified by him. I had continued to be in denial about what he was until that point. I still go into denial because frankly I know what to expect from him. Leaving him means change and possibilities of pain I do not expect. Laziness maybe. I recently learned that I have naraccistic traits which I noted you spoke of with regards to Prince Henry. I do not get validation in my private life, and i have found that I tend to seek validation from outside sources to define myself as a good person or valuable person. I do not fully know how to break that cycle yet, but I am at least now aware of it. What are your thoughts? How would one process this issue and move into a healthier way of viewing oneself?

  23. lickemtomorrow says:

    HG, thank you for this very measured response to the Oprah interview. In many ways it was designed to be very emotive and this brings us back to the basics surrounding narcissism.

    Some of my thoughts on the interview around how it might be perceived:

    First off, I’ve noted multiple commentators remarking on narcissism in relation to Meghan Markle and a sense of entitlement on the parts of both Harry and Meghan. It seems to have become obvious to a wide range of people that there is something else underlying what is going on here.

    Early on in the interview she appears to have identified her target audience in terms of who she desired to gain sympathy from and that was the American people. She used the words “as Americans” to help identify with Oprah on at least one occasion, so I think this is the major audience she was appealing to and desiring acceptance and understanding from.

    She claimed to be naive about the Royal family, instituting the use of her differing background to explain her naivety. As you suggested there was a potential and definite culture clash for her to navigate when it came to becoming part of the Royal family. At least one prior friend claims to have seen a book about Princess Diana on Meghan Markle’s bookshelf before she met Harry, and the friend also mentioned Markle’s fascination or interest in Princesses, which she also alluded to in her interview when she spoke of The Little Mermaid.

    By all accounts she was welcomed into the Royal family, and by the British people and press originally, with no suggestion racism ever played a part in her initial foray into British life. There seems to have come a turning point not long after her marriage to Harry and centering on their tour of Australia. It was hinted at that her star may have shone too brightly and that jealousy (not actually said) played a part in the souring of grapes at this time. I find that hard to believe, but from her perspective it may be true. This is also around the time where some allegations of bullying first surface. I find it interesting that a timeline can be drawn around this. And I’m wondering if the requirements of her Royal duties posed an imminent threat to her control in the circumstances. I also wonder if her alleged mental health crisis had anything to do with the possible appearance of the creature as she felt her facade crumbling. This could explain the very real sense of threat she experienced and Harry’s empathic response in the circumstances.

    Harry felt trapped, but he didn’t know he was trapped until he met her. When Oprah pressed about this question of feeling trapped, Harry admitted to never feeling trapped before he met Ms Markle. That was a highlight for me, indicating that she was the real influence in all that has happened since with regard to Harry.

    The comment on their first child’s possible appearance, the lack of a Royal title and concerns over a lack of protection all seem to tie together giving the appearance from her commentary that race was at the bottom of these issues. You have touched on the first point, HG, and there was a very swift attempt after the interview to ensure this did not reflect negatively on the Queen or Prince Phillip in any way. Too late. The whole family had been thrown under the bus at that stage. What an underhand, middle range, way of handling things. You’ve also explained Royal protocol and that the lack of a Royal title was in line with that. The issue of protection seemed to loom large for both Harry and Meghan. This will have been perceived as a bridge too far for many watching – not protecting a child, even if you have issues with the mother and father. But it relates once again to choices the Sussexes have made and how that fits in with Royal protocol. Interestingly, initially Meghan’s concern seems to rest solely with Archie, then after Harry joins the conversation it suddenly switches to being a concern for him alone and she states she is not worried about “myself and my son.” Not our son. My son. And according to Meghan, Harry is actually the one who needs protection. So the narrative changed when Harry arrived.

    They also had to rush to re-edit prior to the interview being aired due to developments in the meantime and claimed they already knew prior to arranging the interview they would be stripped of their Royal patronages. Maybe. There was no mention, in the case of re-editing, of bullying allegations now being brought against Markle and apparently more people are willing to step up to the plate to back these claims. There is also word coming out that she slammed a door in Kate’s face, a possible response to Meghan’s allegation it was Kate who made her cry. No response from the Palace yet, and apparently the Queen was not willing to sign off on a statement post interview. I can’t even imagine what the Royals are thinking at this stage.

    I still have an issue with the way the couple refer to eachother as “my wife” and “my husband” instead of referring to one another as Meghan and Harry! What is that about??

  24. Asp Emp says:

    I had waited, patiently yet with anticipation for your analysis on the much talked, discussed and gossiped about ‘Interview’ by Oprah.

    What a great introduction to this video and your explanation about why you are doing the ‘A Very Series’.

    (06:26) “she doesn’t realize this is that this press scrutiny threatened her control” and (07:16) “and it allows the isolation of Prince Harry”. Absolute classic examples of a narcissist’s ‘manipulations’.

    Laughing……. “Renter Kent”…….. laughing…….. “Randy Andy”…….. crying with laughter…….

    Loving this video……. HG’s sharing factual information about other members of the Royal Family (including the ex-Royals) and seeing it all together within a few minutes of this video alone, gives indication that there are more ‘scandals and dramas’ compared to any time served fictional soap opera on tv!!

    Prince Harry’s seriously unbalanced ‘logical thinking’ due to his traumas & years of narcissistic ‘abuse’ is not permitting Harry to have a mind of his own. Maybe he will never be given the opportunity to be ‘himself’ as an individual and it is at this point that I feel sadness for him because he could have done so much good in the world, like his mother did towards the end of her life.

    Kate, Duchess of Cambridge – sad that she is being painted ‘black’ by Meghan. In relation to the episode of who made who cry over the bridemaid’s dress, I knew it was Meghan’s narcissism talking.

    “Duchess on Duchess smackdown”, only HG would would describe it that way…… brilliant.

    Laughing…… HG wants to know the reasoning behind the whole world being invited to have a look at their chicken coop…….. hilarious……. yes, since you mention it, HG, I now am interested to know too…… laughing….. (they’ll be employing an army of foxes to stand guard and ensure the security and safety of the chickens….. laughing).

    Well, HG, thank you so very much for giving your ‘take’ on the not-so-sweet and innocent Miss Markle’s interview with Oprah. I really enjoyed this and laughed at various points of your usual and charming sarcasm. AMAZING. Brilliant. People are now really taking an interest and at the same time, learning about narcissism. So very clever of you to choose Meghan.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you, I’m pleased you enjoyed it.

      1. Asp Emp says:

        My pleasure, HG 🙂

  25. NarcAngel says:

    HG
    Loved the intro to set the “hard of understanding” straight. Most fair in those concerns where there may be some legitimacy (for instance, someone may well have made a comment about the baby’s colour) while providing an explanation as to why that might be – (another narcissist). I enjoyed how you neatly dissected the most relevant assertions, inconsistencies, and behaviours consistent with our learning here. Well done.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you NA. I assess the evidence, it’s not an all out attack on MM, as you know.

  26. Dolores Haze says:

    Bravo, HG.

    I was waiting for you to address the comment made by Harry regarding how “he was trapped but didn’t know he was trapped” until, of course, the narcissist made him believe so – but it was probably too obvious of a manifestation of an empath being brainwashed and manipulated.

    You seem to really like Kate, don’t you?

    What about Her Majesty’s statement about family affairs being dealt with in private, will you elaborate on that?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I am pleased you enjoyed the video. Part 19 addresses the statement from Queen Elizabeth. I have no particular affinity for Kate, she has however assimilated well into a family where it is notoriously difficult for any outsider to do so.

      1. Witch says:

        I’m amazed at how people can do it
        The idea of just having to dress like them makes me want to die

        1. Truthseeker6157 says:

          Witch,

          Speaking of how people dress.

          One should point out to the Duchess that one is not required to wear Hunter Wellingtons and a wax jacket when one visits the chicken coop.

        2. Violetta says:

          It’s a role. You take the part, you wear the costume, you say the lines as written, and you don’t try to.upstage the lead if you agreed to play a supporting character.

          MM’s conduct wouldn’t be tolerated in a church basement production of children’s theatre, let alone an Equity B’way production. If they didn’t fire her outright, the techies would find all kinds of ways to get revenge.

          1. WhoCares says:

            Oh my god (as being one such techie in the past and having worked in children’s theatre), this so cracked me up Violetta!

            “MM’s conduct wouldn’t be tolerated in a church basement production of children’s theatre, let alone an Equity B’way production. If they didn’t fire her outright, the techies would find all kinds of ways to get revenge.”

          2. Violetta says:

            WhoCares:

            A replacement cast member for City of Angels did something to offend Wardrobe. That silver lame gown that looked so stunning on the previous actress had a quarter inch nipped here, another quarter-inch tucked there–she looked like a foil-wrapped sausage.

            Marla Maples (then dating Donald Trump) replaced Cady Huffman in Rogers at the Follies. There were rumors that at least one of her costumes had–embroidered into the crotch with same color floss so the audience couldn’t seen it, and unseen by her if a dresser was helping her step into it in the wings–the words “The Donald was here,” so it was displayed on every cartwheel or high kick. Cast and crew knew it was there, even if neither she nor the audience did.

            One entertainment show broadcast footage of Huffman slinky-jazz walking downstage, doing perfect cartwheels with straight legs and pointed toes, followed by clips of Maples taking 4 characterless steps downstage to the same music and doing a piked-over cartwheel without maintaining form in her legs.

            In short, Maples managed to get on the wrong side of the Choreographer and Dance Captain as well as Wardrobe. Footage and rumors like those don’t get out by accident.

        3. Witch says:

          @violetta
          I understand it’s a role with expectations
          But I can’t wear high heels every time I leave the house (which to me is the equivalent of wearing a corset that crushes your organs) so if they can’t make an exception for me to wear puma trainers or doc martens with the dresses, I don’t want it. Mental pain is one thing but feet pain and mental pain I cannot do
          I’m wearing trainers with my wedding dress

          1. WhoCares says:

            Haha – “Mental pain is one thing but feet pain and mental pain I cannot do”

            I am so with you on this Witch.

          2. Violetta says:

            What, no Doc Martens?

            Anyhow, HMTQ wears low heels. It’s Meghan who sashays around in stilettos, squatting and popping up without visible effort (or pressure on pregnancy bumps of varying sizes).

          3. Witch says:

            @whocares
            This why I can’t be stripper.
            Sometimes I think hhuumm the money and then I’m like but the shoes!
            Nah I’ll pass.. don’t think any strip clubs are accepting converse

  27. Anna says:

    Spot on. Thank you for doing these.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You’re welcome

  28. Blondie says:

    HG after watching Piers morgan walk of on good morning Britain…Im betting he is a narcissist too ?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are correct. ITV will regret losing him.

      1. Asp Emp says:

        Yes, they will. He was good entertainment & people watched interviewing other celebrities – giving us an opportunity to view them in the ‘hot seat’. Alas, ITV’s loss.

      2. Kiki says:

        Way to go HG , had a great time listening to the Meghan interview analysis .Even my mom listened.Wow sometimes I think though is she a greater she is conceited and manipulative.

        Kiki❤️

    2. Delphine says:

      Walking off means he’s a narcissist?

      1. HG Tudor says:

        No.

  29. Witch says:

    I can imagine it would be Charles and his demon Camila that would make those remarks about what the child might look like (did anyone actually think the child was going to look black? Chances were very slim to no point even contemplating it and that’s why they allowed them to marry in the first place) but I mean.. it’s not like the royal family is exactly diverse. It’s not surprising. Prince Harry did refer to his fellow Asian solider as a “paki” so I’m sure he got it from somewhere.
    Interracial couples are a universal controversy; there are people all over the world who would be disowned for marrying outside their ethnic community. I could be wrong, but I don’t think there are many royal families who would allow such a marriage to take place and that includes the brown ones.

    You’re right that Harry is dim and he also has no loyalty outside of the skirt. My parents are narcs, but that is my fight, would never allow someone else to publicly tell my story. They can speak about their own family but not mine.

    Thanks for the thorough research. There would have been a time that I would have been persuaded by my emotional thinking to believe she must be the innocent party. So I’m glad she was covered.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You’re welcome and you’re constructive attitude is appreciated

    2. Asp Emp says:

      Witch, “demon Camilla” – hilarious.

    3. Violetta says:

      Actually, Lady Davina Windsor married a man of Maori background. The marriage eventually failed (after 14 years and 2 children, so not one of Megsy’s quickie connections), but the palace doesn’t seem to have had a problem with it. The Queen-in-Counsel gave her consent. (Granted, Davina’s much farther down the succession than Harry.)

  30. FoolMe1Time says:

    HG, this was a wonderful learning opportunity for me. I watched this interview and could see the things you have taught us, to hear you confirm it in your analysis put me over the top! Thank you for all that you do. Xx

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You’re welcome FM1T

  31. Truthseeker6157 says:

    I kept checking YouTube today looking for this. Thank you for making this analysis a priority. I was itching to hear what you would say! So glad you mentioned the Little Mermaid. That clip was so overacted it was nauseating.

    I have so many comments to make about what I saw. I’ll let others get a word in first! Another great analysis HG !

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you

  32. Em says:

    Just wonderful HG. I learn a little more every time particularly from this Narc in action commentary. Thank you
    I had a flash back to my ex narc telling me he contemplated suicide after he had hit on a woman at work, which I believe he did for attention and was suspended then sacked. All his own doing.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome.

  33. Fiddleress says:

    I thoroughly enjoyed listening to your analysis of MM’s narcissism through that interview, HG!
    You said that Harry is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, which I can believe, but Meghan does not come across as particularly bright (or maybe that’s because I find her embarrassing).

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you Fiddleress.

    2. Truthseeker6157 says:

      Hey Fiddleress,

      It’s lovely to see you back x

      1. Fiddleress says:

        Hi TS! Thanks, lovely of you to say so, good to see you too x. Been a bit busy lately, but I’m still around. Hope you are doing great.
        I love this “Very Royal” series! Quite funny for someone whose forefathers did away with their royal family in a gruesome manner, he, haha! Only to put in power autocrats who believe they are King, or God, or both.

        1. Truthseeker6157 says:

          Fiddleress,

          Busy sounds good. Busy sounds like you are moving forward. Are you still house hunting? I remember the last time we ‘spoke’ you were having itchy feet and considering moving closer to the ocean.
          I love house moves, so many places to try out and experience. It’s what life is all about!

          Thank you, I am doing well, I took a sharp dip down in January, the narcissist was in my head and the sadness that went with that was dragging me down. I decided to do things my own way. I’m happy to say, I’m finally rid of him. He no longer resides in my head. He’s gone and I’m back to my pre narc self. Stronger actually, I have learnt a lot about myself through being here. I’m happier in my own skin because of it.

          I know what you mean about the ‘Very Royal’ series. I really enjoy HG’s analysis and style of delivery ha ha! I’m actually not a royalist at all but I know lies and exaggeration when I see them and Markle’s particular brand of narcissism just enrages me!

          Fill me in on what you have been up to when you have time. I’d love to hear about it! Xx

  34. Duchessbea says:

    HG, Pure Class. Your commentary far exceeds your brilliance on this video. Your breakdown was very thorough and precise, and you very much covered every aspect of the interview in great detail. Having been an avid follower of your work, it was interesting to decipher the interview while watching, and Oprah asked the questions that everybody wanted asked. Thank you HG. I bow to the Master.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you, I am pleased you found the analysis useful and interesting.

  35. A Victor says:

    Ugh, can’t watch til after work!! Can’t wait!

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