The Weighty Eighty
“HG, tell me, is Kylie Minogue a narcissist?”
“HG what is the assessment of Joe Biden?”
“HG, can you tell me if Tom Hanks is a narc?”
The hunger for knowledge about the famous continues and accordingly HG Tudor has produced more assessments of the famous.
Now, it is the Weighty Eighty – a collection of heavyweight individuals across politics, history, science, film, literature, celebrity and more. Drawn from around the globe, HG Tudor analyses eighty people and provides to you fifty narcissists with their school and cadre and thirty who do not belong to The Narc Club. Have your favourites escaped the determination of narcissist or have your suspicions been confirmed?
Where do Minogue, Biden and Hanks belong?
There is only one way to find out.
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Re-reading a comment on this article…..
https://narcsite.com/2020/08/25/45253/#comment-377366
Biden’s been in the news. A lot. I’d be surprised if he even made to HG’s ‘Weighty Eighty’ list…..(smirking).
I guess #50 was also a psychopath?
I bet so.
Me too. There must be ASPD. Somebody who is “only” a narcissist cannot do such incredible, terrible, horrible, gruesome things!
HG, is this true, there has to be an ASPD element for these “worse” things?
Define worse.
I would say, going “one step further than the narcissist”, like #50 did! Or Serial Killers like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and those. Or becoming criminal in any form like fraud, product piracy, stealing, living a “parasitic lifestyle”, being MUCH more aggressive than the “usual” narcissist, becoming even physically violent, such things? The NPD-ASPD does just way “worse” (from the empathic perspective) things and may get in trouble with the law (no all ASPDs I guess?)?? Like this? Like written in DSM-V?
Define worse behavior than a narcissist…murder on a mass scale, child raping, sadism…
Leela, I think we already have the answer. Narcissists do everything/anything but with the added components of sadism and Machiavellianism, this is where there is the ASPD. It hinges, I think, on the motive, pleasure from the pain of others or not but rather just seeking fuel and control. Who knows if #50 took pleasure in the actions? It would make sense so but not necessarily, I think.
I think ASPDs are more aggressive and hostile than people with “only” NPD, the ASPD is willing to go one step further. Their abuse is crueler, they are totally callous.
Hey Leela x
That’s an interesting point. If you say the name of number 50 to me I would say psychopath too. Thinking about it though, that might be tv and film in play. The psychopath is always the mass murderer. On the one hand I don’t actually see a great deal of differentiation between the narcissist and the psychopath. Lack of empathy is lack of empathy and in both groups empathy is entirely absent. If your victims are objectified then number 50 felt no differently doing what he did to men women and children than he would scrapping his car.
The cruelty element I think is what we associate with the psychopath. The sadism. The Greater carries the sadism chip too though. This is why I circle back to the theory that Greaters are actually narcissistic psychopaths not just narcissists. A full awareness of themselves, what they do, the impact it has and why they do it. They know what they are doing and take pleasure in it. It’s akin to premeditated murder versus manslaughter. The planning aspect, the intent to cause harm and the self awareness points to psychopathy rather than narcissism.
Like anything else I imagine there is a scale. Cruelty / sadism is one trait amongst others that psychopaths and some narcissists carry. Sadism could be letting your girlfriend’s dog run out into traffic, giving it a kick on the way past, or it could escalate all the way to repeated human torture simply for pleasure. Both demonstrate a sadistic element but on vastly differing scales.
Number 50 did have an objective. Technically. He would say the objective was medical research. He just viewed the test subjects as no different to mice. It clearly demonstrates a perspective where empathy is absent and sadism is high. Again, the objective, the routines followed point to psychopath for me. He was organised, methodical, he had a specific ‘purpose’ and so was goal oriented.
The way I see it, number 50 has to be a narcissistic psychopath sitting right at the top end in terms of the sadistic trait strength. My question still stands. Are all Greater Narcissists actually narcissistic psychopaths?
Hey Leela & AV,
I am going to attempt to answer your questions/inquiries as best as I can. Many of the so called “Malignant Narcissist leaders” throughout history generally fall within the Lower Greater (Aware) and Upper Lesser Type B (Unaware) sub-schools of narcissists. Those sub-schools are generally very aggressive. From our perspective (empathic), these particular narcissists have done more objectively bad things than say a Middle Mid-Range Type B Crybaby.
However, that does not mean that one particular sub-school of narcissist, Lower Greater for example, has more narcissism than another sub-school of narcissist. In HG’s video “Is there a spectrum of Narcissism?”, Narcissist A (Lower Greater) has the same amount (no more/no less) of narcissism as Narcissist B (Middle Mid-Range Type B). Both lack emotional empathy, operate with a sense of entitlement, lack accountability, have poor boundaries, etc. which makes them narcissists. The presentation of those different sub-schools of narcissists is different.
A Middle Mid-Range Type B narcissist has the capability to kill someone, but generally chooses not to do so because of façade management. Brian Laundrie, a suspected Lower Mid-Range Narcissist, probably killed Gabby Petito. He did something awful from our perspective just like Adolf Hitler, does that now make him a “malignant narcissist”? Chris Watts is of different sub-school than Brian Laundrie and Adolf Hitler, is he a “malignant narcissist” too?
Out of all the famous narcissists on the list, some of them have might have psychopathy along with NPD, but a lot of them don’t. I am not sure if #50 has psychopathy along with his narcissism. I am still trying to learn more about psychopathy and how that differs from narcissism. One thing is for certain though, #50 has the same narcissism (no more/no less) as the other narcissists that are listed in the Weighty Eighty.
Hope that helps!