My words “You have given many scenarios and situations where the narcissism is causing the individual to ‘react / respond’ within their environment, or, in some cases, LOCE (because the narcissist is not always in ‘control’)”
This is interesting, considering that Amber Heard, as a narcissist, she is not in control of her environment. She is not in control of any ‘victims’ ie cannot assert her control to anyone in particular in the court-room at this moment in time. This would contribute to her narcissism ‘struggling’ to remain “composed”, so, it does appear that her narcissism has “switched” Amber off (in this particular video clip) and effectively not ‘functioning’ as well as it would normally have been “able” to do.
Amber is ‘stuck’ in a place (the environment) in a room of people (difficulty in asserting her control over them) where a subject is being ‘discussed’ (added ‘difficulty’ at not necessarily being able to ‘re-write’ history, deflect, blame-shift). She has no control over the questions being asked of Johnny, nor any control over his responses.
As HG explains in this video, Amber (or, rather, her narcissism) is trying to work out the “correct” response via facial expressions / body ‘language’.
At the same time, when I suggest her narcissism ‘switching’ Amber off, is this a moment that is very rarely caught on camera, that the narcissism knows it is being filmed, so it seems to ‘switch’ off as part of it’s “survival” mode? Almost like ‘freezing’ / in similar to a ‘hibernation’ mode?
At the start of this clip, she looks ‘asleep’ (like a robot in ‘standby’ mode – laughing here, my choice of words 🙂 ), then as if a switch has been flicked, it (Amber’s narcissism) activates.
What I will suggest here, this is probably where some people can get confused in regard to recognising narcissism, or some other neurodiversity ie Autism / Aspergers, where individuals have little understanding (knowledge) in relation to social cues, social interaction, social communication and what is the ‘appropriate’ response. Even more so, when someone is Deaf and they are not hearing all the spoken words, or the tone of the voice(s) spoken, hence the reliability of being able to see facial expressions and the body language.
As HG suggests, observe the behaviours over a period of time. I would suggest that it is paramount to be aware of narcissism and the behaviours of those who have it and observe the language spoken, ie Narcspeak.
I observed somebody the other day. It was very interesting for me to recall this ‘incident’ as I write the comment as above, especially about those with Aspergers, or narcissism. It was a youngish person (around mid 20s) that did something and the way they ‘responded’(what they said, how they said it) was not someone with ie Aspergers. The actions and what they said was eerily similar to those of the MRN I knew. It was a few seconds “activity” but I was instantly reminded of that MRN’s behaviours because of this person’s blame-shifting ie it was not their fault, denying responsibility for what they did etc. This is one prime example of where there is a difference in between Aspergers and narcissism. The narcissist would drop a quick ‘bomb’, and scarper. An Aspie would have stood there and ‘oh, fk, what do I do?’, ie what is the right thing to do.
I have said this before, the subject and the affects of narcissism is not funny. However, in viewing this particular video, I did laugh, inappropriately, of course 🙂
Thank you, HG. For providing this video clip. For giving me the opportunity to consider and think about what I had to say in response. A very interesting moment or two. I really appreciate what you have “done” here 🙂 Thank you for ‘listening’ too 🙂 xx
Food for thought. Teachers were constantly berating me for how I acted, and i had no idea what they were talking about until in Jr. High, I heard a recorded discussion group, and realized that I was interrupting people and disregarding any opinion but my own–just like my father did at home. I absolutely cringed on realizing how similar I had become to someone I resented so much. Took me a long time before I would speak up on class at all after that, and my participation grades went down.
Like others on here, I have worried about my Narcissistic traits, but I think if I’d been a full-blown narc, that recording wouldn’t have bothered me at all. Full narcissism wouldn’t have allowed me to hear anything wrong with it.
Non-narcs agonize when they realize they’ve put a foot in it. They find lacking social skills and missing unspoken cues bewildering and frustrating. Narcs don’t feel any lack. They may wonder what the other person’s problem is, but their curiosity may not extend even that far.
Violetta, thank you for sharing your experiences regarding social cues and social communication. It is quite common where it has not been explained by peers, especially when it had not been recognised at an age where it would have made a difference had it been understood. It would have saved a lot of mental and emotional ‘tension’, and in some cases, trauma. Muvver writes in a “diary” that I am awkward with her, not surprising when that was her perception but not everyone else’s.
Asp Emp, I agree. This meme of Amber is so funny. HG’s humor is awesome!
I don’t know which video you are referring to but now my curiosity has peaked! I’ll have to check it out, lol.
Amber’s face through the trial pretty much stays the same. She has a flat affect most of the time. This video clip above is one of few where she shows emotion. Johnny looks down a lot while a witness is on the stand preoccupying himself by doodling on a pad. But, his body language and expressions are congruent to the situation around him for the most part.
His speech does seem slow and it takes him awhile to get his thoughts out. That is either a result of him being very thoughtful and careful as to how he will answer and/or a result of all of the years of alcohol and drug use! I don’t think so.
I look forward to Amber’s testimony and how she presents on the stand. I’m getting the popcorn ready!! 🍿🥤
Ugh, I’ve been sucked in to this drama! I can’t help it, I am a big fan of Johnny Depp!
Amber’s face does indeed look as if she ‘met’ with a frying pan 😉 She is not showing any emotion as such, it is via a learned “response” as if she was trying to remember what she needed to ‘portray’, hence her narcissism struggling. See my long comment as above (thank you to HG for moderating it).
Johnny is mature, someone experienced in life, street-wise etc – he has been through a lot in his life. He comes across as someone who is smart too. I don’t believe there is anything ‘false’ where Johnny is concerned, I think he is being his true self but has put on a ‘on best behaviour’ while in the court-room. I believe he has access to a number of people who are very knowledgeable as he appeared to ‘know’ what she is, I may be wrong on this point though.
I really hope he wins this case. Good to ‘see’ you, Wendy 🙂
Asp Emp, thank you! I always enjoy your thoughtful responses.
Omg, that video is hilarious! Thanks for sharing the link. 😂
I agree with with your assessment of both Amber and Johnny. I believe he is putting on his best behavior for the court and she is in a situation where she is out of control. Johnny is definitely rough around the edges but not in a bad way.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.
Wendy, thank you 🙂 I still laugh when I see that gull dropping video 🙂 It is interesting and not surprising that there are video clips on the facial expressions of Amber and the “reasons” why she is doing these expressions. Laughable. Johnny seems to have a lot of giggles. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 🙂
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Hilarious. And your analysis is so telling! So interesting to see it in action!
https://narcsite.com/2021/08/20/harrys-wife-part-71-6-the-death-stare/
My words “You have given many scenarios and situations where the narcissism is causing the individual to ‘react / respond’ within their environment, or, in some cases, LOCE (because the narcissist is not always in ‘control’)”
This is interesting, considering that Amber Heard, as a narcissist, she is not in control of her environment. She is not in control of any ‘victims’ ie cannot assert her control to anyone in particular in the court-room at this moment in time. This would contribute to her narcissism ‘struggling’ to remain “composed”, so, it does appear that her narcissism has “switched” Amber off (in this particular video clip) and effectively not ‘functioning’ as well as it would normally have been “able” to do.
Amber is ‘stuck’ in a place (the environment) in a room of people (difficulty in asserting her control over them) where a subject is being ‘discussed’ (added ‘difficulty’ at not necessarily being able to ‘re-write’ history, deflect, blame-shift). She has no control over the questions being asked of Johnny, nor any control over his responses.
As HG explains in this video, Amber (or, rather, her narcissism) is trying to work out the “correct” response via facial expressions / body ‘language’.
At the same time, when I suggest her narcissism ‘switching’ Amber off, is this a moment that is very rarely caught on camera, that the narcissism knows it is being filmed, so it seems to ‘switch’ off as part of it’s “survival” mode? Almost like ‘freezing’ / in similar to a ‘hibernation’ mode?
At the start of this clip, she looks ‘asleep’ (like a robot in ‘standby’ mode – laughing here, my choice of words 🙂 ), then as if a switch has been flicked, it (Amber’s narcissism) activates.
What I will suggest here, this is probably where some people can get confused in regard to recognising narcissism, or some other neurodiversity ie Autism / Aspergers, where individuals have little understanding (knowledge) in relation to social cues, social interaction, social communication and what is the ‘appropriate’ response. Even more so, when someone is Deaf and they are not hearing all the spoken words, or the tone of the voice(s) spoken, hence the reliability of being able to see facial expressions and the body language.
As HG suggests, observe the behaviours over a period of time. I would suggest that it is paramount to be aware of narcissism and the behaviours of those who have it and observe the language spoken, ie Narcspeak.
I observed somebody the other day. It was very interesting for me to recall this ‘incident’ as I write the comment as above, especially about those with Aspergers, or narcissism. It was a youngish person (around mid 20s) that did something and the way they ‘responded’(what they said, how they said it) was not someone with ie Aspergers. The actions and what they said was eerily similar to those of the MRN I knew. It was a few seconds “activity” but I was instantly reminded of that MRN’s behaviours because of this person’s blame-shifting ie it was not their fault, denying responsibility for what they did etc. This is one prime example of where there is a difference in between Aspergers and narcissism. The narcissist would drop a quick ‘bomb’, and scarper. An Aspie would have stood there and ‘oh, fk, what do I do?’, ie what is the right thing to do.
I have said this before, the subject and the affects of narcissism is not funny. However, in viewing this particular video, I did laugh, inappropriately, of course 🙂
Thank you, HG. For providing this video clip. For giving me the opportunity to consider and think about what I had to say in response. A very interesting moment or two. I really appreciate what you have “done” here 🙂 Thank you for ‘listening’ too 🙂 xx
Food for thought. Teachers were constantly berating me for how I acted, and i had no idea what they were talking about until in Jr. High, I heard a recorded discussion group, and realized that I was interrupting people and disregarding any opinion but my own–just like my father did at home. I absolutely cringed on realizing how similar I had become to someone I resented so much. Took me a long time before I would speak up on class at all after that, and my participation grades went down.
Like others on here, I have worried about my Narcissistic traits, but I think if I’d been a full-blown narc, that recording wouldn’t have bothered me at all. Full narcissism wouldn’t have allowed me to hear anything wrong with it.
Non-narcs agonize when they realize they’ve put a foot in it. They find lacking social skills and missing unspoken cues bewildering and frustrating. Narcs don’t feel any lack. They may wonder what the other person’s problem is, but their curiosity may not extend even that far.
Violetta, thank you for sharing your experiences regarding social cues and social communication. It is quite common where it has not been explained by peers, especially when it had not been recognised at an age where it would have made a difference had it been understood. It would have saved a lot of mental and emotional ‘tension’, and in some cases, trauma. Muvver writes in a “diary” that I am awkward with her, not surprising when that was her perception but not everyone else’s.
Absolutely hilarious! I can just make out a snail within that bubble?
It does remind me of the video going viral where seagulls were “shi*ting” on MM’s dress during the Oprah interview.
Thank you, HG, your humour is just too yum 🙂
Asp Emp, I agree. This meme of Amber is so funny. HG’s humor is awesome!
I don’t know which video you are referring to but now my curiosity has peaked! I’ll have to check it out, lol.
Amber’s face through the trial pretty much stays the same. She has a flat affect most of the time. This video clip above is one of few where she shows emotion. Johnny looks down a lot while a witness is on the stand preoccupying himself by doodling on a pad. But, his body language and expressions are congruent to the situation around him for the most part.
His speech does seem slow and it takes him awhile to get his thoughts out. That is either a result of him being very thoughtful and careful as to how he will answer and/or a result of all of the years of alcohol and drug use! I don’t think so.
I look forward to Amber’s testimony and how she presents on the stand. I’m getting the popcorn ready!! 🍿🥤
Ugh, I’ve been sucked in to this drama! I can’t help it, I am a big fan of Johnny Depp!
😊
Wendy, thank you for your response. It is this video (laughing again now!)…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjncua0omXs
Amber’s face does indeed look as if she ‘met’ with a frying pan 😉 She is not showing any emotion as such, it is via a learned “response” as if she was trying to remember what she needed to ‘portray’, hence her narcissism struggling. See my long comment as above (thank you to HG for moderating it).
Johnny is mature, someone experienced in life, street-wise etc – he has been through a lot in his life. He comes across as someone who is smart too. I don’t believe there is anything ‘false’ where Johnny is concerned, I think he is being his true self but has put on a ‘on best behaviour’ while in the court-room. I believe he has access to a number of people who are very knowledgeable as he appeared to ‘know’ what she is, I may be wrong on this point though.
I really hope he wins this case. Good to ‘see’ you, Wendy 🙂
Asp Emp, thank you! I always enjoy your thoughtful responses.
Omg, that video is hilarious! Thanks for sharing the link. 😂
I agree with with your assessment of both Amber and Johnny. I believe he is putting on his best behavior for the court and she is in a situation where she is out of control. Johnny is definitely rough around the edges but not in a bad way.
I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.
Thanks Asp Emp, good to ‘see’ you too. 😊
Wendy, thank you 🙂 I still laugh when I see that gull dropping video 🙂 It is interesting and not surprising that there are video clips on the facial expressions of Amber and the “reasons” why she is doing these expressions. Laughable. Johnny seems to have a lot of giggles. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 🙂
I heard she just fired her PR team! Lol