Closure Denied



We do not do the clean break. We never allow closure. There is no neat conclusion when you have been entangled with our kind. You are not allowed the precise and final cut of the surgeon’s scalpel but instead you must be content with the rusty saw that has sought to effect an amputation but instead has merely created a grisly abomination whereby there remains tendrils attached and ragged and torn flesh. No matter how hot the water which flows in your shower and the vigour with which you scrub your reddened flesh, no matter how much detergent you apply and no matter whether you use scrubbing brush or wire wool you cannot remove that residue. We linger. We remain. We percolate and infiltrate.

This, like much of what we do, is a calculated act to maintain a connection between you and us. We can never let go so we see no reason why you should be allowed to either. The residue which we create and which you cannot remove, takes many forms. It may be the fact that we chose you when we worked together so that each day you have no choice but to see us across the floor space in the same office, in the cafeteria or striding across the car park. Once upon a time, like every good fairy tale, you smiled and you felt your heart skip a beat as you saw us exit the lift and smile at you. That wonderful smile which was just for you. Now when we exit the lift and our cold, dead eyes alight on you, the smile is no more than a sickly leer which slowly opens up across our face as we know the residue of our impact on your remains deep inside you. You are faced with this each day. It is either that or leave and go somewhere else and even though you know that the latter is probably the most appropriate cause of action, something prevents you from doing so. Is it because you still want to see us? Of course it is. You may very well hate us but you cannot still help yourself as you want to see what we are doing and allow yourself the indulgence of looking at us and remembering.

In a different way the residue may be the fact that we owe you money and you are left to contact us, despite not wishing to do so, because you want, no, because you need that money. After all, we leeched from you so successfully that we have left you in penury and you need this money to be reimbursed. Part of you would rather write it off and in doing so hope that you can scour us from your memory, but circumstance dictates the necessity of collection. We know this and we shall provide excuse and exhibit delay and prevarication in order to keep you hanging on and in order to keep the connection between us alive still. The money will be paid by the end of the week promise. Sorry but we had to have a new boiler fitted so it will be next month now. The bonus was not as large as had been promised so it will a further three months as I shall have to pay you by instalments. What money? I do not know owe you anything. We keep you dangling and pull at the connection that remains between you and I. If it is not money, then it will be possessions. We will purposefully leave our belongings in your house and you will repeatedly ask us to collect them. We issue similar excuses to the repayment of the borrowed money. I am a bit busy at the moment maybe next week. I need to collect it in a car and mine is in the garage at the moment. If the possessions are not ours at your property then we will have ensured that in addition or as an alternative we will have kept items belonging to you with us, causing you to have to keep some form of contact with us in order to recover them. We ensure we select those items which are expensive and of sentimental value so you will not be able to replace them but instead you must keep asking us for the items. We will string out the return of these items by failing to be in when you call to collect them, turning up to deliver them when you are not in, forgetting to do so and so forth. It all maintains the link between us and increases your upset, annoyance and frustration. We want to keep our residue in your life so that when we choose to make our move we can suck you back in without difficulty.

We will remain in the same circle of friends as you. With our notoriously thick skin we will still turn up to meals and drinks knowing that you will be there. You will feel uncomfortable and resent our intrusion. Third parties will try to keep the peace and of course we will maintain our façade in order to show that we are a good person and we are just trying to be civil following the ending of the relationship. You may react to this and it enables us to point out that you are unhinged, unpleasant and always have to bear a grudge. Is it any wonder that we left?

Whilst we create the ever presence so that you see us everywhere you go, in sounds, in sights and tastes, we also like to leave our mark on you, smearing you with the residue of the relationship so that you feel tainted for the rest of your life, marked with the repeated reminder that you have been embroiled in a relationship with us and moreover to let you know in the clearest terms that you will never be free of us. We can never be washed away.


29 thoughts on “Closure Denied”

  1. Closure might be denied. EXPOSURE not denied. Seizing the POWER and loving every minute. It is so not true that the narc is more powerful, expose them and see how powerful they become. They become a pathetic recluse. I was told a long time ago, “You’re messing with the wrong guy”. Actually dick, you messed with the wrong woman! You just can’t lie, fake and fraud everyone and believe you are untouchable forever. He thought he HATED me when I figured him out, haha! Now go find yourself someone dumber than yourself if you can…..THANK YOU HG! ❤


  2. we sought out within the wrong person.

    we cannot seek it from the one who hurt us: that would require them admitting that they wronged us. That would require the narc to admit that we are entitled to anything at all, including the truth. They are incapable of this. They will never admit to hurting us because we are not equals or worth anything and definitely not entitled to have any rights thus no right to get the truth from them (which brings up questions about HG giving us this right???) We are toys to be discarded/put on the shelf, as HG has mentioned. To give us closure they would have to admit we are equals, that we have rights… and also giving us closure would hurt their attempts at hoovering us. It would close a door they do not wish closed fully. It would enable us to move on and cut ties completely. It would prevent them gaining any future fuel from us.

    thus we must seek our own closure, we have to be the ones discarding te narc-ex fully. we have to be the ones closing the door completely and moving on. We have to understand that hanging on is not an option.

    we have to accept that that sweet wonderful (FAKE) smile was NOT just for us, as you will be giving that same smile to any and all of your fuel sources behind our back. It was never for us you acted sweet or nice but for yourself, to gain something, to entrap us, to fool us. We have to come to terms with it completely and KNOW it for the game it was.

    money owed will never be repaid because you felt we owed you everything we have and are, thus you do not feel you owe us anything rather that we owe you, thus you will never repay. we then have to accept it and cut our losses before you do more damage then you have already done.

    if items are not collected within a certain amount of time and with several requests for the narc-ex to pick them up, we have a right to put them in a box on the curb with notice to you to collect them before the garbage truck does or before they are collected by needy people. We are also able to pack them in boxes and drop them off at someone else’s home ( a narc-ex’s family member or flying monkey) where the narc-ex can collect them rather then have to deal with it directly.

    there are sooo many other ways to cut ties completely and prevent contact…
    including using a proxy for contact if there are children involved and contact cannot be cut off 100%


  3. hm my comment was cut, sorry. it should say
    “we must get our own closure via understanding and grieving. we have to learn to accept and make our peace with the fact that we loved a fictional character and that the imaginary person we were in love with is NOT the narc-ex but a reflection of the person we wish to meet and would love if found in real life.
    The grieving process must involve insight into the detachement of the ex-narc from the character we have been in love with (and still are).

    Only by accepting that they were never, contrary to previous belief, one and the same but two very distinct entities – where the ex-narc never loved us and was never worthy of said love-, can we grieve properly and move on. Only then can we turn our life to the pursuit of rebuilding who we are meant to be. Only then can we search more confidently, using our new found knowledge to seek out, the person we should be loving: the one who embodies those traits we sought out within the wrong person. ”

    before the above

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    1. I love this Ali. “…the imaginary person we were in love with is NOT the narc-ex but a reflection of the person we wish to meet and would love if found in real life.”
      Thank you!


  4. Truly sadistic. Narchole has deleted all the photos from our “relationship” in Dropbox, with the exception of my photos from our last holiday in January, but even then he deleted all the pics of me and kept all the ones of him self. Then he put a lock on them. If I want access to my own photos I’d have to break NC. I’ve written them off. It’s not worth the hastle. An excellent article HG. Btw, you were right; he did finally attempt to get in touch via text. I ignored it. I expect he’ll try again won’t he?


    1. You have done the correct thing by writing them off. The sanctity of your no contact should be regarded as worth more than many things. Yes, he will try again, subject to the Hoover Trigger and Hoover Execution Criteria.


      1. The Hoover trigger is activated every fortnight – we used to do radio show together, which I now do with a new co-host. He still does his other show after mine, so I’m supposed to hand over… He called the shots to the team he didn’t want to see or speak to me so it was requested that I end my show early to save his face. At first I carried out his wishes but I became angry I was giving him power/control over me, so now I leave on time and that’s when we meet. When I saw him the other day I could feel and smell his hatred of me. He was fizzing with negative vibes. I ignored him completely.
        Yesterday was very hard. The urge to contact him was stong, but I resisted….
        Thank you for your help, it is most appreciated.


  5. I squirted myself with Vanish once, but nothing happened. Yes, I am a squirter.

    HG, what is it that you feel when you’re surrounded by beautiful naturistic landscape scenes; rainbows/waterfalls/fireworks/trees/flowers/mountains/wildlife etc? What, if anything, does it conjure up inside of you?


    1. I can appreciate them for the purposes of storing the image to use to my advantage at a later date, for instance, explaining the beauty of a view from a hilltop to impress a target, to describe the serenity of a forest in such detail to appeal to the listener. Words are weapons.

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  6. Closure denied? That’s impossible. We are only trapped by our own minds.

    Rinse. Repeat.

    I am working to firmly entrench that into my psyche. I’ll get there.

    Meanwhile I am comforted by the space and time between me and the ex narc. Both my parents are dead at early ages. They can’t hurt me. Again, only the shackles of my own making restrict my recovery.

    Rinse. Repeat.

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  7. I swear HG, you are the tHiNg lurking around my life! Or at least has been. Yes he’s gone (for) now, but this script is/was the story of my life.
    Between you and me HG, does your name begin with a P? I know you wont say….but Im thinking the HG is an alias yes?


      1. Wow didnt expect that answer HG. Thought you might just fib…a little.
        Im actually glad your name doesnt start with P. Although I should have known. Your intelligence is much greater than the tHiNg’S. TY. 😉


  8. Money wasn’t an issue with us, but he left behind a bunch of stuff he used for his business, plus financial records. Everything was donated or trashed and I had a professional company shred 10 boxes of financial documents. Positive fuel!


    1. That is a good question. I say no because I have found an effective method of addressing that residue by being what I am. I do know however that there are those who say that the way I am is the residue.
      Of course the effect of the residue and how it is addressed is different for empathic victims of our kind.


    1. If we die, or you die, that is correct. Otherwise there is always a risk. It may never happen because there is no Hoover Trigger (unlikely) or the Hoover Execution Criteria is not met (which could happen). You ought to plan accordingly to minimise the risk.


  9. Well my situation is different. I got closure. I told him nicely I had to work
    On myself. I played it like
    It was me. He smiled. And said it was unhealthy. He was calm. But we sat in a coffeehouse. I didn’t want to
    Meet him at his place. He had no problem
    Saying goodbye. I think
    Free and clear HG… and this is a huge self seeking, attention craving man
    Child. We’ve blocked each other. He doesn’t want anything anymore to do W me. It’s ok. He has so many women he says are friends…. I will
    Be out of sight and out of mind. I really believe that HG. This one got away.


  10. I’ll even go
    On record stating that if you declare his next moves and they are right… I
    Will tell
    Everyone you know the truth. The thing is …. I’m out. He is busy. He will
    Forget me so fast. A year isn’t too long a time to date. 12 months. Nbd. I nailed it. He’s probably sleeping w someone else as I write this. Poor girl. This one was broken. Not anymore. 28
    Hrs free and clear. Most ever. Whatcha day to that ?


  11. The narc I married broke up with me via text several times over the course of the first 6 months we were together. I always begged him to take me back and begged him to talk to me in person. Ugh. If I knew then what I know now….


  12. So did you even realize that all your vile and hateful thoughts toward others are actually what you think about yourself? Your silly little ego mask that you hold up, claiming that you’re the master of this and the master of that…. it’s all stolen personality traits. Because all the psychopath can do is mimic others. You should see how many Jokers and Harley Quinns are out there right now!! It’s fucking ridiculous!

    You’re all goddamn movie characters! Right “Ryan Gosling”?

    The vile insulting hateful shit, the discards and the blameshifting… that’s because you project your own failures onto your victims and you can’t stand to be faced with your own weakness, so you blame someone else after you force them to feel your emotions for you.

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