A Very Royal Narcissist

A VERY ROYALNARCISSIST

On Saturday 19th May, Rachel Meghan Markle (“RMM”) will marry Prince Harry and this forthcoming union is attracting just as much attention for the debacle surrounding the bride’s family as the event itself. I will be far more interested in the FA Cup which takes place on the same day, but one cannot avoid the repeated mention of the forthcoming royal nuptials and thus Miss Markle comes under scrutiny.

Is she a narcissist? Her half-sister, Samantha Markle certainly thinks so as she has been particularly outspoken about RMM calling her

a narcissist, a shallow, social climber”

She has also criticised RMM for failing to provide any emotional or financial support to her and RMM’s father once RMM became famous. Others have described Samantha Markle as being jealous and exhibiting a sense of entitlement. Are Samantha’s remarks accurate and demonstrate what RMM is and those attacking Samantha are the coterie and Lieutenants of RMM, as they attempt to limit any damage and discredit Samantha or are they the remarks  and the ramblings of a jealous sibling? It is difficult to assess in isolation. However, it is interesting that Samantha chose such a description. If she wanted to insult RMM she might have chosen other unpleasant descriptions such as branding her a whore, a gold-digger, stand-offish and such like. Thus, might there be some grain of truth (when viewed cynically) in what Samantha Markle has said?

Samantha Markle also commented that RMM watched the royals on television when young (hardly anything unique in that) and that RMM preferred Harry as she has a soft spot for gingers and it was always her ambition to be a princess. It is hardly a revelation that a young girl wants to be a princess, many do aspire to that dream as part of their childhood and drop such a notion as they grow older.

Other family members have not been shy at expressing their opinion about RMM. Her Uncle Michael Markle stated

I’m upset and surprised about not being selected but if they don’t want me there, then I don’t want to go.”

Half-brother Tom Markle Jnr remarked

She’s torn our entire family apart. She’s clearly forgotten her roots.” 

He claims he sent her a congratulatory letter on her engagement which was not replied to.

Two other uncles have been snubbed, one a bishop (admittedly of his own church) and the other a retired US diplomat. It appears only two family members of RMM have actually been invited and the farce surrounding her father’s attendance/non-attendance on her wedding day has clogged-up many a newsfeed. It transpires that it is her mother Doria Ragland who will attend and give RMM away. Her mother has only arrived in the UK three days ago where one might have expected a longer attendance given the high-profile nature of the wedding. Did she not want to come sooner or was she not permitted to do so?

Is it the case that RMM is surrounded by a dysfunctional family and thinks it better that they should not attend or is it the case that whilst her family may have their issues they wish to share in RMM’s happy wedding day and would do so without complication, but RMM sees their attendance and involvement as embarrassing, a reminder of where she came from (which she wants to forget now she is in the rarified atmosphere of royal life) and thus is most content to keep them an ocean away and uninvited? A caring individual would most likely invite family because, well, they are family. Yes, the odd relative may not be invited for cogent reasons but to only have two family members attend does smack of a calculated decision to keep them away because they no longer serve any purpose and would damage RMM’s image. If so, such behaviour is in line with the narcissistic behaviour of maintaining a particular appearance and cutting people off quite readily.

Such a conclusion gains credence with the revelations from former friend Ninaki Priddy who was friends with RMM for thirty of RMM’s 36 years on the planet. Miss Priddy commented

Meghan was calculated, very calculated in the way she handled people and relationships. She is very strategic in the way she cultivates circles of friends. Once she decides you’re not part of her life, she can be very cold. It’s this shutdown mechanism she has.”

Miss Priddy’s observation, if accurate, paints a picture of significant narcissistic behaviour by demonstrating

  • calculated behaviour to achieve an aim
  • friendship is developed for ulterior gain, not for the friendship in itself
  • the switching behaviour – white to black
  • the swift execution of such behaviour evidencing a lack of empathy

Having been a friend for such an extensive time period Miss Priddy must have some basis for the remarks. Might she however be a jealous friend? Her friendship ended with RMM owing to the way RMM treated her first husband, Trevor Engleton. A disapproval of such behaviour does demonstrate empathy on the part of Miss Priddy and lends credence to her credibility with regard to her observations.

RMM and Mr Engleton were together for six years and married in 2011. Soon after, RMM achieved her breakthrough role as an actress in the series ‘Suits’ and moved to Toronto. Mr Engleton was the one who travelled back and forth from California to Toronto to support his wife. He put in the miles as he shuttled to and from RMM with no suggestion she reciprocated. Not withstanding his dedication, the marriage did not last long and they split and divorced in 2013. Mr Engleton commented that the split “came out of the blue” and that RMM posted the engagement and wedding rings back to him to show it was over. Did RMM disengage from Mr Engleton without explanation, just relying on the symbolic act of returning the rings? If so, such haughty and dismissive behaviour would accord with the behaviour of a narcissist.

Miss Priddy explained that once the nuptials had been secured between the two, RMM behaved “like a light switched off”. This is further indicative behaviour demonstrating that once RMM felt her relationship with Mr Engleton was secured through marriage, she had control and therefore need not behave towards him in a favourable way, in other words, the golden period came to an end. Apparently, RMM had commented about Mr Engleton previously

“if anything were to happen to [Mr Engleton] she wouldn’t be able to go on”

Yet, RMM ended the marriage. Of course people’s feelings can change, but there was no suggestion that Mr Engleton did anything to invite such treatment, on the contrary he remained a faithful and devoted husband, but it appeared he had outlived his usefulness and with RMM’s career rising and in the ascendancy he was no longer required and thus jettisoned with familiar callousness and swiftness which is the preserve of the narcissist.

During her time in Toronto, there were suggestions that whilst married she became close to a Michael Del Zolte, whether there is any substance in this is unknown. It was also rumoured she had a fling with the golfer Rory McIlroy but again this is unconfirmed. If those suggestions were true then this would accord with the behaviour of a narcissist who has no concern with regard to infidelity and serving a sense of entitlement. Indeed, if this was the case then with Mr Engleton secured by marriage and ensconced in California, he would be in devaluation as the Intimate Partner Primary Source and it would not be a surprise for Mr Del Zolte and Mr McIlroy to become ensnared also as Intimate Partner Secondary Sources. However, the extent of any veracity with regard to these rumoured extra-marital relationships remains unconfirmed.

It is however confirmed that following the end of her marriage, RMM moved on to Canadian Chef Cory Vitiello and the pair dated through 2014 to 2016. Further comment has arisen that her relationship with Prince Harry arose whilst she was still with Mr Vitiello and she then ended the relationship with him because Prince Harry was in the picture. If accurate, such a shift from one person to another, especially one which would be regarded as a ‘trade-up’ in terms of wealth, status and position would appeal to a narcissist. Of course, people do move from one relationship to another with some overlap and this is not in itself determinative of that person as begin a narcissist, but such behaviour, which is ultimately self-serving and selfish whichever way it is looked at, is not flattering and when added to other indicative factors, then the evidence begins to mount up.

RMM and Prince’s Harry’s relationship has naturally been well-documented and they became engaged after just 18 months of meeting. Some may see that as rather quick, but it is not unduly hasty and certainly many narcissists would outstrip that time period with room to spare.

A number of RMM’s behaviours certainly weigh against her in terms of narcissism –

  • She was a stripper ( a role, as with being an actress that appeals to someone with high narcissistic traits even if it does not make them a narcissist)
  • She stated she was a stripper on her CV, clearly unconcerned about how that would appear – evidencing a sense of entitlement and lack of accountability
  • The reference to her being a stripper was then later removed from her CV as she began to move in more refined circles – facade management
  • Her body language in interviews and engagements with Harry has shown her to stare at him for an overly long time, clasp his hand and place her hand repeatedly on Harry’s back (the Trump power pat) all of which denotes a desire to dominate and signal that she is in charge whilst no doubt using plausible deniability to reject such an accusation by claiming that she is being supportive
  • There have been suggestions that she has not actually graduated from North West University although claiming to do so – if so, this is the grandiosity, telling of lies and stage management that narcissists engage in
  • Mirroring – she wore a blue bracelet identical to Harry’s and has repeatedly worn outfits and also adopted poses mirroring Kate Middleton (the Duchess of Cambridge), Princess Diana and Pippa Middleton. The photographs and footage show this repeated narcissistic trait.
  • Allegations that her wealth is over-stated. She is said to be worth US $ 5 million yet was living in a poor area of Toronto in property apparently paid for by the studio responsible for suits – if this is correct this show grandiosity and facade management
  • Touts herself as a feminist and taking up progressive causes, caring about mental health however was content to wear a £ 56 000 engagement dress (so much for being a humanitarian), has apparently done nothing to assist her own father who has health issues and as for her commitment to progressive causes so far this appears to have been writing a letter aged 11 or thereabouts to a soap company complaining about a sexist add and writing a piece for Elle magazine about her struggle concerning her racial identity. Hardly a litany of fire-brand commitment and therefore evidence the hypocrisy, facade management and fake empathy of the narcissist.
  • She has expensive tastes and likes to show off her connections as evidenced by the list of famous friends and high end products which existed on her Instagram account before it was closed down – again grandiosity
  • Prince Harry has never met her father which seems a very strange step given he is the father of the bride and Prince Harry has no difficulty in travelling around the world. Does RMM want to keep those troublesome facade damaging relatives away from her target perhaps? The typical narcissistic behaviour of compartmentalising their lives and isolating perceived troublemakers.
  • Many of Prince Harry’s childhood friends have not been invited to the wedding but many celebrities have. One doubts this is Prince Harry’s doing but rather the actions of a controlling and calculating mind who does not want reminders of a world she did not occupy and instead prefers to fill it with vacuous status-boosintg celebrities who are only really there to say ‘look at me’ anyway.

The cumulative effect of these behaviours, the treatment of family, the intimate relationship pattern (especially towards her ex-husband) and the observations of a longstanding former friend do cause the conclusion that RMM is a narcissist, to be reached. All of the above, some of which are confirmed and others remain speculative as stated, if all taken to be accurate demonstrate

  • A sense of entitlement
  • A lack of empathy
  • A lack of accountability
  • Black and white thinking
  • Use of inter-personal relationships as devices for self-gain
  • Lying
  • Grandiosity
  • Haughty behaviour
  • A manufactured version of self
  • Facade management
  • A desire for recognition and response (fuel)
  • Switching
  • Compartmentalisation
  • Isolation

All of which support RMM being a narcissist.

This conclusion is also heavily supported by Prince Harry himself. This is a man who lost his mother in tragic circumstances and at a very young age followed his mother’s hearse with the eyes of the world on him. He has faced repeated rumours about his real father not being Prince Charles but James Hewitt. It is clear that these experiences have had a significant impact on him and would suggest he has suffered some form of damage, a trait which is attractive to the narcissist.

Prince Harry no doubt has a significant extrovert streak. He is not academic but is industrious, well-liked and enjoyed something of a reputation as a party prince. However, be under no illusion that those in the upper echelons of society have always enjoyed a good knees-up and engaged in substantial bacchanalian excess – the difference then was the world’s media and social media was nowhere near as brazen and intrusive. Furthermore, those around the royals were far more discrete. Prince Harry is no different to many of his family and ancestors – he has just been seen enjoying himself raucously rather than it be hidden.

Prince Harry is an empathic individual. He has inherited Princess Diana’s caring and empathic traits. He has evidenced this through his career in the army, his establishment of the Invictus Games and charity work such as his trek to the south pole. He admires Kate and William’s settled and stable family life – contrast this to his own childhood – and it is patently clear that this vivacious man is one of empathy who craves the establishment of his own settled life and his various traits are a magnet to the narcissist.

The traits and behaviours of RMM, coupled with her selection of Prince Harry and his own traits confirms that come Saturday 19th May, the Very Suited Narcissist will achieve her childhood ambition and become a royal and so with it the creation of a Very Royal Narcissist.

 

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855 thoughts on “A Very Royal Narcissist”

  1. You are dead right on this HG. To an untrained eye it seems like this is a fairy tale. Nope this is a. Akcunatex nightmare waiting to unfold. When “set up” on what was supposedly a blind date, she only asked if he was nice because if he wasn’t kind it wouldn’t make sense. Of course it wouldn’t make sense cause she’s a narcissist she is only looking to feast on another’s kindness and emotions

  2. I read somewhere that RMM followed “The Rules” dating book by Fein & Schneider which apparently teaches women how to win a high quality man.

      1. That book “the rules” is basically how to be a narcissist and manipulate people into love affairs/entanglements.

      2. I almost called you Harper, H for Harper. But, I couldn’t detected the heavy breathing. 🤔 until the end of time.😊 Btw, off my meds again.

      3. That book “the rules” is basically how to be a narcissist and manipulate people into love affairs/entanglements.

        Sounds like my therapy sessions. Everybody is out for self. The sooner we realise self preservation comes first the better off we will be. Wow’ what a revelation my first social services job was with Family Preservation which focus on reunification using a multidisciplinary approach to healing and bringing families back together.

        Using PLEASE skills and leveraging other resources in a multidisciplinary approach on self may be the answer to the healing.

        The adage it takes a community stands true. We may be able to point put a certain narcisst that screwed us over but in reality most of us was predisposed and this didn’t happen overnight. ( plan b) doesn’t work. It takes time, resources, commitment to self, and establishing proper boundaries to protect self to be successful in this journey.

  3. Two comments I love redheads because my late fiancee was from denmark and had red hair only one in the family everyone else was blonde, secondly hg as an adult over 18 or 19 have you ever been ensnared romantically by a narcissist woman?

  4. The only way I can foresee racism being a factor is if RMM makes it one herself. I’m speaking from both personal experience with the racism and Narcississm. (Before anyone gets up in arms.) It’s just interesting to project into the future and speculate – if she has a falling out with the Royals – what card she will play. I say this because when I met my narcissist ex, (I realize now) he painted his previous ex black and he also painted his own people black (I mean black vs white in narcissistic thinking NOT race) because he is not from the same country as me. Not knowing that he was a narcissist; I sometimes explained away his oddities due to cultural differences.
    And post-formal relationship its now become a tiny issue because the professionals involved must make a determination based on the grain of truth – namely that he hails from a different cultural background.

    (In my personal situation, I can project forward and based on how my narcissist is framing his story; I could see him going ‘back home’ and painting my country black, using the ‘racism’ card.)

    Sorry, HG – I know you meant it not to be a discussion about race but Moira’s comments got me thinking about my own situation.

    It is sad that the reality may be clouded because most narcissists would see no issue with playing that card and the truth of their narcissism could never come to light as a result of using it. And that truly isn’t fair because I have nothing against interracial marriages/families.

    1. Yes, some narcissists would play the race card – either way – in order to maintain control and gain fuel.

    2. Listen, only because there are narcissists who exploit legitimate social political issues, as I know a lesbian who puts everything down to homophobia because she does not want to believe that people just can stand her as an individual because she’s insufferable and doesn’t know how to act, doesn’t mean that in every case and circumstance RMM is not going to face racism due to being the only brown/black woman in royalty, let’s be real.
      I’ve seen comments by white women, who most likely know nothing about narcissism saying that RMM is “trash,”
      Trash for what reason? In interviews she comes across as charming and sweet and besotted with Harry, a “normal” would not recognise the alleged narcissism.
      Which makes me think there will be white narcissistic injury at play here as well, because let’s face it she’s the hottest royal member, and Harry chose her over his “kind.”

      1. True.. I swallowed my words when I read the mutt comment. I remember there are narcs here as well. If you are in the U.S. 70% chances you are a mutt. The thought that Harry is the first to muddy the waters shows that I am not the only one due for a history lesson.

      2. Hi Yolo,

        I am a European-American mutt and proud of it! Mutts live longer and have less genetic abnormalities, and when a mutt is a canine, they are really cute – my last doggie was a rescue dog mutt and she was one of a kind!

        No matter what a person’s (or doggie’s) background, they should feel good about themselves and their uniqueness. (sorry if that sounds like a lecture, that is not how I mean it to come across).

      3. Kate
        Scientifically human races don’t exist. It’s an artificially made up concept to support colonialism. We’re all just humans.

      4. I must say there are some signs of manipulation for example in the engagement interview, but these were subtle and no more than anyone else would do as far as I can see, in a situation where she is under so much pressure. Its made me see as a codependent that I have a similar need to control at times. I would not invite most of my dysfunctional family to my wedding.
        Before she was famous she worked in a homeless soup kitchen. There is no glamour and little thanks in that. I have also noted that she does not ever make references to that and I don’t think that a Narc would be able to keep quiet about that kind of altruism no matter how cover they were.
        Sometimes cutting out a partner is such a way in a clean break is the way to go. No point creating ambiguity, it can just prolong the agony. I don’t blame her at all for making a clean break.
        As for her mother not coming over earlier, try getting time off in the States, at least that’s my understanding of it.
        It worries me that they are both in the infatuation stages and they are both only putting their best selves forward. Time will tell.
        Interestingly though in the original livestream on part of the vows about sharing posessions. Meghan promises hm whilst also shaking her head. This has been edited out of all the replays. PS Nelly Dean AKA Mrs Linton. Nellie Dean fits me better these days.

  5. Wow! Tough room on the Gingers!!! Where all the empaths at? Its hair color people, and I have never judged anyones looks or intelligence on it. And I get shit for being the narcky one?

    No Im not one before you ask.

    1. NarcAngel you are correct. I have been feeling guilty about my unkind comments. It’s not nice. I’m ashamed of myself, standing in the corner and self-flagellating as we speak. 😞

    2. NarcAngel
      Ha ha ha…I love the Weasley’s. I read that it has something to do with Viking invaders.

    3. NarcAngel
      Hey! I spoke up for Nordic genes! My favorite type is tall, light blonde with a red beard.

      1. I do not care about the hair color, but I do like tall men with a nice beard.

    4. My little boy is a redhead… more so then harry.
      We call him ginger ninja and he loves it!
      I’m a fan of the redhead now.

  6. Hi HG,
    Digging the new header!

    By the way, has anyone yet asked you about Victoria Beckham and her persistent sour expression in pics? What’s the deal with this couple? Hes always smiling, best dressed and hotness to another level. Too hot to not be a narc 🤣 She always looks miserable and well dressed and needs a biscuit.

    1. Thank you.

      DB smiles a lot because he is simple and thus everything around him delights him. He’s happy, so leave him to it.

      VB is miserable. All of the time.

      1. That is a wonderful way to be. Simple and living in the moment the way dogs do! I just wish he had thought through that neck tattoo decision a little bit more.

      2. Yes…….she clearlrly is miserable.

        But why? Do you think either are at narcissist level? Is she miserable because he gets all the attention or bc he’s not a kind person to her or….

        Is he always happy truly? Simple and not a narc and just a nice guy ? Or happy and drinking up the fuel bc he gets it endlessly?

      3. I think because she eats so little she does not have the energy to try to smile so she doesn’t. Inside she must be happy as a gamboling lamb.

        Are they narcissists. Given the poll involves one of them, Indy, I shall say nothing for the time being.

      4. Today’s new word “gamboling”. Didn’t know it existed. I would’ve used “frisky”. Your command of the English language never ceases to amaze me, HG. The Latin is quite sexy as well. Hopelessly smitten.

      5. VB is probably miserable because she hasnt eaten without throwing up in years.

  7. Did I hear correctly that

    JAMES CORDEN

    was in attendance!!!!

    (I figure the bear could take a little poking today because Man U did not win yesterday).

      1. If you were invited, you would have attended surely?!? James Corden or not.

    1. Narcangel…i seen a pic of james corden and had to laugh i dont think hes a favorite of HG’s😄

    1. She may be a narcissist herself or there has been some stirring. I have not seen any interview where she spoke about RMM being a narcissist, but read repeated print media where she was quoted as saying that.

  8. I empathise with Moira’s response to the article even though I disagree that HG is motivated by racism. I’m mixed race and when I initially saw this article I felt defensive because of “stereotype threat.” If she is a narcissist then it will reflect badly on her class and her black mother and used as a reason not to marry outside of your race, and a reason the royals should have never allowed the “coloured people” through the door, while if she was white then she will just be seen as a “bad human being”
    But honestly I don’t think HG cares that she’s mixed race, he would probably be Harry if RMM wasn’t a narc lol

      1. On second thought though, would HG implement racist abuse during devaluation??? Hhhmmm
        Can’t trust any narcissist!
        I remember when my white highly narcissistic ex wanted me to ID as white and to have my brownie arse passing for Italian or some shit lol I guess he was ashamed of fucking a “coloured” girl

      2. HG

        That is the one statement I believe is truth when one of your kind says that in my real life. And I have heard it, they just look at me funny when I am very serious when I tell them I believe them.

      3. In my devaluation with an American Narc – he was putting a lot of emphasize on my Latin roots and because my mother tongue was not English and because I was Canadian. What was so marvellous and exotic at the begining became a big hurdle in our relationship… I can’t have a normal conversation with your familly, You don’t understand all the subtleties , you will never be able to adapt to the US… You are emotional like all Latin people etc

      4. HG
        It makes sense that you would not care about colour or race because they are an appliance, but that is not true of all narcissists thinking correct? If I recall correctly, did you not say previous that you dating a person of color would be upsetting to your mother? Did she know of or approve of your relationship with Siobhan? Perhaps I am mistaken or took it out of context-it was some time ago. Apologies if that is the case.

      5. Narcissists may well use race, colour, religion, hair colour, wonky eye, strange scent anything at all against a victim.

  9. You know she’s an empath. I know you know it… and the reasons you wrote this article too.

    You know that all the ‘evidence’ you put forth is anecdotal at best. Yes, your analysis is dispassionate, logical, and all, but it’s still anecdotal. If we were to take the she said he said seriously, we would need to examine each individual histories and neurotypes to ascertain the validity of their statements.

    You wanted to be a part of the event, because it’s impossible to avoid seeing the joy and happiness multiplied in the social media, and by doing this you dissipate your own jealousy.

    You wanted the response from readers, knowing it’s going to be heated. Which translates into hits.

    You should consider removing this article, because you might one day receive a Royal response to it..

    1. I thought I would allow this comment through because people may need a good laugh before returning to work on Monday. Briefly :-

      1. Wrong. Did you understand the article?
      2. Did I not question the validity of certain ‘witnesses’? Oh, I did. Furthermore, the evidence is not all anecdotal and nor is it all ‘he said or she said’.
      3. Risible and incorrect.
      4. I always want my readers to respond to what I write, otherwise why write the articles? No, I did not know it would be heated and nor was it – only one person responded in an inaccurate vociferous manner, another disagreed but on an inaccurate basis, most agreed with my analysis and those who had slightly differing views articulated them in a sensible manner.
      5. Risible.

      1. Hello HG

        Love the changes you have made with your cover and profile picture.

        Sorry about the yellow blobs.

      2. I’ve read the article, yes. I see that you’ve made progress in your therapy, you’re allowing criticism, ableing yourself not to feel wounded..
        It’s not the only reason you let my comment through, isn’t it?

        No one seems to be laughing, HG. You should remove this article, and the video you’ve made with it.
        People on here don’t dare to object to you, or they go along.
        Compared to the other two articles on Weinstein and Spacey, there was plenty of factual evidence to back up, here only anecdotal, and even that is being disproved by various sources.

        I know you’ve packed your comment to the brim with little evils, I see them.

        And that’s what’s funny…

      3. 1. Wrong.
        2. Wrong.
        3. People do object and you know they do. You read often enough.
        4. Wrong as already explained.
        5. Deflecting again I see, as opposed to answering my questions.
        Back in your box.

      4. ED,

        What you stated here is not accurate. If you are the same ED that has been here before you have read comments that evidence the opposite of what you stated:

        1. “ I see that you’ve made progress in your therapy, you’re allowing criticism, ableing yourself not to feel wounded..”

        Nowhere on this blog has it been stated what the aim of the therapy is so what you say is based on an assumption of what you believe the aim is.

        2.” You should remove this article, and the video you’ve made with it.”

        That is your conclusion based on what you believe is wrong or right based on your own perception and interpretation of the post.

        3. “ People on here don’t dare to object to you, or they go along”

        There is plenty of evidence here throughout the blog that support the contrary.
        People do speak up if they do not agree with HG (me included sometimes):

        a) People have always received a respectful answer( me included) from him when presented with respect and with the solely aim of stating that their POV may disagree with his and explaining why. Being the aim to learn and understand others’ perspectives in the interaction.

        b) If people present their arguments disrespectfully and based on assumptions ( with moral values attached) made of the person delivering his/her perspective they should not be surprised of the answer they get:

        -first to be corrected about the wrong assumptions ,
        -second if personal attacks were added as well, the answer will be exactly with the same tone as theirs . If you hit first it is very likely that you will get the strike back. I think this applies to any situation not just when establishing a discussion with a narcissist but specially with one.

        If someone has underlying issues, well that is exactly what they create and get back: an issue instead of an interaction.

        4. “ …here only anecdotal, and even that is being disproved by various sources.”
        How do you know? Do you have evidence to support that?

      5. Emotional Detective

        Oh we ARE laughing, just not taking the bait of engaging for your own recognition, which is your actual goal and not that of contributing. You know full well also that people are not afraid to oppose HG and often do because he responds as he did in this article-calm and rational, as opposed to the name calling and baseless arguments you have shown in the past. Then you take your false accusations and assassinations of commenters to other social media like a child and not the cerebral you think yourself to be.

        Go ahead now, turn to social media and lash out calling me a Lieutenant to Tudor now that I’ve called you out, after originally telling everyone how fierce and ok I am. It wont bother me, but every time you mention Tudors name or anyone associated with the blog it generates interest, and they come here to see for themselves your previous incoherent rants and mud slinging. Not that we get much traffic that way because of course no one really visits your pages and thats really what causes your fury isn’t it?

      6. Wow, another great article. I find it interesting and love reading the responses. What’s odd is how one take away after reading is perceived as racist. Insert 😂😂. Reminds me of the person that became very irrate after reading the potus blog.

        I’ve been in a bubble. I had know idea she was biracial or knowledge of all the drama leading up to wedding. I saw a clip last week of reporter scolding the sister on making round to promote some book.

        H.G. shes in great company. I feel bad that Harry will become collateral damage to her disorder. He’s spoken about his struggles with depression. When the mask drops I hope he kick her butt back to the Toronto strip poles are wherever she came from.

        Ugh…

      7. Yikes! I was torn between a wince and a laugh. Then I read your response. I laughed.

      8. And?

        Deflecting again I see.

        I know what I am. You repeatedly fail to see what you are.

      9. HG, I have just realised you managed to create your own ARMY OF EMPATHS: protective, loyal and grateful, ready to attack whomever tries to challenge you in any way (not that you need anyone to defend you of course…).

        “Don’t anybody DARE touch HG, understood????!”.

        Now, that’s impressive.

      10. In fairness, it is not so much attack as express their own views about the behaviour of certain commenters – as you point out EmP I do not need anybody to defend me and whilst I do not expect it, I appreciate people’s responses. I also see how people’s learning here has enabled them to spot certain behaviours also.

      11. Very true. And the ‘protective’ reaction of your readers is perfectly understandable. Your readers love you HG.
        I personally admire you very much. You were blessed with extraordinary intelligence and I feel lucky to ‘have you in my corner’ while no one around me knows about it. You’re my best kept secret.

      12. HG, you ought to remove this post, mostly for your own sake,
        because you have a blind spot and nobody will tell you the truth..

        it doesn’t look good..

      13. “Nobody will tell you the truth.” That’s one of those statements that sets off my permanent mental alarm.

      14. Emotion Detective

        “HG, you ought to remove this post, mostly for your own sake,
        because you have a blind spot and nobody will tell you the truth..

        it doesn’t look good..”

        Talking about blind spots…..

        Yet you would not recognize truth if it slapped you, you would rewrite things to fit what your belief is in which ever moment your living in.

      15. You have to be either blind or devoid of human heart, thoroughly evil not to see she’s an empath.
        It’s OBVIOUS to everyone but a handful evil people.

      16. Or an ED OT who again fails to notice that the vast majority have arrived at the same conclusion – which is more than a handful. You keep on digging yourself deeper.

      17. Someone who loses the argument resorts to name calling.
        Unknowingly you’ve lost respect of the majority of silent empaths.
        Who is the idiot now?

      18. There is no argument to lose. You had lost before you began.
        Your second sentence is risible. If they are silent – how would you know they have been lost? Let me be clear – the comments, the e-mails I receive from readers, the comments made about you by others on the internet demonstrate two things ; my work is valued and appreciated and you are regarded as a nobody.

      19. Why is it that you feel you’re being attacked?
        More than half of commenters on your Facebook voices their concerns, and doubts about the validity of your ‘smear’.
        Here on your blog you have readers who don’t think for themselves, or are afraid to contradict you for the fear of how you respond to it.. they say one thing and think another.
        Ive a lot of respect for you and your work, and I’m sorry you feel you’re under attack.
        When in fact you attacked your own reputation. Now when people come to your blog and read this post, will hit delete.
        Empaths will.
        Any advisor, publicist, PR, lawyer concerned about your reputation would advise you to take it down like I did.

      20. 1. I do not feel I am being attacked.
        2. More than half have not voiced their concerns at all – that’s inaccurate.
        3. Utter rubbish. All my readers think for themselves – they express varying opinions and views, yes they seek my input to understand that is what people do when engaging with an expert. Nobody is afraid to contradict me – many agree with what I write, others do challenge and contradict me and when they do so, they do so (most of the time) in a respectful and coherent fashion explaining why they form an alternative view. Unlike you – you get asked repeatedly to explain the basis on which you maintain your views, but you fail to do so.
        4. Next to nobody will hit delete – the viewing numbers and comments for this particular post speak for themselves, but of course, you just make an assumption based on what you would like to happen but once again – you are wrong.
        5. You didn’t advise me to take it down, you told me to and you have no standing to do so. No, any advisor, publicist, PR or lawyer would not advise me to take it down, not at all. It has received far more praise and interest, stimulated discussion and made people think.

        You just keep making yourself look foolish.

      21. ED,

        Reputation is what other people think – and each person has their own perspective.

        It is character that makes a person, from a spiritual perspective. I’ll give you an example – President Vladimir Putin.

        Research him, and not what every person not thinking for themselves has to say.

      22. ED – as a new comer to this blog – since Feb- I will speak for me – I don’t give a shit about all the noise around siding with or against ot whatever else you may think readers or contributors on this blog are or do.

        You might have a personal vendetta or frustration or disliking of HG and his work and that is yours to deal with .

        Many of us on this blog are dealing with difficult real life shit with a narc or many narcs in our lives and this is why we are here. Many of us have found answers and gotten better , many are still struggling.

        This debate I don’t really care but I would like you to answer in a way so that us reader can comprehend your thinking without insulting me or others :

        Why should he take it down?
        Why is there consequences on his reputation?
        What benefits would there be for the whole community to have it down ?

        Just answer the few “ why” in a civilized manner without throwing rocks at anyone and I will be happy to read your answer and comprenhend your POV.
        Maybe you have an articulate reason but I was not able to get it through your responses ( I am a smart woman even if English is far from my mother tongue)

        So far I must say this site and HG work has helped me keep my sanity in an insane relationship and that is really what is bringing me here.

      23. Hey ED,
        Since I can’t think for myself I was wondering if you could teach me how to wipe my ass? Oops maybe I should have been more polite and said bum. Hmmmm. Nah, I like ass, it’s a good word for you.

      24. ED,

        I have never experienced before so evidently how the gap can be so pronounced and massive between what one person believes ( imagines) and what the reality of facts and numbers show.

        This is really getting out of proportion. I am almost( notice almost) feeling embarrassed on your behalf.

        Do you really believe on what you are saying despite facts( numbers) and evidence show the contrary?

        Just to pick one of your statements:

        “ More than half of commenters on your Facebook voices their concerns, and doubts about the validity of your ‘smear’.”

        If what you say is true and for making a statement reliable and true based on statistics ( I checked the Facebook page for Knowing the Narcissist):

        1. That will mean that of the 50,179 followers of Knowing the Narcissist 25,090 had commented against or showed their concern.

        That never happened.

        2. I had the curiosity ( I like statistics) of checking the statistics of the total of commentators on this particular post and this is what the statistics show:

        TOTAL OF COMMENTATORS: 58
        – 46 commentators ( 80%) found this post valuable and or agreed.
        Of these 46:
        27 agreed and found this post valuable(47%)
        19 found this post valuable and what was said resonated with what they think(33%)

        12 did not agree (20%) .
        Of them just 5 ( 8%) expressed their “concern” as you put it.

        So where is your “ more than half” ??? It is just as low as 8%!!! Your statement was biased and inconsistent.

        The more I read your statements the more shocked I feel evidencing this gap between what you state as “true”and the evidence of the reality based on facts and figures . Looking for explanations about this gap I found this:

        “” Delusional disorder is classified as a psychotic disorder, a disorder where a person has trouble recognizing reality. A delusion is a false belief that is based on an incorrect interpretation of reality. Delusions, like all psychotic symptoms, can occur as part of many different psychiatric disorders. But the term delusional disorder is used when delusions are the most prominent symptom.
        A person with this illness holds a false belief firmly, despite clear evidence or proof to the contrary. Delusions may involve circumstances that could occur in reality even though they are unlikely (for example, the family next door plotting to kill you). Or they may be considered “bizarre” (for example, feeling controlled by an outside force or having thoughts inserted into your head). A religious or cultural belief that is accepted by other members of the person’s community is not a delusion.”

        https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/delusional-disorder

      25. Thank you SX. You see, this is the clear evidential basis that one invites ED to advance (although of course I know that she cannot because it does not exist). It also is relevant to the lies that she posts here and elsewhere and anybody who has politely invited her to explain (with evidence) the basis of her beliefs has repeatedly been met with

        1. A failure to provide any evidential basis whatsoever;
        2. An attack on the relevant person – labelling them as a Lieutenant of mine, a racist, someone who will steal ED’s work (!) or ad hominem attacks on people with regard to their children – Indy, NarcAngel, Clarece, Twilight are but a few who have been attacked unnecessarily.
        3. You will also see the classic failure to answer the question, deflecting, blame shifting and then the lies and nonsense spilled away from this blog, as the lashing out occurs.

      26. Your welcome HG.

        Yes, it is quite evident for me to see that now.

        It was possible to present counterarguments with numbers that proved that one of her statements was inaccurate and biased to serve her own hidden agenda: to smear you.

        Unfortunately I had not been long enough here to evidence the personal attacks directed to Indy, NarcAngel , Clarence and Twilight but long enough to understand that that is such the case.I wish I had so I could counter-argue with evidence. Although I have evidenced some more of her attacks on Twitter and other plataforms.

        This presents a clear case study where the manipulations you mentioned:
        deflecting , blame shifting as well as lying are clearly detected. The role of victim is quite clear as well.

        I just hope that she looks for help to understand what she is doing.

      27. Superxena
        Your last sentence made me laugh!
        “A religious or cultural belief that is accepted by other members of the person’s community is not a delusion.”

        So no matter how off the wall and crazy a person is, they just have to find a group of others who agree with them, form a community and *presto!* theyre no longer delusional! lol!

      28. No but one always needs to remain cautious of group thinking and fast consensus. A good debate is always healthy to bring the full spectrum of colours into one question or affirmation.

        Here HG is obviously the expert and the “ group” could be perceived externally as readily accepting what he is writing and saying without fulsome debate.

        I think this is what I read through many criticisms- and that is being perceived as being afraid to disagree etc

        This blog is not a debates blog from my POV – there is articles as starters and sharing of experiences, co-help , questions and yes disagreements.

        It differs than other sites where the debate is the genesis of the blog – here we are offered a Narc POV and experience on narcissism – we may agree or disagree – it remains what the Narc is experiencing , concluding and sharing with details and logic of thought process included.

      29. In fairness, there are some topics which are not ones which really suit debate – questions about it, shared experiences and so forth, yes – but not debate as in trying to prove it incorrect because it is based on how we operate and see things – those outside of that do not have that level of involvement.

      30. My narc is Muslim and he said men can’t wear gold wedding rings cuz the gold poisons them but woman can wear them.cuz their monthly period cleans the poison from their system I never asked him what about woman past menopause or all the non Muslim men who wear gold jewelry and are still alive he’s told me so many crazy things that made me chuckle but he’s not alone in his beliefs

      31. Ugotit
        Reminds me a little of my exhusband refusing to wear a wedding ring because his mother’s church believed jewelry was a sin. He said I could wear one, though, since I wasn’t raised that way. I told him I wasn’t wearing one if he didn’t, so we had a wedding ceremony with no rings.

      32. Windstorm and Ugotit,

        We got married without wedding rings. I have been asked by other women if I was married in several occasions. They make me feel defensive. I have also been accused of not wanting to wear a ring in order to attract other men and cheat on my husband (projection).
        Most people assume that other people are just like them.

      33. Ugotit
        Re: Hes not alone in those beliefs

        Its nice he has company in his ward of the asylum.

      34. Ha,ha Windstorm. I knew someone would react to this! I actually thought on ending the quote after : …… proof to the contrary”
        but I decided to quote the whole description.

        Blame it on the source( psst if you noticed if you want to continue reading the article you have to suscribe!)
        ….let’s say then that is a group delusion??? Ha,ha…

      35. ED,

        re: “Unknowingly you’ve lost respect of the majority of silent empaths.”

        Wrong. While more and more people are coming to this blog to increase their knowledge and understanding on narcissism and they have a high regard for HG’s work, you are the one who have lost respect.
        The majority of us ignore you because it is not worth our time and energy to reply to your ridiculous remarks.

      36. ED,

        re: “Unknowingly you’ve lost respect of the majority of silent empaths.”

        Wrong. While more and more people are coming to this blog to increase their knowledge and understanding on narcissism and they have a high regard for HG’s work, you are the one who have lost respect. The majority of us ignore you because it is not worth our time and energy to reply to your ridiculous remarks.

      37. EB
        You’re thinking literally. Think “projecting” for this one and “gaslighting “ for earlier. At least we are getting real-life examples. Very important for learning.

      38. Windstorm,
        I agree that we are getting real-life examples. I think she is not delusional but manipulative and controlling. She knows exactly what she is doing – baiting. She wants to discredit HG by elliciting angry responses from him/us. Our reactions to her provoking comments will be shown to others on social media.

      39. Was at the grocery store today first time since the wedding as I suspected I counted four or five magazines already out with Meghan and harry stories.people are clearly interested .why is it you feel hg should have avoided the topic ? In what ways do you think she’s an empathy ? You keep saying he’s wrong for posting this but you haven’t given a single reason why its wrong , and you haven’t given a single reason as to why you think she’s an empathy. Do you have a argument to.put forth that explains why this should not have been published or an argument stating why Meghan is an empathy ?

      40. My narcdar went off when the engagement was announced so I guess that makes me evil.

      41. K

        Ha ha

        I am the queen of evil then, with a heart darker then HGs.

        The only way I am going to hell again, is the devil himself will have to collect me, after HGs teachings.

      42. Twilight
        Ha ha ha…this thread just keeps getting better and better. Billy Joel has it right, “I would rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun.”

      43. Windstorm

        And here I thought: No sense in planting a tree because I’ll never live to see it grown……now wheres that shovel?……

      44. WS
        Ha ha ha….I think the song “Big Shot” is about a female somatic narc. Billy Joel told Howard Stern in 2010 he wrote the song after having dinner with Mick and Bianca Jagger circa 1978.

      45. K
        I have a narc girlfriend that I swear it seems “Only A Woman” was written about!! Still fits 40 years later!

      46. WS
        After I wrote the comment about “Big Shot” I listened to that song and thought: that is about a female narc too! I think Billy J. may be a narcissist himself.

      47. K
        Odds are high that Billy Joel is one, too. Just being a performer makes him likely and many of his songs are about narcs. Narcs can all identify and understand one another and are keen observers of those around them. The best songs come from authentic knowledge.

      48. WS
        I thought it was really weird when he married his third wife, Katie Lee, who was only 4 years older than his daughter Alexa. And I think all 3 of his ex-wives are somatic narcs. Plus BJ has a serious drinking problem and never accepted responsibility for his three car accidents (OUI).

        “He later blamed bad street lighting, local wildlife, his poorly constructed Citroën and 9/11. He checked into rehab but never bought into it. “The fact is, I like to drink,” Joel told Schruers. “Sometimes too much.”- Page Six

      49. Hi K,
        Although I know very little about him, I have read that Billy Joel suffers from a Bipolar Disorder and that he does not hide it.

      50. E.B.
        That makes perfect sense.

        AADD (a blogger) wrote this after listening to Billy Joel’s classic “She’s Always A Woman”.

        “Listening to this, I wonder if he (BJ) was ever living with someone having Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) or Narcissistic Personality Disorder traits.”

        Sometimes I think personality disordered people write/invent/create/draw/paint the emotions that they can’t feel. It’s as if they are trying to experience them through their talents. Also, if they become famous or wealthy, their ability/talent is like a big “Fuck You!” to their parents or the world. I matter; look at what I created. Some of them are very driven.

      51. Hi K,

        Considering that song was written in 1977 when few people knew about narcissism, BJ must have seen this abusive behaviour coming from his girlfriend or wife.
        Sadly, many songs and also Hollywood movies romanticize abuse in intimate relationships.

        ” if they become famous or wealthy, their ability/talent is like a big “Fuck You!” to their parents or the world. I matter; look at what I created. Some of them are very driven. ”

        Yes, they are so determined to succeed… Some narcissistic parents will do anything to sabotage their Acon’s success while others will encourage them to become famous to take advantage of this success and become popular themselves.

      52. E.B.
        I agree. I watched an interview with Tonya Harding about the movie ” I, Tonya” and I think her mother was a ULN (Tonya, too). Allison Janney plays the part of Matrinarc and she reminds me of a lesser.

      53. ED

        I am in full agreement with HG

        You are so full of jealousy and envy towards him you will do anything from lovebombing him to making false statements of being his IPPS, when you have never met. All to gain some attention from his spotlight. You are so blind you don’t see how foolish and made yourself into and idiot from your own actions.

        I have not forgotten the many names you have called not only myself but of others here that have the respect of many, the respect you so greatly desire.

        You will never have the spotlight, admiration and respect HG has, he has gained this because of the truth he brings into light. Here is brutally truthful, he corrects inaccuracies about him and lets the many voice their opinion even if it goes against his. He has never denied what he is.
        You will always wade in the muck of reality while you hide in the illusion you create.

      54. Twilight, I couldn’t agree with you more! I believe HG has given her plenty of opportunities over the years, more so then I would of given her! Each time she seeks attention and it doesn’t matter that it is negative attention. I believe it’s time for HG to put this to bed and not allow her comments through anymore! It is annoying and she is disrespectful to a man that has done nothing but given us the truth! At times it is hard and it hurts so bad! But it is the truth. I wish I would of known all that I do now before I got tangled up with narcissists!

      55. Fool me 1 time

        I do agree HG has given her many opportunities, yet he has built a place where all can voice their opinions including her.
        So long as she is not attacking others here she is providing actual interactions of what one of his kind does.
        HG can handle himself and put her in her place effectively.

      56. Ha ha SN

        I would have more compassion and patience with Meghan.
        Would be interesting to hear her perspective on this article.
        I do not believe she would win a debate with HG thou.

      57. Yes, I get what you mean – as we all know here after so much time with HG – he is a big bad narc, so she might feel intimidated without proper backup;)))

      58. SN

        I don’t see HG as a big bad narc I see him as well informed and can handle any situation that comes his way.
        As far as her feeling intimidated…yes I am sure she would need back up.
        Yet even then I am sure his accuracy would show what needed to be kept out of sight and could be seen as an asset vs a threat.
        I have the utmost faith in his abilities.

      59. Hi Twilight, I believe HG IS a big bad narc (he’s an Ultra after all) and I would be terrified to get anywhere near him.

        That said, I am extremely grateful for this blog, for his work and for the fact that he made himself contactable and is regularly interacting with us, explaining, answering questions, etc.

      60. EmP
        I agree with you. It’s easy to forget the dangerous when it has not yet harmed us. Like people who live on the side of active volcanos. They think how beautiful the vegetation is, how fertile the soil is, what a wonderful view they have. They don’t think about the dangers, because they are hidden.

        Like you I respect HG and highly value what I have learned here. I love this blog and am very grateful that he runs it like he does. But then I love volcanoes too and understand the need for vigilance and safety and to always remember the unseen dangers.

      61. Windstorm, I love the volcano metaphor!
        My maternal grandmother used to live on the slopes of an (active) volcano and I would spend my summers at her house. It’s true, when you live so close to it, you tend to forget how dangerous it can be.

      62. I don’t either see him as a big bad Narc . It is like if a safecracker would come to your house to show you how to best identify, protect and get ride of potential safecrackers come to steak in your house . You would think – now that he knows that I have a safe and where it is even if he is here to teach me how to protect my property will he steal from me ? Try to brake my safe ? After alll he is a safecracker.

        So I trust HG and he has helped me a lot and still does –
        But those thoughts are normal given the context.
        No offense on you and your work HG you have helped me tremendously and I do feel «  safe «  here :))

      63. Hi SN,

        I meant ‘beyond’ Upper Greater Narcissist. You can read about it on the Fuel Matrix – Part Three article.

      64. Oh, neither do I, Twilight! It was my sarcasm. I trust Hzg knew – he seems to like using it too!

      65. Twilight, I also agree with you! However she has a pattern and it will not be long before she is attacking others in here. I know HG can handle himself, but for some on here this may perhaps trigger anxiety depending on how far they have come in their healing. If they are new and this is what they witness first, they may not come back. Sometimes sacrificing one has to be done in order to save or in this case help others. Have a good day Twilight! 😊

      66. Fool me 1 time

        So far she is keeping it contained towards just HG, and he is well aware of her past behavior and comments are being made of her actual behavior by those that have witness it. The facts will stand for themselves and if someone is triggered and understands all they have to do is voice this they will have an incredible amount of support here to help get them through it.

        She is a nobody that desires to be a somebody, and what is sad is if she actually put that energy into something constructive other then stalking HG and trying to ride his coat strings she could very well attain some kind of recognition for her work.
        Yet provides an actual example publicly that is educational for many to help recognise these behaviors.

        I also don’t believe he will just let her start attacking others, I have faith he will control the situation if it deems necessary.

        Have a wonderful day Fool me 1 time! By the way I love your picture!

      67. Twilight, I know you are right, however sometimes all this nonsense with her just gets old. That picture is of a place which has always helped me heal even as a child. I am drawn to still and run away to it when ever I possibly can. Thank you. 😘

      68. Has this same person been on here before praising hg ? She’s new to me , just curious ?

      69. Emotion detective…your name suits you. The good readers on this site are here learning to empower and become free of toxic people. Name one thing that’s more important than that. Certainly not your projections.

        Your comments are a waste of our time and take away from the objective. This is why you are being attacked. Trust me, you haven’t landed a single blow on HG. He “is what he is” as the narcs in my life love to say. He couldn’t be more appreciated here.

        You’re choosing to verbally attack an extremely well controlled Greater narcissist. It would be the last thing on my list, but knock yourself out. He enjoys it and atleast your IPPS may be left alone, for now.

      70. Oh Jess, allow me to bring you in the loop. You too Ugotit. ED has claimed she was HG’s virtual, married, IPPS. That was tweeted about all last fall. By November, her “divorce /annulment with HG was approved.”
        How does one get married to someone they never met and maintain a virtual relationship?
        (And now I know what’s headed my way…)

      71. Sometimes theres a backstory that people (especially newer to the blog) are not aware of and where they may view a person as being “attacked” it is really calling them out on previous behaviour they see being repeated and shutting it down before it escalates.

      72. No risk of getting bored when HG is involved.
        Is it a case of ‘reader losing it at one point’ or has it been like this since the beginning?

      73. Good lord all you have to do is look at the woman’s snake eyes. She clearly has the reptilian eyes.

        Shes a Narc

    2. Uh so what if he got a Royal response? What the Hell are are they gonna do about it ? Ummm . nothing. I think your reaction to the article is a wee dramatic

    3. Emotion Detective – Moira is that you again? are you a narcissist or an empath? Who cares! Don’t answer that!

      I’ve stated this before Mr. Tudor is free to write anything he wants. You are encroaching on his blog. Make yourself useful and write something worthwhile about your detection of empathy and how you practice your job, or stop bitching.

      If HG Tudor takes this article down I will lose respect for him. I fucking demand the article stay up because I want to learn from it. I request more articles like these. A LOT MORE!

      I want a 2nd and 3rd article written about Megan. Markle as a royal narcissist.

    4. Hi ED….im not here to get involved in any of the drama but i wanted to point something out and thats your credibility as a contributer. When you first started to post i enjoyed your points of view and found them interesting but somewhere along the way they changed to being oppositional then you started posting obsessional posts about your undying love for HG and thats when it became clear what was going on. Are you here to contribute or to get attention from HG? If its the latter why not get attention by contributing in a positive manner? Youre entitled to your pov but it seems to me theres more going on here than your post. It seems like youre wanting attention whether its positive or negative and youve isolated yourself from the blog so negative you now choose?
      Its never to late to start contributing in a positive way. If you are obsessed with HG then id suggest really evaluating that and trying to understand why. Is it healthy? What are you gaining by the conflict?
      Im not judging you just giving you my take on what it seems to be thats motivating you.

      1. Narc Affair, I’ll be EDs advocste and say s/he might be misunderstood. There used to be a populsr saying in Rome, Si vis pacem para bellum (If you eant peace prepare for war) – sometimes conflict can’t be avoided if one or both of the sides can’t/won’t submit and not allow their contrasting opinions to meet in the mid way.

        That said, ED sounds to me like a very agreeable person.

      2. I would invite you to look around with regard to that name and then consider again.

      3. SN

        I don’t out and out call someone a narcissist unless I am sure.

        ED is a midranger and very disillusioned and obsessed with HG.
        At the moment she is kissing up to me by liking a few of my comments. She has never done this before.
        She has in the past lashed out at me, behind my back, called me one of HGs attack dogs, made comments of me being in the twilight zone so on and so forth.

        All this lashing out came from me asking her to explain how she was HGs IPPS if they had never met on instagram. Then she erased her comment about being his IPPS. This is the only place she does not have control and can alter things to fit her reality.

        Does this sound like an agreeable person or even one you could have a sensible conversation and come to any form of agreement?

      4. Oh those were good times Twilight. You were an attack dog and I was the gullible guppy.

      5. Ha ha it was. It amazes me how the blog has evolved under HG hand, he really has created an amazing place we can feel safe and learn first hand from him on his perspective. He has so much to be proud of, yet I do miss him having the time to interact more often. Even then he does an amazing job with the many that are new and directing them to find answers and answering the many questions they have.

      6. SN
        She may well be agreeable to another like her. If you go back in the archives you will find posts where she floats theories and therapies regarding mental illness with no credible evidence and will name no sources. She was invited to discuss them with accredited people in that field and could not hold the conversation or discuss sources etc. This is dangerous because newer people to the blog may read and believe her unsubstantiated supposed medical ramblings (she calls it her research). When called on it she turned to lashing out and name calling of those people and took to social media to slander them with ridiculous accusations in order to try to damage HG and the blogs reputation which is laughable. She dared me to ask her on a date if I recall correctly and then demanded HG remove me from the blog (I cant remember what her supposed consequence was if he did not but there was a proviso of sorts (Painted black). Also during one of the live streams when I asked a question she noted she was pleased to have it confirmed that he and I were not the same person and took to social media to say I was okay and fierce (painted white). These types of actions are not advancing an opinion or entering into educational information and civilized debate, but the bullying and delusion of a narcissist unaware of what they are.

      7. Her choice, NA! Maybe she was too busy in life or maybe her comments got edited sometimes.

      8. Narc Angel

        You know what they say when you don’t speak to or about a narcissist?

        They disappear

        I know you get what I am saying and will not take offense.

      9. Twilight
        Oh I know and no offense taken. Im just indulging them with responses until they cause us to hit 10 MILLION. The very thing they dont want and are jealous of. The irony amuses me.

      10. SN,
        ”… or maybe her comments got edited sometimes.” Well, that was an impertinent wild assumption. Edited by who?

      11. SuperXena
        Some of her own posts are proof alone that they are not edited.

      12. I agree, NA – some are not. Even most! But why would I complain, it’s HG:s choice what he publishes here, right?

      13. NarcAngel,
        Thank you for clarifying. Although I have not witnessed all of ED’s prior comments , for me it is more than enough evidence the false statements she recently wrote that were clearly demonstrated as false with facts and figures. That speaks volumes to me.

        Perhaps I misunderstood what SN wrote but reading between the lines her statement was more like a covert ,coward and serious accusation implying that “someone”(?) edited or changed the contents of ED ‘s comments before posting them to make her appear in a certain way.

        Something that I personally find very hard to believe.

        I see it as an ungrounded and very serious accusation (directed towards the moderator of this site ?) which in itself speaks volumes about her underlying aim . It becomes quite evident and cristal clear to me:
        It has become personal to her. Something that lies completely outside the aim of this site and it is not the right forum of doing it.

      14. The only time comments are edited is to remove names, e-mail addresses, links to certain things and anything else that may cause a problem.

      15. Yes, indeed – a link disappeared.

        Next time I will be taking printscreens!

      16. Superxena
        I agree. HG may not post comments he feels are inappropriate (and we see enough offense ones to know he lets most through 😄), but he’s above altering our comments to fit some personal agenda. That’s not Greater behavior.

      17. Windstorm,
        Exactly: “ That’s not Greater behavior.”
        You couldn’t have expressed it better. There is no need. I know you are not friends with latin but I like to quote in latin sometimes:
        “res ipsa loquitur “(Latin for “the thing speaks for itself”)

      18. Oh come on SN! Go straight to the point instead of going in circles( clear example of deflecting) with covert accusations( clear example of character assassination ).Afraid of assuming accountability?
        Your comments are certainly providing us with real examples of manipulative strategies. By all means, keep on.

      19. Oh, yes! In my family, among friends, bosses – I am a magnet probably, and it’s OK, we cooperate very well.

      20. Twilight – who would count? This is a country of psychopaths! So, I don’t know 20 or so.

      21. Windstorm,

        Thank you for your comforting words about English grammar. When you have a language as your first you do not usually know by heart the grammar rules of your own language unless of course in case of a teacher ( not even all perhaps?) as you are.

        When you study it as a second or third language you ( usually) learn grammar rules. There is no option. Add to this that I tend to be perfectionist sometimes due perhaps to the fact that I was brought up within a very competitive family environment.

        “The only person I’d think who can edit anything here on the blog is HG. He has said that he doesn’t allow all comments (including from this person) through. I can’t imagine him blocking any comments, though, that actually were answering an asked question in a logical, non-abusive manner.”

        I completely agree with that.

      22. I would not know for sure, SX!

        Also, grammar is less important than meanings and the flow of communication, in my opinion.

      23. SN,
        “ I would not know for sure, SX!”

        That does not answer my question .

        “ … or maybe her comments got edited sometimes.”

        My clear question to you is : who are you implying has edited ED’s comments?

      24. Ahhh…the old drop and run……I am ever amazed and amused by the irony and sudden ability of some to “move on” when they find themselves without a leg to stand on.

      25. NA,

        I have no proof save for my emails to HG, where I tell him what he did and why it was no good!

      26. Superxena
        Don’t worry about not using whom, most of the native English speakers don’t either. I notice incorrect grammar, but that’s the teacher in me. It pains me to occasionally use it myself, but where I live someone who always used correct grammar would make other people nervous. Something common here that absolutely gets on my nerves is “Me, Her and Him” as a subject, as in “Me and Tommy went to the store.”

        The only person I’d think who can edit anything here on the blog is HG. He has said that he doesn’t allow all comments (including from this person) through. I can’t imagine him blocking any comments, though, that actually were answering an asked question in a logical, non-abusive manner.

      27. I have been thinking about all of these ED posts this morning and I think we’re all in agreement that this Person enjoys creating controversy. It has been going on long enough with numerous examples over the past few years. My thought is, shouldn’t we be implementing HG’s no contact rule with this individual? Responding is only adding more fuel to the fire. Pun intended. Just to be clear, I am included in the “we.”

      28. That is correct and for the most part I do so. I occasionally allow the odd comment in order to enable readers to assess the dynamic as a working example.
        One can of course respond with straight forward and logical questioning of ED, but of course, you will not receive a straightforward or logical answer, if at all.

      29. Susan
        I agree about the no contact and have suggested it previously. She is addressed on occasion because newer people to the blog do not know the backstory and it may appear she is being bullied (which is not the case but her desired outcome). She fails to realize that although she is trying to harm the blog laughable) in her pursuit for attention, that she is really only helping it by driving up the numbers in both her comments and the responses of others.

      30. NA, I can understand what you are saying. I did see posts from people that have been around for a while still trying to make some type of impact on her with their words when it’s proven to be futile. Me included. Mine are more of a defensive attack than words of wisdom or scrutiny. It just gets old after a while especially when there’s no hope for change. I will admit though that I find her trying to go up against HG quite entertaining! Lol

      31. Hi SN…i dont know ED and can only go by the posts ive seen and theres seems to be more going on than the actual topic of meghan being an empath and the conflict that resulted. The fact there were some strange posts about her undying love and devotion towards HG and now oppositional posts is a red flag for some form of attention. I could be wrong but thats what it looks like.

      32. My guess is that she believed she would be plucked from obscurity and become hgs primary source in real life and became angry this didn’t happen. Reality testing is an important therapy for those having thought and psychotic disorders and is useful here on this blog feedback from others is always good no matter what condition someone is dealing with

  10. I didn’t watch the wedding just video of her coming down the aisle and exchanging vows, I know her choice of dress is limited because theres a conservative covered up expectancy but the dress was hideous i.know a lot of people love it’s simplicity but I hated it but I also hated Kate and Diana’s dress too for different reasons hated her hair too I prefer hair down but if worn up it would have looked better high up on her head rather than in the back but with loose strands looked liked a hairstyle for a beach wedding , she’s pretty though so she can get away with anything and still look good.i couldn’t help noticing the permasmile on her face and how remarkably similar her smile is to every single picture or video I’ve ever seen of Casey Anthony smile, I’m going to rename it the sociopathic smile

  11. Of course its the media producing the photos and they can decide which are released but i couldnt help notice some very angry looking ones of the queen, camilla and an unimpressed one of kate middleton. The queen in particular looked furious. If these pics speak the truth one can only guess what has gone on behind the scenes. Im sure the queen is very concerned. At her age all the drama surrounding rmm would not be good for her. Prince philip was looking at her concerned. It goes to show it doesnt matter how prestigious or wealthy you are every family can have their drama and dysfunction.
    I had to chuckle over some pics of meghans family going to burger king and wearing the hats. They enjoyed the big day their own way.
    For years ive felt a very deep guilt and sadness over being estranged from my brother and this whole wedding and leading up to it has cleared me of that. I dont like to see other families torn apart like meghans but it shows me its out there and to stop letting my mothers guilt make me feel awful. I dont talk to him for a very good reason and thats all that matters.

  12. I just noticed the EVIL has changed to: Knowing the Narcissist HG Tudor, I like it, very sexy!

      1. I watched the lifetime movie because I read this Damn posts. Usually, my attention span would not allow me to give it my undivided attention. So, with popcorn in tow I was able to get through the 2 hours or so.

        The bracelet according to the show was a gift from Harry.

        The way she acted after he did the press release disclosing their involvement was a bit narcish..and entertaining when you ran to the airport to get her Prince.

        I can see why the mother wasn’t involved in the planning of the wedding.

        It was reported that Meghan and Harry had offered to pay for wedding. She very well may have saved enough living like a college student.

        I actually think she was the Executive Fucking Producer. She was able to slam her brother who was apparently arrested for abusing his wife, mention the dad and other family members trying to sell her story.(victim)

        The story about some guy calling her mom the n* word in Hollywood, Ca likely but highly unlikely and how devasted she was. Seriously…

        Quit her job, while proclaiming she want to maintain her independence. Please…

        I think she is pregnant and I think Harry will be string enough to walk away from the craziness. There’s apart when he mentioned how his mom wasn’t a saint and how she was all over the place.

        That’s what happens when you bring in a child to have babies for Prince Charles and Carmilla.

        Royal Drama

      2. Yolo,

        I think the public would frown upon a princess in TV shows where she’s involved with on-stage lovers etc.

        Maybe she needs some time to settle in for the new life role and will think of something more suit-able for her new occupation;)

      3. Also, CG Jung once wisely said, “Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future”

        I send my best wishes to RMM and hope she does well on her new life path.

        My personality is called “Advocate”, if she stumbles upon this post then I suppose she could hire me for that. HG as well, of course!

    1. Yes, lovely professional design, Hg, though you know we’re all holding out for the day the ‘about the author’ page features more than your sleek silhouette…

      On labeling people narcissists, it is an ethical violation for psychologists, but as you are not, it is your considered opinion – which you are certainly entitled to – and in your case, in my opinion, even more than entitled to.. I will be curious to read further elucidating articles. Merci.

      1. Ha ha.

        Precisely, I am not bound by ethics but I do adopt a considered and reasoned approach which brings its own weight to the work.

      1. HG, can a narcissist start the devaluation but marry this person despite the fact? For exampe a narc wants his/her partner’s money, position, status so much that despite the fact narc already knows her/his partner isn’t “the one” and the infautation stage is over, he’she decides to get married for all those goods he/she wants to possess through the marriage? Is it something all 3 schools of narcissists could do?

      1. NarcAngel,
        True. Getting pregnant quickly to bind their partner is the first thing most social climbers do. I think she will not risk devaluing him and ruining the relationship before at least one child is born.

      2. Getting to breed and produce Royalty for the World to see. Yes, she will want that little mirror to reflect back to her.

        On a side note, I was reflecting on this article’s content. On numerous occasions HG questions the validity of the quotes made by sources such as her childhood friend of 30 years and her sister. He does show both sides as to why their statements have merit, but also why they could also feel betrayed by Meghan and possibly smearing her. He also points out a 14 bullet point list on her behaviors both professionally and personally that display highly narcissistic traits. But that’s as far as it goes. He doesn’t emphatically state Meghan has full blown NPD. It is as always on a spectrum unique to each individual. However the statement by Miss Priddy including how calculated Meghan is with handling people and relationships and her having a shutdown mechanism when she decides someone is not to be part of her life anymore is most telling.

        On a side note, I was reflecting on this article and the comments.
        Harry may well have his hands full in a few years, but maybe she is higher on the spectrum but not sadistic? Maybe he won’t end up a broken shell of a man looking up HG in 5 years to figure out what the hell happened. As the article closes with the wedding day creating the Royal Narcissist, we all get to wait and see how this plays out. HG gave an outline of what to watch for and we will know first hand the whys and how if the tabloids explode with upcoming strife.

      3. I know something of Prince Harry and there as I watched this relationship unfold (one could not miss it, it has been plastered everywhere) I thought it would make for an interesting addition to the A Very series.
        Plus, all of the other A Very articles had been about men so it was good to choose a female. People had also asked about RMM too.

    1. E.B. and HG
      I don’t foresee her giving up her position as a Dutchess and once devaluation does commence, she WILL be on the hunt for positive fuel. She will have to do some James Bond type shit to keep her infidelity on the DL living in the fish bowl that is royal life. I see lotsa scandal in the future. Would she be content in giving up the royal part of her facade now that she has achieved that goal and move on to the next chapter when Harry gets stale?

      1. From what you all write here (as I haven’t looked into many celebrities lives and can only say what I instinctively feel about them), RMM seems overly ambitious, broken by her family, and wanting to prove something to the world at large.

        If this is only for personal gain and self-esteem uplifting then SN does not approve, definitely! (And the world said, “Oh!”;)

      2. Hi Miranda,

        I agree. Now that she is well-known, she will definitely get plenty of fuel from NISSs and TSs than she used to. Since she feels entitled and laws do not apply to her, she will look for positive fuel from new IPSSs when Harry’s goes stale. She will not want to give up her new role as a ‘respectable member of the Royal Family’ (façade management, residual benefits).

      3. RMM always bothered me for some reason but I never knew why. I didn’t think about her being a narcissist until I saw this picture of her and then paid attention to the staring. Creepy…

      4. No kidding! Right now she’s staring as the Smitten Kitten. Just wait until she’s glaring when furious.

      5. I am sure she will make Kate look bad. SHe seems to have no patience for non-sense and watch if the 2 brothers are slowly drifting apart.

  13. I noticed though that she was obviously able to cope with Harry inviting both of his main exes to the wedding. A possible sign of maturity I thought on both their parts, and not something easily achieved by a Narc. What do you think HG?

    1. Given he was marrying her and not them and there were hundreds of guests it wasn’t really an issue.

      1. HG

        My thought was that RMM would love having them there to witness in person her acheiving what they could not, and rubbing it in their faces, all the while appearing graceful and mature which only adds to the facade. What better way for a narc to say: I am superior you you- take that bitches.

      2. NarcAngel I was thinking the same thing! Something like naa naa na boo boo stick your head in doo doo

      3. Miranda B

        Haha youre too kind. More like: Im a Royal Brit so stick your head in shit.

      4. If it were me getting married and my future husband’s ex’s were invited, I would call it off.

        If any of them showed up on my wedding day, I would walk out.

        She is clearly a Narcissist.

      5. I think it depends on the people in question – maybe they were nice and kind enough? I don’t even know who it was so that’s only “food for thought”, if you will.

      6. Hi SN,

        Definitely, whatever works for the people in question.

        I just meant that I personally do not share. I would find it disrespectful to me and therefore, unacceptable.

        People who aren’t me may find this acceptable somehow.

      7. Kate, what do you consider sharing? Meeting other people and talking to them?

        It’s oversharing that has potential for damage, in my opinion.

      8. Hi SN,

        I just saw your message to me.

        What I meant by “sharing” is sharing a man with another woman. I do not do that.

      9. Wouldn’t there be a bit of fuel for her ? Like I got him and you got dumped ? I am superior ?

      10. Hi omj….in chelsea’s case she ended it with harry due to the stress of the media or at least thats what i had read so it wasnt a situation where she lost out. She had made the decision. Theyre still close friends but i can see that ending with meghan in the picture. If she is a narc im sure a lot will change in his relationships with others. If hes also a narc its hard to say he may secretly end up reigniting a relationship if and when things take a downward turn.
        Cressy is an aspiring actress so i could see her cozying up to meghan seeing they have that in common thats if meghan allows it which im doubting. If meghans a narc then im sure she will be doing some housecleaning in harrys friendship dept.

  14. Moira,

    when I read your comments on racism, HG’s expertise and the lack of footnotes I thought – this is a blog, not dissertation, and there is something called freedom of expression. This is a vault of information and it is up to a reader to draw conclusions for their own life.

    1. SN,

      This is the only place I could reply. I am not your sure how the public would respond to a princesses kissing another guy on tv as part of her job.

      Based on the show, I can’t really recall but; I think she quit her job before he proposed. She’s was adamant about maintaining her independence and not being a stay at home mother like Diana. Not the exact words but similar. I am aware that the show may have exaggerated in some areas and left out relevant parts.

      In the POTUS blog HG. Noted some behaviors to look for Deflecting, rewriting history, throwing people under the bus, Lies, Not being accountable for his actions. The wall is symbolic to number 45 and has nothing to do with protecting the borders. I wish he’d listed behaviour to lool for in MEN. Other than the obvious we ones we learned via his literature and blog.

      I hope it works for out for them. The quote is very true “every saint has a past and dinner a future. ”

      She’s from California and her behavior is consistent with most people here. Hopefully, my comment on this post.

      Well wished to Royal Dutchess Diva

      My opinion is subject to change.😊 smiley face for H.G.

  15. Thank you HG, I’ve had a very uneasy feeling about Meaghan for some time. Heartache ahead for Harry I feel. When I read this it all made sense. Cheers

    1. Julie, I’m so happy to hear you say that, I had an extremely uneasy feeling about her when I saw their engagement interview. I knew nothing about her at that time. When the interview was over I felt very strongly that I did not like her. Yesterday the news media gushed over her, (which is to be expected because who would have the balls to say any different) and it was so hard for me to watch and listen to. On US magazine here in the USA, she is on the cover and it says under her picture, “I’m going to be more than just a wife!” And I thought to myself, I’m sure you will be, they’d better buckle up! Thanks for sharing.

  16. This article and series of posts have been so enlightening and educational to read.

    Especially WiserNow – Thank-you for the best belly laugh I’ve had all week (and in a while, needless to say):

    “What The Hell Station”!! Toot Toot!’

    I read this article, and enjoyed it very much, not to treat the subject of someone’s *potential* narcissism lightly but as much as it often does, reading about celebrity/royal issues takes one out of their own gloom and doom.
    I don’t read the news/do cable TV/do social media much these days so it’s nice, but telling, when I have to come to Narcsite to get international news along with the latest on narcissism. (Yep I live under a rock at times and like it that way.)
    But we here will never live under a rock again when it comes to Narcississm – thanks HG!

    P.S. I know how this will sound to some but I don’t care…educationally speaking; I know how to do formal research and present a balanced argument and all that (all of which flies out the door often, in the heat of the moment), but I realize that here, on HG’s blog, I also get an education about arguing effectively. I don’t have many real life examples of that myself – and having been around a significant number of narcissists (especially while growing up) I now know why.
    To think I had to come to a narcissist’s blog to see excellent examples of how to fight fair… (and some really good examples of how not to fight fair – but *not* by the narcissist)…boggles the mind when you think about it…

    1. Hi WhoCares,

      You’re very welcome, and thank you for your comment. I’m glad you had a laugh out of my silly humour 😀

      I know what you mean about fighting fair and not fighting fair. In regular social media and other blogs, there are times I’ve seen trolling and fighting that descends into ugly verbal stoushes and displays of unrestrained ignorance. The atmosphere then becomes uncomfortable and degenerates into a mess.

      It’s refreshing to see the way HG replies to everyone’s comments here with patience, respect and measured consideration, even when the comments are irrelevant, off on a tangent or just plain wrong.

      It must be very difficult to moderate so many comments with highly variable opinions and still keep things running smoothly and intelligently and in an engaging way. I agree with you that HG does an excellent job of it.

      1. I’ve never thought of you as Evil anyway! New logo is super classy in the way it includes your fire signature. The minions came through for you this time in a big way! haha

      2. I suspect increasing pressure on you to come out the closet. Not many people gain in such popularity and succeed at remaining anonymous.

      3. Hi WiserNow,

        Thanks for your reply. Regarding the comments elsewhere, on other blogs and articles, I agree with you wholeheartedly – I rarely read the comments section on anything, anywhere on the internet (only the article itself) because, in so many cases it just gets ugly and leaves my heart feeling heavy.

        And I agree:

        “It must be very difficult to moderate so many comments with highly variable opinions and still keep things running smoothly and intelligently and in an engaging way. I agree with you that HG does an excellent job of it.”

        He does do an excellent job…nevermind how often his patience must get tested but often I wonder what gets sore first; his eyes or his posterior?

      4. I hang from the ceiling when moderating – a la Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible

      5. I’d probably have to as well! Or like John Lennon when they recorded A Day In The Life.

      6. You’re welcome WhoCares. I agree with you about the comments section on many other websites. In contrast, I find the comments here just as educational and interesting as HG’s posts most of the time.

        And yes, I often wonder how HG manages to moderate all the many comments. It’s a huge job for one person.

      7. Ugly out there – I went last night to browse on other social media on the recent HG ‘s posts and I was a bit shocked to say the truth. I like my place here better – I feel safer and I feel better when I come here for answers – those other media would get me very Angry and I have enough anger as it is .

      8. OMJ
        I have read comments, similar to yours, a few times here. I have never felt unsafe on narcsite and, although there are strong sentiments and differences of opinion, the vast majority of people behave themselves and are respectful here.

      9. Hi Omj,

        I was wondering if you could tell me what social media sites you have seen comments about HG’s blog. I am inexperienced and unknowledgeable, and a little embarrassed to admit it, but would appreciate your help.

        Thank you so much!

      10. Kate .. the regular ones – fb there is a page and you tube videos too. Hope this helps !

      11. Thanks, OMj,

        I appreciate your answer. I am wondering if people read my comments on this blog anywhere other than on this blog? I am starting to think that I should not be commenting. I thought that we were all anonymous on here. Are we??

      12. Hi SN,

        Thank you for that tip! I am admittedly “late to the party” (internet, technology, etc) and a little paranoid because of that, so are there good reasons for me to be concerned because of my ignorance with it all.

        Maybe I shouldn’t post any comments anymore? I don’t know if they are linked to me. I thought that I am anonymous on this site.

        I don’t know what Quora is and don’t want to sign up for it because I don’t know how extensive their prying is.

        For that matter, I don’t know about this site, either.

        It looks like the YouTube videos are commented on the same way as we do on this blog.

        I don’t know anything about people talking about HG and / or his blog,videos, books, etc on facebook. I hate facebook.

        I do not participate in social media and this is the only blog that I have ever looked at, much less commented on. Back in the “Good Old Days”, we talked to each other face-to-face, spoke on the phone or left little paper notes (endearing).

        HG, are we anonymous on here?

        Who is commenting on your work on the internet and what are they saying (for myself and others who are “late to the party”), please??

      13. Thank you, HG!!!

        I do enjoy contributing on your blog and the ability to express myself. Anonymity is important. Some paranoia is healthy (and normal for victims), in my opinion.

      14. Hi Kate,

        Quora links with Facebook or Google Accounts. I found a lot of interesting information there (HG also has an account)

        A lot of educated people writing there and responding to questions.

        My “favorite” one was “Can you make me cry with one sentence”

        As for the safety of this page – it is up to those who post, what they share.

        Also, I may have been born later but am generally rather Old Date as well.

        All the best!

      15. I miss the “Good Old Days – no GPS on your car so you really are free. FREE television! No annoying people on cellphones with their noise pollution – because them talking is not what other people want to have to listen to (consideration). People used to look at one another and say “hello” instead of slowly going blind by staring at some little screen and no eye contact. I’d rather be in a beautiful open place with a person.

        This internet is annoying. I just don’t know if I should stop writing on here, then. It is freeing to post my silly comments. I don’t know if others find them informative or irritating or amusing or sad. I don’t want to get in trouble, either. I guess that I don’t want to hurt people’s feelings after they have hurt mine, do I?

        Google sucks because it marks your steps when you carry the phone or whatever else. Why are they so damn nosy and why is it allowed??. And if Quora links to Google then… What about this site? Does it have cookies tracking us? Uggggg

        Is this anonymous or not?? HG said it was. HG, am I supposed to be getting concerned??? My heart is beating like a little rabbit!

      16. Kate
        I passed up On Quora, too. Anything that asks me to agree to accepting cookies to track me spooks me off.

        You’re probably not as paranoid as I am, but in addition to not using my real name, I made up a new email account and PayPal under an alias with fictitious address. I’d advise that if youre on other websites.

        I do sometimes worry about someone I know identifying me here from my comments. I have often used family narcs as examples and that’s probably a violation of their privacy. If I ever was outed I guess I’d just claim insanity (shouldn’t be hard) and take my smearing as just punishment for not thinking enough about others feelings.

      17. I don’t know if it is a violation of someone’s privacy if they are not named. Help, HG??

        People don’t pay enough attention to me and what has happened to me to know who I am. No one wanted to be bothered with a single mother. People have been ignoring me (not totally) for decades, just showing up to fulfill an obligation on holidays etc. I don’t know. Do you think that I have something to concern myself with? I have no way of knowing if my delightful sister would read this. She is too busy with her important life to think about me or anyone else, except her charming husband and maintaining those facade people, etc. I do not think she would read this blog, in my opinion. She is VERY important. Running from here to there and everywhere and calling everyone and whatever else self-important people do besides thinking smugly how smart they are.

      18. I know what you mean OMJ. I read the comments on those kinds of blogs and a little part of me wants to add my voice in to offer support if someone’s being targeted or to add a positive viewpoint (as though I can “fix” it LOL *eye-roll*). But then, the greater part of me says “stay away”! All that drama and anger and useless mud-slinging is just not worth it.

        Yes, it’s much, much better here. This is a haven from all that chest-beating out there.

      19. Oh, yes! I admire HG for that too!

        Many Polish comment sections are just useless – say the wrong thing, and people from all over the internet jump on “you” with a bunch of swearwords, and “hard truths” to digest.

        “Before I had internet, I never suspected so many people of being idiots.”
        Stanislaw Lem, one of our best writers

      20. SN
        Good quote! If my favorite American humorist/writer, Mark Twain, were alive now, it’s the sort of thing he’d have said!

      21. “I hang from the ceiling when moderating – a la Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible.”

        Hahaha – awesome.

        The eyes then.

        P.S. That is so much cooler than my mental image of you sitting on a yoga ball. (Not to be diss’n yoga.)

        Do you ever do anything ‘uncool’ HG?
        (Just poking fun; and the cool factor is a hit with many of course.)

      22. I’m sure that even Morris dance is cool when HG dances it!

        How about dancing like the Egyptian?

      23. Damn you HG. Morris dancing?

        Seriously. I know what that is without googling it and it isn’t uncool in my book. (I’ve been to several festivals where part of the entertainment was Morris dancing.)

        Hmm. You’ll have to try harder to be uncool. Your Tom Cuise comment was lower on the coolness scale – although that’s only cause TC was never in my book of cool for long…

    2. I was thinking the same : 2 answers one to Rob and one to Moira I am keeping in files for future argumentative response both for work and personal. So there is learning beyond the learning or the core learning objectives.

  17. A bit of royal trivia and no googling allowed…what is prince harrys last name… first correct answer wins a years supply of cadbury chocolate 😄

    1. I may go and research but I wouldn’t say. I know somebody who works in the factory – I can get some anyway!

    2. He doesn’t have a last name. At least not like most people do. It’s like a bunch of middle names and then a title or something I can’t remember. Or something like that. Okay… now I’m going to google it.

  18. Excellent! If the shoe fits- 👠… she seems trashy.
    And your research backs up my intuitive sense of her -And I was barely paying attention to the whole situation.
    BIG mistake Harry. We apologize in advance UK. We’re (Trashy USA)-are releasing yet another popular culture /personality cult narcissist to poison the world

    Also re- RMM- shallow attractiveness-wise she is ‘dating down’ so she will have the upper hand in this.. somatic …and thus will be able to keep him hooked for quite some time I’m sure.
    sadly I foresee a tragic end somehow again…Unless Harry wises up and finds himself a genuine and truly nice woman. But Harry being an empath would be so embarrassed to divorce her if he figures her out within a few months and realizes his mistake…When he catches her with the footman

    1. I also thought she seemed fake and controlling in the engagement video but I thought and still think that the pressure to be perfect – with the possibility to be criticized by both the Royals and the world could have someone being nervous and appear fake.

      When you are born in free country and you go into a golden jail very regulated and prescribed environment – there is a cultural shock- new tacit codes etc
      That was my interpretation at the time.

      HG- how do you think being criticize can or will affect her in the future ? What should we look for that would further confirm ( or infirm) her narcissism ?

      1. When wounded she will respond like any narcissist does.
        In terms of what to look for, the behaviours written about on this blog.

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  20. Since you are the only one who know the answer, are you going to let us know where RMM, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and Oscar Pistorius in the fuel matrix are, HG?

  21. I noticed during the ceremony that the only time she smiled broadly (showing teeth) was when the pastor said “there is power in love. do not underestimate it.”

    1. Hi Odette,
      Although I found the pastor’s sermon annoying and tiring to the point that I almost feel asleep, I heard that part too and saw how she ‘reacted’ to it.

    2. I haven’t seen the ceremony, but I think RMM has a good core/ heart, so maybe she really loves Harry (as in the feeling in her heart) and counts on it saving their life together from all the gossipers and provocators she is bound to meet as a princess.

  22. Wow she really does “stare” at him in many pictures. Scary. Reminds me of my own wedding 😨😈 thanks for this HG!

    1. Yet, I heard the reporters say again and again how Harry and Meghan looked so lovingly and adoringly to each other and it was almost like they were the only 2 people in the church.
      Clearly, Harry was moved, even tearing up a couple of times. So after yesterday, I do not doubt he is 100% in love and looking at this as a true lifetime commitment. So were her “stares” back mirroring that emotion if she doesn’t really feel it?

      1. Hi Clarece,
        I watched yesterday and I too felt Prince (now a Duke?) Harry’s love in his eyes and little actions toward the Now Duchess Meghan. Her look back was quite intense though the one side smile (microexpression) did look a little like the “cat that ate the bird”. Compare this look to her marriage proposal on Suits. Same look. I was so sad when I saw it. It meant HG was spot on….

        Hi HG,
        Very nicely broken down, to the detail. I didn’t want to believe you, honestly. There is so much sadness in the world and I wanted this to represent a moment of goodness and progression in the world, somewhere. And, I also know you have a very keen eye here and in other analyses you have made. You have successfully put me on guard for a long time and every detail is scrutinized. Romance…bah!

        Drinking my rose infused lemonade with fruit tarts…but can’t wash the sour taste of humanity out.

        It’s cool, though. Switching to something stronger soon.

      2. Definite infatuation. Everything but the two of you fades away.. It’s not normal and quite addictive.

      3. The stare is comprised of being awe, love, lust, and fear…Is it Harry’s love she’s mirroring back? Who knows…narc or not imagine the pressure the mask would have slipped by now. I think that’s she’s what society perceive as narcissism. Not the evil we have all come to know so well from HG and pur prior engagement with narcs.

        Unless, shes is the female version of H.G. 😉

    2. I didn not watch the wedding but saw the pictures in the newspaper. Her “stare” looked like she was trying to hypnotise him.

    3. After reading this piece on rmm i went back and looked for the described long stares and her mannerisms in the engagement interview and i do see it but its difficult to know bc shes an actress by trade. How much is natural emotion mixed with acting vs the narc facade if thats what it is?
      Something was unsettling to me last night after watching a vid on rmm and how shes been caught out on some lies by private investigators. This almost lead to the queen postponing the wedding. A big one was the fact she said she knew nothing or little about prince harry. First off who wouldnt know something about him? That in itself seems fishy but what was unsettling is her friend said as a teen she had posters of him on her wall claiming she wanted to marry him.
      As stated by HG shes had a fascination with princess di from a young age and studied her and was claimed to have said after she died she wanted to be the next princess di.
      There were some other lies she was caught in as well. It definitely is a huge red flag. Why lie about not knowing someone when youve had a huge crush on them? More like obsession. Unless youre hiding something. Seems suspicious.

      1. Your observations are interesting Narc Affair. I watched the wedding ceremony with HG’s article in mind and what i felt was that the couple is approaching their union in very different ways.

        I got the impression that Harry’s smiles indicated his getting married was a new, exciting and also daunting step to take. Also, his gestures towards Meghan (holding her hand, turning towards her when seated and looking at her, talking to her and saying reassuring things) aimed to support her and help her get through the day and calm her nerves.

        Meghan smiled throughout also, but I felt that her smiles were not strongly directed towards Harry as her new husband. I got the impression she was smiling because it was an “achievement” for her and also to create an outwardly “happy” demeanour.

        I also found the constant hand-holding distracting and indicative of a couple that communicate with each other most strongly through physical contact.

        It was also telling that when exchanging rings, at the point when Harry was placing the ring on Meghan’s finger, her other hand was close to his and it looked like she wanted to guide his hand in putting the ring on her finger. In fact, in the last moments when the ring was halfway on her finger, she actually pushed the ring with her finger as he was placing it on. This gave me the impression she was slightly impatient with him and felt the need to override him in getting the ring on. See here:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oNOl_C_Bg0

        These gestures are very small and seem like they’re hardly worth mentioning. To a casual observer, it may seem over-the-top to analyse such actions, especially since they are made in such a highly charged situation. However, when observing behaviours in an emotionally charged context, you learn to be watchful and sensitive and use instinct and gut reactions to try and ascertain the truth. It may not strike you as important at the time and it may very well turn out that you were being over-cautious, but by observing and remembering such actions and the impressions they gave you, it can help spark recognition at a later time.

      2. Wow, nice observations WN! You made me want to watch and observe as well!

  23. Wasn’t aware off this Royal wedding. But very interesting analysis .

    (I hope my comment will make it , when I hit send it disappears)

    1. Id read just before meghan met harry she was dating a male porn star. She definitely has a seedy side…stripping…porn stars??
      Prince harry has a wild side too with his naked groping party pics etc. I can in a way see how theyd attract one another.

      1. E.B. I remember him saying on another post it’s The Cherries. (Bournemouth) right?

    1. Every time a Chelsea or a Cherries fan attends a game he books 2 seats.
      One to sit in, the other to throw when the fighting starts.

  24. H.G. Your article is the only thing about this wedding that I’ve given more than a second glance. As usual, it is very well written. Twenty hours of research and three hours of writing. It shows.

    Anyway, I hope a prenup exists in this marriage. Also, I almost want to say at one time, Harry considered passing if he had the chance to be King or give up his royal status. I could be wrong, but wonder what RMM would do if he did that. Joke’s on her if that happens, lol.

    Smh regarding the offside stuff. Narc Angel is as hilarious as ever, though.

    Have fun watching FA.

      1. You are welcome H.G. In more important news, yay for Chelsea winning the FA Cup.

    1. I heard today 1jaded1 that there is no prenup. They said that they are not popular in the UK.. not sure how true that is. ?

  25. All these comments are very interesting. Since reading HG’s post, I’ve been reflecting on the information about RMM, as well as on the royals in general. It’s very interesting in relation to the topic of narcissism.

    I was thinking that Charles definitely shows traits of narcissism. Knowing how narcs operate, Charles would probably regard his sons as either the golden child or the scapegoat and would have brought them up that way behind closed doors. Due to the death of their mother as well as growing up in the public eye, both boys had traumatic childhoods. However, I would say that Harry is more likely to have been “conditioned” as the scapegoat of the two. He looks different from Charles with his signature red hair, he is more like Diana in character and mannerisms, and there are also the persistent rumours regarding his true father, which in all likelihood, Charles wouldn’t be happy about.

    During his formative teenage years, he didn’t have his mother to counteract the influence of his father and the rest of the royal family, so it could be that the narcissistic influences around him were not greatly challenged by other more rounded and validating influences. He grew up with his older brother to look up to and may very well see William as a role model. Now that William is settled with a family and children, perhaps Harry sees this as the natural progression that he should also follow.

    Also, Harry’s reputation as a “party-prince” and the extroverted and “exuberant” way he behaved when younger is interesting. His partying ways were splashed across newspapers as “scandalous” and they shaped the way the world viewed him. This doesn’t really strike me as the way a narcissist would behave. Narcissists are generally very protective of the image they’re sending out to the world and they’re willing to “create” a positive facade. They work hard to “appear” superior and respectable. It’s a funny kind of paradox that even though Harry (and Diana before him) has a tendency to “let it all hang out”, this has actually endeared him to the public rather than damaged his reputation. Collectively, the public isn’t stupid and on the whole, people can tell when someone is authentic. I believe it’s the authenticity that people actually admire and respect because it is trustworthy.

    These are just my views, but it makes me think that Harry is not a narcissist.

    It also made me think that the whole concept of “royalty” is very narcissistic in itself and on the whole, so it’s not surprising that it breeds narcissists and attracts them. The concept that one family’s lineage over centuries is somehow far superior to any other lineage and is therefore entitled to vast riches, the best of everything and worldwide unchallenged respect and adulation… I mean, how narcissistic is that?!

    1. Keep in mind as well how the monarch in waiting would be treated, he (as it usually was) often saw little of his parents, having a governess or similar. Further, from an early age, the child had nearly everybody knee-bending, hand-kissing and bowing. There was no resistance to that child’s will. Now wonder so many monarchs are narcissists (although one might argue you would need to be to survive the position) .

      1. That’s true HG. Royalty is a very unnatural world for children to grow up in. All the power, privilege and wealth makes for an outwardly enviable life, but those brought up in it don’t know what a “real” life is like. The lack of resistance and lack of normal human interaction would cause some ingrained mental health issues, I imagine.

        I know you’re more interested in the football, but I’ve just finished watching the wedding and I must say it was surreal. The commentators here were gushing with only glowing and positive things to say. During the ceremony, there was a passionate preacher ramming home how important the “power of love” is and that love is the “fire that can save the world”. His speech included bible passages that mentioned “Gilead” several times too. I almost expected him to say “praise be” and “blessed is the fruit” as though it was a weird version of the handmaids tale!!! Lol

      2. Ha ha, I did not watch it but a few of my friends did and mentioned the reactions of the congregation to this preacher, it sounded rather interesting.

      3. HG
        The preacher certainly was very American. We hear those types of homilies all the time. At a lot of churches here the congregation responds by calling out “Amen” or Amen, brother!” on the parts they agree with and like. I got the feeling the congregation at the wedding we’re rather caught off guard by his style. Lol!

      4. Did they ask for the person who had something against the union to speak then or remain silent forever?

        Or did they omit the part, due to the two ex-girls Prince Harry invited?

      5. I got that vibe too WiserNow with the commentary Stateside. It’s like this wedding is almost as big as the 2nd coming of Christ.
        Praise be The Royals.

      6. Hi Clarece,
        Yes, it was definitely like a huge PR exercise intended to provide the worldwide public with a romantic fairy tale and to promote the royal family. Before I knew about narcissism and the truth of the psychology behind it, I wouldn’t have seen all of these factors as clearly.

      7. All this makes me want to watch « The Crown «  again and wish for a crown 3 soon. I wil pay more attention to this aspect. I had a bulimic approach to that série so worth going back.

        In any case and beyond the controversy – I have been reflecting a lot on the «  investigation «  piece of the acticle to help me look back at some people in my life / my grandmother ( my father was the golden child and I was the golden child of the golden child ) – and this woman who replaced me.

        I was lucky enough to meet her ( narc hair and head movemnent, control, jealousy )
        to have her send me a nasty mail -( threat- character assasination, blame shifting, sense of entitlement and superiority )
        to read things that my Narc had written about her in his journal ( her saying you can trust anyone in this world- people are out there to get you etc )
        Her behaviours ( lies, trade up, playing games etc)

        So I was able to conclude she is most likely highly probably a narc and thanks to HG and this blog I was able to cut ties with her right away and block her everywhere. I would have been between 2 narcs line of fire and be triangulated like there is no tomorrow.

        I will let them kill each other’s instead.

        Funny how she played the big sister with me – playing she was protecting me and poor me etc.

        In any case – I will go and watch pictures of the dress :))

      8. Re: Camilla
        I dont know, but that poor horse face can eat an apple from the other side of the fence without difficulty.

      9. NarcAngel
        Ha, ha!! Haven’t heard that in years! Mama would use that one about people. I never understood it till I actually saw a horse eating thru a woven wire fence! My imagination had not done the reality justice! 😄

      10. I think camilla is a narcissist going by media only of course. She doesnt strike me as having much empath if any thats why i find it fascinating her and prince charles have lasted so long.

        Lol at narcangels horseface comment 🤣 she actually was very pretty in her youthful days.

  26. I get so wise and bright from reading your articles, HG.
    After reading this one I suddenly understood that this is probably the case for Camilla as well. And checked Google images. A stabile look/gaze on exactly all thousand photos from their lives. Showing no regret or nervousness or weakness on any picture. It is like they are uneffected of what happens to people around them.

  27. HG. TUDOR ;

    Well done .
    I enjoyed your thoughts , & factual evidence in your written piece , immensely.! !!

    I say , however long the duration of their marriage., this ought to be fodder for excellent entertainment.

    In the most recent photograph I saw of Meghan Markle , she actually appeared to be trying to hide a six or seven month pregnancy , within a wrap around coat of sorts , & the pose , the way she had her body turned in towards Prince Harry , suggested a pregnant belly that could no longer be hidden .

    My opinion of Prince Harry marrying a mutt , such as Meghan Markles pedigree , is that it is a serious hard slap in the face to the pure bred Royal Monarchy , plus , a good switch kick in the sack , as well .

    I don’t know how the Queen would be okay & accepting of this union ?

    Unless , perhaps as you mentioned , that Prince Harris father isn’t Charles after all , but a typical commoner .

    If so , then that would make sense why it wouldn’t bother the Queen much .

    Because Prince Harry ISN’T muddying up the pure bred gene pool , after all ?

    1. Thank you.

      Harry is a good chap but is well-removed from the throne so it does not become an issue and instead he can be used as a tool for modernity, which is what is happening.

      1. Politically speaking, might this wedding symbolically signify a USA-UK closer union (as the Hollywood personalities – a tool for modernity)?

    2. I have no doubt prince harry is prince charles son if you look at his great great great grandmother queen mary they look so much alike. Its funny reding cnspiracy theories on the royal family.

  28. HG, assuming all is true (and I just looked more info on her, she says, ‘I wanna be like the next Diana 2.0!’)

    What an idiot. To say that about one’s deceased mother?!

    But assuming all is true, what sort of prediction could you guess for devaluation to begin? Or would it have begun already in small doses (not inviting his friends, as example)?

  29. It’s interesting that there are no pictures of her graduation from Northwestern. My husband went there and graduated in ’05, so I checked his ’03 yearbook. She was still there during her senior year. The idea of not finishing when she so close to graduating, after her parents had invested well over $120,000 in her education–if that’s not narcissism, I don’t know what is.

    1. Odette
      There were no pics of me in any college year book and I never walked the line at graduation for either of my degrees, so no grad pics either. Some people don’t. I would think a narc would be more likely to have pics of graduations, but maybe she was involved in something she deemed more important for her career.

      1. First huband, Joe Guiliano, was with her at NW. He has been literally erased by the powers thta be. The Queen KNOWS.

    2. Odette, no friends from Northwestern left in her life either, it seems. All of the friends she has these days are from the post-Suits period who don’t know beyond the facade of a semi-well known actress. Very typical narc. Their lives are departmenalized and kaleidoscopic like that.

      1. Or, Jen, she might not understand her past exactly, chose moving on from it and burning bridges, which is less work than understanding her actual experience.

  30. This is such an informative and interesting article! I has taken me a bit of time to think about it and also read the comments. It made me think about how “I” might be perceived from the outside looking in from various “friends” of family members. When you go no contact with nearly ALL of your family, that action could be perceived by onlookers as if YOU are the narc who dumps them on a dime for “no good reason.” Am I wrong to compare how it appears when a narc dumps a victim to when a victim dumps a narc? From outside appearances, it can look quite similar. Of course, I am not out smearing my family but at the same time, a person who is not familiar with those tactics may see the sudden no contact as a narc behavior nonetheless.

    A final comment to HG. I cannot help but read through all your work and most patient comments here and wish that narcissism was something that could be reversed so that you could experience true oneness and peace without the constant pursuit of fuel that shatters lives including your own. Thank you so much for all your work!

    1. Hi Enjoying the Show,

      “It made me think about how “I” might be perceived from the outside looking in from various “friends” of family members. When you go no contact with nearly ALL of your family, that action could be perceived by onlookers as if YOU are the narc who dumps them on a dime for “no good reason.”… ”

      It made me think about it too, ETS. Unless they know about personality disorders like NPD and dysfunctional families, they see us as the crazy one or the abuser. They do not understand there is a difference between narc shunning/disengagement and NC. They think that we hold a grudge and that we do this to punish others, which is not true. NC has nothing to do with revenge. NC is a boundary we set to protect ourselves and to refuse being abused by others, to respect ourselves and our dignity. We do not ask others to join us. Disengagement/Shunning is done by narcissists to manipulate and control their victim, among other things. They ask other people to join them and abuse their victim by proxy.
      Those who do not want to know about narcissism will judge us in order to feel better about themselves. They do not respect our decision and will take advantage of our empathy and feelings of guilt to bring us back into the abusive relationship.

      It is not easy at all not to have a support network and try to build healthy relationships with others when society is almost blind to narcissistic dynamics.

  31. Well………my friends and I are going to have an English breakfast and and tea an what is a good English Alcohol drink?? A Hotty Tatty 🙂 And watch the Wedding. Regardless what anyone thinks, It’s happening and we need something happy to look at these days. I hope a Biracial baby will be born into the royal family, BUT this child needs to have a very strong self-esteem as he or she could be treated badly 🙂 Cheers and Tootles….

    1. Hello SW,

      For spring /summer time pimms is quite often a go to alcoholic drink for brits, lots off fruit and ice…. I often go for a larger shandy when it’s hot!
      Or evening wise prosecco, and definitely a good gin and tonic !!! But that’s just me..
      As with any country people just drink what they like !
      I’m British but not a royalist, I won’t be watching the wedding as not fussed and planning to be at a family bbq…

      But I will say I respect the royal family, and I know that they are important to many people, and a substantial part of our heritage and culture.

      I think it’s quite lovely that so many people from other countries watch the big events like this.

      I hope you have a lovely English tea party with your friends ….

      1. Hi Quasi, your so sweet…WE need some happy in our messed up TRUMP lead country of kookoo sadness. oh we are doing tea sandwiches and little pastries and Prosecco and juice. We just had another school actually two today shooting. One in Texas and the other at a graduation in Georgia. It breaks my heart these young teens and children are being murdered and NOTHING is being done to help protect our schools more. OF course all public schools NOT Private. I have has 3 English boyfriends one I was to marry and move to England, as a duel citizenship of my Italian mother. BUT it didn’t work out. Now after the Narcissist, I have lost my appetite to play and flirt or have crushes. Mr. Grey of 50 shades has been my sexual high for a moment. uggg you know what upsets me the most of this whole Narcissist thing we go through I feel he took from me, he stole from me, he put a spell on me. AS after me THE Narc.evil monster, there will be no more love for you as I THE NARCISSIST SUCKED IT ALL OUT OF YOU. I just don’t care to try, what for sex…maybe some day again. I don’t want to bring this shit into my next relationship as still healing. BUT this made me so much stronger, as I have had to deal with so many family issues. I have been protected and taken care of in so many ways of the shits of life thrown at me. WE are all still standing and we will come out of this with GRACE…Thank you Quasi cheers 🙂

    2. Hello SW,

      Sorry for my delay in responding your comment didn’t appear as a notification in email or it was lost in the masses..

      I was gutted to hear about the shootings, it’s just horrendous. I struggle with the debate on guns within America; and I also do not feel I know enough about the issue to really comment. The only thing I know for sure is that when we had a school shooting in the uk it changed legislation.

      The Dunblane massacre in 1996 was a depiction of real evil / malevolence in our history. 16 children and one teacher were killed, with the shooter then killing himself.

      A direct result of this was change ! The Cullen reports recommended tighter gun laws, amongst other things re – security for schools.
      A year later in 1997 there were two Amendments to the firearms act. Banning private ownership of most handguns.
      The uk has not experienced a shooting of this kind since… to me that speaks for itself.

      Trump is in my opinion a complete asshole! ( I’m actually being tame in this statement) Sorry if this offends folk across the pond, but there have been multiple opinions expressed about the characters and appearances of the royal family in this thread so, freedom of expression is clearly A Ok…

      Trump probably doesn’t care about his global image, but his speech in regards to the “the stabbings in a London hospital” were almost laughable.
      “Blood all over the floor” , “knives, knives, knives” he looked like he was doing little dance!

      I’m sorry but what a dick!
      He is really clutching a straws trying to promote guns, because I’m sure knives kill more people then guns!
      We do have a knife crime issue in London. No denying that but to use it in that debate is ridiculous.
      We also have a national health service which I am immensely proud of, so our London hospitals are trying to ensure less fatalities from these crimes.

      I don’t believe he is going to get a warm welcome if he visits the uk, I’m sure the tax payer will love paying for that security detail!

      Anyway enough of the crap. Your right SW, there is a need to focus on the nice things to bring the balance. I’m glad you had a lovely time with your friends.
      It sounds like you had Bellini’s if with fruit juice / nectar. My favourite cocktail- I would be so in there !
      Bellissima!

      With regards to 50 shades I think I’m the only woman on the planet who has not read the books or seen any if the films ! So no clue .
      I lead a sheltered country bumpkin life yar!
      But I’m pleased that mr grey does what you need ! Lol.

      Your narcissist may have stolen from you, taken a part of you. But the thing is you can rebuild again. You can construct yourself again without stealing from anyone else, you don’t need to take their character, soul, love.

      You have the power to create a new you, having learnt from your experiences, you know the shit you will not tolerate! You know what it feels like to love, turn the love and compassion back to you!

      I get the impression that you are going to be just fine SW, and you will definitely come out of this with grace .. x

  32. Great analysis HG. I wonder, do you think she is in love with Harry?

    You often state that narcissists are “in love” at the beginning. They do really think they finally found a perfect match.

    I would like to ask – is it the “omg I love him so much, I would do anything for him!!” type of feeling or “omg I am dating a prince! I can be a part of royal family if I play my cards right! I am sooo happy, my dreams come true!!!”

    It is really hard for me to believe that narcissists are in love the way we are. I know they can’t love but I also think their “being in love’ phase is different from ours.

    Why I think so? Because
    being in love is a state of blindness. A person can mistreat us and we explain this behaviour or pretend we didn’t see it or forgive it. I believe that narcissist sees everything even in this initial golden stage and you can do one “wrong” thing and he is ready to start devaluation (no longer in love with the victim). I believe this sudden change means there was no “in love” feeling. There was excitement but not so potent to idealize the person any longer. A normal person can’t switch just like that, can’t stop the feeling because something suddenly came up. And narcissist can.

    I believe that narcissist can believe he is madly in love. But I also believe when you tell him during the date in the golden period “oh no, you misunderstood me, I am not a doctor, I am only a nurse” it ends the “being in love” state. He may be with you for some time, because you give him fuel but he doesn’t want to invest much in this relationship. He is done. He was “falling in love” with a doctor 2 weeks ago. Now all ia gone. And the normal person? If in love, it wouldn’t stop the feeling. And that’s why we are here reading your blog when our narciasistic ex moved on and believing he is in love in someone new (untill something comes up).

    1. HG, I would also like your take on this. Do narcissists really believe they are in love? And when they cycle in the devalue/idealize phases, do they think they’re falling in and out of love? I’m mostly curious about the mid-ranger. I’m pretty sure the Greater has more awareness, especially after the first devaluation.

      1. Yes they do when Lesser or Mid-Range.
        Greater does at first but not thereafter because any re-engagement is likely to be done for other reasons.

      2. HG, is it possible for someone to be a narcissist and never hoover his/her exes post-discard/post-escape?

      3. Yes.
        1. Either party is dead ; or
        2. There is no Hoover Trigger (highly unlikely) and the Hoover Execution Criteria are not met (possible).

  33. I remember watching a show about the Markles some weeks ago and concluding that they were just another family fully affected by NPD. It was her father who mostly stroke me as a narc. I did not read more about her, her family or the wedding (I did not even know it was this Saturday) since I saw this show. I just noticed a great improvement in her looks in the photos I came across sporadically. She may very well be a narc. I have also wondered if Harry is not a narc himself and she is just repeating patterns. But it may just be the opposite as well.
    In any case, I will not be surprised if we all soon will read about the Royal Divorce between those two. Sadly.
    What I like about this article is how it enlists the behaviours that indicate NPD.
    Thanks HG.

    1. You are welcome. I suspect (as is often the case) there is more than one narcissist in the family.

      1. Yes, very probably there are several narcs in that family.
        I will register the wedding to see only the interesting moments later and without publicity. Won’t watch the FA Cup for sure. I prefer weddings to football.

        (I know…“Off with Lou’s head!)

      2. Hi HG,

        I am curious to know how citizens of the U.K. feel about the monarchy. Are there some who resent this tradition (I assume that you pay taxes to keep these people in extreme comfort)? What percentage do you believe are happy to see it continue? I am especially interested in your personal feelings on the matter if you are willing to share.

        Thank you!

      3. I support the royal family. I have a keen interest in history and therefore have always been interested in monarchs etc. Queen Elizabeth II does a sterling job. Some of her family have let her down with their behaviours at times. Prince Phillip, for all his faults, was still putting in many public appearances into his 90s. Yes the taxpayer carries them to an extent but I have no issue with that being the case. On the whole the royal family is well liked in the UK – there are some republicans who call for its abolition and there are some who resent the ‘freeloader’ image that comes with it, but kindly the royal family are well regarded, principally because of the the queen. I do not think Charles will be all that popular when he becomes king (mainly owing to what happened with Diana and his behaviour surrounding Camilla) but William and Kate are popular.

      4. Thank you, HG. Your detailed response helped me to understand better what you and your fellow citizens of the U.K. think in regards to your Royals.

  34. I feel for Harry. I don’t think he sees Meghan for what she is. I see drama queen first up. Sickly sweet as well. He will honour her and scratch his head at the same time. Watch that space….

  35. As the mother of a young man, this breaks my heart.

    Harry seems like such a wonderful young man and I can’t understand why people around him aren’t looking out for him! I don’t know if his brother sees what is so obvious to me – and is willing to act like a big brother. I don’t think that his father cares about his sons.

    I can’t understand why Harry, at his age, has not learned how to recognize an evil bitch when he sees one.

    All you have to do is look at her! Shutter!!!!!!!

    1. He is smitten and even if people knew what she is, he would not listen. Furthermore, there are certain elements that welcome Miss Markle’s inclusion as a tick box exercise for the sake of modernity.

      1. Marriage is unnecessary. She would stick around regardless. He is a fool in my opinion.

      2. Meghan and Harry look good as a couple and seem in love. They have a very good chance at an enduring relationship because a smart narcissist who has something grand to gain will make it work no matter the circumstance to keep their position. The empath usually will not disengage unless he/she starts thinking logically and/or a 3rd party contributes to the enlightenment. This is my position on this entanglement after reading and applying Mr. Tudor’s articles.

  36. You’re spot on. Meghan Markle’s narcissistic traits have been clear to me since the world first learned about her relationship with Harry. I used to wonder to myself if I was the only person who noticed them. I see right through her moves, her words, her smiles. I watched the engagement interview and I just knew. I could tell she was a narc even before I learned about her past, the idolization and devaluation in her past relationships, or anything Ninaki Priddy had said about her.

    She clearly got it from her dad’s side. Her mom seems fine. In fact, she seems like a perfect victim for her narc dad, and their marriage probably fell apart because of that. Meghan got her NPD from her dad despite her mom’s influence.

    Harry got a narc mother as well. And either he himself is a narc or he has been primed since childhood to bond with a narc in a relationship. I think he’s genuinely in love with her. Meghan, on the other hand, may think she’s really in love. But that feeling will go away eventually. It will. That switch will always get turned off. The devaluation is inevitable.

    1. Hi jen
      Id thought of this scenerio too about prince harry having grown up in a highly narcissistic environment. Having a narc dad and possible borderline mother. He was 10 when she died and this wouldve been very traumatic to him. I do feel awful for the both princes. Tbh i know very little about them so i cant comment too much but initially i did wonder if prince harry had some issues emotionally and possibly personality and from growing up in that environment its very possible. This could be why he gravitated to meghan as well. I think if shes a narc she’d be an elite and if hes a narc hed be more a somatic but its so difficult bc he doesnt fit nicely into any school of narc. Maybe he isnt. He could well be an empath who was ensnared. Meghan does strike me as very different from his exes. Shes more sophisticated and mature. His other girlfriends seemed bubblier and younger. The fact shes an actress adds another element bc how much is acting vs narcissism? The acting could facilitate the narcissism or maybe the narcissism facilitated her acting career.
      I agree in that interview she came off a little too perfect and smooth in her mannerisms but she is an actress so its hard to know.
      I hope she isnt a narcissist for harrys sake and their marriage works out. They both came from parents with broken marriages.

      1. narc affair, I’m not sure if Charles is a narc, but Diana ticks all the boxes for me. Your observation of Harry is interesting.

        I’ll leave the analysis of Meghan to HG, though I think it’s her acting that facilitates her narc traits and not the other way around. Remember how she was struggling to find acting jobs all her life until she finally landed the Suits gig through her ex’s connections, and out of a sudden, according to Ninaki Priddy, everything about her changed including the way she talked.

        Her voice, her demeanor, her facial expression during the UN speech are just as fake and manufactured as those we’ve seen from the engagement interview. Narcs deliver speeches like that with great conviction. These are the people who believe their own fabricated narratives so much they can pass a lie detector test. Empaths believe them, because they project their own sincerity onto these narcs (look at the comments of people who hail MM as a feminist, humanitarian, etc.) I think it’s the voice and articulation training she went through as an actor that has made her narcissistic activities more effective, more convincing, and less detectable.

      2. Charles is. I recall that he had a tough time at Gordonstoun and when a child and returned during the holidays to his parents, Prince Philip met him with a handshake, no hug or warmth, so it is hardly a surprise he became one. He is notoriously difficult to work for, ill-tempered and obstinate. Diana had narcissistic traits but she was clearly a borderline, he empathy was genuine. She was manipulative but only in response to the way she was treated, she did not land the first blow.

      3. I think Diana’s manipulations were reacting to Charles constantly triangulating her with Camilla based in her abandonment anxiety, not premeditated calculations. She had issues going back to her family.

        I heard a journalist this morning reflect and say that Diana married Charles after only spending time with him on 13 dates at the age of 19. Can you imagine that in reality? Nowadays, I know couples who have actually lived together, bore children, but still can’t make that lifelong marital commitment. Diana’s biggest flaw was probably being a true love devotee, naively believing a Prince truly fell in love with her and had rescued her out of pur innocence.

  37. Perhaps someone has asked this already but I may have missed it among so many comments so I will ask:

    HG, Do you foresee the inevitable narcissistic pattern of devaluation and disengagement unfolding between RMM and Prince Harry once the golden period is over?

    Thank you

    1. Hi mara
      Possibly it has already happened maybe thats why the proposal happened so fast. Its hard to know behind closed doors.

      1. Extend the golden period for who? Who is having the child – the narcissist or the victim?

      2. HG,
        I think somebody meant both ways… Regardless of who is having the child! Golden Period is shared between two people, if I am correct.

      3. It could extend the golden period, but it is not guaranteed to do so.

  38. Dear Mr Tudor,
    It appears where’s there’s drama, there’s a narc or two lurking somewhere
    All this “carrying on” is not a good way to start a marriage
    Many thanks for all your time energy and effort in this most fascinating and captivating article.

  39. This is my third time trying to.post this but my comments keep disappearing I don’t know if HGS deleting them or if I’m not hitting the send button or its because I’m posting from a phone I never posted from before so I’m back on my old phone trying for the last time moira my ancestry on my maternal side both maternal grandmother and grandfather is from both the Azores and Mozambique that means I am indeed biracial albiet several generations removed my maternal grandfathers mom was black as well as some of my great uncles and aunts my mother is both descendant of african and Portuguese azorean descentand my father French and Scottish I understand the feeling of having African DNA but looking white this article however is not about race its an important topic for another blog

    1. Hi ugotit…i noticed yesterday the settings have changed again to where you cant see them once you post until theyre modified.

      1. Yes I feel like a nutjob posting three times but normally when I post I immediately see my post awaiting moderation but after I posted I saw nothing so I kept reposting thinking I didn’t hit send then I saw my first two comments appeared after I had already sent the third I wanted to send him an email to tell him to not post the third but poof it already appeared as posted I thought I was losing my mind or something lol or somehow he was deleting my comments or I wasn’t hitting send lol

      2. NarcAffair
        Ha, ha!!! Gaslighting! Probably why I just automatically ignored it. So many years of exposure it’s become like expected background noise! 😝

      3. Lol windstorm ive gotten used to wordpress changing routinely. I do miss rereading my posts. Go with the flow…

      4. Go with the flow … that is what my Narc would tell me to have me comply and swallow his shit . Now it is «  gone with the flow «  Lol !!!

    2. Hi ugotit…have you done the dna kit from ancestry? Its really cool! Ive met so much family from cousin matches i didnt know about. Its really accurate. I was quite surprised at my ethnic background..
      26% irish scottish wales, 23% scandinavia, 23% west europe, 14% great britian and 9% east europe.
      It was well worth the money!! Theres a few companies that do it. I wont do 23 and me bc they do the medical dna and im not sure id want that info as its not always exact.

      1. Narc Affair
        I’d love to know my genetic makeup, but I’m too paranoid to let government agencies have access to my info. You sign away you’re rights to the data when you take the test. I have no trust in government access to anything about me. I won’t even ever use the location setting on any apps.

        Here in the US, they automatically test DNA from possible crime suspects to the data bases of the main test sites. I’d also hate to be the way some family member ended up in jail! Lol!

        I think it would be very fascinating, though. Just because your great-grandparents were German doesn’t mean you inherited any of their German DNA. I consider myself British/German because of my grandparents/great grandparents, but I might not have inherited their genes at all. The results can be surprising. My DIL was shocked to learn she’s 25% British Isles when she thought she was 100% African.

      2. Windstorm and Narc Affair

        How are these tests done and the results concluded? How do we know you arent sending in saliva only to get…ahem…fecal matter back?

        ** Pssst Windstorm **
        Youre the one living in the woods like the Unibomber and driving around a woman wearing a gas mask and you think the GOVERNMENT is sketchy? Hahahaha.

        You know Im just teasin-youre my girl.

      3. NarcAngel
        Ha, ha, ha! I’ll have you know that I am a paragon of respectability and a hallmark of consistency. Even out in the middle of nowhere I can be found chauffeuring the even crazier and more paranoid.

        I’m still thinking about a line superxena quoted about (and I’m highly paraphrasing) if you surround yourself with enough other nutcases who think like you do, then you’re not delusional. Thinking about how that applies to my neighborhood….

      4. No I have not but its something I’ve wanted to do for awhile but being the cheapskate that I am I’m waiting for when they have another one of their special sale promotions I know a few people who had it done with shocking results I could be asain for all I know another thing it will put to bed is my lifelong wondering if I had been inadvertantly switched at birth I look nothing like my mother father or sister or anyone on either side of the family my mother was knocked out during my birth and she told me a million times that when they first brought me to her she said that’s not my baby and when I was about 19 my local paper had an article stating that some peoe discovered they were given the wrong baby during the years I was born so yeah I plan to do it eventually I’m sure it will.prove to be quite interesting

      5. Hi narcangel and windstorm…i sent in my saliva and the dna is as we know very accurate! It was really cool seeing some of my family names pop up in my cousin matches. I never met my maternal grandfather and now know some of his family.
        Windstorm a friend of mine expressed your very same concern but if the government wanted my dna that bad they could get it off a coffee cup. Im too nosey and curious to not do the dna test lol its been worth it! 🤗

  40. HG I love this series!! After reading pretty much everything you have written, I now have a pretty comprehensive understanding of NPD. These articles help me to incorporate my knowledge into real life. Every time you I read “A very xxx Narcissist”, I am better able to analyze and spot the behaviors from a distance.
    Great article – please keep them coming!
    PS – I also am wondering about which school. I think Greater.

  41. Hg I was just watching a conspiracy theory show and do you think the royal family had Diana killed or that she was actually killed the way we have been lead to believe??

    1. Diana died in a car crash. If the royal family had wanted to remove her, it would have been done in a different way.

      1. Ooooo interesting. In what way might something like that be done In your opinion?

      2. Poisoned umbrella tip. Classic British method of offing, don’t you know?!

      3. RATS!!
        Forgot about the poison umbrella HG! I really thought they might use professor Plum in the Library with a candlestick hehe!

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