The March of the LoveFrauds

the march

You died the moment you met me.

My kind are engaged in wholesale slaughter. A daily massacre. Nobody is stopping us either.

These massacres are not literal deaths. No, they way I leave you I believe that you may actually prefer to be dead in order to end the pain. The unrelenting pain and misery that I will inflict on you. What I kill is your confidence, your self-esteem and your sense of worth. I annihilate your finances, obliterate your friendships, shred your sanity and drive an icy cold dagger through your very being. You see, people like you pride yourselves on being honest, decent and understanding. That’s what makes you so attractive to me. That’s what makes the killing all the more complete.

You may think that I am an awful human being and that I revel in the consequences of my behaviour. For some of my kind that is right and for others it is not. Some of my kind have no awareness of what they and believe that what they do just has to be done. Others of my kind know exactly what we do. I am not concerned about how you feel. I have no interest in your reaction to what I do. All I am focussed on is what your emotional reaction does for me.

People are stupid. They need everything to be labelled, to be categorised and pigeonholed. They need great big flashing neon signs telling them what people are as they are too idiotic or lazy to try and work it out for themselves. See the man in a dirty raincoat with unkempt hair that hangs around the children’s playground? He is a child molester. Look over there at the man with a striped shirt and a bag with the word ‘Swag’ on it. He is a burglar. What about the lady in dirty, piss-stained clothes, mumbling to herself and trying to feed the pigeons stones? Oh she is a madwoman. That is what people expect to see. Ask anybody to draw a picture of a murderer and ninety-nine times out of a hundred, they will draw a crazed looking man, dressed in black, carrying a knife or a gun. They won’t sketch their spouse or their relative. Ask a person where they will most find a rapist and they will answer that he will be lurking behind a bush near the subway ready to leap out on some stranger. What they won’t do is point at their boyfriend sat next to them watching television.

And that is where the problem lies. You expect to be able to recognise those that will cause you harm in such an obvious manner. It isn’t like that. There is a reason that those dangerous people are able to hurt in the way that they do. It is because they are all around you. They are sat next to you in your car. They stand with you at the water cooler or in the lift. They talk to you at the school gates or serve you your daily coffee. They permeate society. That is what makes them so effective. The ability to blend in and hide in plain sight. How many times have you heard the neighbour interviewed about the horrific murder of a family by the father, say,

“He always seemed so friendly and happy.”


“He kept himself to himself.”


“He was a quiet man. I never thought he had it in him.”

Or my favourite.

“You don’t expect these things to happen here do you? You always think it couldn’t happen here.”

These people appear as innocuous as they are so ordinary and fit with their surroundings. They have masked what lurks beneath. These people, the drug dealers, the killers and the abusers were ordinary. They were themselves and they made no attempt to hide or be different.

This is what makes me so dangerous. I make a conscious attempt to blend in with those around me. I am a shape shifter. I take on the characteristics of my victims, mirroring what they love and enjoy. I become what you want me to be. You have always wanted to meet the successful business owner. I am he. How about the well-read bookish fellow who enjoys the theatre and some amateur dramatics? I can be him as well. You just love people who have travelled extensively? Let me tell you all about my yearlong world tour. Rock nut? Done. Singer? Do re me fah so lah ti do. Family man? No problem. I will morph and twist into these ideal people and in so doing I will slide my tendrils around you with insidious ease and pull you into the full horror of my world.

You are not able to see me coming. I hide behind a thousand masks. The bad people I have described above make no real effort to inveigle their way into your world. They are already there. They are part of your day-to-day life and you are unlucky that you just happened to be near them when they struck. I am completely different. I have come after you. I have marked you out as my prey and circled you, preparing to strike. I engage in subterfuge to further my aims and to enable me to glide in and out of people’s lives with slippery ease. I suddenly appear. Oh, there may be some existing connection admittedly, but that is all part of the preparation. When I actually enter your life I do so in a blaze of deliciously disorientating glory that has you rooted to the spot and gagging for more, such is the addictive nature of my behaviour.

All my work is done before I engage you. That is why your execution takes place the moment we meet. All else that follows is merely your elongated death throes and believe me, do I like to drag them out for the maximum of effect. I even pretend to try and resuscitate you from time to time. That’s just a ruse to enable me to suck more of the life from you. You may regard that as twisted. I don’t care. So long as I am able to feed, that is all that I care about. I must feed. Each and every moment to try and satiate this insatiable hunger that rages inside me. I think that the hunger can be sated but somehow, it never seems to be the case.

Thus my killing goes on and on and on. Victim after victim piling up and the beauty of it all is that I merely slip on another mask and melt away to find another unfortunate. I walk away leaving chaos and destruction in my wake but I never look over my shoulder.

Should you fear me? Absolutely. Sadly, for you, you don’t know what to look for because I do not come into your life bearing a warning. Once I have emotionally slain you, only then might you recognise the danger a second time but of course, by that point the damage is done. Amazingly, some of you come back for more. Incredible isn’t it? Sometimes it is with me or sometimes with another of my kind. The effect is the same however. Another excruciating death.

The beauty of all of this is that nobody can touch me. Those who might try to bring the sanction of criminal penalties against me usually fail. They either won’t do it because they still love me or that somehow they think they can save me and they would rather do that. There are others who are so broken they blame themselves and not me. Others again are so utterly destroyed they do not have the strength to take action. The very few that do not fall at these hurdles soon realise that my innate charm, my myriad of lies and irresistible powers of persuasion mean that actually getting the criminal law to apply to me is nigh on impossible. It is only right. The rules are not meant for me.

All of this means that next to nobody recognises my kind when we first choose you. Why would you? We bear no mark or label. We do not appear as some stereotype. We do not look like abusers but then what do abusers look like? They look like me. Him. Her. That man sat across from you on the train in his suit reading a quality broadsheet. The headmistress who crochets around the clock and is a committed Christian. The abuser looks like the construction worker downing his gallon of beer before weaving his way home. He looks like the quiet neighbour. The shy teenager. The earnest music teacher. The gregarious uncle. Him. Her. Them. You do not see us coming. You had no chance. Society repeatedly fails to identify what we are and how we operate. It downplays what we do with a host of euphemisms and woolly descriptions because people cannot accept that somebody who is so pleasant to them can then be so horrible too. Yet, that is precisely how we operate. Would you trust someone who punched you in the face when they first me you? Of course not. You’d trust him after three years of marriage before the first blow landed though wouldn’t you? You would not trust the fraudster if he stole ten thousand pounds on his first day at work, but after five years of solid and loyal service you would not think twice that he was forging signatures and diverting funds to his personal bank account. Society and people are too ready to apply labels which diminish the impact of what we do and what we are. You can attest to the horrendous damage that we do, you know better than anybody else of the impact that we have and yet you have to listen to people talking about how he is “misunderstood”, “under pressure”, “not normally like that”, “must have been provoked”. These well-intentioned people cause considerable damage as the ignorant apologists for the carnage we unleash.

Now you know what we are, you can identify us with ease. You can now think back to all the people you have interacted with and now you see us as if we have been daubed in bright red paint. Your colleague at work. The “difficult” customer. Your mother. Your brother. That friend who upset you one week and then fawned over you the next. The lovers. The celebrities. The politicians. More and more of us are identified by you and yet still we are able to do what we want and move on to the next unsuspecting victim. Society does not identify us. Society does not understand what we are. Society is utterly ineffective in tackling us. Our numbers are growing and our devastating impact on the lives of all those we entangle (and it is never just the one person is it) grows but what is being done? Do the politicians know us (save when they look in the mirror)? Do the police officers understand what we are? The nurses? The social workers? The judges? The court appointed psychiatrist? The jury? The neighbours? The teachers? The local government officials? All those who might be able to do something to address what we are rarely know what we are leading to greater frustration for you and the continued advancement of our agendas.

Nobody is stopping us.

What are you going to do about it?


63 thoughts on “The March of the LoveFrauds

  1. christania2012 says:

    What am I gonna do about it? Whatever I can, which is nothing much except wise up, learn, be vigilant and aware. Hopefully free myself. Hopefully have the backs of my loved ones.
    There is not much else to do because there are so many societal incentives for your kind, and so many societal accomplices. It bewilders me that you have a small part to play in my education. It is a sign that things are backward and upside down and there is so little “help”, of which a lot is blamey and hurtful: “Fix yourself. What is wrong with youuuuu. Why are youuuuuu “attracted to” Narcissists and Psychopaths?” Blame the dead duck for “being attracted to” the duck call and the decoy. We are human beings. We “are attracted to” other human beings – or that which resembles human.

  2. Jim says:

    HG. If you were one of the people who already did this to me, who already hurt me, I’d tear you apart limb from limb.

    But, god damnit, its all hypothetical .You’re an ocean away from me. How am I supposed to get angry when I’ve been given the manual? Well, something’s gone wrong with me. I’m ruled entirely by rage these days, and I’m determined to do as much damage as possible. Who cares how I turn out.

    I’d warn you to keep your head down, but I guess we both know how pointless that sort of comment would be.

    1. K says:

      Your rage is understandable and you are ambivalent/conflicted and that is normal. Keep reading and posting so you can get your emotional thinking under control.

  3. marinathemermaid3 says:

    Wholly crap you Tudorettes really like to spout off! Why don’t one of you start your own blog instead of hijacking H.G.s? Seriously, if you’ve been on this blog for over a year, it’s time to get your own!

  4. WhoCares says:

    made some *excellent points

  5. DF says:

    The Horror! The Horror!
    Dear HG
    This piece of work of yours is most important to me as I find in it an explanation why mankind is being doomed. Narcissists are not only love frauds but total and all-encompassing frauds. Talking about them in the context of love and relationships is just a gateway to understanding which you are promoting. That is effective because it touches on the more easily understandable personal experiences.
    Therefore, it is absolutely essential that narcissists be banned and barred, one step at a time, not only from romantic games of all kinds, from having families and having influence over dependents but that they also lose their foothold in work environments, in science, in administration, in religion, in charity and in politics, The reason being that it is exactly these people who, because they have the wrong incentives, will run our planet down. (This banning idea may sound crazy but, in my opinion, it will lead to the next step: The structure of modern society, with its values and hierarchies, has been built for purposes of accommodating narcissists and it has to be modified in order to accommodate all life on Earth.)
    As it could be learned from you and from personal experience, the narcissists’ primary incentive is to turn everything into a battle and subsequently to win every time and to subjugate everyone and every-thing in order to obtain fuel. Wherever pertinent questions have to be answered, the answers can ever be only of a kind that soothes the narcissists’ personal negative emotions of fear, anger, envy, hatred, fury – you named them.
    This – The Narcissistic Principle? – is the reason why this planet is on the brink of destruction. No effort to save the Earth will ever succeed as long as narcissists are given the means and power to sabotage that effort and modify a previously agreed-upon collective goal to accumulate personal power. In order to mitigate their fear of annihilation for five minutes, a defenseless little planet is a rather small sacrifice, isn’t it? (Maybe this is the source of “après moi le déluge”.)
    You asked: What are you going to do about this?
    Writing (an activity by which people can commit acts of different kinds, for example reviewing books by HG Tudor), applying your concepts of “G.O.S.O.”, “No Contact”, “F.R.E.E.”, watching out for Red and Black Flags, thereby rejecting narcissists as early as possible wherever I notice them.
    Sleeping. Moving. Meditating.
    Kind regards

  6. Alphapath says:

    The first time I read this I felt completely helpless. Today I did my small part by posting 5 star reviews of your books as you requested in your call to action. I would like to know more about your grand design. I think I read a comment by you somewhere along the line about “dismantling the edifice” and this has peaked my curiosity. My apologies if I have misquoted you but I would be pleased if you would elaborate on this.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you for placing the review. The details of the Grand Design are ongoing and will be written about in the future.

  7. DF says:

    Without realizing it at that time, I was put into a position (assisted by narcissists) where it is possible for others to kill me by exploiting some of my physical weaknesses and get away with it. (Situation is similar to a severe allergy.)
    But the narcissists in my life are of the mid-range variety, neither malignant nor violent types, and I think they are not scheming such a thing. (But it could just “happen” to them, like “oh, so sorry, now it’s in pieces”.)
    When the thought came to my mind, I started arranging my material and immaterial estate. Putting anonymous information out about incidents in my past, preparing to suspend the anonymity of the perpetrators in case something serious happens to me. Writing a few letters to be sent to certain people who have an interest, so they can take action or spread the word.
    Doing what I can so my child will get what I want to be his and nobody else’s.
    Doing this job is possible only because I can rely on the help of real friends. It is taking a great deal of my time but I think it is worth it.
    (It is, of course, not a technique that I invented, but obviously it is something people come up with when they feel under threat. One example: A few days ago I learned about the “Ringelblum Archive” or “Oneg Shabbat”.)
    Kind regards to all of you

  8. Jn says:

    I am stopping one right now. If this doesn’t succeed it will be the most public suicide ever released on LinkedIn. His entire network will know I took my own life because he managed to yet again persuade and manipulate to avoid any consequences for his actions.
    I’m ready.
    This experience has taught me hatred.

    1. Joanne says:

      Hold up please! What are you saying? I’m just seeing your comment here 3 days later. Please come back and let us know you’ve not done anything crazy!

  9. Christopher Jackson says:

    Not a damn thing hg. Goso that’s what I would do about it lol

  10. Pauline says:


    is it possible that we empaths or normals become more narcissistic after the relationship with a narcissist?

    I feel that after this relationship something has changed in me:

    – it is easier to wound me with criticism or by ignoring me,
    – I am more confrontonal – I try to “win” conversation instead of just freely talk just for the pleasure of talking
    – I am more concerned about my “facade” – how others see me, what should I post online, what should I hide…
    – I am more cynical, cheesy love stories bore me or make me laugh
    – Deep inside I feel I am not good enough and I think I should be perfect or do something perfect before I will show this to the world, I don’t want others to see any vulnerabilities in me
    – but also I am more judgemental when it comes to other people – I also see their flaws more eaisily and it can make me furious
    – it’s easier for me to criticize others

    These are some changes I have observed in myself since the discard 2 years ago. I don’t like it. Before the relationship I was more easy going person who was ok with peoples flaws, who was ok with her own vulerabilities, I felt good in my own skin, I didn’t have any facade.

    Now I am frightened to change my profile pic on social media because I am scared he would see it and criticize it (even if only in his mind).

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You do not acquire more narcissistic traits. Some people talk about catching narcissistic ‘fleas’ that is nonsense. Your narcissistic traits may become more exposed owing to reduced empathy, the reduction in empathy arising owing to the sustained treatment you have endured.

    2. NarcAngel says:

      That doesn’t sound like you have a facade to me. It sounds like you are now just using your narcissistic traits (everyone has some but that does not make you a narcissist) to protect/defend yourself from being in that situation again. It feels that you have become more narcissistic because you did not feel the need to flex these muscles before. You may feel that you have lost the spontaneity and innocence that you had before and in a way that is true. You will always be aware, but in time you will likely not feel as hyper vigilant as you do now. Think of it as your empathic defence mechanism kicking in rather than you being more narcissistic.

  11. MB says:

    HG, this is another one SM should never read!

  12. Joanne says:

    Scary to say the least 🙁 What can we do? I have been talking about narcissism now to anyone who will listen. Not about my personal scenario of course, but in more general terms. It’s frustrating when people only want to understand a “narcissist” as someone who is conceited or self absorbed, rather than someone who has a very serious personality disorder! But what it boils down to is, like you said – people are stupid.

    One thing that has helped open real discussions for me is the recent mainstream documentaries/dramatizations of narcissists like R Kelly and John Meehan, Ted Bundy… But again, no one wants to think someone so dangerous or deadly is just the average, regular person with whom they’ll come into some kind of contact with on an every day basis.

    1. kel says:


      One person who has put narcissism on the lips of the public and in the news is Trump, and not to offend anyone by that!! Whether one feels he’s good or bad is besides the matter. The real meaning of narcissism is being spoken on TV. All of us here (and millions more) understand what it is. I have chatted with a teacher about my own private encounters with narc’s, and she immediately recognized the traits in a child at school that they’re all having trouble with.

      Narcissism and its true meaning is becoming widely known. It might not be overnight, but it’s developing into common knowledge. It takes awareness by all of us, not to force on others, but just telling our own stories will lead others to relate it to their own lives.

      1. Joanne says:

        Definitely agree with you on Trump, but for me it’s difficult to use him as a conversation starter on narcissism without it going off on some political tangent. I personally do not like to discuss politics so it would frustrate me further for someone to hijack my intended narc discussion to go off on their own political diatribe.

        I hope you’re right about the true meaning of narcissism becoming widely known, however, I just don’t see it. Yes, I will agree that people can recognize narc traits – but do they understand NPD? And the abuse associated with those who are close to that person? I don’t really think so.

        1. kel says:

          Joanne, I didn’t mean to talk about Trump. I meant TV news is mentioning Narcissism, in its true meaning, because of him. Others are learning about it the same as we are. Chatting with someone about our own narc experiences is about getting it off your chest, and it just might happen that person has also been dealing with a narcissist, and you’ve just lit a lightbulb above their heads. Narcissism’s bizarre, if you can’t relate it to your own life, then it wouldn’t make any sense to you. It took awhile for it to sink in when we discovered it. But the progress is that nobody ever used to talk about it or maybe even know about it. Without HG explaining it to us, we wouldn’t understand it, not to mention explaining to us who we are. So spread the word casually, and if someone’s meant to catch onto it they will. But I really believe there’s a new awareness of it that might take ten years, but will become known.

          1. Joanne says:

            Yes, I do and I will. Narcissism is actually a pretty fascinating topic in all honesty (from a pure human behavior/psychology standpoint, I would never refer to someone’s abuse as fascinating). I feel good when I’m able to have a surface conversation with someone about it, who’s open to listening and learning. I do worry about my kids’ generation. I can really see the increase in desensitization and erosion of empathy in these young people. Will we be living in a society where narcissism is the norm before awareness has spread? It’s so scary.

          2. WhoCares says:


            I think you make some points about Trump and the media.

            “TV news is mentioning Narcissism, in its true meaning, because of him.”

            “Narcissism’s bizarre, if you can’t relate it to your own life, then it wouldn’t make any sense to you.”

            Shortly after I escaped my narc, I started googling all kinds of crap because I just couldn’t understand what had happened. At the same time the news and social media was saturated with Trump and his ‘narcissism.’ So it was in my face, and I even said to myself (with regard to what I thought was wrong with my ex): “Narcissism? Nah….yes…he’s messed up but not a narcissist.

            And like you said, we can be surrounded by it but not make the connections until reading HG’s work.

            “Without HG explaining it to us, we wouldn’t understand it.”

            Yes, that’s what it took for me: stumbling upon HG’s schools and cadres that made all the connections for me – and I was like: “Crap. He’s a narcissist.”

          3. WhoCares says:

            I meant to state: you made some *excellent points, kel.

      2. mommypino says:

        I agree with you Kel. Trump has really made narcissism more mainstream. I guess that’s one good thing that we can all agree that came out of his presidency 😉. He’s really great at branding I guess. But there’s also a danger of giving a misleading notion that he is the only type of narcissist. People might stereotype narcissism to someone like him and not recognize the two other types which are very different from him.

      3. marinathemermaid3 says:

        Kel, start your own blog. You obviously have a lot to say.

    2. Twisted Heart says:

      I agree. There is so much more I would like to do to bring awareness to this subject. Many times I have wanted to post one of HG’s articles on FB but what stops me is those “friends” that would be like “Oh here she goes on and on about narcissists again. She really needs to get over that guy.” Some people like to keep a blind eye. I’m definitely going to write some amazon reviews like HG suggested.

      My very best friend had a hunch that he was a narcissist early on but he didn’t match the criteria of what I thought a narcissist was and I didn’t want to jump to conclusions plus I was very much still under his spell at that time. Her first clue was that I didn’t seem like my confident self. I was questioning EVERYTHING! He wasn’t flashy at all. Kind of shy actually but at times very dominant. It’s tricky. The scary part is that he works with young people, something I had adored about him. I’m still shocked that these people just get up and go to work everyday like the rest of us. All the more reason to get the word out about this type of behaviour.

      1. HG Tudor says:

        Thank you. I am obliged.

      2. Joanne says:

        “Oh here she goes on and on about narcissists again. She really needs to get over that guy.” –> ugh, this is me too 🙁 And I too would love to share some Narcsite articles on FB, but can’t, for obvious reasons (the fact that my narc was my affair). I am fortunately enough to have a sister to talk to about it who is a HSP/empath who thinks my interest in narcissism is just an interesting topic to explore. At least it’s one “live” person with whom to have intelligent narc related conversations.

        Did your friends discount the fact that narc was in fact a narc because he didn’t tick ALL the boxes? Mine actually went out of her way to try and DISPROVE he was a narc because he wasn’t grandiose. My god that was crazy making…

        “I’m still shocked that these people just get up and go to work everyday like the rest of us” –> lol, yes, me too. Mine works in law enforcement. And yes it is scary that yours works with children. Hopefully his facade is important enough for him to do his job well and do the right thing by those young people.

      3. NarcAngel says:

        Twisted Heart

        If someone talks only about narcissism incessantly as well as posting about it, it’s easy for others to label them obsessed and tune them out, but if you are just posting a link without comment for those who may have interest, what’s it to them? At least you’re trying to help someone else through the power of media instead of hoping to change the world by posting yet another set of duck lips or shirtless abs. Isn’t that why people each have their own page? To post what is important to them?

      4. lisk says:

        Twisted Heart,

        One of my two best friends also had a hunch. She did not like the way he was treating me at the very beginning. My narc also did not match the criteria of the narcissist. He was quite covert.

        My friend sensed something and I didn’t listen to her. I just kept going on and on with her about my drama with the narc.

        And then my best friend broke up with me because she couldn’t take me anymore.

        She hasn’t spoken to me in almost nine years.

        I think I need to write her: “Yes, you were right from the very beginning.”


    3. mommypino says:

      Bing Crosby was apparently a narcissist too. He seemed like a great guy on the outside but his children came out and told stories about how they were abused by him.

    4. marinathemermaid3 says:

      Time to get a life.

  13. Bekah B says:


    This may be a bit off topic, but what is it like for both the victim and the narcissist when they are within a Formal long-distance Relationship with frequent travels to see each other? I did a basic Google search on this topic and some writers have reported this is the preferred type of relationship for the narcissist because they can pretend to be whoever they want to be to the partner that lives away, and still maintain a certain lifestyle where they live with others in proximity.. Some say the “idealization phase” (golden period) is longer and the descent towards devaluation and discard takes longer too, because the time spent together is spaced further apart than if the parties lived closer together.. Is the victim truly regarded as an IPPS, even if they live hundreds of miles away?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      It depends on the extent of the daily interaction and how that interaction manifests. There are many different variables, too many for me to comment with regard to each one, but consider (assuming the man is the narcissist and the female is the victim)

      1. Husband and wife who have lived together for three years and he then works overseas for three months unable to contact his wife;
      2. Boyfriend and girlfriend who talk repeatedly every day by telephone and Skype, text one another, but have not met physically;
      3. Boyfriend and girlfriend who spend two weeks together and then a week apart with intermittent calls, then together again for two weeks and so forth
      4. Boyfriend and girlfriend who see one another for a few days and then intermittent contact for a couple of months before seeing one another again.

      The outcome will depend on the victi’s position in the fuel matrix – are they IPPS or IPSS? If IPPS, they risk devaluation owing to the fuel not being providing as frequently/in large enough amounts even if it stays potent for longer owing to not being together. If IPSS, devaluation is less likely, but there will likely be other IPSSs in the fuel matrix.

  14. wounded says:


    I would like to express my most heartfelt gratitude for your work. A shocking life lesson I have learned (at the doddering age of 37, mind) is that I do not have to tolerate nor excuse toxic manipulative behaviors. That in fact, I can choose to cut ties or change how I interact with someone. Moreover I DO NOT have to feel guilty about it and that I can still be compassionate without sacrificing myself.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome, wounded.

  15. kel says:

    Good ideas about what we should do about it. Teachers are the big ones that should be told about it because they are trained to deal with kids behaviors, and they spend a long day dealing with them. Having some on my FB feed I can say the big complaint amongst them is kids who feel entitled and parents who don’t teach their kids respect, only entitlement. There’s no help from parents when they only defend their children, not correct them, or should I say their extensions.

    1. Joanne says:

      Great idea. If there is not already some form of child psychology segment within teacher education, there should be and this should be a key part!

    2. wounded says:

      I work with young children, infants and toddlers. Narcissism is actually a part of the developmental process and Sigmund Freud did quite a bit of writing on.

      Kids have shockingly manipulative behaviors, and its fascinating to see different children at work with this. HG’s articles helped change the way I argue with my son to avoid circular conversations.

      1. lisk says:


        So, narcissist adults are basically children who have never grown up?

    3. mommypino says:

      Kel, good idea on teachers. It would also be helpful if teachers can spot narcissistic parenting. It doesn’t have to be a part of their job, but if they are interested and knowledgeable enough in that area, they are in a good position to help provide extra support or mentoring to the children of narcissists.

      1. wounded says:

        Good ideas both. Maybe another vein of writing for HG.

  16. No More says:

    This is it. Nailed it. This is so frightening bc it’s so real and bc no one gets it…so he keeps getting away with it. Laughing at everyone.

  17. Carmen says:

    Best one written yet!!!!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you.

  18. marinathemermaid3 says:

    Wow H.G. I have to say this is the most chilling post I’ve read from you so far. Truly frightening. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about your kind in power, and I’ve read your post about Trump. To me, he seems like a little boy. A little boy who can actually destroy the world.
    Don’t get me wrong. I think most politicians are corrupt. Voting is a joke.

  19. marinathemermaid3 says:

    Hey H.G. Just curious. Does your kind care about larger world issues? My ex narc likes to play the part of the activist, but I think it’s a bunch of bull. He knows it makes him look good to my kind as well as to his male friends. Is there any real concern about things that don’t concern the narc personally?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      We will ‘care’ about anything if it serves a purpose for us.

  20. Survivor says:

    Nothing. Run away

  21. marinathemermaid3 says:

    Good point H.G. What are we Americans going to do about our president???

    1. Cindy says:

      I have a few suggestions….

    2. K says:

      Vote him out in 2020.

      1. Twilight says:

        Just going to throw this out here

        Many hate Trump, yet loved let’s say Bill Clinton or even Hilary…..all three are narcissists…..all three have their own agendas.

        Of the three I have mention which one would be considered dangerous? And why?

        I am curious of what the opinions of others are here.

        1. windstorm says:

          The most dangerous is the one who is the most volatile and the least intelligent. Both dangerous characteristics for a world leader.

          1. K says:

            Obama, Kerry and Hillary were intelligent and things appeared to run better. Also, they had a facade to maintain so they wouldn’t use lethal force to crack down on protesters like Nicolás Maduro, the president (a dictator and a lesser) of Venezuela has done recently. Dubya (W) was better than Trump, I think.

          2. MB says:

            K, Dubya was so entertaining!

          3. K says:

            He was a riot! Here is a Bushism for you.

            “One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures.”—U.S. News & World Report, Jan. 3, 2000

          4. Lou says:

            I agree

      2. Twilight says:


        I understand and see your point in why you view him (trump) as dangerous.

        I disagree he is far from observate, doesnt listen and sure as hell doesn’t think his actions or what he says affects others. He is predictable to one who sits back, observe and not let their emotions influence their actions.

        In my opinion he is being used as a pawn, causing people to react in an emotional way staying focused on what and how he is behaving, never seeing what others are doing behind the scenes.

        Lessors are only dangerous in close proximity to physical violence other then that they are nothing more then an expendable pawn.

        The most dangerous person is one who sits back listens, observes and thinks. This is both sides of the spectrum narcissist-Empath.

    3. Learning says:

      It seems to me there is a lot of discussion around what ‘they’ do, but little in the way of educating ourselves and taking responsibility for the empathy traits.
      Regardless of the manipulations I have been caught up in, this is a two way street.
      If I refuse to feed then there is no fuel.
      Accepting that I placed great stock on the original personal of my ex is the place I’m going to begin work.

      1. marinathemermaid3 says:

        Absolutely. But you can’t say that here, otherwise the Tuderettes would have nothing to do.

  22. DEMBunny says:

    The only thing that my MMR killed, was my Innocence.
    And I’m happier for it, go figure.

    What am I going to do ?
    Arm the other Empaths, of course.

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