America : You Are Being Conned


On the 25th May 2020, George Floyd was killed by a then police officer, Derek Chauvin, who knelt on Mr Floyd´s neck for over 8 minutes.

Following this protests have taken place in over 200 US cities.

Rioting, violent disorder and looting has occurred in many US cities.

12 major US cities have imposed curfews.

15 state governors have called in the National Guard.

13 people have died and 5600 have been arrested.

Why did Derek Chauvin behave this way?

Why did three other officers stand by and do nothing?

Why does police brutality occur?

Why do peaceful protests erupt into violence?

Why does looting and destruction occur in the very communities of those protestors?

Why does social media explode into accusation, counter-accusation, fake allegations and vitriol pitting people against one another?

What is the dark force choking the life out of America?

Why are you, America and indeed the world being conned?

Find out here and stop being conned.


1,002 thoughts on “America : You Are Being Conned

  1. NarcAngel says:

    Protesters making their own decisions about risk during a pandemic though are not only making decisions for themselves. Their decisions and assessments for themselves have the potential to affect the health and possibly even cause the death of others once they leave the protests. Ironic when you view it in terms of lives mattering.

    1. HG Tudor says:


      1. SMH says:

        Same with lots of things people are doing during lockdown. If we had role models maybe alternatives would be found but instead we get Trump, BoJo and Cummings.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          That’s democracy, SMH, doncha just love it?

          1. SMH says:

            Well, I prefer direct over representative democracy, HG, but I won’t split hairs. A Washington Post poll just came out saying that an overwhelming majority of Americans support both the protests and police reform. What I really like is being on the right side of history.

          2. HG Tudor says:

            Better get to the winners´ enclosure then.

          3. Violetta says:

            I hear of a convention to be held at Baltimore, or elsewhere, for the selection of a candidate for the Presidency, made up chiefly of editors, and men who are politicians by profession; but I think, what is it to any independent, intelligent, and respectable man what decision they may come to? Shall we not have the advantage of his wisdom and honesty, nevertheless? Can we not count upon some independent votes? Are there not many individuals in the country who do not attend conventions? But no: I find that the respectable man, so called, has immediately drifted from his position, and despairs of his country, when his country has more reason to despair of him. He forthwith adopts one of the candidates thus selected as the only available one, thus proving that he is himself available for any purposes of the demagogue. His vote is of no more worth than that of any unprincipled foreigner or hireling native, who may have been bought.

            – Henry David Thoreau

    2. Bibi says:

      Perspective, as HG has been saying.

  2. Another Cat says:

    Sometimes I think of Bob Dylan, when HG describes Super Empaths.
    Never a peoplepleaser smile. Only real emotions. But what do I know.
    Could be a narc?
    Only HG knows.
    Bobs voice is at times tiresome, yes sir. But occassionally he is baffling. “If You’ve Got To Go” sounds cute. Lay Lady Lay, yes that one too. And many many blues tunes.

  3. Elise says:

    This article belongs in the DSM. It is spot on and brilliant. You articulated some things that I have always felt but just couldn’t put my finger on. Thank you. My interactions with police have been mostly positive. The most recent occurred a couple of years ago. I chased down a pickpocket that had stolen my father’s wallet. They helped me catch her. This happened on the south side of Chicago where being a cop is not an easy thing. They are not all evil like Derek Chauvin.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you.

  4. SMH says:

    Of course you would not understand, HG, because you do not have normal human feelings but most people are not programmed like robots.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Actually, I do understand. It is idiocy or selfishness.

      1. SMH says:

        I should have qualified that HG. You wouldn’t understand from the POV of an empath.

      2. mommypino says:

        Just a quick comment of observation. HG’s cognitive empathy is in many times more spot on in understanding people than my real empathy. Many times I felt he understood me more than some empaths in some occasions. My guess is because his cognitive empathy doesn’t get easily highjacked by ET or more logical. But for whatever reason his cognitive empathy is super spot on and many times I wish my cognitive empathy is at least close to that good.

        1. Violetta says:

          ^What MP said, a thousand times.

        2. Leigh says:

          I agree with your observation 100%. My emotional thinking always makes my thinking blurry. While Mt. Tudor thinks logically and can see things much clearer.

  5. SMH says:

    Love, they know all of this and I know they know because I have been to two protests myself. People believe, as I said, that racism is a worse pandemic. They are protesting either racism or police brutality all over the world and all over the world they are also making their own decisions about the risks.

    1. Kiki says:


      You cannot be responsible for your own decision during a pandemic.
      As those actions , choices may directly or indirectly impact others.
      Unfortunately the virus doesn’t care about our agendas and just does what it’s programmed to do .
      To spread and infect where it has a chance to do so .


  6. NarcAngel says:

    I do recognize that you and Mercy worked it out. My comment to Mercy was not a slight to you, but rather one outlining how I view Mercy’s contributions here lest she question how she is being perceived. Not that as you point out – I was under any obligation to explain that, but I thought it polite.

  7. NarcAngel says:

    You have stated previously that you are not a racist – that you hate everyone equally. Is this true of all schools and cadres of narcissists?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      No, NA. Some of the lower orders will readily admit to be racist, some will act in am overtly racist manner and not see anything wrong with that. Others will harbour racist ideas but through facade keep them under wraps in most circumstances, others will act in a subtle racist manner and be unable to see that they have acted in a racist manner, some will specifically act in a racist manner and mask it. Whatever the manifestation, it all comes from one place – the necessity of control.

      1. MommyPino says:

        HG, is my understanding correct that you are saying that racism is a kind of manifestation of narcissism but not all narcissists are racists? Because I agree with that although I could be corrected. I just really can’t fathom a normal person acting like that woman in Central Park.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Then you have answered your own question then, haven’t you?

          1. MommyPino says:

            Thank you so much HG!! Light bulb moment again. I have had that suspicion but it’s not official unless you confirm it.

      2. Violetta says:

        I’m going to speculate that open racists are most likely to be Lessers. You might find an occasional Goebbels, but the majority will be thugs who just want an excuse.

        “Some of my best friends” will be mid-rangers, of course. They join the movement, criticize everybody else’s level of dedication, but don’t routinely go drinking or shopping with the demographic they Lurve so much, or anything you would do with actual friends: watch a game and the ref (even if it’s on TV), hit the beach together, drag the kids to the zoo and roll eyes at each other when they start whining for snacks or souvenirs.

      3. NarcAngel says:

        Thank you. I believed narcissism and need for control to be the driver for Chauvin’s behaviour, but wondered how much or in what order (or if at all) racism would have played into it if all narcissists had the ability to use it for manipulation and to provoke but did not actually feel it and hated everyone equally as you say you do. I appreciate your explanation.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          You are welcome NA, pleased to address the issue for you.

  8. SMH says:

    Mercy, exactly what I mean about you. It is totally logical that white supremacists aka Republicans (hahaha – that’s me, not you) would be using the protests to their advantage. Police departments are also full of them.

    1. Mercy says:


      “It is totally logical that white supremacists aka Republicans (hahaha – that’s me, not you) would be using the protests to their advantage” Hahaha you crack me up. If I knew you IRL you would be that friend at the club thats always getting us in trouble.

      1. SMH says:

        Hahaha, Mercy. Probably. I think the first time I got thrown out of the classroom was in sixth grade.

    2. Violetta says:

      Left-wing narcs will use the protests as an excuse to smash and grab at the local Saks 5th Ave., along with minority-owned businesses.

      Right-wing narcs will use the protests as an excuse to drive their cars into protesters, or promote their law-and-order candidates after engineering a false flag operation to be blamed on Antifa.

      Here a Narc, there a Narc, everywhere a Narc Narc.

      Meanwhile, my local post office was boarded up (I’ve had a postbox ever since someone stole my asthma meds out of my apt. mailbox), and everything’s been transferred to a central one a short drive away. No biggie for me now with my late father’s car, but as a grad student, I did everything by bus (or bike, if I got impatient). What do folks with no cars do? What if they’re elderly or have vision or other issues and can’t drive? This isn’t a commuter town like NY or Chicago. Even Philly has better mass transit.

      People living in economically depressed parts of town often have limited options for food. If any groceries close permanently and the major chains decide not to open one there because of the looting, many locals will be a captive audience to one that overcharges and provides more selection in cigarettes and OTB than in the food, much of which will be salty, starchy, processed items. Given the time, cost, and energy consumed by taking the bus to a better store and hauling a full cart back, many people will resort to Jack de Pryce-Oop’s, and there’ll be more community problems with blood pressure and blood sugar.

      A whole lot of people who had nothing to do with any political movement are going to be affected by this. It’ll be like an Italian hill-town in the middle ages: as soon as they finish building everything back after Florence came pillaging through, Siena comes from the other direction and does it all over again. Same with England during the Wars of the Roses: pretty soon, whether it’s Lancastrians or Yorkists at the gates, everybody’s ducking and covering.

      A large part of history must be written by narcs, while the rest of us are trying to lead our dreary little lives under the radar.

      1. SMH says:

        Violetta, I don’t know where the ‘this’ is that you are referring to, but a whole lot of people live in food deserts all the time, not just during protests and not just in cities. That needs to be fixed too. I am not one for blaming a few opportunists, whatever their political persuasion, when the issues are much broader, in fact I’d say those broader issues are connected to the protests.

      2. Mercy says:

        Violetta, speaking of history being written, what are your thoughts on these monuments being torn down. I’ll admit it I’m not totally on board with it. Put them in a museum if they are offensive on the streets. I just think history should be preserved. It makes me cringe.

        1. SMH says:

          Mercy, I know that question was not directed at me but in the case of the statue of the slave trader Colston, in Bristol, UK, the City Council had sat on requests to remove it for years. They can fish it out of the harbour if they want to but I think it should be buried at sea, the same way the enslaved people for whom he was responsible were. I also loved what those ballerinas did in front of the statue of Lee in Richmond, VA.

          Many venues and institutions in Bristol are named for Colston but all that will be gone in a matter of weeks, if not days, if for no other reason than people will boycott.

          Personally, I wouldn’t want a memorial or statue to Hitler or many other people in a museum either. Statues are celebratory. They are not ‘records’ of anything but themselves, so unless it was made by a famous artist and has some other value, there is no reason to preserve them. There are other ways of preserving history.

          1. Kiki says:

            I’m fairly neutral on the statue thing , but someone posted on another forum this and it kind of surprised me .

            Why don’t we just go tear down the Egyptian pyramids also , as they were most certainly built using Slave labour .

            It was a weird but logical point yet sounds crazy.


          2. HG Tudor says:

            If you look for long enough, you’ll find that creation and exploitation go hand in hand. Why might that be?

          3. Witch says:

            Actually Kiki the Egyptian pyramids may not have been built by slaves.
            There is also some differences between chattel slavery and indentured servitude. We do not know for sure how any form of slavery operated in ancient Egypt.
            And this was a time when people argued over who had the more powerful gods to help win the war.
            The Atlantic slave trade was based on race and the (white) slave traders invented a racial hierarchy to justify their business which still effects black people in the diaspora today!
            Ancient Egypt was invaded a lot of times by a lot of different people that empire does not have any bearing on any specific people today.
            Quite frankly Kiki it sounds like you want to minimise the effects slavery had on black people and I got to ask why?

          4. HG Tudor says:

            I make this observations with regard to the ongoing debating and not specific to what Witch has written. What is very interesting, reading the various views and opinions expressed by readers (and thank you for your various contributions) is how clearly I have spelled out what is behind the bigotry, prejudice, discrimination (sex, race, gender, sexual orientation, religious). Despite this, many times, this is still missed. People become side tracked, distracted and continue to pin it on something other than what it really is.

          5. Witch says:

            More than one thing can be true at the same time. Yes narcissism is narcissism but THIS is the way it played out in history.
            The comparison to statues glorifying slave traders and the Egyptian pyramids (which weren’t built by chattel slaves) and also represents something entirely different is a flawed comparison.
            Sitting here and saying “narcissism is all narcissism” when it tips in CERTAIN people’s favour and ignoring the effects it’s having on the disadvantaged groups who haven’t found favour within that narcissism is bullshit.
            So those disadvantaged people should be like “hmm it’s okay because it’s all narcissism anyway so let’s forget about it”

            Errmm no!

          6. HG Tudor says:

            Do please identify where I write or imply ‘let’s forget about it’. You’ve completely misunderstood what I’ve written and in so doing, you’ve created bullshit.

          7. Witch says:

            I’m not even talking about you specifically I’m talking about the intentions of people who keep wanting reassurance that it’s all narcissism- this is the energy I’ve been picking up from certain people on this conversation thread, it’s like they want to ignore the effects that that system continues to have on certain people today under the guise of “it’s all narcissism”
            And I’m sorry, but fuck that!

          8. HG Tudor says:

            See SMH´s comment and my response to it.

          9. kel says:

            Statues weren’t built by slaves. Beautiful architecture was built by slaves, including much of Washington DC. If a statue is offensive, then it’s time for it to go. Everyone has had enough time to get over the Civil War, and those statues are of losers, generals and what-not on the losing side. What if there was a statue of a man who had also been known to rape and mistreat women – wouldn’t we demand it be torn down?

          10. K says:

            Correct. Mass Manipulation; it is all about Control (power) and Fuel.

        2. Violetta says:

          A guy from my church (black, grew up in a part of Appalachia where there was little racism because conditions were so harsh you had to get along) thought they should be left up, with plaques explaining when they were built and under what circumstances. For instance, a number of Confederate monuments went up in the early 1900s, and were part of Jim Crow, rather than right after the war or even right after Reconstruction. Add a plaque explaining this, he said, and discuss how General So-and-so’s reputation had changed since then.

          Sounds appropriate to me, and pretty much what they have done at Mt. Vernon and other Founding Fathers’ residences. They have slave cabins either preserved or reconstructed, and information about living conditions as well as the contribution they made to building the mansion in the first place, and the farming technology they brought from their home countries (transplanted Englishmen didn’t always know the best way to deal with squash or melons, for instance).

          A lot of history, white and black, was destroyed by Katrina. There were plantation museums run by people of color in Mississippi, so the jobs and the tourist money disappeared, too.

          I agree that if having a statue in a town square is too disturbing, then put it in a museum. Don’t pretend it didn’t happen. Admiring Colonel Klansman is bad enough, but forgetting what he did is catastrophic. This is why Poland has preserved places like Auschwitz: so people can’t claim it didn’t happen. (Some people do anyhow, of course.)

          Think about a country where there are no records of the Confederacy. If no Confederacy, then no Civil War, thus no slavery or abolitionists who fought against it.

          We often look at things that were accepted in history and wonder, “How could anyone think this was okay?” If we don’t try to understand how people were convinced that something was perfectly normal, how do we know we’re not being taught to accept something just as bad? Just a few generations ago, domestic violence wasn’t taken seriously by the law, and schools didn’t have programs to deal with bullying.

          Historical people weren’t stupid modern people. Assuming that if you lived in that time, “I wouldn’t have either perpetrated or tolerated that kind of abuse” is arrogant and dangerous. When everyone around you seems to think a certain way, you might feel like a freak if you don’t think that way. Remember that moment at the Bazaar in Gone With the Wind when Scarlett realizes that she doesn’t think the Southern Cause is sacred, that the war is a disaster and her old beaux are getting killed for no good reason? She feels guilty that she isn’t selfless like everybody else.

          1. Mercy says:

            Violetta, I enjoyed reading your comment and yes this is exactly the way I feel. I understand that to display a piece to be admired would be disturbing but they are reminders of where we came from and how far we’ve come along. If anything, their history is more valuable now than it was a week ago.

          2. Kiki says:


            I not trying to minimise the treatment of black people as slaves that is your thought not mine.

            Now I suppose I’m branded as a racist.
            Trying to fit labels on those you know NOTHING about

            I did not state pyramids were built by slaves but if you read my post another blogger mentioned it .

            It was just an example .

            My point I take OFFENCE to yobs tearing around pulling stupid statues down in a mob rule fashion.

            Is that action REALLY going to change anyone’s lives for the better in the concrete here and now.
            That action is
            just showing your ass.
            The behaviour of people NOW including the BLM group is in my opinion a far more serious tell of the issues in society.

            I say it as I see it and like to look at the entire picture and the effect on ALL lives.


            I am not racist


  9. SMH says:

    Witch, I tried to answer your earlier but lost the post when the system encountered a glitch. Hope this goes through. I wanted to say that there are a bunch of Karens on here – finger wagging, telling POC/BAME how to protest, what the problem really is, how to behave, etc. They would even call the police if they could. I am sad to see it here because I normally do not associate with people like this but I guess the blog is a reflection of the wider world so I should not be surprised. I am not sure where you are but the best thing that happened yesterday, apart from moves to defund police departments, was the toppling and symbolic drowning of the slave trader statue in Bristol, UK. Wish I had been there. ✊🏽

    1. Witch says:

      Yes I think the amount of “Karens” is reflective of a lack of education and understanding of black American history. Some of the commentors have admitted that they are not even from the states, so they have not witnessed the quality of life in certain areas for people out there.

      A quick google search will reveal the reasons behind why black Americans are still segregated to the ghettos in America where crime rates are high:

      “So just to run back the score: Southern slaveholding families were able to recuperate post-Civil War wealth losses within one generation, and by 1940 even those families’ grandchildren were doing better than their Southern peers. Also by 1940, low-income and working-class white families are ushered into wealth via federally backed housing and farming loans and derivative lines of credit. In that same time, freed African Americans are mostly robbed of what little bit of land they were able to possess after the Civil War, and passed over for the mortgage loans and credit lines awarded to white families.

      In order to create, lose, and then re-create wealth—and then create new forms of wealth for other low-income white families—white families leveraged social networks and credit. This is the community context that the McKinsey report identifies as one of the crucial components needed for families to build wealth. Most African Americans were never able to develop this, and in the few areas where they did accumulate community-level wealth, it was taken from them. And they were unable to recover it due to racist residential and spatial settings.”

      1. SMH says:

        Witch, Yes to this history. Structural racism. I also think people forget how relatively recent the Civil Rights movement and even the Civil War itself were. It has not even been that long since the last formerly enslaved person died in the US. The US, like most countries in the Americas, is a former slave society, and that is its defining history. For people to sit around and criticize and wring their hands at looting, when African peoples and African Americans have been looted throughout modern history, is disgraceful.

      2. Mercy says:

        Witch, Systemic racism. This is the kind of education that people need to see to understand. We see the word racism and automatically defend ourselves. This type of racism is built into society. Its not possible for a white person to understand what it is like to live in a society where there are obstacles because of the color of their skin. To say that it doesn’t exist is like gaslighting an entire race of people. Thank you for posting.

        1. SMH says:

          Great comment about the gaslighting, Mercy! I never would have thought of it that way but yes, completely negating/denying other people’s experiences or offering counter arguments in denial, such as ‘and those looters, eh, they’re violent!?’ Whataboutery is the same sort of thing. All a deflection.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            You see this frequently.
            “Trump is a liar!”
            “So, Biden has dementia.”
            Er, maybe he has, but he is not POTUS. Such a response does not mean the individual is a narcissist (other evidence is required) but they may be a Misguided Normal who has no emotional empathy for the person they are do not know (i.e. a stranger they are arguing with on Twitter) See Understanding Emotional Empathy for more.

          2. SMH says:

            Thank you, HG. I will look at that

          3. Mercy says:

            HG, I always forget that some people only have emotional empathy for their own inner circle. That explains the comments on social media. What about the ones that you see all the time commenting. Example, our local news on Facebook. There is a group of people you can always count on to stir up comments and push their beliefs. Are these the Narcs you talk about in the article?

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Usually they are, but you cannot make a determination just from that behaviour isolation, it is an indicator, not determinative, although, repeated behaviour of this type over a sustained period of time is looked at in aggregate.

        2. Witch says:

          Thank you Mercy
          I understand there are narcs on every side and in the protests (there are narcs everywhere!) it’s just a fact of life and something we have to live with. But it doesn’t negate the fact that people face disadvantages based on race and so if we are going to bring up crime statistics and all that, we need to understand the reasons behind it because if history was reversed white Americans would be in the same position, living in ghettos with high crime rates, experiencing a high level of intra violence. And there would be would white lives matter protests.

          1. Violetta says:

            Actually, that’s exactly what’s happening in Swift’s Modest Proposal. When I’ve taught that essay, we examine the parallels between urban poverty and crime here and the English condemnation of the Irish underclass their own policies had much to do with creating.

  10. SMH says:

    Mercy, The only time I ever watched baseball was when the Cubbies won the World Series a few years ago. At that moment, I was a Cubs fan!! It’s been a long time since I lived in Chicago but my son was born there.

    I know what you mean about the numbers – I work with a lot of people who think that numbers don’t lie and I just shake my head. Look around you, people! Here in the UK, they report numbers of tests done but the numbers are actually just the number of tests that have been sent out! No one knows the results, the level of infection, or even how many people have died, though it is pretty clear that the per capita death rate here is almost twice as high as it is in the US.

    I’ve taken to only looking at access deaths to get an idea of how things are. Those are fairly certain since they are longer term and not easily manipulated. Numbers do appear to be going down here even as we reopen. My overall feeling is that the virus has a mind of its own and it doesn’t matter what we mere mortals do – we can try to avoid it of course but it’s more like a tsunami than like a rising tide. Not that I would bet on my own assessment, however.

    BLM has taken off here too. It’s a beautiful thing. I do hope that this time it will have lasting repercussions. Defunding the police is a good place to start.

    1. Mercy says:

      SMH after I posted my comment earlier I went into the John Hopkins web site. I screenshot the stats whenever I think about it. We are up 7000 deaths since Saturday. We were averaging around 1000 a day. I’m not sure what’s up with that.

      1. Love says:

        Mercy, most US states are seeing dramatic increase of daily number of positive covid cases since the protests began. The transmission of covid and mass protests are greatly correlated. I am surprised that the media has nicely packed away the fact that we’re still in a pandemic. The virus impacted the black community most (almost 30000 killed thus far in the US and in just a few months). I’m watching in horror as these protests are targeting the areas where our most vulnerable communities live. So we fight to get justice for the black community by rushing out in droves, yet we don’t acknowledge how these very actions can potentially kill thousands more if not millions of people.

        1. SMH says:

          Love, same here in the UK but people feel that racism is a worse pandemic than covid. I just think when people feel so strongly you can’t stop them from being people. Besides, crowds have gone to the beach, swimming, to parties etc. It’s not just the protestors breaking social distancing rules.

          1. Love says:

            True SMH, people are doing other activities, yet protests are the perfect breeding ground for covid. It’s not about breaking rules. It’s about protestors putting their lives in an extremely risky situation… yet no one is warning them this will cost lives.
            1. Cloth masks are not effective when social distancing is not observed. People are marching/laying side by side in masses for extended periods of time.
            2. Everyone is chanting, singing, screaming, shouting – perfect way to spread the virus.
            3. Not many are covering their eyes, which is another route of entry.
            4. Tear gas is another great way to spread the virus – tears, coughing, touching face, eyes.
            5. There are studies being conducted that certain races/ethnicities may be more susceptible to this virus with worse outcomes.
            Honestly, how are people not lambs to slaughter in this situation?

          2. HG Tudor says:

            I should think they have been warned repeatedly in the last few weeks, of course they choose to ignore that.

          3. Love says:

            Honestly, the media no longer talks about the pandemic. Going to the beach doesn’t get you an ‘Atta boy’. But protestors are lauded, and encouraged to take to the streets. How often does the media cover how dangerous it is to gather in masses right now? Do protestors really understand they could be signing their lives away? The WHO just released that the pandemic is getting worse. Yet that’s not front page news. It’s interesting what fires are being fanned.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Actually the media does still talk about the pandemic, yes, the protests are reported also, but the pandemic is “no longer being talked about” at the time of checking when this comment is posted
   – largest lead item Moscow easing lockdown (pandemic)
   – lead item shelving of plans for primary school pupils to be back in school (pandemic)
   – top middle item – nearly half os US states sees jump in cases (pandemic)
   – second item in lead column re tracing contact app (pandemic)
   – second tier item on main page WHO announces update on asymptomatic transmission (pandemic)

          5. Love says:

            Thank you. I should have clarified US news. And you are right, they do talk about the pandemic but it is no longer top news. I clicked your edition.cnn link and the headline was the protest.

          6. HG Tudor says:

            As stated, the articles were as at the time of posting. They will have altered since I first posted.

          7. Violetta says:


            Some protesters were lying down in Times Square. You could not pay me enough to make me willing to do that. With or without masks and social distancing, that surface is a giant petri dish, and that was before the pandemic.

          8. Mercy says:

            Love, the media is still reporting covid it just depends on what you search. I understand what you are saying though. My top search is “Trump news”. The last few months I would type that in and I would get all covid info. Now when I type it in I get all protest info. I’ve had to switch my search to “covid news”.

        2. Mercy says:

          Thank you love, I started doing the screenshots when we first started opening. this is the highest jump I’ve seen so far. It came as a surprise. I immediately went to the news and nothing. You are right about our vulnerable communities and sadly I think they will be the scapegoats when people start noticing.

          1. Another Cat says:

            @Mercy, do you have any estimate of what will emerge from this? I was thinking that since the demonstrators are under 45 yrs not much will happen to them if getting corona, but they should really really really wait 14 days before visiting their parents and uncles. It is still doable.

          2. Mercy says:

            Another Cat, I dont know. If what the scientist tell us is true, we’ll have a surge of cases and deaths. Everything changes though. Yesterday WHO is was saying that it is not easily transmitted from asymptomatic people. They were actually saying its rare. Today they clarified ” “I used the phrase ‘very rare,’ and I think that that’s (a) misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare. What I was referring to was a subset of studies.” Yesterday I said that I take screenshots of cases a few times a week and i was surprised by the large jump in number of deaths. I checked today again. look at this. This is deaths in the US and I copied right off the photos I took on John Hopkins sight.

            June 6th 9:38 pm – 109,791
            June 8th 9:54 am – 116,929
            June 9th 5:35 pm 111,751

            Somehow Hopkins lost 5178 dead bodies. I trust Fauci. I looked him up today. He said “if you just think about it, in a period of four months, it has devastated the world,”. I guess we will see what the future holds.

          3. Love says:

            Another Cat, yes people under 45 years of age have a lower mortality rate with covid, yet in no way is this virus an easy thing for anyone. 48% of patients in ICU from covid complications are between 20-44 yo. The longer term effects of the virus are still unknown. Post ICU patients are showing lung, heart, kidney and blood vessel damage. Also, a third of covid patients develop neurological issues. We are seeing more children with Kawasaki disease because of it.

      2. SMH says:

        Mercy, I don’t know. I’ve stayed on the edges of the protests with my mask on, in any case. Most of them are young. Me? Not so much!

  11. Julie Petkovska says:

    2 things could have been done to stop this from happening and these are my beliefs….
    1. Have a rule that prohibits convicted felons to be nightclub bouncers (GF would not have worked at the nightclub with the police officer)
    2. A rule that prohibits police officers to moonlight as security guards (he would not have been overseeing the nightclub for 17 years and feel he owned the place – his own need for power and control.

    These rules are in place in Australia.
    I was licensed through Victoria Police.

    I could be wrong….but..
    Whilst people say they did not know each other, As I have dated a few cops, and they do check your criminal record via car registration or license….I believe the police officer new of GF past (career criminal) and didn’t want him there. When GF lost his job, im sure it was a relief to the officer…I also believe that the police officer knew he (GF) would fuck up eventually giving him the go ahead to make GF feel the full force of the law when he did. Hence the no compassion from the other police officers (they knew). It was personal.

    He did not have to die, GF was murdered that is fact.
    Race did play a part. But it was the police officers narcissism… the need for power and control was more prevalent on this occasion. However too little to late due to other black deaths at the hands of police officers.

  12. Another Cat says:

    Absolutely , absent father is a thing, gives bad confidence, but Segregation mostly means one thing, imo.

    Lack of people who have black friends. Blacks who they regularly visit, and regularly invite to their own homes.

    People respect and help their dinner/pub friends. We recommend our friends for jobs, we
    automatically help our friends with legal issues, we vote for friends, it’s part of society structure. It’s a power thing. Befriend blacks, imo.

    1. MommyPino says:

      That’s an excellent point Another Cat.

      1. Another Cat says:

        Thanks MP, it is rarely talked about and no commentator here has reacted either, because it takes the rest of us change our lives until the day we die, without authorities sending
        teachers and educators and therapists to African Americans. Instead of teaching we can learn.

        By making them our friends. Visit their homes regularly and invite them to ours regularly.

        Protests and projects are over in weeks. There is more to be done against structures.

        They can’t work themselves out of segregation. We have to make ourselves part of their lives and vice versa.

        Structures are mostly informal. Friends helping eachother out on a regularly basis. Make a few blacks your friends.

        1. Kim e says:

          Another Cat,
          “By making them our friends. Visit their homes regularly and invite them to ours regularly”.

          “They can’t work themselves out of segregation. We have to make ourselves part of their lives and vice versa”

          Forgive me if what you are saying and how I am reading it is 2 different things.I will apologize ahead of time if I am missing interpreting you.

          I found these statements to be very strange, like if we all sit down at the “blacks folks house and eat some corn bread together” we will understand what history has heaped onto an entire race of people since they were force-ably removed from their homes on a completely different continent and put into slavery.
          Just the word “them” to me makes it sound like you do not see them as an equal. We have to make ourselves part of “their” lives…like we would be doing them a favor. Like “they” are a pet project.
          I found your comments to be very offensive.

          1. NarcAngel says:

            Kim e

            I read “Make a few blacks your friends” with a raised eyebrow as well. Until proven otherwise, I’m accepting the intention as non-malicious with possible communication/language barrier. It’s hard to imagine someone advocating that we “give ’em a go”.

          2. Kim e says:

            You are a better person than me. I do not except the language barrier excuse.
            I have been reading all the replies on this thread and have said nothing until I read that reply.. That reply is the reason this country…this world ……is in the racial divide that it is and I just cant let that go.

          3. mommypino says:

            Kim e, you don’t have to accept the multiple apologies that she humbly asked. But know that she is not a racist, she misspoke, everybody has misspoken at least once in their lifetime, she was not malicious and actually had the intention of helping fix the situation, she is not a hateful bigot as evidenced with her friends from different backgrounds. Also learn that different countries have unique nuances and people from other countries may not be as sensitive as you are regarding the nuances in the issues here in the US that you have had your whole lifetime of being educated upon. So if you cannot find yourself any grace to forgive that innocent mistake then YOU ARE one of the reasons this country, this world is in such a racial divide.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Having friends from different backgrounds does not mean someone is not a hateful bigot. Ever heard of the facade?

            The defence of “I’m not racist, some of my best friends are black” is not only not a defence, but has become the subject of ridicule.

          5. mommypino says:

            I understand that HG, but the context of what I’m talking about is me and Another Cat. Do you believe that we are both racists and we are manipulating?

          6. HG Tudor says:

            Please identify where I state that you are both racists and that you are manipulating? I did not, I pointed out the inaccuracy and naivety of your comment, that does not mean I am calling you a racist. I pointed out that just because someone says “I have black friends” or “friends of all races” that does not mean somebody is not a racist, because as I pointed out, there is such thing as a facade.
            When I correct your inaccuracies you are going to have to stop immediately believing that you are being labelled as a narcissist or a manipulator or a racist. It is simple, you are incorrect about something so you are corrected. Nothing more, nothing less.

          7. mommypino says:

            I needed to clarify that because of the insinuations of other commenters. Anyway, thank you for answering me, I appreciate it. The way I defended our comments may have been wrong or naive but I still stand that Another Cat’s comment was a genuine innocent mistake and she has already apologized multiple times. It did shake me when I saw the reactions to our conversation as I wasn’t sure how offensive what I have said was and I am sure that she felt even worse because most of the reactions were towards her comment. She asked for forgiveness several times. It was disheartening to see a response to those apologies as if what she did was unforgivable or inexcusable. I shared my point of view as someone coming from another country that people in other countries are not as in tune with what is the politically correct nuances here and I know my own struggles with that.

            I was indeed not manipulating when I wrote that comment and thank you for clarifying that. I do understand what you said so I will refrain from using stating things like that next time.

          8. SMH says:

            HG, Regarding your ‘hateful bigot’ comment – it is like Trump claiming ‘MAGA loves the black people’

          9. HG Tudor says:

            Mind you, Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel.

          10. SMH says:

            HG, I am sure you are correct though I’m not exactly sure what you mean – let me take a stab at it. Blue Horseshoe makes the share price of Anacott Steel rise so he can make a killing. Trump says MAGA loves the black people in an attempt to get black people to vote for him?

          11. HG Tudor says:

            Yes and both are forms of manipulation – one of the market, one of people.

          12. Another Cat says:

            Kim E
            I see that what I thought about when writing this, needs an analogy, because I clearly put it wrong. It is like when people have implied that women should by-themselves work themselves out of being discriminated.

            It can’t happen without men also doing a part in society, giving away some privilege to us women. Having some of the parental leave from work etc.

            I can’t sort of be expected to do all the work myself as a woman. Because I am not the one who has discriminated myself.

            That is what I in a clumsy way tried to express in an analogy with blacks (I am now comparing the situation for women in a sexist world with the situation for blacks in a racist world)

            As women we often hear that if we do our part with education, work and a positive attitude we will reach the top. But as history tells me that is not enough. We still get discriminated in society, at work, receiving much fewer recommendations than men, lower incomes, assault on the streets when we want to walk home in the dark on our own.

            This discrimination continues because many men are not yet taking part in fighting discrimination against women. They avoid us when choosing friends, they forget the female author of an article and only recommend the male ones for great jobs, they accidently don’t promote female collegues, etc. We can do a lot stickning together as women, but in the longterm it is also about men changing some of their mindsets.

            Laws are very important to take away discriminations.

            But I meant other ethnic groups generally having more black people in their lives (in my country too) just like I as a woman would like more men having more women friends. Not as a favor to me, but to expand our realities, seeing more of the world.

          13. NarcAngel says:


            “she is not a hateful bigot as evidenced with her friends from different backgrounds.”

            It was being pointed out to you that this is not evidence and dangerous thinking as well – not that you are narcissists.

            An Angel with a Dirty Face for example may do things that are considered good deeds. It is not evidence that they are not a narcissist with a facade to maintain and a different agenda/intention than what they present. It’s important to make these distinctions.

            This is not to be taken as me saying I believe AC is a bigot either. I have offered and she has explained that there might be a problem in communicating her thoughts.

        2. mommypino says:

          Cat and Kim e,

          One of my closest friends right now is Mexican and I remember that before I befriended her it felt like a pet project because it was so awkward and unnatural for me. I didn’t think that we have much in common and I wasn’t sure if we will get along. It turns out we have too many things in common. And ever since I have befriended her I have learned so much about her culture and I have naturally had more appreciation about her culture. Similarly she started asking about my culture as well and she has been associating the other Filipinos that she meet with me and I have noticed that my interactions with the new Latinos that I meet have become much more natural and fun because my brain associate it with my pleasant thoughts of my friend. My kids are being exposed to many things connected to her culture like their food, language, personality, and even traditional dances since she teaches their folk dances at our local Catholic Church. And her kids get exposed to my culture too. So I think that it doesn’t always feel natural at first but when we try to get out of our comfort zone and go out of our way in making friends from other groups that is the best way to learn about each other and teach our kids that we are all equal without even preaching it to them.

          1. mommypino says:

            Also to add, I didn’t befriend her with an impression that I was doing her a favor. I befriended her because I didn’t have a lot of friends and she looks like a great person and she smiled back at me at the church. But it still felt super awkward because I didn’t know any Mexicans before I met her. So I totally agree with Another Cat’s suggestion. When someone becomes a part of your life you naturally become interested in them and stuff about them and they learn stuff about you too.

          2. Another Cat says:

            Lovely that friendship is about mutual respect, Mommypino.

            I get friends from both Africa (Ghana) and the Middle East + Latinos quite naturally, parents of my kids’ classmates, and Middle Easterns at work. One family from Japan.

            From outside the US, when we watch George Floyd demonstrations, we sometimes get the feeling that African Americans are somehow excluded from friendship networks of other groups. (like Latinos, whites, Asians, Middle Easterns)

            But maybe that is a faulty perception.

          3. mommypino says:

            Another Cat,

            I didn’t grow up here in the US and that’s probably why I didn’t see anything wrong with what you wrote. When I have read Kim e’s reaction I tried to understand what could be offensive and thought maybe it sounded like we are doing them a favor so I said I didn’t befriend my friend to do her a favor which is totally true. I did myself a favor for befriending her because she is an amazing person. Maybe I was looking at it in a perspective of an immigrant and blacks are not immigrants like me or my friend. I didn’t mean to offend anyone here as well.

            Anyway I think it’s wonderful that your friends come from many backgrounds. I bet they all have lots of interesting stories about where they came from. I always love listening to stories of people from different backgrounds as it makes me appreciate the differences of many cultures. I love traveling as well as it feels like I am inside a book whenever I am in a different place. Thank you for sharing Cat. Take care. 💕

          4. mommypino says:

            Another Cat, I just want to add that I know what you are talking about ‘faulty perception’ when you are watching the US from another country. I had zero understanding of the social construct of the US as well even though I thought I had an idea because I have watched a lot of Hollywood movies or listened to their music and could speak and write basic English. A lot of Americans don’t realize that and expect the whole world to understand everything about the US. When I was in my home country we studied our own history and not the US history. I have been here in the US for 13 years now and I still get confused about their history and social structures or whatever politically correct word is more apt. A lot of Americans who lived here their whole lives don’t even know a lot about their own history. I live in an area where it’s predominantly white, Latinos and Asians. I have not seen any black residents here although one grocery store has a very sweet black man that works there but lives in a city about an hour away and I have small talks with him and exchange smiles with him when I shopped there. I don’t understand much about them as I have not had a chance to interact that much with them so I probably have all kinds of false perceptions as well. Anyway I just thought I would share that because it’s not an ‘excuse’ to say that you didn’t understand it or you had a faulty perception. It is an absolutely valid explanation.

          5. HG Tudor says:

            “A lot of Americans who lived here their whole lives don’t even know a lot about their own history. ” how do you know? Have you tested “a lot of Americans that live here” about their knowledge, or do you mean it is my perception based on my world view which causes me to arrive at this conclusion?

          6. mommypino says:

            I know that from life experience, my personal observations. A lot of Americans that I have interacted with do not know a lot about their own history. I learned that from my conversations with them and from what I have seen on TV.

          7. HG Tudor says:

            So entirely anecdotal.

          8. mommypino says:

            That was my experience yes. I have also watched on TV someone going on the streets asking people questions about history and they couldn’t answer or they give the wrong answers. It was not from a formal research or study. I thought that I was in an informal setting and I was sharing my observation.

          9. HG Tudor says:

            I know that because you wrote it on the blog, I wanted to ascertain the efficacy of the observation.

          10. Another Cat says:

            Kim E, NarcAngel

            Really sorry about how my expressions came across. No disrespect meant towards anyone. Quite the contrary, I meant to express mutual respect.

  13. emc2gion says:

    I don’t watch the news that often. Not because I don’t want to be informed about what is going on, or community events etc, rather from the negative energy onslaught watching the news leaves me with, that takes days to recover from at times or weeks if it’s severe. I’m pretty reclusive even prior to COV19. Prior to this article I hadn’t seen the news relating to these circumstances, and I still haven’t watched it, because I just can’t, because I would feel the pain and fear, not just from the man who lost his life, but from the bystanders as well, as if it was just happening, right in front of me. I paid for this article because I knew HG would explain what I have felt for a long time….and also others who I am close to.
    Thankyou HG.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You are welcome and thank you for reading.

  14. Dr. HQ says:


    You’re right. I meant it exactly how you explained. 🙂

  15. SMH says:

    Witch, The statistics are not true. Far from it. How anyone on here could ‘like’ MGMs comments is beyond me.

    1. Witch says:

      My guess is some people liked the comments because they are becoming resentful at being reminded of the left over effects that the Atlantic slave trade and lack of human rights there after has had on the lives of black people in the diaspora and so they wanted to believe that these problems are being caused by black people alone, like “well black people kill each other so it’s their problem! Not our business or problem!”
      There are sociological issues behind these statistics that are not being considered by the people who are presenting them here.

  16. SMH says:

    And by the way, MGM, last year there were 490 homicides in Chicago whereas you somehow come up with last year ‘6000 black people were killed by blacks.’ This just further confirms that you are full of hot air – not saying anything of value. Your reading comprehension also leaves something to be desired since this whole conversation began when I was quoting Trump. I do not know why you are so hung up on the ‘civil rights movement.’ You could look it up, though clearly you do not know how to use Google.

  17. SMH says:

    MGM, what’s your point? That ‘all lives matter’? Yawn. Last I heard, it’s a ‘free country’ and you therefore do not have the authority or the right to tell other people how to protest what matters to them. Your opinion holds zero weight. It isn’t about you.

  18. truthseeker6157 says:

    I resisted reading this for a while until I was in a mindset to do so. I was living in Charleston when Walter Scott was shot in 2015 so have a reasonable point of reference. A convincing article HG, People need to be more aware of narcissistic activity throughout society. 17% is high, yet there is very little information available for people to access in terms of educating or protecting themselves. Where does this one in six figure come from please?

    I do think there are complimentary issues in play here. I was told in SC that entry level police officers get paid minimum wage or thereabouts. So, the choice is working in a fast food outlet or, a job where you have perceived power, a car, a badge and a gun. No brainer for many young men narcissist or not.

    The suggestion here therefore is that less well educated young males and females are entering the police force. I have no doubt that there are some that enter in the belief that it is a vocation but many will not. It’s a bit like being a male growing up in Manchester Moss Side or on an estate in London where even the police dare not go. You have a choice. Be a criminal or, join the police. Therefore a questionable moral compass to begin with. This is exacerbated in the US due to the carrying of arms. Not relevant in this particular case obviously, although the bystanders might have behaved differently if the perpetrators were not armed. I still struggle to understand how they did not get more heavily involved. Personally I couldn’t have watched that happen and not done something.

    I would expect there to be a higher percentage of Lesser Narcissists in the general police population with other schools becoming more prevalent as you climb the ranks. So that’s a lot of loose canons carrying guns, in need of control and devoid of all empathy. I might be wrong in my understanding there though. I hope so.

    Where you find racism you often find poor levels of education. Beliefs passed down generation to generation with no means for these beliefs to be challenged or changed. Poorly educated people are therefore easier to manipulate. This ties in with your theory of who is sitting at the top of each chain. If it is a narcissist their job is way easier if the masses are poorly educated. That’s not to say that every poor person is racist or every high school drop out will be a bent cop. Not at all.

    My view is that if you want to resist many of the ills of the world, whether that be racism, inequality, exploitation, prejudice, the list goes on, the starting point has to be major improvement in education, that is fully accessible to all.

    I believe that people are people and we should take as we find. Unfortunately the world does not seem to be calibrated that way. These are worrying times and this is a worrying article.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      My observation over a long period of time. A widespread survey cannot be achieved, therefore my own analysis and observation of a lot of people in varying spheres is relied on instead.

  19. SMH says:

    Mercy, I’ll look for more of her stuff. I don’t know why I never go on YouTube but it never occurs to me unless I am looking for a particular song.

  20. SMH says:

    Thanks for that little nugget of wisdom, MGM. As I said, brilliant!

  21. SMH says:

    MGM, I have zero zip zilch interest in what you have to say. Don’t waste your brilliance on me.

    1. MGM says:

      Completely understand. All the info shared was from a few black leaders for reference, many are questioning if black people are being used and manipulated by politicians because the data and facts don’t make sense, and nobody helps the larger issue of murders in black communities that happen daily (also fact). But data and facts bug people, especially people who want to believe what they want to believe.

      1. Witch says:

        @MGM it’s not about data and facts bugging people, it’s how the data is being used to support certain conclusions which bug people. Understand the difference.
        It’s like when people use the mental health statistics of gay men to conclude that being gay is inherertly wrong. It’s not the statistics that people have a problem with.
        What are you trying to conclude when you say black Americans commit more crimes? That means what exactly? It makes sense why cops want to kill them? what are you trying to say?

  22. truthseeker6157 says:

    Nouveau Posh? Or, family seat posh?
    I’ve looked at coats of arms and come up empty handed so far.
    Does your family have its own coat of arms HG?

  23. SMH says:

    Renarde, I know that you and Mercy have come to an understanding but Mercy is one of the smartest, most level-headed people on here, in my opinion. She does not blurt things out or go all ET on us. You can be pretty sure that if she posts something, she has thought it through quite carefully and is correct.

    Funny but a few nights ago I posted something about defunding the police on a cousin’s FB posts in answer to her questions. I was simply stating facts – not my opinion. Someone swooped in and called me an ass and an idiot. I kept my cool – in fact, I was brutally cold, as I can be while destroying someone with words. This other person then discovered that I was a cousin of the person who had posted. She turned out to also be a cousin – someone on the other side of my cousin’s family. She tried to walk her words back but it was too late. Be careful who you call an idiot!!!

    1. Mercy says:

      SMH, thank you. Your comment made my day. I don’t know if my comments are always true but I do put thought into what I’m trying to convey and I’m always open to discussion.

      1. NarcAngel says:


        I have never viewed you as argumentative. You present opinion along with your supporting thoughts while inviting both discussion and clarification where they may differ from others with a view to understanding – not arguing.

        1. Mercy says:

          NarcAngel and FYC,

          Thank you I sincerely appreciate that from both of you.

          1. Renarde says:


            I have apologised to Mercy.Which I percieve she has accepted. If she hasnt, fair play. But when I apologised, I meant it.

            I was undergoing a temporary loss of control, which was not her fault. At all.

            When I undergo losses of control, I am under no obligation to explain them. To anyone.

            I hope this suits. If it doesnt, then that’s up to you.

          2. Mercy says:

            Renarde, We are good. I know your apology was sincere. We all have our bad days so think nothing of it.

          3. Renarde says:


            Thank you my love.

      2. FYC says:

        Mercy, I agree and I too find your comments thoughtful and balanced. I appreciate that fact and I appreciate your contributions.

      3. SMH says:

        Mercy, My pleasure. It is totally deserved and comes from a place of sincere belief. You are also very intelligent and because you so carefully consider things, I always trust what you write. None of us is certain of anything, except for HG, of course, but if anyone can think through something rationally, it is you.

  24. SMH says:

    Mercy, People see what they want to see – as we know very well!! I find CNN’s constant Trump bashing really counter-productive and annoying because it detracts from the policy issues. He’s too easy a target really because he does make gaffes but not everything IS actually a gaffe. When he said that line about looting and shooting I also knew exactly what he meant – that when the looting starts, so does the violence. He just did not know where the quote came from and that left him wide open. So he’s an idiot. What can I say. It scares me sometimes that I do understand what he means! lol.

  25. Another Cat says:

    Definitely a family fight, however acc to some litterature scholars the writes of the gospels apparently needed to make the Romans, like Pilate, sound more innocent than the Jews, in prosecuting and killing Jesus,
    to keep check with the people in power.

    I don’t know know if this is true, but worth considering the situation of those days.

    1. Another Cat says:

      Sorry, this was a comment to Violet’s comment, couldn’t find the reply button.

      “Most of the early Christians were Jews. This was a family fight. Why do you think things got so nasty?”

    2. Violetta says:

      I’m not sure they were trying to assuage Roman hostility so much as considering the source.
      “Well, waddya expect, they’re Romans!” vs. “You aren’t a bunch of pagans; what’s your excuse?”

      1. Another Cat says:

        Yes, exactly we weren’t there and don’t know if Romans in the gospels were depicted as common parlor in those days.

        I do wonder though, whether Christianity would have become anything but a small movement if they hadn t made it to Rome, or would have described Romans like they described the Jewish priesthood and Herod.

        Well then again it may be all true about Pontius Pilate and he really did officially admit that Jesus didn’t deserve any of the torture he got afterwards.

        For me this is not obvious. Thinking some more.

        1. Violetta says:

          Pilate was known to be so violent even the Roman government officially reprimanded him over it and relieved him of at least one appointment. So either he was misrepresented in the Gospels, or the vicious in-fighting in Judea shocked even him.

          There’s a scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian in which the various revolutionary groups are so busy trying to sabotage each other’s plots to kidnap Pilate’s wife and hold her for ransom that nobody achieves anything. Like all the best satire, this is painfully close to the truth. Swift refers to “the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken.”

          If creatures from another planet wanted to take us over now, they could easily do so. Ever see the Twilight Zone episode, “The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street”? If there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, they must have dismissed us as a no-go zone.

  26. Anm says:

    I am going to wait a few days to read this. I have no issue with paying $5, I am sure it’s worth it. I would like to read the article, and then have enough time to read all of these comments from the readers. I can see there are already 400 comments. And I am curious what everyone’s perspective is on this subject. I for one, had a hard time with this. My family has numerous family members in law enforcement or the military, and I felt they minimized this event. So I was more upset at my family once again not understanding such a traumatic event. I have also see that look on the officers face before in my own personal life, it’s the face of a sociopath who is trying to maintain control. I’ll comment again after I read the article and comments.from everyone when I get a chance

    1. HG Tudor says:

      And thus spake the voice of logic.

  27. Dr. HQ says:

    PERSONALLY, I can’t jump on board with a lot of these like religious teachings and morals…

    Anyone telling me how I SHOULD be and what is GOOD and goes on about forgiveness I personally find irritating and invalidating. I believe in moral relativity; however I acknowledge the order and moral code that religion as well as law provide us. I would like to stress there is difference between MORALITY AND EMPATHY and people often fail to recognize that.

    I understand that religion is helpful in some ways because of the morality and rules it preaches but I find that it’s harmful in others. It served some function for society at some point in some ways and basically provides a structure and code so people don’t run around killing one another – so we can co-exist. It also provides answers for people who are not comfortable with uncertainty – it brings comfort and structure to many.

    I say believe what you want. Whatever makes you happy. As a general statement…I just have an issue when people try to tell me what is RIGHT and WRONG and how to be and feel and live my life.

    I agree with almost everything (if not everything) that Witch has said. I think she makes excellent points.

    1. mommypino says:

      No one here has told anyone what you should believe regarding what is good and forgiveness, or what is right and wrong. Witch has made an assertion that Jesus was a narcissist when Annabelle quotes some words from the Bible and commenters gave their opinions. My opinions were regarding why the assertion is flawed. I understand that you are not a Christian but there’s no Christian here trying that is telling anyone what to believe or not believe.

      1. NarcAngel says:


        When Dr HQ commented: “Anyone telling me how I SHOULD be and what is GOOD and goes on about forgiveness I personally find irritating and invalidating” I understood her to be referring in this case to religious groups and not specifically to people commenting here. I could be wrong of course (as I was recently wrong and corrected about people hating ALL cops), but I just wanted to offer that I read it differently in the case that Dr HQ does not see this and people took it as you did and were offended.

        1. mommypino says:

          Thank you NA for the clarification.

        2. mommypino says:

          I have to add that she did see this and she was the one who liked my comment. I was not offended but I made the clarification as to my intent in participating is not to tell people what is right or wrong as I know it is not my right to do that. Just in case that was how I came accross.

  28. MGM says:

    A brief (very brief) but hopeful attempt to read the comments here and I simply cannot. As HG says, “curb your emotional thinking.” Quoting poetry. What does God have anything to do with the stupidity and bad behavior of humans, given free will? Funny how the religious scorned never bring up the devil. This is the problem with America/Americans. So emotional. Constantly, relentlessly, endlessly emotional. Insecure, constantly needing validation, to fit in, and heaven forbid to most that you don’t. Constantly triggered/needing to feel/needing to react/emote/tell/etc. Everyone lined up with their matching validation badges. I voted! I buy coffee! Here’s a tip. The most insane, and the most sane, do not do these things. It’s the middle people that are the problem, at this point. Which are you? Which are the leaders you believe in? Start there.

    1. Another Cat says:

      Very interesting MGM, about a good God not having anything to do with how ppl with free will behave. My agnostic me will reflect some more.

      Though we also get memes about “You know the worth of something from its fruits & harvest” For us nonAmericans, looking from the outside, it can often give the impression of a Hollywood movie. We do prefer it to the socialist dictatorship countries… but many events with presidents and preachers still feel quesy, like crusades from old Europe. Like in that song by Bono and Johnny Cash:
      “I went out walking, with a Bible and a gun”

      1. lisk says:

        You mention Bono and you have triggered me!

        Bono is Narcissist Extraordinaire–or so he thinks.

        1. Kiki says:

          Yep a lot of us Irish CANNOT stand Bono


          1. HG Tudor says:

            That is not confined to the Irish.

    2. Kiki says:


      I like your comments, I have to agree that quite a lot of group think is involved .

      It’s terrible what happened to GF but let the law do it’s job now enough is enough.

      Personally I’m disgusted by the whole thing for two reasons only

      1 Not during a pandemic please .Does anyone give a shit about passing the virus on through these crowds.
      The healthcare workers , the vulnerable the elderly oh yeah their lives are an after thought.
      Why did this not occur sooner , but when people were prob off work and tired of being cooped up and BORED.
      What about cops killed by black criminals or black people killing black people ?
      Or black people kiling white people

      Murder is murder why does racism have to be dragged into it.

      If GF was white would this be going on ?

      2 The sheer vitriol and violence being shown to the cops / business owners exact same behaviour as the cop showed GF.
      They are also innocent men and women doing their job or protecting their livihood.

      My views will not be popular but I don’t care I’m sick of seeing this bandwagon cause harm.


      1. Claire says:

        Exactly my thoughts, Kiki! No doubt, a horrible murder committed by a white cop and racially motivated.
        But turning the protests into anarchy, looting, abusing all cops – even the good ones and non – white ones is insane. Moreover during a pandemic jeopardising the life of immune superseded, chronically ill and elderly people from all skin colours; I cannot support such a madness.
        My eyes filled with tears when I saw the pictures of the shoot 77 years old black gentleman who was trying to prevent a looting in St. Luis. What about his life, why nobody cared and protested ? Why nobody cared or protested when a police woman fell from her horse because a “ peaceful “ protester deliberately mounted his bicycle into her horse ? What about the poor animal ?

        And why only BLM? During my visit in the USA I met friendly people of all skin colours. What about the other human lives – brown, yellow, native Americans, Hispanic people?
        But given the upcoming elections is easy for the puppet masters to play the racial card and manipulate the masses.

        Same s**t happened in Australia – it was a miracle how this brilliant article was published, luckily Dr Dillon , the author, is half Indigenous so the lefties don’t have the balls to claim that he is a racist:

        1. mommypino says:

          Claire, The man’s name is David Dorn. Based on how people describe him, he was an empathic person. So for the people here who say that there are no good cops shame on their idiocy because this man was a good cop. They already arrested the two black men who were involved in killing him. One of the black looters/rioters took a video of him dying and uploaded it on Facebook. Not a smart move. I wonder if he did it for fuel. Anyway I hope that those two black men’s lives are destroyed forever. There’s no excuse for what they did and it looks like they don’t have the ability to feel remorse anyway.

          1. Claire says:

            Thank you for the additional information, MP!
            May Mr Dorn soul rests in peace . A true, humble hero protecting the society until his last breath.
            I hope
            his killers got life sentences!

            I read your other post about De Blasio wanting to defund NY’s police . This is insane , absolutely idiotic intention! Who is going to serve the community, him? Or his clowns, aka supporters?
            My heart goes for all hardworking cops in New York , such a disgrace , such a betrayal.
            I can image Covid-19 cases spiralling out of control again.
            Poor health workers, the true heroes during the pandemic!

            I am glad you don’t live in NY, MP! Stay safe♥️

          2. mommypino says:

            Thank you Claire 💕 He was indeed a hero until his last breath. His is totally in anguish and there’s no person who knew him that could say anything bad about him. He lived a great life.

            For the life of me I cannot understand defunding or moreover completely getting rid of police departments. Thankfully New York is only defunding it and not completely abolishing it. I have friends that live there as nurses although they have been saying that they will find a job in another state after the CV 19 situation is over.

            Take care and stay safe. ❤️

          3. mommypino says:

            Claire, I saw my typo. I meant to say “His son is in anguish”.

        2. MommyPino says:

          De Blasio just vowed to defund New York’s police because of the pressure from Black Lives Matter Movement. It will be interesting to see how this experiment plays out. Is it really the institution that is causing the problem or some of the people running it? Personally I’m glad that I don’t live there.

          And also, regarding the hypocrisy on CV19 quarantine. A lot of these leftists have been the most critical of those who violate the quarantine and opening the economy too soon. It’s interesting how all of a sudden the CV19 concerns are irrelevant when they choose it to be irrelevant. 🤦‍♀️

          1. Kiki says:

            I was really worried to look if I had any reply to my above comment as I was thinking oh no what I’ve said is not in fashion now.

            Thank you Ladies for your wise opinions.
            Yes I feel very sorry for health care workers many who work horrendous hours and they have been the front line soldiers in this when most civilians had the luxury to hide from the virus.

            It makes me angry that all that caution is thrown to the wind , a LOT of health workers died from COVID in the name of duty.

            An innocent guards house was set on fire here in Ireland today , his wife is pregnant.

            Horror breeds horror
            Hate breeds hate
            Sadly there are NO winners here .
            It’s very very sad and frightening


          2. lisk says:

            This experiment will drive up Trump votes. He could not do better if he tried.

        3. Witch says:


          I’m mixed race and I have the balls to call this half aboriginal racist and a lot worse but I’m going to restrain myself, although maybe racist isn’t the right term exactly but either way I think it’s utterly pathetic that he would throw black issues under the bus because aboriginals have it bad too. Okay, then start your own moment. Not that he would since he contradicted himself in the same article by saying that most aboriginals are mixed like him and get along with white people. Okay then he can go and get his white wife and STU and stay out of black issues. Can not stand these multi racials who get a bit of acceptance for being half white and forget themselves

          1. MommyPino says:

            @Witch, “forget themselves”? You think he forgot himself? What does that even mean? What do you think ‘mixed race people’ like us as supposed to be? Is there an expectation on what a mixed race person should be and if we happened to be different from that expectation then does that mean that we forgot ourselves? I have never forgotten who I am that is why I don’t just join bandwagons of hers thinking. I know where I came from and have never forgotten it. Being mixed race has nothing to do with how a person is supposed to think. We can all think for ourselves as unique individuals. And just because someone doesn’t buy into the “privilege” crap doesn’t mean they are throwing black issues under the bus or that we are Karens. Calling names is another way to shut people’s opinions down. So there is no real discussion. You just want us to agree with you. How does that solve anything?

          2. Witch says:


            “I and others have been asking for a long time: “Where is the outrage regarding the high rates of violence and child abuse in Aboriginal communities?”

            Him saying crap like this which is the same as people saying “where is the outrage when black people kill each other?” As a response to the protests; he and others like him who use the opportunity when it arises to do the “what about..” shit don’t genuinely care about those issues themselves, they only bring them up as a rebuttal and that’s all I need to know about this man.
            and I’m not explaining myself any further on this site about it.

            Just know that yes, some lefties do have the balls to call a half white person a racist or whatever else.

          3. mommypino says:

            Witch, I will add that I can see how inflammatory it can be to say “Where is the outrage when black on black murders happen?” It doesn’t matter that there’s many black on black murders. The point is that George Floyd didn’t deserve to die because of a stupid $20 counterfeit. And I acknowledge that this has been happening too often and that there are historical data showing that blacks get punished more severely than whites. I am still not in favor of David Dorn getting brutally killed. He was a black man too and I don’t understand how a black man is not part of the black lives matter anymore as soon as they decided to put on a cop’s uniform. I do not know for sure if it’s the same in black communities but from the other POC that I know, joining the army or being a cop are ways for them to get out of the cycle of poverty. I know that my thoughts may be offensive or unwelcome at this moment but I mean no malice when I ask them. I hope that everybody will indeed just get along but it’s not looking promising right now. Again thanks for your response and I respect that you don’t want to talk about this with me anymore.

          4. MommyPino says:

            Thank you for your response Witch. In my opinion his question was valid and he had every right to be heard. We do not have to agree with him but it’s his right to ask those questions. He doesn’t have to wait for any moment, if those issues are important to him, he has the right to bring attention to them.

            With the name calling, I saw comments of having Karens here. I know what a Karen means and I do not see any commenter here acting like a Karen. I have always been nice to people of any race and that is not what a Karen is. My closest friends are people of color which I would never have if I have any hatred towards them. I am also far from being or acting entitled. I understand that leftists have “the balls” or more like a privilege to call someone a racist or whatever name but it doesn’t mean that it has any truth to it. The Karens that you talk about that I see in videos are actually narcissists. I cannot see an empathic person being a Karen in any way. Racism is actually present in people of all races and all political persuasions. Biden is a big racist actually although he tries to keep a facade, many times it has shown.

            Anyway, we do not agree but I am thankful that we were able to talk calmly and thank you for that. I will still find ways to learn more about the black issues and find ways to help. I did admit that I need more education regarding this but I choose to speak up because the issue about cops is affecting me and also the riots. And I also care and want the black lives to improve. I just hate the vitriol coming from both sides.

          5. Witch says:


            I want to apologise for my previous comments, now that I’ve calmed down I’ve realised that I misread the intention of the article.
            When he described the murder of George Floyd as “Stupidity” which I felt was a minimisation of the issue, I was already pissed off and then from there I was like “f this article.”
            But Im not knowledgeable enough about the issues facing Australian aboriginals to comment on the rest of it.

          6. mommypino says:

            Hi Witch, no need to apologize at all. You’re totally fine. These are all complicated and intense issues and we are all learning. I’m just happy that we didn’t end up attacking each in a really personal manner, I was afraid of it after I wrote my first response to you but I’m so relieved that you gave me a calm response. I saw your other messages and will respond to it later as I have a very busy day today. I just want to respond quickly that you don’t need to apologize and thank you for the discussion.

          7. mommypino says:

            Hi Witch, I don’t have good discipline, I couldn’t resist to write a reply.

            The way I understood the article, I thought he meant that the ‘act of stupidity’ he was referring to was how those cops acted. I thought it was a criticism on the cops. But I can see how out of touch it can sound and maybe when he wrote that he wasn’t as informed about how George Floyd was murdered that it was more than an act of stupidity but a brutal and cold murder by an evil cop and his accomplices.

            Also I could be wrong but the way that I understood it is that the Black Lives Matter rallies in Australia are not for the blacks here in the US but for the aboriginals in Australia and that is why he was speaking up and bringing up issues in the aboriginal community there. When I was living in my home country, sometimes there would be big movements here that would ‘inspire’ movements in our country but gets adapted to the situation in our country so the movement even though inspired by the movement here in the US and was happening at the same time and we may even adapt the name of the movement here, more likely is not about the issue here in the US anymore but about the issue in our country. But I could be wrong, it’s just how I understood the context of the article.

          8. Violetta says:

            The “Karen” stereotype isn’t just about race or gender: it’s about class. Karens will be perfectly happy to get some poor, downtrodden sales clerk fired, regardless of the clerk’s race or gender.

            A Karen’s worst nightmare is the person who says, “I’m the manager,” and tells her to get out. Karen’s goal in life is to make other people feel like nothing, because even without the comeuppance from a manager, Karen can’t stand the secret knowledge that she is nothing.

          9. mommypino says:

            Violetta, it sounds like Karens are narcissists.

          10. HG Tudor says:

            They are.

          11. Witch says:


            I’ve thought more about it and there’s still something about this man I don’t like and don’t trust, maybe that’s emotional thinking, but I don’t like him still.
            The opening of the article irked me, him minimising what happened by referring to the cop as “dumb” and the act as “stupidity” as if we are talking about an 18 year old drink driving and not someone who was murdered in broad daylight even after some people tried to stop it from happening.

            Then he said all the protesters are inauthentic protesting for no reason, with no consideration that some people may have been genuinely moved by what happened and wanted to do something about it whether or not he feels that “something” is worthless.

            He then states that aboriginals are hypocrites because they care about dying in custody and dying by police more than child abuse in their communities. Now I’m not saying that he can not mention that this issue should be a priority for the progression of aboriginals, however him completely dismissing how aboriginals feel about dying in police custody is suspect to me.
            There are very few aboriginals left so much so the stats are probably also including the mixed races and 1/8th’s because the population is so small and this is due to colonisation and attempts at genocide, so he should be at least understanding as to why the aboriginals would be particularly distressed at their members dying in a government related facility.

            I also had a look at his Twitter and he uses the terms “snowflake” and “blacktivist.”

            Him having to speak for aboriginals when he may in fact only be a quarter aboriginal (may not even be half) because the population is so small is part of the problem, so him being so dismissive of aboriginals dying in custody (even if at the same rate as whites, big population size difference!)
            Irks me in my soul

            And if the population of aboriginals is so small, then I’m sorry, why hasn’t the Australian government ensured that their aboriginals are living in better conditions by now, why is the crime rate of aboriginals still so high?
            Where is the government funding for aboriginal led organisations to tactial the issue of child abuse in their communities?
            This article brings up much more questions than what it answers, maybe that’s a good thing

          12. mommypino says:

            Witch, the points that you raised are all very valid. I don’t know anything about the aboriginal issues as well nor their culture.

            Just to add my two cents on the percentage of race in the blood of mixed race and hierarchy, I tend to agree with you Witch but I don’t know if it is the same with aboriginals. Personally for Filipinos, the more Filipino blood you are the higher your ranking is in society. Thus a mixed race has less ranking than pure Filipinos and it is rubbed on you in many ways all the time. However if you happened to be good looking, talented or achieved something then you become accepted and even cherished although you are still not like them. I have a feeling that it might be the same with blacks but I could be wrong. I don’t know if it’s the same with aboriginals though because it sounds like it is hard to find a ‘pure’ aboriginal unlike finding ‘pure’ Filipinos where it is the norm. I do wonder if it is similar to American Indians. I could be wrong but I have an impression that it is also hard to find a pure American Indian now so they accept people that have the blood even though it has been diluted many times.

          13. mommypino says:

            Witch, I also think that often it is hard to do introspection when we are caught in our own habits and ways. Just like when we are in a dynamic with a narc and an outsider sees that our behaviors do not make sense and they point it out to us and to us our behaviors make sense.

            To speak about my people which is the only one that I’m most familiar with, I know that as a culture they do stuff that doesn’t make sense and are counterproductive or even detrimental to them which prevents them as a country or a group of people from achieving success that other groups of people have achieved. And yes it’s true that we have been conquered three times and have been decimated by both the Spanish war and WW2 and we were held back dramatically when we were under the Spanish rule and experiences being discriminated in our own country etc. But there are behaviors that we have to own up as a group such as how come the Imelda and her children were back to being elected again after being kicked out of the country for extreme corruption? That is just one example but there are many more behaviors that are cultural and problematic and I think every group of people has that and maybe that is what this man was pointing out that it is time for their group to also own up to their own choices that are not helpful to them.

          14. Claire says:

            I understand Witch and I don’t except everybody to like the article.
            I read few articles on Dr Dillon’ s blog – he is one of the minority Indigenous people who are not afraid to point the issues within their communities, to work forward a change and solutions. I was on the bandwagon that the bad white man is the only one to blame for the murders, child abuse , drugs, etc into these communities.
            Dr Dillon writes about the sense of entitlement, the victimhood mentality, the reverse racism.
            Some of the local sport stars are tarred by their own people because they have married white people.

          15. NarcAngel says:


            “Him having to speak for aboriginals when he may in fact only be a quarter aboriginal (may not even be half) because the population is so small is part of the problem,”

            Can you expand on why you feel the percentage has bearing on his opinion?

          16. Witch says:

            Because how it usually works within racial hierarchy’s even post colonial is that the closer you are to being the race of dominate the group the more accepted you are, the less racial tension you face, the easier it is for you to get by (generally speaking.)
            Within the black community it’s called “colourism”
            There are very little dark skinned aboriginals left (who actually look aboriginal) to speak on aboriginal issues and voice their experiences and side of things.

            I took to Twitter and sent him the message I sent here and he didn’t respond to all of it.

            But I responded to what he wrote and said “where is the funding for aboriginal led domestic abuse organisations, where is the support? It’s easy to kick someone while they are down but where is the funding, so that the changes can be made?”

            Let’s see if he responds

          17. Witch says:

            I’m all for personal accountablity when it’s balanced and also takes into account the barriers that certain people face.
            Now if a community is drenched in poverty and therefore high crime rates and high rates of intra violence, how are we expecting any cycles to be broken without the right support?
            We can sit here and criticise a disadvantaged community all day but how will effective will that be in creating any changes, without the right interventions?
            That’s like HG telling people to take personal responsibility to leave their narcs but not providing the tools and right advice for them to do so.
            That’s why I had to tell this guy that if he’s so pressed about domestic abuse and child abuse in the aboriginal community, where is the support and funding to address this issue? The government can fund an aboriginal led domestic abuse program, could they not?
            There’s a lot of things that could be done that would be more effective than just criticism

          18. Witch says:


            I agree with all of your points. And I may have over reacted to some of the things this guy was saying.
            I understand that cultural practices can hold a community back and I’m happy that in the UK we have made certain practices illegal (FGM and forced marriage) because those issues are not about cultural differences but about abuse. And I don’t believe any government should tolerate cultural differences that are abusive.
            How this guy concluded the article was just poor in my opinion. He initially said he will write about why there is racial tension between aboriginals and non aboriginals and then he didn’t… he just went on to say most people get along.
            And then in the end he concluded that people just need to see the good in one another. Without making any suggestions on how to address the issues of domestic abuse and child abuse in aboriginal communities.
            This guy was given a platform and had the opportunity to make suggestions about the issues he says he cares about and it was just wasted in my opinion and the opportunity was only used to tell us the protestors are lame and hypocritical

  29. SMH says:

    Renarde, Mercy is right, actually. Trump was trying to say that it was great for George Floyd that so many people were coming out and protesting for him. That basically Floyd’s death breathed new life into the civil rights movement. I just watched the video, ‘it’s a great, great day in terms of equality’ while discussing equal justice under the law and fair treatment from law enforcement. Followed by ‘hopefully George Floyd is looking down’ etc. The media really twisted that one, I am afraid. The problem is that Trump reads things with no thought/is tone deaf and therefore emphasizes the wrong parts or mangles things if he happens to look away from his papers or Teleprompter. It’s dangerous for the media to misrepresent things, however, as it feeds right into the right’s narrative.

    1. Mercy says:

      SMH, Thank you. Im baffled that I find myself in these situations a lot and I’m starting to question why. I know I have come across as argumentative in the past when expressing my opinions and I’ve been working on toning it down but I really was just making conversation about inaccurate reporting.

      1. SMH says:

        Mercy, I find you very level headed and calm. If anyone is argumentative, I am! I even try to argue with HG. lol. I like to argue but I’m not going to with someone like MGM who claims that there were 6k murders of black people in Chicago last year when in fact there were under 500 homicides total. I know of course that Chicago has a high homicide rate and I know the causes and I know that a lot of the victims are young black men killed by other young black men. I lived in Chicago for 12 years. But I do not want to have a discussion about it with someone who pulls ridiculous numbers out of thin air and does not understand the Civil Rights movement or the current global wave of social unrest.

        1. Mercy says:

          SMH, Haha yes you are argumentive. I probably asked my question to the wrong person! I’m always cautious when people throw statistics around. I know data can be manipulated easily. I have a co-worker that says “give me the answer, I’ll make it work”. When they started changing the way they report covid cases in my state I stopped paying attention. I noticed when our governor went to Washington there was “maintenance” being done on the web site. Ironically more “maintenance” when Pence visited our state. Covid cases went down when we reopened, so did testing percentage. Now there’s no info on testing percentages. It’s all about who’s reporting and what their agenda is. I’ll believe what my eyes see unless they want to give full disclosure of the data

          As far as BLM, I think without clear leadership like MLK or Malcolm X it will be put on the back burner until the next time it happens. The system is broken and nobody knows how to fix it so we all settle back into our own “normal”. It’s clear that politics is keeping the fires burning (literally) but the press will move on to the next crisis. Washington is ignoring the core issue. They know it’ll go away.

          I didn’t know you lived in Chicago. I love Chicago. Before Covid we had a girls weekend planned to go there this summer. So whos your team? Cubs, Mets or Yankees?

    2. MGM says:

      The “civil rights movement?” That’s strange. Data (not emotion and slant) demonstrates that more white people have killed by cops than black people, black people represent something like 13% of the population but commit over 60% of the crimes, black people commit more murders and crimes than all races combined in America, the majority of black people die by black people killing them. None of this makes a man dying valid. Lots of black people are racist, too. Ask hispanic kids, white kids, etc. in predominantly black communities. There are endless programs and efforts to help people. And there should continue to be. But, “civil rights movement” which excludes hispanic, native American, and every one else? And why is it that America always needs a black race/civil rights movement every election year but you hear barely a peep? That’s because it’s all about driving votes. Please, think for yourself, and stop falling for it.

      1. Mercy says:

        MGM, the Civil Rights movement and Black Lives Matter are two separate movements although they are both based on equality. Black lives Matter has been around since 2013 and it spotlights racial injustice within the criminal justice system. This is not about blacks killing blacks, its not about the who commits more crimes, or all lives matter. Its not even about George Floyd (since by now everyone knows he wasn’t an outstanding citizen.) Its about bringing attention to police killings and abuse of African Americans. It has gained momentum since the world watched Derek Chauvin play Judge, Jury and Executioner on the streets of America. Now if you want to tell me that the video was made for an election year, Ill need to see evidence that Floyd and Chauvin volunteered their lives for their country.

        “Please, think for yourself, and stop falling for it” Ive seen a lot of evidence on this page of people thinking for themselves. HG has taught us well.

        1. MGM says:

          Thanks for assuming unawareness about BLM, but am aware of it and my comment was in response to reference to civl rights movement. Given that the data doesn’t support that black people are being killed disproportionately by white police, white people, or any other race, what is your stance on it? And also what is your daily activity in the movement? Are you actively involved in police reform efforts? Do you participate in helping to solve the issue with black on black murders also? Last year 6k black people in Chicago were killed by blacks. Why do black lives matter most when there is an election, yet as soon as there isn’t one there is no effort, including by the political parties professing the importance of race?

          1. Mercy says:


            “Given that the data doesn’t support that black people are being killed disproportionately by white police, white people, or any other race, what is your stance on it?” – It is my understanding through my own limited research that of civilians in the US there is a disparity with more blacks being killed by police (per capita) than any other race except native Americans. The data is incomplete because it does not include the likelihood of a race being exposed to situations that would involve fatal officer involved shootings. It also doesn’t provide statistics regarding which shootings were racially motivated. My stance is that the data is incomplete.

            “Are you actively involved in police reform efforts?”  – I am not. Are you saying there needs to be reform efforts if the statistics do not support a racial issue?

            “Do you participate in helping to solve the issue with black on black murders also?” – I do not. I do not participate in helping solve any murder issue. 

            “Why do black lives matter most when there is an election, yet as soon as there isn’t one there is no effort, including by the political parties professing the importance of race? ” I have no evidence that this is an accurate statement which leaves me to believe its an opinion. I do believe that political parties have jumped on the opportunity to push their agenda. That is why I try to stay informed. 

            I’m not pushing my opinion on you. In fact I’m not even sure I stated an opinion except my last comment about political parties pushing their agenda and it looks like you agree. I responded because SMH and I were having a conversation and you said to “think for
            yourself” I do.

          2. mommypino says:

            *This comment is not a dog on anyone or taking sides.*


            I think that you brought up interesting points. I have wondered why illegal immigration and black issues become big during elections. But no matter who wins they don’t do anything. They still haven’t done anything and the same issues just keeps getting recycled for the next elections for people to argue about. I wish that there would be more studies done as to why your statistics happen. I have heard the same statistics that you have cited although I can’t remember the exact figures. I wish that more relevant information could be given to us and not just numbers. As a taxpayer I wouldn’t mind tax money going into research on how to tackle these problems that the minorities have especially in terms of economics. I have been hearing that absence of fathers is prevalent in black families which has dramatically affected how children grow up and become part of the society. I saw from a parenting site a picture of a beautiful happy black family and the father wrote that a happy black family means breaking a cycle that has been present for many generations stemming back from when husbands and wives were forced to be separated during the period of slavery. It seems like there are many factors upon factors affecting their issues that come from many many years before they were even born. So I hope that there would be more studies on these issues that are not biased or partisan but just genuine efforts to figure out how to help them.

          3. mommypino says:

            *correction to a typo, not a dig (instead of not a dog).

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Hmm, so let’s see :-

            1. Plenty of talk about an issue but no action.
            2. Lots of promises in the now and delivery in the future – nothing or very little.
            3. A sudden need for control and using any means to achieve it.

            Sound familiar?

          5. mommypino says:

            Totally HG! I have been wondering if the recycling of issues is deliberate and planned but now I realize that for the most part it is just the product of how the players operate. Players as in the N politicians!

          6. Mercy says:

            MommyPino, I just had a thought and you and I have a truce when it comes to politics so I want to run this by you. I’m 100% open minded to your opinion.

            I think most people agree that it’s the narcs in charge that are motivating this movement. Both democrat and Republican. So BLM is a movement against police brutality towards African Americans and also to bring awareness to systematic racisam. In order for this movement to succeed 1 of 2 things have to happen. Laws have to change or there has to be a change in power. We know that the Dems are pushing for a change in power. What is the one thing that is causing people to shy away or turn against the movement? We hear it over and over again. “I agree that changes have to be made but I don’t agree with the riots and innocent people being killed”. Would it be a reasonable assumption that the Republican narcs are behind the riots to deflect the people from the core issue in order to maintain power?

          7. mommypino says:

            Hi Mercy, I can see how it’s possible to arrive to that conclusion. However, I have not seen evidence that support that. The two black men that were arrested for killing the black retired cop and robbing are not Republicans. The videos and photos that I saw of people doing looting and rioting do not look like they care about politics. I believe that many narcissists have seen this as an opportunity to do whatever they want. The two white women sisters who threw a Molotov bomb to a police car with four cops in it do not look like Republicans but look like narcissists imo looking at their pictures. The Brooklyn lawyers who threw a Molotov bomb to a police car were liberals who I actually think happen to be narcissists just looking at their pictures too. I think HG’s bulletin is so spot on. I think everything was just a really bad recipe for disaster. I have not purchased the bulletin on narcs during CV19 quarantine but I think that it has affected a lot of narcissists. And a lot of normals and empaths have eroded empathy as Kiki has repeatedly explained in her other comments because of financial strain, isolation from quarantine and other stressors to add to the anger that they feel after seeing the murder of Floyd on video. I don’t think that this was something that was deliberately planned by Democrats but I think that they saw the opportunity and used this issue to grandstand and pontificate which just makes things worse because their pontifications are more designed to rile up people to energetically be on their side and not really to address the boring details of the problems which will actually help fix things. I found out that many politicians including Amy Klobuchar receive lots of campaign donations from the police unions through the years. From what I have heard from the news, it has been extremely difficult to complain about police brutality and even more difficult for disciplinary actions to be given to the violating cops. They say it is because the police union protects them. Chauvin has over 15 complaints but only two verbal reprimands I think. So it is obvious the system is full of corruption from all sides.

          8. mommypino says:

            Mercy I remember a point that Getting There told me about having a safe environment for narcissists to behave terribly and I think that protests like this and riots provide lower echelon narcissists a feeling that they can safely do these things because they can blend in etc.

          9. mommypino says:

            Although Mercy, something made me rethink my theory. If this was not organized like my previous theory and just a coincidence of many narcissists taking advantage of the situation, where did they get the molatov bombs? Is it something that is easy to get? I don’t know. I have never had a need to look for and buy one. 🤷‍♀️

          10. Violetta says:


            You can make a Molotov cocktail out of any glass bottle and any flammable liquid. Tie a rag around it, set the rag on fire, throw the bottle at a target, and when it breaks, the flammable liquid and the flame will do the rest. Of course, you run the risk of it blowing up in your face during the process, but it’s made from easily accessible materials, which is why it’s a favorite of radical groups.

          11. mommypino says:

            Thank you Violetta. I didn’t realize it was a homemade bomb.

          12. FYC says:

            Just for accuracy, you may have noticed on the news that crates of riot supplies were being delivered and left on street corners. Not all supplies were brought from “home”.

          13. Mercy says:

            Mommypino, Sorry I took so long to reply. I didn’t want to rush while I was at work. I guess I’m not clear if you think that the riots are backed by an organized group. I made the mistake in assuming that you share Trump’s views about Antifa. I shouldn’t have assumed. My thoughts after reading HGs article again is that it could very well be an organized group and I kept asking myself why democrats would want to promote violence when it would turn swing votes against the cause. That’s when it occurred to me that it could be the right. I’m not saying it is or isn’t, I’m saying that it’s reasonable to think that it could be backed by either side. Read past GF part in HGs article again. It might help you decide if someone or some group is leading this. Also where it talks about empaths and normals participating and why. 

          14. mommypino says:

            Hi Mercy, no worries about late replies as I tend to do the same thing as well. Sometimes for various reasons I prefer responding when I have more time than right away. Sometimes I am able to respond right away to some posts and wait when I have time to respond to others. It doesn’t mean either one is less priority etc.

            I have reread the article again to see if I missed something. I have read the part where the normals and empaths participate but it still made me arrive at the same thoughts. Herd mentality and erosion of empathy seems pretty convincing to me. I have just read what FYC wrote. When I wrote my earlier comment, I wasn’t aware of people supplying those things and that’s why after I submitted my first two comments it dawned on me that two examples that I have had Molotov bombs so I asked if that is something that is easy to get or if an organized outfit was supplying it to them. I didn’t know that it was a homemade bomb and when V told me I thought maybe they just made the bombs. I asked my husband if he thinks someone is supplying Molotov bombs and he said that there was a van that was caught by the cops full of bricks and Molotov bombs for whoever wanted to use them. He said that the FBI is investigating it and right now they think it’s Antifa and some people believe Sorros is funding this. I think both Democrats and Republicans can gain politically from this depending on how they play their cards. It made me sad while I was writing the last sentence.

          15. Mercy says:

            Mommypino, The herd mentality is what I was talking about. I didn’t know how much I could say about the article without giving too much away for those that haven’t had a chance to purchase it. When you referred to the comment made about narcissist needing a safe environment to act terrible I misunderstood that you thought all of the rioters were narcissist.

            I did some reading today about the organized groups being behind the riots. Your husband is right that the FBI is investigating not just Antifa but other groups like KKK. From what i understand, these groups are always on surveillance. Barr said it could take years before they are able to make arrest. What I read into that is it’ll be old news by then so we’ll never know. These groups are so extreme that if either side laid claim to them it would be political suicide. Its just another distraction which is sad because I think most average citizens really do want to see change. We are like the silver balls in a pinball machine and our leaders keep feeding the quarters.

            Thank you for talking to me. I appreciated hearing your point of view.

          16. mommypino says:

            Thank you for discussion as well. I really appreciate and enjoyed it. I agree with all of what you said too!

      2. Kiki says:

        I completely agree with you .

        I also think the pandemic was another driving factor in all this .People bored , angry etc.
        What happened that man was inexcusable don’t get me wrong but the sheer vitriol being shown to the cops is unjustified.
        They are all being tarred with the same brush .In the UK a guard was knocked off his horse and beaten with bottles ! For what???Isnt that the exact same behaviour as the cop harming an innocent man.
        Yes that cop that killed GF was wrong , a possible psychopath they are in all professions and walks of life from doctors to bin collectors.

        Terrible atrocities are occurring everyday ALL over the world , starvation,paedophile rings , drug lords, antisocial crime , cold blooded murder and ageism but not much about those.

        Racism exists everywhere amongst every group not just black people.

        I just feel the whole thing is insanity and becoming ridiculous


        1. lisk says:

          Most are people with NBTD syndrome. Nothing better to do.

      3. Witch says:

        Regarding the statistics that you gave, assuming that they are true my first question is, why?
        I have no idea what it’s like to live in a black ghetto in America, and be segregated to certain districts and therefore certain schools due to being born within a certain race and socioeconomic status. Do you? Maybe you don’t and that’s why you’re quick to judge.
        The issue is not solely about dying by police hands, the issue is what were those people doing that warranted being killed in the first place and there is where you may find the racial disparity.

      4. lisk says:

        MGM, thank you.

    3. lisk says:

      Trump sure has done more in less than four years than Obama did in eight.

  30. FYC says:

    GT, I cannot find your comment on the Bible, but you are well read and your comment is well written. I wanted to add that the reason Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah is because in the Torah, it is written that the Messiah will end all wars and conflicts. This has not yet happened so they are not believers. From the Christian perspective, all wars will cease after the resurrection (allowing fulfillment of all scripture from their perspective).

    I find SV’s theory of Jesus being a N poorly constructed and thinly supported, and absent of much data and insight. I also find it self-serving on SV’s part. I’m sure he would love to usurp Jesus’ standing and elevate himself. SV’s wet dream is probably to have the Gregorian calendar be replaced with the Vaknin calendar so that everyones time and days revolve around his existence. At the least, Vaknin tries to place himself at the same level as Christ (if both were Ns). His intent it’s laughable.

    1. Getting There says:

      Thank you, FYC!!
      Excellent point about the Messiah! Thank you for sharing it!

      I have yet to read or see anything of SV as far as I know. Before finding HG, I saw a couple of videos of a guy who constantly talked about his ex. Since finding HG, I have seen videos of a Texan and a guy who thinks he is helping meditate while teaching. The ex man and meditating man were not my cup of tea, so I couldn’t watch many. I like the Texan’s accent so of the ones of his I actually click on, it’s more for that and I do other things while he’s talking. I can’t remember any of their names so they may have been SV. By what I have read of him here from previous comments, I have not had a desire to look for him specifically. I had to laugh when I read your comment about his wet dream.

    2. Kiki says:

      Well said 😊😊


  31. Bibi says:

    Purchased. Will read soon. You’re in my Dropbox! I am the only one allowed in there! Your kind really does know how to creep in. LOL

    Will share some thoughts once I read and reflect.

  32. SMH says:

    I’ve noticed that too, Mercy, and I am no fan of the Orange One. I also know what he means when he makes seemingly outrageous statements in his moronic way even if it isn’t taken out of context. I think it’s because I am a New Yorker too and I know the type.

    1. Mercy says:

      SMH, Have you watched Sara Cooper? If you haven’t you HAVE to watch. Shes does Trump. She does skits using his voice uncut. When you see his words coming out of someones else mouth you see how truly ridiculous he is. Its hilarious. Shes on Tik Tok, FB and Twitter.

      1. SMH says:

        Mercy, No I have never heard of her but I’ll look for her. Thank you. Trump is right out of a Scorsese film – a minor character. Not a mob boss.

      2. SMH says:

        Oh and Mercy, someone posted a Sarah Cooper video on FB. Hysterical!

        1. Mercy says:

          SMH, she’s awesome! There is one about Pence’s secretary testing positive. I about lost it.

  33. Dr. HQ says:

    I see a lot of the points that HG has made in his article. Many social psychology factors are at play as well. It’s actually more complicated than people think.

    In general, I think that this is a multilayered issue.

    1. I think the abuse of power within the police department has always been an issue
    –> Not all cops are bad but many abuse their power and cops are known to protect their own.
    –> There has to be better screening of officers
    –> Cops need better training in many areas. I have seen this with my own two eyes. One example would be with those who have mental health conditions. I have seen officers be provocative from the start and escalate situations. They often do not know how to speak to people or handle those with various mental health conditions. I have seen an officer question an intellectually disabled individual who was maybe 20 at the time and confuse her and make her feel as though she was lying or contributed to her rape. I had to step in – lets just put it that way. I have seen some messed up shit.

    2. I believe that racism continues to be an issue and many white people are unaware of their white privilege. Yup, I said it. I don’t necessarily think that Chauvin was motivated by racism but just he was a power hungry asshole piece of shit. This situation sparked racial issues that finally exploded. I would like to mention that I completely understand and acknowledge that racial profiling happens and that african americans are often treated unfairly by police.

    3. Covid – people getting sick, dying, being isolated, economic collapse

    4. Social Psychological factors – please refer to landmark studies in social psychology (note: this is not an exhaustive list, I’m throwing a few out there):
    –> ex: Milgrim (Obedience), Conformity (Ash), ZIMBARDO and the prison studies, The Kitty Genovese study – it just goes on and on.

    5. Narcissism

    No, I don’t support the looting and destruction of random shit. A lot of people are taking this vulnerable time to take advantage of a situation…
    –> so they can point fingers
    –> so they can act out.

  34. Dr. HQ says:

    I mean lemme add another perspective…

    Sure, Jesus could have been a narcissist. Jesus could have been schizophrenic or schizoaffective or bipolar I…

    He could have also been all those things that believers think he is…

    Today, a man says he hears the voice of god we are ready to commit him. Back in the day when people were not educated on mental illness and what not they thought maybe they were hearing god.

    Just sayin….

    Also, I would like to add that just because Vaknin is jewish doesn’t mean he lacks an understanding of jesus and all that jazz.

    I mean, everyone is entitled to what they wanna believe. I’m totally down with that but I’m throwing some alternatives out there.

    1. mommypino says:

      Dr. HQ, I agree that those are all logical possibilities. And I’m glad that you didn’t cherry pick at the possibilities by excluding that Jesus might indeed be who believers believe him to be.

      Just to clarify also about what I said with SV being Jewish, I am sure that there are many possible circumstances that a Jewish person will have an amazing understanding of Christian faith but in his case it was not apparent so I said that maybe it was because of his Jewish background and lack of Christian background. Just like my lack of knowledge in the Jewish faith is because I grew up in a largely Catholic country with very rare (if any) people practicing Jewish religion (I have never met any Jewish person in my home country). But I am sure that there are also cases that a Catholic person can be knowledgeable with the Jewish faith. But I still believe that one will not have the fullest understanding of a religion that they do not practice. Just my opinion.

  35. SMH says:

    Violetta, I can imagine that many academics are narcy but so are a lot of people in a lot of professions. Do what you do best and what makes you happy, without worrying about whether you will be recognized for it, as recognition usually comes to the loudest mouths and squeakiest wheels. If you really like teaching, why not go into secondary education? It could be very rewarding and would allow you to live anywhere you want, really.

    1. Violetta says:

      I have been applying for work at Catholic high schools that still teach the literary canon. The public system usually requires course hours in the college of education, and I doubt I could survive that bastion of mid-rangers long enough to get the credit hours.

      Who knows what will happen after Lockdown?

  36. SMH says:

    Oops. That’s right, lisk. My eyes sometimes get tired and I can’t see exactly what I write (that’s the truth – I even looked it up before I wrote it)

    1. lisk says:

      Well, you did mention SIS and M15. I just added the M16 because I have a need for some kind of symmetry or balance today.

      1. SMH says:

        lisk, Yes, SIS is MI16. Good catch anyway! HG’s work is probably related to cyber security, which is why he has umpteen phones and can be so sure that no one will ever be able to identify him with this blog.

        1. Witch says:

          He also said if he wanted to find out all our personal information, name, DOB, address, phone number, medical records etc he could 👀

          1. SMH says:

            Witch, I am sure that is the case. He knows who many of us are anyway, not that he cares, as we are mere mortals…

          2. Dr. HQ says:


            I mean it’s all boring information lol. Honestly, it’s pretty easy to find information on anyone these days. As for medical records – I have no idea where that come from. I don’t recall Tudes saying he could do that lol – maybe there was a misunderstanding or he was playing? Surely he knows that it is not possible to access everyone’s medical records across the world:

            1. There is no global database because we are still not interoperable

            2. The US has inacted HIPAA privacy and security rules as of 96 which protect 18 factors identified as PHI.

            3. Medical record number is one of these PHI items. This info is deidentified and encrypted when sent outside the hospital system.

            4. Health systems have dramatically improved their cyber security.

            5. Any breach of this data would be reported to the HHS and the patient would be notified.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            Humans are involved in the system therefore it has exploitable weaknesses.

          4. Violetta says:

            I doubt HG has any great interest in the results of anyone’s latest mammogram, although I suppose I could send him mine if he requested it, to save him the trouble of hacking the system

          5. HG Tudor says:

            You are correct, I have no interest.

          6. Love says:

            Dr. HQ is absolutely right. Medical records are not easily accessible for all the reasons she listed. And each record could be worth up to $20000 usd on the black market because of what can be done with the information within. Think of all the price gouging that is happening right now on medical supplies. Hydrochloroquine is selling on the black market for 500%-1000% above the normal price. So if you have access, then you must be a consumer of the Silk Road. And have lots of crypto currency on hand.

        2. FYC says:

          Might be some typos here (and you all know I make many typos), but just for accuracy, MI stands for Majesty’s Intelligence. So it is MI5 and MI6 not 15 or 16.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            No, it means Military Intelligence.

          2. FYC says:

            HG, Thank you for for correcting me! My error and poor assumption. I should at least be correct if I offer a correction! My apologies to all.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            Not a problem.

          4. SMH says:

            FYC, partially right – I do think ‘M-sixteen,’ even though I know it’s wrong! But it’s military intelligence. Oops I see HG already corrected it.

          5. Renarde says:

            Oh thank fuck the lord for that, FYC. Someone finally said it! That’s been gently amusing me all day.

            In fact during WW2, there were many branches of the MI unit. My personal favourite was MI19. For reasons.

            Ok I’ll tell. That branch brought in a of lot of NAZIs. High level ones. Who were in a house which was completely wired. Lots of intresting and fun things were found out. Contributed hugely to the war effort.

            I’m glad there have been delinations between MI5 and MI6. I was beginning to get worried there!

  37. SMH says:

    My guess is M15 – HG is always travelling – the work is overseas.

    1. lisk says:

      M15 is domestic.

  38. NarcAngel says:

    I was going to say she’d be stoned but I find whenever you get too specific someone will invariably bypass the gist and go into a full history of why stoning would not be correct followed by a lengthy and mostly unnecessary (in relation to the comment) history lesson.

    1. Violetta says:

      The Zeffirelli series Jesus of Nazareth actually has a scene of Joseph’s nightmare of Mary being dragged out of the city to be stoned if he doesn’t complete the marriage process by taking her into his home. He wakes up, agonizing what to do, when the angel appears to tell him all is Kosher.

      Some Church scholars claim that Joseph was reluctant because he thought himself unworthy to foster the Messiah, but I kind of like Zeffirelli’s take. CS Lewis said that the miracles of the Bible are not occuring to primitive people who don’t know how things work, but to people who recognize very well when something is NOT how it usually happens.

      I don’t know what I would think if I’d grown up in 1st-century Judea. Self-proclaimed Messiahs were 10 a penny (Monty Python got that right), and I imagine a lot of people just tried to keep a low profile, and avoid the Romans, the Pharisees, and whoever was the Messiah of the week. They may not have identified Mid-rangers with genuine delusions about their virtue or Greaters who knew they were full of camel dung, but they understood some people meant trouble.

      I suspect a lot of Roman soldiers were either Lessers who just liked beating people up, or non-narcs who needed a job and were dominated by Lessers.

      1. Claire says:

        In accordance with the Orthodox faith there is a special date in the calendar, 21st of November , Introduction to the Temple of the Holy Virgin. Saint Mary was 3 years old when she was introduced in the Temple. This was in accordance with ancient Jewish tradition that a child born from an elderly mother who given up the hope of having any children .
        Saint Mary was raised in the Temple ,thus any speculations about adultery or even premarital affairs are absolutely rubbish.

        Saint Mary is known as Mariam , mother of Isa and Tahira meaning “ One who has been purified “ .

    2. njfilly says:


      Personally I have no issue with being stoned. Oh wait, I think I misunderstood your comment.

      1. Witch says:

        Haha Nfilly
        “Have sex and get stoned” has a different meaning in the BC

        1. njfilly says:

          Yes, I agree. Although I do prefer those two activities in reverse order.

      2. Violetta says:

        Cue Cracker’s “Low” for the Gen-X folks and Dylan’s “Rainy Day Women” for the Boomers.

        1. njfilly says:

          Ha ha! Yes.

          I don’t particularly like Bob Dylan. I find his voice very irritating.

          1. Violetta says:

            Not a huge fan, but I liked his vocal approach better on “Lay, Lady, Lay,” and the poetry on “Desolation Row.” I heard DR for the first time in a vintage store, and pretended to shelf surf for 20 minutes just so I could hear the end of the song.

            But yeah, the whining sound has lent itself to much well-deserved parody. Bob Rivers (the “Twisted Christmas” guy) did an entire album-length spoof of Dylan’s style.

          2. njfilly says:

            That’s funny Violetta. If I heard Bob Dylan singing for 20 minutes I might actually leave the store due to that! I don’t know the words to any of his songs because I can’t get past the whiny voice. I’m not familiar with Bob Rivers either. I’m sure it’s funny though.

  39. SMH says:

    Violetta, That made me laugh. Deserves an emoji🐢. Would be better with no neck, but that’s all I got for ya!

  40. Violetta says:

    There are definitely some celebrities jumping on the bandwagon here, just to establish their Woke credentials. Remember that moment in “Heathers” when Shannen Doherty’s given interviews to every network in town, with the same suitably tragic expression in each one?

    At Floyd’s funeral, there was a VIP section. His 6-year-old daughter Gianna, however, was in the third row.

    HG’s description of narcs hijacking funerals (I forget which article–K?) has multiple public examples. There’s a photo of the Mayor kneeling next to the coffin, crying hysterically. Locals say his tears had less to do with grief than embarrassment at having the whole world know what a lousy job he’s been doing.

    And then there’s Al Sharpton. Google “Freddie’s Fashion Mart.”

    1. lickemtomorrow says:

      OMG, Violetta, you won’t believe this but one of the last convos I had with my narc was about that movie! I had never seen it or heard of it, and how’s this for more ‘synchronicity’ … it turned up on my TV last night as I scrolled through movie options. Why I am mentioning it, (apart from the apparent trigger that ensued) is that as I watched it I could see the narcissistic/psychopathic traits of Christian Slater’s character as the movie played out. It was obvious he was a psychopath, but I detected several malign hoovers, projection, blame shifting, gaslighting, etc as I watched. I would never have seen any of those things before coming here. My narc said he liked Winona Ryder (no problem there, I like Winona Ryder, too). But I also wonder if he didn’t recognize and like to see himself in that movie. At this stage, I wouldn’t put it past him.

      Sorry to distract from the thread, but that was just too much of a coincidence to ignore.

    2. lisk says:

      I never watched Heathers, but the person who I pictured as I read “when Shannen Doherty’s given interviews to every network in town, with the same suitably tragic expression in each one?” was Meghan Markle.

      Am I on or off the Markle there?

      1. Violetta says:

        I’m thinking you’re dead-on, but she’s not the only one.

  41. SMH says:

    Makes sense given what you have said, your government work and your mission to break up an international sex trafficking/pedophile ring, HG. You must work in Intelligence. SIS or M15.

    1. Narc noob says:

      One such ring has been uncovered today. M15? Hmmm.

    2. lisk says:

      Yeah, my vote goes for M16.

      1. Fiddleress says:

        Hey, Lisk, this is what I thought too: MI6 !

  42. FYC says:

    Narc Noob, I cannot reply in place to your comment, but it’s good to learn that you will be able to assist your friend to gain access to the world’s best expert on narcissism. Well done.

    1. Narc noob says:

      Thanks FYC.

      Some need more reassurance they are on the right path than others 😉

  43. SMH says:

    Indeed, K. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  44. SMH says:

    Yeah for narcs policing is a godsend. Are you some kind of cop, HG? Let me guess – INTERPOL.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I have knowledge of the law, yes.

    2. truthseeker6157 says:

      SMH, I thought the same, but changed my mind. MI5, Interpol, MI6 don’t get paid enough. You don’t amass wealth to buy numerous properties, one being in London if you work in that kind of business. Unless he is old money. That is possible.

      1. SMH says:

        Truthseeker6157, Depending on his skills and experience, he could be paid quite well. Plus he does come from old money. He is very posh.

  45. Fiddleress says:

    As I am going back to work next week, I will certainly be talking about George Floyd and the mass demonstrations and riots across the USA. I will not be using/copying HG’s work, because I would quite simply never do such a thing. But I am curious to hear what the students have to say.

    What I am really aiming at here is this: France is not among the countries that have had many demonstrations at all in support of George Floyd, contrary to other countries. I think this is because we would have a bloody cheek doing so: Amnesty International has pointed the finger at this country for the rising police brutality we have been subjected to since 2013 in particular. And the targets include people of all colours, who have been killed or maimed for life. When the victim is black or north-African, we also have riots in the outskirts of Paris mainly. And I could completely apply HG’s article to those situations, it gave me insight into this too.
    But there was a big demonstration (20,000 people at least) two days ago in Paris, in reference to the case of a black man who was killed by the police two years ago, and this was inspired by what is taking place in the US just now.

    I know your cops in the US are no more pleasant than ours, but pigs will fly (pun intended) before you see a French policeman put a knee to the ground in solidarity with any victim, here. I was impressed by that gesture on the part of some American policemen.

  46. SMH says:

    Wow, K. But just another example of abuse behavior under the guise of authority/a badge.

    1. K says:

      The Priests wore full collar shirts and cassocks and Nuns wore habits (facade) and they were violent and sadistic and the police are no different.

  47. SMH says:

    Me neither, K. I used to be surrounded on three sides by cop neighbors. Only one of them was a halfway decent person, though I never worried about burglars, that’s for sure! Upside.

  48. SMH says:

    Violetta, I hear you but I think more people are now seeing Trump’s weaknesses. Hiding in a bunker did not look very macho, did it? Clear now that it’s all an act. One also hopes that POC will vote in huge numbers to overcome any R attempts to steal the election, though maybe they will be satisfied by then with all the wealth they have stolen from the country.

    I would like to see Liz as VP pick too. Not sure about Harris. She’s some sort of cop after all, right? In any case, I will work to GOTV this fall. I canvassed and was a press volunteer for O, round one (bit disillusioned by round two), and will do it for Biden as well. Got to get rid of turtle face too. Maybe I’ll relocate to Kentucky, God forbid.

    1. Violetta says:


      The fact that I knew you meant McConnell when I saw “turtle face” is just sad.

  49. SMH says:

    Educational fair use, Violetta. I am sure HG would not mind, though copyright laws are different in the UK.

    1. Violetta says:

      I think I’ll just ask, if the opportunity to teach his material arises. My vocal coach tried to reassure me I would teach again, but I think that may only be at medieval/Renaissance reenactments, where I’ve done Chaucer and Shakespeare classes. I’ve been applying for publishing and government jobs, because if the system rewards people like my narcy grad school nemesis, whom I made the mistake of googling the other night, it sure-shit doesn’t want me.

  50. Emextraordinaire says:

    So I just read this for a third time with a friend…. it gets better & rings more true. Share!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      HG approves

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