The Errors of the Ignorant – No. 1


A series based on the comments made by people who fail to understand the true nature of narcissists and the narcissistic dynamic. Whilst these comments may be well-intentioned, they are incorrect, perpetuate misunderstandings and in many cases create false hope, dashed expectations and perilous outcomes.

It is a common response by those who fail to recognise our kind and also have no understanding of what we are and how we operate to tell the bewildered victim that the cure to our odd and unpleasant behaviour is to shower us with love.

Note that here the timing is important. We are devaluing you and therefore you are already on that slippery slope towards dis – engagement.

If, as someone who has been ensnared by one of our kind, you turn to somebody who is empathic for advice to understand what is going on, you will fall foul of their empathic trait of being a love devotee. This belief in the power of love, whilst a good trait in itself, is corrupted to become a burden when it is added to the equation with our kind. This near slavish belief in the fact that love will conquer all ills and overcome all problems results in an understandable, albeit misguided, injunction to apply more love to the problem with the narcissist.

It is not going to work. It is too late.

This is suggested most often with regard to the romantic dynamic between victim and narcissist. The advisor fails to recognise that the temper tantrums, the silent treatments and the name-calling, amongst so much else, are manifestations of the ignited fury of a wounded narcissist and instead attribute them to something else – it does not matter what the chosen descriptions might be because they are wrong. This means that the advisor fails to identify that the victim is in the grip of a narcissist in this romantic entitlement. They also fail to recognise what this means in terms of behaviour and as a consequence they see the application of love as a panacea which will cure all ills. This does not work with our kind.

There is no issue in providing us with more and more love during the golden period. Indeed, this is what we want and as a consequence of that approach you provide us with plenty of positive fuel. All is well. Of course, your confusion and bewilderment begins when we start to devalue you and you cannot understand why it is happening. Thus, you turn to someone else, some advisor, to try to gain answers for these unfathomable behaviours, volte faces and about turns.

The devaluation may occur for several reasons, when in the romantic dynamic between narcissist and Intimate Partner Primary Source (“IPPS”) but in the majority of cases it is because of the failure by the IPPS to maintain fuel at the right level of frequency, quantity and potency.

If you love us more and therefore provide us with more positive fuel during devaluation then there are several outcomes which can occur, but ultimately they all arrive at the same place; failure.

  1. If the problem was that your positive fuel was not stale but you were not providing it as often and as in the quantities we wanted, then an extra push of loving behaviour from you will remedy the problem BUT only for a short while. You will be granted a Respite Period by the narcissist as your positive fuel shines once again and the golden period returns. This may last for a few weeks, perhaps months, but it will ultimately result in your finding yourself in the place detailed at point three below;
  2. If the drop off in your positive fuel was caused by quantity and frequency issues, then devaluation has begun and there is a risk that we have begun the process of engaging with finding your replacement. Dependent on how advanced those searches are and how effective the prospective replacements are responding, even though you increase the frequency and quantity it may not be enough to save you from continuing devaluation, because of the interaction with one or more Candidate Intimate Partner Secondary Sources. Thus, loving us all the more does not work and your devaluation continues;
  3. The problem may not be the frequency and/or quantity but the level of potency. We have, in essence, had too much of a good thing and our familiarity to your potent positive fuel means it has lost its allure. Consequently, by trying to give us more of something we have become ‘sickened’ to, is not going to work. It is like someone becoming tired of strawberry ice cream and you turning up with a huge tub of strawberry ice cream. You will not stop the devaluation. Even if you managed to secure a Respite Period (see one above) eventually the familiarity issue will appear and you will find yourself in a situation where the potency no longer is effective, no matter how hard you try to love us and show that that love and devaluation will continue.

The consequences of this is that advising somebody to continue to love and to show even more love for us are:-

  1. The creation of a false hope that the perplexing behaviour we engage in will end;
  2. Victims will remain in an abusive and misery-inducing relationship for longer than they need to;
  3. Exposure to potential harm – whether it is the physically explosive response of a Lesser Narcissist through to the enduring mind games and psychological torture of coupling with a Greater Narcissist. The risk is increased of some form of harm – sexual, physical, psychological and/or financial arising;
  4. A complete erosion of the victim as they keep giving and giving of themselves, spurred on by this apparent authority that love will provide them with the answer to the issue and make it all good;
  5. A further false hope whereby if a Respite Period has arisen, the victim is conned into thinking that this increased loving has been successful, when in actual fact all it has done is secure a stay of execution and most likely made the eventual resumption of the devaluation all the harder to endure;
  6. The pollution of the victim. At some point the victim will be dis – engaged with and the failure of this apparent panacea of applying increased loving runs the risk of creating cynicism so that the victim feels unable to and/or unwilling to ever try to love anybody else again in a romantic sense.

This advice provided by somebody who is ignorant about what we are is tantamount to saying to somebody, “Stay in the burning house because eventually the fire will stop and you will then be okay.”

If you are in the romantic dynamic with our kind, all the continued provision of your love when the devaluation has already commenced will achieve is to cause you to be bound to us and it signals to us that there is more negative fuel to be drawn from you because of your desperation to remain with us and to try to apply love to cure a situation which has now become one which cannot be cured.

19 thoughts on “The Errors of the Ignorant – No. 1

  1. C★ says:

    It never fuckng works out and no one ever “gets it”

  2. Caroline says:

    Good info! If I ever did before, I shall never again imply “love more” is the answer for relationship angst. If anything, I’m starting to see narcissists everywhere. Maybe I’ll calm down…eventually.

    Out of curiosity regarding the cycles, would a CIPSS be subject to a less obvious devaluation period – but more like little tests and corrective silent treatments, but always intermixed with goldenishness?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      A Candidate IPSS would face small tests but they would not be devaluation, merely probing the extent of the narcissist’s control. If the CIPSS is promoted to IPPS, then devaluation will follow in due course.

      1. Caroline says:

        Thanks, HG.

  3. Insatiable Learner says:

    HG, you are referring to the 5 triggers of devaluation article. One of these is “total control” and states the following: “You become relegated to the reliable and dependable, because you are actually doing precisely what we want, but through our warped logic, this equates to you no longer being special. Thus we need to make you special to us once again and we do this through devaluation.” Does this only apply to IPPS and not secondary sources? Thank you!

  4. Sandra says:

    To quote Game of Thrones in reference to one of MANY narcissists from every conceivable school and cadre combination:

    “There is no cure for being a cunt”.

    That’s my current mantra when I feel The Mixture activating in me.

    GOT for anti-narc therapy while I have hidden myself N/C has been helpful.

  5. shantily says:

    Such a valid point ..taking your relationship issues to a friend or a family member who has never encountered your kind or who is as you say ignorant…keeps you in the relationship longer than you should> I don’t know how many times I’ve screenshot conversations and emails from the ex narc only to be told… I just don’t see it Shan? He seems to not be taking ownership but saying you’re doing something to rock the boat…… are you sure you’re not doing something to bring this about? You always were so sensitive growing up etc. And I’d shove the message or evidence again under their noses don’t you see what he’s saying??? Maybe you’re reading to much into it dear- their advice was always be tolerant don’t react so defensively, tone it down, turn the other cheek, let him be, what does it matter let him say that, just ignore him, you’re like a dog with a bone let it go, just be NICE!!! spin spin spin

  6. Scout says:

    After the GP ended, I was subjected to devaluation to a greater or lesser degree most frequently. Reading this has triggered bad memories. I’m astonished I held out for as long as I did.

  7. Salome says:

    “It is not going to work. It is too late.”
    Before devaluation it is NOT to late to help the Narc?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      There is, ultimately, no helping us.

      1. Noname says:

        “There is, ultimately, no helping us”.

        Tudor, my dear man. If you want it, if you really want it, if you viscerally want it, you’ll get it. Without any doubt.

        To get it, you need a good reason. Ideally, if that reason was “you”. You have to do it for yourself. Not because you want to be “better” for someone else. Not because you want to get something from someone. You have to do it exclusively for yourself.

        It is about QUALITY of your “internal life”. It is about “internal peace”. It is about “internal comfort”. It is about “internal harmony”. It is about “internal freedom”.

        All those things are worth to fight for.

  8. Red says:

    Thank you for this. Where in the dynamic does this apply if the narcissist in question feels that for “cover” they must be married? In this situation, the target has already been devalued but has now been given a respite period (after she discovered his cheating – again) and he is promising to stop the cheating and now wants marriage and co-habitation. Will this last until he gets these things or is that impossible since he has already devalued her?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      The respite period and the reinstatement of a golden period will last for as long as the ‘white’ thinking remains in place. Thus until one of the triggers for devaluation occurs again (please see the article ‘5 Reasons Why We Devalue You’).

  9. Arshalys says:

    You brought up the strawberry ice cream comparison before. For me, I can eat strawberry ice cream for the rest of my life if I like strawberry ice cream. That’s the problem.

  10. Noname says:

    Excellent idea. Excellent lecture. Laconical and clear. Bravo, Professor Tudor!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Thank you.

  11. narc affair says:

    The bottom line is narcissism is a cycle. You cant stop the cycle. In many cases if you withdraw your love that can also trigger a golden period but in the end the cycle cannot be stopped. We are toys to a child and the child will put the toy down for another toy and pick up the toy thats us again at some point. Its a cycle and that cant be changed.

  12. jenna says:

    Wow! What a series!!! I’m in love!!!!
    This will b v useful to me!!

    Post hoover, i took him back as a friend upon his request. But, i was actually happy to have him back in my life as i was missing him. And yes, i told him that i still love him no matter if he’s a narc. But he said he doesn’t like being loved. It makes him feel like he is not free.

  13. EasyBreezy says:

    Wow. Just wow.

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