Taylor Swift : A Very Performing Narcissist?

103 thoughts on “Taylor Swift : A Very Performing Narcissist?

  1. Sarah says:

    My daughter met Taylor backstage at a meet and greet. She and her friends went to a concert, I guess it’s been 10 years, And they were approached by people who asked them if they wanted to meet Swift. It’s worth noting that these people were in their mid twenties and at this point Taylor was very still much a teeny bopper draw. Too, this was back when you could pay another 500 or so (or more) for a backstage VIP experience.

    They were given wrist and they went back stage and were having pizza and the like when Taylor came in. I guess she was pleasant enough, but even then I wondered if they had recruited my daughter and her friends because not enough parents had paid for the back stage Vip experience, and her team would not want Swift to know that.

    Wish there were ways to upload the picture!

  2. Brit Watcher says:

    This is great. I just rewatched Blank Space and Look What You Made Me Do after listening to this and it’s really something how much fun TS has with her narcissism. Makes you root for her all the more, to be honest! Curious, HG Tudor, what you make of her more recent developments as an artist with her low key, pandemic albums, as well as her seemingly stable, long-term current relationship (also low-key)? Can a narcissist grow out of some of the more destructive elements of narcissism and settle down in a stable relationship?

    This whole website has got me thinking about myself when I was younger (like, age 8-14) and wondering if I grew out of narcissistic traits, if that’s possible. Or if what I perceive as possible narcissism back then was just normal development.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      No, your empathic traits overtook your narcissistic ones, you still have narcissistic traits.

  3. lickemtomorrow says:

    Shout out to my girl Taylor Swift on winning “Album of the Year” at the Grammy’s 🙂

    She is a very performing narcissist indeed, and is the first woman to win the award three times! (Frank Sinatra and Simon & Garfunkel being the only other two).

    I feel like celebrating with a song from her Grammy winning album (if HG will let me!) and thank you MB for bringing the album to my attention. So many great songs from the Greater <3


  4. Logi Bones says:

    She is amazing… <3

    1. HG Tudor says:

      Narcissists are amazing too (though not all).

  5. doforluv1 says:

    HG ? I Could you do the singer The Weeknd , I think he could be a middle Greater

  6. BC30 says:


    I wondered, what songs may have been written by empaths, and I am convinced that the greater portion of ABBA’s catalog was written by empaths.

    “Does Your Mother Know” is an obvious contender, not lyrics I would expect to be written by a pervy N lacking boundaries and accountability. They’ve been on repeat for three days now.

    I may be wrong, but that’s my two-cent conclusion..

    1. A Victor says:

      I really hope you’re right! I am not big on pop songs to begin with but ABBA is one group I came to love as a child, not sure where I even heard them, but they can’t be narcissistic! I will ignore it, in this case, if it turns out they are!

    2. alexissmith2016 says:

      I’m not that familiar with many ABBA songs, I know the big hits of course. But as I understand it Bjorn (a likely N) wrote ‘A winner takes it all’ and made Agnetha sing it. Sounds like an act of control to me. I suspect Agnetha is an E. But ABBA was before my time so not something I’ve given huge amounts of thought to.

  7. Empath007 says:

    Well since Taylor and I are at a very safe distance from one another all I can say is… Go Taylor ! Someone’s got to be out there fighting against Sexism. And who better then a Middle Greater Narc who’s famous and influential.

  8. BonnieLou says:

    She met her match when she got seduced by Harry “I knew you were trouble” Styles..😉

  9. BC30 says:

    The internet is atwitter that she made a “signal” that she is a victim of domestic abuse. A hand signal some say she used while appearing on Jimmy Kimmel Live. If she did, it was done with a specific intent.

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I suggest you hijack the twitter gabble with a link to my video.

      1. Asp Emp says:


    2. lickemtomorrow says:

      What is this hand signal you speak of, BC30?

      1. BC30 says:

        Hold your hand up, palm open as if you are going to wave. Fold your thumb onto your palm, then fold your four fingers over your thumb. You end up with a closed fist, but your thumb is tucked inside. When she was making this signal she was talking about codes, like secret messages and such.

        I think the fact that she was talking about Easter eggs and hidden messages in her music and art in the interview is what made people think that she was making the special signal and not that she just happened to close her hand in that manner.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Maybe her thumb was cold.

          1. lickemtomorrow says:

            She was tucking it in to keep it warm 🙂

        2. lickemtomorrow says:

          Thanks, BC30. We know she came from a LOCE environment, so it’s possible. Unless she is just aware of the code and used it as an example without saying that. Curious.

          1. BC30 says:

            Honestly, knowing she’s a Greater, I think she’s just messing with us.

        3. Asp Emp says:

          It does sound like part of the sign “shit”. People are saying things that may not necessarily be factually correct. Maybe she used to suck her thumb as a child and was ‘replicating’ that by doing what she did at this time.

  10. lickemtomorrow says:

    Do you mean this comment, HG?

    “Hiding in plain sight and laughing at all you victims”

    I guess that sums up the Greater Narcissist. Definitely have the wool pulled over my eyes!

    1. HG Tudor says:

      I do and of course the lyrics to “Blank Space”.

      1. lickemtomorrow says:

        They are clues 🙂

        Another reason to improve our cluehunting skills.

        Thank you, HG.

      2. Empath007 says:

        ha !

        Boys only want love if it’s torture.
        Don’t say I didn’t warn ya

        This lead my train of thought to gender differences though and how this affects the females ability to seduce men. Are the lower and middle range female narcissist less affective at finding empath men (I would assume empath men are not exactly a dime a dozen). Therefore they more often have to deal with normals and narcissits who are not as affected by them ?

        1. HG Tudor says:

          There are plenty of empathic men.

          1. Empath007 says:

            Really ? I have not experienced this in my own life. Most all men I meet are normal or narcissists. Also, since society regards empathetic traits as “weak” I would imagine the narcissist women often seeks someone she regards as more powerful ? … there has got to be some gender differences at play here, men, for the most part, still hold a lot of the cards. Part of the reason there has yet to be a female president of the United States. I’ve witnessed a mid range female narc float from relationship to relationship and she was not good at identifying empaths and often went for normal and narcs. When she finally did land a empath, the difference in how she treated him vs the others was alarming. Suddenly she wasn’t afraid to show he true colors and abuse him, but with the narc she dated she was always sweet as pie. The man still had the upper hand (he was also a different school then her and more aware).

      3. JB says:

        Just googled these lyrics, as I know nothing about Taylor Swift. Eye-opening!

  11. FoolMe1Time says:

    Was David Bowie a greater?

    1. HG Tudor says:

      You shall have to use Know the Narcissist, FM1T!

      1. FoolMe1Time says:

        Thanks HG.
        I tried to find it and wasn’t able to, that’s why I ask you. Apologies if it is something you already answered.

        1. HG Tudor says:

          Do you mean you cannot find the relevant item in the Knowledge Vault FM1T?

          1. FoolMe1Time says:


          2. FoolMe1Time says:

            No I cannot find the relevant item in the knowledge vault. However, now that I know it is in there someplace I’ll keep looking. Thank you HG.

          3. HG Tudor says:

            There you go https://gum.co/vCWsW

          4. FoolMe1Time says:

            Thank you HG. You’re the best! Xx

          5. HG Tudor says:

            You are welcome.

    2. Alexissmith2016 says:

      What prompts you to ask that question FM1T? If you don’t mind my asking. I’m interested to know how other peoples thought processes work.

      1. FoolMe1Time says:

        No problem Alexis2016. I saw it was the anniversary of his death on Facebook the other day. I figured he had to be a narcissist because I absolutely loved him! I just didn’t know anything else.

        1. A Victor says:

          I loved him too. I was always so happy he stayed in a seemingly happy marriage.

          1. BC30 says:

            “Seemingly”…I’m curious about it. I was researching Iman a couple days ago. Gorgeous.

          2. A Victor says:

            When it comes to marriages, I never assume. Everyone thought my ex and I were the happiest, most in love couple on the planet. And yes, she is gorgeous!

          3. A Victor says:

            BC30, I think I see what you mean, I worded that poorly. I always tend to admire Hollywood or otherwise famous people who are married for a long time. I should’ve said I was always so happy for he and Iman that they were happily married, or at least it appeared so, for such a long time. I think that’s better?

    3. Renarde says:

      FM1T and Alexis

      For sure, Bowie was a very intresting character. In fact, I became a tad obsessed with him this summer.

      China Girl is a very intresting song. Especially with the video.

    4. WhoCares says:

      Oooh, good question FM1T…you have me wondering.

      1. FoolMe1Time says:

        I still don’t know the answer WC. I’ve been to busy and have not had enough time to check it out.

        In case I don’t have time to drop back in WC, hope you have a wonderful Christmas and a peaceful New Year !😘💞

  12. lickemtomorrow says:

    Oh, thank you WokeAF 🙂

    I put her in the mid range due to her seeming lack of awareness (e.g. the song about narcs!) Maybe she is aware and that’s why she wrote the song. She is pulling the wool over our eyes 😉

    1. HG Tudor says:

      She is, hence the comment at the end of the video/article.

      1. Bibi says:

        I thought ‘Blank Space’ was a pretty clever video and song. And how about ‘The Man’? That too was funny. Insights into narcissism, indeed.

        Her music is ok to me. I don’t go out of my way to listen but if her song is on it doesn’t bother me.

        1. Bibi says:

          I subscribe to ‘word of the day’ email.

          Then I am just like, who the fuck would say this? Who would use this in a sentence? I don’t think I want to be friends with them.

          Part of speech: noun
          Origin: Latin, mid 19th century

          The art or practice of bell-ringing.

          Examples of Campanology in a sentence

          “We knew he played the piano, but his expertise at campanology surprised us.”

          “The art of campanology is kept alive during the holiday season.”

          Literally, who the fuck talks like this? Nothing to do with Swift, but sometimes these words are ridiculous.

          1. HG Tudor says:

            This word is not ridiculous at all. It is the correct term for someone who engages in bell-ringing. I was a campanologist when I was a child.

          2. Asp Emp says:

            Wow, HG. Very few people do that these days.

            There is something about church bells ringing in small villages, it’s a change from towns / cities where there is too much traffic or people noise. I lived in a temporary flat for a while in a really small village and it was close to a church and I’d hear the bells ringing (even when the windows were shut – laughing). It was strange moving there for a while after leaving London 20 years ago – the people knew I was an ‘outsider’ and were so damned nosey “Oh, you’re not from around here” – they wanted to know EVERYTHING but I didn’t know them so I gave them nothing.

            HG, you have so many skills & it’s great that you were a campanologist.

          3. Bibi says:

            Oh Cripes. I knew you would say that. Really? A campanologist?

            You used that word in your youth? Like, in sentences? When I was growing up no one ever spoke like that.

            They were too busy watching prime time and getting drunk.

          4. HG Tudor says:

            Yes. I learned what it meant because the head teacher asked me what it meant and I didn’t know, so I looked it up in the library. We were the handbell team and didn’t know it was called campanology. After that, I did and the next time he asked, I had the answer.

          5. lickemtomorrow says:

            That’s so interesting, HG. Campanology looks very physical so I’m not sure what bells they had you ring or how old you were, but it is a very important tradition. They say demons don’t like the sound of bells ringing, but I don’t think that is the reason most churches have them. And I’m guessing it was church bells you were ringing.

          6. HG Tudor says:

            No, hand bells.

          7. lickemtomorrow says:

            Thank you for clarifying, HG. I’ve seen some performances of hand bell being rung and it looks like quite a complex task. I wonder if you being ambidextrous made any difference?

          8. HG Tudor says:

            We all played with two bells. I could read music from aged 5 so I actually joined the handbell team one year earlier at age 9, when normally you did so at 10. I played for two years. Jesu Joy of Man’s Desiring was my favourite piece.

          9. Asp Emp says:

            Read music from aged 5? Just brilliant.

          10. Bibi says:

            And for a word about ringing, it has a terrible ring to it. Clunky AF. Terrible word.

            It’s like ‘buttress.’ What a horror show that is. I think that is my least fave English word. That, and rubber.

          11. HG Tudor says:

            It comes from Campana which is Latin for bell. I think it sounds better if you say it in an Italian way, than English.

          12. BC30 says:

            This is when I’m grateful that I speak a Romance language. I deduced the meaning.

            I really want to learn another language and was going to begin classes before the pandemic.

          13. Bibi says:

            Thank you for your response, HG. I am so pleased to hear you looked it up. As I mentioned, it is not a word one hears, at least when I was growing up. My early upbringing was not as astute as yours. Needless to say, I know what the word means now.

            Such is learning.

            My point was that every so often I get these words get sent to me where I don’t know WTF they mean. But in the back of my mind I think, ‘I’ll bet you HG does.’

            And I was right!! You knew!!!

            Fuckin’ A.


          14. lickemtomorrow says:

            Thank you for sharing more on that, HG. That was very young in terms of being able to read music and you obviously were talented to make the grade a year earlier. Jesu Joy of Man’s Desiring is a beautiful piece.

          15. HG Tudor says:

            Thank you.

          16. Bibi says:

            HG, that makes sense. Do you know what one of my biggest regrets is? Not taking Latin when I was 14. I can’t even tell you what a mistake that was.

            Yes, while I could take it now, blah blah, etc., That is not the point. I have missed out on all the memories in the interim. It was a terrible, terrible choice.

            Instead I took DOS computer programming. How horrible. And guess who recommended that shit? Socio Lesser Daddy.

          17. HG Tudor says:

            I studied Latin between the ages of 11 and 13.

          18. WhoCares says:

            You were in a handbell choir HG?

            Well, never in a million years would I have guessed we had that in common.

          19. HG Tudor says:

            Team for me as I am British, but I understand you would call is a choir or an ensemble. Well, now I can write to you, I used to play handbells does that ring a bell with you WC?!

          20. WhoCares says:


          21. Bibi says:


            You just said the same thing my Spanish speaking friend said. “I didn’t know the word, I deduced the meaning,” is what he said.

            As an American, I don’t speak anything.

          22. Bibi says:

            Sciency pal wrote me: “campanologist. Is the study of sounds caused by vibrations. I think I heard about it in physics class.”

          23. HG Tudor says:

            Good pun.

          24. Asp Emp says:

            “campanologist. Is the study of sounds caused by vibrations” – oh? Sounds like my kind of language.

          25. lickemtomorrow says:

            I was going to start Tai-Chi before the pandemic. I had no idea all those slow movements add up to an awesome option for self defense.

          26. NarcAngel says:

            Sorry to interrupt…

            HG – call for you. Someone named Anita Ward. Sounded urgent.

          27. HG Tudor says:

            Ha ha…for me? Yay! Go me!

          28. JB says:

            I love that you looked it up, HG. Even easier to do nowadays, with Google, etc. I am always googling different things, can’t stand not knowing what something means!

          29. HG Tudor says:

            Indeed, knowledge, correct knowledge is valuable.

          30. Asp Emp says:


          31. NarcAngel says:

            ” I studied Latin between the ages of 11 and 13.”

            Do you remember her name?

            I learned a little Latin from gardening and wished it had been offered in my school. It’s fun to see the look on someone’s face when the ask what that vine is on my obelisk and I say:

            Ampelopsis Brevipedunculata instead of Porcelain Berry Vine. Also, I cleaned up once at a garden sale because all of the tags were in Latin (but I spent most of the time explaining what the plants were to people).

          32. HG Tudor says:

            Ha ha, Benedicta Bugeranus (and yes the last name is Latin, it is the scientific name for the Wattled Crane)

          33. fox says:

            That’s about the extent of my Latin knowledge too, NA. I’m a big plant nerd. That and the songs we sang in chorus when I was younger, but those were mostly just “kyrie eleison” over and over.

          34. NarcAngel says:

            Benedicta Bugeranus

            Sounds more fitting for a member of Clergy than a bird.

          35. HG Tudor says:

            Oh undoubtedly there is someone in the clergy nicknamed that, NA.

          36. BC30 says:


            I love that you have singled out words! I do it too. I dislike “moist,” but “silver” is a big fave.

            I tried to learn Arabic (complete fail!), so I think I will stick to romance languages. I also play the piano… I think. Haha I haven’t played in decades, mostly due to lack of piano, but I’m sure it would all come back to me.

            #1 was too handsome to care about being multilingual. #2 claimed to know a number of other languages…but he clearly did not.

          37. NarcAngel says:

            A guy can be posh and speak 7 languages, but if he’s not fluent in cunnilingus he’s dead to me.

          38. HG Tudor says:

            You just learn to speak with your mouth full and all will be well.

          39. JB says:


          40. JB says:

            Think my reply to you (HG) went in the wrong place! I meant ‘agreed’ to what you said about correct knowledge being valuable, not to your comment about learning to speak with your mouth full!

          41. A Victor says:

            That’s quite the mistake JB. I thought you were being very forthright. ☺️

          42. JB says:

            AV, I know! Thought I had better clarify! 😁🙈

          43. A Victor says:

            JB, good call! But I was falling asleep last night and this popped into my head and I busted out giggling! It wasn’t intended but I appreciate the giggle!

          44. JB says:

            Ah I am glad it made you laugh, AV! You can’t beat a good chuckle!

          45. Sarah says:

            I was part of the handbell choir as a child. Loved it!

      2. Sarah says:

        To me, it seems sociopathic as well…

  13. lickemtomorrow says:

    I’ve had my say on Taylor very recently, but listening to this (and enjoying it) after reading the article as well I am intrigued again at the very short length of her relationships for the most part. I wasn’t too focused on those before, but they stick out like a sore thumb now. Ouch! Poor guys. Interestingly she has a song about narcissists – with the word in the song. In fact, it’s in the first line: “I never trust a narcissist, but they love me …” I guess she’s just loving herself there 🙂

    I don’t know if we have her school or cadre, but she would appear to be an unaware mid range narcissist, hence her ability to call others the narcissist (although she would be right about Kanye West). I had a giggle when I was reminded of the Taylor (Lautner)/Taylor (Swift) combo. Curious to know if any of her entanglements were with other narcs, which could very well be likely in the industry she is in. I’d say John Mayer might be a narc so I wasn’t too concerned at his sob story.

    Laughing still at the notion of a doll with a phone as per Joe Jonas 😛 She sure knows payback tactics and is the ultimate woman scorned.

    Her songs, their lyrics and her ability to hold her own in the dog eat dog world of music lends me to having a soft spot for her. She was young when she achieved fame and was likely coerced into it. She has been philanthropic and raised awareness around some important issues.

    I have to say I love her song “We are Never Ever Getting Back Together”, especially the line “this is exhausting. Like we are never ever getting back together” Exactly how I felt with my last narc with all the ups and downs and goes around. This song has put a smile on my face and a song in my heart again today <3

    1. WokeAF says:

      HG has her as a very self aware Middle Greater.

      1. WokeAF says:

        *of Elite cadre

        1. WhoCares says:

          Hi WokeAF,

          Thanks for sharing that.
          How are things going for you?
          How is school?

        2. BC30 says:


  14. Asp Emp says:

    HG’s article posted on 11th December – https://narcsite.com/2020/12/11/poison-in-thine-ear-no-1/
    breaking this particular song, showing ‘narcspeak’

    I attached the full song from YT – https://youtu.be/IZDReMwYM0Y

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