A Very Royal Narcissist 4 : Aftermath and Reaction
Detailed below is a short article from Jonny Dymond, a Royal Correspondent for BBC News. It is a useful article to analyse as it demonstrates the (understandable) responses of someone who is not familiar with the narcissistic dynamic, demonstrates common observations and questions which arise and demonstrates that how the issues are seen but the answers are never arrived at or are wrong. My observations appear in bold and italics and demonstrates principally two main points. As always for the Hard of Understanding, this is an article about the narcissist dynamic only.
1. The explanation for the behaviours of Meghan Markle driven by her narcissism (which commentators have failed to identify and understand), and
2. The impact of Emotional Thinking which results in Prince Harry failing to recognise what it happening (which is integral with regard to the victim of a narcissist and causes the victim to remain trapped in a continuing engagement with the narcissist rather than removing themselves from the world of the narcissist which is the only way of dealing with the narcissist)
“As the dust settles on the most revealing royal interviews since Princess Diana spoke to the BBC in 1995, this is still the reality that Harry and Meghan, and the rest of the Royal Family, have to live with.
Maybe this was a moment of release for Harry and Meghan,
a chance to tell the world about their unhappiness – the pressure she has felt under, (There is no pressure, there is only the perceived threat to her control, control being what the narcissist requires at all times. This may manifest as being seen by pressure by the narcissist but it is not. It is Fuel – the emotional response to the actions of the narcissist which is the lifeblood of the narcissist and where this fuel is provided in a way which challenges the narcissist in some way (for instance unfavourable press coverage) this threatens the narcissist. The narcissist consciously believes it to be pressure, but unconsciously it is a threat to the narcissists control and therefore the narcissist is duty bound to counter this perceived threat. In Meghan Markle´s instance, this was to roll out Pity Plays and to commence legal action.)
his anger at what he sees as a concerted newspaper campaign against his wife, (There is coverage of the Sussexes because people want to read about them, just as there has been coverage about many of the Royal Family many of whom have received unfavourable and critical coverage. Take a look at some of the headlines written about Kate Middleton and contrast her response, as a non-narcissist. Prince Harry is ensnared and therefore his Emotional Thinking is very high. This blinds him, as it always does to a victim of a narcissist, to the logic. Accordingly, as a combination of this obscuring of logic, combined with the complaints from his wife (whom he naturally feels loyalty to) and his own dislike of the media because of its treatment of his deceased mother (a damaged trait his Emotional Thinking will exploit as will Meghan Markle (unconsciously through her narcissism) Prince Harry sees the newspapers as the root of the problem. It cannot be escaped that some of the coverage is unpleasant and relentless, but it has been this way for many royals, but it is not the root of the problem, but Harry is led to believing it is.)
his struggles with his mental health, (There is no doubt that Prince Harry has mental health struggles and these are being exacerbated, as they always are by the continuance of his ensnarement)
the lack of support she feels she’s had from the rest of the Palace. (This is a combination of perception owing to the narcissist´s Black and White Thinking, “you are either with me, so if you are not, you must be against me,” the Sense of Entitlement (“I should be supported”), the need for control (the failure to provide support wounds the narcissist and threatens control) and there will be some lack of support from the rest of the Palace because there will be disapproval of what the Sussexes have been doing (Meghan Markle governed by her narcissism, Prince Harry affected by the instinctive manipulations of the narcissist) and thus the Palace distances itself from this behaviour.
Maybe this was a bid for public sympathy, an attempt to circumvent the filter of the newspapers that Harry so despises. (It most certainly was because that sought after public sympathy equates to the provision of fuel and allows the assertion of control, precisely what the narcissist must have)
But what’s baffling is what the couple thought they would achieve in the medium term. This looks like a triumph of tactics over strategy. (This is an accurate observation by the writer but does not go far enough. The vast majority of narcissists seek control in the MOMENT, not last week and not two months into the future. This instinctive and unconscious need for control is constant and this means that a narcissist will do and say anything and everything to assert that control and results in the narcissist being hypocritical, contrarian and inconsistent (although the narcissist is blinded to this). This is why a narcissist will embark on a course of a action in a divorce by issuing repeated court applications which ultimately are doomed and will end up diminishing available funds. The narcissism is not concerned about the success or failure of the application, it is not concerned about the future event of reduced funds, all it wants is to assert control NOW through the issuing of the court applications. This is why a narcissist will punch his boss in the moment. The narcissism is not concerned with the ramifications of that punch, namely the loss of employment (as and when that happens in the future, the narcissist will only blame that event on something or someone else – it can never be the narcissist´s fault) it only wants control over the boss by putting him on his back in that MOMENT. Accordingly, it is a triumph of tactics over strategy. Markle needs control in the moment, untroubled by what the medium or long term will be (those will be dealt with in the same fashion as and when they arrive) and thus embarks on a course of action that does indeed seem baffling.
It is not baffling. It is the narcissism at work in its usual fashion.
The cameras and flashbulbs won’t disappear now that Harry has said that they remind him of the worst side of his mother’s life. (Correct. Markle does not want them to disappear as they represent fuel. She wants the fuel to be one which signifies she has control ( see The 3 Key Interactions ) Harry, mistakenly led by his Emotional Thinking that the cameras and flashbulbs are the problem.
The newspaper columnists who have poured bile over the duke and duchess for so many months aren’t going to change their ways because Meghan says that Britain’s best-selling newspapers have not been fair. (Correct. They will continue to report and Markle does not want them to stop (Harry does and his ET makes him mistakenly think this can be achieved and that it is the media who he has to focus on). Markle wants it to continue just so long as she has control (see Love Me, Hate Me, But Never Ignore Me )
And the scrutiny of the couple – which has revealed some degree of say-one-thing, do-another – is not going to go away. In fact, it will probably increase. (The writer identifies the hypocrisy of the narcissist here, which demonstrates the necessity of control at all times, irrespective of whether this is consistent. It IS consistent in the alternate reality that is the world of the narcissist because the narcissism makes it appear consistent, justified and rational.)
Because these interviews are a double-edged sword. They give the participants a pretty clear run at putting their case to the public. But they give the couple’s critics an open goal too. (The interviews occur because Markle wants them in order to gather fuel and assert control. Harry goes along with them because he wishes to please his wife (and avoid the devaluing behaviour he will be subjected to behind the scenes, doubtless receiving comments such as “Don´t you want to support me?” (Guilt) “You should show how they are behaving like they did to your mother.” (Mirroring) “They are trying break us up, come between us.” (Triangulation) “If you do not do something this damage us.” (Threatened Loss).
How can Harry and Meghan now call for privacy and restraint on issues like his mental health or her well-being when they have gone on national television and discussed them both with a friendly interviewer? (Precisely. This contradiction is glaringly obvious to the external observer but from Harry´s perspective his emotional thinking blinds him to it and from Markle´s narcissistic perspective she only cares about control, not whether it is contrarian or hypocritical because from her perspective it is not and EVEN if you pointed this out to her in stark terms, she will not be able to see it because of her narcissism. Consider this, how many times do you hear of famous people complaining about the glare of publicity and you think to yourself “Well it is an occupational hazard, it comes with the territory. If it is so bad, do not complain to the media about what they do, go and become a hermit instead.” You will have thought this many times. Guess why? You are commenting on the behaviour of a narcissist because our kind are over represented in the famous and publicity hungry.)
It’s why every experienced royal adviser consulted about this would have urged extreme caution, to say the very least.
And it’s why there was such concern about the interview in other parts of the Royal Family. (Undoubtedly, but that concern will, owing to a lack of understanding, not realised what is actually behind this behaviour. The need for control of a narcissist and a victim of a narcissist blinded by his emotional thinking caused by his continue ensnarement by said narcissist.)
The BBC was told by a well-placed source that William was “furious” with Harry. A source close to Prince William said that that was not his understanding. But whatever the immediate response, there will also have been bafflement. (William may well have been furious and also baffled. Again because he does not realise what the dynamic actually is.)
One of the ways the brothers have diverged is in their attitude to the media. William understands that the newspapers and broadcasters are a hugely important part of getting the message out. (He does and he is not governed by emotional thinking because he is not subjected to the daily influence of a narcissist therefore he operates with logic as stated in the writer’s observation.)
Harry cannot get over his loathing for the people and institutions he blames for the death of his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales. He seeps anger at the press, in particular the best-selling newspapers. (William suffered the same loss as Harry but does not respond in the same way. Why? Because Prince Harry´s emotional thinking causes his logical response to be obscured and channels his loathing against the newspapers making him think that this is the legitimate root of the issue. It is not, he is failing to see where the problem really lies. Right next to him in bed (or in the adjoining bedroom if he is suffering the common devaluation of being banished to the spare room).
The relationship between William and Harry is irreparably changed. And the odds are, given the splitting of households and the charitable foundation, the establishment of separate diary and communications staff, relations will sour further.
It’s how it goes when you have different staffs and different objectives. They rub up against each other. (It is how it goes when one brother is abiding by logic as he is clear of emotional thinking and the other is governed by emotional thinking arising from his ensnarement with a narcissist.)
Two days after the interview aired the Sussexes struck back – an unnamed source speaking for or close to the clearly unhappy couple spoke to CNN. (A member of The Coterie unwittingly acting to assert control on behalf of Markle)
Alongside suggestions that the fuss over the interview was confected came an attack on the Palace and a slight to the Royal Family that will have come from one of their closest staff. (The actions through a proxy agent to assert control.)
The source told CNN “that the institution around the British Royal Family is full of people afraid of and inexperienced at how to best help harness and deploy the value of the royal couple”. (Grandiosity “the value of the royal couple”, combined with Insult and Provocation aimed at asserting control.)
The source said that Harry and Meghan “have single-handedly modernized the monarchy.” (Grandiosity, Magical Thinking)
The BBC has repeatedly asked to speak to the couple’s communications secretary, Sara Latham, but has had no response. (Silent Treatment through a Coterie Member.)
A friend of Ms Latham told the BBC that the comments defending Harry and Meghan, and criticising the Palace, did not come from her.
Briefing wars are rarely won. They trudge humiliatingly on, each side dipping a little lower with every response. And the Monarchy dips with them. The echoes of the unhappy Diana-Charles years are loud, and getting louder. (Indeed, the narcissist v empath dynamic does not and will never change, yet so many people do not realise what is unfolding before them.)
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WASP: I agree with you that what many in the general populace do not see it: that all of these post this and post that movements, will not work out in their favor. Because these `post` movements fly in the face of reality. But, it all has to play itself out. Who can stop it? Hahaha. And by the time many realize that these post this and post that movements have bankrupted the little that they did possess, there will be no turning back.
In the meantime, I am just going to hide myself a bit, while all the post this and post that movements, and the likes, create more and more chaos, confusion, and destruction, ironically to the very people that are following along with these teachings, and to the very people that are hostile towards anyone that say: Wait a minute! Those movements are not true and those movements are like Fairy Tales!
WASP: The post this and post that train has left the station, and it is a runaway train. I did not buy a ticket. It was full beyond its capacity anyway. With people hanging out the windows jeering and mocking those that decided to not take the ride with them. Hahaha. So, I am just trying to stay off the tracks, as these post this and post that trains and their ticket holders, speed furiously by. Yikes!!! lol.
Kathleen: I walked from Haworth to Stanbury once. Gorgeous, but don’t go off the path–ankle-deep sheep poo and knee deep bogs. Bring napkins or tp: none of the bathrooms work. If the rams menace you, don’t meet their eyes, but don’t be silent, or they’ll think you might be a predator. Cuss and mutter: they’ll think you’re a farmer and ignore you.
Actually, it’s like the NY subway a bit.
🤣😂🤣- Thank you for the tips regarding the rams! Noted. I do enjoy your observations!
All my life I’ve generally ignored the UK … Except for the fabulous music that came from over there. And now I am like why did I do that? Very much looking forward to visiting jolly old England. Of course I may be in a bit of a delusion but I aim to find out. I’m thinking flying to London look around a little and take a train north… Walk around in the middle of nowhere.Visit York and a castle or something back to London and out. I have heard there is an impressive automobile Museum at Sandringham…The royal collection. And of course I would hope to stumble upon a royal like the queen or Kate… Or maybe harry- I could slap some sense into him.😂 – I just watched a special documentary about Kate on Amazon prime… And how she is just the perfect woman and in the background several places there’s Harry by himself. he was probably a bit jealous that William found such a fine “normal” woman.I didn’t realize they dated for over 10 years William and Kate. Whereas harry rushed in. Or should I say MM rushed in?
Wasn’t Harry dating someone that he cast aside for Markle? Maybe she could re-enter the picture?Sorry for the rambling so much to discuss on this topic and about England/ UK.
PSE: Meghan is actually descended from royalty: Edward III. Problem is, so are a metric fuck-ton of other people. The guy had a dozen kids, not unusual in the middle ages, but enough of them survived (which was unusual) to wage the Wars of the Roses and be the ancestors of almost anybody whose British roots go back that far.
None of this, of course, has prevented her from being common as whale piss.
Nora and Kathleen: I absolutely believe that the RF wanted a sort of speed-bump to slow down and calm down the multi-cultural and multi-racial populace that wanted changed in the Monarchy, and were beginning to think or crashing the gate. I believe that the RF desired a marriage as soon as possible that would be a sort of fail safe, ( that really is not a change), but appears to the general populace as a change. Kate helped a little: She, from the last that I heard, at least was a pure commoner according to their system, while I hear that both Diana and Meghan both have aristocracy in their heritage.
The question is, will this addition of Meghan and Archie work? Is what the RF wanted, for their protection and self preservation as a monarchy, working? Henry is far from the crown anyway, but he married what the general populace think is a big change, and he has provided what the general populace considers a modern heir. In the short term, it looks like a mistake is made according to the tabloids. However, those Senior people in those monarchies plan for many generations ahead.
In the long term, it is a good move for the RF. What happens to Henry and Meghan, does not really matter for the Monarchy, long term, unlike Wills. Wills is important. Henry, not so much. Archie is the RF`s current trump card, or fail safe, for the long term. I think the BRF won this round, despite the short term chaos, and whether or not Henry survives it all.
Western Civilization: “What we call the West are the countries and peoples formed by the meeting of Greek philosophy, Roman law, and Hebrew religion.”
That’s an interesting revision of History when Hebrews were forced to the sidelines of Western Civilization’s dominant Christian Culture which built Europe.
I do agree there are forces who hate everything the Royal Family represents and are eager to bring on a Post-Christian, Post-Property Rights (dispossession of the Royal Family of it’s land would dissolve them), Post-Borders era. None of this will benefit the masses.
This opens a whole new view for me on this sordid affair. I wasn’t taken by surprise, but I wasn’t fully in the know. This blog is a cornucopia of knowledge and wisdom and I am stunned by the wealth of information about narcissism of which I happened to come across in the course of a Google immage search and this insufferibly smug mug popped up.
As I said, I didn’t share the enthusiasm for this union right from the start, not for any reasons of mental health, of which I had no idea, nor of “race” (to me, as a European, she looks “white” anyway) but for reasons of class. America is, by definition, on the whole a lower-middleclass society and if there is a class that clashes with the aristocracy in values, style and outlook it’s the lower-middleclasses.
I think she was planted to discredit the Royal Family.
Why?
Let me digress. The British Royal Family (I’m neither British nor American nor from a Commonwealth country) are one of the symbolic pillars of European/Western culture. Without the moral backbone of the Royal Family, Britain may have succumbed to Germany in WW2.
What we call the West are the countries and peoples formed by the meeting of Greek philosophy, Roman law, and Hebrew religion. There’s a lot of diversity within the West, but religion, ideas, art, literature, and geography set it apart from other civilizations. It has nothing to do with “race”. Every descendant of Africa and Asia who lives in the West and affirms the values that shaped Western civilization is a Westerner. Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald are as much children of the West as Johann Sebastian Bach and Ludwig van Beethoven.
Who might be her minders?
Postmodernism is the problem we are facing. It has two key elements: cultural relativism and postcolonialism. If you look for the people who have enough influence and funds to support this agenda – take your pick. George Soros’ “Open Society Foundation” is only one possibility among many.
What “they” needed was a woman who was ever so slightly not white, a ruthless social climber and in support of those “woke” ideologies, because that would render the Royal family utterly helpless. Hasn’t the accusation of “racism” become, whether justified or not, a razor sharp tool in the hand of the proverbial ape, i.e. the judgemental politically correct public and media? “They” knew that.
And so it happened.
Now I have a name for it: a narcissist.
P.S. And yes, from this point of view (which may be wrong) Prince Andrew’s shortcomings seem almost marginal.
I’ve seen a similar analysis. A kind of “conspiracy theory “ angle. That There are global forces that want to take down the royal family. It kind of ties into the idea that Putin and MBS and other dictators are pulling the strings of Donald Trump and family. As they work to dissolve the democracy of the United States by flouting every law. By having the department of justice and the Supreme Court in their pocket. What is left but a military coup- Which would turn the United States into a Third World country quickly… As an American I am very disappointed in what is going on. However I’m not entirely sure the democratic party is not at its power base also firmly corrupted. Money corrupts absolutely.
But I am torn between history and heritage and where the line is between racism and “eraseism” In that some people seem to want to eliminate the past realities and demonize Everything about it. Forgetting the context of history. I’m not a deep historian or super intellect but.. I can see how these theories can have some credence. I never thought so much about the royalty and it’s funny it coincides with me catching up in the last two months watching all of Downton Abbey and the movie and the crown. And I plan to continue binging on more British television shows/movies/documentaries. If any British have any suggestions let’s hear it. I plan to visit for my first time next fall and I am excited. I am thinking of a walking trip in the Yorkshire dales as my first trip but also had considered the welsh Coast and the east coast of England near Cleveland way. War by Hadrian’s Wall. I look forward to more of HG’s analysis of this royal kerfuffle.
Sir HG, can you please clarify what MeAgain plus one mean by the latest bombshell statement of “carving a progressive role within the royal institution, stepping back as senior royals and working to become financially independent?”
Yes. Please see a Very Royal Narcissist – Part 6.
Matter of seconds. Bravo, Master.
HG, what do you think about the whole Prince Andrew thing / interview. I think he’s telling lie after lie after lie. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Royal being questioned like that ever. His wording of lots of his answers including why he felt the need to tell Epstein in person the friendship was over amongst other answers all about himself. No regard what so ever for the trafficked or abused girls despite mentioning his work with the NSPC. All about himself. What a cringe interview. All this he doesn’t remember and the photo. He stayed and had dinner with a convicted sex offender . It was a convenient place to stay !! Yea it must be hard when your a member of the British royal family getting a hotel room or a rental place 🤔
He’s a complete liar !! Wonder what will happen. I bet there’s a lot more to this and a lot more names involved.
He may not have known the girls where trafficked but once he did , he went back !! Typical example of the rules don’t apply to the untouchables …. this is changing. Sounds a bit like Bill Clintons denial regarding Monica . Well done to that interviewer for not backing down.
If I have time, I will analyse his interview Lisa, but you were listening to a narcissist being interviewed. The “unbecoming” remark about Epstein, spoke volumes.
When Andrew said something along the lines of Once the story broke or once he found out , or however he phrased it . He then went on to say he couldn’t be associated to that due to his position. From what I have learned from you HG this is a typical example of a narc leaking the truth of how they think and not actually realising what they are saying. A non narc is disgusted by the behaviour of the individual. Narcs unknowingly leak these kinds of opinions all the time not realising their answers are self absorbed and not expressing a natural emotional reaction. Even if he did not know what Epstein was when he found out that should have been enough and I think he did have sex with that girl, he may not have known her circumstances but she is not lying in my opinion. I heard a whisper Clinton was also a good friend of Epstein.
Bad year for the Queen , new season of the Crown touches on her alleged affair it’s always been said Andrew is the result of that affair and Meghan and Harry not spending Christmas with the usual royals , Meghan didn’t pull that crap the first Christmas but now she has a baby she has more power for those sort of divide and conquer decisions
Indeed it was, HG.
It was really shocking actually. Like I’d be transported back to the 50s. Oh those halcyon days!
Lisa
Matlis was brilliant. I do hope that the BBC didn’t lie on this. That they did not give the questions before the interview.
I rather suspect they didnt. What has probably happened is that an aware narc sat the whole issue down and worked out the probable questions. That was then used as the basis to coach Andy. It took some fucking coaching…
Fair play, for an utter fucking semi epsilonic nutter, he did well. The reason he did well was because he had been COACHED TO DEATH on responses. Andy had to think on his feet. Because hes a narc, he would have had to stimulatiously quell his natural fury AND respond in a half way house of plausability.
What Matlis did was brilliant. She threw him so many lifelines which he grabbed like the drowning man he was. However, cunt didn’t know which questions where going to be posed when. That’s why you see curious blank missteps at times when hes accessing what he had been told to say. Good job Beeb!
She exposed him. His lack of empathy was astounding. For example, all that talk about sweating…bollocks and then he really overstepped. By saying he was in combat Vet. No he fucking wasnt and any person who ‘looked after’ him will be crying tonight in their local British Legion pub. They will be pissed.
But did he really perform? No. Because what tool has failed to realise is that you ONLY go into interviews when you hold the moral high ground and are innocent. Uttely.
Everyone pretty much already had the opinion formed in their heads he was lying. And then he proves it by his ghastly responses.
What is brilliant about that interview is the glasses on the table. The BBC mocked him. And his PR advisers too. Problem with Airmiles is that hes not norty enough. Hes been out to dry by his family. Andy is not necessarily bad man but hes been caught out doing very bad things.
And he has now hurt his ex plus daughters too. Andy knows enough but only in his tiny sphere. Its outrageous that hes on the Sovreign Grant. Hes being blackmailed by the way .
So, you’re being interviewed. Plain glasses of water are required. Not cut lead crystal ones that appeared to hold liquid that was tinged yellow. Let alone the bottle that was between them. And in Buck House too. What was the Queen thinking?
This is a nod to his ‘Party Prince’ status. And it was aired live. Admittedly, most wont pick up on that nuance but they will sense it.
Wrong shape of glasses for water and thats my final word on the matter!
HG, I have often wondered if the late Diana was indeed a narcissist herself. She created drama and pity ploys with demure subtlety, but her outbursts were always self-serving, impactful and manipulative nonetheless. If she was a matrinarc, would this not explain why Prince Harry has gravitated towards the narcissist that is now his wife? What are your thoughts on this?
Dianna was a depressive. She likely had borderline. Can’t blame her when you’re married to Chucky Boy.
I just read that H&M plan to have “a second base” in the USA and split time between two countries (hmm, I wonder which one came up with the idea). Does M’s narcissism deliberately rub everyone’s nose in the fact that she can pull this off and “punish ‘em all” (tax payers money wasted on the move and flying back and forth, air pollution while representing ecological causes, deeper bruise of the relationship with the RF, automatically gaining the A-list status in the USA by using Harry as her VIP ticket etc) or she does it instinctively by mere sense of entitlement?
Her narcissism occasions this and thus she acts instinctively.
Good- let them split time- “H” ( as we all call him now… ) will figure out faster that it aint the brit media- it’s his narc wife that makes life so difficult and miserable! PS… California is on fire literally…this should all be fascinating- where will they sequester away in California???
I wonder what his brother is saying
I think splitting time between California and the UK will allow H to figure everything out a little quicker. That’s the only benefit of it. He’ll see it’s not the British media -it is darling little wife who makes life so miserable. Also I would advise H not to go on any hikes deep in the woods or near any cliffs with Miss Marple.
Miss Marple would be the one to solve any crime that Ms. Markle commits, but I suspect she’ll go for a cushy settlement and lots of publicity, rather than murder.
I wouldn’t put it past her to drive that poor putz to suicide, however.
Dearest HG: I see Meghan saying this to H: You know H, with all due respect, you are in a double bind. If you do everything your family and the media wants, you are a good spare, and not much else. If you strike out for yourself, you are a hapless henpecked spare and not much else. So since you are not much else to them all, no matter what you do, go ahead and Star in your own life. Just Star, and I know all about that and how to go about it, and we will just Star together and kick up our well-heeled, heels, and have some fun around this stale joint. And you know what else, you should go ahead and adjust to now being labeled the good one, H, and I will accept the label as the bad one as designated regarding me, as the siren and vixen that ensnared you, because it is truly all the same to me, playing a good or bad character. So, no worries. Enjoy being the good one for a while, H, rather than your stuck up lame brother and the recently sainted Katie. Speaking of which, that woman really should thank me for easing her burden from the cameras. And maybe she now will take some extra time to at least weigh down some of her skirts and dresses. The entire planet has seen her dresses fly up around her waist how many times now? That poor saint. She always seems to find the wind. But, whatever. And, anyway, they all can just chase our dust now, every last hypocritical one of them, because we will be living up a storm and moving too quickly anyway, for any of them to catch us, my love. Catch us if you can. I got this, babe.
Harry’s in a really lousy spot. He’s mentally and emotionally wrung out and near cracking. For now that’s a plus for MM. His misery is a currency she can spend. “See. Harry is suffering so I am right that we are being treated terribly.” Right now, he’s still an extension of her own self. Because he’s still a part of her own ego, she does have a type of concern and compassion for him. For now.
But God pity the man if he has a break down.
She will not tolerate him taking the spotlight. If he does break down, she will milk it for all its worth in the public eye, to get sympathy and to blame the media, etc. But she will also, subconsciously, consider it high treason committed by him against herself.
If he gets to a state where he himself demands genuine pity and active care, from his family and the public, and real treatment, psychologically/emotionally by physicians, he will commit the double sins of overshadowing her and causing her to lose direct control of the narrative.
If that happens, she will resent him in private and tear him down even more than we all know she currently does (however subtly), right when he would need a kind wife the most. Yet the face she will show to the world will be one of concern for him.
I just reread this and it came across as harsher than I meant. I do think Meghan loves Harry as much as she can. I don’t think she’s capable, at any moment, of “loving” him more than she “loves” herself. In moments where she does display concern, protection, attention, compassion, etc. towards him, it is because she is identifying him with her own self.
If push comes to shove, and some incident happens that disturbs her enough that a split occurs between him and his fusion to her, she will choose herself. She has to. It’s not because she doesn’t care about him on some level, it’s because she’s not capable of any sustained reaction that places any other person in priority against her own self. Every person is either for her, or against her, at the end of each day.
So if he has a royal (!) meltdown, and needs real treatment, part of her will break off from him. Because in that need of his he will be taking something away from her, and that’s not something she can withstand.
I may be wrong, but that’s how I see it. In unconsciously reacting to protect/promote her own self, she will harm him.
Some of her theatrics remind me of Angelina Jolie after her divorce from Brad Pitt. The somber, soft, earnest sadness. The camera courting. Speaking slowly so as to control the interview. They are the signs of a person who is creating the cadence on her own terms. There is none of the swift back and forth of a real conversation. Every word said, every facial movement, is calculated. The goal of the calculation is to get others to validate the woman’s view of herself. As victim, as undergoing tragedy, as being fragile and pitiable and yet strong and therefore admirable.
What was most telling about MM is how light and almost giddy she seemed in her public outings soon after the documentary. It’s because she got her hit. That documentary was a double win for her. She got a hit of public drama and being “bullied.” She got to be the victim, and she got to receive criticism, which she enjoys. She enjoys criticism because it’s a form of attention and also because it validates her sense of not being valued highly enough. She also no doubt got a plethora of back-door sympathy. People sending her love, and notes, messages and texts, asking if she’s OK. That hit she also loves.
The glowing face of hers appearing in public, that followed the documentary, shows a woman who got her ego fix. She was, very, very clearly, “satisfied.”
Also, William and Kate never had a snowball’s prayer in Hell of being actual friends with MM. They are bright, talented, loved, and they have equilibrium, together and individually. Those traits make them highly uncontrollable. The second MM got a whiff that she couldn’t control them, they became disposable. They serve her now as part of the surrounding cast of characters who have ill-served her.
Given how much turmoil William and Harry went through together, with a likely deep codependency taking root between them, William did a bang up job of not falling into the MM trap. The speed with which he refused to play her games, despite his deep love for his brother, is impressive.
Kate is MM’s worst nightmare. She is intelligent, well spoken, a hard worker, warm, charming, and has no need to compete. She’s not manipulatable through jealousy and she’s not manipulatable through being made to feel insecure. No doubt she’s had sorrow over the break with Harry, but she’s centered enough not to let it throw her off.
MM has pooped in the royal courtyard and she will drop another load in the coming weeks. Let’s see how close her famous friends stay to her (Amal, Oprah) once it’s undeniable that MM has severed her close ties to the palace. I predict some who have defended her will grow silent.
You are correct and your comparison with Angelina Jolie is an accurate one.
I missed your reply here until just now. Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts on Angelina Jolie especially.
I noticed somewhere on this site you mentioned that narcissism is a spectrum, with people falling at different places. Not all narcissists want to hurt others, but they act out of compulsion based on ingrained narcissistic traits. (All of that is my words, not yours.) I would think Meghan and Angelina fall into that category.
Meaning, they may choose actions that greatly harm others, but they don’t wish to harm others. They aren’t malicious. They are wildly and weirdly ego-centric in a way that damages others, and they will absolutely use others, but that doesn’t mean they actively wish to harm them. Instead, they actively wish to protect/promote their own selves, but their way of living is warped, so how they protect/promote their own selves is not how a non NPD person would.
Whereas other narcissists know exactly what they are doing. They are malicious. To my mind, Kevin Spacey falls into this bucket. What do you think?
Hello DD, your analysis is essentially accurate.
You are correct re Spacey.
Your analysis is incredibly insightful, DD; a pleasure to read!
Great observations, DD. Sadly, US media bought her performance from what I have seen so far.
And what it he told her now:
“No, Meghan, you take it too far, I can’t fight with every newspaper and I want my good relationship with my brother back. You need accept it.”
Would she start to plan the disengagement?
The disengagement is not planned by her kind of narcissist.
The comment would not result in disengagement.
That suggested comment is Challenge Fuel and she would instinctively apply a manipulation to address the challenge.
He’s not capable of saying anything of the kind, or even thinking it, in his condition.
I wish we could get some of HG’s books to him. Audio, since I think he’s not much of a reader. Then tie him to a chair and MAKE him listen.
Finally watched it! First time I’ve seen MM or Harry on film.
I was struck how much MM reminded me of the MRN I was with. Particularly her very slightly exaggerated facial expressions. As if she is just a bit TOO marveled by what she is seeing and a bit TOO sadly hesitant etc. It comes across contrived and fake. BUT, I can say that now because I am empowered through this place. When in seduction with MRN, he had the exact same exaggerated facial expressions and tone of voice, and I took it then to mean he was an enthusiastic and intense person – which was attractive at that time.
Also the way she inserts the question “right?” into conversations so the person with whom she is speaking naturally gives her fuel and an indication of her control (by nodding, agreeing, smiling) was very obvious and ridiculous to me. Again, I think I would have found that off putting without HG but I wouldn’t have realized she had a disorder.
Harry struck me as genuine but treading the eggshells…which is unsurprising.
Well observed
Having watched a few clips of recent things with them I think I can see a few examples of public devaluation of Harry. There’s an event that they are attending where she’s talking about empowering women and she says that she thought he should come along, referring to him as He in front of a room full of people , and that she brought him along, when in actual fact she’s only there with that speaking platform because of Him. Imagine Kate saying that about William!!
Then of course the , I call him H when in fact he’s a Prince, is something for their private life and it’s undermining him in public . Then the I was warned not to marry him . Imagine if Kate said that !!
I know this has all been said on here but watching it again , I realise I would see this as , OMG she’s so full of herself , she’s a complete pain in the ass, she’s a bloody nightmare etc etc . So very often we are seeing narc behaviour all the time and just calling it something else. A bit like the Oh he’s just commitment phobic or other ways that narcs are described on a daily basis. I’m constantly trying to learn this stuff more because I’m so scared of getting involved with another one, particularly since behaviours are so familiar to all of us but are put down to other reasons which we are quite flippant about
Correct
Sounds like you’re well on your way to spotting and avoiding falling for another one Lisa x
Let’s hope so alexis x
From what I’ve seen of your comments you’re a very smart woman Lisa, therefore definitely so. What has HG taught us about hope? Xxx
It took me awhile before I began to see what Meghan Markle was, because I didn’t consider her to be worthy of any particular attention. When I started watching and listening to her, I got a knot in my stomach because I recognized what she was. I am in agreement with much of what I have read in your articles, but one aspect I’m not is where you state that Narcissist are unaware of what they are doing to their victims. My experience was much different. I have been married to a Narc for 22 years. We separated three years ago, owing to his using his trump card of Divorce to force me to break and beg forgiveness for not playing by his rules in regards to his behavior with other women. I left per his demand and returned to my family in another state. After 6 months of begging to be allowed to return, and his refusal to consider it, I was introduced to an article describing what a true Narcissist was. I was stunned by how much my husband ticked off every single box. This was the first time I had any answers as to why he did what he did, and why he treated me and other people like he did. At that time I made the decision to back off discussing my return. It didn’t take long before the “hoovering” began. Suddenly he couldn’t live without me. It started with the romancing (long distance since we were in different states at this time). Then the begging, followed by guilt trips, then emotional bribes, and finally threats of cutting me off with no income or my rightful share of our assets should we divorce. During those years together he ran me into the ground with devaluing comments. He forced me to quit work 20 years ago and cut me off from my support network. I was totally dependent on him to have a roof over my head. I was 1300 miles from family and friends. He was not inclined to make friends so we had none were we lived. He forced me to have to listen to his multitudinous temper tantrums about supposed slights and mistakes which he believed to be deliberate on my part, and of those of other people. I caught him numerous times in chat rooms telling the most grandiose lies you could imagine. He was a published author (he never wrote a book in his life). He was a member of the Special Forces in the military (he spent 4 years in the Air Force sitting at a desk). He learned to speak Spanish while on missions in Latin America with the SF’s. (he was a paramedic in New Mexico). I have endured serious mental and emotional scarring. The only reason I can say that the torture is now over is because he passed away last week. I am now back in our home having to pick up the pieces and take care of his final affairs before returning to the home my mother left me. I simply cannot see how someone can damage another in such a way and not know exactly what they are doing. I accept they may not know the why, but the look in his eyes told me he KNEW he was hurting me…and he was enjoying every moment of it.
You have confused, understandably, aspects of the narcissistic dynamic. This happens because you impose your worldview (understandably) on the behaviour of the narcissist. This also happens owing to the effects of emotional thinking. It is a detailed matter to explain, which goes beyond a response to your comment Mrs M63, but in brief
1. Lesser narcissists have no awareness and invariably do not even notice what they have done or what they are doing. They also behave in an obviously abnormal way attracting descriptions as having no filter, not caring, brash and bragging. They will loudly claim to be the best at something in the world and believe it and not even see that such an ostentatious assertion is at best impolite and at worst completely delusional and inappropriate. They will punch someone in the face and when there is protestation demand “What?!” They do not know what drives their behaviour – the need to fulfil the Prime Aims.
2. Mid Range Narcissists recognise the impact of their behaviour, they THINK they know what is behind it, but they do not. Your ex will believe (from his perspective) you deserved the treatment. Yes, he knew he hurt you, but in his mind, you deserved that. He does not know he was actually doing this to achieve The Prime Aims. What you thought was him enjoying it, was his response to the provision of your fuel and his unconscious reaction to asserting control over you. You saw it as “enjoyment” because that is what you understand it to be from your perspective, but it is not. It is the response to the provision and fuel and the gaining of control. Understanding the Mid Ranger and his or her Level of awareness is something many victims struggle with.
Both Lesser and Mid Range form the vast majority of narcissists – nearly all victims are ensnared by those type. They do not consciously know what they are, what is driving them and victims repeatedly misunderstand this. There are very clear and solid reasons why they do not know and it those reasons add up to ensuring that the narcissism always works as a self-defence mechanism.
3. Greater Narcissists know what they are doing and why. The are extremely rare. Many people think they are ensnared with a narcissist, but they are not. This mistake arises from the own worldview and the effects of Emotional Thinking.
I appreciate you may have further questions arising from this and should you wish to understand it further and especially with regard to your own situation I advocate that you organise a consultation with me.
Right now as we speak, my LMRN is starring into space. Very creepy HG
Thank you for your response. It does provide a better insight to what was probably his aims and intentions. I am still struggling with accepting that he had no awareness as to the damage he was doing, but I can at least give it more serious consideration.
You are welcome.
From: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10207357/meghan-markles-prince-charles-tensions/amp/#click=https://t.co/n2fennvqyw
“The Sussexes had learned the Prince of Wales’ team might have television cameras present for the filming of an upcoming TV special about Charles’ work.
“As we now know, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry were already planning their own bombshell documentary for ITV and Team Sussex was not prepared to allow the Duchess a starring role in a rival show.”
Her need to be the star of every show is positively pathological. Also unrealistic. Even if an actress used to playe Ophelia or Juliet, eventually, she’s going to have to play Gertrude or Lady Capulet or the Nurse, if she wants to do those shows again.
Hi HG, Is there an article on magical thinking? I am struggling here would you clarify please? I am wondering if this is a narc trait I have strongly. For example, I get an overwhelming feeling of what I would term magical thinking….when I gaze at the stars at night, or watch a sunrise/sunset, when I feel energy beyond sight, when I read and forget I am reading and live the words almost like a movie in my mind etc…..is this the same thing as you have termed magical thinking?
No, that is not magical thinking.
This is all great HG ! I’m bummed that a biotch from usa is coming btw the two brothers.
I hope Kate M and her mental health focus as she’s stated as a “cause” sStumbles onto a lightbulb moment…maybe she’s aware what’s going on. But again if you haven’t experienced it Yourself it’s hard to recognize it-and how dangerous is-and how it will NEVER change- and will only get worse.
Hoping a truly nice girl is somewhere in Harry’s future.
HG – can we all fund some electronic billboards in UK and US – that will flash info about toxic relationships- and great things like the “ no good advices “
Sounds like a plan.
HG did you get my comment about the Me Too posts , I don’t get alerts anymore with reply to comments or other people’s comments I have to scroll through everything , I don’t know what’s happened I can’t find things ? Do you know where K is she normally comes to the rescue ? OMG there’s a meme everywhere now with a pic of Meghan holding Archie with the words, Ask A New Mom if she’s OK. I wish I could put it on here but I don’t know how to attach pics . Also on another subject watching Charles and Camilla Narc & Narc on the Duchy of Cornwall doc , she lets him take centre narc stage at all public appearances, she poses no threat to him in that way.
I don´t believe I have, Lisa.
Oh ok, I was just asking is there only one Me Too post or are there follow ups somewhere on here ? I’m not getting emails any more , I don’t know why. So I have to keep going in to your site to find things. I found the Me too one yesterday and then the Kevin Spacey one today
Ah, you mean the Me Too Article. Yes, there is only one.
I looked up the interview and came across Wendy Williams reacting to it and saying to MM, “Nobody feels sorry for you!” Cracked me up. WW is getting a lot of flack right now for what she said about MM. I will be posting links of your MM articles on the comments section of the Wendy Williams reaction on Youtube.
I remember when MM’s engagement with Prince Harry was announced and a lot of people in the media are so excited at the thought that Meghan Markle will modernize and revolutionize the British Royalty. MM’s anecdote about her standing up to edit a commercial to be less sexist when she was a child were being shared everywhere. A lot of people saw the potential of a socially conscious and modern princess who will be a great role model for the modern women. Then I saw the interview where all four of them (Harry, William, Meghan and Kate) were sitting together and when asked about their causes, Meghan Markle talked about wanting to work on helping women feel empowered to share their voice which I thought was quite grandiose and at the same time vague in terms of the ability to have an objective measure of her real impact whereas Kate was interested in causes that were more specific and low profile such as mental health. I wonder if a lot of Meghan Markle’s frustration is the realization that she really is unable to make any meaningful impact to the Royal traditions and customs aside from the petty attempts to violate protocols to get attention.
Her pity plays and inability to see everything that she has in life reminds me so much of my MMRE sister.
Women empowerment and modernizing the monarchy? She literally shagged her way to the top and has been doing so for years. Nothing modern about it either: the Empress Theodora was an actress and probably part-time yachter. She was likely more competent in her role than MM.
MM’s pronouncements are just refrigerator-magnet-affirmation word salad. She has nothing useful to contribute. Even that “capsule collection” she made such a fuss about consisted of FIVE pieces:
1. Designed by somebody else
2. In synthetic materials that would start to smell quickly since they do not breathe
3. Requiring dry-cleaning, as if the people who needed them could afford that.
4. Dresses, instead of separate skirts or trousers that could be mixed and matched with jackets and blouses.
I could have come up with a better collection as a 9-year-old with a set of paper dolls.
Once I went into the work force, I learned that most fabric blends could he machine washed and drip-dried, if not tossed in the dryer. You don’t want a closet full of hand-wash or dry-clean items if you’re neither rich nor self-employed.
How has this woman lived as long as she has without having any apparent common sense whatever?
Haha so true Violetta. She’s so out of touch because of her grandiosity trait and lack of empathy. I remember when I was just new in the US and had no idea about winter clothes because we didn’t have winter in my home country. I was fascinated by my dad’s explanation on why wool is the best fabric for winter and he explained it in terms of practicality. He was a WW2 veteran and was part of the ski troupes deployed in the Alps of Italy so he was all about survival in the cold. He said that wool is water repellent and it doesn’t get cold when it gets wet, unlike cotton. So he was all about wearing wool socks and having a good wool coat even though there are cotton thermal fabrics available now. The only problem I had with it was the itch and that it can only be washed through dry cleaning which is expensive. And growing up from a tropical country, the thought of wearing the same thing without washing it bothered me. So I learned about washable jackets that are totally ok for the mild winter that we have here. I always make sure that clothes are machine washable when I buy them and it’s a total plus if I don’t need to iron or steam them from the dryer. But I still keep wool socks, coat and blankets at the trunk of my car when I have to drive through snow just in case. 😊
MommyPino:
Wool is awesome. It’s true that wool coats and tailored things like suits have to be dry-cleaned, but things like sweaters and socks can be tossed in the wash on cold setting, then air-dried flat on one of those fold out racks.
The thing is, if the trousers or skirts are wool, they can stand multiple wearings as long as the top is changed regularly. Same for a wool cardigan, as long as there’s a button down shirt or turtleneck under it. MM’s “collection” had one top in it, and it was linen, which would require ironing in addition to any other special wash instructions. You can get by for a whole week on one blazer plus two skirts or a skirt and trousers, as long as you have a bunch of tops to rotate with it.
Again, something about her doesn’t pass the smell test. Every struggling actress I knew in NY knew about thrift shops. You didn’t go there only for costumes for a church-basement production with no wardrobe budget: hit one on the upper East side, and you could get Social Register discards like a $300 Suit for $12 or $15. They’d have been worn once or not at all, since the Ladies Who Lunch don’t like to be photographed in an outfit multiple times. Many outfits still had the tags on them, because they sat in some socialite’s closet until she changed her mind.
I’ve seen comments speculating that while MM wanted to be a STAR, she had no interest in the CRAFT of acting. That sounds pretty accurate to me. Even HG’s hapless Hannah, who sounds quite the handful, clearly had some kind of respect for the art and a work ethic.
Hi Mommie Pino: I wonder what Meghan imagined being a member of the royal family would be like, versus the reality. Also, I wonder how the royal family treated her before the wedding to keep her moving forward versus how they treated her after the deal was done. A consideration: I am reminded about how a person is treated during the exciting process of an employment interview and closing on a job, then once one has the job starting on day one, that round of excitement is gone, and you have to then remember where the restroom is and no one, but a just few people are willing to show you the ropes, or even smile at you, and you do not even see the friendly and dynamic Human Research person who advocated for you and signed you, ever in your sphere again in the company. Boom! Now it is Sink or swim. Another consideration: Also, I know first hand from living in NYC that performing in a Broadway play is exhausting. And quite a few actors, even famous ones, sometimes have the wrong idea about what it would be like to star in a Broadway play. Many actors say that it is on their bucket list to perform on Broadway. I laugh. Hahahahahaha! Many would not last a week performing in those shows so many days a week. A famous actor, Jeremy Piven thought he could do it. Sure, it is great in the beginning, and then you realize you are in a prison and have to be in top form day in and day out week after week and month after month. Jeremy was the lead in the play, Speed the Plough. I remember this case because I wanted to see it. At some point he said he fell ill from Sushi and could not perform. It was called the Sushi case. I remember. Lawsuits against him, etc. abound. Finally they recast the lead away from Piven, and brought in an another famous actor: last name Macy, I do not recall his first name, but the role was a fast speaking role and Macy added about half an hour to the play speaking all those lines. lol. He could not carry the play like fast speaking Jeremy could. The play had to close. WOW! So Jeremy Piven in fact closed down a hit Broadway play. This incident alarmed many investors and Wall Street and Hollywood and Broadway and some new laws were written to prevent this sort of thing. I do not know what the laws were, though. I do know that when a Star actor and actress comes to Broadway now, there are more limited engagements scheduled for them. So they can `escape` earlier or umm….`not fall ill to sushi`. And shut down an entire play. I am telling you this from experience of being here when it happen. This is not from google or anything. I do not have to google it. I am telling you what went down. I have no idea how this incident is spun at this point by the media for posterity. Personally, I think he could not take it. Being like a slave on Broadway, after being accustomed to TV. Most people basically do TV and Film if they can get it, and Broadway. They are all different. He needed to go back to his life and party like he was accustomed to, and he used food poisoning to make a desperate escape: That is what I really believe and I am not saying this to malign him. Stuff happens But he really caused a financial and business ruckus. Some said he would never be able to work again. But, he still works. Not on Broadway though, hahaha. Broadway is no joke. Being a member of that Royal family is no joke. A consideration: Meghan could be under a lot of stress, even though she was a successful working actress (it does take a good deal of responsibility to be on a weekly TV series that lasts for many years). That is why they all want to make movies and make a lot of money and have a lot of FREE TIME between films. But, everyone can not get those precious jobs as a leading lady or men in film. There is even more free time with a TV series, than Broadway. Staring on Broadway is like being a prisoner. It is not for everyone. It is the most grueling thing ever. I am sure the entire scenario of being a new member of the Royal Family is much different than she expected, even though many people think she should have known what it would be like. Especially since she was an actress. I think she did not really know. She was not an insider in any way. Her new role is probably even more difficult than being on Broadway, even though she was an actress. And many actors think they can do Broadway, and they can not. So the question to me also is, what happens to a Narcissist when they are actually under extreme stress, if this is also the case with Meghan? Mommy Pino, I have no idea.
PES: In addition, she’s ticked people off, other people’s staff as well as her own. You may have heard some of the legends about what happens if you offend techies. A replacement cast member for “City of Angels” did or said something to the wardrobe people. The silver lamé gown that had looked stunning on her predecessor was made just a fraction of an inch too tight here or too loose there…she looked like a foil-wrapped sausage.
Marla Maples made a similar mistake with “Will Rogers.” She wouldn’t have noticed, because the dresser holds out your costume and you step into it, but for the number where she did her cartwheels, invisible to the audience (same color embroidery floss as the fabric), they’d embroidered on the crotch of her costume the words, “The Donald was here.” EVERY techie in the theatre knew about it, from the costume people to the guys in the light booth–maybe even other performers knew about it, to GH nobody told her. They all quietly grinned when she did her cartwheels.
Do not piss off techies. Do not piss off your support staff.
MM did theatre in high school and college, so she knows better, although she did mostly camera work after that. But the word is they didn’t want her back on “Suits,” because she was pulling attitude there. Production staff and castmembers don’t like that stuff either.
Temperament might be tolerated from iconic crazy-genius types. Katherine Hepburn was notorious for stopping in the middle of a live show to bawl out audiences for taking photos, but MM’s neither that legendary nor that good.
Someone on another site suggested that she and Harry could make quite a lot of money on the lecture circuit, talk shows, etc., but I think those will be one-shots. Madonna did Speed the Plow back in the ’80s, and has never been asked back. Not just limited talent: plenty of movie or soap stars have brought in enough ticket money that they can do Broadway any time they want, even if they’re not that great on stage. But if you’re difficult to work with….
Violetta; Madonna and Speed the Plow? Who knew: Maybe that is where a jinx is coming from. Hahaha. My laugh of the day. Thank you. If I would have been Pivens attorney, I would have started with the Madonna Defense, and a jinx, and then moved on to the Sushi. By the way, Sushi representatives were also complaining about the case at the time. it hurt the sushi business at the time, as well. I wanted to see Speed the Plow, but Piven was unexpectedly not `there`, and I refused to see Macy, when I heard he droned on and on and on with all those lines, extending the play an entire half hour. Not good. Not good at all.
Thank you PSE. Your story and take are really interesting. I have never thought of so much potential problems occurring when a Broadway play lead star is unable to perform as expected. His name is William Macy and his wife got embroiled in the college admission scandal. You do have a really good point about the stress associated with being a new part of the British royal family. Princess Diana suffered from it but a lot of her suffering was also from her husband who bullied her. I’m contrasting Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle in my mind. I used to feel bad for Kate Middleton before she and William got married with the way that the media was hounding her. I remember a lot of the pictures that the paparazzi took of her and Kate was not smiling and she actually looked annoyed or bothered in a lot of them. And yet I do not remember her complaining about it. And now she’s so used to the lifestyle of being a part of that family. I think that there is always stress and difficulties associated with adjusting in a new environment especially a very demanding environment such as being in a play in Broadway or a part of the Royal family but if that person has a heart that is grateful for that position and all of the challenges that come with it and appreciates everything that is a natural part of it and has enough support which Meghan has from Harry then there should not be any reason to be miserable in spite of the stress and difficulties. It’s like being a mom for the first time, you lose sleep because you have to feed the baby intermittently 24/7 and change diapers and experience pain associated with breastfeeding and end up being a prisoner of the baby who cries and screams every five minutes to get your attention etc. etc. Most moms are not miserable about it even though they have all of that stress. It’s because of the outlook and the attitude. Meghan said the nobody asked her if she’s ok. That’s the problem I think. She wants the attention which she feels she’s entitled to but isn’t getting. She thought that she would be like Diana but she isn’t. She is also a part of the royal family which follows so many protocols on how to behave and treat people so she doesn’t really have all of the freedom to bully or assert her superiority on people as much as she would have wanted to.
Mommie Pino: Meghan does not have the fortune of HG Tudor counseling her, and so she is both outnumbered and outgunned in that household that is raining Narcissists. And, there is often knowledge and power in numbers. And that family has already squeezed a lot out of her: 1) They have their modern marriage feather in their cards. 2) They have increased their lineage through Archie in their cards. 3) They have Harry with a more respectable image in their cards. 4) They have Diana and Kate revered practically as Saints now in their cards. 5) And, they have an odd protective trump card in a `bizzaro` doppelgänger-ish social race-card when needed, to practically wrap up their hand as a total win for themselves, so far. I fold! lol. She may now be in devaluation for the household, overall. What does Meghan have? And do not say Harry and Archie. Even basic knowledge tells me that there are extra layers of laws to protect Harry and Archie from a woman, even though Archie is also her child, because Archie is also of the still powerful house styled Windsor, as well as a British Citizen, still a powerful entity, all opposed to his American citizenry of his commoner* mother (*it is possible that Meghan may be officially designated as a commoner, but I have not heard the result of her lineage check to know this). And the U.S. is very wary and reluctant to confront the established laws of its Allies. And many, many, many American women have found out, unfortunately for themselves, the very hard way, how few rights they have versus the father’s right and the foreign country’s rights and in addition to all that, in Meghan`s case, a Monarchy`s rights, versus a mother’s rights, when it comes to the children of such matches. All countries are not at all at the level of pro-female like the U. S. works on being. Finally, Meghan did not need that family in order to live comfortably, especially under such stringent restraints as she now must live. She was not at all living rough. And if Meghan has the true American spirit, some precious free time is more valuable than being marched around by protocol all the time: this is a cultural thing that some may not understand nor even believe. So, what does Meghan have to gain by staying in the Royal Family at this point? It beats me. But, I do know from HG Tudor that: It depends on whatever are her Primary Aims. I think she has gained all that she can, at this point, looking at her situation from the viewpoint of myself, a regular person. But, all this is not regular stuff. and the actors in this British show are way more seasoned than she. But, she is losing, I think. If they cut her losses, she may be better off. Do they even need her for anything else? Even for their own Primary Aims? She gave so much value so quickly to them already, as I stated above. Nevertheless, she is still very beautiful and young enough to enjoy her life, if she happens to live long enough thereafter, if they cut her out. It could then become a Win-Win, although it may not feel like that to her at the time of occurence. Mommy Pino: My Score so Far? The `Windsors` : 5 and Meghan:1 (I give her one point for the pomp and circumstance of that very beautiful wedding ceremony, albeit minus the presence of her father….hmmmm….). I am staying tuned. And digging in. This could be a long one, folks. Or, not.
Mommy Pino: Broadway Plays do not prefer TV and Film Stars. They want you to come see the Play for itself and not for a Movie Star. Stars basically do not have the stamina and the perfectionism (this is not a criticism–rather, different mediums for different personalities is all), first of all, and Broadway is really a different creature from TV series and Films. In fact, it is easier to go from Broadway, to TV and Film, than to go From TV and Film, to Broadway. One time I was sitting on a bench and resting after a shopping trip, in Central Park. The TV series, Law And Order, was filming. And it took around 10 takes to film an actor crossing the street, for the final scene. 10 takes! (I did tell an extra that was sitting on the bench also watching, that they are going to wrap that one–it was the 10th take, and I was right). I could see it… That time when the actor crossed the street, some birds flew by over him, the sunset had moved into a beautiful pink and orange color and the actor had his hands in his suit pockets in a weary sort of way, and he walked across that street with a particular aura with his head slightly down, like he was carrying the weight of the entire world on his shoulders. I said to that extra: that is a take, and it was. HOWEVER, HOWEVER, HOWEVER, all those takes and pauses, and emergency phone calls and debates, etc. and having one`s face touched up, etc, and one`s jealous boyfriend or girlfriend randomly popping up on the set, and one needing a sip of water brought about immediately, etc., can not be done during a live show on Broadway!!!! That is for TV and Film, all those takes, and stuff like that. Mommy Pino: But, sometimes, the only way to obtain investors for a certain potential Play is to have a Star cast for the beginning of a play to show to the certain investors. Such is life. But, that is not usually desirable to the producers of the Play. Because, when the Star leaves, the play is weakened and could fold unless another interesting Star takes on the role. And TV and Film Stars know that Broadway is difficult. And they put it on their Bucket List, because it is very respectable. But, they largely stay away from actually doing it, as well. But, basically, you start with a Star, you have to sort of stay with a Star for a Play brought to the public that way. Not good. So, Broadway does not like Star chasing, as I hope I have explained good enough. However, sometimes when a show is dying, a Star is brought in to give it a boost, for a limited run (prevents `sushi illnesses`), of course…to give a Play some new life. And then the Star leaves, and hopefully the show has the paying public’s interest once again, without needing such a Star in a lead role: This cycle, of intermittently dragging in Stars, can go on for decades for some shows, to keep them going. For example: Chicago. That Play, Chicago, drags in Stars a lot! And Violetta said that Play, Speed the Plow, once showcased Madonna. I wonder how long was Madonna’s run in that Play? Because she is a Music Star and a tiny bit of a Film Star. But, there are many examples of using Stars, of course, for one reason or another. I know all this because I live around all this. It is not something that I have to google. And I couldn’t care less what Google says about this matter and whether or not Google agrees with what I am saying. Because I speak first hand. I live around all this, and it is interesting to me, as well. But after what Jeremy Pivens did, more shorter and shorter limited-run time periods came to be, when Stars were in the mix. Because, believe me on this: Jeremy Pivens brought change, regarding the dangerous financial risk involved, when Film and TV Stars are brought on for a Broadway Play, for more than just a short stint. Full Disclosure: I want HG Tudor to write Broadway Plays, perhaps even if it is in future years, as I and others have already said to him on this site. I would go to all of his Plays that I could manage. Bank on it.
This was great. Finally watched the documentary and everything mentioned in the previous article was so obvious (now). Poor Harry! This follow up reaction analysis was great too. Really shows how oblivious non-Ns are to the behaviors.
People are tenacious in their defense of these abusers hiding in plain site. I’ve been sharing HG articles like crazy bc I’ve been called everything from a jealous hater to a racist on the forums. The racist comments came after I suggested that the public watch Surviving RKelly or Finding Neverland. So I wait and rally the racist comments and then slam them with all the white people HG has put under the scope. I’ve been at battle. Zero fucks given.
Well done. Logic Slap Down.
I am so behind. I wanted to watch the documentary before reading this and missed the broadcast. Now I can’t find it anywhere online 🙁
Thank you for writing all of the articles on Meghan Markle and Prince Harry. They were all excellently written.
I remember when the news broke about their engagement and there was an event where Prince William and MM were together and I thought I saw Meghan Markle eye fucking Prince William. I wasn’t aware of narcissism and Narcsite yet at that time but I didn’t understand why she was staring at Prince William like that. I found it really bizarre. Prince William broke it off and I think he tapped her or something in a way that it seemed he didn’t surrender his dominance to her.
You are welcome.
Should we and the media all just go no contact with MM.
She’s certainly brought the focus back on herself.
I remember HG saying that it doesn’t matter to the narc if the attention is achieved through being v good or being v bad. As long as the spot light is in them. She’s achieved that with the interview and now the purple dress straight after. Lots of flashing cameras.
Dear Mr Tudor,
Interesting looking character, this bald headed cannabis smuggling reporter … 🤣
Coupled with the fact Poor H 😢 suffers from PTSD from his two deployments in Afghanistan
Awesome and most fascinating dissection update
Why are you not the Royal’s secret top gun consultant/ advisor Mr Tudor, you’d get everything into ship shape and stop all this nonsense, which was always destined to be a royal train wreck before it even left the royal station ?
Another most informative and educational article
Thank you
Luv Bubbles xx 😘
You are welcome Bubbles.
She says she has a pet name for Harry H I think.
@princess
What worries me about still connecting to this site is that I’m going to become super paranoid and start accusing every disordered person of being a narcissist, so I err on the side of caution. My mother is very disordered but she’s also very loyal to her children and was very loyal to her partners which is not a quality that narcissist’s tend to have, so I have my doubts. I do believe she is highly narcissistic though with PTSD. A Comorbid case. My mum also loves babies and animals which is not a narc thing, unless she loves babies cause they are easier to control? We can look at it that way.
I have an ex that was similar, highly narcissistic but wasn’t a full blown narcissist. He was extremely loyal, would never even say a celebrity was attractive in front of me, but he was unbearable in a lot of other ways. He also said to me once that he knows he’s quite narcissistic without me even mentioning it.
When I met the narc narc though… that was a different breed. I should have known it was never going to work out when he referred to his cat as “it” instead “he/she” like a normal person would.
That is your emotional thinking trying to prise you away from the logic that is disseminated here.
You will have doubts about individuals, that is what the Narc Detector Consultation is for, but through the application of no contact and reading my work and thus applying logic, you will become not only more adept at spotting the signs but more importantly ACTING on them. We appear in many different forms and are far more numerous than people realise.
Unbelievably so HG! so many Ns
Witch, it is definitely worth sticking with this site. I do understand your thinking in terms of breaking contact from all things N. I felt exactly the same. But actually I’ve learned and continue to learn so much. I have had so many life experiences over the past couple of years which I’m not sure how I would have coped with them without the knowledge I have. Keep going girl – you will get through this x
Thanks Alexis,
I probably won’t stop engaging with this site. It has helped a lot with the healing process.
It’s also helped me to be slightly less of a man hater now that I’m able to identify empathetic traits more accurately. I have met some nice men through work and I have also been able to spot the far less empathetic/ low key creepy ones.
One day I might even go as far as to have a heterosexual man as a friend, maybe
That’s great news Witch!
And really good that you’re spotting those with N or E traits too. I’m sure you will find the right man when you’re ready. Deffo worth learning as much as possible, saved my skin in tonnes of non intimate (I have an IP) ways.
“And we are far more numerous than people realise.”
HG I’m on my period don’t make me cry now
Stop blame shifting onto your period!!
You wouldn’t say that if you had one
Agreed , when PMS strikes watch out for the N traits to come out lol
Witch
Don’t you have a potion or a spell to take care of that?
HG: I don’t know why, but that made me laugh.
Because it was amusing
Yes narcangeI have very power remedies that have been passed down through the ages such as… a hot water bowl and an Epsom salt bath
Exceptional – of course!
HG you will be the most famous Narcissist across all the land!
Thanks fairy godmother!
Please wave you magic wand and tell all N to leave us alone.
I fear I may be outnumbered although not outgunned of course.
I shall sprinkle some of my fairy dust over you Pati to keep you safe and well
Aw thank you !
I believe that is what he is aiming for Alexis. 😉
FM1T
I thought he already was the most famous across the land
I believe for HG it is around the globe and nothing else will do!
I believe in him and know that is not that far off now Kim e. 😘
Bippity boppity ,boo !
Rival narc: Oh, magic mirror on the wall
Who’s the narciest of all?
Mirror: You’re in with Greater Narcs, it’s true.
But HG’s narcier than you.
Next to his Ultra, you’re a mutt
His Creature kicks your Creature’s butt.
(Rival narc gnashes teeth, calls down lightning from the sky, and turns into a cackling old crone, because Rival narc never was very subtle.)
HG is entertained
Violetta
Haha. I enjoyed that.
Hello HG- I have been folooinwg you for a coulee years now- and though I feel your remarks about the MMarkle are quite interesting and show a lot of insight on your -art- I find it so hard to grasp that she is a NARC- her eyes are so warm- her voice so soft they seem like a great couple and it has been KateMiddleotn I have not liked all this time not Maegan. Anyhow- your comments are quite convincing.In my onwlife- I am trying NO Contact once again with my narc who I haven seen in almost two years but has remained a force of confusion pain and even torture for me- the way he come closer and then distances. I have initiated a NC now and am trying to keep it- he says he doesn’t want a relationship at all now anyway- it has been a real waste of time for almost 12 years now!
Hello Michele and welcome.
Thank you for your observations concerning the article. Your comments demonstrate how easily people are fooled into thinking that a narcissist is not one and therefore there is value in your sharing them. She is a narcissist – the evidence is there and what is misleading you is understandable.
With regard to your personal situation, given the fact that you are still experiencing feels of pain despite 2 years of not seeing the narcissist, suggests your no contact regime is not an effective one and I would invite you to consult with me so I can analyse your regime, improve it and assist you achieving freedom.
Ah, I had no idea?
Oh stop! You did too. 🙃
Love you FM1T x
Love you too Sister! 😘
Foolme1time
Thank you so so so very much! Wow! I’m blown away I don’t even know exactly what to say at all. Just so incredibly kind of you. You’ve literally made my day.
I shall treasure this gift forever and return the favour xxx
Wow honestly you’re amazing! I hope you get this message.
A special
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You are very very welcome Alexis! I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. There is certainly a lot of information in those stories if you know what you are looking for! Have a great weekend! 😘💞
FM1T you are a sweety ! 💕
Thank you Pati. I couldn’t bare the thought of Alexis waiting until Monday to read about the three that escaped. 🤗
Exactly , it was too good to pass up !
I really enjoyed seeing that life if HG.
Hugs sweety!
When I typed all the Xs on my phone they depicted a heart just for you FM1T
This breaks my heart to see william and harry at odds. The brothers have been thru so much together and were so close. Lady diana would be upset to see what has happened to their relationship. I hope when meghans out of the picture they can mend the damage and be close again. No doubt she has seen this closeness and it was first on her to do list in isolating harry. Kate i can see her insanely jealous over given her position in the royal family. Theres also the fact kate was very close to harry as well and this would pose a threat to meghan. She is the reason for the split in the family.
The queens hands are tied as she has to take into account her grandsons wishes but i do think thatll only go so far and i do suspect she has given ultimatums to harry to keep his wife in check.
Harry wanted to modernize and break the royal mold but he did so with the wrong person. It will end with more scandal than the wedding and yet another divorce.
It amazes me how people buy into the blameshifting meghan has put out there on the media. She knows this is a sore spot with harry given his mothers death and is tapping into this weakness on his part. There has always been media pressures but especially when the media senses a disaster up ahead and they do see meghan for what she is a bitch but not the npd behind it.
They showed the African documentary on ABC last night, but I couldn’t bring myself to watch it. Maybe I should have, as a learning experience. I could have turned her phony routine into a drinking game, but witnessing the shrivelled soul that is Harry was just too painful.
Anybody who watched it have comments? Just reading HG’s analysis of Markle’s tactics makes me dread the full horror of seeing and hearing her in action. Still haven’t made it all the way through the engagement video
V – I couldn’t bring myself to watch either.
Another well written article. William thinks with logic and Harry with emotional thinking . You can tell who is ensnared with a Narcissist for sure. I also find that us as victims are always making excuses for the Narcissist and that doesnt help with our ET thinking either as it blinds us to actually see the logic.
Great article! The whole series! don’t know why what royals do interests me so much. Probably because they try so hard to keep us from knowing what they are really up to.
Loved reading all the great comments and shared stories, too.
I don’t believe that William or Kate have shown any animosity towards Meghan what so ever , it’s a typical example of what happens when narcissists start triangulating . William and Kate would have been over the moon when they thought Harry had found someone and he was happy and I really do not believe that Kate would be jealous of Meghan there is absolutely nothing to be jealous of. The rumours of issues started with the lead up to the wedding and that would have been Meghans shinanagins , which some very credible royal correspondents reported on from credible insiders. Meghans behaviour was put down to wedding nerves !!!
It is William and Kate that are the victims of a narcissist. While the narcissist plays the part of the victim. The comment about nobody asked if she was ok , I believe to be complete nonsense and a direct to all the Royal family as a whole. It’s also copying something similar Diana said in the Bashir interview , it may have been true at that time for Diana, but I believe it’s completely false in the current time. Im sure William and Kate are at a complete loss as to what the hells happening. If at anytime William has tried to have a word with his brother regarding any concerns he will be seen as an enemy and a trouble maker. This is the way it goes. I’m sure we have all experienced this ourselves in one way or another or we wouldn’t be on this blog.
Harry experienced the tragic loss of his mother at age 13. At this stage of development (puberty), his emotions would be in flux even without tragedy, and would be greatly heightened with unanticipated tragedy/loss/bereavement. Further, tragedy (or any negative experience) heightens the ability to encode memory and recall memory (and emotionally relive the experience). When we recall these memories, we experience them emotionally the same way we did at that age, even though technically, we cognitively are capable of greater processing. Therefore, when MM plays on anything related to Diana, Harry would be triggered to recall and emotionally relive those 13yr old memories in the present. I would suspect that a N would know this is a soft spot and use this to extract fuel (either positive or negative). This is a great example of total lack of empathy on MM’s part. Harry needs you HG.
Correction: It was at age 12, two months prior to his birthday that his mother died, but the same influences would apply. Further, after writing this comment, I found that Harry stated he did not deal with his bereavement for 20 years, then sought assistance with a mental health professional to discuss his issues. He now states he is in a “good place” and has dealt with his emotions, yet in another recent interview, he states the cause of his emotional issues is a more a “festering wound,” and that he relives his loss when he hears a camera click or flash.
Honestly unsure how a 12 year old could “deal with” the death of his mother from a psychological perspective. No idea if anyone in his life pushed him to therapy at that point, but they should have. I lost my father at age 31 and I pushed that grief aside for years also…..to support my mother and to raise my children. Guess what, didn’t work!!!! Depression, anxiety…..ultimately ensnared by MMRN as IPSS
FYC:
Agree with you, she is playing on his PTSD type symptoms from losing his mom and it is so disgusting I might hate her for it…except she DOESN’T KNOW SHE IS DOING IT! Fucking mid rangers…..lol
You understand it.
“You understand it.”
HG, not sure your comment is in reference to how one deals with loss, but from my experience people react in many different ways. My best friend lost her mother at age 12 and while she understood it (she fought cancer for two years before her death) it took some time to process and accept her loss. Even post-acceptance, her loss still seemed to revisit her at holidays and special occasions in life because they had been very close and were both empaths and she would have wanted her there. Another person I knew at age 13 lost his older sister (15) in a drunk driving accident (she had gone to a party with a couple of teenage friends and all got drunk, and coming home speeding, ran into a tree). That loss was totally unanticipated and really wrecked the whole family and all those who knew and loved her. I think unanticipated loss is much harder to process. I have not researched that though. I offered my earlier comments here because I had read some time ago that our memory encoding is emotionally re-experienced at the time of its encoding, not as an adult processing of the memory at a later date and I thought that might be a relevant point for consideration.
SDE, thank you for sharing your experience. I am sorry for your loss and your later ensnarement and the PTSD you suffered. I think one of the toughest parts about understanding all of this at a later date, is the loss of precious life/time on things we did not understand and struggled with blindly. Midrangers are so insidious and their manipulations create so much pain for those near them. I feel sorry for Harry and hope he finds HG.
Supernova DE,
My father died when I was seven in the early 70’s. There are parts of my “being” that never were and never will be. I think we all have parts of ourselves that are unrealized.
You really called it, HG. I never really felt 100% sure, though I did think you were right of course- until I saw the interview you put up in the previous post. Amazing that she’s done this and so quickly. The thing I kept thinking was how she would have done things if she had a real issue and were not a narcissist…
For example maybe taking a break from the job and alluding to being ready to face things again in the near future. Coming up with productive mutually beneficial solutions. Saying some positive things to counteract the negative, making empathic assertions of positivity even toward perceived adversity. Taking responsibility. Saying supportive things about how great Harry is in his role and how he will continue to do great things for people. Overall I think empaths will make automatic rationalizations toward the positive even when under stress or making a complaint.
It does look to me like she will go down in flames though, I wonder. Too bad she’s taking Harry along, he really doesn’t deserve it. And what about the baby, ugh. Children in the middle turns into a mess. They get lost to either narcissism (a real loss) themselves or just the fallout or confusion and misinformation.
Indeed, NB.
Nunya biz
Nice to see you. I’d ask where you’ve been but like your name says………
Lol NA, still following along some obv : )
Nice to see you!
In that photo, Harry appears to be in a state of cognitive dissonance, and M appears to me to be looking at Harry with disapproval. She was a horrible actress. Not even the caliber of actor they use for the Lifetime Movies…
I agree with Lisa, she will complain that Harry ruined her life and career….
Sharing these articles to as many news people is key. Somehow it has to make its way back to Harry.
HG, I believe Prince Harry is unconsciously projecting onto Meghan what he couldn’t do for his mother … which is to save her from Royal scrutiny and the media.
If he can save Meghan then he subconsciously saves his mother by preventing it from happening again. He is trying to fix his childhood wound and possibly rewrite history by changing the narrative
I found MM to be very disengenuous and phony in her interview. It all seemed so scripted and contrite. Her narcissistic traits are clear as day.
I agree with you.
Does anybody know where I can watch the interview? I was asleep when it aired last night.
MB, I googled this extensively and I can’t find it. Please tell me if you’ve found a link. It seems the Brits have a 28 day notice from the broadcasting company where they can stream it, but we can’t access it here in the US!!! Honestly, maybe it’s better as I’m not sure I can stomach seeing Harry’s face…..
I actually just watched the Panorama Diana interview, I was in 8th grade when it originally aired….wow. I was worried after the first of this series that Diana was a narc, and that I had missed it somehow. But obviously not so after being empowered with knowledge from HG and reading the clues. Seriously, talking about post partum depression in the 90s……..!!!brave ass woman
HG please do an empath analysis on Diana as part of this series, I think it would help all of us as a point of contrast, especially if she is a Super (as we have all had a hard time with that concept)
Supernova DE, I haven’t been able to find the interview online. I’m going to see if it’s available on demand with my YT TV subscription service. (I should say, my husband’s YouTube TV. I have no idea how to work it!)
I would like to see the Diana interview you referenced. Is it on Netflix?
I googled Princess Diana Panorama interview. There was a link to the full interview (54min) that had been posted to a public Facebook page.
UTUBE
Punch in MEGEAN AND HARRY’s AFRICAN JOURNEY.
Thank you Mary! I found it.
Hey
Did you find it MB?
Yes. YouTube.
HG,
You’ll be interested to learn that a framed photo of Meghan and Harry was removed from the table of family photos! Please see here: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2019/10/framed-photo-of-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-removed-from-buckingham-palace.html
Once again a very insightful read and the article above only serves as further proof.
I agree.
Harry doesnt even look like Harry in that picture. He looks emotionless…like just his shell is there
I agree – he was the happiest care free guy when he was in the forces And the press attention hasn’t changed so why so sad now?
Devaluation.
I know what he feels like. What a shame poor guy .
Dearest HG: I doubt if William likes change from his brother. People rarely embrace change, especially quick change, whether or not the change is deemed good or not, from my experience. I am sure he prefers his brother more as before, the happy go lucky Spare. The good old days. And the pace of the change in his brother’s life is surely even more irritating and alarming to Prince William, who probably called most of the shots with a more compliant younger brother. And William is often aided by his wife Katie, who is no shrinking violet either, and Duchess Kate was the female most in demand by the pubic. And all of this has changed for both William and Katie, rather abruptly. BAM! I doubt if Will and Kate like this fact, whether or not this change of media spotlight away from them, and towards the Spare Harry and his new wife and now new child, is good or bad overall. And Meghan is prettier than Katie. Uh oh…Boom! William probably gave his brother relatively good advice in the past and his brother happily went along with it all. How pleasant. Change came. Perhaps some good change and some bad change according to all involved. Thank you very much also for reminding me of the NOW moment in Narcissism. So extremely important to remember and understand. It does clear up for me why Meghan is moving so swiftly in establishing her place within her new dynamic, and it explains so much to me about Meghan`s swiftly growing relationship with the media in many ways. And her constant vocality. HG, I would advise her to slow down a bit, if I were her counselor, after listening to your brilliantly laid out explanations. This article is an extremely clear and insightful read. I do feel some worry for Meghan as I read it. Alarm bells are ringing in my mind. It seems to me that she is her own counselor, and at that level of power and influence, including her fuel needs, she could easily make a few mistakes that could be very costly and unwise for herself, like Diana made mistakes for herself, even with counsel, and Diana admitted that she followed some bad counsel at times, unfortunately for herself. But, your insight is amazing and extremely substantive: Meghan will not see her magical thinking and she will not notice when her instincts miss the mark. And of course she will be unaware of her blind spots. I need to call Meghan right now on her Emergency line! However, one thing puzzles me about both the late Diana and now Meghan. Why the attempt, from both of them, to garner so much support from the public, instead of charming their immediate family members? What is their thinking? Diana and Meghan remind me of each other in their behaviour. Or, am I not understanding that it is part of their royal duty to constantly stir up public involvement with the days and lives of the Monarchy, or something like that?
It is facade management.
Dearest HG: Of course. Wow. Thank you.
What about Charles and his influence on Harry? I understand from HG analysis that the Crown Prince is a narcissist as well, and from what I’ve read I learnt Harry has always been closer to his father than to his mom (who preferred William). So is it a safe assumption that Harry grew up being influenced by a narcissistic father?
Another dimension that interests me a lot is the relationship between Charles and Camilla. I’ve always considered it to be one of the greatest true love stories ever, but isn’t it just a narcissistic relationship where Camilla is the perfect empath playing by the rules?
Influenced yes, but there was either no genetic predisposition to wards narcissism or if there was, there was not a sufficient lack of control environment during his formative years. Remember, Diana had significant influence and also there was the influence of William and Harry´s nanny, Tiggy Legg-Bourke (who also went to the same finishing school as Diana, Institut Alpin Videmanette.
HG – I may have missed the discussion – what is your view on Diana being a narcissist?
Em from ages ago I seem to recall there was much speculation re Dianna being BPD. I’m wondering whether she was SE as she certainly has some strong N and E traits. What are your thoughts?
Ooh possibly. Was observing MM and then recalled Diana’s fake tears, manipulation of the press and public and pity plays and IPSS s that she could be or those traits were just brought out in her
Some are so difficult to decipher Em. Not sure whether you’re British or not but I would not have worked out that Sheridan Smith was an N. HG confirmed it.
That said I rarely watch TV and don’t follow celebrities which makes it harder. I have become more interested now with all HG’s articles. I largely watch things with my N spotting head on now.
Yes British and I watch things with that in mind too. Sheridan Smith, interesting.
Diana was not a N ,Charles is
MM s performance reminded me so much of Dianna that I just for a moment thought – Dianna with all her manipulations of the public and press and her pity plays could have been a N too.
Smart,I never thought about it that way.goid observation
Em: She reminded you of Diana because she copied the Panorama interview: words and facial expressions. Diana was sincere, even if she was barking; her narc traits didn’t stop her loving the boys and initially, thinking she could love Charles. MM has that hollow core. Her attempts to act maternal around Archie would be funny if it weren’t so tragic for the baby.
I would guess that Camilla is a N also (stunning lack of empathy on numerous accounts). I suspect both are unaware.
HG are both Charles and Camilla Ns?
Indeed.
If C&C are both Ns, where do they get their fuel from? Secondary sources? Or can they fuel each another?
From their fuel matrices which includes one another.
HG what makes an N chose another N as a primary?
Pursuit of the Prime Aims.
Okay. helpful. thanks
My inlaws are both Narcs its. a comedy watching them sometimes .I try and avoid no contact with both of them. 6 months already .
Thank you for the confirmation, HG.
You are welcome.
HG are Will and Kate emapthic verging on the normal? but not empaths? hence they don’t become embroiled like an N or an E would.
Correct.
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much HG! I feel so happy right now. Everything you’re teaching us is all clicking into place. It’s so helpful.
You’re so helpful and clearly a very intelligent man. I remain perplexed as to how so intelligent but very grateful that you are.
I’m also happy that Kate and Will are exactly that. It also serves as an excellent example where an N has managed to produce non N children.
You are welcome.
Interestingly, I thought of my own poor decisions during my marriage—I really wasn’t capable of making better ones with an absence of logical thinking. An epiphany by means of some abandonment of guilt’s burden. Never thought of it this way—thank you.
Indeed and you are welcome.
I think of this in reference to my lack of parenting—the plague of my guilt. If anyone else expresses something similar please point this piece out—I really never thought of it this way. It doesn’t absolve my burden entirely but sheds light on what was happening.
The plague of your guilt may be rooted in your up bringing, as I believe so was mine.
My mum has serious mental health/ victim complex issues and my father was selfish and inconsistent. As a result I was both pacified/controlled like a child and simultaneously parentifed as a source of emotional comfort for my emotionally unstable mother. It involved what I now know to be a degree of emotional incest and poor boundaries. Which is why I used to feel so guilty for asserting myself and for putting myself first in any way.
Witch: I see this uncomfortable discussion a lot regarding the children of Narcissists: That they have undergone at the very least, `emotional incest.` However, I have never heard what are some of the ramifications of emotional incest. I am not at all asking you personally for an explanation. I am suggesting that this arena is not discussed much beyond the phrase.
@princess
I have asked HG before if he felt his mother was emotionally incestious and he said no, she was very independent.
So maybe it depends on the school of narcissist.
I didn’t think emotional incest was a particularly popular term because of the “incest” part. But I imagine it would be a tool of the victim narcissist if we were to catergorise it.
I’m not sure whether or not my mother is a full blown narcissist. I have thought about it a lot.
As far as I’m aware she has been diagnosed with complex PTSD and depression. I have asked others diagnosed with PTSD about their behaviour and several have admitted to being agressive and taking their problems out on their loved ones. So it’s quite confusing.
I’m certain she is highly narcissistic in certain ways.
If im honest I’m not sure if I really want to know, because it would mean I was never really loved and I’d rather protect myself from knowing that.
I have stopped speaking to my mother because although she eventually, (with a lot of work on my part) started to respect some of my boundaries, I’ve lost the will to keep trying.
But if I allowed my mother her way I’m sure she would still be calling me 5 times a day and would expect us to share most aspects of our personal lives with one another.
Witch: Regarding emotional incest: Yes, of course. It would depend on the particular type of Narcissistic leanings. But, there are boundary issues such as you stated: `But if I allowed my mother her way I’m sure she would still be calling me 5 times a day and would expect us to share most aspects of our personal lives with one another.` Yes, it is all rather complex. Growing up, my mother had a very charming and attractive friend with a teenage daughter of my age. And my mother`s friend had the most incredible boundary issues with her daughter, because I saw some of it and her daughter would mention certain shocking things to me. Later on, when my friend was allowed to date, the boundary issue spread and the daughter stopped bringing her dates home to meet her mother. You can guess why. I also caught the mother holding an item of my clothing once, and I will not elaborate, and I caught her listening in to a phone call between me and her daughter. I told my mom and my mom was very upset and starting seeing this friend of hers less and less. My mother finally dropped her completely because of identity theft. This woman used my parent`s data to purchase some real estate property and my dad figured it out that it was she who had done it, because of some of the more personal details on the mortgage application, that a regular identity thief would not know. And my parents confronted her and the friendship ended after that. Fortunately no monetary loss or credit damage happened to my family. But, my parents found out about this real estate matter somehow only by accident, I remember. The friend made a mistake somehow, and my family received some real estate paperwork, or something like that. Her daughter finally married and moved away and stayed away from her mother as much as possible, I heard from my mom. I liked the daughter, but I had to let it all go. For many years I wanted to contact the daughter, but after much thought, I became afraid of both the daughter as well as the mother, because the daughter learned a lot of bad things from her mom, and I did not exactly know where the mother stopped and the daughter began, in this particular instance. Her daughter was wonderful, but I had too much fear to maintain the friendship. It was all too much for me. I would say now that her mother was a Mid Ranger Somatic Narcississt. However, the schools and cadres are not my strength at all and are still extremely difficult for me to decipher, even after all this time, beyond extra broad brush strokes moving from a riotous lower Narcissist to an aware Greater Narcississt. There is so much more going on between and around those 2 categories, I know.
HG—I’ve been thinking. If I can get an upper lesser to do an Irish jig this week at either the Great Wall or in Thailand’s red light district can I have the malice thing at no cost if I provide footage? If I’m in the video what can I get? A free narc detector?
Sure. Put him through the Narc Detector first so I know he is an Upper Lesser and then if you does an Irish Jig on the Great Wall with accompanying music, the “Malice Thing” is yours.
No no—I’m sure he is a lesser. He is dumb as a rock, dances, is drunk, needs a Hawaiian shirt.. He is a fucking riot. I am the narc detector! Why must I supply the music? I’ll get him in the sex district for sure.
Excellent analysis HG. I so wish that a much wider audience i.e. the general public, could see and absorb what you are saying. The general naivety around the real motives and truth of this whole story is just so sad.
Nothing pee’s me off more than seeing someone of your kind, getting away with all of the evil shenanigan’s that we wise folk (with your help) have identified in MM.
Another wish is that someway, further down the line, more and more people wise up to little miss Markle’s antics and karma eventually explodes ‘grandiosely’ in her face!
I feel for Harry, as we all know his heart is with MM and he will feel the hurt 10x harder than anything MM will ever feel. Whether it be a future divorce or MM abandoning Harry, I just know that something is going to happen between the pair, at some point down the line.
And I for one can’t wait for reality to strike MM in the butt !!
Reality will not strike in her in the butt, MG as she operates within her reality, like all of our kind do and you operate within your reality, which all non-narcissists do. Your observations aside form this are accurate. Of course it is something which you and other readers can do to ensure this information reaches as wide an audience as possible and why I write the A Very Series to enable people to read about people that are known to them and then explaining why their behaviours are that of a narcissist, to make the link between the worlds. With the assistance of readers spreading this information everywhere they can, on more and more platforms, by sending it to news outlets and broadcasters, it will take a hold.
Thanks HG, and I will do my bit to spread the word to a wider audience.
ps – I still hold out hope that something strikes her in the butt… 😊
Ha ha.
I’m afraid she’ll provoke Harry until he cracks and kills the bitch, and then she’ll be the martyr she’s always wanted.
Yes, great article, HG. Everyone should learn about what’s really going on with MM.
Thank you Eloise.
Hello to everyone,
Mr Dymond is on Twitter (@JonnyDymond) and posted (a link to) his own article.
I have just thought that readers with a Twitter account could make him aware of what is really going on by answering his tweet and including a link to HG’s article(s) on this subject.
I saw the article he wrote on Twitter (The BBC page) It had about 30 comments and all of them were ripping him and the BBC to shreds. Not one single positive comment. I haven’t checked in a couple of hours. I want to post and tweet and retweet and have done so. It is AMAZING the number of people that see them with the hashtags I use. I absolutely love watching those stats. Having said that, I know I will not handle negative comments very well. I will be hurt personally. (Weakness of mine.)
I want to do my part and I believe with all my might in the work of HG Tudor. Have any of you experienced negativity when sharing his work and how have you dealt with it?
MB, I would deal with any negative comments in exactly the same manner thanks to HG. By using LT/ET.
You’ve stated what you want people to read. They have liked or not. If they haven’t liked it’s either because they cannot see or do not want to.
I really don’t take anything personally any more. LT completely dumbs down ET in any situation. Sometimes I need to take a huge breath and remind myself if the ET ever tries to take a hold. But it can try all it likes as logic always prevails.
Best of luck x
You are absolutely correct AS2016, LT has all kinds of usefulness beyond the narcissistic arena. I am learning to recognize ET more and more. I still take things personally, maybe having some negative comments will help me flex my LT muscles a bit!
MB,
I have seen the negative comments too. It is not surprising that Meghan’s Pity Play comparing her situation to Harry’s mother is working. Narcissists are good at deceiving people.
I understand that it must be hard for you to put up with negativity, especially if you are not used to criticism and aggression on a regular basis in real life. Could negative reactions to your tweets have any repercussions on any important area of your life (e.g. your job)? If not, I would ignore them. Attacking someone for writing a respectful comment says a lot about them, not you. If receiving negative feedback would be too triggering for you, I would leave it.
To feel safe, you can create a twt account with a fake name. (I thought about doing it myself, I doubt that people would take me seriously without ‘Followers’. I have heard this was important.)
When sharing HG’s articles on forums, most people said their experience was just like HG described it in his articles. They were very grateful to have found his work.
The very few with a negative response were people who seemed to feel exposed by uncomfortable truths. They must be narcissists or highly narcissistic. I can identify my own narcissistic behaviours. I know I have to deal with them and change them. It does not come to my mind to attack HG or “the messenger” for posting a link to his articles.
If I see a *pattern* such as comments mentioning HG being deleted, first I raise a complaint to the admin. If they gaslight me and want me to engage in a circular conversation, I leave. I do not want to waste my time and energy on them.
First class comment founded on logic.
Thank you, HG
E.B. Once you send out the name HG Tudor to these sites, you are doing a great job. It leaves an imprint on various people’s minds, even if his name stays up for just a millisecond, or longer. Then, people will also see the name HG Tudor somewhere else. And then even somewhere else. The mind becomes curious at some point, when quantum mass hits, and the mind seriously asks, Who is this HG Tudor person? And not always, because one finds out what he is all about initially, but also just from constantly running into his name, as well. So everything you have done is working, I know this because this happened to me from seeing his name here and there and finally I looked him up out of my own curiosity to see for myself what HG Tudor was about, and I searched and first found him on an interview, with an excellent male host, and I was very impressed, and then I moved on to his Knowing the Narcissist channel on youtube, and I stayed there for months and then I made it over here on Narcsite. So constantly alerting people to his name works as the name itself grows in momentum, as well, even if they do not happen to always read the article, or if something is taking down. Once the name is seen, it cannot be unseen! As long as the name stays up even for a second, someone will see it there, And then see it elsewhere, over time, and finally, Boom! Curiosity takes hold, and they look him up for themselves. And he delivers. That’s how it happened with me, E.B. Just from bumping constantly into the name.
PSE,
Thank you so much for taking the time to write about this subject. After reading your comment, I created an account, answered Mr Dymond’s tweet and retweeted the article on my profile. Let’s see if this calls the attention of those in contact with Harry.
I cannot stand when these female narcs like Markle play the victim and get away with it. They must be exposed!
Thank you E.B. I’ve just started dipping my toes in the Twitter waters. Of course I’m on there as my alter ego, MB, the fun-loving glitter unicorn. The longer you stay and the more you post and interact with others’ posts, you obtain followers. It happens organically like SEO, not overnight. I’m sure that’s why people don’t take you as seriously because they know you’re new or not very active.
I am definitely NOT used to criticism and aggression in my life except from myself. I don’t need it from the outside too! I’ll see how it goes. I know how to do No Contact and I can ignore toxicity like a m’fer now if the need arises. HG is organically building my armor over time too. I find that a shell is beginning to grow and protect my gooey innards, but it is still very thin.
MB,
My first tweet today and I have already attracted an aggressive woman! Haha I knew that it would happen in this case. What she said is ridiculous. She seems to be reading these comments too.
re “I am definitely NOT used to criticism and aggression in my life except from myself. I don’t need it from the outside too!”
Unfortunately, we cannot choose how to be treated by others. We can only control ourselves and our minds, not other people.
I am glad that you do not have to put up with gratuitous aggression in your daily life. Last Tuesday I experienced it from a group of five. I ignore them. I know that the majority of the readers of this blog can lead a normal life.
MB—this is in reference to negativity sharing HG’s work. Absolutely. I was the recipient of passive aggressive behavior by someone in the “narcissist recovery circuit” after suggesting his work with much praise. (HG was made aware) The therapist who showed me a coercion chart to help me—similar because she felt she was the cat’s meow.. Interestingly a doctor friend and former colleague who didn’t see my total decline but pieces of it over the years said, “Ultimately there has been a net gain and there is my answer.” Does he think he’s the cat’s meow? Yes. Is he logical enough not to be a dick? Yes. Was he ensnared similarly—his life was turned upside down and he doesn’t know why. There is the key—people drink when they are thirsty as fuck. Everyone’s view of their own ass kicking is theirs and I will plant the work when appropriate while not being pushy because it was done for me. Hope your day was good! Mine is just starting! 💕💕
i can’t believe there are people working for the royal family who can finde out if your grand grandmother played an illegal poker game 150 years ago, or protect the prince from teen who wants a selfi, but no body is here to make sure he is in good mental health, or spot potential toxic people in his surounding.
Liza: The Firm over all is very smart. They have alternate plans. They know the pros and cons. They got their modern marriage. They got the child Archie. And any other child that comes along to strengthen the line. Women are more expendable in these power games. Especially when the women are commoners and there’s not another monarchy or powerful family protecting the women, that the Monarchy has to be wary of offending. However, anyone can make a mistake. I am staying tuned.
is a modern mariage and a childe (both possible with a healthy person) really worth the losse of their childe’s happines and even a possible degradation of his mental health? they may be able to dispose of Meghan and save the image, but the damage Harry and the baby suffered and will continue to sufferer will remain.
Liza: Life choices: Happiness? Love? Wealth? Or Power? It would be nice to have all four and even more, right? Power is King for many people. Just like Cash is King for many people. Love is King for some people. etc, etc. One has to make choices. And one has to live with the consequences from the choices made. ~~The End.
PSE,
one has to mak choices, but it is easy to do it once and then desable your brain, you have to reevaluate your choices evrytime the situation updates.
let us say i’m romantic i chose love, but if i finde my self in a situation where the love i chosed, is toxic, it is totaly irresponsible to persiste just because once i chosed love, whenever you have knew data you must adjuste your choices, plus why chose exclusively one thing, you can strive for a balance, it demands more work but it is worth it.
the real problem is, humanity does not know when to cut the losses, imagine when you are in casino and you lost 100$, instead of accepting that you lost 100$ and get out, your brain convices you that if you just put 10 more dollars you will get back the 100$ lost, but in most cases you will just lose 110$ and the cercle continue , now you have lost 110$ and you are determined to get them, back. and you will end up indebted.
as the situation is right now the priority is to make sure the baby and Harry are safe, who cars if you lose some millions on a divorce or a stain in a reputation.
Liza. I definitely have a problem cutting my losses, because I am/was inordinately stuck on a mantra called: Winners Never Quit. So I have to work on always being wary whenever I feel myself digging in when I should actually be retreating. I know it may sound unimportant, but I had a sort of a faceoff/standoff with a woman at a tea area recently, and I felt myself digging in (winners never quit, right?) and I caught myself and walked away. Anyway, at least I know I have this problem now. I never really understood I had this problem until I read HG`s article on the Asylum of the Grotesque and I saw myself as a Statue housed in there as an exhibit with a plague about me reading: Winners Never Quit. Regarding Archie. People have free choice to triage their values, whether it is is love or wealth or happiness or duty. I do not perceive my circumstances and feelings to be the same as people on that level. I am of the regular people in lifestyle, without any of the situations good or bad or advantaged or disadvantaged like Harry et al. I sort of worry about them just as much as they worry about me. I do say people care about some people’s happiness and not about others. I have no problem with it. If Harry really wants some good advice, he needs to contact HG privately and get squared away. HG will assist him on how to best grip up. Because Harry`s situation is quite complicated and on a world stage with a multitude of intertwined ramifications. HG is on a world class level. I could not advise Harry at all at that level that Harry is on by assuming he feels about things the way that I do. What are his personal goals. Do you know? The most I could do is bring Harry a coffee or tea or a stiff drink, whatever he needs, in the client waiting station, until HG summons him in to advise him and personally create a workable strategy for him. The way this world works, it is more likely that Meghan would contact HG before Harry could, if someone does not reach out to him or if he does not accidentally find out about HG somehow. She seems to be on social media more, and may feel like she is truly the victim and find HG herself somehow. Especially if she were drowning and realized that she was drowning. I am just staying tuned. These days, I appreciate more and more just being one of the little people, Liza. Less problems in a difficult time. And happiness is not guaranteed for anyone. One has to at some point by sheer force to determine to be happy or not. And even so, it is still difficult to pull off every hour of the day. Too much goes on. It is not easy. Try not to lose sleep over these people, if possible, ok. If you happen to be one of the regular people, this is the time to enjoy it. These are strange times. Like you told me, change what you can and let the rest work itself out.
PSE,
it is not just you the majority of peole are like that, juste try to make poses and observe the situation.
winners chose their battles that is why they win, if i have only horses and an army of men who can’t swin i will clearly not engage in a battleship.
Liza: I am not sure that that the saying is flawless, that you wrote. I feel that it is a bit of an oversimplification. HOWEVER, it is one of the best sayings I ever heard, and it is so much more intelligent and productive than the one that was programed into me called, Winners Never Quit. YOURS is so much better that you said here!: `Winners choose their battles that is why they win.`
PSE,
thank you, but unfortunatelly i know it on an intelectual level but i’m far from applying it.
most of the time, i’m driven by the intense fear to fail and desapoint my parents ( they do not guilt trip me or ayithing, they are both verry nice, my only problem is me).
Liza: Sometimes we have to take a little quiet time,and have a tea or a strawberry drink and start defining what we personally will determine to be a failure or an success in our life. We have been told, and we may have some notions, but we have to also evaluate what WE will determine to be a success or failure going forward and even rethink this at intervals. And thus not unnecessarily harm ourselves. And not just go along with the status quo that just may not apply to us, nor be reasonable or feasible despite our great efforts, during this era that we live, during any given year or decade. I think I am making an excellent suggestion. And a positive suggestion. I like it.
I love that Liza. ‘Winners chose their battles that is why they win’.
I’m sure that your parents wouldn’t feel disappointed especially as you say they’re good people. They love you and you have nothing to prove to them. Good parental only want their children to be happy.
@princess I gave into ET and let mum know that I’m planning a wedding with my gf and asked her if she would be coming.
Pree the response:
“Witch, we haven’t spoken for ages and right now I am busy with me so I don’t need this question. I feel you want me there.
All I want is that you are happy and for you to know that I care and love you still regardless of your sexuality.
It’s about you and not me. But know that I am not ashamed of you. ❤”
So yes, she’s a narcissist lmao!
What i find interesting here is that Harry has very quickly cast himself (and MM) down the path as an especially savaged victim. I know in a sense he was a victim in the past, with the loss of his mum as a child, but he has taken this to an extreme level as though it is in the here and now. yet i dont feel they have been particularly targeted over and above any other Royal. He believes the mirroring you refer to above HG and is building on that one thought to make an almighty over reaction very quickly coming to the state of mental vulnerability. I find this interesting as this resonates with myself a thought that i have been mulling over about my own relationship with the narcissist because a similar thing happened. When i met mine i was in a slightly vulnerable place. Left to my own devices i would have corrected my path and quickly got back into control of my life. However, i see now, that my victim status was over magnified (he would ‘rescue’ me) and I came to be living that victimised life, became someone i wasnt. I see it now for the huge control it had over me, in 8 years i stayed this ‘victim’. I know there is a lot written about the narcissist being able to target your weaknesses (not so much in your work but used generically on other sites) and didnt quite see how that manifested but see it clearly here. Not sure if i am making myself very understood but welcome your feedback HG.
Harry is a victim of the death of his mother when he was a young boy. He is a victim of a narcissist but does not know this. His status as a victim of the media (both with regard to the treatment and death of his mother and now (from his perspective) his wife means he is highly susceptible to
1. Reinforcing that victim status , but
2. Having his victim status hijacked by the narcissist for the purposes of control through Blame Shifting, Triangulation and other manipulations as I explained in the article.
I thought that too. What’s tragic is that whilst he absolutly is a victim, others will hijack that and use it as a tool to beat him with.
Is she middle mid HG or this revelation to follow?
I am guessing she is MMRN Somatic. She has a lot of pity plays Boo Hoo!
Pati—I watched the short clip. It’s making my brain really flex—she is very cute so someone that feels inviting, (she looks quite good with the extra pounds in my opinion), the emotional stuff seems real because it’s coming from my perspective. I guess I’ll be here awhile. In this thread or one the other day HG reminded that narcissists come in many forms.
The one obvious solution though is, that I would simply ignore the “stuff being said.”
It’s not good strategy to give more than a little F over what you can’t control—and it invites more banter from the press to play in their lion’s den. If I were someday famous I’m sure my haunts would come to surface. Ignore—don’t read it. They have security to manage the day to day. Is it really that hard? What is hard is being a no one in the South African city featured in the long video that my attention span had no interest in just now—that had over 300 murders in the past year with rampant rape. That is a hard life—poverty and crime and sexual violence. She doesn’t really “work.” She has a nanny. She can buy Jimmy Choo easily. How hard is it? How hard is it to marry a sensitive, reasonably attractive man, have a healthy baby, plentiful resources.. Her lack of “framing” her life is askew. Therein is the pity play. I am deeply embedded in my own amazement over my deceased father’s occasional emotional demonstrations. (Pity plays) There is no question that a man who behaved in the manner he did was a narcissist. HG doesn’t need to confirm it. It’s not easy to wade through and be logical about the whole picture coming from this side of the coin.
I agree with you totally, thank you sharing your experience Lorelei.
Which school of narcissist does she belong to? I’m thinking one of the mid ranges?
Where within Mid Range?
uper Mid Range?
Middle or upper.
I’m leaning more towards middle.
In fact, I’m going to re-read the other articles on her. I’m torn between middle and upper.
Jedi is still learning.
*goes off to re-read*
I agree middle/upper she seems to have some traits from each but also has an exceptionally large fuel matrix. I could certainly visualise MM becoming verbally aggressive towards Harry.
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No I think she’s middle mid—I would like to see HG clarify. She could have a more elaborate matrix of supports but seems content being more isolated with fewer inner circle parties. The fuel from the quantity of people that could have been in her “matrix” while acting (or now) was potentially there but a distant entity to her and not capitalized on in the way someone requiring “more”would have delved into. Her limited meandering into the world of others on a “personal” level seems to dilute the middle upper strategy instinctively deployed by some narcissists from my remedial view.
Lorelei, I cant believe that N dont love (they dont how I guess) but what about that beautiful adorable little boy Archie .( I keep thinking about the sit com in the 80’s Archie BunkerAll in the Family) lol , Anyways It hurts knowing she doesnt love him so sad. Thank god Harry and William took after their mom and are not Narcs.
Diana was a beautiful lady and is probably rolling in her grave.
What’s sad is that my children’s father view his own kids as appliances. They will unlikely ever know this.
Correct.
Mine will never know either it would devastate them . What a shame 😑
It would devastate them Pati—it’s why we let them do their damage independently and we keep our mouths clamped mostly.
Yes that’s exactly what I am doing the 3 older ones are adults ,I have a little one still.. My older son has a girlfriend . He sees that her parents have a healthy relationship, and sees that his parents dont. He doesn’t know why .my mouth is shut.
Pati—the woman I am on holiday with divorced last year. The stuff I’m aware of is absolutely a story of devaluation on a grand scale and yet narcissism eludes her. “He’s a loving dad.” (“Does he see the girls?”—Rarely is what she says)
I won’t go on. People believe what they must or do in order to get by. I can’t prescribe anyone’s path, nor can they for me. My son will know who teaches him impeccable manners, golf, culture. It’s not his dad. My daughters want to be with me thank goodness. The oldest knows without me saying that their father’s girlfriend is a stones throw from Motel 6 material. (I did have an interlude in one once—nothing else was nearby!)
Omg 🤷🏼♀️
Okay I’m still stumped between upper and middle, even after re-reading all 4 articles.
HG grace us with your wisdom.
Middle Midrange, MM, just like her initials. Maybe we should shorten that to M?
Haha FYC!
She’s like an M&M. Milk chocolate on the outside and nuts on the inside, all wrapped in a candy coated shell.
NA, I sure do like the green peanut M&Ms. They are my favorite!
MMMM
That’s a lorra lorra Ms
ThePolicyOfTruth
Shes middle. Somatic. As to level? Again I’d say Middle. Intelligent enough to not be like my Lower Middle Mum. She is intelligent but the banana stunt really showed that she wasnt intelligent enough.
We are so lucky HG to know about you and have this kind of insight through you. The irony is that Harry probably thought that Meghan being in the public eye and her extreme outer confidence , she was someone that could deal with the pressures of the media glare, of course her being a narcissist it’s nothing to do with that but on face value you’ve got the confident modern woman public speaking actress , crumbling under the glare , while the ordinary girl Kate quietly coped. It’s so sad that people don’t understand . I think Meghan truly believes she’s going to rewrite the rules of the British monarchy , she will not win that game. Diana made a huge impact and did influence a lot of change but in the end she couldn’t beat the system. If there is a divorce down the line Harry will blame The Job and The Media but she will continue to try and get every bit of fame attention and coverage as possible even after divorce and whine on for years how marrying him ruined her life and how she could have been an A list actress bla bla. She may in the future become quite a disliked public figure.
Accurate, save the last sentence, she already has achieved that status.
HG
Ha ha!
However, I have friends who are actively posting about how shes been ‘done wrong’ by MSM. These are intelligent people too.
The British MSM might be a bunch of cunts but we largely left that kind of abhorrent behaviour back in the 70s. They are not racist.
If far rather we focus on the utterly entrenched view that women are unintelligent, largely useless, decorative and only have a worth if we look nice in a bikini on Love Island actually
Institutional sexism is far more moribund than racism ever is. Right now.
Any actress who pulled the cr@p she’s done would either be replaced, or, if she’s powerful enough to avoid that, quietly sabotaged by the techies.
She’s not only abusive to her own staff, she’s even thrown hot tea at other people’s staff. That’s the equivalent of assaulting someone else’s dresser or agent.
She’s refused to wear the appropriate costumes for her character.
She’s refused to say the lines written for her character.
She has tried to upstage leads (the Queen, her own husband), when she is merely a supporting character.
Even a union actress could be fired for these things. And if not, watch out for the techies. I wonder if Marla Maples or the woman who replaced Gabby/Bobbi in “City of Angels” found out what was done to them….
Violetta
I know this comment was from a while back but fucking God!
Throwing hot tea at people? It really does make you wonder what happens behind closed doors.